irclog2html for #elive on 20060214

`00:00.07`	`pyc`	`gtg, bye for now...`
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`00:30.50`	`Strider`	`anybody home?`
`00:31.01`	`Gwildor`	`yo`
`00:31.46`	`Strider`	`Hi Gwildor: on my e16.7 my engage is not fully transparent, is there anyway to make it such?`
`00:32.23`	`Strider`	`do u use enlightenment?`
`00:32.35`	`Gwildor`	`Strider, is this a "self launched" engage?`
`00:32.39`	`Gwildor`	`or the one from boot?`
`00:32.59`	`Strider`	`from boot`
`00:33.23`	`Gwildor`	`i "lost" my boot engage (spawns ofsfcreen somewhere) and have to launch my own that is not fully transparent`
`00:33.33`	`Gwildor`	`however, i havent looked into fixing it yet...`
`00:33.46`	`Gwildor`	`its weird to me that they arent the same........as the icons are different too`
`00:33.57`	`Gwildor`	`well, XMMS icon is different.,,,layout is the same`
`00:34.05`	`Gwildor`	`"this jsut happened today, a few hours ago`
`00:34.05`	`Strider`	`yes, I had that experience b4, I cycled back by Thana's advice to an earlier enlightenment`
`00:34.16`	`Gwildor`	`???`
`00:34.19`	`Gwildor`	`using apt?`
`00:34.25`	`Strider`	`yes`
`00:34.49`	`Strider`	`he said not to use the e16 elive version but go back to just enlightenment`
`00:35.17`	`Strider`	`so I did synapic and took it out...now transparency is gone`
`00:35.29`	`Gwildor`	`16.8 is elive.....go back to 16.7?`
`00:35.45`	`Gwildor`	`hmm, thana should know the answer right away.....may have to wait for him...`
`00:35.50`	`Strider`	`yes, his suggestion about 2 hours ago`
`00:36.08`	`Gwildor`	`Strider, if not, ill look into it tomarrow morn....im playing with Mpentoo rightnow...`
`00:36.15`	`Gwildor`	`although it IS using E17`
`00:36.24`	`Strider`	`ok`
`00:36.48`	`Strider`	`no biggy really just being a perfectionist`
`00:37.00`	`Strider`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:37.18`	`Gwildor`	`heh, same thing i said`
`00:37.26`	`Gwildor`	`i almost like it the way it is`
`00:37.41`	`Gwildor`	`there is always ~/.engage`
`00:37.46`	`Gwildor`	`can check there`
`00:37.48`	`Strider`	`me too, just want to know where the engage changer would be`
`00:38.10`	`Gwildor`	`well, since its not a module, you cant jsut "right click on it" like in E17`
`00:38.22`	`Strider`	`true`
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`00:38.53`	`Strider`	`I think it really has the background from an earlier wallpaper`
`00:39.22`	`Strider`	`Ill be back later`
`00:39.25`	`Strider`	`sbye`
`00:44.55`	`roxville`	`there were probs with 16.8`
`00:45.12`	`Gwildor`	`to me and strider?`
`00:45.12`	`roxville`	`so thana chose 16.7 instead`
`00:45.21`	`roxville`	`yeah, i guess`
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`01:13.22`	`Strider`	`Thanatermesis: are you available?`
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`01:15.50`	`Gwildor`	`yo...WB`
`01:16.01`	`Strider`	`Gwilder: hi`
`01:16.35`	`Strider`	`I'm still trying to get the engage background to be transparent`
`01:17.48`	`Gwildor`	`:P`
`01:17.53`	`Gwildor`	`im still in pentoo`
`01:18.17`	`Strider`	`pentoo is a small distro isnt it?`
`01:18.46`	`egrub`	`pentoo is basado in gentoo`
`01:18.46`	`Gwildor`	`ya`
`01:18.50`	`Gwildor`	`for pendrives`
`01:19.02`	`Strider`	`how big is it? Is it a live cd?`
`01:19.09`	`egrub`	`Yes live cd`
`01:19.38`	`LinuxNIT-laptop`	`Gwildor, how big is pentoo?`
`01:19.46`	`Gwildor`	`jeez, idk`
`01:19.50`	`Strider`	`Hi Raf...`
`01:19.50`	`Gwildor`	`iso is at work...`
`01:19.57`	`LinuxNIT-laptop`	`lol ill go look i up`
`01:19.57`	`Gwildor`	`tell me how to cehck form CLI...ill tell you`
`01:20.09`	`LinuxNIT-laptop`	`:)`
`01:20.38`	`Strider`	`its how u use your pen...`
`01:20.45`	`Gwildor`	`????`
`01:20.54`	`Gwildor`	`AHHH>...funny`
`01:21.13`	`LinuxNIT-laptop`	`190MB`
`01:21.16`	`LinuxNIT-laptop`	`:)`
`01:21.35`	`Strider`	`Do you like pentoo is it worth getting?`
`01:21.58`	`Gwildor`	`i love it...STABLE as hell E17`
`01:22.12`	`Strider`	`cool I will get it then`
`01:22.26`	`Strider`	`but i dont know gentoo at all`
`01:22.34`	`Gwildor`	`heh, me neither`
`01:22.39`	`Strider`	`lol`
`01:22.45`	`Gwildor`	`live CD is good place to learn`
`01:23.01`	`Strider`	`good advise, I will try it`
`01:23.05`	`Gwildor`	`:)`
`01:23.23`	`Strider`	`bbl...gnight`
`01:23.31`	`Gwildor`	`Strider, remember, it is a pen testing tools, so there is alot of :hacker toodlds"`
`01:23.45`	`Strider`	`ok`
`01:23.55`	`Strider`	`me a hacker :P`
`01:23.58`	`Gwildor`	`:P`
`01:24.06`	`Gwildor`	`exuse`
`01:24.11`	`Gwildor`	`i tried to finsih before you signed off`
`01:47.01`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`hello there`
`01:47.16`	`roxville`	`hey KaKaRoTo-KS`
`01:47.27`	`roxville`	`how ya doing?`
`01:47.42`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`may I suggest something... have aMSN shipped with a few plugins (they take maybe 5KB each (uncompressed), not more)`
`01:47.45`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`I'm doing fine`
`01:48.04`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`have to study and I'm trying to find a way to avoid studies.. so I'm chilling on the net ;)`
`01:51.56`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`Thanatermesis : http://amsn.sourceforge.net/plugins.php <-- do NOT include amsn plus, it's the crappiest plugin ever made...`
`01:52.45`	`roxville`	`cool!`
`01:53.41`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`TexIM is cool but is 1.4MB (because of the Tex builder...)`
`01:54.05`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`growl is 200KB but is for Mac only, so...`
`01:54.10`	`roxville`	`lol`
`01:55.35`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`I can't find the 'games' plugin though.. it's a good plugin!`
`01:57.30`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`Games plugin found! : https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1414743&group_id=54091&atid=733148`
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`01:57.47`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`direct download : https://sourceforge.net/tracker/download.php?group_id=54091&atid=733148&file_id=165387&aid=1414743`
`01:58.08`	`Strider`	`hi, does anyone know where I can get the linux-headers for 2.6.12??`
`01:58.58`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`apt-cache search linux headers`
`01:59.58`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:59.58`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`linux-headers-2.6.12-1 - Common architecture-specific header files for Linux kernel 2.6.12`
`01:59.59`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`linux-headers-2.6.12-1-386 - Architecture-specific header files for Linux kernel 2.6.12 on 386-class machines`
`01:59.59`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`linux-headers-2.6.12-1-686 - Architecture-specific header files for Linux kernel 2.6.12 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4 machines`
`01:59.59`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`linux-headers-2.6.12-1-686-smp - Architecture-specific header files for Linux kernel 2.6.12 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4 SMP machines`
`02:00.01`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`linux-headers-2.6.12-1-k7 - Architecture-specific header files for Linux kernel 2.6.12 on AMD K7 machines`
`02:00.03`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`linux-headers-2.6.12-1-k7-smp - Architecture-specific header files for Linux kernel 2.6.12 on AMD K7 SMP machines`
`02:00.11`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`Strider: you 'apt-get install' the one you need..`
`02:01.09`	`Strider`	`these are not the right ones those are 2.6.12-1`
`02:02.06`	`Strider`	`uname -a says only 2.6.12`
`02:02.06`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`Strider: ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.12.tar.bz2`
`02:02.28`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`if yuou get the whole source, you'll be sure to have all the linux headers :P`
`02:02.29`	`Strider`	`will the elive patches work with it?`
`02:02.45`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`Strider: I have no idea, I'm a user like you :)`
`02:02.57`	`Strider`	`:\`
`02:03.01`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`if it's the same kernel version, it should..`
`02:03.06`	`Strider`	`ok`
`02:03.08`	`Strider`	`thanks`
`02:03.44`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`np`
`02:03.48`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`gtg, bye guys!`
`02:03.56`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`Thanatermesis: I hope you'll get those messages...`
`02:04.12`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`roxville: remind him about amsn plugins if he didn't get the chance to read my messages`
`02:04.16`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`thanx all, bye`
`02:05.56`	`Strider`	`wait, what apt-repos did you use to get those findings from apt-cache I get different ones`
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`02:09.05`	`roxville`	`ok KaKaRoTo-KS i will! thanks for your input :)`
`02:10.09`	`Mutacion`	`ese roc`
`02:10.17`	`roxville`	`ese mut`
`02:10.35`	`roxville`	`Mucation`
`02:20.58`	`roxville`	`guys, i have a sound problem... i hear a low noise when playing a ,ovie with the mplayer plugin... when i turn it up a bit... can someone please check it and see if it's the movie or my settings?`
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`02:21.02`	`roxville`	`http://roxville.no-ip.org/public_html/misc/CarCommercial.wmv`
`02:22.15`	`GPLGeek`	`roxville, ill check it`
`02:22.23`	`roxville`	`cool`
`02:23.07`	`Lightning_ThB`	`roxville: I've already seen that... won't fall for it twice XD`
`02:23.23`	`roxville`	`gotta tell ya thouigh... it scared the CRAP outta me`
`02:23.31`	`roxville`	`damn...`
`02:23.39`	`GPLGeek`	`movie doesn't work for me`
`02:23.54`	`roxville`	`ok, shit`
`02:23.58`	`roxville`	`no fun`
`02:24.13`	`roxville`	`:)`
`02:24.25`	`GPLGeek`	`what was it`
`02:24.57`	`roxville`	`Lightning_ThB, i have a private investigator job for you... there's a really neat distro that i tried today`
`02:25.10`	`roxville`	`dreamlinux from brazil`
`02:25.30`	`roxville`	`the icons are awesome! but i can't find out what they are`
`02:25.54`	`Lightning_ThB`	`Dreamlinux? Never seen it.`
`02:26.06`	`Lightning_ThB`	`I'll google it ^^`
`02:26.08`	`roxville`	`GPLGeek, it's a car commercial... and all of a sudden a monster jumps out and scares the hell outta you`
`02:26.14`	`roxville`	`hold on`
`02:26.24`	`Lightning_ThB`	`"what they are"? Is it hard to understand?`
`02:26.45`	`roxville`	`http://www.dreamlinux.com.br/`
`02:26.54`	`roxville`	`the name of the icon set`
`02:27.30`	`roxville`	`well my portuguese could need some "brushing up"`
`02:27.38`	`roxville`	`to put it mildly`
`02:28.07`	`Lightning_ThB`	`Let me see that...`
`02:29.42`	`roxville`	`i'll see if i can dig into the cd when i'm not running it...`
`02:30.14`	`Mutacion`	`:o`
`02:30.16`	`Mutacion`	`is amazing`
`02:30.32`	`roxville`	`Mutacion, did you try it?`
`02:30.41`	`roxville`	`looks cool eh?`
`02:31.04`	`Mutacion`	`nop..but its looks pretty cool`
`02:31.48`	`Mutacion`	`but i still prefer elive :P`
`02:32.06`	`roxville`	`of course!`
`02:32.40`	`tizoc`	`fa, ese flaco esta mutando!!`
`02:32.48`	`Mutacion`	`cual flaco?`
`02:32.59`	`Mutacion`	`uruguay?`
`02:33.05`	`tizoc`	`sip`
`02:33.12`	`Mutacion`	`ta bien lejos! haha`
`02:33.13`	`tizoc`	`jaja, vos sos el que esta mutando :P`
`02:33.26`	`Mutacion`	`una cosa es mutando.. y otra mutacion ok?`
`02:33.31`	`roxville`	`but they have that iconset... and an app called ceemedia... really neat app!`
`02:33.43`	`Mutacion`	`mm du u have some pics?`
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`02:34.08`	`Lightning_ThB`	`Dreamlinux seems nice ^^ XFCE with a cool interface (that makes its visual more KDE'ish)...`
`02:34.20`	`Mutacion`	`nd lighter`
`02:34.34`	`Lightning_ThB`	`The Studio edition is only available in english`
`02:36.45`	`Lightning_ThB`	`Bye`
`02:39.02`	`roxville`	`Lightning_ThB, thank you so much`
`02:39.26`	`roxville`	`the iconset seems to be called dreamos... i guess they made it themselves...`
`02:39.48`	`Lightning_ThB`	`That's why they are new to me...`
`02:40.17`	`Lightning_ThB`	`They sound a lot like KDE's Crystal, with the blue translucid visual...`
`02:40.50`	`Lightning_ThB`	`Try the distro to see if it's good`
`02:41.03`	`roxville`	`i did, it's pretty neat`
`02:41.24`	`roxville`	`especially ceemedia... a catalog app for movies... soo neat!`
`02:41.43`	`Lightning_ThB`	`Nice.`
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`02:42.03`	`Lightning_ThB`	`And it must be light too...`
`02:42.09`	`roxville`	`i opened a avi "pirates of silicon valley" and did a search on it in the app... it went to imdb and another place, i think`
`02:42.31`	`Strider`	`hi, anyone know which kernel headers to use with the 04 pre? and where can I get them?`
`02:42.32`	`roxville`	`i chose the right one, and bam, all the data was imported`
`02:42.40`	`Lightning_ThB`	`This is really nice!`
`02:42.51`	`roxville`	`then i did another search for the cover and bam!, there it was!`
`02:43.02`	`Strider`	`Hi Rox...greetings`
`02:43.23`	`roxville`	`and the cute part is... it has a "virtual" movie shelf! like in a video rental store`
`02:43.26`	`roxville`	`:)`
`02:43.35`	`roxville`	`hey Strider :)`
`02:43.49`	`Lightning_ThB`	`Brazilian-like thing... easy... to make it easy to build your own copy with a DVD recorder ^^`
`02:44.52`	`Lightning_ThB`	`I think it uses 2.6.12 ... but HOW it is configured, I have no idea...`
`02:45.09`	`Lightning_ThB`	`It's certainly not the default 2.6.12.`
`02:45.14`	`Strider`	`uname -a says elive 2.6.12 #1 is the kernel but I can't find the headers and I need them to get my wireless card cooking`
`02:47.01`	`Strider`	`I always get angry when the headers are not in the repos...I can't figure that out`
`02:47.14`	`Lightning_ThB`	`I guess elive's kernel headers are not in any repository...`
`02:47.14`	`roxville`	`yeah...`
`02:47.32`	`roxville`	`eshep, would you know anything on this subject?`
`02:47.49`	`Strider`	`I have been soured on many a distro for that reason...`
`02:48.26`	`Strider`	`open source means...DON"T F****NG HIDE THE HEADERS lol`
`02:48.33`	`Lightning_ThB`	`The version that shows is always the newest, so I guess disabling the official Debian repositories will show if there is elive's kernel headers available...`
`02:48.56`	`Strider`	`its not there...looked`
`02:49.03`	`eshep`	`im sorry, i thought they were included in the os...and repo as well`
`02:49.22`	`eshep`	`youll have to get with Thanatermesis on that one though`
`02:49.33`	`Lightning_ThB`	`Let me take a look here...`
`02:49.44`	`Strider`	`yeppers....thanks for the effort`
`02:50.49`	`roxville`	`Strider, the headers stop at 2.4... no headers at all for any 2.6 kernels...`
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`02:51.33`	`Strider`	`roxville: yes I noticed.... oh well, have to wait for more info from Thana...`
`02:52.22`	`Lightning_ThB`	`I haven't found the headers here...`
`02:52.26`	`roxville`	`yeah...`
`02:52.29`	`Strider`	`roxville, I am new to xchat how do you call a person with sound and red lettering?`
`02:52.39`	`roxville`	`aha!`
`02:52.43`	`Lightning_ThB`	`Just say its name`
`02:52.52`	`Lightning_ThB`	`It's automatic ^^`
`02:52.59`	`Strider`	`coolness`
`02:52.59`	`Lightning_ThB`	`Strider: Like this`
`02:53.09`	`roxville`	`type the first three or four letters, hit the tab key... auto completion`
`02:53.22`	`Lightning_ThB`	`I love that sound ^^`
`02:53.22`	`Strider`	`Lightning_ThB, like this?`
`02:53.24`	`roxville`	`and... you are doing it to me all the time`
`02:53.29`	`Lightning_ThB`	`Yup`
`02:53.34`	`Strider`	`cooooool`
`02:53.39`	`roxville`	`hehe`
`02:53.54`	`Strider`	`roxville, boo`
`02:54.05`	`roxville`	`LOL`
`02:54.16`	`Lightning_ThB`	`There are other sounds you can set up, like when you're kicked, when you connect/disconnect/whatever`
`02:54.23`	`roxville`	`ssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss Strider !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!`
`02:54.33`	`Strider`	`:P`
`02:54.51`	`roxville`	`but you will never get kicked from #elive... thana is too nice`
`02:55.30`	`Lightning_ThB`	`I once had an IRC script that, when you were kicked, it would laught at you -.-`
`02:55.46`	`Strider`	`I like e16, but I sure have put some effort into getting it the way I like it...Yea roxville , I noticed that Thana is very nice...`
`02:55.49`	`Lightning_ThB`	`Yeah... Thana sure is`
`02:56.18`	`Strider`	`thana about the coolest person I met on irc in years`
`02:56.20`	`roxville`	`strider there are plenty of docs on how to configure e`
`02:56.28`	`roxville`	`yes he is`
`02:56.30`	`Lightning_ThB`	`A neat different way of seeing e16 is by stopping X and loading it with startx`
`02:56.54`	`Strider`	`ok Lightning_ThB why?`
`02:57.22`	`Lightning_ThB`	`It's different from the default.`
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`02:57.37`	`Strider`	`Lightning_ThB, I will try it`
`02:57.58`	`Lightning_ThB`	`The programs are arranged by origin (like KDE / Gnome and GTK / Others)`
`02:58.12`	`Lightning_ThB`	`And it's mostly green`
`02:58.25`	`Strider`	`roxville, where are the wiki and docs for e16 are they different than elive`
`02:58.31`	`Strider`	`?`
`02:58.34`	`Lightning_ThB`	`It's a new "E"xperience`
`02:58.41`	`Strider`	`:)`
`02:58.46`	`roxville`	`http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=enlightenment-devel&m=111054507031989&w=2`
`02:58.54`	`roxville`	`Strider, that link is for you`
`02:59.10`	`Strider`	`thanks roxville`
`02:59.24`	`roxville`	`the wiki is at wiki.elivecd.org`
`03:00.04`	`Lightning_ThB`	`Has anyone seen "Dick and Jane"?`
`03:00.07`	`roxville`	`there's a LOT to read! there is a section on engage a ways into the article`
`03:00.27`	`roxville`	`nope, but i think jane saw my dick once`
`03:00.49`	`Lightning_ThB`	`>.<`
`03:01.35`	`Lightning_ThB`	`It was funny (a little)`
`03:01.59`	`Lightning_ThB`	`Well, the movie is two thumbs up. Really nice.`
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`03:02.23`	`roxville`	`ok :)`
`03:02.30`	`roxville`	`hey GandalfX`
`03:02.35`	`Lightning_ThB`	`It's a comedy criticizing how mad (and sad and inhuman) is capitalism`
`03:04.44`	`Lightning_ThB`	`By Jim Carrey (imho, one of the best actors ever)`
`03:05.17`	`roxville`	`oh yeah, i have seen some commercials about it`
`03:06.29`	`Lightning_ThB`	`Well, when you have the time, watch it. It's worth every cent ^^`
`03:07.45`	`roxville`	`ok... i will :)`
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`03:11.11`	`Strider`	`did anyone see the movie "At the End of the Spear"?`
`03:11.26`	`Lightning_ThB`	`I haven't...`
`03:11.37`	`Lightning_ThB`	`And I must sleep...`
`03:11.57`	`Strider`	`it is interesting...I thought it very controversial, yet I was impressed`
`03:12.19`	`Lightning_ThB`	`I'll d'l it someday then ^^`
`03:12.22`	`Strider`	`Lightning_ThB, goodnight`
`03:12.34`	`Lightning_ThB`	`Now, I'm sorry, but I must go ^^`
`03:12.37`	`Lightning_ThB`	`Thanks`
`03:13.28`	`Thanatermesis`	`sorry for the delay ppl... im semi-back`
`03:14.28`	`eshep`	`Thanatermesis, strider that just left was needing the kernel headers for elive`
`03:14.41`	`Thanatermesis`	`for the installed system or liveCD ?`
`03:14.59`	`eshep`	`not sure...are they not in the repo?`
`03:15.06`	`Thanatermesis`	`is it`
`03:15.15`	`Thanatermesis`	`for the liveCD not really (morphix repository not included)`
`03:15.27`	`eshep`	`ah ok`
`03:15.30`	`Thanatermesis`	`the headers of the installed system is the same to the kernel of debian`
`03:15.36`	`Thanatermesis`	`is the*`
`03:15.43`	`Thanatermesis`	`included on debian repositories`
`03:16.05`	`eshep`	`ok, he was worried because uname said elive...`
`03:16.29`	`Thanatermesis`	`uname said Elive ?`
`03:18.16`	`eshep`	`lol, he did a uname -a so it said elive (hostname)`
`03:20.39`	`eshep`	`ok. i gotta go`
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`03:30.07`	`Thanatermesis`	`yo Strider`
`03:30.15`	`Strider`	`hi Thanatermesis`
`03:30.32`	`Thanatermesis`	`the headers of the installed system kernel ?`
`03:30.39`	`Strider`	`Thanatermesis, can you tell me how to get the headers`
`03:30.49`	`Strider`	`yes`
`03:31.05`	`Thanatermesis`	`do you have look if the module of you want not is via apt-cache ?`
`03:31.39`	`Strider`	`I downloaded the module but it wont modprobe`
`03:31.52`	`Strider`	`zd1211`
`03:32.00`	`Thanatermesis`	`mmh, this is strange`
`03:32.03`	`Thanatermesis`	`try "depmod -a"`
`03:32.04`	`Strider`	`wireless module`
`03:33.10`	`Strider`	`Thanatermesis, depmod -a worked!!!`
`03:33.15`	`Thanatermesis`	`good :)`
`03:33.26`	`Strider`	`wow you are a smart fellow`
`03:33.50`	`Thanatermesis`	`lol`
`03:34.01`	`Thanatermesis`	`strange... this thing is essential..`
`03:34.09`	`Strider`	`I will promote your distro with energy`
`03:34.12`	`Thanatermesis`	`i fix the problem on this package and send a e-mail to the maintainer of it..`
`03:34.18`	`Thanatermesis`	`lol, thanks :)`
`03:34.55`	`Strider`	`let me try and see if I can get the module cooking with the adapter now...be back in a few`
`03:35.35`	`Thanatermesis`	`don't forget the firmware ;)`
`03:35.56`	`Strider`	`firmware cant work with udev`
`03:36.17`	`Strider`	`it will break udev`
`03:36.29`	`Thanatermesis`	`i speak for the normal module...`
`03:36.33`	`Strider`	`hotplug is not on my system`
`03:36.39`	`Thanatermesis`	`i look a pacakge with the firmware aparently`
`03:36.55`	`Strider`	`do I need the firmware?`
`03:37.49`	`Strider`	`zd1211 has a firmware package too, but I can't download and install it cuz it takes out udev and replaces it with hotplug`
`03:38.07`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt-cache zd1211 ;)`
`03:38.11`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt-cache search zd1211 ;)`
`03:38.28`	`Thanatermesis`	`i don't know.. i don't have this card, i have just look to has a package with a firmware, i think to you need it`
`03:38.40`	`Thanatermesis`	`just install it and all are easyest ;)`
`03:39.09`	`Strider`	`but what about it taking out udev??`
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`03:40.31`	`Thanatermesis`	`i don't think to udev is any problem`
`03:40.38`	`Strider`	`ok`
`03:40.42`	`Thanatermesis`	`ok, pacakge fixed on the Elive repositories and mail sent to the maintainer :)`
`03:40.49`	`Strider`	`I try`
`03:43.25`	`Strider`	`it removes hal and ivman to install the firmware.....`
`03:43.31`	`Thanatermesis`	`mmmh`
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`03:43.54`	`Strider`	`that will break the sytem wont it?`
`03:44.00`	`Thanatermesis`	`heh, hotplug dependency`
`03:44.08`	`Thanatermesis`	`yeah, wait a second, don't install it`
`03:47.10`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt x en es has no clue`
`03:49.56`	`Thanatermesis`	`Strider it works without the firmware installed ?`
`03:50.17`	`Strider`	`Thanatermesis, I havent tried it, was waiting on you`
`03:50.26`	`Strider`	`let me try`
`03:50.36`	`Strider`	`I be back in a few...`
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`03:54.57`	`Strider`	`it is not being detected though lsmod shows it in the list....zd1211`
`03:55.43`	`Strider`	`Thanatermesis, no it is not working though the module is indeed installed`
`03:55.48`	`Thanatermesis`	`aha`
`03:55.52`	`Thanatermesis`	`firmware aparently`
`03:56.05`	`Strider`	`any workaround?`
`03:56.12`	`Thanatermesis`	`ok Strider`
`03:56.14`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt-get update`
`03:56.22`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt-get install zd1211-firmware`
`03:56.31`	`Thanatermesis`	`i have just updated the repo without the hotplug dependency`
`03:56.39`	`Thanatermesis`	`Elive don't needs hotplug in any case`
`03:56.59`	`Strider`	`very cool....you are something else... LOL`
`03:58.28`	`Strider`	`Thanatermesis, done, now I try it`
`03:59.15`	`Strider`	`I have wireless thanks!!!!!!!`
`03:59.23`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`Hi Thanatermesis`
`03:59.36`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`check messages on IRC from 8:45 (2h15 ago)`
`03:59.49`	`Thanatermesis`	`yeah i have look KaKaRoTo-KS :)`
`03:59.53`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`ok, cool :)`
`03:59.54`	`Strider`	`Thanatermesis, it worked, I have wireless....great`
`03:59.59`	`Thanatermesis`	`don't worry, i not have added any plugin ;)`
`04:00.04`	`Thanatermesis`	`good Strider :)`
`04:00.13`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`Thanatermesis: well, do you want to add them? :)`
`04:00.14`	`Strider`	`goodnight and thanks again`
`04:00.18`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`or you prefer not to ?`
`04:00.19`	`Thanatermesis`	`welcome Strider`
`04:00.40`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`I'm off in a few minutes, I also have another question for you ;)`
`04:00.40`	`Thanatermesis`	`KaKaRoTo-KS i don't have really look for plugins and things... just the "original pacakge version"`
`04:00.50`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`Thanatermesis: ok, np`
`04:01.12`	`Thanatermesis`	`but if you recomends any posible interesant i can posible to make a look... the problem is the space problem :S`
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`04:01.32`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`I know, problem of space, but they don't use much space, that's why...`
`04:02.23`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`they are very small files...`
`04:02.27`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`anyways, it's not a problem :)`
`04:03.27`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`by the way.. why the bootsplash appears each time the progress bar is updated (after pressing F2)`
`04:04.15`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`oh, and my second question.. what is the package name of the kernel used in the liveCD mode... and the config file used by elive.. can you make it available ? (or give a link to morphix source if that's where you got it)`
`04:04.33`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`this way, I could boot into elive, recompile the kernel, and load only the module for my SATA drive..`
`04:04.46`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`would be nice if I could do that :)`
`04:04.49`	`Thanatermesis`	`<KaKaRoTo-KS> by the way.. why the bootsplash appears each time the progress bar is updated (after pressing F2)`
`04:05.32`	`Thanatermesis`	`the init scripts of the livecd... after a special point (an aproximation of the % passed), send a signal to bootsplash for change to the "progress bar image" in "one point more"`
`04:05.44`	`Thanatermesis`	`i think to it reloads the bootplash if is not show on this moments`
`04:06.14`	`Thanatermesis`	`what you want about the kernel ? the headers ?`
`04:06.20`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`yeah.. too bad, it should remember if we were in debug mode or not...`
`04:06.40`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`no, not the headers, the whole kernel, so I could compile it myself! (and the .config file for it)`
`04:06.54`	`Thanatermesis`	`mmmh... not is really easy for your sata problem...`
`04:07.14`	`Thanatermesis`	`ahm... only the module and load ? don't sounds a bad idea...`
`04:07.42`	`Thanatermesis`	`if you make this succesfully i can be posible try to include by default on the official release (maybe tomorrow i finish)`
`04:07.44`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`I don't know, I would really like to make it work through SATA... I don't have any IDE drive.... and I don't want to partition/format through VMware IDE emulation (who knows what might happen with windows opened...)`
`04:07.47`	`Thanatermesis`	`yeah, you need the headers`
`04:07.55`	`Thanatermesis`	`deb http://www.morphix.org/debian ./`
`04:08.08`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`well, if it's the same source version, the module should load without problems...`
`04:09.04`	`Thanatermesis`	`exact ;)`
`04:10.22`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`:)`
`04:10.32`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`then you could make a 'sata-modules' .deb :)`
`04:11.54`	`Thanatermesis`	`or directly on the liveCD and add in the changelog "some SATA hard disk working" ;)`
`04:12.21`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`oh, yeah, that's true:)`
`04:13.19`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`humm.. can't burn .iso.. file is too large :o`
`04:14.00`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`720MB`
`04:16.04`	`Thanatermesis`	`o_O`
`04:16.20`	`Thanatermesis`	`you need only a 700 Mb cdrom`
`04:16.24`	`Thanatermesis`	`what is your MD5 ?`
`04:16.27`	`Thanatermesis`	`md5sum file.iso`
`04:16.42`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`nero says it's a 720MB iso...`
`04:16.48`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`I don't have md5 on windows :P`
`04:16.52`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`(I'm on windows now...)`
`04:17.15`	`Thanatermesis`	`mmmh`
`04:17.25`	`Thanatermesis`	`you can posible to force nero ?`
`04:17.35`	`Thanatermesis`	`the size is good`
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`04:17.40`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`file has 730.001.408 Byes`
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`04:18.00`	`Strider`	`I'm on my wireless Yea...`
`04:18.00`	`Thanatermesis`	`KaKaRoTo-KS i don't understand the windows language... some times speak sizes totally crazy :)`
`04:18.21`	`Thanatermesis`	`and yesterday biggest than tomorrow or inverse...`
`04:18.31`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`hehe, yeah, but I use total commander, so it gives me good size (I hate explorer.exe)`
`04:18.48`	`Thanatermesis`	`in FAT ?`
`04:19.05`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`NTFS`
`04:19.10`	`Thanatermesis`	`amen*`
`04:19.24`	`Strider`	`Thanatermesis, do you know how I can get the engage to have a transparent background? I switched from e16.8 to 16.7 as you suggested and the engage is has a background color...`
`04:19.30`	`Thanatermesis`	`asdf@elive[~]$ l /tmp2/elive_0.4.iso`
`04:19.31`	`Thanatermesis`	`-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 730001408 2006-02-09 18:15 /tmp2/elive_0.4.iso`
`04:19.31`	`Thanatermesis`	`asdf@elive[~]$ du -hs /tmp2/elive_0.4.iso`
`04:19.31`	`Thanatermesis`	`697M/tmp2/elive_0.4.iso`
`04:20.00`	`Thanatermesis`	`Strider can you posible to make a screenshot ?`
`04:20.07`	`Strider`	`ok`
`04:21.05`	`Thanatermesis`	`KaKaRoTo-KS the size is good... look me... just force nero`
`04:21.06`	`Thanatermesis`	`crazy windows programs.... sigh`
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`04:21.29`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`Thanatermesis: no problem, it burns...`
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`04:21.44`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`problem was I was using a CD-R that was already written :$`
`04:22.15`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`I think I friend used it and wrote a single 2MB bootable track, so I saw no files and though it was blank...`
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`04:24.18`	`Strider`	`done`
`04:24.25`	`Strider`	`Thanatermesis, done`
`04:25.06`	`Thanatermesis`	`what ?`
`04:25.18`	`Strider`	`I uploaded it`
`04:25.28`	`Thanatermesis`	`ah, ok`
`04:25.33`	`Strider`	`the engage has a background and not transparent`
`04:25.47`	`Thanatermesis`	`you have it grey, yes ?`
`04:26.14`	`Thanatermesis`	`enter on .enlightenment directory from your home`
`04:26.21`	`Thanatermesis`	`launch: buscar-profundo engage`
`04:26.42`	`Thanatermesis`	`and you found a line similar to engage -i 1 -I 1 -Z 2.6 -W 800 -H 600`
`04:27.01`	`Thanatermesis`	`edit the file (first column: engage...) for this line`
`04:27.15`	`Thanatermesis`	`and change: -b "#blablalbla"`
`04:27.23`	`Thanatermesis`	`to: -b "#00000000"`
`04:27.39`	`Strider`	`ok Thanatermesis will do it..thanks`
`04:28.01`	`Strider`	`it should be done in root right?`
`04:28.17`	`Thanatermesis`	`no, user`
`04:28.20`	`Strider`	`ok`
`04:29.15`	`Thanatermesis`	`asdf@elive[~/.enlightenment]$ vi ...e_session-XXXXXX.snapshots.0`
`04:29.23`	`Thanatermesis`	`this is the file of you want Strider`
`04:30.45`	`Strider`	`buscar-profundo engage just brings me back to commandline`
`04:31.17`	`Thanatermesis`	`say my thing`
`04:31.36`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`rebooting to elive`
`04:31.36`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`brb`
`04:31.48`	`Thanatermesis`	`:)`
`04:32.26`	`Strider`	`Thanatermesis, I run buscar*** and it just brings me back to commandline without doing anything`
`04:33.05`	`Thanatermesis`	`Strider read my last lines`
`04:34.22`	`Strider`	`Thanatermesis, I don't understand sorry...I missing something... enter on .enlightenment directory from your home`
`04:34.22`	`Strider`	`Thanatermesis launch: buscar-profundo engage`
`04:34.22`	`Strider`	`Thanatermesis and you found a line similar to engage -i 1 -I 1 -Z 2.6 -W 800 -H 600`
`04:34.22`	`Strider`	`Thanatermesis edit the file (first column: engage...) for this line`
`04:34.22`	`Strider`	`Thanatermesis and change: -b "#blablalbla"`
`04:34.24`	`Strider`	`Thanatermesis to: -b "#00000000"`
`04:34.34`	`Thanatermesis`	`<Thanatermesis> asdf@elive[~/.enlightenment]$ vi ...e_session-XXXXXX.snapshots.0`
`04:34.35`	`Thanatermesis`	`<Thanatermesis> this is the file of you want Strider`
`04:36.16`	`Strider`	`Thanatermesis, how do I get "asdf@elive[~/.enlightenment]$ vi ...e_session-XXXXXX.snapshots.0" I don't understand what it means`
`04:36.34`	`Thanatermesis`	`just try it`
`04:36.39`	`Strider`	`ok`
`04:36.39`	`Thanatermesis`	`enter on your home`
`04:36.44`	`Thanatermesis`	`and in .enlightenment dir`
`04:36.54`	`Thanatermesis`	`and edit the ...e_sesblalbalbla file`
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`04:40.25`	`Strider`	`Thanatermesis, in may home ~/.enlightenment directory I cannot find an "e_session" file or any such name`
`04:40.35`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`Thanatermesis, instructions please :)`
`04:40.39`	`Thanatermesis`	`Strider what editor you use ?`
`04:40.46`	`Thanatermesis`	`Strider open a terminal...`
`04:40.56`	`Thanatermesis`	`and type:`
`04:40.57`	`Strider`	`done`
`04:41.08`	`Thanatermesis`	`scite .enlightenment/...e_session-XXXXXX.snapshots.0`
`04:41.14`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`where's the kernel used ?`
`04:41.21`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`what package`
`04:42.27`	`Strider`	`it is totally blank IM using E 16.7 remember...`
`04:42.27`	`Thanatermesis`	`oh`
`04:42.53`	`Thanatermesis`	`KaKaRoTo-KS added morphix ? deb http://www.morphix.org/debian ./`
`04:43.16`	`Thanatermesis`	`KaKaRoTo-KS install: kernel-headers-2.6.11`
`04:43.28`	`Thanatermesis`	`but after... for the modules... i don't have more idea :/`
`04:43.58`	`Thanatermesis`	`Strider in the ".enlightenment" directory, type "ls -la"`
`04:44.08`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`kernel-sources-2.6-11`
`04:44.11`	`Thanatermesis`	`you don't found this file with "ls -la" ?`
`04:44.19`	`Thanatermesis`	`KaKaRoTo-KS headers better`
`04:44.25`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`why ?`
`04:44.36`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`I need the sources to compile the modules`
`04:44.40`	`Strider`	`omg it is there!`
`04:44.45`	`Thanatermesis`	`oh yes, sorry`
`04:44.47`	`Strider`	`sorry`
`04:47.16`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`Thanatermesis, send me your .config`
`04:47.27`	`Thanatermesis`	`KaKaRoTo-KS look if you don't has it on /boot`
`04:47.37`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`k, good idea`
`04:47.54`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`elive@elive[/boot]$ ls c*`
`04:47.54`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`config-2.6.11`
`04:47.57`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`cool :)`
`04:48.02`	`Thanatermesis`	`yeah, this it`
`04:52.24`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`Thanatermesis, qt is installed ?`
`04:52.36`	`Thanatermesis`	`KaKaRoTo-KS i don't think`
`04:52.39`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`+ do you think I'll have enough disk space to compile ? how big is the ramdisk ?`
`04:52.45`	`Thanatermesis`	`qt ? for a kernel driver ?`
`04:53.00`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`root@elive[/usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.11]# make gconfig`
`04:53.00`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`*`
`04:53.00`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`* Unable to find the GTK+ installation. Please make sure that`
`04:53.01`	`Thanatermesis`	`the ramdisk is just your ram memory + swap available`
`04:53.07`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`root@elive[/usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.11]# make xconfig`
`04:53.07`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`*`
`04:53.07`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`* Unable to find the QT installation. Please make sure that the`
`04:53.17`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt-get install libncurses5-dev`
`04:53.17`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`I hate menuconfig :P`
`04:53.25`	`Thanatermesis`	`make menuconfig`
`04:53.28`	`Thanatermesis`	`lol, ok`
`04:53.35`	`Thanatermesis`	`make config ? lol`
`04:54.49`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`Thanatermesis, I noticed it in VMware, but I still have it even when booting natively on the cd...`
`04:55.09`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`backspace doesn't work, and delete key works instead of backspace...`
`04:56.42`	`Thanatermesis`	`i don't know ...`
`04:56.52`	`Thanatermesis`	`if you can posible... install the qt or gtk dependencies`
`04:59.49`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`:'(`
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`05:00.53`	`Thanatermesis`	`make menuconfig is bad ?`
`05:01.00`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`you don't have SATA support at all... it can't be loaded as module...`
`05:01.13`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`my driver can be put as module, but the SATA support should be IN the kernel..`
`05:01.34`	`Thanatermesis`	`hehehe, don't signal me KaKaRoTo-KS... this is not my kernel O:)`
`05:01.43`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`Thanatermesis, I don't want to be a pest.. but I still don't understand why you didn't just recompile the kernel and enabling SATA support...`
`05:01.48`	`Thanatermesis`	`my kernel is the kernel of the installed system ;)`
`05:01.57`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`hehe, I know, I'm not blaming you, I'm just telling you :)`
`05:02.04`	`Strider`	`Thanatermesis, I changed it and it still has the background NEW: engage.engage`
`05:02.04`	`Strider`	`NAME: engage`
`05:02.05`	`Strider`	`CLASS: engage`
`05:02.05`	`Strider`	`DESKTOP: 0`
`05:02.05`	`Strider`	`RES: 1280 1024`
`05:02.05`	`Strider`	`WH: 600 200`
`05:02.07`	`Strider`	`XY: 340 824 0 0`
`05:02.09`	`Strider`	`LAYER: 2`
`05:02.11`	`Strider`	`STICKY: 1`
`05:02.13`	`Strider`	`SKIPTASK: 1`
`05:02.17`	`Strider`	`SKIPWINLIST: 1`
`05:02.19`	`Strider`	`SKIPFOCUS: 1`
`05:02.21`	`Strider`	`SHADE: 0`
`05:02.23`	`Strider`	`BORDER: BORDERLESS`
`05:02.25`	`Strider`	`CMD: engage -I 1 -i 1 -T 1 -Z 2.2 -H 200 -W 600 -t exquisite -b "#0000000"`
`05:02.26`	`Thanatermesis`	`because modify this kernel is really a lot of work.. and i can make it if i use this system more...`
`05:02.27`	`Strider`	`oops sorry`
`05:02.45`	`Thanatermesis`	`but is the last version of Elive with this system KaKaRoTo-KS`
`05:02.57`	`Thanatermesis`	`for 0.5, SATA perfectly suppported ;)`
`05:03.00`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt flood`
`05:03.02`	`apt`	`[flood] spewing loads of output into a channel; very rude in most channels and often grounds for banning. If you want to show a lot of output to someone, ask them to join you in #flood and paste the output there.`
`05:03.13`	`Thanatermesis`	`hehe`
`05:03.30`	`Strider`	`Thanatermesis, the damn background is still there even after the change...and I reloaded e16 though I haven't logged out`
`05:03.41`	`Thanatermesis`	`Strider yes, looks correct, don't works ? "control + alt + x" on engage and "control + alt + end"`
`05:04.12`	`Thanatermesis`	`lol... on engage... no on xchat xD`
`05:05.02`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`Thanatermesis, ok, but it's just too bad...`
`05:05.15`	`Thanatermesis`	`i know KaKaRoTo-KS... i know... hehe`
`05:05.20`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`I'm curious though, what's the modifications that need to be done on the kernel ?`
`05:05.27`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`hhe`
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`05:05.54`	`Thanatermesis`	`ouch, very lot... touching internal parts of the system and building things without package systems... very lot`
`05:06.07`	`Thanatermesis`	`i just scary to imagine, hehe`
`05:06.20`	`Thanatermesis`	`<Thanatermesis> lol... on engage... no on xchat xD <-- Strider`
`05:06.47`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`lol`
`05:07.03`	`Strider`	`when editing that file it says another program is writing to it...but the editing is in the file remaining , but the background is still there.... :(`
`05:07.30`	`Thanatermesis`	`Strider oh yes, you need to exit of e16 for this, maybe from e17`
`05:08.07`	`Strider`	`I will do it from cml out of the desktop`
`05:08.18`	`Strider`	`bbl`
`05:11.10`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`Thanatermesis, can't compile.. kernel won't compile with binutils 2.16, it needs 2.15 ...`
`05:11.23`	`Thanatermesis`	`:/`
`05:11.24`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`I don't know how to downgrade a package with apt..`
`05:11.35`	`Thanatermesis`	`i don't think to it exist more`
`05:11.36`	`Thanatermesis`	`look it`
`05:11.40`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt-cache policy package`
`05:12.29`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:12.30`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:12.30`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:12.30`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:12.30`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:12.30`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`05:12.55`	`Thanatermesis`	`only the version 16 :/`
`05:13.20`	`Strider`	`Thanatermesis, I rebooted and it came out perfect sorry for the hassle...but you succeed again`
`05:13.28`	`Thanatermesis`	`:)`
`05:14.01`	`Strider`	`my system is perfect for me now...I'm satisfied`
`05:14.17`	`Thanatermesis`	`good :)`
`05:14.18`	`Strider`	`I will install on my lappy now`
`05:14.55`	`Strider`	`I have been a kde person for many years I like E* much better`
`05:16.06`	`Strider`	`now I go to bed....gnight, and Thanatermesis you get sleep too!!!! no cheating the "sandman" ok?`
`05:16.28`	`Thanatermesis`	`lol, ok`
`05:17.27`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/2005/10/27/debian/pool/main/b/binutils/`
`05:17.28`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`:)`
`05:17.35`	`Thanatermesis`	`hahaha, good :)`
`05:18.57`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`worked :D`
`05:19.02`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`it's compiling now :)`
`05:33.15`	`wasynyt`	`is there any change for wlan support in this or next version of elive?`
`05:33.47`	`Thanatermesis`	`wlan ?`
`05:34.02`	`wasynyt`	`wireless lan...`
`05:34.14`	`wasynyt`	`argh cant remember its other names`
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`05:35.11`	`wasynyt`	`i think protocola is 802.11g`
`05:35.23`	`wasynyt`	`or something like that`
`05:35.45`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt x en es is there any change for wlan support in this or next version of elive?`
`05:36.18`	`Thanatermesis`	`Elive 0.4 has more drivers for wlan cards`
`05:37.24`	`wasynyt`	`ok.. i have one buffalo caard (desktop) it didint work with elive, but i could be that it is something similiar to winmodem`
`05:37.54`	`Thanatermesis`	`do you have ask google about the driver for linux ?`
`05:38.32`	`wasynyt`	`at that time didnt have the network so no... but i can do it during today morning (noe)`
`05:38.38`	`wasynyt`	`*(now)`
`05:39.24`	`Thanatermesis`	`you need first to know if exist a driver for linux and their name`
`05:39.33`	`wasynyt`	`roger`
`05:39.34`	`Thanatermesis`	`if not, then you need to use ndiswrapper`
`05:39.39`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt ndiswrapper`
`05:41.26`	`wasynyt`	`i will now boot that windows machine to find out what it has eaten`
`05:41.42`	`wasynyt`	`how reliable and easy to use is this ndiswrapper`
`05:42.17`	`Thanatermesis`	`is easy... i don't remember how... is 2 or 3 commands for load and use your WINDOWS-XP driver on linux`
`05:42.35`	`Thanatermesis`	`google has a lot of mini-tutorials about it ;)`
`05:43.37`	`wasynyt`	`i konow, btu im trying to decrease my depency over google`
`05:44.12`	`Thanatermesis`	`but google has the answers to all the questions ;)`
`05:44.13`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt google`
`05:44.15`	`apt`	`it has been said that google is a search engine found at http://www.google.com/`
`05:44.30`	`wasynyt`	`yep`
`05:44.32`	`wasynyt`	`:D`
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`05:45.50`	`wasynyt`	`the thing is "buffalo wli2-pci-g54 wireless lan adapter"`
`05:46.43`	`Thanatermesis`	`no... the driver name for linux`
`05:47.27`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`Thanatermesis, what's the gcc/binutils version you used to build the kernel ?`
`05:47.36`	`wasynyt`	`ahh trying to find out that`
`05:47.48`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:47.48`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`insmod: error inserting 'sata_sil.o': -1 Invalid module format`
`05:48.25`	`Thanatermesis`	`KaKaRoTo-KS remember... im not have builded this kernel.. hehe`
`05:48.42`	`Thanatermesis`	`KaKaRoTo-KS look the diference between "gcc --version"`
`05:48.49`	`Thanatermesis`	`and "cat /proc/version"`
`05:48.59`	`Thanatermesis`	`.o ? no .ko ?`
`05:49.15`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`:(`
`05:49.33`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`I have gcc 3.3.6 not 3.3.5`
`05:49.43`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`.o is renamed to .ko on make modules_install`
`05:49.48`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`thanks for the hint!`
`05:50.17`	`Thanatermesis`	`its the same gcc i think`
`05:50.22`	`Thanatermesis`	`no diferences for this number`
`05:50.30`	`Thanatermesis`	`and cc ?`
`05:50.31`	`Thanatermesis`	`cc --version`
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`05:57.33`	`wasynyt`	`it seems that there is no linux driver fir it (chipset Buffalo BCM94306)`
`05:57.39`	`wasynyt`	`*for`
`05:58.03`	`Thanatermesis`	`ndiswrapper then ;)`
`05:58.12`	`Thanatermesis`	`search a little tutorial of it`
`05:58.23`	`wasynyt`	`i will do that`
`05:58.27`	`Thanatermesis`	`you only need your win-xp driver and the driver of ndiswrapper is added by default on Elive`
`05:59.14`	`wasynyt`	`i have th driver cd... can i use the .exe or do i have to dig it out somewhere there`
`06:00.19`	`Thanatermesis`	`you need a special file of it, i don't know the name`
`06:00.34`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`I can't find gcc version 1:3.3.5-1`
`06:00.39`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`I can only find 3.3.5-13`
`06:00.42`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`and it doesn't work with it`
`06:00.45`	`wasynyt`	`whats ending of it like .exe, .inf`
`06:03.38`	`dererk`	`wasynyt, Ndiswrapper takes ndis files of Windoze wireless card drivers`
`06:03.59`	`wasynyt`	`ok`
`06:04.30`	`Thanatermesis`	`KaKaRoTo-KS don't need gcc "exact" version i think, just 3.3 is good`
`06:04.45`	`dererk`	`wasynyt, and emulates the appropiate environment for the windoze drivers to work`
`06:05.06`	`dererk`	`wasynyt, it's a simple process, but you need the drivers, not the .exe file`
`06:05.21`	`wasynyt`	`i have the driver cd`
`06:05.33`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`Thanatermesis, I think the exact version... but -f option should enable it to load.. I don't know.. I'm recompiling everything.. it takes time :S`
`06:05.57`	`dererk`	`wasynyt, look in there for the .inf and that sort of files`
`06:07.32`	`wasynyt`	`ok`
`06:08.34`	`dererk`	`wasynyt, here's a installation manual: http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/Installation`
`06:08.53`	`dererk`	`wasynyt, you may look in that site to futher info, it's very useful for me`
`06:11.19`	`wasynyt`	`i found that site...`
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`06:16.42`	`wasynyt`	`odd there is gpl license in the cd... as well as gnu`
`06:16.55`	`Thanatermesis`	`KaKaRoTo-KS do you like to make a look to a little thing ?`
`06:17.58`	`dererk`	`like what wasynyt?`
`06:18.01`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`Thanatermesis, I can try, but I don't have much time..`
`06:18.22`	`Thanatermesis`	`KaKaRoTo-KS just 20 seconds ;)`
`06:18.23`	`dererk`	`Gpl stuff on a windoze drivers?`
`06:18.31`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt-get update ; apt-get install network-admin-tutorial`
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`06:20.14`	`dererk`	`parece que hay mas paquetes nuevos en testing`
`06:20.34`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`Thanatermesis, can't...`
`06:20.36`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these:
`06:20.36`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`The following packages have unmet dependencies:`
`06:20.36`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`<PROTECTED>`
`06:20.44`	`wasynyt`	`when i open the cd i see all the supfolders few .exe, .dll and other oddities and then .txt which contains link to the gpl license and full gnu licence as pdf file`
`06:21.05`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`and I don't want to 'apt-get -f install', because it will remove gcc 3.3.5 ... and I want to test kernel compiled with it..`
`06:21.24`	`Thanatermesis`	`KaKaRoTo-KS but i think to just "3.3" version is good, no ?`
`06:21.27`	`Thanatermesis`	`compatible*`
`06:21.37`	`Thanatermesis`	`i don't have look problems making this`
`06:21.40`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`I think it must be the exact same version string...`
`06:21.48`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`we'll see`
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`06:21.57`	`dererk`	`wasynyt, oh, i think it should be other software included`
`06:22.27`	`dererk`	`wasynyt, but you have to look for .inf files under winxp or win2000 directories`
`06:22.46`	`dererk`	`wasynyt, or look for them on the official card site`
`06:23.06`	`wasynyt`	`there is no winxp or win2000 directory`
`06:23.12`	`wasynyt`	`and doing that`
`06:23.26`	`dererk`	`Is the card very old?`
`06:23.48`	`dererk`	`wasynyt, do this and copy paste it on pastebin.com please : lspci`
`06:25.11`	`wasynyt`	`i will do that if i get the machine networked`
`06:25.54`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`Thanatermesis, my localtime is wrong..`
`06:26.10`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`root@elive[/home/elive]# date`
`06:26.10`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`Mon Feb 13 20:24:04 EST 2006`
`06:26.10`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`root@elive[/home/elive]# rm /etc/localtime`
`06:26.10`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`root@elive[/home/elive]# date`
`06:26.10`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`Tue Feb 14 01:24:07 UTC 2006`
`06:26.17`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`now it's good...`
`06:26.26`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`but /etc/localtime MUST exist...`
`06:26.30`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`so I don't know how it can be fixed..`
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`06:26.45`	`dererk`	`wasynyt, Oh, I understand`
`06:27.11`	`wasynyt`	`im using my laptop at the moment... siting next to that machine`
`06:27.42`	`Thanatermesis`	`KaKaRoTo-KS i don't know... who creates this file ? no problem if i delete it ?`
`06:27.54`	`dererk`	`wasynyt, ok, could you tell me if it's an old card?`
`06:28.14`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`Thanatermesis, I don't know who creates it.. it should be during install of the system... it should NOT be deleted...`
`06:28.21`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`it should be linked to your timezone..`
`06:28.31`	`wasynyt`	`i dont think so... machine is quite new... bought last summer if i remember correctly`
`06:28.35`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`example : ln -s /usr/share/zoneinfo/America/Montreal /etc/localtime`
`06:29.12`	`Thanatermesis`	`oh... but how to know this KaKaRoTo-KS when ppl of around all the world use Elive ? hehe`
`06:29.14`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`humm.. even with that, it doesn't fix my clock...`
`06:29.18`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`there you go : ln -s /usr/share/zoneinfo/UTC /etc/localtime`
`06:29.21`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`this fixes it...`
`06:29.27`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`but the file should exist no matter what...`
`06:29.45`	`Thanatermesis`	`UTC and no GMT ?`
`06:29.58`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`hehe, I know.. usually, you ask on install.. but it's "is it UTC?" if no, then choose your timezone..`
`06:30.05`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`UTC I think means that it's set to the local time`
`06:30.15`	`dererk`	`wasynyt, ok, do this please, run lspci on the machine and look for any line containing "Network controller"`
`06:30.17`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`like my clock is set to 1:30 AM ... and it's the time at montreal..`
`06:30.31`	`Thanatermesis`	`maybe better to link to UTC.. and if the user wants to reconfigure then... elpanel ;)`
`06:30.45`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`if I set the zoneinfo to the America/Montreal, it will think the time is GMT and it will do the difference to guess the UTC time ...`
`06:30.54`	`wasynyt`	`ok`
`06:30.55`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`I think most people have it set to UTC..`
`06:31.11`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`and I think it should be set to UTC to avoid problems like this.. at least, you'll get more people with the correct time..`
`06:31.27`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`but I'm not an expert, so I suggest you google for it, understand the problem/solutions and decide on your own`
`06:31.51`	`Thanatermesis`	`yes..`
`06:31.56`	`Thanatermesis`	`ok, i set this by default then`
`06:32.25`	`wasynyt`	`"Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4306 802.11b/g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 03)"`
`06:32.26`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`Thanatermesis maybe better to link to UTC.. and if the user wants to reconfigure then... elpanel ;) <-- yes :)`
`06:32.43`	`dererk`	`uhhhhhh, broadcom`
`06:32.58`	`dererk`	`the worse case it could take`
`06:33.11`	`dererk`	`those are the unique cards which aren't supported`
`06:33.39`	`wasynyt`	`ok`
`06:33.48`	`Jambon`	`anyone know how the update to etch is going to affect 0.4 final?`
`06:33.48`	`dererk`	`I mean`
`06:34.08`	`dererk`	`They aren't supported natively wasynyt`
`06:34.21`	`wasynyt`	`i found out that`
`06:34.30`	`dererk`	`wasynyt, you still can use ndiswrapper I think`
`06:35.08`	`wasynyt`	`i will try as soon as i figure out what .if file to use`
`06:35.11`	`dererk`	`look for winxp controllers on the product site`
`06:35.29`	`dererk`	`that would be the easy way I think`
`06:35.33`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`Thanatermesis, why don't you enable "Show splash screen at boot" ? is it still very slow on purpose ?`
`06:35.59`	`dererk`	`Jambon, as by now, Thanatermesis say there's no big problem`
`06:36.12`	`wasynyt`	`only problem is that i dont have usb sticks nearby.. can elive run with out its cd?`
`06:36.21`	`wasynyt`	`no hd install`
`06:36.35`	`wasynyt`	`to use it from memory only`
`06:36.45`	`dererk`	`Sorry, It can't`
`06:36.52`	`dererk`	`but`
`06:36.53`	`wasynyt`	`:(`
`06:37.02`	`dererk`	`The controllers fits on a diskette`
`06:37.14`	`dererk`	`(i know they are useless, the disks I mean)`
`06:37.39`	`Jambon`	`dererk, so it's still due this week? any idea when?`
`06:37.54`	`wasynyt`	`i havent used diskettes for over a two years now.. my coputers dont have diskett drive nor do i own any diskettes`
`06:37.59`	`dererk`	`Jambon, I don't`
`06:38.16`	`dererk`	`wasynyt, me neither`
`06:38.22`	`dererk`	`I hate them`
`06:38.28`	`wasynyt`	`agree...`
`06:38.33`	`dererk`	`well`
`06:39.01`	`dererk`	`don't you have a second cdrom drive there?`
`06:39.17`	`wasynyt`	`nope only one.. that is a game machine`
`06:39.19`	`dererk`	`(just asking for luck)`
`06:39.27`	`dererk`	`Ouch`
`06:39.33`	`wasynyt`	`my other comp has..`
`06:40.22`	`Thanatermesis`	`KaKaRoTo-KS what splash screen ? for the installed system ?`
`06:40.48`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`no for e17`
`06:40.54`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`on elivecd`
`06:41.09`	`wasynyt`	`i think that machine wont have any linux on it...at least not now, no hd installing possibility and networking is a must`
`06:41.26`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`left click on desktop->configuration->Configuration panel -> startup settings`
`06:41.46`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`the splash screen for e17, the one with the e17 logo showing 'loading e17' or something...`
`06:42.10`	`dererk`	`wasynyt, really I don't know what to say`
`06:42.39`	`dererk`	`ok, have fun wasynyt`
`06:46.49`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`root@elive[/usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.11]# du -sh`
`06:46.50`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`397M.`
`06:46.55`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`glad I have 1GB of RAM :P`
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`06:49.31`	`wasynyt`	`thank you all for your help and sorry for no results....`
`06:49.57`	`Thanatermesis`	`hehehe KaKaRoTo-KS`
`06:50.30`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`Thanatermesis, http://paste.lisp.org/display/16801`
`06:51.29`	`Thanatermesis`	`=) KaKaRoTo-KS`
`06:51.32`	`Thanatermesis`	`looks good`
`06:51.45`	`Thanatermesis`	`but if i like to add to elive... i need another kernel correct ?`
`06:52.26`	`dererk`	`wasynyt, I'm sorry not to bring you more help with this`
`06:53.01`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`Thanatermesis, nope, you only need the files..`
`06:53.43`	`Thanatermesis`	`KaKaRoTo-KS the .ko files ? this is a good news :) and it is the support for all posible SATA hard disk or only your related models ?`
`06:53.45`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`you could even (if you really are lazy) just compress all the files in a .tar.gz file, and say in the FAQ : if you want SATA support, download this .tar.gz file, extract it and do "insmod libata.ko; insmod sata_sil.ko"`
`06:53.48`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`as simple as that :P`
`06:54.09`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`or.. if you are not lazy, you'll copy the files in the /lib/modules/..... directory and have a depmod -a done before..`
`06:54.11`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`and it's done!`
`06:54.37`	`Thanatermesis`	`yeah... the question is... are automatically loaded if you have SATA disks ?`
`06:54.39`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`for testing, I enabled only for mine.. but I can (tomorrow) compile for all SATA drives, and give you all the .ko files!`
`06:54.55`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`if they are in /lib/modules, they should be!`
`06:55.07`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`if not, you could just add a line in /etc/modules.conf and it's done!`
`06:55.14`	`Thanatermesis`	`yeah give me it, but fast if you can please... in reality the release of Elive 0.4 official is for today :S`
`06:55.33`	`Thanatermesis`	`im making the final steps... i hope finish for today, and maybe upload finished for tomorrow`
`06:55.44`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`:S`
`06:55.47`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`ok, I'll try..`
`06:56.10`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`problem is that it's 2AM here, I work tomorrow morning + I have an exam this week and I'm not ready... (exam on how to write a compiler:S)`
`06:56.11`	`Thanatermesis`	`mmmh.. but i think... the modules of SATA are loaded automatically ?`
`06:56.24`	`Thanatermesis`	`i don't think...`
`06:56.52`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`btw, elive installer detects my drives no problem and I'm now partitioning them... :)`
`06:56.58`	`Thanatermesis`	`hehe, yeah.. a little late... what time needs your machine for compile it ?`
`06:56.58`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`let me check`
`06:57.10`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`not sure, shouldn't be long since everything else is already compiled`
`06:57.32`	`Thanatermesis`	`KaKaRoTo-KS maybe if the Elive installer don't found any partition on the computer... modprobe all the list of your modules ? :)`
`06:57.47`	`Thanatermesis`	`yeah.. a ugly hack for this version...`
`06:58.19`	`Thanatermesis`	for `ls -1 /usr/share/KaKaRoTo-KS-sata-modules/` ; do insmod $i ; done
`06:58.19`	`Thanatermesis`	`;)`
`06:58.44`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`lol, yeah :P`
`06:59.33`	`Thanatermesis`	`teorically not has any problem if probe diferents modules... just error and not works, no ?`
`07:00.32`	`Thanatermesis`	`with a simple question on the installer... "i don't found your hard disk, where have you hidded it ? maybe is a SATA ? do you like to i probe the modules of SATA to thanks to KaKaRoTo-KS we have included ? " :)`
`07:02.31`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`done`
`07:08.57`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`Thanatermesis, http://kakaroto.homelinux.net/elive`
`07:09.03`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`I created a README file there for you`
`07:10.55`	`LinuxNIT`	`Thanatermesis, is the cpufreq stuff enabled in the kernel?`
`07:11.20`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`Thanatermesis, I'll reboot, and copy those files and see if it will automatically be loaded... brb`
`07:11.30`	`Thanatermesis`	`LinuxNIT i don't know... never tried it`
`07:11.31`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`(reboot won't affect the webserver)`
`07:11.39`	`Thanatermesis`	`KaKaRoTo-KS wait`
`07:11.44`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`yes?`
`07:11.45`	`LinuxNIT`	`hmm how can i find out?`
`07:11.48`	`Thanatermesis`	`where ? on the installed system ?`
`07:12.00`	`Thanatermesis`	`LinuxNIT maybe asking on #e`
`07:14.25`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`Thanatermesis, yes ?`
`07:14.39`	`Thanatermesis`	`KaKaRoTo-KS ok... the installed system has 2 kernels`
`07:14.51`	`Thanatermesis`	`but i think to you know what you make ;)`
`07:15.06`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`hehe, yeah, I'll still be in livecd mode`
`07:15.16`	`eshep`	`LinuxNIT, ive yet to see the cpufreq thingy work...`
`07:15.26`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`just try to see if it will automatically be loaded when the installer is 'probing for devices' if the modules are there...`
`07:15.34`	`LinuxNIT`	`works on my debian sarge install like a charm`
`07:15.49`	`eshep`	`hmmm, dunno then`
`07:16.02`	`eshep`	`but the folks at #e sure would`
`07:16.40`	`Thanatermesis`	`KaKaRoTo-KS yes but... in any case a "booting system installed "no thas the same autodetections things/scripts than the liveCD system`
`07:16.41`	`LinuxNIT`	`but this isnt a problem with e17`
`07:17.08`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`I know.. we'll see that after... but you said the installed system already has support for SATA right ?`
`07:17.25`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`anyways, I'll try and tell you, but I don't have time for installing it, it's too late now :S`
`07:17.35`	`eshep`	`LinuxNIT, no but the answer to enableing it we dont know here`
`07:17.40`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`just let me reboot now`
`07:17.41`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`brb`
`07:18.10`	`LinuxNIT`	`k but ill probably ask in #debian so as not to bother #e with off topic stuff :)`
`07:18.13`	`LinuxNIT`	`thanks guys`
`07:18.50`	`Thanatermesis`	`Jambon do you have tried xgl ?`
`07:18.56`	`eshep`	`its not off topic`
`07:19.06`	`eshep`	`not for #e especially`
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`07:26.36`	`LinuxNIT`	`is there another place to set which window gets focus than in the config panel? be cause i set it there but it dosnet work`
`07:26.56`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`Thanatermesis, how do you probe for devices during the boot up ?`
`07:27.13`	`Thanatermesis`	`KaKaRoTo-KS on the installed problem not is any problem`
`07:27.33`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`ok`
`07:27.35`	`Thanatermesis`	`for the liveCD system... is just the autodetections scripts, and i don't have any idea about for sata... but i think to not are prepaired for it`
`07:27.45`	`Jambon`	`Thanatermesis, no`
`07:27.46`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`but how do you probe devices :D`
`07:27.49`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`ok, where's the script ?`
`07:28.10`	`Thanatermesis`	`KaKaRoTo-KS some scripts... hehe, the livesystem has diferents steps of scripts`
`07:28.25`	`Thanatermesis`	`1) the cd boots grub`
`07:28.30`	`Thanatermesis`	`2) menu with options`
`07:28.38`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`the one that outputs "found SCSI device handled by .... "`
`07:28.39`	`Thanatermesis`	`3) grub is launched with this options`
`07:28.52`	`Jambon`	`4)????`
`07:28.57`	`Jambon`	`5)Profit!!!`
`07:29.04`	`Thanatermesis`	`4) all options recolected by a script, autodetecting principal things, CD modules, usb modules... etc`
`07:29.14`	`Thanatermesis`	`for found the "liveCD system"`
`07:29.42`	`Thanatermesis`	`5) one time all drivers are loaded for find the system, the system is found and loaded.. then autodetects really the system`
`07:29.43`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`which script!!! you don't know ?`
`07:30.07`	`Thanatermesis`	`6) after all the system si detected and configured, pivot_root for enter on the Elive system`
`07:30.42`	`Thanatermesis`	`7) Elive system launched, scripts of the liveCD mode for Elive are launched in the order for make all the "elive like's things" :)`
`07:30.49`	`Thanatermesis`	`8) welcome to Elive :)`
`07:31.03`	`Jambon`	`fine`
`07:31.15`	`Jambon`	`9)???`
`07:31.21`	`Jambon`	`10) Profit!!!!`
`07:31.22`	`Thanatermesis`	`KaKaRoTo-KS maybe the script of you want is on /mnt/.hidden_base/etc/init.d/morphix-start`
`07:31.22`	`Jambon`	`there`
`07:31.23`	`Thanatermesis`	`or`
`07:31.29`	`LinuxNIT`	`9) enjoy`
`07:31.30`	`Thanatermesis`	`/mnt/.hidden_base/etc/init.d/knoppix-autoconfig`
`07:31.46`	`Jambon`	`ggaaaaah! you're making me rewrite the steps!!!`
`07:32.21`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`thanx`
`07:32.35`	`LinuxNIT`	`9) hd install 10) enjoy 11) profit hows that Jambon`
`07:32.54`	`Jambon`	`you missed the ???? steop`
`07:32.57`	`Jambon`	`that's important`
`07:33.17`	`LinuxNIT`	`oh well it looked questionable to me ;)`
`07:34.08`	`Jambon`	`hehe`
`07:34.15`	`Jambon`	`that's the point`
`07:34.26`	`Jambon`	`you can't omit that step becuase, hell, it could be ANYTHING`
`07:35.18`	`LinuxNIT`	`lol`
`07:35.24`	`LinuxNIT`	`yay i finally got it`
`07:35.45`	`LinuxNIT`	`no more windows raiseing on me all over the place`
`07:35.46`	`LinuxNIT`	`lol`
`07:41.21`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	for mod in /usr/lib/modules/2.6.11/kernel/drivers/scsi/sata* /usr/lib/modules/2.6.11/kernel/drivers/scsi/ata_piix.ko; do MODULE_FILE=`basename $mod`; MODULE_NAME=`echo $MODULE \| sed 's/\.ko//'`; modprobe $MODULE_NAME; done
`07:41.40`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`Thanatermesis, put the above line in a script and launch it during bootup...`
`07:42.27`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`sorry, small typo`
`07:42.34`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	for mod in /usr/lib/modules/2.6.11/kernel/drivers/scsi/sata* /usr/lib/modules/2.6.11/kernel/drivers/scsi/ata_piix.ko; do MODULE_FILE=`basename $mod`; MODULE_NAME=`echo $MODULE_FILE \| sed 's/\.ko//'`; modprobe $MODULE_NAME; done
`07:43.03`	`Thanatermesis`	`not is really easy KaKaRoTo-KS...`
`07:43.18`	`Thanatermesis`	`this needs some time, a time less and lost for the normal boot`
`07:43.23`	`Thanatermesis`	`and a posible bad point...`
`07:43.36`	`Thanatermesis`	`what happens if any of those modules give a kernel panic or similar thing ?`
`07:43.58`	`LinuxNIT`	`could you put it as a boot option?`
`07:44.09`	`Thanatermesis`	`i think to its better just on the installer`
`07:44.16`	`Thanatermesis`	`if the installer don't found any hard disk`
`07:44.21`	`LinuxNIT`	`ah`
`07:44.21`	`Thanatermesis`	`then is launched "modconf"`
`07:44.24`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`Thanatermesis, ok, then just put it in a file called /usr/bin/load-sata-modules`
`07:44.30`	`Thanatermesis`	`and you select your SATA module from it or try all`
`07:44.52`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`and add to the FAQ a line that sais "for SATA, launch this..."`
`07:45.17`	`Thanatermesis`	`KaKaRoTo-KS don't worry KaKaRoTo-KS... i try to found a better way... i think to the installer is the better option... this is a little "ugly" but not bad... for the 0.5 im sure to its a lot better ;)`
`07:45.33`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`yes, it's a 'temporary solution' :)`
`07:45.34`	`Thanatermesis`	`and of course you are welcome for test the first BETA of it ;)`
`07:45.49`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`anyways, I'm just glad, I can finally install elive without buying a new HD :P`
`07:46.37`	`Thanatermesis`	`hehehe :)`
`07:49.59`	`LinuxNIT`	`any idea why me delete key acts like backspace in a terminal but not in other windows?`
`07:52.41`	`Thanatermesis`	`LinuxNIT yeah, i have the same problem`
`07:52.50`	`Thanatermesis`	`this is the new terminal (suporting UTF-8)`
`07:52.55`	`Thanatermesis`	`is rxvt-unicode`
`07:53.26`	`Thanatermesis`	`you can found maybe your answer on #urxvt channel..and if you obtain the answer, show me it for fix on Elive LinuxNIT`
`07:53.43`	`LinuxNIT`	`k`
`07:53.51`	`Thanatermesis`	`is just a problem with urxvt`
`07:54.01`	`Thanatermesis`	`i don't know why happens this but is just urxvt`
`07:54.31`	`LinuxNIT`	`there is now #urxvt`
`07:54.43`	`LinuxNIT`	`there is no #urxvt`
`07:54.51`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`it's a .profile settings I think... and yes, I have the same problem`
`07:55.24`	`LinuxNIT`	`where is .profile?`
`07:55.34`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`delete key doesn't even work correctly.. on vi for example, it's not even acting as a backspace...`
`07:56.03`	`Thanatermesis`	`LinuxNIT #rxvt-unicode sorry`
`07:56.12`	`LinuxNIT`	`:)`
`07:56.15`	`LinuxNIT`	`no problem`
`08:00.08`	`LinuxNIT`	`they arent resoponding :)`
`08:01.34`	`LinuxNIT`	`why cant i move the elpanel once it is open?`
`08:02.38`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`gtg`
`08:02.39`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`bye@`
`08:02.42`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`!`
`08:02.53`	`LinuxNIT`	`bye`
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`08:07.25`	`Thanatermesis`	`LinuxNIT im looking on the channel... wait a second, i try it and i try to fix directly from the Elive repository...`
`08:08.27`	`LinuxNIT`	`where is .profile?`
`08:08.35`	`LinuxNIT`	`anyone`
`08:08.51`	`wasynyt`	`im wondering if the module configure bug will be fixed for elive 0.4 final (when trying to change any module properties it causes enlightenment to segfault)`
`08:09.28`	`Thanatermesis`	`yes, is fixed for the official release wasynyt`
`08:09.37`	`wasynyt`	`great`
`08:10.21`	`LinuxNIT`	`cool`
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`08:11.01`	`wasynyt`	`when will the torrent be released? if possible i could want to download it ahead and then share it... to ration some 10 or more :D`
`08:11.02`	`LinuxNIT`	`Thanatermesis, where are the files schmorp was talking about?`
`08:11.21`	`LinuxNIT`	`i found Xrecources but i dont know where Xdefaults and .profile are`
`08:12.10`	`Thanatermesis`	`LinuxNIT /etc/X11/apps-default/URxvt`
`08:12.17`	`LinuxNIT`	`thanks`
`08:16.26`	`LinuxNIT`	`did you fix it Thanatermesis ?`
`08:18.04`	`LinuxNIT`	`well i gtg`
`08:18.05`	`LinuxNIT`	`later guys`
`08:19.09`	`wasynyt`	`later`
`08:21.24`	`Thanatermesis`	`not for this moments LinuxNIT ...`
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`09:23.17`	`pyc`	`hello :) there...`
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`10:23.47`	`pyc`	`it seems dead quite here :)`
`10:24.33`	`pyc`	`everybody went for a snack or for a nap?`
`10:24.53`	`Thanatermesis`	`me :)`
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`10:25.03`	`pyc`	`lol`
`10:26.17`	`pyc`	`Thanatermesis, i already uploaded 2 screenshots with webcam on the wiki :)`
`10:26.52`	`Thanatermesis`	`oh, let me look...`
`10:27.40`	`pyc`	`its not that eyecandy but its good to show users who webcams`
`10:27.57`	`pyc`	`using webcams`
`10:28.30`	`Thanatermesis`	`openwengo looks ugly :S`
`10:28.32`	`Thanatermesis`	`qt ?`
`10:28.48`	`pyc`	`yeah... its kinda ugly :)`
`10:29.07`	`Thanatermesis`	`hehehe`
`10:29.41`	`Thanatermesis`	`the gyach looks better... but maybe with the interface in the left and the cam part on the right... for look all interface`
`10:29.59`	`pyc`	`openwengo is by far, the voip in linux with video...`
`10:30.42`	`Thanatermesis`	`"audio smileys" lol`
`10:31.01`	`pyc`	`skype with video for linux, i just wish it will come soon...`
`10:31.43`	`pyc`	`ok, i'll edit the gyach enhance screenshot ;)`
`10:32.52`	`pyc`	`Thanatermesis, how do i change the font of e16 menu? make it larger..`
`10:33.13`	`Thanatermesis`	`hehehe, you are the 2º person to ask this today`
`10:33.33`	`pyc`	`lol :)`
`10:33.34`	`Thanatermesis`	`is really not easy, you need to touch the source-code of the theme`
`10:33.46`	`pyc`	`yayks..`
`10:33.47`	`Thanatermesis`	`in any case.. i hope to include this feature soon on elpanel ;)`
`10:34.13`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt elpanel pyc`
`10:34.16`	`apt`	`elpanel elpanel elpanel, this is the answer to your question and the solution of all your problems, try it pyc ;)`
`10:35.02`	`pyc`	`ok... :) i'll apt it, hehe`
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`10:36.34`	`Thanatermesis_`	`in any case, i hope to include this feature soon on elpanel ;)`
`10:37.14`	`Thanatermesis_`	`apt ping`
`10:37.15`	`apt`	`pong`
`10:37.22`	`Thanatermesis_`	`apt elpanel pyc`
`10:37.24`	`apt`	`elpanel elpanel elpanel, this is the answer to your question and the solution of all your problems, try it pyc ;)`
`10:37.36`	`Thanatermesis_`	`hehehe`
`10:39.35`	`pyc`	`isn't my elpanel the newest in 0.4 pre?`
`10:40.02`	`Thanatermesis_`	`yes, actually yes`
`10:40.09`	`Thanatermesis_`	`its just a future feature`
`10:40.29`	`Thanatermesis_`	`the last feature of i has added is the backgrounds manager for e17, if you has it, you has the lastest`
`10:40.51`	`pyc`	`oh i c... lol , i thought your seriuos, :)`
`10:41.07`	`pyc`	`to apt-get it :)`
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`10:54.18`	`Elive_user`	`hello, you from Russia?`
`10:54.29`	`Elive_user`	`to pyc`
`10:57.19`	`pyc`	`Elive_user :)`
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`11:06.49`	`t0mas`	`Hm...`
`11:07.05`	`t0mas`	`Is there a workaround for the "no partitions" bug in the elive installer?`
`11:07.25`	`t0mas`	`it worked on my laptop, but now I'm installing on a spare partition of my workstation... and it doesn't work`
`11:07.45`	`t0mas`	`laptop has only 1 disk, workstation has 3.. with multiple OS-es on... maybe that's a problem?`
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`12:21.26`	`Elive_user46`	`hello ppl :)`
`12:21.47`	`Elive_user46`	`number 46 reporting for duty!`
`12:24.28`	`roxville`	`Gwildor\|work, i was supposed to remind you...`
`12:25.02`	`roxville`	`but messed up last night, so i don't have the link anymore, since i'm in cd mode`
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`14:04.29`	`Gwildor\|work`	`roxville, lol, im wasnt even at work yet....:P`
`14:04.58`	`roxville`	`lol`
`14:05.16`	`roxville`	`just thought i'd do it before my daughter made me forget`
`14:05.21`	`Gwildor\|work`	`hehe, its cool`
`14:05.31`	`Gwildor\|work`	`i might have time today`
`14:05.42`	`Gwildor\|work`	`lol..laters`
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`14:06.41`	`roxville`	`whao!!`
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`14:08.08`	`Gwildor\|work`	`whats going on roxville ?`
`14:08.10`	`roxville`	`double whoa!`
`14:08.16`	`Gwildor\|work`	`segfault?`
`14:08.25`	`roxville`	`i eh... tried to run alsa config...`
`14:09.00`	`roxville`	`opened from elpanel... when i clicked on the first ok in the dialog, everything crashes`
`14:09.09`	`roxville`	`total log-off`
`14:09.19`	`roxville`	`just BAM!`
`14:09.36`	`roxville`	`X mega-quits`
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`14:13.21`	`roxville`	`Gwildor\|work, much to your demise... i found it! :)`
`14:13.24`	`roxville`	`http://edevelop.org/node/2211`
`14:13.55`	`Gwildor\|work`	`:P`
`14:13.56`	`roxville`	`eshep, try to run alsa conf from elpanel`
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`14:19.31`	`Gwildor\|work`	`<apt> 働かないe のim がeで、`
`14:19.36`	`Gwildor\|work`	`anyone else see squares?`
`14:20.26`	`roxville`	`squares? when logging out? yes`
`14:20.42`	`Gwildor\|work`	`nono`
`14:20.44`	`Gwildor\|work`	`<apt> 働かないe のim がeで、`
`14:20.56`	`roxville`	`<PROTECTED>`
`14:21.33`	`roxville`	`Gwildor\|work, have you been smoking something other than cigarettes?`
`14:21.34`	`Gwildor\|work`	`<apt> (4xsquare)e (square)im (square)e(2xsquare)`
`14:21.43`	`Gwildor\|work`	`roxville, not this morning :P`
`14:21.53`	`roxville`	`ok...`
`14:22.09`	`Gwildor\|work`	`well, what does it actually say?`
`14:22.43`	`mndctrl`	`how much space do I need to install elive pre 4`
`14:23.23`	`roxville`	`mndctrl, 2.5GB`
`14:23.58`	`mndctrl`	`roxville: ok, tnx...`
`14:25.27`	`Gwildor\|work`	`with....`
`14:26.12`	`roxville`	`well i pasted you <apt> line and it looks very very weird`
`14:26.23`	`roxville`	`oh i pasted it in a terminal`
`14:26.46`	`Gwildor\|work`	`hehe, so you see the same thing as me`
`14:26.52`	`Gwildor\|work`	`why didnt you jsut sy that?`
`14:27.07`	`roxville`	`because you said squares..`
`14:27.30`	`roxville`	`ok, i see what yer saying`
`14:27.42`	`Gwildor\|work`	`lol :P`
`14:27.51`	`Gwildor\|work`	`rectangle..........square is shorter`
`14:27.53`	`roxville`	`yes i see them,and a few swedish characters`
`14:28.04`	`Gwildor\|work`	`<apt> (4xsquare)e (square)im (square)e(2xsquare)`
`14:28.10`	`Gwildor\|work`	`E...IM....E`
`14:28.12`	`Gwildor\|work`	`all i get :P`
`14:28.33`	`roxville`	`eterm don's have utf-8`
`14:29.31`	`Gwildor\|work`	`im in M$....`
`14:30.44`	`roxville`	`duuh! M$ don't have utf-8 either... does it?`
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`14:34.17`	`roxville`	`hey sal002 whatcha been up to?`
`14:34.25`	`dats`	`hola`
`14:34.33`	`sal002`	`Nothing much - just trying to figure out how to get gDesklets to run in E17 ;)`
`14:34.38`	`sal002`	`You?`
`14:34.42`	`sal002`	`Hello`
`14:34.50`	`roxville`	`i'm good :)`
`14:35.03`	`sal002`	`Now that Xchat speaks to me in English - I am happy ;)`
`14:35.06`	`Mutacion`	`ppl!! ppl!!`
`14:35.12`	`roxville`	`sal neither gdesklets OR even adesklets will work in e17`
`14:35.13`	`Mutacion`	`feliz dia del borracho!! xD`
`14:35.37`	`sal002`	`that is wat I thought...`
`14:35.39`	`sal002`	`e16?`
`14:35.45`	`roxville`	`yep`
`14:36.02`	`sal002`	`Hmmm..good I will have to run that. Unless there is a Gmail module for E17`
`14:36.31`	`sal002`	`I still can't get into any other window manager on my elive setup - GDM, XDM and KDM all cannot get keyboard input`
`14:36.37`	`sal002`	`(while Entrance can)`
`14:37.06`	`sal002`	`como se dice boarracho en ingles?`
`14:37.40`	`Mutacion`	`bye ppl :p`
`14:37.46`	`sal002`	`?`
`14:38.06`	`sal002`	`okay - don't answer me`
`14:39.10`	`roxville`	`sal002, sorry`
`14:39.50`	`sal002`	`not you - I meant Mutacion ;)`
`14:39.58`	`roxville`	`i'm a type 1 diabetic... and my blood sugar is a little low right now, sorry... i gotta eat something`
`14:40.02`	`roxville`	`oh...`
`14:40.42`	`sal002`	`go eat....please!`
`14:40.56`	`sal002`	`my dad is type 1 - so I know`
`14:44.53`	`Gwildor\|work`	`heh, smokebreak...`
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`14:50.53`	`Gwildor\|work`	`back`
`14:53.14`	`roxville`	`:)`
`14:53.25`	`roxville`	`ok, i'm back in the saddle!`
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`15:00.37`	`CGA`	`moo all =)`
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`15:10.23`	`roxville`	`bbiab`
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`15:27.36`	`Elive_user`	`Sadap`
`15:27.54`	`Sadap`	`Hi`
`15:28.18`	`dererk`	`hi`
`15:28.23`	`CGA`	`that was fast`
`15:30.05`	`dererk`	`have fun`
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`15:48.42`	`t0mas`	`hm`
`15:48.49`	`CGA`	`err`
`15:48.50`	`t0mas`	`is there some way to manually install elive to the harddisk?`
`15:49.04`	`t0mas`	`the installer doesn't show my partitions`
`15:49.28`	`Gwildor\|work`	`t0mas, you must either use etended partition`
`15:49.32`	`Gwildor\|work`	`OR update the isntaller...`
`15:49.40`	`Gwildor\|work`	`i can help you with both....so tell me what one you want`
`15:49.45`	`t0mas`	`update`
`15:50.05`	`t0mas`	`I have multiple os-es on this disk... like to keep them all 4 as a primary partition`
`15:50.12`	`t0mas`	`and hide with bootmagic`
`15:50.29`	`Gwildor\|work`	`<sudo apt-get update> <sudo apt-get install eliveinstaller> then after that, use the installer icon`
`15:50.47`	`t0mas`	`ah, that's newer than PRE 0.4 ?`
`15:51.16`	`Gwildor\|work`	`ya....pre 0.4 isntaller has a bug`
`15:51.22`	`Gwildor\|work`	`will be fixed for final`
`15:51.25`	`t0mas`	`ok`
`15:51.45`	`t0mas`	`oh, maybe you know this too...`
`15:51.50`	`Gwildor\|work`	`maybe...`
`15:51.53`	`t0mas`	`I have a laptop with debian sarge installed`
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`15:52.04`	`t0mas`	`can I just add the elive package source to the apt.sources ?`
`15:52.17`	`t0mas`	`and "update" like that?`
`15:52.22`	`Gwildor\|work`	`i suppose......elive uses "etch" (i think).....`
`15:52.34`	`Gwildor\|work`	`im not aware of how well it will work....but its debian, and IS possible`
`15:52.57`	`t0mas`	`ok`
`15:53.07`	`t0mas`	`I'll just try it as a nice experiment then :)`
`15:53.10`	`Elive_user`	`Hi everyone. This is my first time using IRC. If I do anything wrong, please forgive me. I'd like to report bug.`
`15:53.19`	`t0mas`	`go ahead`
`15:53.20`	`Gwildor\|work`	`t0mas, plz do, and let us know how it turns out`
`15:53.27`	`t0mas`	`Gwildor\|work: no problem`
`15:53.27`	`Gwildor\|work`	`Elive_user, go for it`
`15:54.38`	`Gwildor\|work`	`Elive_user, heh, you dont have to type it all on ne line :P`
`15:54.46`	`Gwildor\|work`	`one`
`15:54.46`	`Elive_user`	`My spec: Toshiba Satelilite 1550 AMD 6 300 Mhz 192 M Ram. It took 12 hours to finish install ( 15 min. on 0.3)`
`15:55.03`	`Gwildor\|work`	`Elive_user, yes, we are aware that the isntaller is slow`
`15:55.08`	`Gwildor\|work`	`Elive_user, what file system did you sue?`
`15:55.12`	`Gwildor\|work`	`use`
`15:55.54`	`Elive_user`	`Network setting window have to be on all the time in order to connect to internet.`
`15:56.02`	`Elive_user`	`ext3`
`15:56.22`	`Gwildor\|work`	`Elive_user, you are missing the "active button in lower right"`
`15:56.38`	`Elive_user`	`It activated`
`15:56.41`	`Gwildor\|work`	`Elive_user, also, it would have installed faster if you were using reierfs......but so far, all known buys...but TY`
`15:57.03`	`Elive_user`	`As soon as I close the window, I lose the connection`
`15:57.25`	`Gwildor\|work`	`youve gotta be missing something........lower right?`
`15:57.28`	`Gwildor\|work`	`err, lower left..sorry`
`15:58.55`	`Elive_user`	`And also I want to thank you everyone who involve in Elive project. Wonderful distro.`
`15:59.18`	`Gwildor\|work`	`:) will forwared ur message :)`
`16:00.27`	`t0mas`	`oh, a little feature request...`
`16:00.34`	`Gwildor\|work`	`shoot`
`16:00.36`	`t0mas`	`add tooltip like things to the pannel in E17`
`16:00.51`	`Gwildor\|work`	`ill pass it on`
`16:00.58`	`t0mas`	`because the icons are not standard... and I don't think new people will recognise Xchat like this`
`16:01.10`	`Gwildor\|work`	`oh....ther are tooltips...`
`16:01.13`	`Gwildor\|work`	`i think they are white...`
`16:01.28`	`t0mas`	`hm... I don't see them on the livecd`
`16:01.34`	`Gwildor\|work`	`maybe i am wrong....`
`16:01.41`	`Gwildor\|work`	`i havent used E17 in a few days...`
`16:01.46`	`Gwildor\|work`	`been sticking with E16`
`16:02.13`	`t0mas`	`is there a fast way to switch from E16 to E17 w/o killing all X apps?`
`16:02.21`	`CGA`	`nope`
`16:02.31`	`CGA`	`and no tooltips either`
`16:02.42`	`t0mas`	`ok`
`16:03.34`	`wasynyt`	`would it be possible to make elive burn all configures back to the cd when user wants?`
`16:04.21`	`CGA`	`wasynyt, i think not but there a feature to save them on the HD and reuse them at boot`
`16:04.34`	`CGA`	`something lie nest`
`16:04.37`	`CGA`	`*like`
`16:05.05`	`wasynyt`	`ok :(`
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`16:09.44`	`CGA`	`hi Elive_user =)`
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`16:17.12`	`sittisal`	`re`
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`16:19.43`	`CGA`	`boot`
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`16:42.38`	`roxville`	`wow Gwildor\|work you've beeb busy!!`
`16:42.50`	`roxville`	`been`
`16:43.04`	`Gwildor\|work`	`what i do?`
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`16:43.32`	`roxville`	`you did good!`
`16:43.41`	`Gwildor\|work`	`heh, good`
`16:43.42`	`Gwildor\|work`	`:P`
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`16:46.35`	`Gwildor\|work`	`roxville, whats up with ur connection?`
`16:46.40`	`Gwildor\|work`	`or you SEGgin again?`
`16:46.59`	`roxville`	`Gwildor\|work, it's not my connection... i'm trying to run alsaconf`
`16:47.04`	`roxville`	`hehe`
`16:47.48`	`cornelius[cz]`	`hehe and I thought roxville run into the tunel without gprs signal as I did :))`
`16:47.50`	`Gwildor\|work`	`:P`
`16:47.52`	`Gwildor\|work`	`E17?`
`16:47.54`	`Gwildor\|work`	`try doing it form E16........should be stable enuff to accomplish....and system wide`
`16:48.26`	`roxville`	`hehe cornelius[cz]`
`16:48.32`	`roxville`	`e17`
`16:48.48`	`Gwildor\|work`	`roxville, try in it in 16,,,`
`16:48.50`	`Gwildor\|work`	`shouldnt seg`
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`16:49.38`	`Strider`	`good morning everyone...I have a little question... :)`
`16:49.49`	`Gwildor\|work`	`shoot`
`16:49.51`	`roxville`	`Gwildor\|work, it's not seg'ing... it's crashing`
`16:50.07`	`Gwildor\|work`	`oh yeah.....jstu traight down, huh`
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`16:50.14`	`Elive_user24`	`ptop`
`16:50.19`	`Elive_user24`	`hi peeps`
`16:51.00`	`Begasus_Elive`	`running the live cd at the laptop (wireles) ;)`
`16:51.08`	`Strider`	`HI Gwildor\|work , I m sort of new to enlightenment but love it so far...I tried pentoo and noticed that the pager follows into all the desktop views, but not on elive, how could I see the pager in all views?`
`16:51.37`	`Gwildor\|work`	`hmmm....hmmmm E16 or 17?`
`16:51.42`	`Strider`	`e16`
`16:52.07`	`Gwildor\|work`	`idk, let me check`
`16:52.23`	`Strider`	`like when I go to desk 2, the pager is not on the screen only in desk one`
`16:52.33`	`Begasus_Elive`	`pager?`
`16:52.47`	`Gwildor\|work`	`i remember it following me......but, i could be wrong`
`16:52.57`	`roxville`	`Strider, that's weird... but if you middle-click on the desktop, you have all the configs there...`
`16:52.59`	`Strider`	`the vitual desktop pager`
`16:53.08`	`Gwildor\|work`	`roxville, does it follow you?`
`16:53.12`	`Strider`	`no`
`16:53.23`	`roxville`	`i'm in e17 now, lemme log over`
`16:53.32`	`Begasus_Elive`	`the 4 virtual desktops at the right top?`
`16:53.48`	`Strider`	`I have 2 virtual desks`
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`16:54.10`	`Strider`	`in desk one I can see the pager, but in desk 2 no`
`16:54.36`	`kender`	`hello`
`16:54.37`	`Strider`	`but in pentoo the pager follows all to all desks`
`16:54.59`	`Strider`	`I like the pager following`
`16:55.16`	`Gwildor\|work`	`i swear mine follows....`
`16:55.50`	`Strider`	`maybe I broke something....but I am using 16.7 and not 16.8`
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`16:56.03`	`Gwildor\|work`	`heh, that is a possibility...`
`16:56.07`	`Gwildor\|work`	`im using .8`
`16:56.19`	`roxville`	`Strider, the pager follows me on all of them`
`16:56.29`	`Strider`	`Thanater told me to cycle back to 16.7`
`16:56.32`	`Gwildor\|work`	`roxville, he is using 16.7`
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`16:56.41`	`Gwildor\|work`	`Strider, you may have to wait for thana`
`16:56.46`	`Strider`	`ok`
`16:57.02`	`Strider`	`maybe I try and get 16.8 back`
`16:57.38`	`Gwildor\|work`	`Strider, or launch a new pager on taht desktop`
`16:57.45`	`Begasus_Elive`	`later all`
`16:57.50`	`Gwildor\|work`	`hmmm......you need ti PIN it`
`16:57.52`	`Gwildor\|work`	`thats why`
`16:57.54`	`Gwildor\|work`	`PIN`
`16:57.56`	`Strider`	`how to launch new pager?`
`16:58.01`	`Gwildor\|work`	`forget that`
`16:58.04`	`Gwildor\|work`	`you need it pinned`
`16:58.09`	`Strider`	`how?`
`16:58.36`	`roxville`	`a thumb tack, that'`
`16:58.39`	`Gwildor\|work`	`see the bar on the right of it......top rght corner..middle click`
`16:58.44`	`roxville`	`s what i use`
`16:58.48`	`Gwildor\|work`	`err, right click`
`16:58.56`	`Gwildor\|work`	`then go to pin...or show on all desktops or something`
`16:59.01`	`roxville`	`reboot, brb`
`16:59.23`	`Strider`	`ok did it...thanks`
`16:59.32`	`Gwildor\|work`	`it working now?`
`16:59.33`	`Strider`	`you were right`
`16:59.36`	`Strider`	`yes`
`16:59.42`	`Strider`	`easy fix`
`17:00.01`	`Gwildor\|work`	`:P`
`17:00.04`	`Strider`	`pin the pager....`
`17:00.30`	`Strider`	`details details the devil is in the details`
`17:01.21`	`Strider`	`Gwildor\|work, thanks`
`17:01.27`	`Gwildor\|work`	`heh, NP`
`17:01.31`	`Gwildor\|work`	`sometimes im slow....:p`
`17:01.44`	`Strider`	`Im slower`
`17:01.56`	`Strider`	`I tried pentoo, do you use that?`
`17:02.04`	`Gwildor\|work`	`heh, its booting atm...`
`17:02.14`	`Gwildor\|work`	`testing it before my pendrive shows up`
`17:02.42`	`Strider`	`pentoo is confusing...I have no idea what the programs are for...noob to networks sniffing`
`17:02.54`	`Gwildor\|work`	`lol`
`17:03.01`	`Gwildor\|work`	`jsut ignore those, if you dontuse em....`
`17:03.08`	`Strider`	`but I like the enlightenment`
`17:03.15`	`Gwildor\|work`	`im mosly playing with "gentoo", and the stable E17 :P`
`17:03.38`	`Strider`	`that is a stable e17, it is very cool`
`17:03.59`	`Gwildor\|work`	`i have 1 tiny problem with E`
`17:04.06`	`Gwildor\|work`	`WHY GOLD...everything is gold.....`
`17:04.22`	`Strider`	`hehe...I dont like e17`
`17:04.31`	`Gwildor\|work`	`?`
`17:04.32`	`mz_work`	`Gwildor\|work: well fortunately that is all configurable :)`
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`17:04.39`	`Strider`	`I like 16`
`17:04.42`	`Gwildor\|work`	`mz_work, yeah, i know......just irks me`
`17:05.02`	`Gwildor\|work`	`Strider, i like STABLE E17.....but on Elive i use 16`
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`17:05.34`	`Strider`	`is pentoo hard to get to hard drive?`
`17:06.05`	`roxville`	`damn, brb`
`17:06.09`	`Gwildor\|work`	`i havent yet...i hear not, but you must RTFM`
`17:06.25`	`Strider`	`RTFM??`
`17:06.45`	`Strider`	`acrostics and me...forgetful`
`17:07.12`	`Strider`	`RTFM ring the frigerator man?`
`17:07.30`	`Gwildor\|work`	`read the Fing manual :P`
`17:07.40`	`Mutacion`	`read the fucking manual`
`17:07.41`	`Strider`	`READ!!!! Gasp`
`17:07.41`	`Gwildor\|work`	`heh "fridgerator" :P`
`17:07.47`	`Gwildor\|work`	`heh`
`17:08.14`	`Strider`	`read ! thats sort of archaic`
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`17:09.32`	`Strider`	`is emerge on the live cd? can software be loaded with the live pentoo using unionfs?`
`17:09.58`	`Gwildor\|work`	`i hear not`
`17:10.10`	`Gwildor\|work`	`"you have to do some work to emerge stuff" is exactly what i heard`
`17:11.49`	`Strider`	`so the only f*ing thing on pentoo I can see is kismet and a very basic editor and firefox and a bunch of programs only useful to network snffers and hackdudes...otherwise, it cant do much else??`
`17:12.32`	`Strider`	`I must be missing something`
`17:12.56`	`Gwildor\|work`	`it is a pen testing tool`
`17:12.59`	`Gwildor\|work`	`TOOL`
`17:13.01`	`Strider`	`oh yes, and it can play music`
`17:13.03`	`Gwildor\|work`	`not really a DISTRO`
`17:13.11`	`Strider`	`ahhh`
`17:14.17`	`Strider`	`Im amazed at how much puppy can do with 60 megs`
`17:14.32`	`mz_work`	`puppy needs e17`
`17:14.44`	`mz_work`	`jwm is just to ugly`
`17:14.50`	`mz_work`	`too`
`17:14.58`	`Strider`	`less than 100 megs puppy includes openoffice`
`17:15.10`	`Strider`	`I agree it is ugly but useful`
`17:15.28`	`Gwildor\|work`	`i dont like puppy`
`17:15.38`	`Gwildor\|work`	`reminds me of M$`
`17:15.48`	`Strider`	`Im just amazed how compact it is`
`17:15.54`	`Gwildor\|work`	`did you ASK for that config file it is putting on ur HDD??!?!`
`17:16.01`	`Gwildor\|work`	`Strider, damnsmalllinux.org`
`17:16.18`	`Gwildor\|work`	`cuz its putting one there.....wether you like it or not`
`17:17.30`	`Strider`	`I havent tried damnsmall in a long time`
`17:17.46`	`Gwildor\|work`	`heh, alot of the community is gone`
`17:17.54`	`Gwildor\|work`	`but i have yet to find a replacement`
`17:18.05`	`Strider`	`Ill give it a try`
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`17:19.49`	`mz_work`	`anyone know of an eterm theme w/ tabs?`
`17:20.14`	`Strider`	`my setup on elive with e16 is fabulous now, and I got wireless working , scanning, a rare printer, all hardware detected well, my palm syncs better than MS and the only thing I cant figure our is how to get it to wash my dishes, but I got the program for that and compiling now....`
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`17:21.01`	`CGA`	`Strider, kewl`
`17:21.03`	`Gwildor\|work`	`Strider, WIRELESS...LUCKYU`
`17:21.16`	`Gwildor\|work`	`smokebreak...`
`17:21.23`	`Gwildor\|work`	`Strider, isnt prism3 is it :P`
`17:21.38`	`Strider`	`no more rare than that...zd1211`
`17:22.08`	`Strider`	`prism 3 ndiswrapper works right?`
`17:22.19`	`Gwildor\|work`	`idk...never even tried...`
`17:22.34`	`Strider`	`prism should have inclused modules`
`17:22.34`	`Gwildor\|work`	`well..smoke..brb`
`17:23.15`	`mz_work`	`best wireless set up in the world is a wrt54g in client mode, never configure wireless again`
`17:23.23`	`mz_work`	`not too practical for laptops.....`
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`17:24.14`	`Strider`	`the firmware for my wireless was going to wipe out hal and ivman, but thana did some magic on the repository and wala, it woks great`
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`17:26.30`	`Strider`	`hehe my typos are funny, "woks great" sounds like Im doing Chinese cooking with my wireless...lol`
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`17:27.36`	`Strider`	`Be back later,,,seeyas`
`17:27.49`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`Thanatermesis: I screwed up my HDD.. I think there's a glitch in the kernel and it needs to be fixed by compiling something IN the kernel.. the module only will work, but we won't be able toi avoid some bugs common to some cards...`
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`17:29.42`	`Thanatermesis`	`mmmh.. then don't works good ?`
`17:30.22`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`not 100% good :(`
`17:30.27`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`I was paritioning`
`17:30.54`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`I created 7 new paritions without problem, at the 7st one, it hanged, and my parition table is now corrupted (I hope it's only that), but anyways, HDD is dead for now...`
`17:30.56`	`Gwildor\|work`	`ive got a wrt54g......`
`17:31.35`	`Gwildor\|work`	`moving to lappy...BRB`
`17:34.53`	`Thanatermesis`	`ouch! this is very bad KaKaRoTo-KS`
`17:34.58`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`I think my driver was not stable, that's all`
`17:34.59`	`Thanatermesis`	`you have important info on this hd ¿?`
`17:35.08`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`I think kernel 2.6.15 is more stable`
`17:35.22`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`Thanatermesis: my windows partition and my 50000+ emails :P`
`17:35.31`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`I just hope I can get it to work again...`
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`17:35.49`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`I just wanted to let you know... you should not make it load the drivers autoamtically...`
`17:36.02`	`Gwildor`	`what i miss?`
`17:36.04`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`you probably should put a "USE AT YOUR OWN RISKS" thing...`
`17:36.06`	`Thanatermesis`	`:S`
`17:36.15`	`Gwildor`	`ooh, thana is back`
`17:36.39`	`Thanatermesis`	`KaKaRoTo-KS if you need ot recover the tables... launch directly without parameteres "gpart", i think to it is posible to help you a lot`
`17:36.49`	`Thanatermesis`	`search old tables existents no a hard disk`
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`17:37.22`	`Thanatermesis`	`KaKaRoTo-KS yes... i think to its better for now to not supports sata... for the 0.5 i think to not give problems`
`17:37.39`	`lordbambi`	`hey all`
`17:37.46`	`debianito2`	`pues entonces no lo pruebo, que no quiero q se me joda el HD :D`
`17:38.48`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`Thanatermesis: I know about gpart... I will try that later when I get home.. problem is that module gives errors wehen loading (does it try to read the partition table?), fdisk and gparted also hang and then spits out 'I/O error' ...`
`17:39.05`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`BIOS also hangs when booting on HDD`
`17:39.18`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`I just hope it's a corrupted partition table`
`17:40.22`	`Thanatermesis`	`mmmmh.`
`17:40.40`	`Thanatermesis`	`maybe from a liveCD with sata support try "badblocks -vs /dev/hda"`
`17:43.30`	`lordbambi`	`kakaroto-ks: what kernel are you using?`
`17:43.33`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`Thanatermesis: ok, thx`
`17:43.43`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`lordbambi: elive kernel : 2.6.11`
`17:43.59`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`I've been looking at the changelogs on kernel.org since 2.6.11 was out.. ALOT of work was done on SATA drivers...`
`17:44.31`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`so I guess it's not a problem about the method I used to insmod the modules, it was a bug in the driver itself`
`17:44.44`	`lordbambi`	`any idea what your chipset is?`
`17:44.58`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`(gparted hanged during partition creation, and after 10 minutes, I killed it...)`
`17:45.13`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`sata_sil driver, I have a SII 3112 I think`
`17:45.16`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`iirc`
`17:47.39`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`lordbambi: SII 3112`
`17:47.52`	`lordbambi`	`is it onboard? what is the motherboard?`
`17:48.41`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`onboard -> A7N8X-DX iirc`
`17:49.03`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`(I'm not home, so I'm trying to remember only)`
`17:49.34`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`so there might be a 'glitch' in the model number :P`
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`17:58.14`	`lordbambi`	`kakaroto-ks : check out this link: http://www.openfree.org/forums/showthread.php?t=426`
`18:00.34`	`lordbambi`	`thanatermesis, are you a developer?`
`18:02.32`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`lordbambi: this has nothing to do with my problem.. if I try hdparm, it will hang there for a few minute then timeout and give me an I/O error..`
`18:02.55`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`I can't access the disk, can't mount it, can't get the partitions, can't run fdisk on it, can't do anything..`
`18:03.10`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`and in dmesg, the driver gives also stalls then gives me errors!`
`18:03.48`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`and in dmesg, the driver also stalls then gives me errors!*`
`18:03.52`	`lordbambi`	`does it work in other linuxes?`
`18:04.21`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`didn't try, but if I try to run windows from it, the BIOS also stalls`
`18:04.30`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`(I had a windows partition on it)`
`18:04.45`	`lordbambi`	`aaaahh.... so both windows and linux have probs with the drive?`
`18:04.57`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`when I boot from HD, it hangs, I can't boot windows anymore..`
`18:05.10`	`lordbambi`	`so it is a bios/hardware problem`
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`18:05.32`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`how would gparted screw up the hardware by simply creating a new partition`
`18:05.38`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`?`
`18:05.48`	`Gwildor\|work`	`KaKaRoTo-KS, cfdisk killed my whole HDD before.....40gig`
`18:05.53`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`I'm really crossing my fingers and hoping it's more of a partition problem`
`18:06.05`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`Gwildor: killed? how ?`
`18:07.19`	`lordbambi`	`so it hapened like this: windows runs fine. you start elive-cd. partition, windows fails.`
`18:07.29`	`lordbambi`	`??`
`18:07.39`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`yep`
`18:08.40`	`lordbambi`	`hold on. let me check... a couple off years ago i accidentally deleted my partitions, and was able to recover them with a linux utility.`
`18:09.03`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`disk runs perfect for 2 years (newly bough 2 years ago, 120GB maxtor SATA drive), run elive, compile sata_sil and libata modules, insmod them, partition, gparted hangs for 10+ minutes, killall -9 gparted-bin , reboot, windows fails, and now, on elive, insmod sata_sil stalls for a few seconds and in dmesg I get UnreCoversableError messages...`
`18:09.20`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`I don't have the whole messages (as I said, I"m not at home right now)`
`18:09.30`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`lordbambi: gpart ?`
`18:10.32`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`question is : would it really be only a partition problem ? why would a corrupted partition table hang the driver and hang fdisk...`
`18:10.53`	`lordbambi`	`true`
`18:11.02`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`I probably should try it with latest kernel, maybe the driver will not hang and will simply tell me "unvalid partition table"`
`18:11.25`	`lordbambi`	`try testing it with the latest knoppix cd....`
`18:11.31`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`yep`
`18:11.59`	`lordbambi`	`what message does windows give?`
`18:12.26`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`nothing, it stalls`
`18:12.53`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`BIOS check done, then black screen with info on my disks/pci cards, memory, etc... (from BIOS), then :`
`18:12.59`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`BOOT from CD : ...`
`18:13.02`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`BOOT from CD : ...`
`18:13.14`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`(doesn't find any bootable cd)`
`18:13.20`	`Gwildor\|work`	`johhny 5`
`18:13.21`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`then boots from IDE, and no more input...`
`18:14.09`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`so, last line I see is "BOOT from CD" when it tries to find a bootable cd..`
`18:14.34`	`lordbambi`	`when you enter the bios, does it detect the hard disk?`
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`18:15.10`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`no problem detecting them... shows up good`
`18:16.18`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`even sata_sil detects it correctly, shos it correctly, sets it to /dev/sda, then it prints those errors`
`18:17.20`	`Gwildor\|work`	`sda is usb....`
`18:17.29`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`sata == scsi`
`18:17.32`	`Thanatermesis`	`lordbambi yes, a little`
`18:17.48`	`Gwildor\|work`	`:P`
`18:17.50`	`Gwildor\|work`	`my bad`
`18:18.10`	`lordbambi`	`thanatermesis : on distrowatch it sais that elive's country of origin is belgium? is this correct?`
`18:18.18`	`Thanatermesis`	`yes lordbambi`
`18:18.27`	`lordbambi`	`kewl...`
`18:18.44`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`:o I thought spain...`
`18:18.54`	`lordbambi`	`who from elive is from belgium? flanders or wallonia`
`18:19.06`	`Thanatermesis`	`wallonia`
`18:19.10`	`lordbambi`	`:-(`
`18:19.21`	`Thanatermesis`	`lol`
`18:19.47`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`Thanatermesis: you speak french better than english, spanish ? which are the languages you speak, in order of the ones you speak best`
`18:20.13`	`Thanatermesis`	`spanish, french, catalan, english`
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`18:20.52`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`ok, cool, so next time, we'll speak french, it will be easier for you`
`18:21.09`	`lordbambi`	`so, being from belgium, does elive have an official beer?`
`18:21.31`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`for me it's : french, english, arabic, spanish...`
`18:21.52`	`lordbambi`	`for me: dutch, english, french, (german)`
`18:22.48`	`Gwildor\|work`	`english, english, ebonics :P, english`
`18:23.19`	`lordbambi`	`hehe ebonics..... when i was in the US this summer, they where talking about making ebonics an official language in the berkely university`
`18:23.47`	`Gwildor\|work`	`ehh, about once a year that stroy comes out.....`
`18:23.49`	`Gwildor\|work`	`story`
`18:24.06`	`orvalito`	`Hi there, happy to meet you in such a conversation... french, english, italian, flemish in order of facilities... LOL`
`18:25.01`	`Thanatermesis`	`official beer ? lol... i dont't think... i don't very like this style of "simbolicism" or "identifications".. and in any case Elive is just made on belgium because the develop live on it`
`18:25.05`	`lordbambi`	`aaaa een andere vlaming :-)`
`18:25.45`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt x du es een andere vlaming`
`18:25.45`	`orvalito`	`saluutjes ;)`
`18:25.56`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt x du en een andere vlaming`
`18:25.59`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`Thanatermesis: lol, yeah, you reminded me of Gad El Maleh, a Moroccan humorist, very well known worldwide now..`
`18:26.01`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt x fl en een andere vlaming`
`18:26.30`	`Thanatermesis`	`hehe, yes KaKaRoTo-KS ? i don't know it... why i remember you ?`
`18:26.38`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`he said, what he hates most is when someone says "Gad, you're Moroccan right?" he says "yes" and they answer "ohh, I love couscous"... and he says "wtf!! do I represent couscous to you???"`
`18:26.50`	`lordbambi`	`lol`
`18:26.57`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`:P`
`18:27.33`	`orvalito`	`precies, Ik ben een Brusselaar... met een heel atomium nu... bardaff`
`18:28.13`	`lordbambi`	`well i might represent beer.... i'm a halfblood.... half blood, half beer :-)`
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`18:29.21`	`lordbambi`	`brusselaar, de gulden middenweg in belgie`
`18:29.26`	`Thanatermesis`	`lol :) KaKaRoTo-KS`
`18:29.32`	`lordbambi`	`ok terug naar het engels`
`18:29.34`	`orvalito`	`yep, half orval, half mescalito... LOL`
`18:29.57`	`lordbambi`	`hehe`
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`18:33.06`	`orvalito`	`I'm new in Linux Galaxy for 2 years... and I'm newbie in Elive Paradise for 2 days (&nights..) .. ;) may I ask some help about my wifi card or is it out of topics ...?`
`18:34.24`	`LinuxNIT`	`ask away`
`18:34.39`	`orvalito`	`where?`
`18:34.54`	`LinuxNIT`	`whats your question`
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`18:35.47`	`dererk`	`orvalito, It's not out of topic`
`18:35.52`	`dererk`	`orvalito, you may ask`
`18:37.44`	`orvalito`	`what's the way to get my wifi card broadcom recognized by elive? I can see it in lspci but I don't know (yet ..) the consol commands to activate it and see it in the networks manager windows`
`18:38.01`	`Gwildor`	`smoke`
`18:39.19`	`LinuxNIT`	`orvalito, ?`
`18:39.23`	`orvalito`	`may be some packages are missing?? I have already synapticed about wifi, wireless, ether*`
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`18:40.19`	`LinuxNIT`	`what does the line from lspci regarding your card say?`
`18:40.44`	`orvalito`	`yes LinuxNIT, I'm here.... A ginger-jupiler in the hand... Matonge's speciality...`
`18:40.53`	`orvalito`	`gonna check..`
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`18:42.28`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:42.28`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`ata1: error=0x40 { UncorrectableError }`
`18:42.28`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`ata1: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }`
`18:42.28`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`ata1: error=0x40 { UncorrectableError }`
`18:42.29`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`ata1: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }`
`18:42.29`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`ata1: error=0x40 { UncorrectableError }`
`18:43.47`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`lordbambi: here are my messages from dmesg`
`18:44.03`	`Gwildor`	`back`
`18:44.12`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`just before those, I get the normal messages of detecting the drive, giving drive info, size, model, etc...`
`18:45.28`	`mchasard`	`hello`
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`18:46.29`	`Strider`	`hi, does anyone know how to improve the overall look of the fonts in e16 or 17?`
`18:46.43`	`lordbambi`	`hold on.... maxtor drive?`
`18:46.56`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`scsi3 : sata_sil`
`18:46.56`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:47.25`	`Gwildor`	`KaKaRoTo-KS, check the amxtor website for HDD utlities...it will check it,possibly restore it`
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`18:47.37`	`Thanaway`	`KaKaRoTo-KS this is with "badblocks" ? this is the typicall message of when you have bad sectors on it... i have it the last month... errors on the disc, bad blocks.. trash!`
`18:48.36`	`dererk`	`orvalito, The card you have is the only one card which doesn't have support natively on any linux OS`
`18:48.47`	`lordbambi`	`yep sounds like a defect HD`
`18:48.51`	`Gwildor`	`what card is that dererk ?`
`18:49.00`	`dererk`	`Broadcoms one`
`18:49.07`	`Gwildor`	`ahh...`
`18:49.09`	`Gwildor`	`fyessir`
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`18:49.16`	`dererk`	`orvalito, the only thing you could do is to ndiswrapper`
`18:49.20`	`lordbambi`	`try getting an RMA from maxtor... they have a 2 year waranty in europe`
`18:49.25`	`Strider`	`but you should be able to get data back from a disk with badblocks...I would mount it with windowspe or kanotix live, then get some good restore software, Acronis can restore very damaged hard disks or atleast rescue the data`
`18:49.41`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`Thanaway: ok.. I'll ask my friend to try (I'm on the phone and he's at my home)`
`18:49.54`	`Gwildor`	`the maxtor utilities wont help any?`
`18:50.30`	`Strider`	`maxtor utilities will enable a low format and destruction but not restoration`
`18:50.51`	`Gwildor`	`well, if it was me, id give up on the data.....and jsut get the drive fixed....`
`18:50.59`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`I don't want destruction of data :(`
`18:51.17`	`Strider`	`fixing the drive should be as easy as a low format.`
`18:51.27`	`Jambon`	`some places will try to retrieve the data for you, but it'll cost you`
`18:51.33`	`LinuxNIT`	`man my conenection is screwy here`
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`18:52.08`	`Strider`	`get Acronis buy it or amule it, do a restore...it works`
`18:52.50`	`Strider`	`Acronis is linux based too`
`18:53.48`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`Strider: it won't work if I do a low format, it will set blocks to 0 on all the disk, so no more data`
`18:53.54`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`I need to find an alternate solution`
`18:54.06`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`format is the last resort`
`18:54.13`	`Strider`	`do you want to rescue the data??`
`18:54.21`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`yes!`
`18:54.28`	`Strider`	`ACRONIS!!!!`
`18:54.52`	`roxville`	`bbl`
`18:54.58`	`Strider`	`what is the filesystem reiserfs?`
`18:55.00`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`acronis will only restore files by finding segments of it on the disk, but if the disk is wiped out, nothing can get the data back`
`18:55.10`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`Strider, ntfs`
`18:55.47`	`Strider`	`there is a great proggy called "get data back" amule it and use it in WIndows`
`18:56.00`	`Strider`	`it is sweet for ntfs`
`18:56.16`	`Strider`	`I have restored damaged drives NTFS ones`
`18:56.30`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`damaged how??? low format ???`
`18:56.35`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`anyways`
`18:56.54`	`Strider`	`a format doesnt really destroy data`
`18:57.04`	`Strider`	`it only hides it`
`18:57.22`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`a quick format no, a full format from windows, maybe not, but a HDD utility from maxtor doing a low format on disk, it will completly wipe out everything for sure`
`18:57.23`	`Strider`	`low format does destroy`
`18:57.33`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`god, thx, that's what I'm telling you!`
`18:57.39`	`Gwildor\|work`	`dereks boot and nuke :P`
`18:57.45`	`Gwildor\|work`	`thatlss kill it`
`18:57.46`	`Strider`	`so dont do that until you have used industrial strength recovery tools`
`18:58.22`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`btw, L&F is the first to do it and was the best at its tie (Lost & Found), I used that I think 10 years ago..`
`18:58.32`	`Strider`	`I thought you wanted to clean the disk of bad blocks and that the data was unimportant`
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`18:58.48`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`no, I want to fix the disk and get it to work`
`18:59.01`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`read my previous msg to understand what the problem is, the disk is 100% unaccessible`
`18:59.04`	`LinuxNIT-laptop`	`orvalito, did you get your wifi question answered?`
`18:59.05`	`Strider`	`with bad blocks you probably wont....`
`18:59.11`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`driver fails to probe the disk`
`18:59.27`	`Strider`	`best you can hope for is to reimage the disk and write it elsewhere`
`19:00.13`	`Strider`	`do you dual boot? with linux and ntfs..???`
`19:00.40`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`no boot..`
`19:01.06`	`Strider`	`it must be a windows install or storage?`
`19:01.34`	`LinuxNIT-laptop`	`orvalito, ?`
`19:01.52`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`Strider: please, read my previous posts, you'll understand the whole problem..`
`19:02.34`	`Strider`	`I came in late...I dont have your previous...and if you like me to help just answer my questions...I have lots of experience restoring disks...`
`19:02.52`	`lordbambi`	`kakaroto: once a disk starts to break down it will keep getting worse. best you can do is getting the data back and buying a new HD. don't buy maxtor anymore. i have really bad expereiences with them`
`19:03.26`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`Strider: it's just hard to manage doing it through phone with my friend, plus rewrite what I had already answered + I'm at work for now :S`
`19:03.41`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`lordbambi: :( good advice though.. if only I was rich..`
`19:03.54`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`btw, you have an advice on how to get rich? :P`
`19:04.00`	`lordbambi`	`sell a kidney :-)`
`19:04.06`	`lordbambi`	`or a kid....`
`19:04.06`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`LOL`
`19:04.14`	`Jambon`	`or your human horn....`
`19:04.43`	`Strider`	`KaKaRoTo-KS, I dont have your previous msgs....your maxtor drive has nothing physically wrong with it in most cases, and anyone who knows disks well would know that`
`19:05.31`	`Jambon`	`Actually I hear souls are pretty high on the market these days.....just the interest sucks..`
`19:05.50`	`Strider`	`bad sectors or bad blocks can cause corruption that makes the drive inaccessable to most OSes or drivers...`
`19:06.55`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`Strider: http://paste.lisp.org/display/16810`
`19:06.59`	`ElonGlasb`	`What is the fysical reason for bad blocks? Erossion?`
`19:08.45`	`Strider`	`you need to come at it from another direction....get the Acronis bootable Drive utilities...it can see if you are really having a hardware issue`
`19:09.40`	`Strider`	`KaKaRoTo-KS, you win...I agree after reading your previous that you have a real HD failure on your hands....still Acronis would be my best bet for being sure about it`
`19:09.52`	`lordbambi`	`brb`
`19:09.54`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`ok, thx Strider`
`19:10.05`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`now you understand how annoying your questions were? :P`
`19:10.18`	`Strider`	`The fact that the bios hangs on it is a very bad sign`
`19:10.19`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`(not that annoying, I know you want to help :) but it's hard to explain each time)`
`19:10.21`	`orvalito`	`yoop, sorry, I tried to lauch X-chat and reach your chan and the other Elive machine where the braodcom indeed (woaw...LOL) runs. But x-chat stops with misspelling in the server.. (???)`
`19:10.39`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`Strider: yeah, I would have hoped a "non-system disk" error or something...`
`19:10.47`	`orvalito`	`oops : and = on`
`19:11.01`	`Strider`	`what led up to the failure though?`
`19:11.12`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`creating a partition with gparted...`
`19:12.00`	`Strider`	`KaK , give up on the data....the physical disk is too expensive to try more with, low format it and hope it works again`
`19:12.01`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`well, I had 9 operations (delete 2 partitions, create 5), the firest 6 operations succeeded each one taking 1 to 2 secs to proceed, the 7th one stalled for 10+ minutes, until I killall -9 gparted-bin`
`19:12.08`	`orvalito`	`for bad custers, I have a crazy disket : HDD Regenerator..`
`19:12.27`	`LinuxNIT-laptop`	`orvalito, can you ping google from it?`
`19:12.29`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`Strider: to me, the real value of the disk is in the data`
`19:12.40`	`orvalito`	`doesn't on file system but on magnetic fields`
`19:12.52`	`orvalito`	`from where?`
`19:12.54`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`although, I mostly have only my mails on that partition, but it's still 50 000+ mails`
`19:13.02`	`LinuxNIT-laptop`	`orvalito, the wifi computer`
`19:13.14`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`+ one dvd backup, and I have no idea what else (shouldn't have anything personal though, but who knows...)`
`19:13.26`	`Strider`	`then get on top of the disk in ram with Acronis Disk util and hope you can restore it from there...`
`19:14.22`	`orvalito`	`http://www.dposoft.net/ it restored bad sectors, on the mbr, my 80gb didn't start`
`19:14.50`	`dererk`	`orvalito, which is the comercial name and model of your wifi card?`
`19:15.13`	`dererk`	`That lspci shows it doesn't mean it's supported`
`19:15.55`	`dererk`	`Hopefully you can have a broadcom not broadcom chipset, which would be very strange, but ...`
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`19:18.32`	`sittisal`	`hi guys`
`19:18.53`	`sittisal`	`a lot of problem after install of elive and apt-get dist-upgrade`
`19:19.05`	`orvalito`	`oki, I reboot , networks trouble indeed...`
`19:19.21`	`dererk`	`sittisal, Which elive version are you in?`
`19:19.47`	`LinuxNIT-laptop`	`orvalito, have you installed a driver for the card?`
`19:20.14`	`sittisal`	`0.4 pre dererk`
`19:20.44`	`orvalito`	`it's a linksys wmp45g`
`19:20.45`	`dererk`	`sittisal, Well, yes, the pre has many bugs already fixed for the final version`
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`19:21.02`	`dererk`	`orvalito, then it's not a broadcom chipset`
`19:21.31`	`orvalito`	`no? that's written in lspci`
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`19:22.04`	`cuc`	`hi`
`19:22.21`	`Strider`	`KaKaRoTo-KS, I got on amule and found HDD regenerator very easy....maybe give it a shot...`
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`19:24.17`	`RubenHaugan`	`Hey! Does anyone know how to disable the tray-function in engage (e16)`
`19:24.27`	`lordbambi`	`start eterm`
`19:24.34`	`lordbambi`	`start elpanel`
`19:24.42`	`Gwildor`	`engage??`
`19:24.48`	`Gwildor`	`killall engage :P`
`19:25.25`	`RubenHaugan`	`nope:-) I want engage, but not the tray to the right (thin white stripe)`
`19:25.45`	`Gwildor`	`FOH.....`
`19:25.48`	`Gwildor`	`idk about that....`
`19:25.53`	`Gwildor`	`i jsu deal with it...`
`19:26.02`	`Gwildor`	`fnothing ever goes there.....................`
`19:26.10`	`Gwildor`	`course i never luanched anything with a tray icon...`
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`19:26.31`	`RubenHaugan`	`gaim goes there when minimized`
`19:26.48`	`Gwildor`	`course i never luanched anything with a tray icon...`
`19:26.49`	`Gwildor`	`:P`
`19:26.55`	`Gwildor`	`no gaim`
`19:26.57`	`Gwildor`	`dont sue it`
`19:26.58`	`Gwildor`	`use`
`19:27.09`	`dererk`	`orvalito, I had to use ndiswrapper to load a broadcom linksys card`
`19:27.16`	`Elive_user2`	`ooops, I was sure I had signed in orvalitux...`
`19:27.40`	`RubenHaugan`	`but I guess the tray is loaded with engage when I log in(?)`
`19:27.48`	`Elive_user2`	`how can I change my nick??`
`19:27.57`	`Gwildor`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:28.16`	`RubenHaugan`	`what file specifies that engage skould start when I log in???`
`19:28.26`	`Gwildor`	`xinitrc?`
`19:28.32`	`Gwildor`	`something like that....maybe,....dik`
`19:28.34`	`Gwildor`	`idk`
`19:28.37`	`orvalitux`	`thxx`
`19:28.45`	`Gwildor`	`np`
`19:28.47`	`Gwildor`	`smokebreak`
`19:29.11`	`RubenHaugan`	`hmmm... I dunno`
`19:29.20`	`orvalitux`	`now I can let you check for lspci message..`
`19:29.31`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`Strider: Thanaway, lordbambi : maxtor utility says : disk must be replaced :(`
`19:29.55`	`Strider`	`I figured...`
`19:30.01`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`:(`
`19:30.41`	`Strider`	`you cant access the drive at all?`
`19:30.43`	`RubenHaugan`	`what file specifies that engage skould start when I log in??? Anyone?`
`19:30.49`	`lordbambi`	`try getting an rma from maxtor... if it is out of warrenty, buy a seagate (5 year waranty)`
`19:31.06`	`orvalitux`	`gosh, copy/paste doesn't work as usualin the terminal..`
`19:31.40`	`Strider`	`orvalito, get konsole and replace eterm`
`19:31.40`	`sittisal`	`dererk, good...`
`19:31.54`	`LinuxNIT`	`orvalitux, use the middle mouse button. highlight the text then middle click to paste`
`19:31.54`	`sittisal`	`now i've fixed up something`
`19:32.18`	`LinuxNIT`	`if you have a middle mouse button :)`
`19:32.18`	`sittisal`	`this enlightenment is spectacular`
`19:32.28`	`sittisal`	`very very fast`
`19:32.30`	`Strider`	`sittisal, I agree`
`19:32.32`	`dererk`	`sittisal, I think so to`
`19:32.36`	`orvalitux`	`i do...`
`19:32.40`	`orvalitux`	`LOL`
`19:32.43`	`sittisal`	`but less user-friendly`
`19:32.46`	`dererk`	`I have to tell you something all`
`19:32.55`	`LinuxNIT`	`uh oh`
`19:32.57`	`Strider`	`Im in computer heaven with elive never believed it could be so good`
`19:32.59`	`dererk`	`The realise was sopposed to be today`
`19:33.05`	`orvalitux`	`0000:00:0a.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4306 802.11b/g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 03)`
`19:33.07`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`lordbambi: thx, I'll surely choose seagate next time...`
`19:33.15`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`I have one old seagate`
`19:33.19`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`has 10+ years old`
`19:33.20`	`sittisal`	`and elive panel RULEZ`
`19:33.22`	`sittisal`	`:-P`
`19:33.28`	`dererk`	`But there was a HUGE Update on Debian repos, so, thana is having some issues with it`
`19:33.30`	`Strider`	`KaKaRoTo-KS, can the drive be accessed at all?`
`19:33.41`	`LinuxNIT`	`ok`
`19:33.42`	`orvalitux`	`woaw fantastic middle button... I can never forget it...`
`19:33.47`	`LinuxNIT`	`:)`
`19:33.59`	`dererk`	`But, stay with us, the Final realise is going to be available as soon as it could`
`19:34.05`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`at that time, I was using it as a 'usb drive', always going to school with it in my pocket, and plugging it at my friend's pcs..`
`19:34.05`	`LinuxNIT`	`no rush man for the release (imho)`
`19:34.20`	`dererk`	`Meanwhile, have fun, and report if you find somthing strange on it`
`19:34.44`	`LinuxNIT`	`orvalitux, did you use ndiswrapper yet?`
`19:34.50`	`dererk`	`LinuxNIT, i think that to, but there's a lot of ppl didn't know that`
`19:35.03`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`I'm still massively using it as my server's / dir and /var dir`
`19:35.12`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`still working...`
`19:35.14`	`LinuxNIT`	`well i didnt know about the update either but i dont want to push him :)`
`19:35.24`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`Strider: doesn't seem so..`
`19:35.35`	`Strider`	`:\`
`19:35.37`	`lordbambi`	`i did it a couple of minutes ago.... quite a lot of packages :-)`
`19:36.31`	`dererk`	`Yes, unfortunatelly, it seems that Debian ppl was waiting last seconds to free the huge update`
`19:36.41`	`LinuxNIT`	`:)`
`19:36.43`	`Strider`	`can you set the drive in an external enclosure? like adaptic HDD usb enclosure?`
`19:36.49`	`RubenHaugan`	`I must admit I'm impressed with the 0.4 over eh 0.3. HUGE improvements!`
`19:36.53`	`lordbambi`	`i'm messing around a bit with xorg config... does removing xorg modules increase performance?`
`19:36.54`	`dererk`	`But biggest troubles were already solved`
`19:36.59`	`LinuxNIT`	`cool'`
`19:37.13`	`RubenHaugan`	`Is it possible to run elive from usbkey?`
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`19:37.45`	`dererk`	`RubenHaugan, I don't know if it's possible really`
`19:38.05`	`dererk`	`s/possible really/really possible/`
`19:38.18`	`lordbambi`	`you could try remastering knoppix with enlightment`
`19:38.20`	`dererk`	`apt, good bot`
`19:38.20`	`apt`	`dererk: :)`
`19:38.33`	`Strider`	`anyway to improve eterm's fonts and size?`
`19:38.38`	`RubenHaugan`	`I guess it is, just not sure how to...`
`19:38.49`	`Gwildor`	`dererk, i suppsoe it would be "possible" assuming your key is large enuff, jsut not as easy as other distro's`
`19:39.12`	`RubenHaugan`	`I guess it is, just not sure how to... I mean elive on usb. I have a 1GB key.`
`19:39.32`	`Gwildor`	`Strider, the FONT menu is eterm might work...`
`19:39.40`	`dererk`	`Gwildor, hope so, but I'm really sure it could be veeery frustrating to. Usb keys are very slow compared with Cd Drives`
`19:39.54`	`Gwildor`	`heh..ur crazy...`
`19:39.58`	`RubenHaugan`	`That's not my impession`
`19:40.14`	`Gwildor`	`idk what ur using...buy my keys are faster than my CD's`
`19:40.33`	`RubenHaugan`	`USB2 is a must ofcourse`
`19:40.34`	`orvalitux`	`ndis wrapper, I've used it once on my old mandrake 10.1 in kde.. but in a terminal, it seemd hard!!`
`19:41.18`	`lordbambi`	`an option is booting on cd and placing the home directory and config on the USB drive`
`19:41.29`	`dererk`	`Gwildor, are you sure?`
`19:41.50`	`LinuxNIT`	`orvalitux, its easy`
`19:41.51`	`Gwildor`	`dererk, not to mention you ahve to wait for CD's to spin back up.....`
`19:42.02`	`LinuxNIT`	`orvalitux, do you have the windows driver?`
`19:42.13`	`orvalitux`	`Linuxnit (and other fellows..) : i already thank you for your parience..;)`
`19:42.23`	`dererk`	`Well, I found usb keys slower than dcs`
`19:42.28`	`dererk`	`s/dcs/cds`
`19:42.30`	`LinuxNIT`	`np man :)`
`19:42.39`	`Strider`	`Gwildor, "Strider, the FONT menu is eterm might work.." I didn't understand that...sorry`
`19:42.50`	`orvalitux`	`yep, I'm seatching the cd... I used it last week..`
`19:43.11`	`Gwildor`	`Strider, launch Eterm.....it has eterm font background terminal....click on font....`
`19:43.22`	`lordbambi`	`RubenHaugan try looking at the damn small linux project. those guys remastered a knoppix to run from USB2 drive`
`19:43.37`	`Gwildor`	`lordbambi, usb1.1 as well`
`19:43.51`	`lordbambi`	`is usb1.1 bootable?`
`19:43.53`	`Gwildor`	`but yeah, loaded to ram....blazing fast....ofcourse that is RAM speed...not usb`
`19:43.55`	`Gwildor`	`ya`
`19:44.17`	`Gwildor`	`lordbambi, i guess i should say it depends on ur mobo.....`
`19:44.38`	`lordbambi`	`i always thought usb1 wasn't bootable... i might be wrong`
`19:44.51`	`Gwildor`	`it is`
`19:45.00`	`Gwildor`	`i dont have any usb 2.0 hosts`
`19:45.25`	`Gwildor`	`well, 1.0 may not be.....but 1.1 is, and 99% of the stuff you find is 1.1////`
`19:45.34`	`Gwildor`	`i dont think ive ever even seen 1.0`
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`19:46.18`	`RubenHaugan`	`I know, used it for a ehile, but currently I have mini-pentoo (with e17) on my usb`
`19:46.18`	`RubenHaugan`	`www.pentoo.ch`
`19:46.20`	`RubenHaugan`	`really cool.`
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`19:47.33`	`RubenHaugan`	`1.0 was back in the days of win95 osr 2.5 :)`
`19:47.35`	`Elive_user2`	`oops, x failure when trying to activate the usb flash 'wigdet?'`
`19:48.14`	`lordbambi`	`:-( my laptop is from the win95 days`
`19:48.30`	`Gwildor`	`RubenHaugan, heh, im chatting from Mpentoo now....form cD though`
`19:48.54`	`Gwildor`	`RubenHaugan, 512mb HP falshdrive on its way`
`19:49.07`	`RubenHaugan`	`yep, mpentoo on usb is cool:)`
`19:49.13`	`lordbambi`	`yep. it seems that the bios is the limit for booting usb`
`19:49.43`	`lordbambi`	`bios/mobo`
`19:49.53`	`RubenHaugan`	`DSl has a boot-floppy that launches USB driver...`
`19:50.07`	`Gwildor`	`yes, it does...so does puppy`
`19:51.00`	`RubenHaugan`	`Where are you from Gwindor?`
`19:51.06`	`Gwildor`	`mich`
`19:51.08`	`Gwildor`	`USA`
`19:51.18`	`RubenHaugan`	`Ah. Denmark here.`
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`19:51.28`	`Elive_user2`	`yep LinuxNit, I still have the drivers on my usb....`
`19:51.50`	`Gwildor`	`:)`
`19:52.06`	`LinuxNIT`	`ok cd into the dir as root`
`19:52.31`	`RubenHaugan`	`Well, its getting late over here. So Im off! Bye:-)`
`19:52.35`	`lordbambi`	`bye`
`19:52.45`	`Gwildor`	`laters`
`19:53.23`	`LinuxNIT`	`to install the drivers do ndiswrapper -i foo.inf`
`19:53.23`	`LinuxNIT`	`where foo is the filename fo course:)`
`19:53.26`	`LinuxNIT`	`Elive_user2, got it?`
`19:54.18`	`Elive_user2`	`and then the wifi card will be recognizes??`
`19:54.37`	`LinuxNIT`	`did it give you any errors?`
`19:54.38`	`LinuxNIT`	`not yet`
`19:54.56`	`LinuxNIT`	`if no errors then you have to modprobe ndiswrapper`
`19:54.58`	`Elive_user2`	`I must be in the rep where the inf is? ot I must give the patg?`
`19:55.12`	`Gwildor`	`smokebreak..`
`19:55.26`	`Elive_user2`	`Oki I try..`
`19:55.39`	`LinuxNIT`	`you have to be in the directory of the cards driver where the inf files are`
`19:57.47`	`Elive_user2`	`root@tuxie[/mnt/sda1]# ndiswrapper -i bcmwl5.inf`
`19:57.47`	`Elive_user2`	`Installing bcmwl5`
`19:57.56`	`LinuxNIT`	`good`
`19:58.07`	`LinuxNIT`	`now modprobe ndiswrapper`
`19:58.54`	`Elive_user2`	`root@tuxie[/mnt/sda1]# modprobe ndiswrapper`
`19:58.55`	`Elive_user2`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:59.15`	`LinuxNIT`	`oh hang on`
`19:59.34`	`Elive_user2`	`8}`
`20:00.55`	`LinuxNIT`	`apt-get install ndiswrapper-modules-your-kenel-number-here`
`20:00.55`	`LinuxNIT`	`im not it elive so i dont know the kernel number`
`20:01.54`	`LinuxNIT`	`use apt cache search ndiswrapper to see the available one`
`20:01.54`	`LinuxNIT`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:02.54`	`LinuxNIT`	`see it Elive_user2 ?`
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`20:04.13`	`Elive_user81`	`not able to select root partition`
`20:04.24`	`Elive_user81`	`During install`
`20:04.25`	`Gwildor`	`bugged installer......2 solutions`
`20:04.30`	`Elive_user81`	`K`
`20:04.44`	`Gwildor`	`extended partition, or updated installer...wich one you wnat?, i can help wtih both`
`20:04.44`	`Elive_user81`	`ok`
`20:05.00`	`Elive_user81`	`updated installer`
`20:05.10`	`Elive_user2`	`i'm on the phone, sorry....5'`
`20:05.13`	`Elive_user81`	`k`
`20:05.15`	`Elive_user81`	`np`
`20:05.33`	`Gwildor`	`<sudo apt-get update> <sudo apt-get install eliveinstaller>`
`20:05.42`	`Gwildor`	`then use the icon you sued before`
`20:05.45`	`Gwildor`	`used`
`20:05.50`	`Elive_user81`	`Awesome`
`20:05.53`	`Elive_user81`	`Trying it now`
`20:05.57`	`Elive_user81`	`Thanks!!!!!`
`20:06.14`	`Gwildor`	`NP`
`20:06.41`	`Elive_user81`	`looks like I'm at the latest installer`
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`20:07.11`	`egrub`	`Hola Piper`
`20:07.13`	`egrub`	`Jejeje`
`20:07.18`	`Gwildor`	`Elive_user2, o.4pre?`
`20:07.19`	`egrub`	`Ahora somos 40 personas`
`20:07.25`	`Gwildor`	`grr`
`20:07.28`	`Piper`	`egrub, esta bien`
`20:07.32`	`Gwildor`	`Elive_user81, 0.4pre?`
`20:07.32`	`egrub`	`Piper, Thanaway est? contento. Jeje`
`20:07.37`	`orvalito`	`I don' remember the command to get the kernel version...`
`20:07.47`	`Gwildor`	`Elive_user81, did you <sudo apt-get upgrade> first?`
`20:07.51`	`Piper`	`egrub, jaja`
`20:08.00`	`Elive_user81`	`Doing that now`
`20:08.03`	`Elive_user81`	`Silly me`
`20:08.07`	`Gwildor`	`tis ok`
`20:08.10`	`Gwildor`	`honest mistake`
`20:08.31`	`Elive_user81`	`there she goes`
`20:08.33`	`LinuxNIT`	`ALL he needs to know what ndiswrapper-modules to install im not in elive in dont knwo the kernel number`
`20:09.43`	`LinuxNIT`	`orvalito, does <uname -a> give it to you?`
`20:10.39`	`Elive_user81`	`All is Well now with he installer`
`20:10.43`	`Elive_user81`	`Thanks so much`
`20:10.52`	`Elive_user81`	`This distro is real tight`
`20:11.29`	`LinuxNIT`	`is the kernel 2.6.12?`
`20:13.01`	`LinuxNIT`	`orvalito, i believe it is 2.6.12 try that`
`20:13.21`	`LinuxNIT`	`nobody seems to be responding`
`20:13.33`	`Begasus`	`is the iso for 0.4 pre updated too?`
`20:13.54`	`Elive_user2`	`oki I'm back..;`
`20:13.55`	`Begasus`	`or can I just use the installed system here to update all the rest?`
`20:14.11`	`Elive_user2`	`# uname -a`
`20:14.12`	`Elive_user2`	`Linux tuxie.exemple.com 2.6.12 #1 Sun Dec 4 08:56:48 CET 2005 i686 GNU/Linux`
`20:14.29`	`LinuxNIT`	`k so it should be like ndiswrapper-modules-2.6.12`
`20:14.54`	`LinuxNIT`	`use apt-cache search ndiswrapper to find the exact name :)`
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`20:15.29`	`Elive_user2`	`oki, apr-get install ?`
`20:15.43`	`LinuxNIT`	`well apt-get isntall yes`
`20:17.19`	`LinuxNIT`	`before you modprobe it i would go back to the dir and do ndiswrapper -e fooo and then ndiswrapper -i fooo.inf justin case :)`
`20:17.24`	`LinuxNIT`	`-e uninstalls it`
`20:17.59`	`Elive_user2`	`oki`
`20:18.20`	`egrub`	`Piper, ahora sube 22K`
`20:18.57`	`Elive_user2`	`???? root@tuxie[/mnt/sda1]# ndiswrapper -e bcmwl5.inf`
`20:18.58`	`Elive_user2`	`Driver bcmwl5.inf is not installed. Use -l to list installed drivers`
`20:19.09`	`LinuxNIT`	`leave off the inf`
`20:19.19`	`LinuxNIT`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:19.29`	`Elive_user2`	`I reinstall? oki`
`20:19.33`	`LinuxNIT`	`yes`
`20:19.42`	`LinuxNIT`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:19.51`	`LinuxNIT`	`then modprobe ndiswrapper`
`20:20.18`	`Elive_user2`	`????????????????????, root@tuxie[/mnt/sda1]# ndiswrapper -i bcmwl5.inf`
`20:20.18`	`Elive_user2`	`bcmwl5 is already installed. Use -e to remove it`
`20:20.19`	`LinuxNIT`	`it owrk?`
`20:21.05`	`LinuxNIT`	`did you ndiswrapper -e bcmwl5 ?`
`20:21.08`	`lordbambi`	`anybody know a benchmarking tool for window managers?`
`20:21.59`	`LinuxNIT`	`Elive_user2, ?`
`20:22.31`	`orvalitux`	`yep`
`20:22.40`	`LinuxNIT`	`ndiswrapper -l`
`20:22.51`	`LinuxNIT`	`anything htere?`
`20:23.25`	`orvalitux`	`no`
`20:23.40`	`LinuxNIT`	`ok now install it`
`20:23.51`	`LinuxNIT`	`then probe it`
`20:24.08`	`Elive_user81`	`sfdf`
`20:24.12`	`Gwildor`	`lordbambi, Thanaway knows a nice page that already has some benchmarked compared to E>....eask him when he is around`
`20:24.49`	`lordbambi`	`yea i read about benchmarking e17, but i want to compare the ati driver vs the vesa driver`
`20:24.56`	`LinuxNIT`	`orvalitux, did you get it?`
`20:25.01`	`orvalitux`	`root@tuxie[/mnt/sda1]# ndiswrapper -l`
`20:25.02`	`orvalitux`	`Installed ndis drivers:`
`20:25.02`	`orvalitux`	`bcmwl5driver present, hardware present`
`20:25.09`	`LinuxNIT`	`:)`
`20:25.11`	`LinuxNIT`	`iwconfig`
`20:25.21`	`LinuxNIT`	`oh wait`
`20:25.30`	`LinuxNIT`	`modprobe ndiswrapper`
`20:25.30`	`orvalitux`	`i think so... what probe does exactly?`
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`20:25.43`	`LinuxNIT`	`installs the driver to the system`
`20:26.26`	`LinuxNIT`	`did it modprobe just fine?`
`20:26.29`	`orvalitux`	`oki iwconfig is perfect!!`
`20:26.41`	`CGA`	`re`
`20:26.42`	`LinuxNIT`	`shows the wireless extensinos?`
`20:27.23`	`LinuxNIT`	`orvalito, so it works now right?`
`20:27.38`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`Thanx guys for the help...`
`20:27.58`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`It seems it is indeed bad sectors, but directly on the partition table or something like that, so it's unrecoverable...`
`20:28.20`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`the disk is still under waranty, so I'll return it, but I'll first try to recover my data`
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`20:28.26`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`I heard about spinrite`
`20:28.33`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`I think it will do the trick`
`20:28.35`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`we'll see!`
`20:29.25`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`Thanaway: from what I was told, it had nothing to do with the drivers for SATA, it was a sync problem on the disk and eventually it would have happened even if I stayed on windows... it was only a coincidence that it happened while I was on elive...`
`20:29.30`	`Elive_user2`	`root@tuxie[/mnt/sda1]# iwconfig`
`20:29.30`	`Elive_user2`	`lo no wireless extensions.`
`20:29.30`	`Elive_user2`	`eth0 no wireless extensions.`
`20:29.30`	`Elive_user2`	`sit0 no wireless extensions.`
`20:29.30`	`Elive_user2`	`wlan0 IEEE 802.11g ESSID:off/any`
`20:29.31`	`Elive_user2`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:29.32`	`Elive_user2`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:29.34`	`Elive_user2`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:29.36`	`Elive_user2`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:29.37`	`KaKaRoTo-KS`	`lordbambi: thx :)`
`20:29.38`	`Elive_user2`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:29.41`	`Elive_user2`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:29.42`	`Elive_user2`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:29.48`	`LinuxNIT`	`cooooooooooool`
`20:29.48`	`Elive_user2`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:29.58`	`LinuxNIT`	`you got it dude`
`20:30.25`	`orvalitux`	`thxxxxx a lot guys!!`
`20:30.36`	`LinuxNIT`	`np`
`20:30.45`	`lordbambi`	`np`
`20:31.23`	`orvalitux`	`is a really great idea to include the xchat already configured in Elive..!!!`
`20:32.21`	`LinuxNIT`	`KaKaRoTo-KS, did you ever run testdisk on it? it can rcover lost partitions. has worked for me. ive no idea if it would help you jsut a thought`
`20:32.26`	`LinuxNIT`	`k guys i gtg`
`20:32.47`	`LinuxNIT`	`laters and have fun with wifi orvalitux :)`
`20:32.48`	`lordbambi`	`hehe i think ftp.us.debian.org is flooded`
`20:32.50`	`Gwildor\|work`	`laters`
`20:34.03`	`orvalito`	`I manage a Linux/open free thinking and computing workshop/cyber-salon every wednesday afternoon, in Matonge, Brussels`
`20:34.22`	`Gwildor\|work`	`get my hair did?`
`20:35.10`	`orvalito`	`I'll mention tomorrow how briliant you are... And my pc is ok now with this fantastic Elive..`
`20:35.30`	`roxville`	`Gwildor\|work get my hair did? <-- dude, you GOTTA stop smoking that crap!`
`20:35.51`	`Gwildor\|work`	`roxville, cmon, gimme a break...its tuesday`
`20:36.01`	`roxville`	`:o)`
`20:36.02`	`Gwildor\|work`	`cyber-salon`
`20:36.04`	`Gwildor\|work`	`^^`
`20:36.07`	`roxville`	`hehe`
`20:36.37`	`Gwildor\|work`	`roxville, im sensing ur sugar lvl are a bit high.....atleast "normal"`
`20:36.38`	`roxville`	`i just used the trimmer...`
`20:36.41`	`orvalito`	`I don't know how many of you are close to Brussels, but you're all invited!!`
`20:36.53`	`Gwildor\|work`	`heh, i ahvent paid for a haircut in like 8 yrs`
`20:36.54`	`roxville`	`cool!`
`20:37.09`	`Gwildor\|work`	`brussels doesnt sound like it is in michigan`
`20:37.14`	`Gwildor\|work`	`:P`
`20:37.28`	`Gwildor\|work`	`roxville, swing by and grab me...`
`20:37.37`	`Gwildor\|work`	`ill be on the roof.......jstu lower ur altitude`
`20:38.02`	`orvalito`	`I'm proud to use a belgian, (mainly i guess, michigan is not so far...LOL) distro now...!!`
`20:38.25`	`roxville`	`cool! where were you? ann arbour or detroit?`
`20:38.32`	`Gwildor\|work`	`jsut south of detroit`
`20:38.36`	`Gwildor\|work`	`"riverview"`
`20:38.47`	`Gwildor\|work`	`bout 3 town south....`
`20:39.06`	`Gwildor\|work`	`d-town, LP, southgate, wyandotte, riverview`
`20:39.21`	`orvalito`	`yes, but I read first from Thanat some words about Brabant`
`20:39.41`	`roxville`	`or... west`
`20:39.47`	`roxville`	`northwest`
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`20:40.29`	`Gwildor\|work`	`but.....im south....`
`20:41.04`	`roxville`	`not as south as i am, dude :)`
`20:41.17`	`Gwildor\|work`	`doh`
`20:41.19`	`Gwildor\|work`	`doh`
`20:41.19`	`Gwildor\|work`	`doh`
`20:41.22`	`Gwildor\|work`	`doh!@`
`20:41.26`	`roxville`	`lol`
`20:41.33`	`wasynyt`	`? :D`
`20:42.20`	`roxville`	`wasynyt, perkele menee brysselissa`
`20:42.37`	`roxville`	`orvalito, is having a party!`
`20:42.53`	`roxville`	`nyt menee!`
`20:43.20`	`wasynyt`	`? mitäse perkele brysselissä...or do you mean "wasynyt, perkele mene brysseliin"?`
`20:43.28`	`wasynyt`	`ei tainnu mennä`
`20:43.31`	`wasynyt`	`i think not`
`20:44.10`	`roxville`	`yes, i forgot the commas, sorry`
`20:44.20`	`wasynyt`	`nothing..`
`20:45.02`	`roxville`	`ei mene? miksi?`
`20:45.08`	`wasynyt`	`i think that this trip to bryssel is far beyond my budget`
`20:45.29`	`lordbambi`	`with the current gas prices it is beyound my budget too :-)`
`20:45.42`	`wasynyt`	`i have this student cruise closing (in Finland know as "abiristeily")`
`20:45.44`	`Gwildor\|work`	`heh, i cant drive there :P`
`20:45.45`	`roxville`	`well it's stretching my budget too! you have any idea how expensive jet fuel is these days?`
`20:45.55`	`roxville`	`and pilot salary?`
`20:45.59`	`lordbambi`	`any idea howmuch car fuel is :-)`
`20:46.34`	`wasynyt`	`how much does one litre cost there? here it cost about 1.25-1.30 euro`
`20:46.39`	`Gwildor\|work`	`2.14 lat i checked`
`20:46.43`	`Gwildor\|work`	`gallon`
`20:47.04`	`Gwildor\|work`	`we dont do liter....gallons.....$2.14-ish a gallon atm here`
`20:47.07`	`roxville`	`yeah it is still cheaper in the u.s....`
`20:47.20`	`roxville`	`2.30 here`
`20:47.31`	`wasynyt`	`dam you`
`20:47.46`	`lordbambi`	`5.20 euro per gallon`
`20:47.46`	`Gwildor\|work`	`roxville, those were yesterday prices....could be $3.00 now :P`
`20:48.15`	`Gwildor\|work`	`i think they are paying liek $12 a gallon in sweden`
`20:48.20`	`wasynyt`	`i think one gallon is something like 3.5 l`
`20:48.23`	`Gwildor\|work`	`something crazy`
`20:48.29`	`Gwildor\|work`	`yeah, clsoe wasynyt`
`20:48.43`	`Gwildor\|work`	`smokebreak...`
`20:48.48`	`wasynyt`	`i think they pay the same as us`
`20:48.59`	`lordbambi`	`12 euro!!!! f*** that is a lot of money`
`20:49.09`	`roxville`	`Gwildor\|work, yes in sweden it's expensive as hell.... but i think italy is one of the most expensive countries in europe when it comes to gasoline`
`20:49.15`	`Gwildor\|work`	`12 USD....`
`20:49.34`	`lordbambi`	`well i'm away watching john doe..`
`20:49.38`	`Gwildor\|work`	`roxville, its gotta be....its liek $1.00 a gallon in cuba`
`20:49.54`	`Gwildor\|work`	`$12 a gallon is sweden...........`
`20:49.56`	`wasynyt`	`thats just unfair`
`20:49.58`	`Gwildor\|work`	`ya`
`20:50.25`	`Gwildor\|work`	`brb`
`20:51.04`	`roxville`	`Gwildor\|work, it's not THAT much`
`20:51.23`	`roxville`	`lemme see at 1.2 euro per liter...`
`20:51.38`	`roxville`	`55.0/gallon`
`20:51.40`	`roxville`	`lol`
`20:51.42`	`roxville`	`5.50`
`20:52.15`	`roxville`	`no....`
`20:52.27`	`roxville`	`i'm not counting, just estimating`
`20:52.45`	`roxville`	`about $5-5.50/gallon`
`20:52.54`	`wasynyt`	`but swedish people can use gasoline plus etanol based fuel that is a lot cheaper (those cars are not)`
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`20:54.33`	`wasynyt`	`by the way is the elive 0.4 "stable" torrent released`
`20:54.34`	`Strider`	`hi`
`20:54.39`	`wasynyt`	`evening`
`20:57.12`	`wasynyt`	`hmm i think i go to sleep now.. good nights (or mornings) to all`
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`20:58.32`	`roxville`	`good night wasynyt`
`20:58.46`	`JigingJim`	`Why is the Install so Slow..`
`20:59.08`	`JigingJim`	`Everything Rocks,,, Except the install... SLOW SLOW SLOW`
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`20:59.27`	`roxville`	`Gwildor\|work, do you know WHY the install is so slow?`
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`21:00.01`	`JigingJim`	`Maybe I don't have proper SATA Drivers`
`21:00.09`	`orvalito`	`2.50 euro for an orval, and you can go far...`
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`21:00.43`	`orvalito`	`5 euro and you fly...`
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`21:13.26`	`Begasus`	`cya'll`
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`21:20.11`	`neighborlee`	`is 0.4 PRE stable enough to consider trying, and also how does it differ from 0.3 ?`
`21:20.14`	`neighborlee`	`thx ;)`
`21:20.47`	`neighborlee`	`I dont mind occasinal crashing so dont worry about that..jusst wondering overall of its stability`
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`21:21.29`	`neighborlee`	`maxtoo, do you know if 0.4 PRE is stable enough to try or is it best to stick with 0.3`
`21:21.49`	`ElonGlasb`	`neighborlee I installed it without really problems and till sofar no problems or single crash`
`21:22.01`	`neighborlee`	`maxtoo, sorry nm`
`21:22.11`	`neighborlee`	`Elive_user, kewl thank you for verification of my inquiry`
`21:22.26`	`neighborlee`	`ElonGlasb, pretty fast I take it ;)`
`21:24.13`	`neighborlee`	`I take it elive is gpl`
`21:24.19`	`neighborlee`	`can't seem to find info on website`
`21:24.42`	`roxville`	`neighborlee, hi! long time, no see!`
`21:25.03`	`neighborlee`	`roxville, hmm I dont remember ;))`
`21:25.07`	`neighborlee`	`sorry ;(`
`21:25.15`	`roxville`	`ok... that's ok!`
`21:25.19`	`neighborlee`	`indeed must be long time ;))`
`21:25.26`	`neighborlee`	`anyway hi`
`21:25.30`	`roxville`	`lol`
`21:25.44`	`roxville`	`i guess i'm good with names/nicks...`
`21:25.50`	`neighborlee`	`yes`
`21:25.59`	`roxville`	`and i never forget a smiley!`
`21:26.02`	`neighborlee`	`bah I should really switch to comcast..dsl is kinda slow`
`21:26.22`	`neighborlee`	`andmy directTV keeps going dead when it snows ( the darn dish fill with snow or ice or both)`
`21:26.23`	`roxville`	`comcast is VERY good these days`
`21:26.32`	`neighborlee`	`at midnight who wants to get up and sweep off dish !! ;-))lol`
`21:26.40`	`neighborlee`	`yea sure is`
`21:26.44`	`neighborlee`	`6mbits/s`
`21:26.48`	`neighborlee`	`atm in dsl I get 1.5`
`21:26.48`	`roxville`	`neighborlee, the official and bugfixed version will probably come out tomorrow`
`21:26.50`	`neighborlee`	`BAH`
`21:27.08`	`neighborlee`	`roxville, other guy said no crashes so I feel rather safe`
`21:27.23`	`neighborlee`	`roxville, I presume ill be able to apt-get upgrade and get final when its released`
`21:27.50`	`roxville`	`yeah, but other ppl have had problems... and you should get the new installer before you start`
`21:27.52`	`neighborlee`	`roxville, other than speed, what else seems to stand out in elive compared to other distros`
`21:28.00`	`neighborlee`	`roxville, yup I saw that`
`21:28.04`	`roxville`	`ok`
`21:28.09`	`neighborlee`	`thx though`
`21:28.16`	`neighborlee`	`so elive is gpl right`
`21:28.19`	`roxville`	`np :)`
`21:28.39`	`roxville`	`hmmm elive is... but i'm not sure enlightenment is`
`21:28.51`	`neighborlee`	`np mainly concerned about elive`
`21:29.50`	`neighborlee`	`anyway so ill be able to update to new release from inside current PRE right ?`
`21:29.54`	`neighborlee`	`or will it require reinstall`
`21:30.37`	`ElonGlasb`	`When you installl elive firsr apt-get update and apt-get install eliveinstaller`
`21:30.47`	`neighborlee`	`yup`
`21:31.10`	`ElonGlasb`	`Later you can always update`
`21:31.32`	`neighborlee`	`kewl`
`21:31.48`	`neighborlee`	`nice to see channel filling out some`
`21:31.52`	`roxville`	`neighborlee, it is also strongly recommended that ypou go with the recommended fs`
`21:32.00`	`neighborlee`	`ext3 ?`
`21:32.04`	`roxville`	`nope`
`21:32.07`	`neighborlee`	`i'd rather have reiserfs but ext3 is ok`
`21:32.07`	`ElonGlasb`	`reiserfs`
`21:32.10`	`roxville`	`reiserfs`
`21:32.11`	`neighborlee`	`rad`
`21:32.33`	`roxville`	`and xfs for /home and the rest... on an extended partition`
`21:32.40`	`neighborlee`	`I never really trusted ext3 completely but I know alot of people are behind reiserfs`
`21:32.53`	`neighborlee`	`why xfs on home ;)`
`21:33.24`	`roxville`	`dunno... ask thana... but i'm sure he's got his reasons... and it works pretty well :)`
`21:33.52`	`neighborlee`	`ok`
`21:34.05`	`neighborlee`	`bbl gotta run to store..elive will be downloaded few hours..`
`21:34.06`	`neighborlee`	`cu`
`21:35.37`	`roxville`	`ok dude take care`
`21:36.40`	`orvalito`	`yep, finished with those phone call's...`
`21:37.04`	`orvalito`	`who's still there....?`
`21:37.40`	`orvalito`	`;)`
`21:37.50`	`roxville`	`:o)`
`21:38.11`	`orvalito`	`I go back to the elive..`
`21:40.14`	`orvalito`	`I have to fix my pc for tomorrow.. I've tuned it in a wooden box of beaujolais sup�rieur Chateau Bel-Air 1986... And now, there is a 'Grand Cru' on the HD, too kewl...`
`21:42.01`	`orvalito`	`thanx a lot.... See you soon in Matonge...?`
`21:43.34`	`roxville`	`lol, ok :)`
`21:43.41`	`roxville`	`have a great night`
`21:45.14`	`roxville`	`nah i'm in the u.s. with no way of going anywhere atm... but i've been to irc parties before... you can have lots of fun in the channel... and you can just turn off or ignore ppl that get too drunk`
`21:45.17`	`roxville`	`:)`
`21:46.13`	`orvalito`	`irc parties?? what does look like...?`
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`21:48.18`	`roxville`	`orvalito, lol... everybody is chatting... and drinking at home`
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`21:49.09`	`Strider`	`roxville, how can I help with this channel and elive in general?? I noticed you are involved with the wiki or forum`
`21:49.21`	`orvalito`	`oki, hihi, well I rise a toast with my ginger-beer!!!!`
`21:49.50`	`roxville`	`strider your help is very welcome!`
`21:49.57`	`Strider`	`Im getting a sugar high on candy hearts...`
`21:50.30`	`Strider`	`roxville, what can that help be in specifics?`
`21:50.30`	`roxville`	`i don't know you well enough yet to know what you know.... i know you'veen a linux user for about 6 years... right?`
`21:50.41`	`orvalito`	`nope.. Ihave to refill first.........`
`21:51.15`	`roxville`	`so, either you have to tell me what you are good at... or i'll find out myself, but that takes longer :)`
`21:51.21`	`Strider`	`yes, though I can't speak Linuxese very well, I am a plodding problem solver that will never give up`
`21:51.53`	`roxville`	`that's awesome!`
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`21:52.26`	`Strider`	`I have used abjout every distro ever made...run 6 oses now, like to manipulate computers and harddrives...and will not take no for an answer when it comes to a problem`
`21:52.31`	`roxville`	`and from what i can tell so far you're far away from being arrogant... which is a great plus in our book :)`
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`21:52.52`	`roxville`	`hello Elive_user2`
`21:52.56`	`roxville`	`bye...`
`21:53.43`	`Strider`	`no, there are many who know more than I do, but though I can't talk well (type) I can usually get to the essence of a problem pretty fast`
`21:54.08`	`roxville`	`which is very cool`
`21:54.48`	`Strider`	`I'm self taught and now in College in my senior year as a Comm major...3.86 gpa and about 2 classes left to finish`
`21:55.00`	`roxville`	`with all the newbies pouring in to the channel and to the forums, the best thing now is to try to help thana with those things`
`21:55.25`	`Gwildor\|work`	`o/`
`21:55.30`	`Strider`	`roxville, so what your saying is just halp man the channel`
`21:55.38`	`Strider`	`*help`
`21:55.47`	`Gwildor\|work`	`roxville, giev him the edevlop url :P`
`21:55.51`	`roxville`	`Strider, i have asked Gwildor\|work to help`
`21:56.01`	`lordbambi`	`roxville.... when you have time just yell, i kinda solved that elpanel ibar problem (if you remember it)`
`21:56.05`	`roxville`	`but we need more ppl`
`21:56.18`	`Strider`	`Gwildor\|work, I can be of help possibly`
`21:56.29`	`roxville`	`hold on Strider`
`21:56.35`	`Gwildor\|work`	`:)`
`21:56.47`	`Gwildor\|work`	`Strider, its moslty easy stuff.....alot of repeats too`
`21:57.16`	`Gwildor\|work`	`installer.....elpanel.....seg's......."bugs are getting fixed" "tis a known bug, we are working on it"`
`21:57.18`	`roxville`	`http://edevelop.org/node/2211`
`21:57.27`	`Gwildor\|work`	`ill taka fe now.....before i go`
`21:57.30`	`Strider`	`Gwildor\|work, ok I just want to be a part of this process...it looks great to me`
`21:57.50`	`roxville`	`Strider, that's what i did too`
`21:58.15`	`roxville`	`unfortunately, i'm not very good with the techie stuff`
`21:58.44`	`roxville`	`if you see good english somewhere in elive... that's usually me :)`
`21:58.54`	`roxville`	`the rest is thana's tharzanian :)`
`21:58.57`	`Gwildor\|work`	`roxville, heym, i helped with englishtoo :P`
`21:59.00`	`Strider`	`I'm ok, but as I said, what I do in my mind I usually don't communicate well and lose patience easy`
`21:59.12`	`Gwildor\|work`	`roxville, i helped witht he nwew installer :P`
`21:59.25`	`roxville`	`ok Gwildor\|work helped out a LOT too!!!!`
`21:59.30`	`Gwildor\|work`	`roxville, i really wish that was a proper forum.....its so hard to follow that`
`21:59.40`	`roxville`	`yes`
`21:59.50`	`Strider`	`Gwildor\|work, I helped Thana last night track down 2 bugs that he fixed immediately`
`21:59.53`	`Gwildor\|work`	`roxville, heh, actually it was just one bit about EXt3`
`22:00.08`	`Gwildor\|work`	`Strider, yeah, its weird how he does that ...isnt it`
`22:00.09`	`roxville`	`we will try to make a good forum at the wiki, but we don't know yet how to set up a good forum`
`22:00.19`	`Gwildor\|work`	`roxville, who is WE?!`
`22:00.33`	`Strider`	`Gwildor\|work, it is great...I was dumbfounded at his efficiency`
`22:01.04`	`roxville`	`as a matter of fact Strider, i think Gwildor\|work WROTE the installer... and GAVE it to thana, just because he is so good-hearted`
`22:01.15`	`Gwildor\|work`	`roxville, lol`
`22:01.22`	`roxville`	`he also helped design the Taj Mahal in india...`
`22:01.38`	`Gwildor\|work`	`yeah...ive also got this really cool statue in new york for sale`
`22:01.40`	`Strider`	`roxville, that is fabulous and marvelous I am honored to be with guys like you all`
`22:02.05`	`Gwildor\|work`	`roxville, maybe i know some ppl that can help set up a proper forum`
`22:02.25`	`roxville`	`that would be most appreciated!`
`22:02.37`	`Strider`	`BTW my real name is Brian...I live in Ohio...I lived in Africa for almost 15 years and India for 2`
`22:02.48`	`Gwildor\|work`	`ok, tomarrow morn i will track someone dowsn`
`22:03.01`	`Strider`	`Im 50 years old and still a student`
`22:03.22`	`roxville`	`i'm chris, and i'm from sweden, but live in charleston, sc, where my wife is from`
`22:03.31`	`roxville`	`we met on irc... chatnet`
`22:03.45`	`roxville`	`:)`
`22:03.49`	`Strider`	`roxville, miss Sweden?`
`22:04.22`	`Strider`	`I miss Africa and India very much...`
`22:04.25`	`roxville`	`a little... i came over right after 9-11, so getting the green card is taking forever...`
`22:04.28`	`lordbambi`	`50 year old student...... if i'm correct one never stops learing`
`22:04.30`	`lordbambi`	`learning`
`22:05.02`	`Strider`	`lordbambi, I went back to school after coming back from overseas`
`22:05.05`	`roxville`	`i would love to go there soon and show off my daughter... they have never met her`
`22:05.11`	`roxville`	`she's 3 now`
`22:05.21`	`roxville`	`i've been here just over 4 years`
`22:05.27`	`Strider`	`roxville, travelling is expensive`
`22:05.33`	`roxville`	`yep`
`22:06.04`	`Strider`	`I was invited to go to Africa the 24 of March I may go...`
`22:06.31`	`Strider`	`but it interferes with my classes`
`22:06.44`	`Strider`	`so, I probably won't`
`22:07.32`	`Strider`	`a 3 year old daughter....she must me a sweety`
`22:07.57`	`roxville`	`i was planning on going to sweden in january... but we couldn't afford it... just as well, it's col as hell there now`
`22:07.59`	`roxville`	`:)`
`22:08.30`	`Strider`	`keep your dreams alive...it can happen...`
`22:08.44`	`roxville`	`Strider, she's a sweetie... on and off.... i'm a stay-at-home dad... so i get my fill of her...`
`22:09.18`	`roxville`	`and at 3...oh boy... can she be defiant...`
`22:09.24`	`Gwildor\|work`	`i wish i could go to school`
`22:09.26`	`Strider`	`roxville, my hat off to you bud. It would be a big challenge to do what you are doing...but love is the lubricant`
`22:09.40`	`roxville`	`:) thx`
`22:10.15`	`Strider`	`roxville, you must not let little things get to you...and that is the age of testing`
`22:10.32`	`roxville`	`i'm also a musician, and i have a gig tonight, so i gotta get ready... see if you got the answer to any of those questions on edevelop`
`22:10.44`	`roxville`	`if not, it's ok :)`
`22:10.48`	`Gwildor\|work`	`roxville, GL with gig`
`22:10.50`	`Strider`	`ok I am a musician too`
`22:10.53`	`Gwildor\|work`	`roxville, what typ of tunes?`
`22:11.04`	`roxville`	`Strider, the little things get to me ALL THE TIME!!!`
`22:11.27`	`roxville`	`http://roxville.no-ip.org/`
`22:11.39`	`roxville`	`under music is my recent stuff`
`22:12.16`	`Gwildor\|work`	`roxville, www.purevolume.com/onceagainmi is my most recent group...now broke-up`
`22:12.17`	`roxville`	`under files, the folder named "greasy saddles" that's my old band in sweden... "diesel and dust" was our..."hit"`
`22:12.18`	`Strider`	`roxville, it is easy for me to say that, hard for you to live out in the flesh, child rearing is the hardest work in the world but the most rewarding`
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`22:12.39`	`roxville`	`cool Gwildor\|work !`
`22:13.03`	`roxville`	`:)`
`22:13.09`	`Strider`	`I play accoustic...and rhythm`
`22:13.22`	`roxville`	`me too`
`22:13.40`	`Strider`	`my college dissertation is on Progressive Rock - Yes Band`
`22:14.18`	`Strider`	`I am looking at the music of Yes from a Communication standpoint...`
`22:14.40`	`roxville`	`yep, they're great`
`22:14.56`	`Strider`	`ever here their album Magnification?`
`22:15.16`	`Gwildor\|work`	`roxville, you signin on diesel and dust?`
`22:15.16`	`roxville`	`nowadays i lean more towards folk/alternative/country`
`22:15.18`	`Strider`	`it came out the very day of 9-11`
`22:15.29`	`roxville`	`yes Gwildor\|work i was the singer`
`22:15.33`	`Gwildor\|work`	`nice voice`
`22:15.38`	`Gwildor\|work`	`good piuckin too`
`22:15.40`	`Gwildor\|work`	`pickin`
`22:15.41`	`roxville`	`thx :)`
`22:16.03`	`Gwildor\|work`	`not my normal cup of tea...but i can listen to this.....good stuff`
`22:16.10`	`Strider`	`roxville, you better get yourself ready`
`22:16.16`	`roxville`	`i just played acoustic in that band... BUT i wrote that lick!!`
`22:16.27`	`Gwildor\|work`	`:) its good`
`22:16.46`	`roxville`	`yeah, see you guys later!@ good to get to know y'all a little better :)`
`22:16.50`	`lordbambi`	`has anyone here tried compiling wm_torture?`
`22:16.51`	`Gwildor\|work`	`:)`
`22:16.54`	`Gwildor\|work`	`im on my watout too`
`22:17.00`	`Gwildor\|work`	`way out`
`22:20.43`	`Strider`	`lordbambi, no sorry but what is the problem?`
`22:23.03`	`lordbambi`	`i downloaded wm_torture.tar.gz`
`22:23.19`	`lordbambi`	`tar xvfz wm_torture.tar.gz`
`22:23.26`	`lordbambi`	`cd wm_torture`
`22:23.34`	`lordbambi`	`and then i'm stuck`
`22:23.59`	`lordbambi`	`i tried gcc wm_torture.c but i get some errors`
`22:24.36`	`lordbambi`	`i think i'm missing some libraries...`
`22:25.27`	`lordbambi`	`one of the errors i get is: /temp/xxurihxu.o: in function x_init': wm_torture.c: undefined reference to XOpenDisplay`
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`22:27.44`	`lordbambi`	`there is a makefile but that has errors in it too`
`22:31.09`	`lordbambi`	`if you want to try it... just type wm_torture in google and you'l quickly find the tarbal`
`22:42.21`	`lordbambi`	`ok i found it... :-)`
`22:42.30`	`lordbambi`	`i just had to type: make`
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`22:58.03`	`LinuxNIT`	`yay i finally got wifi working well in elive :)`
`22:58.14`	`lordbambi`	`:-) welldone`
`22:58.35`	`LinuxNIT`	`i stole firmware from another live cd`
`22:58.38`	`LinuxNIT`	`mwhahahahaha`
`22:58.56`	`LinuxNIT`	`now it works better than ndiswrapper :D`
`22:59.14`	`LinuxNIT`	`orvalito, hows your wifi working?`
`23:04.31`	`orvalito`	`hmmm, i don't get it yet well to configure essid free to check if someone is generous in my neighbourhood..`
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`23:05.41`	`orvalito`	`the material is ok, thanks to you all...`
`23:06.50`	`orvalito`	`the etc/network/interfaces is very poor comparing to what I've already seen by my friends..`
`23:14.18`	`Strider`	`I have my wifi working and in other distros it was next to impossible`
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`23:24.19`	`*** join/#elive sinplomo (n=sinplomo@196.206.95.219)`
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`23:29.35`	`Elive_user`	`hello is there anybody?`
`23:29.52`	`Elive_user`	`english or french speaking?`
`23:31.48`	`neighborlee`	`hi`
`23:32.06`	`neighborlee`	`I can handle short bursts of french if necessary, otherwise english works ;)`
`23:32.19`	`Elive_user`	`ok i can speek english`
`23:32.25`	`neighborlee`	`comme telez-vous ce jour`
`23:32.38`	`neighborlee`	`ok`
`23:32.57`	`Elive_user`	`it s first time i use elive, i m discovering it and x-chat`
`23:34.18`	`neighborlee`	`ahhh ok`
`23:34.24`	`neighborlee`	`im downloading last bit of mine..`
`23:34.26`	`neighborlee`	`almost done`
`23:34.33`	`neighborlee`	`2m 11s`
`23:34.37`	`neighborlee`	`azureus`
`23:34.38`	`neighborlee`	`anyway`
`23:34.42`	`neighborlee`	`how do you like it`
`23:34.47`	`Elive_user`	`where do you come from`
`23:34.59`	`neighborlee`	`I am in washington state`
`23:35.03`	`Elive_user`	`i find it interesting but not enough tools`
`23:35.12`	`neighborlee`	`what kind of tools you want`
`23:35.14`	`Elive_user`	`ok! seattle ?`
`23:35.20`	`neighborlee`	`nearby yes`
`23:35.22`	`Elive_user`	`developpement`
`23:35.32`	`neighborlee`	`what kind`
`23:35.38`	`Elive_user`	`how difficult was superbowl!`
`23:35.43`	`neighborlee`	`hahah`
`23:35.46`	`neighborlee`	`yeah we lost indeed`
`23:36.00`	`neighborlee`	`I dont care much for bootball, but sad to see our team lose of course`
`23:36.01`	`Elive_user`	`editor, compiler or network toold`
`23:36.12`	`neighborlee`	`hmm`
`23:36.18`	`neighborlee`	`if gcc does not come..you can use synaptic to get it`
`23:36.25`	`neighborlee`	`or apt-get install gc`
`23:36.26`	`Elive_user`	`superbowl was the only football game on french tv`
`23:36.26`	`neighborlee`	`gcc`
`23:36.29`	`neighborlee`	`or apt-get install gcc`
`23:36.36`	`neighborlee`	`ah ok ic`
`23:36.37`	`neighborlee`	`heh`
`23:36.38`	`Elive_user`	`i have gcc`
`23:36.46`	`neighborlee`	`you mean ide then ?`
`23:36.53`	`neighborlee`	`if so anjuta maybe or eclipse`
`23:37.00`	`neighborlee`	`netbeans is nice for java`
`23:37.09`	`neighborlee`	`although elcipse does it all now I think`
`23:37.12`	`neighborlee`	`eclipse`
`23:37.16`	`Elive_user`	`i'm in love with eclipse, i find him perfect`
`23:37.22`	`neighborlee`	`LOL`
`23:37.30`	`neighborlee`	`s/him/it`
`23:38.04`	`neighborlee`	`yeah I know you french use gender ;))`
`23:38.11`	`Elive_user`	`you develop very much faster (dificult sentence) with it`
`23:38.12`	`neighborlee`	`gender gets me alot in french...hard to remember them all`
`23:38.30`	`neighborlee`	`yes agreed`
`23:38.50`	`Elive_user`	`yes i forgot no gender in english`
`23:39.49`	`Elive_user`	`exept for some tools, i think i like very much elive, it's light, nice...`
`23:40.40`	`neighborlee`	`np about gender...its kinda funny actually ;))heh`
`23:40.55`	`neighborlee`	`kewl`
`23:41.01`	`neighborlee`	`do you find it faster than gnome or kde for example ?`
`23:41.09`	`neighborlee`	`how about fluxbox or even xfce`
`23:42.16`	`Elive_user`	`kde is very slow, gnome a little bit`
`23:42.50`	`sinplomo`	`http://ubrowser.com/screenshots.php`
`23:42.56`	`Elive_user`	`i think flux is the faster, i don't remenber using xfce`
`23:42.58`	`neighborlee`	`Elive_user, agreed`
`23:43.07`	`neighborlee`	`Elive_user, yeah flux is VERy light`
`23:43.15`	`neighborlee`	`never liked it much because of that`
`23:43.19`	`neighborlee`	`ok for real slow computers`
`23:43.49`	`Elive_user`	`how old r u ?`
`23:44.15`	`neighborlee`	`sinplomo, is that you ?`
`23:44.16`	`Elive_user`	`student, or employee?`
`23:44.21`	`neighborlee`	`owner`
`23:44.31`	`Elive_user`	`what's owner?`
`23:44.35`	`neighborlee`	`http://www.heartseed.org`
`23:45.01`	`sinplomo`	`neighborlee, it's a 3D browser`
`23:45.07`	`neighborlee`	`yup`
`23:45.11`	`sinplomo`	`based on gecko ...`
`23:45.19`	`neighborlee`	`yup`
`23:47.48`	`Elive_user`	`you are developper on heartseed?`
`23:49.39`	`neighborlee`	`yes`
`23:49.53`	`neighborlee`	`when I have time :)`
`23:50.00`	`neighborlee`	`recruiting for help ;00`
`23:50.06`	`neighborlee`	`in ALL fields of course`
`23:50.16`	`neighborlee`	`massive games need massive teams`
`23:50.18`	`neighborlee`	`;)`
`23:50.22`	`neighborlee`	`think morrowind`
`23:50.32`	`Elive_user`	`morrowind?`
`23:50.38`	`neighborlee`	`its a pc game`
`23:50.52`	`neighborlee`	`was just giving example`
`23:50.53`	`Elive_user`	`ok i don't know him`
`23:50.56`	`neighborlee`	`np`
`23:50.58`	`neighborlee`	`let me find`
`23:51.10`	`neighborlee`	`after this install is done that is...uno momento`
`23:51.15`	`neighborlee`	`un moment`
`23:51.25`	`Elive_user`	`yes un moment`
`23:51.36`	`neighborlee`	`LOL I went into spanish for se cond didnt I...hahaahha`
`23:51.38`	`Elive_user`	`excellent francais`
`23:51.48`	`neighborlee`	`not many french people around here really`
`23:51.54`	`neighborlee`	`well`
`23:51.57`	`neighborlee`	`merci mais,,,\`
`23:52.10`	`Elive_user`	`french engineer will rules the world !!!!`
`23:52.36`	`Elive_user`	`(i don't think so)`
`23:52.50`	`neighborlee`	`je suis tres rouille..je ne utiliser pas mon francaise suffisant ..j'ai etudier pour quatre ans une lycee`
`23:53.05`	`neighborlee`	`french engineer huh ;)))`
`23:53.06`	`neighborlee`	`heh`
`23:53.18`	`sinplomo`	`neighborlee, tu dois ameliorer ton français :P`
`23:53.24`	`Elive_user`	`oui tu fais des fautes mais c'est quand meme bien`
`23:53.34`	`neighborlee`	`merci`
`23:53.40`	`Elive_user`	`sinplomo, where do you come from?`
`23:53.47`	`neighborlee`	`sinplomo, meci`
`23:53.48`	`sinplomo`	`Elive_user, morocco`
`23:53.51`	`neighborlee`	`sinplomo, merci ;000`
`23:54.01`	`sinplomo`	`:)`
`23:54.08`	`Elive_user`	`sinplomo, donc tu doi te debrouiller en francais`
`23:55.01`	`sinplomo`	`Elive_user, je l'etudie au lycee`
`23:55.26`	`Elive_user`	`moi je suis de bordeaux (la ville a chamack)`
`23:57.33`	`Elive_user`	`neighborlee, i don't think i can help you for heartseed, i haven't got time with my studies. too much project...`
`23:58.17`	`Elive_user`	`i've got a python project and i don't know language, it seem's to be easy but i don't like language with dynamic type`
`23:58.36`	`sinplomo`	`Elive_user, chamack ?`
`23:58.38`	`sinplomo`	`c'est qui ?`
`23:59.03`	`Elive_user`	`sinplomo, l'avant centre de l'equipe de foot du maroc`
`23:59.33`	`neighborlee`	`Elive_user, thats ok...`
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