irclog2html for #elive on 20060128

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`00:06.06`	`Elive_user2`	`anyone know how to make the desktop pager wrap when you use SHIFT\|ALT+Left Arrow?`
`00:06.53`	`sinplomo`	`Elive_user2, try alt + shit + arrow`
`00:07.20`	`Elive_user2`	`Right, that's what I'm using; it doesn't wrap around.`
`00:07.34`	`Elive_user2`	`When I get to the leftmost window, I want to hit alt+shift+left and have it go to the rightmost window.`
`00:07.35`	`sinplomo`	`ups`
`00:07.39`	`sinplomo`	`s/shit/shift`
`00:07.40`	`sinplomo`	`lol`
`00:08.15`	`sinplomo`	`Elive_user2, using e16 ?`
`00:08.27`	`Elive_user2`	`No, using e17`
`00:08.34`	`Elive_user2`	`E16 wraps fine for me.`
`00:08.51`	`sinplomo`	`sorry, I use e16`
`00:09.22`	`Elive_user2`	`e16 is a great WM! but I'm ready for some e17 action`
`00:19.27`	`sinplomo`	`I thinks I hasn't been implemented in E17 yet`
`00:19.36`	`Mutacion`	`callate w :P`
`00:19.38`	`sinplomo`	`Elive_user2, ask in #e for more details :)`
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`00:25.13`	`*** topic/#elive is Need Help? http://elivecd.org/gb/Help/Help \|\| Open your mind with elive-essence: "xmms http://64.236.34.4:80/stream/1035" \|\| Check #e #e.fr #e.es #e.de #e.it Enlightenment channels \|\| Any person has the graphical system slow after 1 or 2 day's working on e17 to Elive BETA ?`
`00:27.47`	`roxville`	`ok, i'm off to the gig... see you guys later/tomorrow :)`
`00:29.23`	`Mutacion`	`bai bai rox`
`00:29.24`	`Mutacion`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`01:36.42`	`loell`	`firefox 1.5 in 0.4?`
`01:37.11`	`Thanatermesis`	`nope`
`01:37.29`	`loell`	`ok, is it performance reason?`
`01:37.45`	`Thanatermesis`	`principally because the compatibility with the system`
`01:37.53`	`loell`	`i c..`
`01:37.59`	`Thanatermesis`	`Elive is based (and works on) a debian ETCH`
`01:38.25`	`Thanatermesis`	`if i put the firefox 1.5 package from experimental or SID (if exist), i can be posible to broke compatibilites`
`01:38.44`	`Thanatermesis`	`packages with dependencies broken, conflicts between packges... non beautifull things :)`
`01:39.00`	`loell`	`ok..`
`01:39.10`	`loell`	`current will do good anyway..`
`01:39.44`	`Thanatermesis`	`in any case you can be posible to make any thing`
`01:40.10`	`Thanatermesis`	`you can be posible to uninstall firefox and install the firefox of the web page, or try a package.. any thing, you are on linux :)`
`01:40.31`	`Thanatermesis`	`look the lot of reverse dependencies: apt-cache rdepends mozilla-firefox`
`01:41.13`	`loell`	`another question, will it affect my system if i change apt fromm testing to stable?`
`01:42.02`	`Thanatermesis`	`downgrade the system ?`
`01:42.22`	`loell`	`yes? is it possible?`
`01:43.13`	`loell`	`no wierd things will happen?`
`01:43.28`	`Thanatermesis`	`hehe, im not sure`
`01:43.37`	`Thanatermesis`	`what you want exactly ? a stable system ?`
`01:43.46`	`loell`	`ok, i better not touch it..`
`01:44.04`	`Thanatermesis`	`i think to its better... in any case, if you found a bug... you only need to report me and im fix it :)`
`01:44.26`	`loell`	`ok thanks..`
`01:44.55`	`Thanatermesis`	`we want a stable system, but also new... and ETCH is very usefull, not very bugs on it, very stable`
`01:45.13`	`loell`	`ok and will there be a forum site soon for elive?`
`01:45.39`	`Thanatermesis`	`a new page are created`
`01:45.39`	`loell`	`irc is good but forum base is kinda better..`
`01:45.43`	`Thanatermesis`	`http://wiki.elivecd.org`
`01:45.56`	`Thanatermesis`	`the next soon release is... 1 or 2 weeks maximum`
`01:46.20`	`Thanatermesis`	`we needs to close the old forum in some time`
`01:46.36`	`loell`	`yeah, i will try it as it is release soon..`
`01:48.25`	`loell`	`also, is it possible in elive to pop something in desktop, when a memory card reader is inserted?`
`01:49.02`	`egrub`	`Thanatermesis: Este Linux-Libc-Headers no hay para 2.6.14`
`01:49.08`	`Thanatermesis`	`yeah`
`01:49.18`	`egrub`	`Thanatermesis: as? que no bajar? este...`
`01:49.24`	`Thanatermesis`	`loell this is added on the next release, an automater thing, with questions`
`01:49.35`	`loell`	`oh wow..`
`01:49.36`	`Thanatermesis`	`you can posible include BOOT CD'S OF WINDOWS !`
`01:49.39`	`Thanatermesis`	`hehehee`
`01:50.04`	`Thanatermesis`	`make a look, is fun, hehe http://wiki.elivecd.org/es/79`
`01:51.18`	`Thanatermesis`	`egrub hay que seguir el manual exactamente como lo dicen, si cambias de versiones de las cosas tendras problemas... hazlo todo exactamente como lo dicen y cuando lo tengas, entonces te pones a probar otras cosas y otras versiones ;)`
`01:51.29`	`egrub`	`Bah...`
`01:52.27`	`loell`	`and i really want my webcam to work on elive, hope you could include the spca5xx 20060101-1 driver ;)`
`01:52.33`	`egrub`	`Thanatermesis: lo bajo el LFS torrent`
`01:52.36`	`egrub`	`Listo.`
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`01:53.40`	`Thanatermesis`	`loell yeah, its included, thanks to sinplomo ;) you only need to "apt-cache search spca" for install the driver for kernel of the installation (installed and liveCD has diferents kenrels)`
`01:54.03`	`sinplomo`	`:)`
`01:54.16`	`Thanatermesis`	`spca5xx-modules-2.6.12 - spca5xx modules for Linux (kernel 2.6.12)`
`01:54.20`	`Thanatermesis`	`yeah, confirmed ;)`
`01:54.52`	`loell`	`yes.. thank you...`
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`01:58.18`	`loell`	`winxp on elive is a good show off :) , other distros might raise their eyebrows :)`
`01:59.18`	`loell`	`distrowatch, should better be prepared to be stormed... hehe..`
`02:00.12`	`Thanatermesis`	`hehehe`
`02:01.33`	`ElonGlasb`	`Thanatermesis I installed Beta 0.4 on my laptop Works like a charm, got gtkam working but only with eterm and su`
`02:02.07`	`ElonGlasb`	`One question why it doesn't ask for rootpasword?`
`02:03.38`	`Thanatermesis`	`ElonGlasb the password thing is just a bug on the beta, actually fixed`
`02:03.48`	`Thanatermesis`	`mmmh, not works on "user" mode, correct ?`
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`02:04.00`	`ElonGlasb`	`Ah I was worrying can I fix it still?`
`02:04.17`	`Thanatermesis`	`before to try to fix the problem, look what exactly you make... for then, i fix the problem for the release`
`02:04.41`	`ElonGlasb`	`Ah ok.`
`02:04.53`	`Thanatermesis`	`yes, edit your .bashrc file and delete the line to contains "sudo"`
`02:05.51`	`ElonGlasb`	`thanks`
`02:07.07`	`Thanatermesis`	`ok, let me try to search for the gtkcam thing...`
`02:08.00`	`Thanatermesis`	`ElonGlasb do you know the device to it uses ? /dev/... ?`
`02:09.25`	`ElonGlasb`	`It uses the usb`
`02:09.42`	`ElonGlasb`	`moment`
`02:10.20`	`Thanatermesis`	`do you know another gphoto2 application to use the same way for try if also don't works on user mode ? (i think to gthumb has this)`
`02:11.32`	`ElonGlasb`	`Hmm I don't know directly just know that it works on Kanotix in user mode`
`02:11.36`	`Thanatermesis`	`ElonGlasb ok, try this`
`02:11.38`	`Thanatermesis`	`from root:`
`02:11.46`	`Thanatermesis`	`adduser yourusername camera`
`02:11.55`	`Thanatermesis`	`i think to its only this type of permissions the problem`
`02:12.08`	`Thanatermesis`	`and after, open a new terminal of normal user and launch gtkam`
`02:13.56`	`ElonGlasb`	`Hmm, no doesn't detect`
`02:14.10`	`Thanatermesis`	`ok, you can posible to reboot ?`
`02:14.27`	`ElonGlasb`	`Yes can do seeya`
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`02:18.54`	`ElonGlasb`	`Yep did the trick now gtkam works as normal user`
`02:20.19`	`Thanatermesis`	`mmmh`
`02:20.30`	`Thanatermesis`	`perfect, ok, next step :)`
`02:20.43`	`Thanatermesis`	`open a terminal with a normal user and launch "lshal --monitor"`
`02:21.05`	`Thanatermesis`	`if you has fixed the ivman bug on the beta, you look a lot of lines, if not, you has a error message (10 lines)`
`02:23.00`	`ElonGlasb`	`It says: Couldn' obtain list of devices (5 lines)`
`02:23.31`	`Thanatermesis`	`ouch`
`02:23.35`	`ElonGlasb`	`Do you want the whole error posted?`
`02:23.38`	`Thanatermesis`	`you don't has fixed it`
`02:23.39`	`Thanatermesis`	`no no`
`02:23.49`	`Thanatermesis`	`mmmh, launch with root:`
`02:23.55`	`Thanatermesis`	`scite /etc/default/hal`
`02:24.16`	`Thanatermesis`	`and in the last line, just say:`
`02:24.29`	`Thanatermesis`	`DAEMON_OPTS=`
`02:25.03`	`Thanatermesis`	`after this, we can make a thing for to the camera are detected automatically and launched the good application for it ;)`
`02:25.13`	`Thanatermesis`	`(i add this feature for the release)`
`02:25.15`	`ElonGlasb`	`so delete --drop privileges`
`02:25.19`	`Thanatermesis`	`yes`
`02:26.56`	`ElonGlasb`	`but when i repeat "lshal --monitor" I still get the same error`
`02:27.03`	`Thanatermesis`	`yes`
`02:27.28`	`Thanatermesis`	`this is because you need to restart the daemons, i don't know why, but you need a total reboot of the machine, only the daemon restarting don't works`
`02:27.35`	`Thanatermesis`	`sorry, you need to reboot again, hehe`
`02:27.47`	`ElonGlasb`	`Ah ok, seeya`
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`02:32.11`	`Thanatermesis`	`ok, you have now "lshal --monitor" working, yes ?`
`02:32.13`	`ElonGlasb`	`Yep I got a lot off lines now`
`02:32.19`	`Thanatermesis`	`perfect`
`02:32.37`	`Thanatermesis`	`ok, what is the number of devices to show in the lasts lines ?`
`02:32.45`	`Thanatermesis`	`Dumped 47 device(s) from the Global Device List:`
`02:33.08`	`ElonGlasb`	`Dumped 34 devices`
`02:33.27`	`Thanatermesis`	`ok`
`02:33.51`	`Thanatermesis`	`continue with this terminal open, running lshal.. then connect the camera, look if this number change or if you look a "flood" of activity`
`02:34.37`	`ElonGlasb`	`Now it dumped 36 device(s)`
`02:35.27`	`Thanatermesis`	`ok, perfect`
`02:35.32`	`Thanatermesis`	`wait a second`
`02:35.50`	`Thanatermesis`	`ok, this is a easy mode...`
`02:35.59`	`Thanatermesis`	`go to /tmp/ directory`
`02:36.08`	`Thanatermesis`	`disconnect the camera and wait 5 seconds`
`02:36.15`	`Thanatermesis`	`then, launch this:`
`02:36.26`	`Thanatermesis`	`lshal > logs-1`
`02:36.47`	`Thanatermesis`	`after, plug the camera, wait 5 seconds and type this:`
`02:36.54`	`Thanatermesis`	`lshal > logs-2`
`02:37.13`	`Thanatermesis`	`after, type "diff logs-1 logs-2 > logs-3"`
`02:37.35`	`Thanatermesis`	`and paste me all the contents of logs-3 in www.pastebin.com`
`02:39.06`	`ElonGlasb`	`Uhm this last thing past in How do you mean?`
`02:39.38`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt x en es m this last thing past in How do you mean?`
`02:40.09`	`ElonGlasb`	`Well I mean where is this log`
`02:40.10`	`Thanatermesis`	`mmh, send me the file "logs-3" if you can posible to send via IRC or if not, paste the lines on www.pastebin.com`
`02:40.56`	`Thanatermesis`	`this files of "logs-x" is you to create it with this commands, are located on /tmp`
`02:41.04`	`ElonGlasb`	`Ah ok found it`
`02:44.18`	`ElonGlasb`	`Ok I opened www.pastebin.com How to past this file (sorry not convenienced with this)`
`02:44.56`	`Thanatermesis`	`you has opened the log-3 file with "scite", no ?`
`02:45.29`	`ElonGlasb`	`Yes ok`
`02:45.35`	`Thanatermesis`	`ok, select all the text with the mouse, go to the page, and paste it directly on it with the "middle button" of the mouse`
`02:46.43`	`ElonGlasb`	`Doesn't work?`
`02:47.05`	`Thanatermesis`	`you paste on the "big rectangle" ?`
`02:48.03`	`ElonGlasb`	`Yes but it doesn't show up paste or something`
`02:48.38`	`Thanatermesis`	`select the text with the mouse, without release, after to select, release, and then, go to the page (big rectangle) and click on it in the middle button of the mouse`
`02:48.49`	`Thanatermesis`	`i have just tested in scite and it works for me`
`02:49.43`	`loell`	`why not control c and cont v? hehehe to speed this up..`
`02:49.50`	`Thanatermesis`	`if not works, try "control + a" (select All), "control + c" (copy), and "control + v" (paste)`
`02:49.56`	`Thanatermesis`	`yeah, its the same`
`02:50.08`	`Thanatermesis`	`just is more fast only with the mouse way :)`
`02:50.44`	`loell`	`;)`
`02:51.31`	`ElonGlasb`	`Ok maybe I should not open it with a browser`
`02:52.03`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt x en fr Ok maybe I should not open it with a browser`
`02:52.18`	`Thanatermesis`	`yes, you need to enter in this web page`
`02:52.38`	`Thanatermesis`	`ok ElonGlasb, we try another more easy thing ;)`
`02:52.45`	`Thanatermesis`	`enter in the channel #flood`
`02:54.10`	`loell`	`ElonGlasb whats taking you so long :) i'm, also eager to see the output :) :)`
`03:05.58`	`ElonGlasb`	`Well It should be reached now I hope`
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`03:06.46`	`Thanatermesis`	`is sent ?`
`03:07.44`	`Elive_user3`	`que ago aca`
`03:07.50`	`ElonGlasb`	`No it returned SMTP error`
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`03:07.55`	`Thanatermesis`	`lol`
`03:08.05`	`Thanatermesis`	`ElonGlasb hum`
`03:08.11`	`Thanatermesis`	`sinplomo your uploader works ?`
`03:08.19`	`ElonGlasb`	`Will try again`
`03:09.01`	`Thanatermesis`	`wait`
`03:09.11`	`Thanatermesis`	`you have created the file (launched the commands) with root ?`
`03:09.37`	`ElonGlasb`	`No normal user`
`03:09.55`	`Thanatermesis`	`and how is called the file exactly ? "logs-3" and its on /tmp ?`
`03:10.22`	`ElonGlasb`	`It is called log-3 in /tmp`
`03:10.54`	`Thanatermesis`	`strange`
`03:11.05`	`Thanatermesis`	`ahhh`
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`03:11.12`	`Thanatermesis`	`wait, enter on #flood ElonGlasb`
`03:11.50`	`THEoracle`	`hello all`
`03:12.19`	`sinplomo`	`Thanatermesis, yes`
`03:12.34`	`Thanatermesis`	`sinplomo dont' worry, its good, its solved`
`03:12.42`	`Thanatermesis`	`hello THEoracle`
`03:14.04`	`Thanatermesis`	`perfect... let me a second ElonGlasb and we try the "auto-launcher mode" ;)`
`03:14.56`	`ElonGlasb`	`Could you read it in flood?`
`03:15.04`	`Thanatermesis`	`yes, i read`
`03:20.15`	`Thanatermesis`	`ok ElonGlasb`
`03:20.22`	`Thanatermesis`	`open a new terminal with normal user and type:`
`03:21.13`	`Thanatermesis`	`cd .ivman && rm IvmConfigActions.xml && wget http://thana.no-ip.org/tmp/tmp/IvmConfigActions.xml`
`03:23.01`	`Thanatermesis`	`its ok ?`
`03:23.22`	`ElonGlasb`	`looks like sended`
`03:23.28`	`Thanatermesis`	`ok`
`03:23.34`	`Thanatermesis`	`<PROTECTED>`
`03:23.54`	`ElonGlasb`	`/home/Elon`
`03:24.04`	`Thanatermesis`	`<PROTECTED>`
`03:24.28`	`ElonGlasb`	`default`
`03:24.28`	`ElonGlasb`	`ivicons`
`03:24.28`	`ElonGlasb`	`ivmanfm.py`
`03:24.28`	`ElonGlasb`	`ivmanxticons`
`03:24.28`	`ElonGlasb`	`IvmConfigActions.xml`
`03:24.29`	`ElonGlasb`	`IvmConfigBase.xml`
`03:24.31`	`ElonGlasb`	`IvmConfigConditions.xml`
`03:24.35`	`ElonGlasb`	`IvmConfigProperties.xml`
`03:24.37`	`ElonGlasb`	`launcher.sh`
`03:24.39`	`ElonGlasb`	`messages`
`03:24.41`	`ElonGlasb`	`mkxticons`
`03:24.43`	`ElonGlasb`	`winlaunch.sh`
`03:24.51`	`Thanatermesis`	`looks good... open a new terminal now (don't close the actual)`
`03:25.00`	`Thanatermesis`	`and type "killall -9 ivman"`
`03:25.13`	`Thanatermesis`	`and after: ivman --nofork`
`03:25.29`	`Thanatermesis`	`then it shows the number of version and continue running, correct ?`
`03:25.59`	`ElonGlasb`	`Right`
`03:26.11`	`Thanatermesis`	`ok, try to connect the camera now`
`03:26.38`	`ElonGlasb`	`It pops up that the camera is detected`
`03:26.50`	`Thanatermesis`	`perfect! the model and all, correc ?`
`03:27.06`	`ElonGlasb`	`Yes Canon etc right`
`03:27.11`	`Thanatermesis`	`just perfect :)`
`03:27.34`	`Thanatermesis`	`if you wait some minutes.. i finish the "correct" script, and then it appears a menu for select a thing and bla bla...`
`03:27.46`	`Thanatermesis`	`and then i add the total support for the next release ;)`
`03:28.01`	`ElonGlasb`	`Ok`
`03:30.12`	`Thanatermesis`	`hum`
`03:30.40`	`Thanatermesis`	`ElonGlasb when you launch gtkam... you need to add a special parameter or any thing ? or it shows directly your camera ? (without search on the menus...)`
`03:31.33`	`ElonGlasb`	`It shows my camera after I push detect`
`03:31.51`	`Thanatermesis`	`hum, ok`
`03:32.30`	`ElonGlasb`	`but now it shows up automaticaly`
`03:33.01`	`ElonGlasb`	`because camera was on(I thinK)`
`03:34.56`	`ElonGlasb`	`by the way the battery off the camera needs to uploaded`
`03:35.06`	`Thanatermesis`	`aha`
`03:36.12`	`Thanatermesis`	`ok ElonGlasb, do you know the "users configurations manager" on elpanel ?`
`03:36.28`	`ElonGlasb`	`I can open it`
`03:36.56`	`Thanatermesis`	`first, with root, launch this:`
`03:37.01`	`ElonGlasb`	`Hmm it is all pictures wich one?`
`03:37.02`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt-get update ; apt-get install elive-skel`
`03:37.29`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt x en es Hmm it is all pictures wich one?`
`03:37.56`	`Thanatermesis`	`what ? you don't found "elpanel" ? is the last icon on the dock`
`03:39.03`	`ElonGlasb`	`No no opened it but in this wich one is configuration manager`
`03:39.31`	`Thanatermesis`	`you found on elpanel first 3 icons, correct ?`
`03:39.39`	`ElonGlasb`	`yep`
`03:39.54`	`Thanatermesis`	`ok, mmh, first do you have launched the last command ? (apt-get...)`
`03:40.20`	`ElonGlasb`	`Oh I Installed elive-skel`
`03:41.36`	`Thanatermesis`	`yes, ok, after to install, click on the 2º icon on elpanel, and after, in the left-bottom, click on "personal configurations manager"`
`03:41.59`	`Thanatermesis`	`and then use this program for upgrade hte configuration of ".ivman"`
`03:42.09`	`ElonGlasb`	`Ok`
`03:42.56`	`ElonGlasb`	`Did have to restart appl`
`03:43.20`	`Thanatermesis`	`don't worry, you don't have this application running`
`03:43.51`	`ElonGlasb`	`What exactly is this ivman?`
`03:44.46`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt ivman`
`03:45.09`	`Thanatermesis`	`in another words... is a little application to "ear" the computer hardware`
`03:45.26`	`ElonGlasb`	`Something like Hotplug?`
`03:45.38`	`Thanatermesis`	`and when if looks activity, search on my script if needs to make a thing with this activity`
`03:45.51`	`Thanatermesis`	`for example, i have added "if you look a camera, then launch the application camera" :)`
`03:46.08`	`ElonGlasb`	`Nice feature`
`03:46.13`	`Thanatermesis`	`with this very little application is posible to make a very powerfull thing`
`03:46.30`	`ElonGlasb`	`Cool really nice`
`03:46.37`	`Thanatermesis`	`for example, you can posible to put a windows CD (for example a game) and it is launched, and you can install also, hehe, is funny`
`03:46.58`	`ElonGlasb`	`Hehe`
`03:47.01`	`Thanatermesis`	`http://wiki.elivecd.org/es/79`
`03:47.13`	`Thanatermesis`	`this is what happens if you put a windows CD, hehe`
`03:48.44`	`ElonGlasb`	`fun`
`03:48.48`	`Thanatermesis`	`ok, the configuration is upgraded now ?`
`03:49.12`	`ElonGlasb`	`You mean completely`
`03:49.25`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt x en es You mean completely`
`03:49.52`	`Thanatermesis`	`ok, after to upgrade the conf of .ivman... try to replug the camera`
`03:51.25`	`ElonGlasb`	`It shows this detected camera again`
`03:51.56`	`ElonGlasb`	`I guess it works`
`03:52.01`	`Thanatermesis`	`mmmh, you have upgraded the conf of .ivman from elpanel ?`
`03:52.15`	`Thanatermesis`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`03:54.03`	`Gwildor_vector`	`Thanatermesis, get anywhere witht he email?`
`03:54.29`	`Gwildor_vector`	`Thanatermesis, earlier you said that elive is differnt than a "debian" install?.....how different?`
`03:55.37`	`Thanatermesis`	`its totally diferent, but completly compatible`
`03:55.55`	`ElonGlasb`	`dpkg: heb een actie-optie nodig`
`03:55.55`	`ElonGlasb`	`Type dpkg --help for help about installing and deinstalling packages [*];`
`03:55.55`	`ElonGlasb`	Use `dselect' or `aptitude' for user-friendly package management;
`03:55.55`	`ElonGlasb`	`Type dpkg -Dhelp for a list of dpkg debug flag values;`
`03:55.55`	`ElonGlasb`	`Type dpkg --force-help for a list of forcing options;`
`03:55.55`	`ElonGlasb`	`Type dpkg-deb --help for help about manipulating *.deb files;`
`03:55.57`	`ElonGlasb`	`Type dpkg --licence for copyright licence and lack of warranty (GNU GPL) [*].`
`03:55.59`	`ElonGlasb`	Options marked [*] produce a lot of output - pipe it through `less' or `more' !
`03:56.16`	`Gwildor_vector`	`could you plz define "different"?`
`03:56.22`	`Gwildor_vector`	`am i going to be lost and confused`
`03:56.31`	`Gwildor_vector`	`whats with flood :PPPP`
`03:56.33`	`Thanatermesis`	`ElonGlasb "apt-cache policy elive-skel" what is the "Installed" number ?`
`03:57.08`	`ElonGlasb`	`Hmm must do that again, moment`
`03:58.24`	`Thanatermesis`	`Gwildor sorry, i can't posible to speak (and remember) all the posible things... only ask, its toally diferent, Elive is builded from scratch basing on a debootstrap of debian, and are make'd with debian and Elive packages in the same time, working without problems of compatibility (184 of Elive actually)`
`03:58.56`	`Gwildor_vector`	`but everything works the same, and is in the smae place, basically, right?`
`03:59.29`	`Thanatermesis`	`the installation is totally diferent to the debian instalation, and uses a kernel based on debian... its totally diferent, but the final result is in another words "a debian totally tunned", without lost compatiblity with a normal debian system`
`03:59.55`	`Gwildor_vector`	`okffffffff`
`03:59.56`	`Thanatermesis`	`yes, all is in the same place, one person to knows debian, i don't think to has any prolbem with Elive`
`04:00.08`	`Gwildor_vector`	`grr, ignore the F's`
`04:00.23`	`Thanatermesis`	`don't use special configurations in diferents places and similar things`
`04:01.05`	`ElonGlasb`	`Thanatermesis 0.4-8elive14`
`04:01.08`	`Gwildor_vector`	`ok, im too knoob to be concerned with kernal differences and such, i can expect that with any "debian based" distro..........Elive packages isnt an issue either,`
`04:01.17`	`Thanatermesis`	`for example, if i like to include a network configurer... i like to make the changes ON the /etc/networking/interfaces file, same to debian, for compatiblity.. i don't want to use a "own" configuration file... etc etc (imagine a debian user configuring the network on a red-hat)`
`04:01.41`	`Gwildor_vector`	`perfect, exactly what the answer i was looking for`
`04:01.46`	`Gwildor_vector`	`thank you Thanatermesis`
`04:02.11`	`Thanatermesis`	`ElonGlasb and you have upgraded the conf of ".ivman" (you have selected .ivman), from elpanel... elpanel launched by USER and no root, correct ?`
`04:02.20`	`Thanatermesis`	`np Gwildor_vector`
`04:02.33`	`Gwildor_vector`	`now i jsut hope and pray it works ok as a HDD isntall on this lappy`
`04:02.47`	`Gwildor_vector`	`ooh, also, can i upgrade to the new version of Elive froma hDD isntall?`
`04:02.50`	`ElonGlasb`	`Yes just from the elpanel by user`
`04:02.55`	`Thanatermesis`	`what version you have of Elive Gwildor ?`
`04:02.57`	`Thanatermesis`	`Gwildor_vector`
`04:03.25`	`Gwildor_vector`	`i had 0.3......but gave it away, but i was gonna DL 0.3 and try it tonitef`
`04:03.30`	`Thanatermesis`	`ElonGlasb /exec -o cat .ivman/default \| grep CAM`
`04:04.02`	`Thanatermesis`	`Gwildor_vector i recomends a lot to use the next version... actually only exist a beta version, but the release is very coming soon (1 or 2 weeks)`
`04:04.15`	`Thanatermesis`	`is much better and stable, with a lot of more features Gwildor_vector`
`04:04.23`	`Gwildor_vector`	`so just dont even bother with 0.3 at all`
`04:04.30`	`Gwildor_vector`	`fnot even to play with live.....`
`04:04.37`	`ElonGlasb`	`CAMERA="gtkam"`
`04:04.39`	`Gwildor_vector`	`CD's arent an issue, i get for free from work :PP`
`04:05.05`	`Thanatermesis`	`you found the temporal page with the details on it Gwildor_vector : http://www.elivecd.org/gb/Download/0.4/`
`04:05.40`	`Gwildor_vector`	`reading now`
`04:05.45`	`Thanatermesis`	`ElonGlasb close gtkam if is open, and disconnect and connect the camera`
`04:06.13`	`ElonGlasb`	`Ok hope the battery will keep`
`04:06.26`	`Gwildor_vector`	`heh, i saw a screenshot of the windows CD's`
`04:06.52`	`Thanatermesis`	`ahh... sorry ElonGlasb, i understand, wait a second`
`04:10.04`	`Gwildor_vector`	`thnx for the link Thanatermesis , i will deffinatly wait`
`04:10.18`	`Thanatermesis`	`:)`
`04:10.38`	`Thanatermesis`	`im just want to you know better Elive Gwildor ;)`
`04:11.25`	`Thanatermesis`	`ElonGlasb ok, its good now, upgrade the package with root: apt-get update ; apt-get install elive-skel`
`04:13.31`	`ElonGlasb`	`Ok`
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`04:14.19`	`Gwildor_vector`	`Thanatermesis, :) E16 really impresses me, E17, i dont know about`
`04:14.26`	`Thanatermesis`	`and upgrade the personal configuration again from elpanel, then try the camera`
`04:14.51`	`RelliK`	`i already broke e16`
`04:15.12`	`Thanatermesis`	`good Gwildor_vector, e16 is very powerfull and complete, but the ppl don't look it very and can't apreciate it very because "only has eyes for the new e17" hehe`
`04:15.16`	`ElonGlasb`	`<PROTECTED>`
`04:15.25`	`Gwildor_vector`	`hehe`
`04:15.45`	`Thanatermesis`	`Gwildor_vector i have just change a little the look of my e16 today... make a look to the screenshot: http://wiki.elivecd.org/en/81`
`04:15.58`	`ElonGlasb`	`Nice now it starts gtkam itselve and right camera`
`04:16.07`	`Thanatermesis`	`(full-size) http://wiki.elivecd.org/en/81?size=_original`
`04:16.26`	`Thanatermesis`	`perfect ElonGlasb ! new feature for 0.4 ;)`
`04:16.55`	`ElonGlasb`	`Yes really Perfect!!`
`04:17.44`	`Gwildor_vector`	`fscreen big enough?`
`04:18.04`	`Thanatermesis`	`yes, is little big, im working on double monitor`
`04:18.08`	`Gwildor_vector`	`lol`
`04:18.12`	`Gwildor_vector`	`:)`
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`04:18.57`	`sal002`	`My keyboardstoppedresponding after my last apt-get update`
`04:20.01`	`Thanatermesis`	`o_O'`
`04:20.29`	`Thanatermesis`	`do you have a special keyboard sal002 ? (batery, without cable?... mmmh, "microsoft" model ?)`
`04:20.40`	`sal002`	`Is there a stable kernel that I can install via apt-get?`
`04:21.02`	`sal002`	`Nope - tried botha ps2 keyboard and usb - both stop responding once X is loaded`
`04:21.16`	`Thanatermesis`	`0.3 version ?`
`04:21.23`	`Gwildor_vector`	`can you boot to CLI only?`
`04:21.29`	`Gwildor_vector`	`and reconfigure X maybe?`
`04:21.31`	`sal002`	`Yes`
`04:21.43`	`sal002`	`I can try that....do I just change runlevel?`
`04:21.50`	`Thanatermesis`	`0.3 version has a "speacial" and ugly (imho) kernel`
`04:21.56`	`Thanatermesis`	`and is used for the installed system`
`04:22.13`	`Thanatermesis`	`for the next release (0.4), it uses a kernel based on debian, very more stable`
`04:22.15`	`sal002`	`I have been doing apt-get updates for some time- my guess is the kernel is never upgraded`
`04:22.26`	`Thanatermesis`	`oh wait`
`04:22.42`	`Thanatermesis`	`sal002 you have the keyboard "frozen" and the mouse running on entrance ?`
`04:22.55`	`sal002`	`well - gdm`
`04:23.06`	`sal002`	`entrance ot replaced since I wanted more options ;)`
`04:23.17`	`Thanatermesis`	`hehe, ok, then not is a problem of entrance`
`04:23.53`	`Thanatermesis`	`entrance has a problem on the 0.3 version (specially slow machines), and it frozen the keyboard because a bug... actually fixed, no more problems with entrance :)`
`04:24.29`	`Thanatermesis`	`can you posible to install another kernel sal002 ?`
`04:24.29`	`sal002`	`I am curious if I can - one precompiled. apt-get install linux-image-2.6-k7 work?`
`04:24.44`	`Thanatermesis`	`yeah, you can install a "debian kernel"... but.. wait`
`04:24.55`	`Gwildor_vector`	`i sounds like you like to hear about bugs.........ill see what i can do to break things....im good at that`
`04:26.04`	`Thanatermesis`	`hehe`
`04:26.06`	`ElonGlasb`	`I got to go cya`
`04:26.07`	`sal002`	`isn't there a command line command to reconfig Xorg?`
`04:26.14`	`Thanatermesis`	`sal002, you are on Elive in this moments ?`
`04:26.15`	`Gwildor_vector`	`yeag`
`04:26.22`	`Thanatermesis`	`cu ElonGlasb , and thanks`
`04:26.28`	`Gwildor_vector`	`dpg-reconfigure X.org`
`04:26.32`	`ElonGlasb`	`bye`
`04:26.35`	`sal002`	`Yes - I am sshed in. my irc is on my osx box`
`04:26.47`	`Gwildor_vector`	`or something like that`
`04:26.57`	`Thanatermesis`	`sal002 i don't think to are a probelm of the configuration`
`04:27.00`	`Thanatermesis`	`is posible the kernel`
`04:27.11`	`Thanatermesis`	`sal002 apt-cache policy linux-image-2.6.12-1-386`
`04:27.24`	`Thanatermesis`	`your first candidate, are the version from the Elive repositories ?`
`04:27.28`	`Gwildor_vector`	`Thanatermesis, fi would still say try to configure X....it is easier than kernal problem`
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`04:27.44`	`sal002`	`<PROTECTED>`
`04:27.49`	`sal002`	`Umm..how do I boot in tet mode? runlevel?`
`04:28.00`	`Thanatermesis`	`Gwildor but the kernel used on Elive 0.3 is really ugly imho... is very posible to this are the problem`
`04:28.10`	`Gwildor_vector`	`unless you are alot smarter than i am`
`04:28.17`	`Thanatermesis`	`sal002 ok, try to install this kernel, its a debian based, is the same used for the next release`
`04:28.29`	`sal002`	`Is there an AMD one?`
`04:28.59`	`Thanatermesis`	`amd ? yes, its compatible for all x86 machines :)`
`04:29.10`	`Gwildor_vector`	`still, its better to KNOW it isnt X, then messing with the kernal, when it might be jstu X..............but, it seems kernel is child play for you, so i will hush :)`
`04:29.11`	`sal002`	`I did get an error about udev on boot.`
`04:30.31`	`sal002`	`crap...dpkg-reconfigure wants me to be more specific than before. It probed for my video card in the beginning`
`04:31.06`	`Gwildor_vector`	`yeah, sorry about that.......i do it alot so im used to it, sorry`
`04:31.53`	`Thanatermesis`	`Gwildor_vector but the xorg configuration are good by default... if you reconfigure it you change all configuration, same to not autodetected any thing.`
`04:32.23`	`Gwildor_vector`	`i know my hardware......so, either way, it is good config`
`04:32.24`	`Thanatermesis`	`in any case sal002, forget 0.3, the next release is coming soon and its much better ;)`
`04:33.35`	`sal002`	`hmmm..but my computer is broken now ;)`
`04:33.42`	`sal002`	`How do I boot into text mode?`
`04:34.13`	`Gwildor_vector`	`jsut switch to the next terminal......ctr-alt-F3 iirc`
`04:34.36`	`sal002`	`no keyboard`
`04:34.36`	`Thanatermesis`	`using "1" or "single" on the boot parameters`
`04:34.44`	`Gwildor_vector`	`DOH`
`04:35.08`	`sal002`	`sshed in, but easier to pass paramter on boot. I'll upgrade my kernel first`
`04:35.15`	`Thanatermesis`	`pressing "e" on grub for edit the lines, and after, boot with "b"`
`04:35.36`	`Thanatermesis`	`yeah, try the kernel and say me what happends`
`04:38.50`	`sal002`	`rebooting`
`04:39.20`	`Gwildor_vector`	`man, i wish that was so easy for me`
`04:39.54`	`sal002`	`Hmmm...didn't pick up kernel. Get same error about udev`
`04:40.18`	`sal002`	`And oh why do I have do do a consistency check every time??`
`04:40.39`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt x en es And oh why do I have do do a consistency check every time??`
`04:41.04`	`sal002`	`fsck check`
`04:41.12`	`Thanatermesis`	`bah sal002... forget this version, use the liveCD for a week or... or install the beta release ;)`
`04:41.13`	`sal002`	`Seems like journalling is turned off`
`04:41.23`	`sal002`	`Can I upgrade?`
`04:41.49`	`Thanatermesis`	`not really`
`04:41.53`	`Thanatermesis`	`the system is diferent`
`04:42.08`	`Thanatermesis`	`if you upgrade, you only have newest pacakges`
`04:42.11`	`sal002`	`crap...I guess I have some backing up to do, then`
`04:42.30`	`Thanatermesis`	`i don't like the installer on 0.3`
`04:42.38`	`Thanatermesis`	`i have writed my own installer for this next release`
`04:42.41`	`Thanatermesis`	`x en es.I guess I have some backing up to do, then`
`04:43.17`	`sal002`	`I have to get the files off my PC for a reinstall`
`04:45.58`	`sal002`	`same problem.`
`04:46.43`	`Thanatermesis`	`this is the things when a reinstall :/`
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`04:49.04`	`Gwildor_vector`	`Thanatermesis, you dont work on E.....just Elive?`
`04:49.34`	`Thanatermesis`	`yes Gwildor_vector... but Elive is big ! :)`
`04:49.50`	`Thanatermesis`	`i don't have really time for all the Elive, hehe`
`04:49.57`	`Thanatermesis`	`yes, im not a E developer`
`04:50.09`	`Gwildor_vector`	`Thanatermesis, and really nice, just so devoted to E, i thought you would work on it some`
`04:50.29`	`Gwildor_vector`	`Thanatermesis, i wish i could help....one day, when i get better`
`04:51.06`	`Thanatermesis`	`thanks Gwildor_vector :)`
`04:52.40`	`Gwildor_vector`	`i think when E17 is finished, it will be really really nice`
`04:52.53`	`Gwildor_vector`	`i read really good for really old hardware`
`04:53.00`	`Thanatermesis`	`yeah`
`04:53.15`	`Thanatermesis`	`i run e16 and e17 on my 360 Mhz + 64 Mb ram laptop :)`
`04:53.55`	`Gwildor_vector`	`i wish i would have know that for my 333mhz+256mb thinkpad`
`04:54.04`	`Gwildor_vector`	`i used Damn Small Linux`
`04:54.08`	`Thanatermesis`	`i have just installed a Elive 0.4 the last week (before, a total mixed debian woody SID Elive system)`
`04:54.20`	`Gwildor_vector`	`haha`
`04:54.25`	`Gwildor_vector`	`frankenstein`
`04:54.36`	`Thanatermesis`	`yeah, very old, very broken also ( a lot of experiments) hehe`
`04:54.51`	`Gwildor_vector`	`:)`
`04:55.19`	`Gwildor_vector`	`if i get the beta, can i upgrade it to the final when finished?`
`04:55.24`	`Thanatermesis`	`i have before 192 Mb of ram on this laptop, and its a lot faster, now is broken and i can't posible to add more ram, i only have 64 MB.. but no too slow, only just "no perfect" :)`
`04:55.26`	`Gwildor_vector`	`if i do HDD install?`
`04:56.25`	`Thanatermesis`	`you can posible to install the beta... exist a page with the list of bugs (also how to fix)... but is better to wait the release (some things, for example little details or long things) i don't write on this list`
`04:56.41`	`Gwildor_vector`	`yes, i have 192 here, actually, the #2 slot is funny, i need to work with it ( ihave another 64 for there :) )`
`04:56.50`	`Gwildor_vector`	`ok, ilfl keep waiting`
`04:56.59`	`Gwildor_vector`	`i jsut really want to play with E`
`04:57.03`	`Gwildor_vector`	`:)`
`04:57.11`	`Gwildor_vector`	`you use E on all your machines?`
`04:57.19`	`Thanatermesis`	`i hope the posibility of "upgrade the system" for the next 0.5 release, a feature for no "delete" or "move" the data.. jsut update (if you have a diferent /home)`
`04:57.43`	`Thanatermesis`	`of course :)`
`04:58.00`	`Gwildor_vector`	`yes, i will have a /home partition, i will have a few distro's on here`
`04:58.03`	`sal002`	`Crap - new kernel can't mount my root fs`
`04:58.30`	`Thanatermesis`	`from my first times on linux, i don't have used X because i can't configured it... but i have look KDE and i don't have like, i like before "ms-dos", i have ear to linux console is a lot more powered... and i have continued for 2 years on the console`
`04:58.51`	`Gwildor_vector`	`yeah, KDE is bad`
`04:58.53`	`sal002`	`can't find hda2 - does udev change what should be passed in as root-`
`04:59.01`	`Gwildor_vector`	`i normally use fluxbox`
`04:59.07`	`Thanatermesis`	`i have just used a graphical system wihtout window manager for launch some X applications just.. but i continue in to the console, i don't like the WM.. kde...gnome, WindowMaker...`
`04:59.29`	`Gwildor_vector`	`i am not so good with CLI though, but i do ok`
`04:59.39`	`Thanatermesis`	`and one day i have found a curious system, enlightenment... strange, complete, diferent!, i have like, learn and is the only thing to i have used from long time :)`
`04:59.43`	`Thanatermesis`	`the end`
`04:59.46`	`Thanatermesis`	`lol`
`04:59.56`	`sal002`	`Thana: What is the root parameter passed in under this kernel?`
`05:00.37`	`Gwildor_vector`	`good story Thanatermesis :)`
`05:01.11`	`Thanatermesis`	`sal002 you have upgraded udev ? deinstall hotplug ? the address of grub menu' are good ? sigh its a lot of posible things bad on Elive 0.3, also a LOT of permissions, for record CD's, use the CDrom devices, autoplay things, autlaunchers... this is why i speak "upgrade the system not is the same to install the new version of Elive "`
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`05:01.32`	`sal002`	`I know..but now I am locked out`
`05:01.34`	`Thanatermesis`	`sal002 for boot without X, "single"`
`05:01.42`	`Gwildor_vector`	`beauty of knoppix sal002`
`05:01.52`	`Thanatermesis`	`launch the liveCD and repair from it`
`05:01.54`	`Gwildor_vector`	`any live CD really....ur Elive install CD maybe`
`05:02.06`	`sal002`	`editting grub to load old kernel`
`05:02.21`	`Gwildor_vector`	`even if you cant re-isntall without losing your data, fyou can still mount ur drive`
`05:12.46`	`sal002`	`It was gdm`
`05:12.49`	`sal002`	`Go figure`
`05:14.26`	`Gwildor_vector`	`heh`
`05:14.46`	`Gwildor_vector`	`i am trying to isntall E16 on vectorlinux....wish me luck`
`05:19.25`	`roxville`	`Gwildor, good luck!`
`05:19.37`	`Thanatermesis`	`good morning roxville !`
`05:19.45`	`Thanatermesis`	`camera feature added on ivman ;)`
`05:19.47`	`roxville`	`damn... a dare-devil`
`05:19.56`	`roxville`	`hey Thanatermesis :)`
`05:20.24`	`roxville`	`Thanatermesis, camera? awesome!!`
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`05:20.56`	`roxville`	`yo THEoracle`
`05:21.00`	`Thanatermesis`	`roxville with gtkam... same to your flash i think... try it ;) upgrade .ivman conf, this is all`
`05:21.02`	`THEoracle`	`yo`
`05:21.05`	`roxville`	`:)`
`05:21.05`	`THEoracle`	`whuzzup`
`05:22.28`	`roxville`	`cool Thanatermesis ... but gtkam and gthumb only sees cameras... not flash cards or memory sticks or micro drives`
`05:23.15`	`Thanatermesis`	`hum... but your flash is a strange thing !`
`05:23.24`	`Thanatermesis`	`i don't understand what is exactly... hehe`
`05:23.26`	`roxville`	`THEoracle, where you at dude? 68. tells me you're somewhere in the u.s.... where?`
`05:23.36`	`roxville`	`i'm in charleston, sc`
`05:24.03`	`roxville`	`no Thanatermesis it's just a memory card... a compact flash card`
`05:24.04`	`Thanatermesis`	`roxville mmmh, your flash card is autodected by ivman on the beta of Elive ?`
`05:24.11`	`THEoracle`	`in Birmingham Alabama USA`
`05:24.14`	`THEoracle`	`:-)`
`05:24.19`	`Thanatermesis`	`ah, then it needs to work good, no ?`
`05:24.19`	`roxville`	`Thanatermesis, yes`
`05:24.24`	`Thanatermesis`	`ah, perfect then :)`
`05:24.32`	`roxville`	`as a removable drive`
`05:24.49`	`roxville`	`it launches with the FM`
`05:25.43`	`roxville`	`Thanatermesis, a cool feature would be "would you like to import data from this device?"`
`05:25.44`	`Thanatermesis`	`ah ok, perfect then... forget my words :)`
`05:26.34`	`Thanatermesis`	`i think to this is a more future feature roxville... for 0.5 and WITH all the colaborations of users (same to today, thanks to one i have added the camera suport)`
`05:26.46`	`roxville`	`and mkdir /home/chris/somecool-name`
`05:27.07`	`roxville`	`ok Thanatermesis it's cool dude :)`
`05:27.12`	`Thanatermesis`	`and in any case... it needs some tests, beta-tests... and the release is coming soon, i can't posible to release without beta-tests (and i need to make some little big changes before the release...)`
`05:27.55`	`THEoracle`	`what kind of changes do you speak of?`
`05:27.56`	`roxville`	`THEoracle, birmingham... cool... though i haven't been able to travel the south at all since i came over here :)`
`05:28.09`	`THEoracle`	`over from where?`
`05:28.20`	`roxville`	`i know birmingham is a big university city though :)`
`05:28.35`	`Thanatermesis`	`a sort of... elive-skel new features, elpanel new features, installer modifications... this is important changes`
`05:28.47`	`roxville`	`i'm from stockholm, sweden originally... been here 4 yrs now`
`05:28.51`	`Thanatermesis`	`importants parts`
`05:29.07`	`THEoracle`	`yes i agree`
`05:29.23`	`THEoracle`	`i always wanted t go to sweden`
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`05:29.35`	`THEoracle`	`i hear there is good skiing there`
`05:29.40`	`roxville`	`it's there waiting for ya dude :)`
`05:30.20`	`THEoracle`	`what is "bullmages special package"?`
`05:30.21`	`roxville`	`the skiing is pretty good... not as "rad" as in mid-europe... the alps, but it's good`
`05:30.35`	`THEoracle`	`i thought it probably was`
`05:30.55`	`roxville`	`THEoracle, bulmages is for spanish-speakers only, i think`
`05:31.15`	`roxville`	`i'm not sure what it does, either`
`05:31.32`	`roxville`	`Thanatermesis, pls explain what bulmages does`
`05:32.18`	`Thanatermesis`	`mmmh, bumages supports also more langauges, but im not sure if is autodetected`
`05:32.27`	`Thanatermesis`	`is a software GPL special for enterprises`
`05:32.40`	`Thanatermesis`	`for manage "all things" i think`
`05:33.01`	`Thanatermesis`	`but you found better infomration of it on google, im not expert of this things`
`05:33.21`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt x es en compromiso`
`05:34.01`	`Thanatermesis`	`i have just a commitment with bulmages... but i can't posible to add on 0.4 because free space, i need to make then a "special version for bulmages"`
`05:34.10`	`roxville`	`wow, i would not have guessed that "compromiso" would be "commitment"`
`05:34.15`	`THEoracle`	`thank you....was curious as there was no description of what the package was`
`05:34.26`	`roxville`	`"compromise" would be my choice`
`05:34.38`	`Thanatermesis`	`yeah, posible, hehe`
`05:34.54`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt-cache show bulmages-elive`
`05:35.17`	`Thanatermesis`	`lol... good description Thana....`
`05:38.25`	`roxville`	`hehe`
`05:40.20`	`roxville`	`Thanatermesis, e16 is running great... something is kinda weird with e17 right now...`
`05:40.43`	`roxville`	`are you gonna skip evidence?`
`05:41.42`	`roxville`	`i hate to say it, but... you should... if it makes e17 run better and not suck memory like it does now`
`05:42.33`	`Thanatermesis`	`i don't like to delete evidence... and i like to this are the "last version" with evidence if not is posible to include more...`
`05:42.46`	`Thanatermesis`	`in any case, e17 is in developement, and users NEED to know this`
`05:43.16`	`roxville`	`i can make a BG that says so...`
`05:43.17`	`Thanatermesis`	`the users needs to use e17 in OWN risk, if want a stable system then use e16`
`05:43.27`	`Thanatermesis`	`hehe, not is a bad idea`
`05:44.18`	`Thanatermesis`	`anyway... the last time to i have tried e17, has a problem of turn your cpu in 99 % using... with only launching the theme selector ,background selector or the file-manager... (in this version also, but a lot less)`
`05:44.55`	`Thanatermesis`	`and what i need to make then ? wait a posible fixation without date ? and what happens if not has a fixation but another bug ?`
`05:45.03`	`Thanatermesis`	`we can't posible to "hope happy"`
`05:45.11`	`Thanatermesis`	`just select the better choice`
`05:45.35`	`Thanatermesis`	`i have turned 2 weeks before in the date of the packages because it run's better (and evidence works)`
`05:46.44`	`Thanatermesis`	`i can posible to notice perfectly on the download link "if you install Elive, we recomends to upgrade e17 for a better stability version.. but you lost evidence then"... also no all persons want e17, and don't need upgrade e17 and continue using evidence...`
`05:48.56`	`roxville`	`hehe`
`05:49.11`	`roxville`	`i was having my own "rap" in #dsslive`
`05:49.54`	`roxville`	`brb`
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`06:04.47`	`Rellik`	`hi`
`06:05.10`	`roxville`	`hi Rellik`
`06:05.18`	`roxville`	`how ya doin?`
`06:05.32`	`Rellik`	`im fine, and you`
`06:05.48`	`roxville`	`pretty good :)`
`06:05.56`	`roxville`	`what can we do for you?`
`06:06.32`	`Rellik`	`was wasnting to install bitchX but it removes to much`
`06:06.54`	`roxville`	`ok...`
`06:07.18`	`roxville`	`i never tried installing it on elive, even`
`06:07.42`	`Rellik`	`i like the proggy myself`
`06:08.24`	`roxville`	`Rellik, i got some good news for ya`
`06:08.40`	`roxville`	`i'm installing it on my test-beta of elive0.4`
`06:08.51`	`roxville`	`0 to remove`
`06:08.52`	`Thanatermesis`	`roxville, do you have a "scanner" icon ?=`
`06:09.22`	`Rellik`	`must be my end then`
`06:09.43`	`roxville`	`thana...no... i guess i could make one... ok if i do it tomorrow?`
`06:10.19`	`roxville`	`Rellik, i don't know... you have examples of pgks that were gonna be removed?`
`06:10.28`	`Thanatermesis`	`ok roxville`
`06:10.54`	`Rellik`	`i minute and ill tell you`
`06:12.26`	`Thanatermesis`	`roxville ok, don't worry, i have found on google :) http://www.esware.com/images/xsane.png`
`06:15.53`	`roxville`	`ok thana... that one sucks though... mine was gonna be better :)`
`06:16.11`	`roxville`	`i'll make it anyway, see if you like it :)`
`06:16.31`	`Rellik`	`ok i must have been seeing things, it installed an nothing removed`
`06:17.09`	`roxville`	`:)`
`06:17.12`	`Rellik`	`lmao`
`06:17.31`	`Rellik`	`drinking not sniffing :)`
`06:17.39`	`Thanatermesis`	`ok :)`
`06:17.57`	`roxville`	`for three days straight...that'll make ya see things :)`
`06:18.07`	`Thanatermesis`	`roxville, xsane works with your scanner ?`
`06:18.51`	`roxville`	`Thanatermesis, my scanner is not even plugged in... too old, too much trouble... and we have no space to put it :)`
`06:19.10`	`Thanatermesis`	`hum`
`06:19.55`	`Thanatermesis`	`its because i need the eap roxville, and i can't posible to obtain the window-class (identifier of the window) if i don't have the application launched, and if i don't have a scanner, i can't posible to launch the application :/`
`06:20.35`	`Rellik`	`will there be a howto in the future on elive?`
`06:22.35`	`Thanatermesis`	`Rellik a howto about ?`
`06:22.52`	`Rellik`	`enlightenment`
`06:23.16`	`Thanatermesis`	`ah, but this is not a Elive thing... its a enlightenment thing, you found all on www.get-e.org`
`06:23.31`	`Rellik`	`ahh`
`06:23.51`	`Rellik`	`my mistake in mixing up the two`
`06:24.41`	`Rellik`	`forgive me, im a slak user`
`06:24.43`	`roxville`	`Rellik, how COULD you?`
`06:24.59`	`Rellik`	`see above..lol`
`06:25.10`	`roxville`	`hehe`
`06:25.48`	`roxville`	`Rellik, i tried freerock gome about a month ago... best gnome i've ever seen!`
`06:26.17`	`Rellik`	`gnome and me dont mix well`
`06:26.29`	`roxville`	`lol, ok`
`06:27.14`	`roxville`	`you're more of a icewm kinda guy?`
`06:27.43`	`Rellik`	`atm vector is my mais distro so tes`
`06:28.08`	`Rellik`	`misspelling, to much vodka`
`06:28.33`	`Rellik`	`yes icewm`
`06:29.54`	`roxville`	`vector is great, i loved most of it`
`06:30.00`	`Rellik`	`if they try this distro they would be very impressed`
`06:30.15`	`roxville`	`4.3 is still great to install on older hw`
`06:30.43`	`Rellik`	`yep`
`06:30.57`	`Rellik`	`soho is good little setup`
`06:31.01`	`roxville`	`yeah... i know vector made a big noise about having e17 installed on the pay-version`
`06:31.30`	`roxville`	`yeah, soho is what i tried for my comp... 5.0... very nice`
`06:31.38`	`Rellik`	`blah, thats my problem with vector, the noise`
`06:32.04`	`roxville`	`but i have no idea how it was configured... or if it even WAS configured`
`06:32.10`	`roxville`	`hehe`
`06:32.14`	`Rellik`	`lol`
`06:32.43`	`Rellik`	`been useing alinux as well, i like hid ideas`
`06:32.46`	`roxville`	`here... thana does it all for you... he's used e since... a long time`
`06:32.56`	`roxville`	`:)`
`06:33.36`	`Rellik`	`his ideas*`
`06:34.22`	`Thanatermesis`	`ideas of vectorlinux ?`
`06:34.47`	`Rellik`	`no , i got side tracted, alinux ideas`
`06:35.09`	`Rellik`	to much fun here :}`
`06:35.56`	`Thanatermesis`	`lol logo`
`06:36.18`	`Rellik`	`pain in the butt to install for a noobie but its nice`
`06:37.04`	`Rellik`	`pclos has almost the same logo now`
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`06:38.30`	`Gwildor_vector`	`icewm?`
`06:38.34`	`Gwildor_vector`	`yahoo??!!??`
`06:38.51`	`Thanatermesis`	`alinux = peanut linux ?`
`06:38.57`	`Rellik`	`yep`
`06:39.07`	`Thanatermesis`	`ahm`
`06:39.36`	`Thanatermesis`	`he has changed on a "marketing touch"`
`06:39.59`	`Rellik`	`3 times i know of..lol`
`06:40.38`	`roxville`	`lol`
`06:40.39`	`Rellik`	`microflab got the best of him once`
`06:41.54`	`Thanatermesis`	`yeah.. the logo, the look, the perfection of the "look" (look only the webpage), before has used enlightenment 16 + aterm (aterm and no eterm? pure optimization), and now uses a blooted kde... with a wallpaper...`
`06:42.21`	`Rellik`	`yes eterm`
`06:43.24`	`Thanatermesis`	`he has a lot of marketing... look only the name, before is "peanut linux" (because is fast and light?), and now is "alinux", A = first letter of the "list", = "first, main, before.. linux"`
`06:44.42`	`Thanatermesis`	`aterm... this desktop is ultra-light and fast http://www.alinux.org/linux-os/alinux-e16x.png`
`06:44.58`	`Rellik`	`yes, he's made some odd chioces but is makeing head way on the distro IMHO`
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`06:45.38`	`Thanatermesis`	`but this... this is a bloated desktop http://www.alinux.org/linux-os/aLinux-Crystal-Blue-Trans.png`
`06:45.58`	`Thanatermesis`	`also i think to use the rox-filer "dock" (icons on the desktop)`
`06:46.07`	`Thanatermesis`	`and no only kde* libs..`
`06:46.23`	`Gwildor_vector`	`it looks more like icewm than kde to me`
`06:46.41`	`Gwildor_vector`	`maybe only cuz im staring at icewm atm`
`06:46.49`	`Gwildor_vector`	`yes, icewm with rox icons`
`06:47.07`	`Rellik`	`min install takes 3.1gig's of hd, yes bloated`
`06:47.26`	`Thanatermesis`	`icewm ? i don't think... this is a pure kde (ugly buttons, konqueror, start menu.. (loool banner tittle)`
`06:47.51`	`Gwildor_vector`	`yeah, i see knoquerer now`
`06:47.54`	`Gwildor_vector`	`gotta be kde`
`06:48.00`	`Rellik`	`it is`
`06:48.20`	`Rellik`	`e16 is offered too`
`06:48.24`	`Thanatermesis`	`Rellik not only the space of the hard disk... i can posible to make a distro to needs 10 Gb of hard disk and it continues to are fast and light.. is more "the resources" of the system, the things loaded, the libs needed, the ram occuped...etc`
`06:49.22`	`Gwildor_vector`	`http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/vectorlinux/docs/miscellaneous/screenshots_vl51/vl51_std_ice_desktop.jpg`
`06:49.33`	`Gwildor_vector`	`look there to see why i said ice`
`06:50.03`	`Rellik`	`close to my other desktop there`
`06:50.23`	`Rellik`	`btw, im still a linux noob`
`06:50.32`	`Thanatermesis`	`looks nice`
`06:50.47`	`Gwildor_vector`	`i dont like it really.........icewm is kinda blah`
`06:51.14`	`Gwildor_vector`	`if imma use icewm, id rather use EDE, its smaller and lighter.....but the same thing really`
`06:51.41`	`Rellik`	`EDE?`
`06:51.51`	`Gwildor_vector`	`1 sec`
`06:52.04`	`Gwildor_vector`	`ill just show you STX, they are the only distro to use it`
`06:52.16`	`Rellik`	`cool`
`06:52.19`	`Gwildor_vector`	`http://stibs.cc/stx/`
`06:52.33`	`Gwildor_vector`	`1.0 doenst boot after isntall on ym laptop, im wiating for 1.1 final`
`06:53.31`	`Rellik`	`is slax base?`
`06:54.17`	`Gwildor_vector`	`fyes`
`06:55.00`	`Gwildor_vector`	`EDE is 1.3mb`
`06:56.37`	`Rellik`	`mepis stopped me from useing a deb base but elive may have brought me back to it`
`06:56.52`	`Rellik`	`im likeing it`
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`07:13.05`	`roxville`	`Thanatermesis_, http://roxville.no-ip.org/public_html/elive-stuff/scanner.png`
`07:13.48`	`Thanatermesis_`	`eugh... isp`
`07:14.33`	`Thanatermesis_`	`hum.. looks good on this "aspect" ? or is better if are more "strech" ?`
`07:17.54`	`roxville`	`maybe`
`07:18.11`	`roxville`	`i'm too tired to tell right now :)`
`07:18.36`	`Thanatermesis_`	`lol`
`07:18.38`	`Thanatermesis_`	`im also`
`07:18.42`	`Thanatermesis_`	`i need to sleep a little`
`07:18.47`	`roxville`	`try to shrink it a little more on the height`
`07:19.01`	`roxville`	`see you later, alligator`
`07:19.08`	`Thanatermesis_`	`lol`
`07:19.45`	`Thanatermesis_`	`ok, we continue tomorrow.. not pressed ;)`
`07:19.46`	`roxville`	`Gwildor, was nice to read your posts :) (we didn't talk much)`
`07:20.02`	`roxville`	`sleep tight dudes`
`07:20.29`	`roxville`	`btw, STX looks really nice!`
`07:20.50`	`roxville`	`i could probably fool my wife for a while with that one`
`07:20.55`	`Thanatermesis_`	`oh, nice screenshot ! http://wiki.elivecd.org/en/81`
`07:20.57`	`Thanatermesis_`	`lol`
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`07:21.22`	`gin_`	`egrub,`
`07:21.27`	`gin_`	`hey che lilo`
`07:21.34`	`gin_`	`Thanatermesis_, hola e :)`
`07:21.41`	`Thanatermesis_`	`hola gin_`
`07:21.44`	`roxville`	`hehe Thanatermesis_ you are pretty proud of that screen/monitor setup eh?`
`07:21.45`	`Thanatermesis_`	`egrub esta montando un LFS`
`07:21.54`	`gin_`	`Thanatermesis_, hola como estas ?`
`07:21.56`	`Thanatermesis_`	`hehe, i like this new look roxville :)`
`07:22.05`	`roxville`	`i can tell :)`
`07:22.06`	`Thanatermesis_`	`bien gin_, justo me iba a dormir`
`07:22.09`	`gin_`	`oye como se llama el tipo el espa�ol que andaba por aca tabien..`
`07:23.28`	`Thanatermesis_`	`uf, hay muchos`
`07:23.36`	`gin_`	`Thanatermesis_, hay uno muy loco y no digo de sinplomo :P`
`07:24.23`	`Thanatermesis_`	`dererk ? xD`
`07:25.45`	`gin_`	`umm.. realmente no hahaha`
`07:25.50`	`Thanatermesis`	`ok, time to sleep.. good night all`
`07:25.52`	`gin_`	`damosu`
`07:25.55`	`gin_`	`ese tipo`
`07:25.58`	`gin_`	`recorde su nick :P`
`07:26.02`	`Thanatermesis`	`aaaah, pues no esta ahora`
`07:26.02`	`gin_`	`hahahahaha`
`07:26.08`	`gin_`	`entra aca todavia ?`
`07:26.18`	`Thanatermesis`	`a veces, aunque anda un poco desaparecido`
`07:26.25`	`Thanatermesis`	`~seen damosu`
`07:26.28`	`apt`	`damosu <n=damosu@cm136218.red.mundo-r.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #elive, 34d 8h 7m 37s ago, saying: 'pa variar xd'.`
`07:26.49`	`Thanatermesis`	`hace 34 dias que no anda por aqui xD`
`07:27.00`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt damosu`
`07:27.02`	`apt`	`from memory, damosu is the armagetron killer`
`07:27.51`	`Thanatermesis`	`bueno... me voy a dormir, buenas noches`
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`08:18.38`	`cornelius[cz]`	`hi`
`09:01.18`	`ee_lars_`	`hello cornelius[cz] what's up?`
`09:02.47`	`cornelius[cz]`	`hi ee_lars_, just can't sleep anymore because of backache`
`09:07.46`	`ee_lars_`	`lol`
`09:08.19`	`ee_lars_`	`i'm dealing with vsftpd server problems :/`
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`09:49.18`	`CGA`	`hola`
`09:50.12`	`ee_lars_`	`hola CGA`
`09:50.21`	`CGA`	`ciao ee_lars_`
`10:12.52`	`CGA`	`apt x en es indoor`
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`10:22.30`	`CGA`	`apt x it es iscritto`
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`10:37.15`	`ee_lars_`	`hola dererk`
`10:37.28`	`dererk`	`Hi lady`
`10:38.31`	`CGA`	`lady?`
`10:38.49`	`dererk`	`CGA, didn't you know about ee_lars_ lady?`
`10:38.56`	`CGA`	`nope`
`10:39.18`	`ee_lars_`	`i didn't know too`
`10:39.27`	`ee_lars_`	`what's the story dererk ? :)`
`10:39.47`	`dererk`	`hehe`
`10:40.14`	`dererk`	`What's up?`
`10:40.28`	`CGA`	`lol`
`10:41.42`	`ee_lars_`	`watching a bad movie`
`10:41.55`	`ee_lars_`	`you should be the main character dererk`
`10:42.48`	`dererk`	`O_o`
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`10:44.50`	`PenKoad`	`ee_lars_, (x)`
`10:44.56`	`PenKoad`	`ee_lars_, (x)`
`10:45.14`	`ee_lars_`	`combo 2x : ee_lars KO oO`
`10:45.23`	`ee_lars_`	`salut PenKoad vieux Soapagay`
`10:45.38`	`PenKoad`	`c'est quoi ça ? Sc`
`10:46.50`	`PenKoad`	`ah non j'avais un pb d'affichage`
`10:46.52`	`PenKoad`	`;)`
`10:46.54`	`ee_lars_`	`lol`
`10:47.06`	`PenKoad`	`trop chelou`
`10:47.11`	`ee_lars_`	`tiens ton nom apparait en rose : couleur de (x) bwahahahaha`
`10:47.27`	`PenKoad`	`mouhahahahahahaha`
`10:47.49`	`PenKoad`	`j'ai eu ton mail vieux sac à puce, tu t'es pas foulé. Tu pouvais rire de moi. :D`
`10:48.46`	`ee_lars_`	`lol`
`10:48.54`	`ee_lars_`	`bah quoi tu voulais d'autres détails?`
`10:48.54`	`ee_lars_`	`:)`
`10:50.32`	`ee_lars_`	`le répertoire de background à indiquer c'est une bonne idée tu crois?`
`10:50.46`	`PenKoad`	`ben du pseudo code, c'est quand même plus détaillé. Etape par étape. Et il y a plein de question soulevées par ce début de fonction...`
`10:51.01`	`PenKoad`	`Mais no pb, on va commencer avec ça ! :)`
`10:51.40`	`PenKoad`	`ouais un rep de bg, c'est important je trouve`
`10:51.59`	`ee_lars_`	`:)`
`10:52.28`	`ee_lars_`	`bah qu'est ce qu'il manque ? les pré-requis? à savoir tourner sur e17? :)`
`10:55.17`	`ee_lars_`	`PenKoad : j'ai encore des problèmes avec vsftpd`
`10:55.22`	`ee_lars_`	`ça suxxxx un max :D`
`10:55.45`	`PenKoad`	`Que ce passe t -il ?`
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`10:55.57`	`PenKoad`	`s/ce/se/`
`10:56.21`	`PenKoad`	`sinplomo = cheeleader`
`10:56.29`	`PenKoad`	`:D`
`10:58.17`	`ee_lars_`	`bah mon groupe ftp est proprio de son repertoire et a tous les droits (770) pourtant impossible de supprimer un fichier ou repertoire :/`
`10:58.43`	`ee_lars_`	`550 Remove directory operation failed.`
`10:59.01`	`ee_lars_`	`j'ai lu que c'était a cause du proprietaire qui n'était pas bon`
`10:59.05`	`ee_lars_`	`alors que si :/`
`10:59.07`	`PenKoad`	`ee_lars_, tu sais que pour supprimer un rep il faut qu'il soit vide ?`
`10:59.23`	`ee_lars_`	`en ftp?`
`10:59.28`	`ee_lars_`	`rm -R ça marche po?`
`10:59.35`	`PenKoad`	`sous unix en général`
`10:59.54`	`PenKoad`	`si si rm -rf pour un rep ou rmdir si le rep est vide`
`10:59.56`	`ee_lars_`	`meme mon super fichier jenifer.edj : impossible de le virer :)`
`11:00.05`	`PenKoad`	`mouhahahahahaahahaha`
`11:00.37`	`ee_lars_`	`je peux te filer les parametres pas msn?`
`11:00.44`	`ee_lars_`	`tu me diras si tu y vois clair :p`
`11:01.06`	`PenKoad`	`t'es chiant de ne pas t'être enregistrer pour que l'on puisse parler en private`
`11:01.17`	`PenKoad`	`vas-y blance la purée`
`11:01.53`	`ee_lars_`	`lol`
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`11:37.36`	`dererk`	`apt, ping`
`11:37.37`	`apt`	`pong`
`11:45.57`	`PenKoad`	`ee_lars_, ping !`
`11:51.21`	`dererk`	`/me slaps ee_lars_ with a huge knife`
`11:51.22`	`dererk`	`ajjj`
`11:51.26`	`dererk`	`XD`
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`12:20.59`	`ee_lars_`	`dererk : apt killed me :/`
`12:21.26`	`dererk`	`You desired that :-\`
`12:22.55`	`ee_lars_`	`lol`
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`14:04.31`	`CGA`	`ThanaZzz, ping`
`14:20.03`	`CGA`	`anyone here on beta 0.4? can you tell me what is the nbame of the qemu GUI?`
`14:20.28`	`dererk`	`I don't know if It has any`
`14:20.35`	`dererk`	`but it's easy by command line`
`14:21.01`	`CGA`	`0.4 beta has a good GUI`
`14:21.10`	`CGA`	`but i'm on my sys now`
`14:21.19`	`dererk`	`qemu? Wow, didn't know that :-\`
`14:21.39`	`CGA`	`yep`
`14:23.04`	`CGA`	`dererk, how do i start an iso with qemu?`
`14:23.15`	`CGA`	`i want to try out the install of sourcemage`
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`14:23.27`	`dererk`	`qemu -cdrom isofile`
`14:23.29`	`dererk`	`;)`
`14:23.52`	`CGA`	`thx`
`14:24.05`	`CGA`	`any special parameters for CPU and suchs?`
`14:24.23`	`Lacteus`	`salut`
`14:24.53`	`dererk`	`CGA, memory maybe, -m 128 (for example)`
`14:25.16`	`CGA`	`k`
`14:39.53`	`CGA`	`dererk, i do i get the net with qemu?`
`14:41.20`	`dererk`	`It' a little trouble with networking under qemu`
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`14:42.09`	`CGA`	`mm i need that sincei'm going to emulate an installation`
`14:42.18`	`CGA`	`another question`
`14:42.37`	`CGA`	`where does the m 128 create the memory used? swap?`
`14:42.51`	`CGA`	`or a file that use like VM?`
`14:42.58`	`dererk`	`both, swap or ram`
`14:43.07`	`dererk`	`s/or/and/`
`14:43.16`	`dererk`	`depending which is available`
`14:44.42`	`CGA`	`ok i put 512 then`
`14:44.47`	`CGA`	`i wanted to put 1gb`
`14:44.56`	`CGA`	`but i fear it is too much`
`14:44.59`	`dererk`	`lol`
`14:45.05`	`dererk`	`Yes, it IS`
`14:45.09`	`CGA`	`:P`
`14:45.25`	`dererk`	`cause it really doesn't use all of 1`
`14:45.30`	`dererk`	`s/1/it/`
`14:46.16`	`CGA`	`dererk, i see but since i don't have the kqemu kernel module i want to speed up things with the mem`
`14:47.20`	`dererk`	`I compiled and It's not much faster :-\`
`14:48.01`	`CGA`	`ok nice to know :P`
`14:48.04`	`CGA`	`try xen`
`14:48.23`	`CGA`	`s/o says it s faster than qemu`
`14:48.36`	`dererk`	`s/0 ?`
`14:48.46`	`dererk`	`never mind`
`14:48.47`	`dererk`	`:)`
`14:49.05`	`CGA`	`someone`
`14:49.17`	`CGA`	`qemu -cdrom -m 512 -k "it" -localtime=cet /home/cga/smgl-0.9.5-i486.iso`
`14:49.17`	`CGA`	`--what you think?`
`14:49.53`	`CGA`	`dererk, i asked in #qemu and they say that it recognize the net automatically`
`14:49.59`	`CGA`	`i'll try`
`14:50.20`	`dererk`	`try it`
`14:51.20`	`CGA`	`i'm reading the net options now . i wanto to make sure i have eth0`
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`15:16.03`	`THEoracle`	`hello all`
`15:16.09`	`THEoracle`	`g'mornin`
`15:18.06`	`CGA`	`dererk, how do i free my mouse from the qemu window?`
`15:21.07`	`CGA`	`dererk, ctrl+alt`
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`15:22.32`	`ee_lars`	`PenKoad : (x)`
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`15:31.00`	`dererk`	`CGA, control alt`
`15:31.13`	`CGA`	`dererk, ctrl+alt`
`15:31.19`	`CGA`	`^^`
`15:31.33`	`CGA`	`i just noticed that it says it in the window when you trap your mouse`
`15:32.23`	`dererk`	`ahm`
`15:32.24`	`dererk`	`xD`
`15:32.30`	`CGA`	`dererk, what about UML? i think it's coool , i want to try it but i can't find it in the apt-get of ubuntu`
`15:32.34`	`CGA`	`XD`
`15:32.48`	`dererk`	`Dia, Umbrelo`
`15:32.53`	`dererk`	`both are nice`
`15:33.03`	`CGA`	`BTW install of sourcemage is not difficult`
`15:33.16`	`CGA`	`dia?`
`15:33.22`	`CGA`	`umbrelo?`
`15:33.24`	`dererk`	`yes`
`15:33.30`	`dererk`	`Soft`
`15:33.48`	`CGA`	`the only dia i know is a diagrams and whatever drawing application`
`15:34.02`	`CGA`	`i dunno umbrelo`
`15:34.43`	`dererk`	`yes, that's dia`
`15:35.05`	`CGA`	`what has it to do with UserModeLinux?`
`15:35.16`	`CGA`	`UML = User Mode Linux`
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`15:36.47`	`dererk`	`LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL`
`15:36.52`	`CGA`	`??`
`15:37.19`	`CGA`	`what did you smoke today?`
`15:37.26`	`dererk`	`Uml is also known as "Unified Modeling Language"`
`15:37.31`	`dererk`	`In devel environment`
`15:37.35`	`dererk`	`It VERY common`
`15:37.43`	`dererk`	`s/it/it's/`
`15:37.53`	`CGA`	`oh ok`
`15:37.56`	`CGA`	`i know that too`
`15:38.22`	`CGA`	`big mistake here ^^`
`15:41.58`	`PenKoad`	`ee_lars, ping`
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`15:44.02`	`Thanatermesis`	`good morning`
`15:44.23`	`Thanatermesis`	`CGA, the gui for qemu is "qemu-launcher", a package on the Elive's repo's`
`15:45.18`	`CGA`	`thx Thanatermesis , do you have a link? i want to install it on my system`
`15:45.51`	`CGA`	`Thanatermesis, ciao BTW`
`15:49.40`	`Thanatermesis`	`CGA link.. mmh, im not sure.. google ask ;) but if you want the package, only use the Elive's repo's directly`
`15:50.51`	`CGA`	`Thanatermesis, eh eh`
`15:51.07`	`CGA`	`Thanatermesis, you have installed it on your system?`
`15:51.28`	`THEoracle`	`g'morning Thanatermesis`
`15:51.38`	`CGA`	`if so , just open it and see "about" there should be the link there`
`15:55.05`	`Thanatermesis`	`CGA yeah, i have the gui installed :)`
`15:55.10`	`Thanatermesis`	`'morning THEoracle`
`15:55.18`	`CGA`	`Thanatermesis, , just open it and see "about" there should be the link there`
`15:55.50`	`THEoracle`	`been working on trying out the gaming aspects of 0.4`
`15:55.58`	`Thanatermesis`	`only show's the email`
`15:56.55`	`CGA`	`arrr that sucks`
`15:56.58`	`CGA`	`give me the email`
`15:57.20`	`THEoracle`	`have had good luck with directx9 only windows games in Cedega`
`15:57.56`	`THEoracle`	`about to have to goto work tho :-(`
`15:59.19`	`THEoracle`	`i'll see you guys later`
`16:01.41`	`Thanatermesis`	`http://linux.softpedia.com/progDownload/Qemu-launcher-Download-7122.html CGA`
`16:02.31`	`CGA`	`thx Thanatermesis`
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`16:05.45`	`CGA`	`Thanatermesis, same of this http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=523 ?`
`16:17.59`	`ee_lars`	`PenKoad : pong`
`16:18.53`	`PenKoad`	`t'as mis le temps (x)`
`16:19.03`	`PenKoad`	`;)`
`16:19.46`	`PenKoad`	`je grave un dvd pour un pote, j'ai avancé sur le script, je t'envoie un beta bientôt :p`
`16:19.58`	`Thanatermesis`	`PenKoad tu grave un DVD a partir de Elive 0.4 ?`
`16:20.14`	`Thanatermesis`	`wb mariodebian`
`16:20.17`	`PenKoad`	`nope sorry Thanatermesis`
`16:20.32`	`Thanatermesis`	`:/`
`16:20.41`	`PenKoad`	`e17 under Ubuntu, my elive got broken yesterday`
`16:20.41`	`Thanatermesis`	`i think to dererk is testing it...`
`16:20.52`	`Thanatermesis`	`e17 + ubuntu ? :SS`
`16:20.57`	`Thanatermesis`	`xD`
`16:30.41`	`ee_lars`	`PenKoad : great!`
`16:31.21`	`PenKoad`	`Thanatermesis, ebuntu ! ;)`
`16:31.56`	`ee_lars`	`PenKoad : did you saw the ftp problem? :(`
`16:33.28`	`Thanatermesis`	`:S`
`16:33.48`	`ee_lars`	`lol`
`16:34.20`	`PenKoad`	`i have a lead but i cannot say if that may work :/`
`16:35.31`	`ee_lars`	`:/`
`16:35.58`	`ee_lars`	`must i remove all informations and restart PenKoad ?`
`16:36.18`	`PenKoad`	`no, just reset the files permissions`
`16:36.30`	`PenKoad`	`we were wrong yearlier`
`16:36.39`	`ee_lars`	`hummm`
`16:38.12`	`ee_lars`	`pas très logique cette histoire SOAPAGAY`
`16:38.47`	`Thanatermesis`	`"Key signature for Misc things for Elive"`
`16:38.50`	`Thanatermesis`	`this is correct ?`
`16:38.52`	`PenKoad`	`so sorry it's for you to have time to read the f.. manual`
`16:39.05`	`PenKoad`	`:D`
`16:40.05`	`ee_lars`	`loooool`
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`16:42.53`	`roxville_`	`PenKoad, how'd you break your elive?`
`16:43.03`	`roxville_`	`morrn morrn eddan :)`
`16:43.45`	`eddan`	`Hi, roxville_ :)`
`16:43.54`	`Thanatermesis`	`"Key signature for Misc things for Elive"`
`16:43.54`	`Thanatermesis`	`this is correct ?`
`16:44.51`	`ee_lars`	`hello roxville`
`16:44.56`	`ee_lars`	`_`
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`16:45.20`	`ee_lars`	`Thanatermesis : no`
`16:45.47`	`roxville_`	`hi ee_lars :)`
`16:45.53`	`Thanatermesis`	`ee_lars how its good then ?`
`16:45.59`	`ee_lars`	`hummmm nevermind`
`16:46.05`	`ee_lars`	`it can be correct :)`
`16:46.18`	`ee_lars`	`but 2 for in 1 sentance is bad :)`
`16:46.33`	`Thanatermesis`	`for + on then ?`
`16:46.41`	`Thanatermesis`	`"Key signature for Misc things on Elive"`
`16:47.09`	`roxville_`	`that's pretty good`
`16:47.10`	`ee_lars`	`maybe OF`
`16:47.25`	`roxville_`	`no, not "of"`
`16:47.32`	`Thanatermesis`	`ok :)`
`16:47.36`	`ee_lars`	`roxville_ is better than me in Eminem language :)`
`16:47.44`	`roxville_`	`lol`
`16:48.46`	`ee_lars`	`not Eminem -> eminem lol`
`16:48.58`	`eddan`	`You can drop the uppercase on 'Misc' as well.`
`16:49.07`	`ee_lars`	`apt shoot eminem`
`16:49.08`	`apt`	`ACTION shoots eminem in the eye with a spitwad!`
`16:49.33`	`PenKoad`	`hi roxville_ , i broke while installing (wrong fs allocation)`
`16:49.41`	`sinplomo`	`ee_lars, PenKoad , (x)`
`16:50.16`	`ee_lars`	`sinplomo (bah)`
`16:50.17`	`roxville_`	`oohhh... been there, done that!`
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`16:52.45`	`CGA`	`Thanatermesis, do you kow sourcemage? that is a very kewl goth distro not that shit of evilentity....`
`16:52.55`	`CGA`	`it has already E17 in his sources`
`16:52.59`	`Thanatermesis`	`lol`
`16:53.02`	`CGA`	`i'm trying to install it in qemu`
`16:53.04`	`CGA`	`:P`
`16:53.06`	`Thanatermesis`	`sourcemage ? no, i don't know`
`16:53.11`	`CGA`	`kewl`
`16:53.23`	`CGA`	`http://www.sourcemage.org/`
`16:53.28`	`Thanatermesis`	`but if is goth style and this things... i like to test it :)`
`16:53.36`	`CGA`	`try it , better than gentoo`
`16:53.37`	`roxville_`	`Thanatermesis, it's one of those source-based distros`
`16:53.40`	`Thanatermesis`	`in any case, i thing to EvilEntity is totally UNIQUE :)`
`16:53.50`	`CGA`	`lol`
`16:54.03`	`CGA`	`roxville_, indeed`
`16:54.16`	`CGA`	`i told him since he was talking about gentoo and wanted to try it`
`16:54.32`	`roxville_`	`i was too nooby when i tried to install it, so i never made it`
`16:54.32`	`Thanatermesis`	`i have speaked with egrub the last day, about evilentity.. it needs some newest pacakges... if is posible... but i can posible to make a new version of tezcatlipotix in the future :)`
`16:54.35`	`CGA`	`i used gentoo and i like it but i think tha SM it is really better`
`16:55.12`	`CGA`	`Thanatermesis, leave that shit alone :P`
`16:55.30`	`Thanatermesis`	`CGA if you speak to is a shit is because you don't have tested... or tested more than 1 minute ;)`
`16:55.52`	`CGA`	`Thanatermesis, try SM on qemu (i was joking i don't know evil and i never used it)`
`16:56.01`	`CGA`	`i'm installing right now`
`16:56.06`	`CGA`	`on qemu`
`16:56.07`	`Thanatermesis`	`link ?`
`16:56.13`	`CGA`	`http://www.sourcemage.org/`
`16:56.37`	`Thanatermesis`	`apart of the oldest, you don't imagine HOW to fast and like is on my old computer :)`
`16:57.03`	`CGA`	`i might try it on my old P MMX 166MHz`
`16:57.19`	`CGA`	`unfortunately SM is 486+`
`16:57.43`	`roxville_`	`i thought SM was 686`
`16:57.46`	`Thanatermesis`	`<Thanatermesis> wow!, on my 360 Mhz laptop i have the X server sucking 0.3 of CPU, Eterm 0.1 % and E16 with the "waves" effect using 0.0 %`
`16:58.40`	`CGA`	`roxville_, no =)`
`17:00.02`	`CGA`	`Thanatermesis, you know how to configure network emulation with qemu?`
`17:00.13`	`CGA`	`a friend of mine hjas problems`
`17:00.32`	`CGA`	`he installed SM fine but now he want ot use it in qemu but no netwrok`
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`17:02.09`	`Thanatermesis`	`just "-user-net" on parameters i think, CGA`
`17:02.09`	`roxville_`	`elive is now no.49 on the distrowatch list... source mage is no.96`
`17:02.14`	`roxville_`	`:)`
`17:02.18`	`Thanatermesis`	`CGA of course, with the gui is a lot more easy :)`
`17:02.34`	`Thanatermesis`	`roxville_ oh... i install one Elive on qemu then :)`
`17:02.36`	`CGA`	`eh he`
`17:02.41`	`CGA`	`lol`
`17:02.57`	`Insipid`	`hmm, any of you know a bit about deinterlacing.. wondering if i would be better off putting my tv card in a linux distro`
`17:03.33`	`roxville_`	`what card is it?`
`17:03.45`	`Insipid`	`happauge pvr-150`
`17:04.18`	`roxville_`	`that sounds like it should work... hauppage cards are all over the place in linux`
`17:04.47`	`Insipid`	`i don't really know much about interlaced video, but i do know in my current windows setup i get insane artifacts on any algorythm but the oh so blurry scaler bob`
`17:05.23`	`Insipid`	`wondering if the linux drivers are supposed to be more suitable?`
`17:05.47`	`Thanatermesis`	`try it ;)`
`17:05.54`	`Thanatermesis`	`isntall "xawtv"`
`17:06.14`	`roxville_`	`Thanatermesis, i don't think he has linux at all?`
`17:06.20`	`Thanatermesis`	`and if don't works on the first step... ask google just "pvr-150 debian"`
`17:06.34`	`Insipid`	`i can get it roxville_ ive used it several times`
`17:06.42`	`Insipid`	`i usually use debian`
`17:06.49`	`Insipid`	`but i can use any distro`
`17:07.07`	`Thanatermesis`	`xdtv - Video4Linux Stream Capture Viewer and Decoder`
`17:07.22`	`Insipid`	`what is the equivilant to dshow`
`17:07.24`	`roxville_`	`try elive, ... but you need to wait a few days for the new version`
`17:07.31`	`Insipid`	`i think this microsoft dshow crap is my problem`
`17:07.34`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt show dshow`
`17:07.46`	`Thanatermesis`	`a... a microsoft thing ?`
`17:07.54`	`Insipid`	`supposedly?`
`17:07.55`	`Thanatermesis`	`of course, microsoft programas has a very ugly codecs`
`17:07.58`	`Insipid`	`dshow9`
`17:08.00`	`roxville_`	`lol`
`17:08.05`	`Thanatermesis`	`yeah, its true roxville_`
`17:08.14`	`Thanatermesis`	`the codecs needs a "licensce"`
`17:08.34`	`Insipid`	`does this have anything to do with interlacing a live video?`
`17:08.39`	`Insipid`	`er deinterlacing`
`17:09.00`	`Thanatermesis`	`and the developers of software on windows, don't posible to pay for this codecs, then use a strange codec found in a remote site, a "experiment to codec" died project crappy... or buy the less price codec`
`17:09.47`	`Thanatermesis`	`Insipid if you are on elive, try cinelerra... is a very powerfull tool for video, it captures video from a TV card, i think to not exist a better thing on linux than cinelerra :)`
`17:09.53`	`Thanatermesis`	`for the video things`
`17:09.57`	`Insipid`	`this is a live cd right?`
`17:10.05`	`Thanatermesis`	`im sure to it has for deinterlacing things`
`17:10.16`	`Thanatermesis`	`more a distro than a liveCD, but perfectly a liveCD yes`
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`17:13.14`	`roxville_`	`Insipid, if you have enough ram, you can install the TV app of choice and try it from the live cd`
`17:14.11`	`Insipid`	`i got a gig`
`17:14.23`	`Insipid`	`not sure if thats enough`
`17:14.46`	`ee_lars`	`PenKoad : i read the 'frucklin' manual but no way to solve the problem :/`
`17:15.07`	`PenKoad`	`that because your such a (x)`
`17:15.23`	`Insipid`	`damn manual writers! we can blame them!`
`17:15.24`	`PenKoad`	`s/that/that's/`
`17:15.36`	`PenKoad`	`s/your/you're/`
`17:16.25`	`ee_lars`	`lol`
`17:16.32`	`PenKoad`	`ee_lars, don't try, do it or do not ! But don't try... :D`
`17:16.48`	`ee_lars`	`apt : the PenKoad's right hand :)`
`17:16.54`	`Insipid`	`says the great yoda`
`17:17.03`	`PenKoad`	`right on ;)`
`17:17.06`	`roxville_`	`Insipid, for elive + some extra apps... that's more than enough :)`
`17:17.21`	`PenKoad`	`ee_lars, is stil a young apprentice`
`17:17.23`	`Insipid`	`nod i guess ill end up giving it a try after the next update`
`17:17.27`	`Insipid`	`padawan`
`17:17.34`	`PenKoad`	`:p`
`17:17.49`	`roxville_`	`Insipid, http://linux.bytesex.org/xawtv/ <-- seems like a cool app... it's run from a terminal though`
`17:18.45`	`Insipid`	`hehe im a big boy i dont need a gui! :)`
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`17:19.34`	`Thanatermesis`	`http://mythtv.org/modules.php?name=MythFeatures`
`17:20.39`	`Thanatermesis`	`the "mediacenter" of windows is copied from this (or freevo, another similar project)`
`17:21.32`	`Rasko\|nikov`	`Thanatermesis, quieres jugar al quake3?`
`17:21.44`	`Thanatermesis`	`Rasko\|nikov uf.. no no, que tengo mucho work xD`
`17:21.58`	`Rasko\|nikov`	`yo tb, por eso kiero jugar xD`
`17:22.02`	`Thanatermesis`	`ademas... los mata-mata no me molan mucho xD`
`17:22.08`	`ee_lars`	`LUTAIN ILS COMMENCENT A ME GAVER TOUS CES CRONSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS`
`17:22.18`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt cron`
`17:22.20`	`apt`	`well, cron is a program which allows for the management of regular background processing, or 'man 5 crontab'`
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`17:26.45`	`Insipid`	`man i wish i could just trash windows and never see it again..`
`17:27.01`	`Insipid`	`sometimes it sucks to be a programming student`
`17:27.10`	`ee_lars`	`PenKoad : j'ai vu nulle part le fait de mettre les virtual users proprio des repertoires du ftp`
`17:27.18`	`ee_lars`	`encore une technique de (x)`
`17:27.55`	`PenKoad`	`ben oui c'est pour ça que je t'ai dit de faire machine arrière`
`17:27.58`	`PenKoad`	`:p`
`17:31.17`	`ee_lars`	`lol donc je remets virtual proprio de tout?`
`17:32.04`	`CGA`	`Thanatermesis, qemu -boot d -cdrom $PATH/smgl-0.9.5-i486.iso -m 512 -k "es" -user-net -nics 1 -hda $PATH/hard-disk.img`
`17:32.04`	`CGA`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`17:51.43`	`sinplomo`	`Thanatermesis, conoces la empresa que hace PowerDVD ( para windows )`
`17:51.45`	`sinplomo`	`?`
`17:53.08`	`Thanatermesis`	`yo ? xDDDD`
`17:53.14`	`Thanatermesis`	`como quieres que lo conozca ?`
`17:53.27`	`Thanatermesis`	`si tan solo e oido hablar de powerdvd y gracias xD`
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`17:54.30`	`_kender_`	`hello`
`17:55.31`	`sinplomo`	`Thanatermesis, pues esa empresa tiene un mediacenter tambien ... y va a sacar una version linux`
`17:55.37`	`sinplomo`	`cerrada y de pago claro`
`17:55.38`	`sinplomo`	`xDD`
`17:55.46`	`sinplomo`	`Thanatermesis, el oxine tambien es un poco media center`
`17:55.47`	`sinplomo`	`xD`
`17:56.22`	`Thanatermesis`	`pse, no interesa a nadie con el mythtv (que por cierto, no lo veo muy optimizado la verdad...)`
`17:56.53`	`sinplomo`	`lo que me ha gustado del mythtv es la parte de games`
`17:56.54`	`sinplomo`	`xDDD`
`17:56.58`	`sinplomo`	`de emuladores y tal`
`17:59.31`	`Thanatermesis`	`games ? no me fije...`
`17:59.52`	`Thanatermesis`	`pero yo lo probe... y sinceramente, bah, sera muy bonito y completo... pero no es lo mas optimizado que existe`
`18:03.47`	`sinplomo`	`a que te refieres con optimizado ?`
`18:04.17`	`sinplomo`	`Thanatermesis, pero supongo que tanto freevo como mythtv seran scripts en python o perl ... o algo asi`
`18:04.18`	`sinplomo`	`bastante personalizables`
`18:04.25`	`Thanatermesis`	`pues que solo tienes que ver como carga las imagenes o la musica, va lento, feo... etc`
`18:04.48`	`Thanatermesis`	`pse, nose... de todas formas no es mi estilo de programas`
`18:17.17`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt vi`
`18:17.19`	`apt`	`from memory, vi is the best text editor in the world.`
`18:17.21`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt vim`
`18:17.22`	`apt`	`rumour has it, vim is better than emacs`
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`18:48.48`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt plone`
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`19:04.21`	`fronter`	`hi all`
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`19:08.02`	`PenKoad`	`ee_lars, ping`
`19:09.21`	`ee_lars`	`PenKoad : pong, avec un petit flip`
`19:09.25`	`ee_lars`	`:D`
`19:09.31`	`PenKoad`	`pas de fourchette !`
`19:09.33`	`PenKoad`	`;)`
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`19:12.36`	`ee_lars`	`lol`
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`19:13.09`	`ee_lars`	`vais jouer un peu (x)`
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`19:20.00`	`PenKoad`	`bon ee_lars tu relèveras ta boite à lettre`
`19:20.11`	`PenKoad`	`c'est le premier jet`
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`20:42.22`	`IcedEarth`	`http://www.techbutlers.co.uk/elive0.4/mimetest`
`20:42.54`	`Thanatermesis`	`good :)`
`20:43.37`	`IcedEarth`	`I will do one for Xfe`
`20:43.40`	`IcedEarth`	`as well`
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`20:49.34`	`Thanatermesis`	`.doc (no meaningful ICON in evidence)`
`20:49.36`	`Thanatermesis`	`ugly icon ?`
`20:51.08`	`Thanatermesis`	`IcedEarth, on evidence, in the ".xls" icon file... can you posible to look me what "application/x-xls" has on the "middle button" clickin ?`
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`21:06.17`	`wfx`	`maybe i folow ;)`
`21:06.23`	`ee_lars`	`PenKoad : je regarde ton geekcode :)`
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`21:13.16`	`IcedEarth`	`sorry i was away`
`21:14.50`	`ee_lars`	`Thanatermesis : did you knew that Penkoad is able to speak Chinese?`
`21:15.22`	`IcedEarth`	`it doesnt have that field`
`21:15.25`	`IcedEarth`	`on middle click`
`21:15.27`	`IcedEarth`	`on .xls`
`21:15.30`	`IcedEarth`	`sorry I was feeding the dog`
`21:16.10`	`IcedEarth`	`no meaningful con means`
`21:16.17`	`Thanatermesis`	`no same to this ? http://elivecd.org/gb/Main/Screenshots/_previews/elive-8.jpg.html`
`21:16.29`	`Thanatermesis`	`(first rectangle, final options... MIME)`
`21:16.37`	`IcedEarth`	`that it is general DATA`
`21:16.38`	`IcedEarth`	`icond`
`21:16.42`	`IcedEarth`	`not Excel`
`21:16.47`	`IcedEarth`	`or something`
`21:17.21`	`IcedEarth`	`ill send screenshot`
`21:17.34`	`Thanatermesis`	`ok`
`21:18.06`	`quidam-`	`Thanatermesis, feo :d`
`21:18.27`	`Thanatermesis`	`quidam- fea`
`21:18.33`	`Thanatermesis`	`ee_lars what ?chinese ?`
`21:18.36`	`quidam-`	`xDDDDDDDDDDDDD`
`21:19.31`	`ee_lars`	`loool`
`21:19.42`	`ee_lars`	`no he just gave me his script`
`21:19.43`	`IcedEarth`	`ah in that case its`
`21:19.48`	`ee_lars`	`i don't understand nothing :)`
`21:19.55`	`IcedEarth`	`application/excel`
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`21:23.21`	`IcedEarth`	`http://www.techbutlers.co.uk/elive0.4/screenshot2.png`
`21:26.16`	`roxville_`	`Thanatermesis, did you put a lot of the dll's in the wine dir?`
`21:27.48`	`IcedEarth`	`oh and i forgot to say that .exe runs gmplayer in Evidence`
`21:27.59`	`IcedEarth`	`alright roxville`
`21:28.03`	`IcedEarth`	`ow r ya`
`21:28.31`	`Thanatermesis`	`roxville_ i don't really know how to wine works... i don't have used it very, i don't use this things, hehe`
`21:28.52`	`IcedEarth`	`Winamp runs great in Linux with wINE`
`21:29.08`	`Thanatermesis`	`excel ? i make a look...`
`21:31.23`	`Thanatermesis`	`ok, added`
`21:31.31`	`IcedEarth`	`great :)`
`21:31.36`	`roxville_`	`hiya IcedEarth i'm good thanks, how are you doing?`
`21:31.42`	`IcedEarth`	`im okay thanks`
`21:31.48`	`IcedEarth`	`how was your gig?`
`21:32.29`	`IcedEarth`	`About the .doc Icon, it just means that is a standard DATA icon`
`21:32.32`	`IcedEarth`	`??`
`21:32.45`	`roxville_`	`Thanatermesis, i don't know much either... but i know you need to add dll's by yourself... you can get a lot of the at the wine projects home page`
`21:33.31`	`roxville_`	`my gig was kinda slow... still i got a $40 tip... not bad for a slow night`
`21:34.57`	`Thanatermesis`	`and its free roxville_ ?`
`21:35.20`	`Thanatermesis`	`speak me about this a little after.. i need to go fastly for some minutes`
`21:35.50`	`roxville_`	`yes Thanatermesis you can d/l a dll pack`
`21:35.58`	`roxville_`	`ok, see ya`
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`21:37.16`	`IcedEarth`	`woah`
`21:37.25`	`IcedEarth`	`that just came crashing down`
`21:37.28`	`IcedEarth`	`I had to cold rebot`
`21:37.40`	`IcedEarth`	`by using on / off switch`
`21:37.44`	`IcedEarth`	`the whole thing just froze`
`21:37.51`	`roxville_`	`not good... talk to Thana about this`
`21:37.52`	`IcedEarth`	`after clicking on playlist from Audio CD in XMMS`
`21:38.08`	`IcedEarth`	`Do you work behind a bar roxville?`
`21:38.37`	`roxville_`	`or... we need to start using trac,`
`21:39.18`	`IcedEarth`	`im going to see if it happens again`
`21:39.22`	`roxville_`	`IcedEarth, no, i'm a musician... mostly solo-entertainer stuff... you know...dude with acoustic guitar`
`21:39.33`	`IcedEarth`	`nice`
`21:39.42`	`IcedEarth`	`I can play some pink floyd`
`21:39.43`	`roxville_`	`it's ok :)`
`21:39.48`	`IcedEarth`	`as a party piece`
`21:40.06`	`roxville_`	`which one?...hmmm wish you were here?`
`21:40.11`	`IcedEarth`	`yup`
`21:40.16`	`roxville_`	`:)`
`21:40.18`	`IcedEarth`	`and Is there anybody out there`
`21:40.20`	`Thanatermesis`	`roxville_ i can posible to add a package with dll's, is posible... if is legal`
`21:40.24`	`IcedEarth`	`the bit where he smashes the room up`
`21:40.49`	`roxville_`	`oh yeah, i love that one`
`21:41.01`	`Thanatermesis`	`roxville_ in any case, the autolauncher needs a better autolaucnhement of the windows things.. i need some beta-testers to verify it with all Cd's`
`21:41.04`	`Thanatermesis`	`posible of win`
`21:41.06`	`Thanatermesis`	`ok , bbl`
`21:42.38`	`IcedEarth`	`Okay, its this`
`21:42.51`	`IcedEarth`	`If you insert a Audio CD, the first track is the album name`
`21:42.54`	`IcedEarth`	`not a track on the CD`
`21:43.02`	`IcedEarth`	`and if you click on it`
`21:43.04`	`IcedEarth`	`it crashes`
`21:43.24`	`IcedEarth`	`but it never happened this time`
`21:43.26`	`IcedEarth`	`so ill shut up`
`21:43.52`	`roxville_`	`lol`
`21:44.51`	`IcedEarth`	`ill go and test`
`21:45.02`	`IcedEarth`	`some xfe mimetypes and make myself useful`
`21:45.14`	`roxville_`	`i think i have seen a dll-pack for wine... can someone help me look to see if we can find it?`
`21:45.24`	`IcedEarth`	`what dlls are they then`
`21:45.24`	`roxville_`	`or if it was just my imagination...`
`21:45.33`	`IcedEarth`	`are they ones that you have to have a windows licence`
`21:45.48`	`roxville_`	`it's like standard dll's to make things work`
`21:45.51`	`roxville_`	`basic apps`
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`21:46.16`	`roxville_`	`i know ms has changed a lot of shit... and apps are actually LOOKING for wine code now`
`21:46.52`	`IcedEarth`	`why the focus on wine`
`21:46.53`	`IcedEarth`	`?`
`21:48.00`	`roxville_`	`just to see how good we can make it :)`
`21:48.02`	`IcedEarth`	`http://www.sdconsult.no/linux/wine-doc/arch-dlls.html`
`21:48.11`	`roxville_`	`this would be nice, google earth:`
`21:48.15`	`roxville_`	`http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Install_GoogleEarth_with_wine`
`21:48.39`	`IcedEarth`	`i love it when they`
`21:48.45`	`IcedEarth`	`put dates on things`
`21:48.47`	`IcedEarth`	`:P`
`21:48.52`	`IcedEarth`	`ah`
`21:48.53`	`IcedEarth`	`i see`
`21:48.59`	`IcedEarth`	`why dont they just write one for linux`
`21:49.01`	`IcedEarth`	`or in Java`
`21:49.11`	`IcedEarth`	`kin land of Win32`
`21:49.58`	`roxville_`	`i agree`
`21:50.31`	`IcedEarth`	`have you tried to run Google Earth`
`21:50.37`	`IcedEarth`	`my laptop would never make it`
`21:50.47`	`roxville_`	`no no, i just started looking in to it`
`21:51.01`	`IcedEarth`	`ill download it and run it for a laugh`
`21:51.19`	`roxville_`	`you know... "just coz..."`
`21:51.39`	`IcedEarth`	`yes`
`21:51.50`	`IcedEarth`	`I suppose`
`21:51.54`	`IcedEarth`	`its educational and that`
`21:52.05`	`IcedEarth`	`My passion is a clean desktop`
`21:52.07`	`IcedEarth`	`that works`
`21:52.16`	`IcedEarth`	`Thats why I worry the menus`
`21:52.16`	`IcedEarth`	`a`
`21:52.21`	`IcedEarth`	`maybe are getting too big`
`21:52.31`	`IcedEarth`	`please dont let it get like`
`21:52.34`	`IcedEarth`	`the other linux`
`21:52.36`	`IcedEarth`	`distros`
`21:52.49`	`IcedEarth`	`One video player`
`21:52.54`	`IcedEarth`	`one that works`
`21:52.55`	`IcedEarth`	`gmplayer`
`21:52.59`	`IcedEarth`	`maybe`
`21:56.11`	`roxville_`	`lol`
`21:56.28`	`IcedEarth`	`i just worry thats all`
`21:56.34`	`IcedEarth`	`but I suppose its all configurable`
`21:56.38`	`IcedEarth`	`in the menu manager`
`21:56.38`	`roxville_`	`i know, and i agree`
`21:56.49`	`IcedEarth`	`It must stay lean and efficient`
`21:57.22`	`roxville_`	`yes`
`21:58.17`	`roxville_`	`i'm not sure even why thana included it, but i tried it today, and it ran surprisingly well... until i got stuck on a dll...`
`21:58.31`	`roxville_`	`so i'm just messing around a little`
`21:58.33`	`IcedEarth`	`ok`
`21:58.40`	`IcedEarth`	`im not to judge`
`21:58.52`	`IcedEarth`	`ive lost the menu editor`
`21:58.54`	`IcedEarth`	`whats it called`
`21:59.03`	`roxville_`	`would be awesome to run a couple of music apps that are win-native`
`21:59.13`	`roxville_`	`entangle`
`21:59.22`	`IcedEarth`	`ta`
`21:59.31`	`roxville_`	`np`
`21:59.31`	`IcedEarth`	`yes, I use fruity loops very occasionally`
`22:00.09`	`roxville_`	`yes FL would be fun to run from elive instead of having to boot into xp`
`22:00.24`	`roxville_`	`i hate xp`
`22:00.38`	`IcedEarth`	`well it has its place in the world`
`22:00.43`	`IcedEarth`	`but not my world ;)`
`22:01.25`	`IcedEarth`	`when I right click on something in entangle`
`22:01.28`	`IcedEarth`	`it crashes`
`22:02.08`	`*** join/#elive rookmoot (n=rookmoot@ANantes-256-1-15-68.w86-195.abo.wanadoo.fr)`
`22:02.34`	`IcedEarth`	`glibc detected *corrupted double-linked list: 0x0813efe8 *`
`22:02.48`	`roxville_`	`IcedEarth, could i give you a little picec of advice?`
`22:02.52`	`IcedEarth`	`yes`
`22:02.55`	`IcedEarth`	`whats that then`
`22:03.00`	`roxville_`	`don't right-click in entangle`
`22:03.04`	`IcedEarth`	`ok`
`22:03.06`	`IcedEarth`	`how do I remove`
`22:03.08`	`IcedEarth`	`icons`
`22:03.09`	`IcedEarth`	`from the list`
`22:03.14`	`IcedEarth`	`I swear I used to right click`
`22:03.28`	`roxville_`	`you have to do it from the config files`
`22:03.33`	`IcedEarth`	`oh`
`22:03.33`	`roxville_`	`sooooo silly`
`22:03.35`	`IcedEarth`	`:(`
`22:03.40`	`roxville_`	`but... it's a fact`
`22:03.42`	`IcedEarth`	`neva mind`
`22:05.21`	`roxville_`	`bbiab`
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`22:41.48`	`IcedEarth`	`does anyone use the calender`
`22:41.53`	`IcedEarth`	`module?`
`22:45.37`	`*** join/#elive IcedEarth (n=Elive_us@212.42.191.250)`
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`23:52.06`	`roxville_`	`not a good night to be on the computer... see you guys later`

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