irclog2html for #elive on 20060223

`00:01.04`	`Schamane__`	`does it work?`
`00:01.20`	`saad3000`	`Feb 23 02:03:32 localhost kernel: atkbd.c: Unknown key released (translated set 2, code 0xd6 on isa0060/serio0).`
`00:01.24`	`saad3000`	`Feb 23 02:03:32 localhost kernel: atkbd.c: Use 'setkeycodes e056 <keycode>' to make it known.`
`00:01.50`	`saad3000`	`no`
`00:02.00`	`Schamane__`	`type`
`00:02.01`	`Schamane__`	`dmeg`
`00:02.15`	`Schamane__`	`there has to be somthing about your card`
`00:02.18`	`saad3000`	`tkbd.c: Use 'setkeycodes e034 <keycode>' to make it known.`
`00:02.18`	`saad3000`	`atkbd.c: Unknown key released (translated set 2, code 0xb4 on isa0060/serio0).`
`00:02.18`	`saad3000`	`atkbd.c: Use 'setkeycodes e034 <keycode>' to make it known.`
`00:02.26`	`Schamane__`	`the last 5 lines maybe interesting`
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`00:02.57`	`Schamane__`	`atkbd.c: Use 'setkeycodes e034 <keycode>' to make it know <------- thats something with your keyboard, nothing with your card`
`00:03.10`	`saad3000`	`mmm`
`00:03.17`	`Schamane__`	`?`
`00:03.30`	`saad3000`	`Schamane__: I had a button on the side of the laptop to activates and deactiavtes the wireless`
`00:03.39`	`saad3000`	`so when i press it , it give me those errors`
`00:03.47`	`*** join/#elive LinuxNIT (n=LinuxNIT@ip-129-15-127-253.fennfwsm.ou.edu)`
`00:04.05`	`Schamane__`	`type dmesg plz`
`00:04.12`	`saad3000`	`Schamane__: i did`
`00:04.21`	`Schamane__`	`whats the output?`
`00:04.25`	`saad3000`	`i even saw my wirelesss info`
`00:04.25`	`Schamane__`	`last 5 lines`
`00:04.34`	`Schamane__`	`paste last 5 lines plz`
`00:04.35`	`saad3000`	`Schamane__: its the error messegs`
`00:04.43`	`Schamane__`	`paste last 5 lines plz`
`00:04.58`	`saad3000`	`atkbd.c: Use 'setkeycodes e056 <keycode>' to make it known.`
`00:04.59`	`saad3000`	`atkbd.c: Unknown key pressed (translated set 2, code 0xb4 on isa0060/serio0).`
`00:04.59`	`saad3000`	`atkbd.c: Use 'setkeycodes e034 <keycode>' to make it known.`
`00:04.59`	`saad3000`	`atkbd.c: Unknown key released (translated set 2, code 0xb4 on isa0060/serio0).`
`00:04.59`	`saad3000`	`atkbd.c: Use 'setkeycodes e034 <keycode>' to make it known.`
`00:05.09`	`Schamane__`	`hmpf again that shit`
`00:05.14`	`Schamane__`	`type`
`00:05.16`	`Schamane__`	`rmmod ipw2200 && modprobe ipw2200`
`00:05.34`	`Schamane__`	`then dmesg , the 5 lines should look different`
`00:05.42`	`saad3000`	`k`
`00:05.57`	`Thanatermesis`	`LinuxNIT ping`
`00:06.17`	`LinuxNIT`	`do what ?`
`00:06.24`	`saad3000`	`ipw2200: Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 2200/2915 Network Driver, 1.0.8`
`00:06.24`	`saad3000`	`ipw2200: Copyright(c) 2003-2005 Intel Corporation`
`00:06.24`	`saad3000`	`ipw2200: Detected Intel PRO/Wireless 2200BG Network Connection`
`00:06.24`	`saad3000`	`ipw2200: ipw-2.4-boot.fw load failed: Reason -2`
`00:06.24`	`saad3000`	`ipw2200: Unable to load firmware: -2`
`00:06.26`	`saad3000`	`ipw2200: failed to register network device`
`00:06.29`	`saad3000`	`ipw2200: probe of 0000:06:03.0 failed with error -5`
`00:06.32`	`Schamane__`	`ipw-2.4-boot.fw load failed: Reason -2`
`00:06.40`	`Schamane__`	`your Firmware is the prob`
`00:06.51`	`saad3000`	`Schamane__: its the latest from apt-get install`
`00:07.03`	`Schamane__`	`maybe, but it doesnt work for you`
`00:07.17`	`saad3000`	`shit'`
`00:07.18`	`*** join/#elive Elive_user2 (n=Elive_us@toronto-HSE-ppp4268964.sympatico.ca)`
`00:07.35`	`saad3000`	`how do i remove it?`
`00:07.39`	`LinuxNIT`	`Thanatermesis, what?`
`00:07.55`	`Schamane__`	`saad3000, http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net/firmware.php`
`00:08.04`	`roxville`	`LinuxNIT, you say :pong`
`00:08.15`	`LinuxNIT`	`Thanatermesis, pong`
`00:08.17`	`LinuxNIT`	`oook`
`00:08.22`	`roxville`	`:D`
`00:08.34`	`roxville`	`very good :)`
`00:08.43`	`LinuxNIT`	`lol`
`00:09.00`	`saad3000`	`Schamane__: which one to choose?`
`00:09.10`	`roxville`	`i think he wants you to try something`
`00:09.13`	`Schamane__`	`dont know`
`00:09.17`	`saad3000`	`Schamane__: first how do I remove the installed one?`
`00:09.26`	`LinuxNIT`	`well i might do it but i dunno what he wants ;)`
`00:09.42`	`Schamane__`	`they are in /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware`
`00:09.50`	`roxville`	`apt-get remove --purge to remove configs too`
`00:09.59`	`Thanatermesis`	`LinuxNIT do you have ATI correct ?`
`00:10.00`	`Schamane__`	`or that way`
`00:10.28`	`LinuxNIT`	`Thanatermesis, not as far as i know :)`
`00:10.36`	`Thanatermesis`	`no ? mmmh :/`
`00:10.40`	`LinuxNIT`	`no`
`00:11.02`	`saad3000`	`done`
`00:11.12`	`Thanatermesis`	`ok`
`00:11.39`	`roxville`	`neck, sorry`
`00:11.51`	`LinuxNIT`	`:)`
`00:12.05`	`saad3000`	`Schamane__: its a source file, i hope its not hard to get it installed`
`00:12.21`	`Schamane__`	`hehe`
`00:12.53`	`Schamane__`	`which one have you downloaded?`
`00:13.04`	`Elive_user2`	`how come my terminal has a white background with white letters?`
`00:13.26`	`saad3000`	`ipw2200-fw-2.4.tgz`
`00:13.44`	`roxville`	`because you are running 0.4-pre and not 0.4 official`
`00:13.52`	`Schamane__`	`tar -zxvf ipw.....`
`00:14.02`	`saad3000`	`lol he left`
`00:14.06`	`Schamane__`	`thats no source, thats the firmware`
`00:14.09`	`LinuxNIT`	`no he didnt`
`00:14.23`	`roxville`	`Elive_user, get 0.4official...but until then, press ctrl+alt+insert`
`00:14.27`	`Schamane__`	`copy the files to /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware`
`00:14.30`	`LinuxNIT`	`no he did`
`00:14.42`	`Schamane__`	`and do rmmod ipw2200 && modprobe ipw2200 again`
`00:14.44`	`saad3000`	`damn it inflated the files in my home directory`
`00:14.54`	`saad3000`	`k`
`00:15.07`	`Schamane__`	`do cp *.fw /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware/`
`00:15.14`	`sinplomo`	`Schamane__, mv ...`
`00:15.21`	`Schamane__`	`ups right`
`00:15.40`	`Schamane__`	`or an rm *.fw after cp ;)`
`00:15.56`	`saad3000`	`done`
`00:15.59`	`Schamane__`	`sinplomo, u use ipw2200? dont ya?`
`00:16.02`	`saad3000`	`Schamane__: yah idid`
`00:16.09`	`saad3000`	`k now`
`00:16.12`	`saad3000`	`to check`
`00:16.13`	`Schamane__`	`dmesg`
`00:16.16`	`saad3000`	`k`
`00:16.27`	`Schamane__`	`u did an rmmod ipw2200 && modprobe ipw2200 again???`
`00:16.30`	`saad3000`	`its gone be a long paste guys`
`00:16.33`	`saad3000`	`Schamane__: yep`
`00:16.36`	`Schamane__`	`good`
`00:16.42`	`Schamane__`	`give the last 5`
`00:16.54`	`saad3000`	`ipw2200: Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 2200/2915 Network Driver, 1.0.8`
`00:16.54`	`saad3000`	`ipw2200: Copyright(c) 2003-2005 Intel Corporation`
`00:16.54`	`saad3000`	`ipw2200: Detected Intel PRO/Wireless 2200BG Network Connection`
`00:16.54`	`saad3000`	`ipw2200: Radio Frequency Kill Switch is On:`
`00:16.54`	`saad3000`	`Kill switch must be turned off for wireless networking to work.`
`00:17.13`	`Schamane__`	`looks better`
`00:17.27`	`saad3000`	`Schamane__: your the Man l/;>`
`00:17.32`	`Schamane__`	`what does kill switch mean?`
`00:17.47`	`saad3000`	`yah i did iwconfig and i can see the wireless card`
`00:17.51`	`*** join/#elive GPLGeek (n=GPLGeek@pdpc/supporter/student/GPLGeek)`
`00:17.55`	`saad3000`	`Schamane__: no idea am asking myself that`
`00:18.04`	`sinplomo`	`Schamane__, i don't`
`00:18.11`	`saad3000`	`Schamane__: i will run messages and turn on or off the button`
`00:18.15`	`*** join/#elive egrub (n=lilo78@190.48.18.195)`
`00:18.25`	`Schamane__`	`maybe its off at the moment?`
`00:18.32`	`saad3000`	`let me c`
`00:18.39`	`roxville`	`saad3000 ipw2200: Radio Frequency Kill Switch is On:`
`00:18.44`	`LinuxNIT`	`:)`
`00:19.24`	`Schamane__`	it`s a problem of your activate button
`00:19.34`	`Schamane__`	`is this an acer laptop?`
`00:20.50`	`Schamane__`	`hello?`
`00:21.01`	`Schamane__`	`we got to hurry up, i have to go to bed`
`00:21.06`	`LinuxNIT`	`saad3000, can you connect to a network with it?`
`00:21.54`	`Schamane__`	`hehe`
`00:22.01`	`*** join/#elive Elive_user (n=Elive_us@24.229.221.192.res-cmts.mtp.ptd.net)`
`00:22.14`	`Schamane__`	he`s not offline YET ;)
`00:23.43`	`Schamane__`	`saad3000, wassup???`
`00:24.37`	`LinuxNIT`	`roxville, you still playing that drum roll?`
`00:24.56`	`LinuxNIT`	`looks like you need to work on timing ;)`
`00:25.23`	`Schamane__`	`i hate that, ppl wanna get help and when they get it they dont use it`
`00:25.46`	`roxville`	`no, i'm cool... for a little while longer...`
`00:25.56`	`LinuxNIT`	`lol`
`00:26.06`	`roxville`	`Schamane__, ... yep`
`00:26.21`	`roxville`	`hey Gryn :)`
`00:26.29`	`Gryn`	`Hello =)`
`00:26.35`	`Schamane__`	`hi Gryn`
`00:26.41`	`Gryn`	`Hi`
`00:27.07`	`roxville`	`c'mon, everybody say hi to Gryn`
`00:27.10`	`roxville`	`!!!`
`00:27.17`	`LinuxNIT`	`howdy Gryn`
`00:27.27`	`Gryn`	`Hahaha Hello Everyone`
`00:27.29`	`roxville`	`Gryn, welcome to #elive`
`00:27.35`	`Gryn`	`Thank you very much`
`00:27.38`	`LinuxNIT`	`ah here we go`
`00:27.41`	`roxville`	`how can we hlep ya?`
`00:27.44`	`Gryn`	`You've made me feel extremely welcome hah`
`00:27.49`	`everybody`	`hi gryn`
`00:27.50`	`roxville`	`or help`
`00:27.52`	`everybody`	`hehehe`
`00:27.53`	`Gryn`	`Haha`
`00:27.59`	`Gryn`	`=)`
`00:28.01`	`roxville`	`hehe`
`00:28.07`	`Gryn`	`oh man. haha`
`00:28.11`	`LinuxNIT`	`apparently that nick is registered`
`00:28.12`	`LinuxNIT`	`lol`
`00:28.22`	`roxville`	`lol`
`00:28.32`	`sinplomo`	`apt, x en es snare drum`
`00:28.47`	`Gryn`	`Elive's webiste has been down for a while now..`
`00:28.51`	`sinplomo`	`hum ...`
`00:29.03`	`LinuxNIT`	`btw IF saad3000 comes back tell him about rfswithc.sf.net :)`
`00:29.24`	`LinuxNIT`	`*rfswitch.sf.net`
`00:29.43`	`roxville`	`why?`
`00:30.00`	`roxville`	`don't explain...`
`00:30.15`	`LinuxNIT`	`?`
`00:30.28`	`*** join/#elive gnaunited (n=Alex@71-33-140-215.hlrn.qwest.net)`
`00:30.33`	`roxville`	`!`
`00:30.45`	`*** join/#elive Elive_user36 (n=Elive_us@ip70-162-133-104.ph.ph.cox.net)`
`00:30.56`	`roxville`	`hi gnaunited`
`00:31.11`	`roxville`	`everyone, say hi to gnaunited !!`
`00:31.25`	`o[WildChild]o`	`kawabunga gnaunited !`
`00:31.34`	`gnaunited`	`Is there a tutorial on how to set up a wireless card using ndiswrapper? It will load the driver but when I go to do the "modprobe ndiswrapper" it comes back with a fatal error.`
`00:31.40`	`gnaunited`	`And hello`
`00:31.44`	`LinuxNIT`	`we can tell ya`
`00:31.46`	`LinuxNIT`	`:)`
`00:31.53`	`Schamane__`	`oh my god`
`00:32.08`	`LinuxNIT`	`did you install ndiswrapper-modules-2.6.12?`
`00:32.16`	`gnaunited`	`probably not`
`00:32.19`	`LinuxNIT`	`:)`
`00:32.22`	`Schamane__`	`not me again im done`
`00:32.25`	`LinuxNIT`	`lol`
`00:32.26`	`gnaunited`	`And how would I do that?`
`00:32.34`	`Schamane__`	`apt-get install ndiswrapper-modules-2.6.12`
`00:32.34`	`LinuxNIT`	`apt-get install ndiswrapper-modules-2.6.12`
`00:32.38`	`LinuxNIT`	`beat ya`
`00:32.40`	`LinuxNIT`	`mwahahah`
`00:32.41`	`Schamane__`	`hehe faster`
`00:32.48`	`Schamane__`	`gnaunited And how would I do that?`
`00:32.49`	`Schamane__`	`Schamane__ apt-get install ndiswrapper-modules-2.6.12`
`00:32.49`	`Schamane__`	`LinuxNIT apt-get install ndiswrapper-modules-2.6.12`
`00:32.49`	`Schamane__`	`LinuxNIT beat ya`
`00:32.49`	`Schamane__`	`LinuxNIT mwahahah`
`00:32.57`	`Schamane__`	`not really :)`
`00:33.13`	`LinuxNIT`	`LinuxNIT apt-get install ndiswrapper-modules-2.6.12`
`00:33.13`	`LinuxNIT`	`Schamane__ apt-get install ndiswrapper-modules-2.6.12`
`00:33.13`	`LinuxNIT`	`LinuxNIT beat ya`
`00:33.13`	`LinuxNIT`	`LinuxNIT mwahahah`
`00:33.15`	`LinuxNIT`	`oh yeah`
`00:33.16`	`LinuxNIT`	`lol`
`00:33.24`	`Schamane__`	`heheh latency`
`00:33.26`	`LinuxNIT`	`yep`
`00:33.28`	`LinuxNIT`	`we tie`
`00:33.31`	`LinuxNIT`	`deal?`
`00:33.35`	`Schamane__`	`5`
`00:34.01`	`Gryn`	`Doe anybody know why my terminal displays a bunch of symbols instead of normal letters?`
`00:34.06`	`gnaunited`	`Is there like a repair button to fix your network interface like in XP? or what is the official command line version of doing that?`
`00:34.22`	`sinplomo`	`<gnaunited> Is there like a repair button to fix your network interface like in XP? or what is the official command line version of doing that? <= cof cof cof cof`
`00:34.29`	`LinuxNIT`	`hmm like to "refresh it"?`
`00:34.31`	`Schamane__`	`. /etc/init.d/networking restart`
`00:34.34`	`gnaunited`	`Yup`
`00:34.37`	`gnaunited`	`k`
`00:34.43`	`LinuxNIT`	`i use pump -i wlan0`
`00:34.45`	`sinplomo`	`apt, shoot gnaunited`
`00:34.47`	`apt`	`ACTION shoots gnaunited in the foot with a frozen turkey cannon!`
`00:34.53`	`*** mode/#elive [+o Thanatermesis] by ChanServ`
`00:35.10`	`sinplomo`	`don't speak more about XP :[`
`00:35.13`	`LinuxNIT`	`wlan0 or what ever interface you want to refresh`
`00:35.14`	`sinplomo`	`lol`
`00:35.17`	`LinuxNIT`	`lol`
`00:35.19`	`*** join/#elive Elive_user36 (n=Elive_us@ip70-162-133-104.ph.ph.cox.net)`
`00:35.21`	`sinplomo`	`Thanatermesis, uh uh`
`00:35.24`	`sinplomo`	`calmate`
`00:35.24`	`gnaunited`	`Xp is the only reason i am as far as i am`
`00:35.26`	`sinplomo`	`xDD`
`00:35.45`	`*** topic/#elive by Thanatermesis -> Need Help? http://elivecd.org/gb/Help/Help \|\| Open your mind with elive-essence: "xmms http://64.236.34.4:80/stream/1035" \|\| Check #e #e.fr #e.es #e.de #e.it Enlightenment channels \|\| If you like to help SEEDING the torrent http://thana.no-ip.org/trac/wiki/EliveRelease \|\| DON'T USE PRE VERSION`
`00:35.45`	`gnaunited`	`wlan0 doesn't exist yet - that is the problem`
`00:36.18`	`LinuxNIT`	`did you intall the modules yet?`
`00:36.19`	`sinplomo`	`gnaunited, ndiswrapper -i /path/to/cdrom/file.inf`
`00:36.26`	`gnaunited`	`im working on it`
`00:36.30`	`LinuxNIT`	`k`
`00:36.35`	`sinplomo`	`<gnaunited> Xp is the only reason i am as far as i am <= are you bill gates ?`
`00:36.39`	`Schamane__`	`14.4 K modem? ;)`
`00:36.53`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt-get install ndisgtk <---- FOR ALL NDISWRAPPER USERS, A GUI FOR IT`
`00:37.10`	`LinuxNIT`	`lol i didnt know there was one :)`
`00:37.19`	`Schamane__`	`Thanatermesis, clicking??? crazy??? ;)`
`00:37.31`	`sinplomo`	`Thanatermesis, no sera el que yo hice ... porque apesta !`
`00:37.34`	`sinplomo`	`xDD`
`00:37.40`	`Thanatermesis`	`i don't like the clicks... but the package is added on the repositories ;)`
`00:37.41`	`Schamane__`	`english plz`
`00:37.47`	`Schamane__`	`or teach me in spanish`
`00:37.47`	`Thanatermesis`	`sinplomo npi`
`00:37.50`	`Thanatermesis`	`xD`
`00:37.56`	`LinuxNIT`	`Thanatermesis, thats gonna take 10 MB on my HD :O`
`00:37.56`	`Thanatermesis`	`sinplomo creo que lo cogi de la pagina oficial`
`00:37.57`	`sinplomo`	`ah vale`
`00:38.03`	`sinplomo`	`aham`
`00:38.11`	`Thanatermesis`	`LinuxNIT yes, has big dependencies.. this is why not is by default on elive, hehe`
`00:38.12`	`sinplomo`	`yo hice una chorrada en zenity`
`00:38.13`	`sinplomo`	`que mas da`
`00:38.17`	`Schamane__`	`Thanatermesis, its the right way i think, because wpa on linux is too tricky at the moment IMHO`
`00:38.18`	`sinplomo`	`xDD`
`00:38.23`	`gnaunited`	`My other problem is that the Elpanel does not save my password like it should be`
`00:38.26`	`LinuxNIT`	`i think i can handle the cli just fine ;)`
`00:38.42`	`Thanatermesis`	`Schamane__ apt-cache search wpasupplicant`
`00:38.56`	`Thanatermesis`	`mmmh, i think to its on Elive installed by default`
`00:39.00`	`Schamane__`	`Thanatermesis, i know, im online with wpa wlan ;)`
`00:39.10`	`LinuxNIT`	`yeah it is`
`00:39.20`	`Schamane__`	`but its not really easy to configure`
`00:39.25`	`Schamane__`	`for beginners`
`00:40.36`	`Thanatermesis`	`Schamane__ and all the wireless stuff in general.. is true to all its a crappy thing... i don't understand why all has a diferent way to work, this is for make more hard the life of the users ?`
`00:40.57`	`gnaunited`	`"Could not enable the interface wlan0"`
`00:41.18`	`Schamane__`	`Thanatermesis, full ACK, but i think the industry sucks the most of that`
`00:41.35`	`Schamane__`	`gnaunited, what have you done so far`
`00:41.45`	`Thanatermesis`	`yes, this is true`
`00:41.55`	`gnaunited`	`let me make sure te card still works - it was acting up ealier`
`00:42.10`	`Schamane__`	`ndiswrapper -i is already done?`
`00:42.14`	`gnaunited`	`Yep`
`00:42.38`	`Schamane__`	`Thanatermesis, the best example is ATI not 64 bit drivers for linux for a long time`
`00:42.52`	`Schamane__`	`but 64 bit drivers for windows before an beta was out`
`00:43.05`	`Schamane__`	`gnaunited, modprobe ndiswrapper?`
`00:43.06`	`Thanatermesis`	`or just make a look to all the hardware not supported Schamane__ ;)`
`00:43.14`	`LinuxNIT`	`gnaunited, did you modprobe -r ndiswrapper and then modprobe ndiswrapper`
`00:43.16`	`LinuxNIT`	`?`
`00:43.48`	`gnaunited`	`I did not see that in the ndiswrapper wiki`
`00:43.49`	`Schamane__`	`Thanatermesis, yes it really sad, if i could play games native in linux i would delete my winxp`
`00:44.04`	`LinuxNIT`	`eh i guess if you didnt have the modules install you wouldnt need the -r :-/`
`00:44.20`	`Schamane__`	`gnaunited, just do it`
`00:44.24`	`Thanatermesis`	`Schamane__ the emulators and the old ms-dos games are the best ;)`
`00:44.34`	`Schamane__`	`Thanatermesis, not really :(`
`00:44.42`	`gnaunited`	`Working in XP to make sute the card isn't busted`
`00:44.48`	`gnaunited`	`*sure`
`00:45.12`	`gnaunited`	`And what is this: " MemoServ: (notice) You have no new memos"`
`00:45.13`	`Thanatermesis`	`Schamane__ http://thana.no-ip.org/mediawiki/index.php/Image:Tezca-3.jpg`
`00:45.13`	`Schamane__`	`linux tells you more about hardwar than any windows version`
`00:45.27`	`Thanatermesis`	`gnaunited memoserv... ignore it`
`00:45.53`	`Thanatermesis`	`gnaunited /msg memoserv read 1`
`00:46.13`	`Schamane__`	`Thanatermesis, i remember that game but forgotten the name`
`00:46.21`	`Thanatermesis`	`MONKEY ISLAND !`
`00:46.25`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt monkey island`
`00:46.26`	`apt`	`ACTION flings poo at island`
`00:47.11`	`Schamane__`	`ah yes`
`00:47.40`	`Schamane__`	`Thanatermesis, do you work in linux development? or is it just an hobby?`
`00:47.56`	`Thanatermesis`	`for this moments hobby :)`
`00:48.15`	`Schamane__`	`whats your job?`
`00:48.51`	`Thanatermesis`	`i make little diferents jobs repairing things`
`00:49.01`	`Thanatermesis`	`im mac-gyver :)`
`00:49.08`	`Schamane__`	`hehe`
`00:49.17`	`LinuxNIT`	`lol`
`00:49.24`	`gnaunited`	`And another question: Are there any dock apps for sound?`
`00:49.24`	`Schamane__`	`a good pocket knife is all we need ;)`
`00:49.37`	`Schamane__`	`gnaunited, yes evolume`
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`00:49.50`	`Schamane__`	`its an module in e17`
`00:50.21`	`gnaunited`	`I am using 16, so any for it?`
`00:50.27`	`Elive_user`	`cc`
`00:51.06`	`Schamane__`	Thanatermesis, you`re from spain right?
`00:52.45`	`Schamane__`	`ok guys, have to go to bed`
`00:52.51`	`Thanatermesis`	`yes, living in belgium actually`
`00:52.58`	`LinuxNIT`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:53.05`	`Schamane__`	`n8`
`00:53.05`	`Thanatermesis`	`good night Schamane__`
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`00:54.05`	`gnaunited`	`Alright - the card works, and I just uninstalled it from ndiswrapper. What is the procedure for installing it?`
`00:54.26`	`LinuxNIT`	`ndiswrapper -i foo.inf`
`00:54.36`	`LinuxNIT`	`then modprobe ndiswrapper`
`00:55.13`	`LinuxNIT`	`ndiswrapper -i foo.inf << requires you to be in the dir thatcontains the inf files for the driver`
`00:56.02`	`gnaunited`	`Done`
`00:56.17`	`LinuxNIT`	`no erros`
`00:56.21`	`gnaunited`	`Nope`
`00:56.25`	`LinuxNIT`	`iwconfig`
`00:56.30`	`LinuxNIT`	`is it listed?`
`00:56.45`	`gnaunited`	`yep`
`00:56.52`	`LinuxNIT`	`its installed :)`
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`00:57.13`	`LinuxNIT`	`now do pico /etc/modules`
`00:57.23`	`LinuxNIT`	`add ndiswrapper on its own line`
`00:57.38`	`LinuxNIT`	`this will ensure that ndiswrapper is loaded at boot`
`00:57.50`	`gnaunited`	`But then it hangs when I try to activate it`
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`00:58.19`	`LinuxNIT`	`you have a wifi net near you ?`
`00:58.28`	`gnaunited`	`Yep`
`00:58.36`	`gnaunited`	`The light comes on for a second then turns off`
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`00:58.43`	`gnaunited`	`And then it hangs`
`00:58.51`	`LinuxNIT`	`do iwlist scanning`
`00:59.05`	`LinuxNIT`	`does it find your network?`
`00:59.09`	`gnaunited`	`Yes`
`00:59.21`	`LinuxNIT`	`is it encrypted?`
`00:59.31`	`gnaunited`	`Yep`
`00:59.52`	`LinuxNIT`	`whats you interface named? wlan0?`
`00:59.58`	`gnaunited`	`Yes`
`01:00.22`	`LinuxNIT`	`do iwconfig wlan0 essid networknamehere`
`01:00.39`	`LinuxNIT`	`iwconfig wlan0 key wepkeyhere`
`01:00.40`	`gnaunited`	`k`
`01:00.46`	`LinuxNIT`	`pump -i wlan0`
`01:01.30`	`LinuxNIT`	`did that work?`
`01:01.44`	`gnaunited`	`Operation failed.`
`01:01.47`	`LinuxNIT`	`hmm`
`01:02.11`	`LinuxNIT`	`whats dmesg \| tail say`
`01:03.16`	`gnaunited`	`No routers (ipv6), adding encryption key 1 failed,`
`01:03.38`	`LinuxNIT`	`hmmm`
`01:03.52`	`LinuxNIT`	`where did you get the driver from?`
`01:04.56`	`gnaunited`	`The belkin cd`
`01:05.14`	`badblody`	`Thanatermesis, ANNOUNCING : Ebuntu , Enlightenment 0.17 + Ubuntu https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2006-February/067465.html`
`01:06.05`	`LinuxNIT`	`gnaunited, check belkins website for a updated driver`
`01:06.07`	`Thanatermesis`	`ya lo vi badblody... desde que salio Elive 0.3... ahora todo dios mete E xD`
`01:07.27`	`LinuxNIT`	`gnaunited, what card is it?`
`01:07.58`	`gnaunited`	`belkin 54g Model no. F5D7010`
`01:08.35`	`LinuxNIT`	`gnaunited, http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/List#B has a lot of info on belkin wifi cards that one included`
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`01:09.39`	`LinuxNIT`	`looks like they had the problem you are having and fixed with a dif driver`
`01:09.50`	`LinuxNIT`	`gnaunited, you see it?`
`01:11.12`	`gnaunited`	`Yes`
`01:11.35`	`LinuxNIT`	`k i hope that helps ya`
`01:11.40`	`gnaunited`	`So is it a AR5211, A RaLink, or a broadcom?`
`01:11.48`	`gnaunited`	`I will keep trying`
`01:12.14`	`LinuxNIT`	`do lspci and show me what it says`
`01:12.33`	`LinuxNIT`	`regarding the wireless nic`
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`01:13.15`	`DaSkreech`	`mount -a doesn't work :(`
`01:13.23`	`gnaunited`	`Well, I would love to but Linux just locked up`
`01:13.25`	`gnaunited`	`fun`
`01:13.35`	`LinuxNIT`	`linux or e17?`
`01:13.45`	`gnaunited`	`It all locked up`
`01:13.49`	`gnaunited`	`and I am using e16`
`01:13.51`	`LinuxNIT`	`hit cntrl-alt backspace`
`01:13.57`	`gnaunited`	`nope`
`01:14.02`	`gnaunited`	`it is all locked up`
`01:14.09`	`LinuxNIT`	`cntrl-alt F1?`
`01:14.14`	`gnaunited`	`nope`
`01:14.17`	`LinuxNIT`	`wierd`
`01:14.27`	`DaSkreech`	`Might take like a minute or two`
`01:14.37`	`DaSkreech`	`Or 12 if you have a pIII or worse`
`01:14.57`	`LinuxNIT`	`well lspci should tell you the chipset when you get it back`
`01:15.53`	`gnaunited`	`Well, after a really hard reboot (remove battery), it is not loading`
`01:16.00`	`gnaunited`	`now*`
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`01:16.36`	`gnaunited`	`And what do I do about this? pcmcia utils requires Linux > 2.6.13rc1`
`01:16.57`	`LinuxNIT`	`i dunno mine says the same thing`
`01:17.11`	`LinuxNIT`	`and my wifi card works`
`01:17.21`	`LinuxNIT`	`what is not loading?`
`01:17.36`	`gnaunited`	`(now loading)`
`01:17.42`	`LinuxNIT`	`oh`
`01:18.17`	`DaSkreech`	`Should my Hard drives turn up under /mnt?`
`01:19.48`	`gnaunited`	`Oops, forgot to plug it in... Rebooting again`
`01:23.23`	`DaSkreech`	`LinuxNIT: I think that my hard drive might be dead`
`01:23.26`	`gnaunited`	`Well, it is a broadcom Airforce One card`
`01:23.34`	`gnaunited`	`That is odd`
`01:23.36`	`LinuxNIT`	`DaSkreech, do fdisk -l`
`01:24.04`	`LinuxNIT`	`did youbuy it new?`
`01:24.10`	`DaSkreech`	`Oh no`
`01:24.17`	`LinuxNIT`	`DaSkreech, what?`
`01:24.20`	`DaSkreech`	`I booted up under elive and it didn't mount`
`01:24.34`	`LinuxNIT`	`what does fdisk -l show?`
`01:24.34`	`DaSkreech`	`At least it came up with the partitons under /mnt`
`01:24.48`	`DaSkreech`	`When I rebooted I couldn't get back to kubuntu`
`01:25.00`	`DaSkreech`	`So I booted back up under elive and tried mount -a`
`01:25.06`	`LinuxNIT`	`what does fdisk -l show?`
`01:25.20`	`DaSkreech`	`The entries are in the fstab but doesn't seem to be traversable`
`01:25.26`	`DaSkreech`	`fdisk isn't on the elive cd`
`01:25.29`	`DaSkreech`	`I think`
`01:25.34`	`LinuxNIT`	`su to root`
`01:25.36`	`DaSkreech`	`let me try /usr/sbin`
`01:25.40`	`LinuxNIT`	`su to root`
`01:26.09`	`DaSkreech`	`The drive`
`01:26.23`	`DaSkreech`	`with linux file systems and linux/solaris swap`
`01:26.56`	`LinuxNIT`	`fdisk shows your drive?`
`01:27.00`	`roxville`	`hey DaSkreech long time, no see :)`
`01:27.23`	`DaSkreech`	`hi roxville how are you?`
`01:27.33`	`DaSkreech`	`Loooooooving the new elive`
`01:27.42`	`roxville`	`i'm good man, and you?`
`01:27.47`	`DaSkreech`	`I just grab animated wallpapers from get-e.org and leave it running`
`01:27.51`	`roxville`	`gooooooood!!`
`01:27.52`	`LinuxNIT`	`gnaunited, are you downloading the other driver?`
`01:28.04`	`DaSkreech`	`trying to figure out why I can't see my hard drives though`
`01:28.14`	`roxville`	`that's good LinuxNIT stay on him :)`
`01:28.29`	`roxville`	`DaSkreech, in fstab?`
`01:28.40`	`DaSkreech`	`It's there`
`01:28.44`	`DaSkreech`	`Just can't browse it`
`01:29.02`	`roxville`	`is daPlace`
`01:29.10`	`roxville`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:29.14`	`DaSkreech`	`si`
`01:29.27`	`roxville`	`oh, and they ain't there?`
`01:29.36`	`DaSkreech`	`and umount -a && mount -a seems to not do much`
`01:29.42`	`DaSkreech`	`they are there`
`01:29.58`	`DaSkreech`	`but when you go in they are not occupied`
`01:30.04`	`LinuxNIT`	`dont use -a try specifying one mount location`
`01:30.19`	`LinuxNIT`	`like mount /mnt/hda1`
`01:30.36`	`LinuxNIT`	`gnaunited, ?`
`01:30.48`	`Elive_user72`	`hi, i love this live cd`
`01:31.20`	`Elive_user72`	`this distro is beautiful`
`01:31.36`	`roxville`	`DaSkreech, are they scsi or sata?`
`01:31.51`	`Elive_user72`	`bye`
`01:32.21`	`*** part/#elive Elive_user72 (n=Elive_us@pc-90-195-104-200.cm.vtr.net)`
`01:32.22`	`DaSkreech`	`IDE`
`01:32.48`	`DaSkreech`	`Fly by approval?`
`01:33.50`	`roxville`	`LinuxNIT, could you help me? i'm stuck on a word... :)`
`01:34.18`	`LinuxNIT`	`what word? lol not sure what ya want`
`01:34.28`	`LinuxNIT`	`sorry`
`01:34.55`	`LinuxNIT`	`umm DaSkreech show me the out put of fdisk -l i want to SEE it`
`01:35.11`	`DaSkreech`	`Hmm`
`01:35.12`	`DaSkreech`	`Ok`
`01:35.19`	`roxville`	`LinuxNIT, PM`
`01:35.24`	`DaSkreech`	`It's on the other machine let me go login there`
`01:35.26`	`LinuxNIT`	`k`
`01:35.56`	`gnaunited`	`Sorry - I tried another driver and ndis kept telling me that it was invalid`
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`01:37.18`	`LinuxNIT`	`gnaunited, did you download the one they showed for your card ?`
`01:37.53`	`Daskreech_Elive`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:37.53`	`Daskreech_Elive`	`/dev/hda1 * 1 827 6642846 83 Linux`
`01:37.53`	`Daskreech_Elive`	`/dev/hda2 828 4865 32435235 f W95 Ext'd (LBA)`
`01:37.54`	`Daskreech_Elive`	`/dev/hda5 828 893 530113+ 82 Linux swap / Solaris`
`01:37.54`	`Daskreech_Elive`	`/dev/hda6 894 1026 1068291 b W95 FAT32`
`01:37.54`	`Daskreech_Elive`	`/dev/hda7 1027 1679 5245191 b W95 FAT32`
`01:37.56`	`Daskreech_Elive`	`/dev/hda8 1680 4865 25591513+ b W95 FAT32`
`01:38.23`	`LinuxNIT`	`lol`
`01:38.28`	`LinuxNIT`	`so you drive is a live`
`01:38.38`	`Daskreech_Elive`	`Yeah`
`01:38.48`	`Daskreech_Elive`	`mount /dev/hda1 spits this though`
`01:38.57`	`gnaunited`	`yeah I did, but there are probably more`
`01:39.01`	`Daskreech_Elive`	`mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda1,`
`01:39.01`	`Daskreech_Elive`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:39.01`	`Daskreech_Elive`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:39.01`	`Daskreech_Elive`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:40.28`	`LinuxNIT`	`mount -t auto /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1`
`01:40.33`	`LinuxNIT`	`try that`
`01:40.56`	`gnaunited`	`What version of ndiswrapper is elive using`
`01:41.23`	`LinuxNIT`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:41.55`	`Daskreech_Elive`	`same error`
`01:41.56`	`gnaunited`	`Isn't the newest like 1.10?`
`01:42.06`	`LinuxNIT`	`gnaunited, i dunno`
`01:42.10`	`Daskreech_Elive`	`Its reiserfs if that helps`
`01:42.27`	`LinuxNIT`	`then do -t reiserfs and try again`
`01:42.52`	`LinuxNIT`	`if no go check dmesg \| tail`
`01:43.11`	`Daskreech_Elive`	`:-)`
`01:43.45`	`LinuxNIT`	`that work?`
`01:45.22`	`Daskreech_Elive`	`hda: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }`
`01:45.22`	`Daskreech_Elive`	`hda: dma_intr: error=0x40 { UncorrectableError }, LBAsect=65750, sector=65743`
`01:45.22`	`Daskreech_Elive`	`ide: failed opcode was: unknown`
`01:45.35`	`Daskreech_Elive`	`ReiserFS: hda1: warning: sh-459: unable to read journal header`
`01:45.35`	`LinuxNIT`	`ohhh`
`01:45.35`	`Daskreech_Elive`	`ReiserFS: hda1: warning: sh-2022: reiserfs_fill_super: unable to initialize journal space`
`01:45.53`	`Daskreech_Elive`	`That looks good`
`01:46.03`	`LinuxNIT`	`what happen just before you rebooted and couldnt get into kubuntu?`
`01:46.22`	`LinuxNIT`	`any thing?`
`01:46.37`	`Daskreech_Elive`	`Umm I tried to load the fglrx driver?`
`01:47.10`	`LinuxNIT`	`lmao`
`01:47.58`	`roxville`	`uh-oh...`
`01:48.04`	`LinuxNIT`	`sorry man`
`01:48.13`	`LinuxNIT`	`ohh`
`01:49.01`	`LinuxNIT`	`DaSkreech, i dont know man`
`01:49.02`	`DaSkreech`	`Ok I think The drive is dead :(`
`01:49.03`	`roxville`	`DaSkreech, the ATI drivers WILL be updated VERY soon!`
`01:49.09`	`DaSkreech`	`No It's the drive`
`01:49.13`	`LinuxNIT`	`testdisk MIGHT be ble to help you`
`01:49.13`	`DaSkreech`	`It's not elive`
`01:49.16`	`DaSkreech`	`ok`
`01:49.20`	`roxville`	`ok...`
`01:49.21`	`LinuxNIT`	`i dunno`
`01:49.29`	`LinuxNIT`	`but i gtg`
`01:49.48`	`roxville`	`DaSkreech, i suck at these things... sorry`
`01:50.00`	`DaSkreech`	`:-)`
`01:50.03`	`LinuxNIT`	`if the info is REAL important some places can do like sector by sector reads and recover some stuff`
`01:50.13`	`LinuxNIT`	`google drive recovery`
`01:50.18`	`LinuxNIT`	`those are my only ideas`
`01:50.34`	`LinuxNIT`	`later and good luck all`
`01:50.43`	`roxville`	`bye LinuxNIT seeya later :)`
`01:50.47`	`LinuxNIT`	`later`
`01:50.51`	`DaSkreech`	`ok`
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`02:02.30`	`saad3000`	`guys how Do i make engage transperant?`
`02:04.37`	`DaSkreech`	`Ack`
`02:04.41`	`DaSkreech`	`Gotta head home`
`02:04.45`	`DaSkreech`	`Later`
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`02:22.40`	`Elive_user72`	`hey guys i just finish installing elive 0.4 and i love it!!!!!!!!!!!`
`02:23.01`	`Elive_user72`	`the question that i got is, how do i activate the xscreensaver`
`02:23.17`	`Elive_user72`	`i don't want to do it manually all the time`
`02:23.31`	`Elive_user72`	`at the moment i'm runnning e16`
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`02:24.41`	`Elive_user72`	`this is how i run the screensaver`
`02:24.53`	`Elive_user72`	`xscreensaver -no-splah &`
`02:25.05`	`Elive_user72`	`and it works great!!!`
`02:25.33`	`Elive_user72`	`but i want it to become active as soon as i connect to elive`
`02:26.28`	`Elive_user72`	`any ideas?`
`02:27.46`	`saad3000`	`Elive_user72: check epanel`
`02:27.59`	`saad3000`	`u can pick any screen u want`
`02:28.14`	`Elive_user72`	`epanel????`
`02:28.17`	`saad3000`	`yes`
`02:28.22`	`saad3000`	`look at ur IBAR`
`02:28.23`	`saad3000`	`down`
`02:28.41`	`saad3000`	`u can see a folder with red X`
`02:28.47`	`saad3000`	`a hammer`
`02:28.50`	`saad3000`	`and some shit on it`
`02:28.57`	`Elive_user72`	`you are talking about the conrol panel?`
`02:29.01`	`saad3000`	`yes`
`02:29.05`	`Elive_user72`	`ok`
`02:29.10`	`saad3000`	`go there`
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`02:29.17`	`Elive_user72`	`ok`
`02:29.25`	`Elive_user72`	`i'm there`
`02:29.43`	`saad3000`	`ok`
`02:29.48`	`saad3000`	`goto user configure`
`02:29.53`	`saad3000`	`the middle option`
`02:30.02`	`saad3000`	`and down there u will see SCREEN SAVER`
`02:30.19`	`Elive_user72`	`hell!!!!!! u r great!!!!!`
`02:30.24`	`saad3000`	`nah`
`02:30.26`	`Elive_user72`	`thanks so much!!!!!`
`02:30.31`	`saad3000`	`ELive is great man`
`02:30.33`	`saad3000`	`;>`
`02:30.35`	`saad3000`	`enjoy`
`02:30.40`	`Elive_user72`	`thanks again`
`02:30.43`	`saad3000`	`npz`
`02:30.44`	`Elive_user72`	`got another question`
`02:30.56`	`saad3000`	`hope i can answer it.`
`02:30.57`	`saad3000`	`?`
`02:31.11`	`Elive_user72`	`how do i add a session to the first screen`
`02:31.16`	`Elive_user72`	`i want to add kde`
`02:31.22`	`Elive_user72`	`on the sys`
`02:31.43`	`Elive_user72`	`but i only see e16 and e17`
`02:31.59`	`Elive_user72`	`how do i add kde to entrance?`
`02:33.00`	`Elive_user72`	`ideas?`
`02:33.22`	`saad3000`	`nope`
`02:33.40`	`saad3000`	`sorry.`
`02:33.53`	`Elive_user72`	`i tell you what, i only want to have kde in the sys in case i get stuck in elive`
`02:34.05`	`saad3000`	`startx kde`
`02:34.06`	`saad3000`	`;>`
`02:34.14`	`Elive_user72`	`i'm planning to run elive as much as possible`
`02:34.16`	`saad3000`	`or wait might someone helps`
`02:34.25`	`Elive_user72`	`lol!!!!`
`02:35.00`	`Elive_user72`	`ok, if that is the case, how do i go into text mode instead of gui and how do i start kde from it?`
`02:35.34`	`Elive_user72`	`saad3000, thanks any way for your help!!!`
`02:35.42`	`saad3000`	`its oke man`
`02:35.47`	`saad3000`	`exit enlightenment`
`02:35.58`	`saad3000`	`hit ctrl+alt+f1`
`02:36.01`	`saad3000`	`login`
`02:36.08`	`saad3000`	`kill entrance`
`02:36.12`	`saad3000`	`startx kde`
`02:36.39`	`Elive_user72`	`hang on i'm writting this stuff down`
`02:38.06`	`Elive_user72`	`thanks, i'll give it a try`
`02:38.09`	`saad3000`	`man`
`02:38.17`	`saad3000`	`if you dont know the commands how to kill`
`02:38.26`	`saad3000`	`u wont manager.`
`02:38.28`	`saad3000`	`manage*`
`02:38.57`	`Elive_user72`	`what do u mean by manage*???`
`02:39.03`	`Elive_user72`	`is that a command?`
`02:40.01`	`saad3000`	`no`
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`02:40.24`	`saad3000`	`Elive_user72: you know how to kill entrance?`
`02:40.34`	`Mutacion`	`qiubole raza :)`
`02:40.36`	`Elive_user72`	`no`
`02:40.56`	`Elive_user72`	`i thought u meant ctrl+alt+f1 would do it`
`02:43.16`	`saad3000`	`Elive_user72: this is console mode but if u hit ctrl+alt+f8 for example`
`02:43.20`	`saad3000`	`u get back to entrance`
`02:43.22`	`saad3000`	`right`
`02:43.26`	`saad3000`	`try to kill entrance`
`02:43.42`	`saad3000`	`try to make it black so u can startx kde`
`02:43.53`	`Elive_user72`	`k`
`02:43.59`	`Elive_user72`	`thanks`
`02:44.28`	`saad3000`	`k`
`02:44.37`	`saad3000`	`nighty all`
`02:45.07`	`Elive_user72`	`see u guys!!!`
`02:45.15`	`roxville`	`night :)`
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`02:45.17`	`Elive_user72`	`later!`
`02:45.23`	`roxville`	`yep :)`
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`02:59.42`	`Gryn`	`Does anyone know why the lettering in my terminal displays symbols... and other various font are messed up?`
`03:00.04`	`b1ufox`	`Gryn, did you choose the default lang when installing ?`
`03:00.13`	`Gryn`	`yes.`
`03:00.21`	`Gryn`	`it worked fine off the live c.d.`
`03:00.50`	`b1ufox`	`try changing it to a different english from elpanel and it will work at least for non-root user :)`
`03:01.03`	`b1ufox`	`yes it works off live cd but not on install`
`03:01.21`	`b1ufox`	`it worked for only when i checked indian english ..in rest all it segfaulted :(`
`03:01.26`	`Gryn`	`okay thank you ill try it out`
`03:01.32`	`Gryn`	`haha really?`
`03:01.34`	`Gryn`	`how odd`
`03:01.39`	`b1ufox`	`u are welcome gr8nash`
`03:01.51`	`b1ufox`	`<PROTECTED>`
`03:02.04`	`Gryn`	`Tnx blufox`
`03:02.12`	`b1ufox`	`no prob`
`03:03.15`	`Gryn`	`hm. says i must exit graphical system to apply changes... but i didnt get to make any changes yet`
`03:03.44`	`roxville`	`so... no need to do it then`
`03:03.47`	`roxville`	`:)`
`03:03.52`	`b1ufox`	`lol`
`03:04.10`	`Gryn`	`haha...`
`03:04.19`	`Gryn`	`wish it was that easy`
`03:04.28`	`b1ufox`	`hehehe :)`
`03:04.56`	`roxville`	`it is!`
`03:05.11`	`roxville`	`if you didn't make any changes... no need to restart x`
`03:05.35`	`Gryn`	`well i need to make changes... but it wont allow me`
`03:05.45`	`roxville`	`oh...`
`03:06.47`	`roxville`	`maybe it will... if you restart x... or did you try already?`
`03:07.43`	`Gryn`	`well i didnt get a chance to make any changes...`
`03:08.45`	`b1ufox`	`try restarting Gryn and try again`
`03:09.01`	`Gryn`	`haha restarting is always the answer... well ill try then... ill be back`
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`03:14.02`	`Elive_user`	`No good, still cannot make any changesw`
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`03:15.07`	`b1ufox`	`welcome back Gryn :)`
`03:15.35`	`Gryn`	`Thank you... i still cannot make any changes tho`
`03:15.41`	`roxville`	`hey buckwheat :)`
`03:16.09`	`buckwheat`	`yes`
`03:16.30`	`b1ufox`	`Gryn, try changing it though it asks you to restart`
`03:16.35`	`b1ufox`	`and then restart`
`03:16.41`	`b1ufox`	`may it will help :)`
`03:16.54`	`Gryn`	`i cannot change anything... as soon as i clikc the language icon... i get that message`
`03:17.04`	`Gryn`	`i dont have any option to change a thing`
`03:18.14`	`Thanatermesis`	`Gryn do you use the PRE or the final version ?`
`03:18.40`	`Gryn`	`I thought it was the final verison... but im not sure now... i cant check the site to see if their is another verison.`
`03:19.15`	`b1ufox`	`yes Gryn try the final one ,may b this is what you need to do`
`03:19.23`	`Thanatermesis`	`Gryn do you have the iso file available for check now ?`
`03:19.27`	`b1ufox`	`Thanatermesis, thank you for evidence`
`03:19.39`	`Thanatermesis`	`b1ufox for evidence ?`
`03:19.51`	`Gryn`	`i have the c.d. and i think the iso is on another partiton... lemme check`
`03:20.04`	`b1ufox`	`yes Thanatermesis you involved in it guess , isnt it ?`
`03:20.19`	`Thanatermesis`	`Gryn look your file /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf, show me your "vo=thing" line`
`03:20.25`	`Thanatermesis`	`vo=`
`03:20.45`	`Gryn`	`well the iso says 0.4`
`03:20.55`	`Thanatermesis`	`b1ufox not really... im not a developer of evidence... i just package it... with very work but this is all :)`
`03:21.04`	`Thanatermesis`	`Gryn both says this`
`03:21.12`	`Gryn`	`o.. alright..`
`03:21.45`	`b1ufox`	`still i must thank you for it it has become my fav file explorer... i am looking forward for more development into it :)`
`03:22.23`	`b1ufox`	`Thanatermesis, any idea when will e17 stablise ?`
`03:22.37`	`b1ufox`	`and yes one suggestion please include gdb as default debugger so that people dont have to look for it :)`
`03:23.56`	`Gryn`	`<PROTECTED>`
`03:24.14`	`roxville`	`b1ufox, we are actually waiting for a better one to come along... a few more upgrades to e... and evidence won't work anymore... maybe`
`03:25.25`	`Thanatermesis`	`<b1ufox> Thanatermesis, any idea when will e17 stablise ?`
`03:25.31`	`Thanatermesis`	`don't exist any response for this question`
`03:25.35`	`Thanatermesis`	`no any date are defined`
`03:26.19`	`Thanatermesis`	`Gryn in /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf ... what is the "vo=" of you have ?`
`03:26.34`	`Thanatermesis`	`Gryn vo=x11 or vo=xv,x11 ?`
`03:27.22`	`Gryn`	`sorry... i opene the menu.conf... vo=xv,x11`
`03:27.48`	`b1ufox`	`Thanatermesis, evidence is so cool , please make it work somehow even after upgrades :(`
`03:28.07`	`Thanatermesis`	`Gryn this looks to are the final version... what is your problem ?`
`03:28.26`	`Thanatermesis`	`Gryn can you posible to make a screenshot and put it on http://thana.no-ip.org/upload ?`
`03:29.00`	`Thanatermesis`	`b1ufox i like.. yes... but im not the developer... the developer don't works more on evidence... and if any day is broken, i don't know how to fix it, i don't know the EFL api`
`03:29.04`	`Gryn`	`yeah okay`
`03:29.13`	`Thanatermesis`	`but don't worry, o[WildChild]o fix it ;)`
`03:29.19`	`Thanatermesis`	`hehehe`
`03:29.41`	`o[WildChild]o`	`huh?`
`03:29.59`	`o[WildChild]o`	`oh`
`03:30.00`	`o[WildChild]o`	`hihi`
`03:31.13`	`b1ufox`	`thank god atleast somebody there to fix it`
`03:31.31`	`b1ufox`	`who is the developer for evidence anyway Thanatermesis ? :)`
`03:32.20`	`b1ufox`	`i mean was ...:D`
`03:33.17`	`Thanatermesis`	`b1ufox i don't know :(`
`03:33.34`	`o[WildChild]o`	`just to look to AUTHORS file in the sources :)`
`03:33.43`	`b1ufox`	`shit i need to mail him ... where can i find ?`
`03:33.45`	`o[WildChild]o`	`need to*`
`03:33.55`	`b1ufox`	`ok o[WildChild]o thanks a lot :)`
`03:33.57`	`Gryn`	`what screen shot program does Elive have?`
`03:34.16`	`o[WildChild]o`	`b1ufox: it's nothing :)`
`03:34.34`	`b1ufox`	`:)`
`03:35.40`	`Thanatermesis`	`Gryn try "capturar name" and you have it on /tmp/shots`
`03:36.07`	`Gryn`	`ok`
`03:36.17`	`b1ufox`	`gtg`
`03:36.20`	`b1ufox`	`c ya later`
`03:36.23`	`b1ufox`	`bye`
`03:36.29`	`o[WildChild]o`	`b1ufox: kawaabunga!`
`03:36.31`	`o[WildChild]o`	`xD`
`03:36.52`	`b1ufox`	`what is kawaabunga?`
`03:36.57`	`b1ufox`	`didnt get it :(`
`03:37.15`	`o[WildChild]o`	`there's nothing to get ;)`
`03:37.22`	`o[WildChild]o`	`im just dumb :)`
`03:37.35`	`o[WildChild]o`	`:D`
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`03:38.44`	`innovati`	`roxville, hey!`
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`03:39.05`	`Gryn`	`Ok Thanatermesis, i uploaded it... "one.jpg"`
`03:39.13`	`roxville`	`innovati, hi dude, what;s up?`
`03:39.24`	`roxville`	`:)`
`03:39.25`	`Thanatermesis`	`aahhh`
`03:39.27`	`innovati`	`not much, got 0.4!!`
`03:39.41`	`Thanatermesis`	`Gryn this problem are writed on the BUGS section of hte page of Elive`
`03:39.42`	`o[WildChild]o`	`damn , the website is still down`
`03:39.45`	`innovati`	`Thanatermesis, nice work buddy`
`03:39.46`	`Thanatermesis`	`the page is down actually`
`03:39.57`	`Gryn`	`Well the page has been down... i cant check it out`
`03:40.00`	`roxville`	`awesome, innovati and it's the official, not the pre?`
`03:40.01`	`Thanatermesis`	`Gryn , upgrade the package "langconfg", reconfigure your languages and this is all :)(`
`03:40.02`	`innovati`	`how do I install a GTK themes`
`03:40.07`	`innovati`	`yep`
`03:40.07`	`Thanatermesis`	`thanks innovati`
`03:40.15`	`Thanatermesis`	`innovati apt-cache search gtk2 engine`
`03:40.17`	`Gryn`	`haha okay thank you very much.`
`03:40.52`	`Gryn`	`i did a full upgrade already... ill just search out that single one then`
`03:41.22`	`innovati`	`how do I change themes installed`
`03:41.37`	`innovati`	`doesn't show up in gtk-chtheme`
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`03:44.18`	`roxville`	`innovati, you need to install them first :)`
`03:44.24`	`innovati`	`it chows up in the cahce, but i can't select it in gtk-chthemes`
`03:44.30`	`roxville`	`it's not like the updated 0.3`
`03:44.33`	`innovati`	`roxville, I hate GTK - how do I do that again?`
`03:44.42`	`roxville`	`thana had to take them out to save space`
`03:44.53`	`roxville`	`it's in elpanel`
`03:44.56`	`Gryn`	`Thanatermesis, i already had the langconfg updated... but it wont allow me to reconfigure...`
`03:45.08`	`innovati`	`what's in elpanel? the GTK switcher thing?`
`03:45.13`	`roxville`	`behind the "monitor" with TT on it`
`03:45.19`	`roxville`	`yes`
`03:45.28`	`innovati`	`bvut it doesn't show up there`
`03:45.36`	`Thanatermesis`	`Gryn reconfigure your language via elpanel`
`03:45.48`	`Thanatermesis`	`innovati just try it ;)`
`03:45.50`	`eggman_away`	`rox, how do i make my terminal font normal?`
`03:45.51`	`Gryn`	`i tried.`
`03:45.52`	`innovati`	`I do`
`03:46.02`	`innovati`	`still not there after running that command`
`03:46.31`	`Thanatermesis`	`Gryn and ? you need to exit from the graphical system and re-enter again after to reconfigure the languages`
`03:46.38`	`innovati`	`there are three themes there: industrial, indubstrial and Raleigh`
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`03:46.46`	`innovati`	`none others`
`03:46.47`	`Gryn`	`after i enter in the root password it says IMPORTANT: You need to exit the graphical system`
`03:46.48`	`quidam-`	`Thanatermesis, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2006-February/067465.html`
`03:46.49`	`roxville`	`eggman_away, sorry dude... try to reconfigure you language... change to british english and then back`
`03:46.50`	`Thanatermesis`	`eggman_away if you wait 5 minuts... im just finishing to write this next feature for elpanel ;)`
`03:46.51`	`quidam-`	`:-S`
`03:47.10`	`Gryn`	`I get no chance to make any changes Thenetermesis`
`03:47.11`	`roxville`	`egg thana is gonna make a terminal config for elpanel`
`03:47.11`	`Thanatermesis`	`innovati install gtk themes then: apt-cache search gtk2 engine`
`03:47.17`	`roxville`	`it'll be out soon`
`03:47.18`	`innovati`	`Thanatermesis, wow, look at you - making amazing software as we speak`
`03:47.40`	`Thanatermesis`	`oh`
`03:47.56`	`Thanatermesis`	`hehe, this is the idea innovati ;)`
`03:48.07`	`Thanatermesis`	`make a complete system easy to use`
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`03:48.13`	`innovati`	`roxville, how do I install the gtk themes - they show up under apt-cache search gtk2 engine`
`03:48.13`	`innovati`	`, but not in the gtk themes switcher`
`03:48.28`	`innovati`	`roxville, how do I install them then?`
`03:48.37`	`Thanatermesis`	`innovati this is the package names... select one and apt-get install name`
`03:48.43`	`innovati`	`oh!`
`03:48.44`	`innovati`	`okay`
`03:48.49`	`roxville`	`innovati, behing the "keys" in elpanel... choose synaptic`
`03:48.58`	`roxville`	`click "reload"`
`03:49.06`	`Thanatermesis`	`innovati apt-get install gtk2-engines*`
`03:49.12`	`roxville`	`and then scroll down to section "elive"`
`03:49.18`	`Thanatermesis`	`but if you are on the liveCD i don't recomends to you lost all your RAM on this...`
`03:49.40`	`roxville`	`innovati, you didn't install yet?`
`03:49.44`	`innovati`	`roxville, now it makes sense to me`
`03:50.05`	`quidam-`	`Thanatermesis, http://www.networkworld.com/community/?q=node/4630`
`03:50.16`	`quidam-`	`otro momento glorioso de wincaca xDDDD`
`03:50.19`	`innovati`	`Thanatermesis, I'm running live, and I couldn't do a 'locate' is that normal or is something funny there?`
`03:50.21`	`quidam-`	`y captado en video :P`
`03:50.24`	`Thanatermesis`	`yes quidam- ... i have look about this`
`03:50.57`	`Thanatermesis`	`https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2006-February/067468.html`
`03:50.58`	`Thanatermesis`	`lol`
`03:51.19`	`Thanatermesis`	`innovati you need to install it.. after a little time it are updated automatically`
`03:51.26`	`quidam-`	`dudo mucho que lleguen a la calidad de elive xD`
`03:51.34`	`Gryn`	`haha yeah i saw the new ubuntu they call it Ebuntu`
`03:51.47`	`Thanatermesis`	`https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2006-February/067470.html <--- lol x2 xDDDD`
`03:52.29`	`Thanatermesis`	`quidam- a la calidad nose... pero espero que no confundan demasiado a la gente... si te fijas en su wiki se anuncian como "la unica solucion existente en el mundo de usar e17 en linux" ¬¬'`
`03:53.06`	`quidam-`	`Thanatermesis, tiempo de crear una campaña publicitaria de elive :D`
`03:53.20`	`quidam-`	`quizas un par de posts en unos cuantos blogs`
`03:53.25`	`Thanatermesis`	`quidam- jejeje, no lo dudes... ya habra tiempo para eso, no te preocupes que lo tengo todo bien planeado ;)`
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`03:53.32`	`quidam-`	`:D`
`03:53.41`	`Thanatermesis`	`tengo reservadas aun muchas sorpresas ;)`
`03:53.47`	`roxville`	`PPL, PLEASE GIVA THANA SOME TIME TO FINISH WHAT HE IS WORKING ON!`
`03:53.51`	`Thanatermesis`	`mas de lo que se pueda esperar xD`
`03:53.53`	`roxville`	`please?`
`03:53.55`	`Thanatermesis`	`lol`
`03:54.01`	`quidam-`	`xP`
`03:54.09`	`roxville`	`hi quidam- :)`
`03:54.42`	`Mutacion`	`ese rox`
`03:54.44`	`Mutacion`	`ese quidam-`
`03:54.45`	`Mutacion`	`ese thaan`
`03:54.53`	`Mutacion`	`holitaz :P ayo0.. (busy homeworkl)`
`03:55.06`	`quidam-`	`Mutacion, holas :D`
`03:55.12`	`quidam-`	`roxville, hola :)`
`03:56.10`	`roxville`	`yo Mutacion :)`
`03:56.28`	`Mutacion`	`yo?`
`03:56.29`	`Mutacion`	`no no`
`03:56.35`	`Mutacion`	`yo ser mutacion, tu ser rox :P`
`03:56.52`	`roxville`	`holas hambritas Mutacion !!`
`03:57.03`	`Mutacion`	`sips.. pero mas tarde.. mas tarde..`
`03:57.50`	`Drex99`	`tres hombres/ ZZTop`
`03:58.01`	`roxville`	`Drex99, YEAH!!`
`03:58.08`	`Drex99`	`Rio Grande Mud / ZZtop`
`03:58.27`	`Drex99`	`thats all the spanish I know. sorry.`
`03:58.47`	`roxville`	`"have mercy..... been waiting for the bus all day..."`
`03:59.06`	`Drex99`	`Lol`
`03:59.28`	`Drex99`	`la grange. they gotta lotta nice girls down there.`
`03:59.34`	`eggman`	`whats the difference between clock and tclock?`
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`04:00.03`	`Gryn`	`Thanatermesis: Why cant i change the the language?`
`04:00.05`	`roxville`	`eggman, tclock is a digital clock`
`04:00.08`	`roxville`	`i love it`
`04:00.39`	`Thanatermesis`	`Gryn i don't know... why you can't ?`
`04:00.40`	`eggman`	`whats emu ?`
`04:00.54`	`Thanatermesis`	`Gryn you don't have any language for select in the menu ?`
`04:00.55`	`Drex99`	`Is there a worm im Beer?`
`04:01.07`	`roxville`	`eggman, i'm not sure... and i don't think it's really useful yet`
`04:01.17`	`roxville`	`but the icon is kinda cute`
`04:01.22`	`Gryn`	`as soon as i click the icon... i enter the root password... and right away it says to exit graphical system`
`04:01.34`	`roxville`	`it causes some segfaults though, so be warned`
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`04:02.02`	`roxville`	`Gryn, :gksudo elpanel`
`04:02.24`	`roxville`	`Drex99, if you want...`
`04:02.33`	`Elive_user45`	`What happened to elivecd.org? Did the domain expire or something?`
`04:02.45`	`Drex99`	`thanks roxville`
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`04:02.54`	`Thanatermesis`	`Gryn root password ? you are sure ? no user password ?`
`04:03.06`	`Gryn`	`yeah user password..`
`04:03.17`	`Thanatermesis`	`root password you need to enter`
`04:03.24`	`Gryn`	`as soon as i enter my password it says to exit graphical`
`04:04.06`	`Gryn`	`roxville... terminal is screwed up for me`
`04:04.08`	`Thanatermesis`	`GruunK try this: gksu "zenity --info --text='this is a test' "`
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`04:04.41`	`Thanatermesis`	`ugh... your terminal is bad...`
`04:04.53`	`Thanatermesis`	`Gryn by root user, launch langconf`
`04:05.23`	`Gryn`	`ah... thank you that works alright.`
`04:05.38`	`Gryn`	`should i choose a different english language then?`
`04:05.48`	`Thanatermesis`	`yes, don't chose the first option`
`04:05.53`	`Gryn`	`ok`
`04:06.18`	`Gryn`	`now i should restart then correct?`
`04:06.23`	`Thanatermesis`	`yes, exit from X`
`04:06.30`	`Gryn`	`ok ill brb`
`04:06.52`	`Elive_user45`	`Elive 0.4 looks good, Thanatermesis. Great job! :)`
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`04:06.59`	`Thanatermesis`	`thanks Elive_user45 :)`
`04:07.10`	`Elive_user`	`Ok... thank you very much`
`04:07.29`	`Gryn`	`Thanks Thanatermesis`
`04:08.17`	`roxville`	`lol`
`04:08.19`	`roxville`	`Gryn,`
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`04:08.53`	`Thanatermesis`	`lol`
`04:08.55`	`Gryn`	`haha`
`04:10.39`	`Gryn`	`How can i Set Tclock to display 12 hour instead of 24?`
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`04:35.16`	`Strider`	`howdy howdy`
`04:41.40`	`o[WildChild]o`	`kawabunga :)`
`04:41.55`	`o[WildChild]o`	`damn , I'm started on "kawabunga" thing`
`04:41.59`	`o[WildChild]o`	`I can't stop :\|`
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`04:50.49`	`Gryn`	`does anyone know why the Elive website is down?`
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`04:53.47`	`roxville`	`the server is down`
`04:54.04`	`Elive_user48`	`really?`
`04:54.08`	`Gryn`	`okay..`
`04:54.10`	`roxville`	`yes`
`04:54.19`	`Elive_user48`	`then what am I typing into?`
`04:54.45`	`Gryn`	`well roxville, do u kno how to change tclock to 12 hours instead of 24?`
`04:54.56`	`roxville`	`no`
`04:55.01`	`Gryn`	`damn.`
`04:55.14`	`roxville`	`i like 24h, so..i never checked... sorry`
`04:55.27`	`Gryn`	`it's ok... im just used to 12 hour.`
`04:55.43`	`Gryn`	`it seems kinda hard to customize Elive.`
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`04:59.26`	`Thanatermesis`	`who like's to change the size of the fonts in the terminal ?`
`04:59.35`	`o[WildChild]o`	`me :)`
`04:59.41`	`Thanatermesis`	`hehehe`
`04:59.44`	`Thanatermesis`	`do you are in Elive ?`
`04:59.45`	`Strider`	`I know how..`
`04:59.46`	`o[WildChild]o`	`^^`
`05:00.33`	`Thanatermesis`	`because this pakcage is prepaired for work with the Elive configurations o[WildChild]o`
`05:00.37`	`Strider`	`Xdefault in`
`05:00.50`	`Thanatermesis`	`Strider im just have writed a new feature for elpanel ;)`
`05:00.55`	`Thanatermesis`	`do you like to try it ?`
`05:00.57`	`Strider`	`ok`
`05:00.58`	`o[WildChild]o`	`Thanatermesis: I know :)`
`05:00.59`	`Strider`	`yes`
`05:01.10`	`Thanatermesis`	`ok.. one second.. i finish to package it...`
`05:01.27`	`Strider`	`panting with anticipation`
`05:04.06`	`o[WildChild]o`	`Thanatermesis: im downloading elive and I'll see that by qemu :)`
`05:05.37`	`Thanatermesis`	`good o[WildChild]o :)`
`05:05.58`	`o[WildChild]o`	`^^`
`05:07.01`	`Strider`	`Thanatermesis, you like to see an awesome elive desktop?`
`05:07.58`	`Thanatermesis`	`Strider yeah, send it to http://thana.no-ip.org/upload ;)`
`05:08.03`	`Strider`	`ok`
`05:08.11`	`Thanatermesis`	`ok Strider, apt-get update ; apt-get install terminal-manager`
`05:08.27`	`Thanatermesis`	`and then, with your user, launch "terminal-manager"`
`05:09.01`	`Thanatermesis`	`if you found any bug on it... send me the message in a private conversation (you need your nickname registered for this), because im go to the bed now.. i read it tomorrow`
`05:10.56`	`Thanatermesis`	`ok... this is all for today... good night all :)`
`05:11.39`	`Strider`	`Thanatermesis, it is up`
`05:12.12`	`Thanatermesis`	`'s Desk ?`
`05:12.20`	`Strider`	`yes cut the name`
`05:12.39`	`Thanatermesis`	`yes... its beautiful :)`
`05:12.49`	`Strider`	`sweet`
`05:12.57`	`Strider`	`gnight Thanatermesis`
`05:13.05`	`Strider`	`sleep well`
`05:13.06`	`Thanatermesis`	`do you have tried the backgrounds manager for e17 in elpanel ? it has a lot of features ;)`
`05:13.10`	`Thanatermesis`	`good night'`
`05:13.17`	`Strider`	`yes.`
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`05:43.03`	`Strider`	`ThanaZzzz, ?`
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`05:49.17`	`Strider`	`hi`
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`05:52.27`	`b1ufox`	`apt: tcpdump`
`05:52.28`	`apt`	`A tool for network monitoring and data acquisition. URL: ftp://ftp.ee.lbl.gov/`
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`06:58.56`	`Gryn`	`does anyone have an idea when the Elive sire will be back up?`
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`07:11.24`	`GPLGeek`	`so I spend 27 hours on assembly programming and then i turn in the assignment and the online college sees it as a virus and deletes it`
`07:11.52`	`GPLGeek`	`so aparently I accidently made a virus instead of a data manipulation tool.`
`07:12.04`	`GPLGeek`	`=)`
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`07:12.18`	`LinuxNIT-`	`dang`
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`07:12.45`	`GPLGeek`	`it would not even run on x86 but it saw it as a virus some virus scanners are overly protective`
`07:13.23`	`LinuxNIT-`	`hehe i ran a virus scan in linux once just for the heck of it........`
`07:13.42`	`LinuxNIT-`	`if found .exe files in .wine and said they were viruses`
`07:13.44`	`LinuxNIT-`	`lmao`
`07:13.50`	`GPLGeek`	`haha`
`07:13.55`	`LinuxNIT-`	`if= it`
`07:14.06`	`GPLGeek`	`did you install IE5?`
`07:14.14`	`GPLGeek`	`or did you just use activex controls`
`07:14.36`	`LinuxNIT-`	`i think ie5 i dunno let me check lol`
`07:15.13`	`GPLGeek`	`IE5 is not as secure as a ricepaper door`
`07:16.08`	`LinuxNIT-`	`yeah its installed in wine but i dont care if its unsecure i dont use it lol`
`07:16.25`	`LinuxNIT-`	`i think ihad to unstall it`
`07:16.33`	`LinuxNIT-`	`*install`
`07:16.52`	`LinuxNIT-`	`btw that is not in elive`
`07:17.47`	`GPLGeek`	`I have had 2 open source projects and 5 assignments in c++ or assembly be recognised as a virus`
`07:17.52`	`GPLGeek`	`would you like to konw why?`
`07:18.02`	`LinuxNIT-`	`sure`
`07:18.49`	`GPLGeek`	`my programs were small and did specific things that programs do not normally do on their own, they call a well-known library for the kind of functions`
`07:19.08`	`GPLGeek`	`if a few blocks of the functions look like a function in a virus the virus scanner may see it as one`
`07:19.25`	`LinuxNIT-`	`sucks`
`07:19.30`	`GPLGeek`	`now its more complex than that, but that's the easy way to understand it`
`07:19.49`	`GPLGeek`	`I dont care, I use clamwin/clamav on every system`
`07:19.53`	`GPLGeek`	`it's never wrong`
`07:19.59`	`LinuxNIT-`	`:)`
`07:20.07`	`LinuxNIT-`	`you ever use avg ?`
`07:20.17`	`GPLGeek`	`Mainly norton and mcaffe make errors`
`07:20.22`	`GPLGeek`	`AVG is not bad`
`07:20.38`	`LinuxNIT-`	`you think clamwin is better?`
`07:20.44`	`GPLGeek`	`AVG+Kerio is 55$ and is really secure but I dont need that security since I'm a power user`
`07:20.53`	`GPLGeek`	`I have glue for firefox and clamwin`
`07:20.57`	`GPLGeek`	`so anything I download is scanned`
`07:20.59`	`GPLGeek`	`and its fast`
`07:21.12`	`LinuxNIT-`	`glue?`
`07:21.45`	`GPLGeek`	`Its an extension that forwards the path of everything downloaded to clamwin to be scanned (on my windows boxen)`
`07:22.32`	`GPLGeek`	`on my linux box I serve some apps that I do not maintain so they get scanned every now and then.`
`07:22.37`	`LinuxNIT-`	`hmm glue sounds nice`
`07:22.48`	`LinuxNIT-`	`does it work for avg?`
`07:23.13`	`GPLGeek`	`I would not use AVG myself but I'm sure you could get it to work for it`
`07:23.23`	`GPLGeek`	`AVG does have a CLI utils`
`07:23.49`	`LinuxNIT-`	`hmm`
`07:24.19`	`LinuxNIT-`	`i might check clamwin glue combo.(family needs windows security not me lol)`
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`07:24.47`	`GPLGeek`	`glue+firefox+clamwin+adblock > all`
`07:24.54`	`GPLGeek`	`you do not want to lose speed`
`07:25.02`	`GPLGeek`	`all you want is to be secure`
`07:25.04`	`GPLGeek`	`dont go overboard`
`07:25.25`	`LinuxNIT-`	`yeah`
`07:25.43`	`GPLGeek`	`my mother is smart on the computer`
`07:25.47`	`LinuxNIT-`	`atm they have firefox or opera and avg`
`07:25.49`	`GPLGeek`	`she only does her banking on a livecd`
`07:25.58`	`LinuxNIT-`	`wow`
`07:26.11`	`LinuxNIT-`	`thats playing it really safe :)`
`07:26.16`	`GPLGeek`	`she uses damnsmalllinux, she likes fluxbox`
`07:26.45`	`GPLGeek`	`I do my online banking in vmware`
`07:26.52`	`GPLGeek`	`on my linux box`
`07:27.11`	`LinuxNIT-`	`have you tried many dif distros?`
`07:27.27`	`GPLGeek`	`222MB secure encrypted portable solution`
`07:27.37`	`GPLGeek`	`I have tried most distors that exist`
`07:27.50`	`LinuxNIT-`	`i have a noob thinking of using linux on a older pc. so i want noob friendly but good on a slower pc`
`07:28.08`	`GPLGeek`	`even bsd and menuetos and solaris. windows xx, everything that runs on a computer`
`07:28.50`	`GPLGeek`	`I have a friend who is going to buy a 4000$ system and wants me to put linux on it because he can not stand windows.`
`07:28.51`	`LinuxNIT-`	`lol`
`07:28.55`	`GPLGeek`	`for gaming`
`07:29.00`	`LinuxNIT-`	`bsd nearly killed my hd :)`
`07:29.10`	`GPLGeek`	`and hes clan material, linux is getting to the gamers.`
`07:29.12`	`LinuxNIT-`	`wow`
`07:29.27`	`GPLGeek`	`linuxNIT, killed your hd?`
`07:29.31`	`GPLGeek`	`how so`
`07:30.20`	`LinuxNIT-`	`allmost`
`07:30.37`	`LinuxNIT-`	`the install froze and when i rebooted i had a invalid boot sector`
`07:30.42`	`GPLGeek`	`List of distors I have tried includes a few wild cards lol.... like *`
`07:30.42`	`LinuxNIT-`	`took forever to fix`
`07:31.05`	`GPLGeek`	`Dragonfly bsd was interesting`
`07:31.13`	`LinuxNIT-`	`tried just instalin another linux to it but it failed to install boot laoder`
`07:31.18`	`GPLGeek`	`they had a recovery cd too`
`07:31.23`	`GPLGeek`	`and a forensics mod`
`07:31.52`	`LinuxNIT-`	`eventually used a grub boot cd to boot a already installed debian and installed grub from there`
`07:31.55`	`LinuxNIT-`	`that worked`
`07:32.30`	`GPLGeek`	`you could inst_fast 911 and it would install a web-based environment to have multiple computers study the computer you were trying to get info out of.`
`07:32.46`	`GPLGeek`	`but it was too complex`
`07:33.39`	`LinuxNIT-`	`wow`
`07:33.40`	`LinuxNIT-`	`nice`
`07:33.45`	`wasynyt`	`morning`
`07:34.04`	`GPLGeek`	`these days just install a base debian, and a very few packages and then just apt-get autopsy forensic browser`
`07:34.17`	`GPLGeek`	`its easy`
`07:35.15`	`GPLGeek`	`http://www.sleuthkit.org/autopsy/desc.php`
`07:35.47`	`LinuxNIT-`	`:)`
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`07:39.46`	`GPLGeek`	`http://ubcd.sourceforge.net/download.html`
`07:39.49`	`GPLGeek`	`that's it`
`07:39.59`	`GPLGeek`	`somone here needed a boot cd to fix their mbr the other day`
`07:40.03`	`GPLGeek`	`forgot who it was`
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`07:42.16`	`GPLGeek`	`g4u is nice`
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`08:32.08`	`RubenHaugan\|Work`	`Is it always this silent here this early CET?`
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`08:35.23`	`yawlright`	`apt quiet`
`08:35.27`	`apt`	`ACTION ok, ok, I will be quiet. When you start making sense, that is.`
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`09:27.04`	`wasynyt_`	`could anyone help me with my dvd drive`
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`10:19.00`	`Stc`	`hello`
`10:19.09`	`wasynyt_`	`hello`
`10:19.27`	`Stc`	`elivecd.org is down ? ;\`
`10:19.42`	`wasynyt_`	`is it`
`10:20.09`	`Stc`	`why?`
`10:20.29`	`wasynyt_`	`dont have a clue.. i am no ta maintainer`
`10:22.11`	`wasynyt_`	`perhaps they are updating it`
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`12:18.43`	`RubenHaugan\|Work`	`Mornin' roxville:-)`
`12:19.01`	`roxville`	`morrn morrn RubenHaugan\|Work :)`
`12:19.16`	`RubenHaugan\|Work`	`;-p`
`12:19.43`	`RubenHaugan\|Work`	`Vär bor du över i USA?`
`12:22.37`	`roxville`	`i charleston, south carolina`
`12:22.49`	`roxville`	`east coast`
`12:24.11`	`roxville`	`vid kusten`
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`12:26.23`	`roxville`	`sydstat, norr om georgia och florida... det finns palm-träd här också... INTE in-planterade`
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`12:28.20`	`roxville`	`yep :)`
`12:28.30`	`roxville`	`akkurat!`
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`14:23.58`	`Enlighted`	`nass`
`14:32.57`	`Mutacion`	`nas`
`14:40.14`	`Enlighted`	`ayuda plz`
`14:40.15`	`*** mode/#elive [+o Thanatermesis] by ChanServ`
`14:40.25`	`Enlighted`	`Thanatermesis, allllluda! XD`
`14:40.27`	`*** topic/#elive by Thanatermesis -> Need Help? http://elivecd.org/gb/Help/Help \|\| Open your mind with elive-essence: "xmms http://64.236.34.4:80/stream/1035" \|\| Check #e #e.fr #e.es #e.de #e.it Enlightenment channels \|\| If you like to help SEEDING the torrent http://thana.no-ip.org/trac/wiki/EliveRelease \|\| DON'T USE PRE VERSION \|\| elivecd.org is down... please don't cry :)`
`14:41.02`	`Enlighted`	`quiero instalar el elive 0.4 en el disco duro, pero no se exactamente como hacer las particiones de forma ideal..`
`14:41.43`	`Enlighted`	`(nota pa una futura feature: que el particionador te de una opcion para que te lo particione bien solito`
`14:41.46`	`Enlighted`	`xD`
`14:42.28`	`Thanatermesis`	`Enlighted de cuanto espacio es tu disco ? cuanto tienes libre para elive ?`
`14:42.54`	`Enlighted`	`80 gbs, y todo`
`14:43.42`	`Enlighted`	`por cierto, el mplayer da error de LIRC al cerrar`
`14:43.46`	`Enlighted`	`:P`
`14:44.00`	`Thanatermesis`	`pues metele 1 gb de swap, 10 de /, y el resto pal home ;)`
`14:44.20`	`Thanatermesis`	`un error de lirc ? :/ ni idea, no e visto eso`
`14:44.29`	`Enlighted`	`oka...y cada cual k tipo de particion es? (primaria/loggica/extendida)?`
`14:44.48`	`Enlighted`	`pozi, espera, a ver si puedo pegartelo`
`14:44.53`	`Thanatermesis`	`eso no importa, ponlo como veas mejor ;)`
`14:45.03`	`Enlighted`	`seguro k no importa? XD`
`14:45.33`	`Thanatermesis`	`nah`
`14:47.05`	`Enlighted`	`pos todos como primarias`
`14:47.08`	`Enlighted`	`:P`
`14:47.49`	`Enlighted`	`oye`
`14:48.02`	`Enlighted`	`antes los iconos del ibar e ibox los podia redimensionar`
`14:48.12`	`Enlighted`	`ahora esa opcion ha desaparecido, pq? :_(`
`14:48.23`	`Thanatermesis`	`espera que terminen e17 ;)`
`14:48.34`	`Enlighted`	`pero si con elive 0.3 podia!!`
`14:48.35`	`Enlighted`	`XD`
`14:48.57`	`Thanatermesis`	`yoquese, yo no uso e17 xD`
`14:49.09`	`Enlighted`	`jobarr`
`14:50.35`	`Enlighted`	`el instalador habria k pulirlo un pelin....me pide hacer un formateo 2 veces`
`14:50.43`	`Enlighted`	`digo yo k una de las 2 veces sobrará`
`14:50.44`	`Enlighted`	`XD`
`14:57.37`	`Thanatermesis`	`2 veces ? no es posible`
`14:57.45`	`Thanatermesis`	`para la misma particion ? no puede ser`
`14:58.42`	`blizzard_`	`Thana: btw, how does e17 interact with resolution?`
`14:58.45`	`blizzard_`	`in what way?`
`14:59.00`	`blizzard_`	`something is fucking up my xmergefb`
`14:59.41`	`Enlighted`	`Thanatermesis, uno en el particionador, y luego cuando me pregunta donde quiero instalar el elive, y en la seleccion del home`
`14:59.47`	`Thanatermesis`	`blizzard_ i don't know`
`14:59.53`	`Thanatermesis`	`i use the old way :)`
`15:00.03`	`Enlighted`	`que me dice: quieres instalar el elive en blabla? tus datos seran borrados`
`15:00.07`	`Enlighted`	`:P`
`15:00.24`	`Thanatermesis`	`Enlighted no, el particionador crea las particiones, y el instalador te lo formatea`
`15:00.36`	`Enlighted`	`am`
`15:00.40`	`Enlighted`	`trabajo en equipo`
`15:00.43`	`Enlighted`	`XD`
`15:00.47`	`Enlighted`	`pos k lio`
`15:01.01`	`Thanatermesis`	`lio ?`
`15:01.11`	`Thanatermesis`	`no creo que haya ningun instalador de linux mas facil que ese xD`
`15:01.36`	`Enlighted`	`todos son faciles ;)`
`15:01.52`	`Enlighted`	`y si`
`15:01.58`	`Enlighted`	`mas facil k este los hay`
`15:02.02`	`Enlighted`	`lo siento XD`
`15:02.35`	`Thanatermesis`	`Enlighted bueno... no esta mal para haberlo hecho yo mismo xD`
`15:02.40`	`Enlighted`	`sobre todo por el asunto de las particiones, en ubuntu o mandriva le das al boton de "asignacion automatica" y ya stan hechas`
`15:02.50`	`Enlighted`	`es en eso en lo k mas falla en mi opinion`
`15:02.58`	`Enlighted`	`hombre, estar mal no lo esta XD`
`15:03.12`	`Enlighted`	`solo k ese tema es el k lo veo algo mas...flojillo`
`15:07.46`	`Thanatermesis`	`ya se hara algo mejor ;)`
`15:08.27`	`Enlighted`	`tampoco quiero presionarte xD`
`15:08.28`	`eggman`	`Thana, where can I find the Download non-free wallpapers script ?`
`15:09.35`	`Thanatermesis`	`eggman on /usr/local/bin i think`
`15:09.48`	`Thanatermesis`	`do you like it ? :)`
`15:10.02`	`eggman`	`yes`
`15:10.19`	`eggman`	`and i want the backrounds for my windows desktop too :D`
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`15:12.40`	`Thanatermesis`	`eggman your backgrounds donwloaded are on .e16/backgrounds`
`15:13.52`	`eggman`	`oh ok`
`15:13.59`	`eggman`	`thanks for the help`
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`15:21.58`	`Enlighted`	`rep`
`15:24.06`	`Enlighted`	`grrr...firefox 1.0.7...`
`15:24.11`	`Enlighted`	`a actualizarlo toca :P`
`15:24.22`	`Thanatermesis`	`si quieres un firefox inestable... xD`
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`15:25.09`	`Enlighted`	`la ultima version estable es la 1.5`
`15:25.16`	`Enlighted`	`de hace siglos`
`15:25.18`	`Enlighted`	`XD`
`15:25.39`	`Enlighted`	`creo k han salido hasta un par de subversiones y to`
`15:26.58`	`Thanatermesis`	`hasta que no entre en sarge no lo meto :P`
`15:27.03`	`Thanatermesis`	`y esta inestable`
`15:27.42`	`sinplomo`	`ostias ... un Enlighted !`
`15:27.44`	`sinplomo`	`xD`
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`15:30.08`	`Enlighted`	`sinplomo, nas marroquicito`
`15:30.10`	`Enlighted`	`XD`
`15:30.15`	`Enlighted`	`he werto :P`
`15:30.20`	`kender`	`hello`
`15:33.27`	`Thanatermesis`	`o_O`
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`15:53.02`	`dererk`	`apt dererk`
`15:53.04`	`apt`	`methinks dererk is the Biggest SouthAmerica Elive Promoter and a big Control-L IRC addict (ROTFL)`
`15:53.38`	`dererk`	`apt, no, dererk is the man with more OS troubles, the Biggest SouthAmerica Elive Promoter and a big Control-L IRC addict (ROTFL)`
`15:53.40`	`apt`	`okay, dererk`
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`16:08.01`	`gr8nash`	`morning`
`16:09.16`	`Gwildor`	`mornin`
`16:09.51`	`sinplomo`	`dererk, que es un Elive Promoter ? xD`
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`17:26.49`	`dererk`	`apt, tell roxville about LAB`
`17:27.04`	`dererk`	`apt, nice bot`
`17:27.05`	`apt`	`ACTION lowers bot's priority`
`17:27.12`	`roxville`	`lol`
`17:27.16`	`dererk`	`apt, good bot`
`17:27.16`	`apt`	`thanks, dererk`
`17:37.02`	`roxville`	`and... here's one to show transp better :)`
`17:37.06`	`roxville`	`http://roxville.no-ip.org/public_html/Themes_And_Icons/terminal-settings-e.png`
`17:37.33`	`Gwildor`	`brbf`
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`17:59.57`	`Strider`	`Thanatermesis, that terminal manager is not working at all for me...says "cat: /tmp/.fonts-menu: No such file or directory"`
`18:00.27`	`Thanatermesis`	`Strider do you have tested it with another users ?`
`18:00.52`	`Strider`	`I tried with my user and root`
`18:01.25`	`Strider`	`only 2 users on my machine...me and root`
`18:01.35`	`Thanatermesis`	`do you use root for X ?`
`18:01.52`	`Strider`	`no...`
`18:02.16`	`Strider`	`only for su mode... I guess root is X`
`18:05.39`	`Strider`	`I don't generally run X under root, only for su priveleges when needed, but as a policy I do not use my X under root...too dangerous`
`18:07.13`	`Thanatermesis`	`mmmh...`
`18:09.39`	`Strider`	`should there be a hidden .file in /tmp for configuring the terminal then?`
`18:09.45`	`Thanatermesis`	`ok Strider, its fixed... upgrade the package`
`18:09.51`	`Strider`	`ok`
`18:09.53`	`Gwildor`	`hehe,....SUPER THANA`
`18:10.00`	`Thanatermesis`	`:)`
`18:11.40`	`Strider`	`it works now!!!`
`18:11.50`	`Strider`	`:)`
`18:12.08`	`Strider`	`Thanatermesis, I'm you tester helper LOL`
`18:12.16`	`Thanatermesis`	`hehe`
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`18:16.17`	`Strider`	`man...the terminal can look sweet now...very good`
`18:17.08`	`Thanatermesis`	`good tool, eh ? ;)`
`18:17.22`	`Strider`	`I wanted to use engage in 17, but it is very strange behaving for me...gives me a big green question mark whenever I open something else`
`18:17.48`	`Gwildor`	`what about ibar?`
`18:17.58`	`Strider`	`the engage manager doesn't see everything entangle does...`
`18:18.12`	`Strider`	`the ibar is fine...but engage is buggy`
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`18:19.17`	`Strider`	`I add something to engage in entangle and the engage-manager doesn't see the addition, even after reloading enlightenment`
`18:19.57`	`Thanatermesis`	`maybe not is very developed... i don't know`
`18:20.15`	`Strider`	`also in 17, engage cannot go transparent with zoom enabled`
`18:20.47`	`Strider`	`in 16, engage doesnt behave the same`
`18:21.00`	`Thanatermesis`	`its a diferent thing`
`18:22.07`	`Strider`	`I'm not complaining...I'm just explaining what frustrations other users may be experiencing...`
`18:22.40`	`Thanatermesis`	`hehehe`
`18:22.44`	`Thanatermesis`	`i understand...`
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`18:22.50`	`Thanatermesis`	`but what i can posible to make ?`
`18:22.54`	`Thanatermesis`	`im not the developer of engage`
`18:23.13`	`Strider`	`I'm satisfied with ibar, but others may get alot of frustration with engage...maybe better to remove unworking modules from elive configurator`
`18:23.57`	`Thanatermesis`	`maybe`
`18:24.02`	`Strider`	`find out what works and stay with that...half baked goods in the distro can cause bad taste to some`
`18:24.57`	`Gwildor`	`very bad taste...`
`18:25.09`	`Strider`	`most users (used to kde , Ubuntu, SUse, Mandrake etc) have no patience with half developed parts of distros`
`18:25.31`	`Thanatermesis`	`another modules not works correctly ?`
`18:25.45`	`Strider`	`about 5 dont work`
`18:26.05`	`Strider`	`or work partially at best`
`18:26.59`	`Strider`	`tclock works with no 12 hour function...clock doesnt work at all in some of the themes...`
`18:26.59`	`Thanatermesis`	`mmmh`
`18:27.29`	`Thanatermesis`	`not is a bad idea to remove the "extra modules" (non-official E modules) by default on elive... and just give it via apt-get...`
`18:27.59`	`Strider`	`yes...`
`18:28.46`	`Strider`	`now you are thinking well...you are smart man...I know you don't mind developing as you go, but elive will not get popularity that way`
`18:29.15`	`Strider`	`most noobs will choke with one thing not working`
`18:29.32`	`Gwildor`	`specially coming from windows land`
`18:29.38`	`Strider`	`yes...`
`18:30.05`	`Strider`	`find out what works well and stick with that until you make other things work too`
`18:30.11`	`Strider`	`build on success`
`18:30.26`	`Thanatermesis`	`:)`
`18:30.35`	`Strider`	`:)`
`18:30.38`	`Gwildor`	`:)`
`18:30.41`	`Gwildor`	`:P`
`18:30.46`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt :)`
`18:30.53`	`apt`	`(:`
`18:30.53`	`Strider`	`+B)`
`18:30.55`	`Thanatermesis`	`xD`
`18:31.08`	`Gwildor`	`8D`
`18:33.12`	`Strider`	`you need a some of your development helpers to find the things that are somewhat broken and frustrating...then decide if it may not be better to shit-can those things until they are fixed...and elive needs a wiki that is detailed and easy to understand (like Ubuntu wiki).`
`18:33.39`	`Gwildor`	`yes, i would love to offer support on the e-live wiki....but its tuff to follow`
`18:33.43`	`Thanatermesis`	`http://wiki.elivecd.org`
`18:34.18`	`Strider`	`the elive wiki now seems scattered and unorganized... sorry, my opinion...`
`18:35.24`	`Strider`	`and right now, the wiki is down... >:\|`
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`18:36.36`	`Strider`	`I told friend about the wonders of elive and couldn't get them seriously insterested in it because the documentation was too hard to follow...`
`18:36.49`	`Schamane`	`MOIN`
`18:36.56`	`Strider`	`hihi`
`18:37.35`	`Schamane`	`the most of my colleagues wanna ran an elive installationtoo`
`18:37.40`	`Thanatermesis`	`yes, the wiki and Elive site is down`
`18:37.47`	`Schamane`	`but they know how to handle linux`
`18:37.48`	`Thanatermesis`	`the wiki of Elive needs a better maintain`
`18:37.54`	`Thanatermesis`	`admins and maintainers....`
`18:38.01`	`Thanatermesis`	`no really person works on it`
`18:38.51`	`Thanatermesis`	`Strider i think to if you need big documentation... you have more than a problem for use Elive or any linux distro =)`
`18:39.19`	`Schamane`	`mess with ubuntu is unreal ;)`
`18:39.35`	`Strider`	`Thanatermesis, that is true...but, not how most think...`
`18:39.40`	`Thanatermesis`	`for Elive you need just a little of documentation, the basic... in any case Elive is in developement, and the thing to search is to not need any extra documentation... in another words "all easy and intuitive"`
`18:39.58`	`Schamane`	`their documentation is faboulos, the community big and they got much money`
`18:40.24`	`Schamane`	`elive can use the wiki of ubuntu too, debian based are both`
`18:40.32`	`Schamane`	`elpanel is great`
`18:40.44`	`Schamane`	`really easy to use`
`18:40.44`	`Strider`	`Yes, but Thanatermesis , it is wise to improve the documentation of elive...it is not really so good...`
`18:41.15`	`Thanatermesis`	`Strider i have started first to develop Elive, no for newbee persons, just for persons to like another feeling with linux, another way to use it, another experience... i like to make the system easy and automatized, but this is not a idea for the newbee ppl, in any case, aparently Elive attires a lot of neewbe ppl`
`18:41.45`	`Thanatermesis`	`in some part i don't like this, after this 0.4 release, has enter in this channel some annoying persons, with newbee mentality...`
`18:41.52`	`Schamane`	`Thanatermesis, if the distri should grow i got an good idea :)`
`18:42.01`	`Thanatermesis`	`saying things similar to "elive is unstable" or "elive has a lot of bugs"...`
`18:42.08`	`Schamane`	`not difficult to realize but big effect i think`
`18:42.16`	`Thanatermesis`	`all the bugs actually founded on Elive are listed on the BUGS section... and all its fixed`
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`18:42.27`	`Strider`	`I'm a Communication scholar at presitgious college...communicating clearly is a big key for success...elive will not grow if it doesn't improve its way of communicating its message`
`18:42.50`	`Thanatermesis`	`and if you don't know how to make a thing... not is a problem of elive, don't make ugly the name of Elive if the problem is between the chair and the keyboard`
`18:42.59`	`Schamane`	`we talked yesterday about itfully wlan configuration in elpanel incl, wpa would be an BIG feature`
`18:43.15`	`Schamane`	and the newbie`s would love it
`18:43.58`	`Schamane`	but do you really wanna get all the newbee`s? much work ;)
`18:44.15`	`Schamane`	`and e17 is too unstable too impress newbees`
`18:44.25`	`Thanatermesis`	`i don't really search newbees`
`18:44.26`	`Schamane`	`they ignor if its in development or not`
`18:44.34`	`Strider`	`I have said my opinion, you may not agree...but the larger distros will eat up the smaller ones because they use good methods of getting their documentation to the noobies`
`18:44.39`	`Thanatermesis`	`i don't like the mentality of the big % of this users`
`18:45.03`	`Schamane`	`Strider, there are too much distris already out there in my oppinion`
`18:45.37`	`Schamane`	it`s time that some distris die
`18:45.47`	`Schamane`	`IMHO`
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`18:46.46`	`Strider`	`I agree...some distros will die , or become relative dinosaurs because they refuse to change with the overall trends`
`18:46.56`	`Schamane`	elive is enlightment, thats unusual and good, but most are knoppix, kanotix, mepis, etc much debian based live-CD`s which are not very different
`18:47.48`	`Strider`	`although, Schamane --- Kanotix is not knoppix based any more and it doing something right more than most distros`
`18:48.06`	`Thanatermesis`	`Elive is another way to use linux, is another experience`
`18:48.16`	`Schamane`	`Strider, yes, but you know what i mean`
`18:48.24`	`Thanatermesis`	`Elive not has any thing with imprescindible things, its another way to work`
`18:48.36`	`Thanatermesis`	`you don't need a bar in your desktop.. .a panel where you minimize the windows`
`18:48.44`	`Schamane`	`Thanatermesis, but hold OO in your distri`
`18:48.46`	`Thanatermesis`	`its a example`
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`18:50.02`	`Thanatermesis`	`for example on Elive you don't need to minimize any window, you have very desktop and you switch between the destktops very fastly (alt + shift + cursors), or if you like to minimize... (control + alt + i ), and you have a better and more beautiful minimization than using a panel on your desktop :)`
`18:51.23`	`Thanatermesis`	`another thing is to Elive don't like to put icons on the desktop... Elive don't like this "ugly and dis-organized destkops", Elive like's more clean, without need any of those things... you need to think diferent, for example, you need to launch fastly a program (this is why you really need a icon on the desktop), you can posible to put it on your engage/ibar, this is perfect for launch a thing`
`18:51.27`	`Strider`	`Thanatermesis, but you are between 2 very different philosophies in your distro already...you provide gui in a new way and that gui needs understanding how to adjust it and change it too...if you believe in difficult Linux for expert users, then why use gui at all??? You see, there is already a conflict of interest right in the distro itself... LOL`
`18:52.48`	`Thanatermesis`	`or another way is simply configure a hot key, you can configure any thing, and the hot-keys is a lot more fast than the mouse.... for example, 3 days ago i have configured my key "alt + s", when i press "alt + s", gqview (image viewer) is launched directly on my "http://thana.no-ip.org/upload" location, for look FAST a posible screenshot of a user send`
`18:52.50`	`Schamane`	`Strider, a gui is for experts too, not all are ascii geeks ;)`
`18:53.17`	`Strider`	`Thanatermesis, I like your idea of having a presentation of how to use elive for working...you said that before..`
`18:54.30`	`Thanatermesis`	`if windows say "icons on your destkop" i need to think about another way better... more easy, more fast, and more intuitive... this is the main concept of Elive, no copy, no similarize... just different and better if is posible`
`18:55.12`	`Strider`	`Schamane, but that is just my point, if you have a gui , but only initiated experts know how to adjust it, you are not any better than $MS user who can't get under the hood to adjust the Windows registry....`
`18:55.59`	`Schamane`	`strider, that because of ppl dont wanna read or learn`
`18:56.38`	`Schamane`	`yesterday the to boys of wlan`
`18:56.54`	`Schamane`	`dont wanna google "ipw2200 howto"`
`18:57.06`	`Strider`	`broken things have nothing really to do with reading and learning, those are just bones the experts want to chew on later and leave as choking points for the noobs...`
`18:57.35`	`Thanatermesis`	`Elive is perfectly debian compatible... if you found a howto for a thing on debian, you can use it for Elive`
`18:58.54`	`Schamane`	`Strider, experts dont waste time in testing distros like we do ;)`
`18:59.05`	`Schamane`	`they take one of the big ones`
`18:59.12`	`Schamane`	`easy to setup`
`19:00.44`	`Schamane`	`at work i normally take one of the big ones too`
`19:01.04`	`Schamane`	`just sometimes i win against my boss and install an debian`
`19:02.44`	`Schamane`	`and believe me, he is really an linux expert`
`19:03.04`	`Schamane`	`linux user before linux 1.0`
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`19:03.27`	`tuxit`	`evening all`
`19:03.31`	`Strider`	`if you are doing a project, you don't want to get stuck on some "broken development bone" when you just need to do something simple. For example, I'm doing school and I like kword more that OOfice, but in elive kword has no previewing capability natively...so, back to the drawing board and time wasted...we don't have time to become Linux experts for everything...`
`19:05.40`	`Schamane`	Strider, sure, but it it`s not only a problem of elive, look at windows, what is it able to after installation?
`19:06.14`	`Schamane`	you can`t open mp3, most of movies, you dont have something like word etc pp
`19:07.03`	`Strider`	`Schamane, but I can get them easily too...and windows ( I hate it really) doesn't choke as much...`
`19:07.17`	`Schamane`	`i think its nice to have a small distro, where else you can meet the chief developer? Thanatermesis :)`
`19:07.33`	`Strider`	`now that is very true....`
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`19:07.37`	`Schamane`	`Strider, apt-get is more easy`
`19:07.40`	`Strider`	`I agree`
`19:08.37`	`Strider`	`but yesterday synaptic pooped out completely with a seg fault right when I was doing a school project...this is FREQUENT`
`19:08.45`	`Schamane`	`you go to school you said, are you able to pay more than 1000 $ for software? i dont think so`
`19:09.13`	`Schamane`	`Strider, thats why important things should`
`19:09.21`	`Schamane`	`be done on stable systems`
`19:09.24`	`Strider`	`I run all windows and pay $0 for software as most good pirates.,..LOL`
`19:09.46`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt x en es i think its nice to have a small distro, where else you can meet the chief developer? Thanatermesis :)`
`19:09.54`	`Schamane`	`Strider, wait for vista ;)`
`19:10.00`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt x en es i think its nice to have a small distro, where else you can meet the chief developer? Thanatermesis :)`
`19:10.03`	`Strider`	`apt girls`
`19:10.05`	`apt`	`the root of all evil`
`19:10.18`	`Thanatermesis`	`Schamane i don't think to Elive is a small distro :)`
`19:10.29`	`Schamane`	`hehe`
`19:10.37`	`Thanatermesis`	`Elive has A LOT of work made`
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`19:10.43`	`Thanatermesis`	`elpanel is just a little part`
`19:10.45`	`Schamane`	`small community of users ;)`
`19:10.47`	`Strider`	`Thanatermesis, not small about 4 gigs now on my machine`
`19:10.53`	`Thanatermesis`	`actually Elive has 197 own packages`
`19:11.28`	`Thanatermesis`	`and after all this bigs things... Elive is a fully Debian system... do you think to debian is small ? :)`
`19:11.44`	`roxville`	`bbl... gotta be school bus for a bit...`
`19:11.52`	`Thanatermesis`	`fully Debian system compatible*, based on...`
`19:12.03`	`Schamane`	`Thanatermesis, its not woody or sarge ;)`
`19:12.04`	`Strider`	`sid?`
`19:12.20`	`Strider`	`sid or etch...I think`
`19:12.21`	`Thanatermesis`	`cat /etc/elive-version`
`19:12.26`	`Schamane`	`etch`
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`19:13.10`	`Schamane`	`A GERMAN USER`
`19:13.20`	`Schamane`	`IS GONE`
`19:13.23`	`Schamane`	`hehe`
`19:13.46`	`Strider`	`I got to go BUT I WILL RETURN!`
`19:13.49`	`Strider`	`lol`
`19:13.54`	`Schamane`	`hehe`
`19:13.54`	`Schamane`	`cu`
`19:14.54`	`Schamane`	`Thanatermesis, but really an wpa configuration would be a fantastic thing`
`19:14.58`	`Schamane`	`for every distro`
`19:15.15`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt wpa`
`19:15.16`	`apt`	`i guess wpa is read the section on wpa at http://hostap.epitest.fi/wpa_supplicant/`
`19:15.20`	`Thanatermesis`	`i don't think to wpa is very used...`
`19:15.31`	`Thanatermesis`	`not is available on the networks configuration ¿?`
`19:15.43`	`Schamane`	`Thanatermesis, its the only secure wifi ebcryption`
`19:15.50`	`Schamane`	`no just wep`
`19:16.21`	`Gwildor`	`wap is jsut unsecure as wep...`
`19:16.22`	`Thanatermesis`	`Schamane before to needs a GUI for wifi things... we needs a minimum of standard in the wifi`
`19:17.01`	`Schamane`	Thanatermesis, thats true, but i dont think it`s impossible
`19:17.09`	`Schamane`	`it dont exist much ways`
`19:17.14`	`Schamane`	`ipw*`
`19:17.24`	`Schamane`	`ndiswrapper`
`19:17.27`	`Thanatermesis`	`without a minimum of standard, is imposible to make a good GUI util`
`19:17.41`	`Thanatermesis`	`oh yes.. .a GUI util to supports 5 or 6 wifi cards...`
`19:17.47`	`Schamane`	`the rest is implemented allready in kernl`
`19:17.55`	`Gwildor`	`my prism isnt :(`
`19:17.59`	`Gwildor`	`prism3`
`19:18.23`	`Schamane`	`but its almost the same`
`19:18.27`	`Schamane`	`ndiswrapper is easy i thin`
`19:18.34`	`Schamane`	`+k`
`19:18.59`	`Schamane`	`ipw220 is to copy some firmware in hotplug`
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`19:19.29`	`Gwildor`	`linux-wlan-ng is supposed to work with this card....`
`19:19.46`	`Schamane`	`Gwildor, hm, dont know this chipset`
`19:20.05`	`Schamane`	`the fucking industry, they always build fucking cards`
`19:20.21`	`Schamane`	`cheap chipsets and almost only windows drivers exist`
`19:20.21`	`Gwildor`	`Schamane, prism3 (i think its actually 2.5) it is D-link DWL-650 rev.p`
`19:20.47`	`Schamane`	`oh, i really dont like dlink`
`19:20.58`	`Gwildor`	`it was a pack of smokes.........`
`19:21.01`	`Gwildor`	`all it cost me`
`19:21.23`	`Gwildor`	`whats that....5-6 bucks`
`19:22.01`	`Schamane`	`sure, but now you have a card which doesnt work ;)`
`19:22.23`	`Schamane`	`its only 11 mbit?`
`19:23.03`	`Gwildor`	`idk, really....havent looked into it all taht much`
`19:23.43`	`Gwildor`	`i really only have wifi at home....i sjtu boot windows when i need it..........in the living room, i am wired with linux....when i go in my bedroom, i am wireless in windows (cat ate my 100' ethernet cable)`
`19:24.09`	`Schamane`	`what a cat ;)`
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`19:24.18`	`Gwildor`	`yeah`
`19:26.40`	`Schamane`	`not a nice one :)`
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`19:28.33`	`Schamane`	`ui firefox chrashed`
`19:29.41`	`Schamane`	`be back soon`
`19:29.44`	`sinplomo`	`Schamane, send a report bug to mozilla team`
`19:29.46`	`sinplomo`	`lol`
`19:31.10`	`Thanatermesis`	`lol`
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`19:46.43`	`_hugo_`	`hello`
`19:46.50`	`_hugo_`	`ya'll using eLive_`
`19:47.38`	`Thanatermesis`	`some persons... i think`
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`19:50.37`	`_hugo_`	`got it running okay_`
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`19:55.58`	`Thanatermesis`	`hey GPLGeek !`
`19:55.59`	`_hugo_`	`hmmm.. how do i know if im running the pre version_ >P`
`19:56.01`	`Thanatermesis`	`im searching you :)`
`19:56.11`	`GPLGeek`	`hey Thanatermesis`
`19:56.23`	`Thanatermesis`	`_hugo_ hehe, good question, make a look to /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf and show me your "vo=thing" line`
`19:56.26`	`GPLGeek`	`there is something wrong with wine`
`19:56.41`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek i have updated finally the ATI packages.. looks to works, i need a test :)`
`19:56.43`	`GPLGeek`	`it sais there is a configuration problem and then it crashes`
`19:56.51`	`GPLGeek`	`Oh Ill test!`
`19:57.15`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek just update and apt-get install fglrx-driver fglrx-kernel-2.6.12 ;)`
`19:57.27`	`GPLGeek`	`ok`
`20:00.16`	`GPLGeek`	`Thanatermesis, this livecd is really good, people have been hoping for a linux distro that comes with the video drivers pre-installed and that looks good and is stable`
`20:00.28`	`GPLGeek`	`and my friends love it`
`20:00.36`	`GPLGeek`	`every day I give another cd out`
`20:00.38`	`Thanatermesis`	`thanks GPLGeek :) finally one person to not speaks bad... lol`
`20:00.54`	`_hugo_`	`he_he`
`20:01.02`	`GPLGeek`	`I am the only one that has had any problems, and that's because I LOOK FOR THEM lol`
`20:01.08`	`GPLGeek`	`I try to find them so others dont have to`
`20:01.16`	`_hugo_`	`hm..`
`20:01.19`	`_hugo_`	`i have problems..`
`20:01.25`	`Thanatermesis`	`this last days has enter on this channel a lot of ppl asking "how i can.." "how i do..", or include, if has a problem and don't knows how to solve.. then say "elive is very buggy"`
`20:01.37`	`Thanatermesis`	`lol`
`20:01.41`	`Thanatermesis`	`what problems _hugo_ ?`
`20:02.13`	`_hugo_`	`when i do dpkg-reconfigure locales and choose nn_NO-ISO osv I get norwegian language in some places, not noregian keys`
`20:02.30`	`_hugo_`	`this is my ;'[`
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`20:02.43`	`_hugo_`	`i need my norwegian chars :)`
`20:02.46`	`Thanatermesis`	`yes GPLGeek.. this is the way... look for example Debian... a user installs debian, and wants nvidia working... and try to install, one time and another.. finally can be posible to works or maybe not works... this is not important`
`20:03.13`	`GPLGeek`	`The main thing is the segfaults from bad elive gadgets. They think that is your fault LOL`
`20:03.14`	`Thanatermesis`	`now look elive, Elive has this working by default.. but if you have a minimum problem with it, or your driver is a little old for your card or any similar thing... Elive culpable`
`20:03.18`	`Thanatermesis`	`Elive bad`
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`20:03.48`	`Thanatermesis`	`_hugo_ reconfigure your languages on Elive via elpanel, its very better prepaired ;)`
`20:04.02`	`_hugo_`	`Thanatermesis, it iiis? :)`
`20:04.04`	`Thanatermesis`	`_hugo_ all the configuration or management of the system are on elpanel ;)`
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`20:04.11`	`GPLGeek`	`Thanatermesis, none of the people I know in person would say that Elive was a bad project`
`20:05.00`	`GPLGeek`	`Thanatermesis, is there an option to remaster the cd?`
`20:05.14`	`_hugo_`	`hmmm`
`20:05.31`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek not say this... but speaks bad about bugs or things to: 1) not exist, the problem is between the chair and the keyboard, 2) not has searched any thing about the problem (for example the bugs section of the page), 3) is a total newbee user and its better to use windows`
`20:05.41`	`GPLGeek`	`Thanatermesis, like if I loaded it all toram and then updated the packages and wanted to make a cd with the packages on it.`
`20:06.03`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek not really... just looking the docs of morphix, Elive is builded on a morphix base for the liveCD mode`
`20:06.12`	`GPLGeek`	`Thanatermesis, most of the "unfixable" major problems are scratched cds`
`20:06.14`	`Thanatermesis`	`no.. not easy in this way`
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`20:06.31`	`Thanatermesis`	`yes, or CD-RW or similar things`
`20:06.48`	`GPLGeek`	`I need to figure out how to script this. Damnsmalllinux lets you remaster and that is one reason that it is so popular.`
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`20:07.25`	`Thanatermesis`	`i don't think to its a good idea`
`20:07.34`	`Thanatermesis`	`this is the last version using morphix (i think)`
`20:07.46`	`Thanatermesis`	`after we go turn to another system`
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`20:08.28`	`Thanatermesis`	`better _hugo_ ? :)`
`20:08.38`	`_hugo_`	`if the .iso file is called Elive_0.4.iso is it guaranteed to be the final release_`
`20:08.57`	`_hugo_`	`Thanatermesis, not really :) I still dont have my three norwegian characters :)`
`20:08.58`	`GPLGeek`	`(EE) Failed to load module "fglrx" (module requirement mismatch, 0)`
`20:09.02`	`Thanatermesis`	`no _hugo_, both isos has this name (we try to change it for the next time)`
`20:09.09`	`GPLGeek`	`(EE) No drivers avaliable`
`20:09.19`	`_hugo_`	`mebbe I should md5sum it :P`
`20:09.22`	`Thanatermesis`	`_hugo_ cat /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf \| egrep ^vo=`
`20:09.32`	`GPLGeek`	`(WW) PEBKAC ERROR!`
`20:09.39`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek correct kernel ?`
`20:09.44`	`_hugo_`	`hugo@frostbitten[~]$ cat /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf \| egrep ^vo=`
`20:09.44`	`_hugo_`	`vo=xv,x11`
`20:09.57`	`Thanatermesis`	`_hugo_ looks to are the final release`
`20:10.02`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt elive-0.4-md5`
`20:10.03`	`apt`	`i heard elive-0.4-md5 is f6178a185c52e2997a7c84f746f7c559`
`20:10.08`	`Thanatermesis`	`this is the md5`
`20:10.23`	`Thanatermesis`	`_hugo_ in any case... you have reconfigured your language... the keyboard is another thing on elpanel ;)`
`20:10.31`	`GPLGeek`	`Oh, the fglrx is for .12 this is .11`
`20:10.39`	`_hugo_`	`hm..`
`20:10.52`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek you have both kernels ;)`
`20:10.55`	`Thanatermesis`	`modules*`
`20:11.19`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek apt-get install fglrx-kernel-2.6.11`
`20:11.21`	`_hugo_`	`Thanatermesis, another thing`
`20:11.26`	`_hugo_`	`when the install is finished, I don't have ANY characters in my terminal`
`20:11.36`	`_hugo_`	`it's just lots of crazy symbols :P`
`20:11.43`	`_hugo_`	`is this supposed to happen?`
`20:12.07`	`Thanatermesis`	`_hugo_ you have selected the language "English C/Default" after the install, yes ?`
`20:12.19`	`_hugo_`	`yes`
`20:12.37`	`Thanatermesis`	`this is a little bug actually fixed`
`20:12.49`	`_hugo_`	`in final_`
`20:12.49`	`_hugo_`	`?`
`20:12.55`	`Thanatermesis`	`is only the first languages of the list to not works good, just deleted now`
`20:12.59`	`Thanatermesis`	`yes, in final :(`
`20:13.08`	`GPLGeek`	`fglrx-driver: Depends: xserver-xorg (< 6.8.99)`
`20:13.11`	`_hugo_`	`oh.. then maybe I should download another :P`
`20:13.11`	`Thanatermesis`	`no... this bug exist also in the final`
`20:13.16`	`_hugo_`	`url? :D`
`20:13.23`	`Thanatermesis`	`no... this bug exist also in the final <--- _H_`
`20:13.24`	`Thanatermesis`	`ops`
`20:13.26`	`Thanatermesis`	`_hugo_`
`20:13.36`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek uh!`
`20:13.38`	`_H_`	`?`
`20:13.54`	`Thanatermesis`	`perdon _H_ , tab ;) xD`
`20:13.55`	`_hugo_`	`url too a final torrent download :P`
`20:14.05`	`GPLGeek`	`let me reboot and retry`
`20:14.07`	`Thanatermesis`	`_hugo_ you have the final`
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`20:14.11`	`_H_`	`thanatermesis, si le das al tab de sale _H_??`
`20:14.11`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek wait`
`20:14.24`	`_hugo_`	`Thanatermesis, you're 110% sure? :)`
`20:14.27`	`Thanatermesis`	`_H_ estaba halbando con hugo que empieza con _... asi que si xD`
`20:14.36`	`_H_`	`ah :)`
`20:14.37`	`Thanatermesis`	`_hugo_ yes, this bug exist also in the final release`
`20:14.40`	`_hugo_`	`okay`
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`20:15.08`	`Thanatermesis`	`_hugo_ not important.. is one of the 3 bugs actually founded and fixed on Elive ;)`
`20:15.16`	`_hugo_`	`Thanatermesis, then what did you do to fix it? :)`
`20:15.20`	`GPLGeek`	`so, apt-get update, apt-get install fglrx-driver fglrx-kernel-2.6.11, then select boot fglrx at whatever reso.`
`20:15.22`	`Thanatermesis`	`all fixed if you read "how to update" on the webpage`
`20:15.46`	`Thanatermesis`	`_hugo_ the first language (english) has a bug... actually is deleted if you upgrade the package`
`20:15.56`	`_hugo_`	`what webpage? elive.org is down :)`
`20:16.20`	`Thanatermesis`	`yes, is down`
`20:16.25`	`Thanatermesis`	`read the topic, hehe`
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`20:16.32`	`_hugo_`	`yeh, I know`
`20:16.36`	`Thanatermesis`	`maybe in some minutes are up ;)`
`20:16.43`	`_hugo_`	`OH? :)`
`20:17.17`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek apt-cache policy fglrx-driver`
`20:17.22`	`Thanatermesis`	`what is the candidate GPLGeek ?`
`20:18.12`	`GPLGeek`	`8.22.5-1`
`20:18.25`	`GPLGeek`	`now I will update it with the new driver`
`20:18.25`	`_hugo_`	`brb`
`20:18.51`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek mmmh, apt-cache show fglrx-driver \| grep xserver-xorg`
`20:19.01`	`Thanatermesis`	`its xserver-xorg (<< 6.9.99) ?`
`20:21.01`	`GPLGeek`	`libc6 (>= 2.3.5-1), libstdc++5 (>= 1:3.3.4-1), libx11-6, libxext6, xserver-xorg (>= 6.9.0), xserver-xorg (<< 6.9.99), libstdc++5`
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`20:21.22`	`Schamane`	`re`
`20:22.34`	`GPLGeek`	`EE failed to load module fglrx module requirement mismatch`
`20:22.52`	`GPLGeek`	`hmm but I can modprobe fglrx with no errors`
`20:23.32`	`GPLGeek`	`its just using it with startx is the problem`
`20:23.51`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek update fglrx-driver package and install the 2 modules packages`
`20:25.33`	`GPLGeek`	`I get an Error , the current /etc/modules/conf is not automatically generated but I dont think thats an issue`
`20:25.48`	`GPLGeek`	`and I understand it your script takes care of that stuff`
`20:26.00`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek i think to the error is your fglrx-driver pacakge`
`20:26.28`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek launch "reinstall-sure-package fglrx-driver" ;)`
`20:26.31`	`GPLGeek`	`X version mismatch - detected X.org 7 needs 6.8i`
`20:28.57`	`Thanatermesis`	`http://elivecd.org <--- the site is up now ?`
`20:29.24`	`Schamane`	`yes`
`20:29.30`	`Thanatermesis`	`mmmh`
`20:29.53`	`GPLGeek`	`I just cant get fglrx to work`
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`20:30.58`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek after to launch my command ?`
`20:31.07`	`GPLGeek`	`I have tried .11 and .12 and then having both. I have updated and installed the -driver, launched all your commands`
`20:31.41`	`Thanatermesis`	`strange...`
`20:31.58`	`Thanatermesis`	`the package speaks to needs the version 6.9 of xorg but aparently don't works...`
`20:32.06`	`Thanatermesis`	`let me try to compile it again GPLGeek ...`
`20:32.15`	`GPLGeek`	`k`
`20:32.54`	`GPLGeek`	`Why are we using xorg 7?`
`20:33.06`	`GPLGeek`	`why not wait for drivers to catch up LOL`
`20:33.18`	`GPLGeek`	`were there good bugfixes?`
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`20:34.27`	`Thanatermesis`	`we are using xorg 6,9, no 7`
`20:34.38`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt-cache policy xserver-xorg`
`20:36.47`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek you can reboot on 2.6.12 ?`
`20:37.19`	`GPLGeek`	`one sec`
`20:37.25`	`GPLGeek`	`oh xorg says its 7`
`20:37.32`	`Thanatermesis`	`on your machine ?`
`20:37.40`	`Thanatermesis`	`do you have turned to SID/unstable ? lol`
`20:37.51`	`GPLGeek`	`livecd`
`20:38.02`	`Thanatermesis`	`liveCD o_O`
`20:38.02`	`GPLGeek`	`oh but it says installed 6.9`
`20:38.11`	`Thanatermesis`	`yes, this is correct`
`20:38.19`	`GPLGeek`	`why does it identify as 7?`
`20:38.27`	`GPLGeek`	`6.9 works fine with the ati driver`
`20:38.28`	`Thanatermesis`	`no idea`
`20:38.31`	`GPLGeek`	`on my desktop`
`20:38.33`	`Thanatermesis`	`you are on the liveCD then ?`
`20:38.38`	`GPLGeek`	`yes`
`20:38.43`	`Thanatermesis`	`with what driver ?`
`20:38.44`	`GPLGeek`	`I said that when we started ROFL`
`20:39.04`	`GPLGeek`	`well I'm just rebooting the livecd now so it will be stock livecd`
`20:39.42`	`Thanatermesis`	`mmmh, try to reboot again... we try it again from 0`
`20:41.13`	`GPLGeek`	`Thanatermesis, you want me to go into another terminal when it starts to ask me questions like what do I want e17 or e16 right? and then update the stuff and then switch back and select fglrx?`
`20:41.20`	`Thanatermesis`	`after reboot, in the questions: e16/e17: select "cancel", select your screen resolution, and select fglrx driver... then you don't go to X directly because you don't have choose, "apt-get update ; apt-get install fglrx-driver fglrx-kernel-2.6.11"`
`20:41.53`	`Thanatermesis`	`or better... don't select fglrx for this moments GPLGeek, just select "vesa" for now`
`20:43.11`	`GPLGeek`	`ok it's done`
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`20:44.15`	`Thanatermesis`	`ok, new packages installed after apt-get update ?`
`20:44.54`	`GPLGeek`	`yes`
`20:45.17`	`Thanatermesis`	`ok, change now "vesa" to "fglrx" in /etc/X11/xorg.conf`
`20:45.44`	`GPLGeek`	`should i modprobe fglrx or will it probe for me`
`20:45.47`	`Thanatermesis`	`and type "setup", select one and look if works`
`20:45.59`	`Thanatermesis`	`yes, modrobe it first`
`20:47.42`	`GPLGeek`	`[R200Setup] X version mismatch - detected X.org 7.0.0.0, required X.org 6.8.0.0`
`20:47.58`	`GPLGeek`	`failed to load module fglrx module requirement mismatch`
`20:48.07`	`GPLGeek`	`no drivers available`
`20:48.56`	`Thanatermesis`	`mmmmh`
`20:49.00`	`Thanatermesis`	`this is strange`
`20:49.09`	`Thanatermesis`	`can you give me a ssh ?`
`20:49.32`	`GPLGeek`	`I think I have to install it first right`
`20:49.33`	`LinuxNIT-`	`he wants your personall files ;)`
`20:49.38`	`LinuxNIT-`	`jk man jk`
`20:49.51`	`GPLGeek`	`linuxNIT he can have all of them lol`
`20:49.55`	`LinuxNIT-`	`lol`
`20:50.06`	`GPLGeek`	`how to enable ssh in elivecd?`
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`20:50.22`	`GPLGeek`	`first do you want me to reboot so you can do it from the beginning?`
`20:50.36`	`Schamane`	`/etc/init.d/ssh start`
`20:50.58`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek change your root password, and after, /etc/init.d/ssh start`
`20:52.00`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek enter on #gplgeek`
`20:52.15`	`gr8nash`	`heh.. thats funny my company uses rollerball76 for our root password..`
`20:52.28`	`GPLGeek`	`I need to set up my router!`
`20:52.36`	`GPLGeek`	`to forward`
`20:52.37`	`Thanatermesis`	`lol gr8nash`
`20:54.02`	`GPLGeek`	`port 22`
`20:54.29`	`GPLGeek`	`I need to reboot EVERYTHING`
`20:55.04`	`Thanatermesis`	`reboot ?`
`20:55.07`	`GPLGeek`	`Thanatermesis, do you want me to boot it with english or spanish mode? lol`
`20:55.22`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek any :)`
`20:55.52`	`GPLGeek`	`Thanatermesis, you should make ssh default and also make it join irc automatically and spit out their IP lol.`
`20:56.05`	`GPLGeek`	`that would make things interesting!`
`20:56.51`	`o[WildChild]o`	`indeed :p`
`20:57.01`	`Thanatermesis`	`yeah, hehe, and the root password is "elive" ;)`
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`20:57.24`	`Thanatermesis`	`but we don't need to worry very if the ssh daemon not is launched by default ;)`
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`20:59.14`	`Elive_user2`	`omg I love this :)`
`20:59.19`	`LinuxNIT-`	`:)`
`20:59.44`	`Schamane`	`hehe`
`20:59.53`	`Thanatermesis`	`:)`
`21:00.01`	`_hugo_`	`nice skin for xmms :P`
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`21:00.11`	`_hugo_`	`Thanatermesis, but I still don't have norwegian keys :(`
`21:00.17`	`Schamane`	`hehe`
`21:00.17`	`_hugo_`	`mebbe you can help me? ;)`
`21:00.36`	`Elive_user92`	`hi, just booted elive 0.4 / .17 looks nice`
`21:00.49`	`Elive_user92`	`is there a way to install this on hd_`
`21:00.55`	`Schamane`	`sure`
`21:01.01`	`Gwildor`	`the button :P`
`21:01.04`	`Elive_user92`	`script?`
`21:01.05`	`Gwildor`	`push the button`
`21:01.05`	`_hugo_`	`Elive_user, run the program to the left on your bar :)`
`21:01.06`	`Schamane`	`the button on the right side`
`21:01.13`	`Gwildor`	`hehe...its in the middle`
`21:01.14`	`Gwildor`	`:P`
`21:01.21`	`_hugo_`	`lol.. didnt find it at first myeslf :)`
`21:01.27`	`GPLGeek_`	`Thanatermesis, ssh 67.164.76.177 -l root , after that it asks you password use the password "thana"`
`21:01.40`	`Schamane`	`uh not clever :)`
`21:01.50`	`_hugo_`	`think he knows what he's doing :P`
`21:01.52`	`GPLGeek_`	`I have no files on that machine`
`21:01.54`	`GPLGeek_`	`its a testing machine`
`21:02.00`	`GPLGeek_`	`its isolated from the other machines`
`21:02.10`	`_hugo_`	`hm.. /me takes a peek`
`21:02.19`	`Elive_user92`	`ok, thx`
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`21:02.27`	`_hugo_`	`connection refused, lol`
`21:02.29`	`Elive_user92`	`ill try`
`21:02.38`	`Schamane`	`_hugo_, you tried?`
`21:02.56`	`_hugo_`	`Schamane, yap`
`21:03.05`	`_hugo_`	`hugo@frostbitten[~]$ ssh 67.164.76.177 -l root`
`21:03.05`	`_hugo_`	`ssh: connect to host 67.164.76.177 port 22: Connection refused`
`21:03.53`	`GPLGeek_`	`it only works for one login lol`
`21:03.57`	`GPLGeek_`	`who logged in`
`21:04.02`	`_hugo_`	`hehe :)`
`21:04.04`	`Schamane`	`lol`
`21:04.06`	`GPLGeek_`	`just exit and let thana on`
`21:04.10`	`GPLGeek_`	`'exit'`
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`21:05.07`	`GPLGeek_`	`Thanatermesis, are you able to get on now`
`21:05.12`	`_hugo_`	`lol.. it's GUI for EVERYTHING here :P`
`21:05.15`	`Thanatermesis`	`im looking GPLGeek, yes`
`21:05.48`	`GPLGeek_`	`!ghostsmite`
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`21:06.15`	`Elive_user2`	`[[[`
`21:06.21`	`Thanatermesis`	`~ghostmite`
`21:06.27`	`_hugo_`	`I want norwegian characters! :(`
`21:06.29`	`GPLGeek`	`you saw that? lol`
`21:06.31`	`Thanatermesis`	`~ghostsmite`
`21:06.45`	`Thanatermesis`	`_hugo_ use elpanel, in the keyboard configuration`
`21:06.57`	`GPLGeek`	`that's my command that killes the other username and does the nickserv stuff`
`21:07.28`	`_hugo_`	`åååå`
`21:07.30`	`_hugo_`	`OMG!`
`21:07.41`	`_hugo_`	`I love you a littlebit Thanatermesis =)`
`21:08.30`	`Thanatermesis`	`lol`
`21:08.51`	`Schamane`	`hehe`
`21:09.00`	`_hugo_`	`hm.. what about my incredible small fonts? :P`
`21:09.21`	`Schamane`	`hehe nothing is for free ;)`
`21:09.29`	`Thanatermesis`	`_hugo_ THIS IS JUST A NEW RECENT FEATURE FOR ELPANEL :)`
`21:09.39`	`Thanatermesis`	`actually available with "apt-get install terminal-manager" ;)`
`21:09.40`	`_hugo_`	`but a great one :D`
`21:10.34`	`_hugo_`	`lol it changes themes Faaast`
`21:10.41`	`_hugo_`	`Thanatermesis, but what about system fonts?`
`21:10.57`	`Thanatermesis`	`_hugo_ gtk ? also on elpanel ;)`
`21:11.00`	`Thanatermesis`	`"look and feel"`
`21:13.20`	`_hugo_`	`lol... I have tried e17 with Gentoo and Ubuntu`
`21:13.28`	`_hugo_`	`but this is really something :)`
`21:13.52`	`_hugo_`	`installed it on ubuntu yesterday actually.. two hours later I read about elive :P`
`21:13.58`	`gr8nash`	`Thanatermesis, how far behind cvs is .4's E?`
`21:14.28`	`Thanatermesis`	`gr8nash apt-cache policy e17`
`21:14.47`	`Thanatermesis`	`gr8nash builded 1 week before of the release maximum`
`21:15.44`	`gr8nash`	`could could you give me a tip as howto kill the firefox policy that keeps it old?`
`21:15.53`	`_hugo_`	`Thanatermesis, you know the edje_thumb command in previeus relaeses, is there a GUI to change formats on image files here to? :P`
`21:16.16`	`_hugo_`	`need to use Esetroot with Eterm with a .png file, while background has to be .edj :P`
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`21:17.10`	`_hugo_`	`hm`
`21:17.11`	`Thanatermesis`	`_hugo_ convert image.png image.jpg`
`21:17.20`	`_hugo_`	`Thanatermesis, works for .edj files to?`
`21:17.29`	`Thanatermesis`	`_hugo_ but try better the "e17 backgrounds manager" on elpanel ;)`
`21:17.46`	`Thanatermesis`	`you have all of you want here ;)`
`21:17.52`	`_hugo_`	`lol =)`
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`21:19.30`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek when you have tried "modprobe fglrx" it works good ?`
`21:21.38`	`_hugo_`	`hm`
`21:21.39`	`Thanatermesis`	`mmmh... .amd64 :/`
`21:21.39`	`_hugo_`	`found a writing error`
`21:21.41`	`Thanatermesis`	`_hugo_ what error ?`
`21:21.43`	`_hugo_`	`"you can posible to use .edj background files or any image format"`
`21:21.45`	`_hugo_`	`supposed to be possible? :D`
`21:21.46`	`Thanatermesis`	`of course ;)`
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`21:22.03`	`_hugo_`	`Thanatermesis, hm`
`21:22.04`	`GPLGeek`	`oh fatal error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.11/misc/fglrx.ko) operation not permitted`
`21:22.05`	`_hugo_`	`tried to select a .png file for background in elpanel`
`21:22.12`	`_hugo_`	`but nothing happened, and it's not on the lsit`
`21:22.12`	`_hugo_`	`list`
`21:22.12`	`_hugo_`	`of backgrounds`
`21:22.15`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek ok... im looking...`
`21:22.17`	`GPLGeek`	`but then I used sudo and it worked with no message`
`21:22.30`	`Thanatermesis`	`_hugo_ wait some seconds...`
`21:22.38`	`GPLGeek`	`even though i'm on as root lol`
`21:22.55`	`Thanatermesis`	`yes, now works.. wait a second`
`21:25.11`	`Thanatermesis`	`wait a second GPLGeek, i need to rebuild the module in my other machine...`
`21:25.21`	`GPLGeek`	`ok`
`21:28.36`	`_hugo_`	`found another bug :(`
`21:28.57`	`Schamane`	`anyone remember where i can allow to export display in debian?`
`21:29.07`	`Thanatermesis`	`_hugo_ bug ?`
`21:29.20`	`Schamane`	`it was somewhere in etx/x11`
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`21:29.28`	`_hugo_`	`Thanatermesis, when i close gaim, it's supposed to go into the itray`
`21:29.28`	`Thanatermesis`	`Schamane export DISPLAY=:0.0`
`21:29.31`	`_hugo_`	`but gaim closes`
`21:29.42`	`Schamane`	`Thanatermesis, no, in debian its disabled by default`
`21:29.45`	`Thanatermesis`	`_hugo_ oh... send a email to the gaim developer then :)`
`21:29.51`	`Thanatermesis`	`_hugo_ and what is the first bug ?`
`21:30.08`	`_hugo_`	`Thanatermesis, couldn't add .png files as background`
`21:30.10`	`Thanatermesis`	`Schamane "xhost +" ?`
`21:30.13`	`_hugo_`	`even the app say I can =)`
`21:30.24`	`Schamane`	`no the port doesnt listen by default`
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`21:30.31`	`_hugo_`	`Thanatermesis, the gaim tray thingi worked on gaim when i had e17 on gentoo`
`21:30.44`	`Thanatermesis`	`_hugo_ its another version of gaim then`
`21:31.04`	`_hugo_`	`lol 1.5.1cvs`
`21:31.07`	`_hugo_`	`I used 1.5.0 :P`
`21:32.18`	`Thanatermesis`	`_hugo_ the systray of e17 is very experimental`
`21:32.20`	`Thanatermesis`	`try it on e16`
`21:33.06`	`_hugo_`	`hm, okay`
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`21:35.15`	`Schamane`	`Thanatermesis, in kde it is in /etc/kde3/kdm/Xservers`
`21:35.39`	`Schamane`	`but which manager is used in elive?`
`21:35.45`	`Schamane`	`its not gdm or kdm`
`21:36.40`	`Thanatermesis`	`Schamane is entrance`
`21:36.50`	`Thanatermesis`	`but i don't think to this feature is supported, ask on #e about this`
`21:36.58`	`Schamane`	`thx`
`21:38.06`	`_hugo_`	`Thanatermesis, worked on e16`
`21:38.08`	`_hugo_`	`the gaim issue`
`21:38.16`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt e17`
`21:38.17`	`apt`	`hmm... e17 is IN DEVELOPEMENT`
`21:38.26`	`Thanatermesis`	`also all the things of e17`
`21:41.55`	`_hugo_`	`:P`
`21:41.58`	`Thanatermesis`	`ii xlibs-dev 6.8.2.dfsg.1-11 X Window System client library development files transit <--- i think to this is the problem GPLGeek`
`21:42.04`	`Thanatermesis`	`6.8.2`
`21:42.11`	`Thanatermesis`	`but we don't have a candidate...`
`21:42.14`	`Thanatermesis`	`let me check`
`21:43.31`	`GPLGeek`	`LOL to my dogs, birds are treats with wings`
`21:43.46`	`GPLGeek`	`my dog went into our yard and ate one`
`21:43.56`	`Thanatermesis`	`hehehe`
`21:44.23`	`Thanatermesis`	`_hugo_ i have speak to you... the systray of e17 is actually very experimental, maybe in the next upgrade of your e17 works again`
`21:45.51`	`_hugo_`	`Thanatermesis, maybe =)`
`21:46.07`	`_hugo_`	`but it worked when i used e17 on gentoo, so it IS a way to make it work =)`
`21:47.18`	`Thanatermesis`	`_hugo_ if works in the e17 of you have tried in gentoo... im pretty sure to this build on gentoo is VERY recent, then you just need to wait the next upgrade of e17 on the Elive repositories, maybe in 2 hours or tomorrow`
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`21:48.10`	`_hugo_`	`Thanatermesis, ah, okay =)`
`21:48.33`	`_hugo_`	`apt-get e17 to update+`
`21:48.34`	`_hugo_`	`?`
`21:48.50`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt-get update ; apt-get install e17`
`21:48.58`	`Thanatermesis`	`or use synaptic`
`21:49.05`	`_hugo_`	`nevah :P`
`21:50.00`	`Thanatermesis`	`because not has new updates since the release ;)`
`21:50.51`	`_hugo_`	`Thanatermesis, can you maybe tell my why gaim is in norwegian? :P`
`21:50.58`	`_hugo_`	`is it becaouse i chose norwegian charset?`
`21:51.13`	`Thanatermesis`	`no, because you have cconfigured your language (locales)`
`21:51.27`	`_hugo_`	`oh`
`21:52.10`	`GPLGeek`	`Thanatermesis, are you still needing my ssh?`
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`21:52.39`	`Thanatermesis`	`yes GPLGeek, wait a second... im trying to find where is the new X libs`
`21:52.50`	`Thanatermesis`	`and after, recompile it again and re-send for test...`
`21:52.52`	`GPLGeek`	`I can leave it on all day`
`21:52.54`	`Thanatermesis`	`i need a little of time for this`
`21:53.16`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt x en es I can leave it on all day`
`21:53.19`	`GPLGeek`	`I was going to configure it so you could forward x11 too`
`21:53.38`	`Thanatermesis`	`nah.. i don't need.. just the ssh is good ;)`
`21:53.48`	`Thanatermesis`	`x11 ? who needs x11 ? :)`
`21:53.59`	`Gwildor`	`E does :P`
`21:54.20`	`Gwildor`	`sniff sniff me too`
`21:54.28`	`GPLGeek`	`E can be run on others too`
`21:54.34`	`Gwildor`	`:)`
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`21:55.41`	`_hugo_`	`how do i change font-size in Terminal?`
`21:56.02`	`GPLGeek`	`_hugo_, sacrifice a virgin to the tty* god`
`21:56.20`	`_hugo_`	`hm.. I don't know any virgins :/`
`21:56.35`	`o[WildChild]o`	`lol`
`21:57.30`	`Thanatermesis`	`_hugo_ apt-get install terminal-manager`
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`21:58.04`	`Thanatermesis`	`lol`
`22:02.38`	`Elive_user46`	`Someone say Virgin?`
`22:02.47`	`_hugo_`	`hm, no`
`22:03.07`	`Drex99`	`damn`
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`22:04.44`	`Schamane`	`got to go to bed`
`22:04.45`	`Schamane`	`bye`
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`22:05.11`	`Thanatermesis`	`_hugo_ i have tested your "first bug report" and works perfectly on me :P`
`22:05.21`	`_hugo_`	`Thanatermesis, about the gaim issue`
`22:05.30`	`Thanatermesis`	`i look this background added with a .png file`
`22:05.36`	`_hugo_`	`oh?`
`22:06.01`	`_hugo_`	`how did you do it? :P`
`22:07.30`	`Thanatermesis`	`in the same way to you`
`22:07.32`	`Thanatermesis`	`via elpanel`
`22:08.28`	`_hugo_`	`strange`
`22:08.36`	`_hugo_`	`.png ?`
`22:09.13`	`Thanatermesis`	`yes`
`22:09.23`	`_hugo_`	`hm`
`22:10.02`	`_hugo_`	`lol`
`22:10.07`	`_hugo_`	`i tried to use .jpg`
`22:10.11`	`_hugo_`	`maybe that's the problem :P`
`22:10.15`	`_hugo_`	`convert and retry`
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`22:11.38`	`_hugo_`	`ah!`
`22:11.43`	`_hugo_`	`Thanatermesis, my bad :(`
`22:11.48`	`_hugo_`	`didn't see that it was. jpg =)`
`22:11.52`	`_hugo_`	`now it worked wonderful =)`
`22:13.24`	`Thanatermesis`	`<_hugo_> i tried to use .jpg`
`22:13.24`	`Thanatermesis`	`<_hugo_> maybe that's the problem :P`
`22:13.25`	`Thanatermesis`	`no`
`22:13.30`	`_hugo_`	`oh?`
`22:13.31`	`Thanatermesis`	`you use any format`
`22:13.40`	`Thanatermesis`	`all formats are accepted correctly`
`22:14.00`	`_hugo_`	`okay..`
`22:14.07`	`_hugo_`	`but now i located another problem :P`
`22:14.12`	`Thanatermesis`	`this tool recognizes and convert the format without problems ;)`
`22:14.16`	`Thanatermesis`	`lol`
`22:14.24`	`_hugo_`	`great tool :)`
`22:14.50`	`_hugo_`	`Thanatermesis, how do i use a "stretched" image with Esetroot?`
`22:15.04`	`Thanatermesis`	`-s`
`22:15.09`	`Thanatermesis`	`Esetroot --help`
`22:15.19`	`GPLGeek`	`Thanatermesis, im going to be gone for a few min. you may compile stuff on my laptop if you want, it's fast. amd64 3400+`
`22:15.21`	`Thanatermesis`	`this is "the problem" _hugo_ ?`
`22:15.27`	`_hugo_`	`:P`
`22:15.35`	`Thanatermesis`	`ok GPLGeek, thanks :)`
`22:15.43`	`Thanatermesis`	`in any case GPLGeek, i can posible to use a partition tmp ?`
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`22:15.49`	`Thanatermesis`	`for don't eat all the RAM`
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`22:15.52`	`Thanatermesis`	`if i need it`
`22:15.57`	`GPLGeek`	`You can remove the contents of the whole drive`
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`22:16.03`	`GPLGeek`	`Nothing you do can mess up the system`
`22:16.06`	`Thanatermesis`	`_hugo_ then.. before to say "bug" or "problem"... just say "i have a question"`
`22:16.18`	`_hugo_`	`Thanatermesis, yes, sorry`
`22:16.47`	`o[WildChild]o`	`huhu`
`22:17.05`	`_hugo_`	`hm.. I am unable to change fonts in terminal`
`22:17.17`	`Thanatermesis`	`ok GPLGeek, thanks :)`
`22:17.27`	`Thanatermesis`	`_hugo_ ...`
`22:17.33`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt-get update terminal-manager`
`22:17.51`	`GPLGeek`	`I just eraced the whole drive, just fdisk whatever partitions you want. the drive right now is 80gb`
`22:17.55`	`Gwildor`	`work is over...laters`
`22:17.56`	`Gwildor`	`o/ o/`
`22:18.07`	`_hugo_`	`Thanatermesis, I'm using terminal-manager`
`22:18.21`	`Thanatermesis`	`_hugo_ don't launch it with root`
`22:18.26`	`_hugo_`	`Thanatermesis, it changed the first time I did it`
`22:18.27`	`_hugo_`	`i'm not`
`22:19.09`	`_hugo_`	`I can change size okay`
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`22:22.53`	`_hugo_`	`restarted X and it changed..`
`22:23.57`	`Drex99`	`So, am I correct in saying there is NO virgins left?`
`22:24.40`	`_hugo_`	`uhm..`
`22:24.44`	`_hugo_`	`not that I know of`
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`22:24.52`	`Drex99`	`Damn`
`22:25.15`	`_hugo_`	`you need one?`
`22:25.26`	`Drex99`	`I could use one, yes`
`22:25.46`	`Drex99`	`I need to do a Beta test on her.`
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`22:27.39`	`Thanatermesis`	`_hugo_ no need to restart X, just open a new terminal`
`22:27.47`	`_hugo_`	`Thanatermesis, negative`
`22:27.50`	`_hugo_`	`tried several times`
`22:28.16`	`Thanatermesis`	`and you don't have any error on the console ?`
`22:28.19`	`Drex99`	`try Notepad`
`22:28.25`	`Thanatermesis`	`can you change the transparency ?`
`22:28.30`	`_hugo_`	`yep`
`22:28.30`	`Thanatermesis`	`lol Drex99`
`22:28.32`	`Drex99`	`kidding.`
`22:28.33`	`_hugo_`	`trans and size`
`22:28.40`	`Thanatermesis`	`_hugo_ aaah, trans and size`
`22:28.43`	`Thanatermesis`	`what is the problem ? ttf ?`
`22:28.49`	`_hugo_`	`yap`
`22:28.55`	`Thanatermesis`	`some TTF fonts not are good supported, try anothers`
`22:29.05`	`Thanatermesis`	`but it works`
`22:29.07`	`_hugo_`	`I can change once after i restart X it seems :P`
`22:29.27`	`Thanatermesis`	`no, it changes every time you open a new terminal`
`22:29.32`	`Thanatermesis`	`try TTF fonts installed`
`22:29.36`	`Thanatermesis`	`no adding one`
`22:29.42`	`_hugo_`	`Thanatermesis, I'm telling you, it doesnt! :)`
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`22:29.57`	`Thanatermesis`	`it works for me`
`22:30.02`	`_hugo_`	`(zenity:6511): Gtk-WARNING **: Could not find the icon 'gnome-fs-home'. The 'hicolor' theme`
`22:30.02`	`_hugo_`	`was not found either, perhaps you need to install it.`
`22:30.02`	`_hugo_`	`You can get a copy from:`
`22:30.02`	`_hugo_`	`http://icon-theme.freedesktop.org/releases`
`22:30.10`	`_hugo_`	`only error i get when i run terminal-manager :p`
`22:30.26`	`Thanatermesis`	`this message is normal`
`22:30.29`	`_hugo_`	`yap`
`22:30.35`	`_hugo_`	`brb`
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`22:31.28`	`_hugo_`	`Thanatermesis, okay, you're correct again`
`22:31.33`	`_hugo_`	`some fonts dont load, some does :p`
`22:31.39`	`_hugo_`	`hmpf`
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`22:32.39`	`eManu`	`buenas noches ! :)`
`22:32.48`	`_hugo_`	`is there a way to save Esetroot?`
`22:32.53`	`_hugo_`	`it resets every time i restart x`
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`22:36.58`	`eManu`	`Thanatermesis, he realizado la comprobación que me pedistes`
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`22:38.07`	`Thanatermesis`	`aha, perfecto eManu, ademas ya tenemos la pagina de nuevo levantada :)`
`22:38.32`	`Thanatermesis`	`<_hugo_> is there a way to save Esetroot?`
`22:38.46`	`Thanatermesis`	`no... for this thing is why are created the tool of the backgrounds manager on elpanel`
`22:38.49`	`Gryn`	`Is their anyone i can change the Tclock to display 12h instead of 24h?`
`22:38.58`	`eManu`	`Thanatermesis, felicidades ya lo habia visto, te mando el resultado`
`22:39.10`	`_hugo_`	`yes :P`
`22:39.11`	`GPLGeek`	`yes, 'configure'`
`22:39.13`	`_hugo_`	`Gryn, configure`
`22:39.26`	`GPLGeek`	`right click it!`
`22:39.49`	`Gryn`	`all it shows it resolution: 1 minute, 1 second`
`22:39.58`	`Thanatermesis`	`gracias eManu`
`22:40.20`	`_hugo_`	`hm.. my clock isn't showing :s`
`22:40.30`	`Thanatermesis`	`eManu si me lo muestras por aqui ya me sirve ;)`
`22:41.13`	`Gryn`	`hm.`
`22:41.16`	`_hugo_`	`Thanatermesis, what fonts are you using in terminal?`
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`22:41.32`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt enlightenment-choice _hugo_`
`22:41.49`	`Thanatermesis`	`_hugo_ the default`
`22:42.22`	`eManu`	`Thanatermesis, f6178a185c52e2997a7c84f746f7c559 /mnt/hda6/descargas/Elive`
`22:42.23`	`eManu`	`0.4 final - Serenity.iso`
`22:42.33`	`Thanatermesis`	`esa es la correcta eManu :)`
`22:42.38`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt elive-0.4-md5`
`22:42.40`	`apt`	`i guess elive-0.4-md5 is f6178a185c52e2997a7c84f746f7c559`
`22:43.02`	`eManu`	`si, comprobada con la que tienes en la web`
`22:43.23`	`Thanatermesis`	`pues mira, ahora mismo lo pongo en la pagina de Elive y me dices que tal queda ;) (ya que e puesto una cosilla para motivar a la gente a dar mirrors, porque no hay ni para meter un par :/)`
`22:44.14`	`Thanatermesis`	`eManu sabes lo que voy a hacer ? la gente no da mirrors pero todo el mundo quiere Elive... bien.. pues voy a vender los CDs y quien los quiera que paguen 15 euros, que la gpl no te obliga en todo caso a sacarte el dinero de tu bolsillo para que la gente se lo baje xD`
`22:44.16`	`eManu`	`jaja, ya te comentare !! :)`
`22:44.59`	`_hugo_`	`Thanatermesis, i have to convert to .png before choosing as background..`
`22:45.32`	`eManu`	`Thanatermesis, me parece buena idea, pero se te van a echar encima !!`
`22:46.40`	`Thanatermesis`	`eManu mejor pues! asi empiezo a ganar dinero de una vez de todo el trabajo ;)`
`22:46.53`	`Thanatermesis`	`_hugo_ on Esetroot yes, on the features of elpanel no`
`22:47.46`	`_hugo_`	`Thanatermesis, you're wrong! :P`
`22:47.57`	`_hugo_`	`I tried with a .jpg, didn't work`
`22:48.07`	`_hugo_`	`converted, and did the exact same thing with a .png`
`22:48.12`	`_hugo_`	`worked just fine`
`22:48.13`	`Thanatermesis`	`_hugo_ the name of you .jpg has spaces ?`
`22:48.32`	`_hugo_`	`anime2_JPG.jpg`
`22:48.33`	`_hugo_`	`nope`
`22:48.45`	`Thanatermesis`	`mmmh... let me check the tool...`
`22:50.00`	`o[WildChild]o`	`hey _hugo_`
`22:50.07`	`_hugo_`	`heyhey!`
`22:50.09`	`Thanatermesis`	`_hugo_ what is the next event to you has after to select this image in JPG ¿`
`22:50.15`	`o[WildChild]o`	`Kawabunga! :D`
`22:50.23`	`Thanatermesis`	`lol`
`22:50.24`	`_hugo_`	`question for adding special effects`
`22:50.30`	`_hugo_`	`lol :P`
`22:51.03`	`tuxit`	`good night all`
`22:51.04`	`Thanatermesis`	`_hugo_ try to convert it to a .gif file, just for test in .gif`
`22:51.09`	`Thanatermesis`	`good night tuxit`
`22:51.10`	`_hugo_`	`yep`
`22:51.14`	`_hugo_`	`nigh`
`22:51.15`	`_hugo_`	`t`
`22:51.38`	`tuxit`	`not much here during the weekend, I'm at fosdem that`
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`22:52.02`	`_hugo_`	`Thanatermesis, .gif worked`
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`22:52.33`	`Thanatermesis`	`_hugo_ try to change the name to this .jpg file to a "a.jpg" (for example)`
`22:52.40`	`_hugo_`	`yap`
`22:53.44`	`Thanatermesis`	`works with this name ?`
`22:54.01`	`_hugo_`	`hm, yes :)`
`22:54.06`	`Thanatermesis`	`mmmh`
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`22:54.16`	`Thanatermesis`	`can you posible to send me your file ?`
`22:54.28`	`_hugo_`	`the .JPG that errors?`
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`22:54.52`	`Thanatermesis`	`yes, the bad file`
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`22:55.45`	`_hugo_`	`hm, I just renamed it to a.jpg`
`22:55.48`	`_hugo_`	`but named it back :P`
`22:58.45`	`Thanatermesis`	`look if dont works, if don't works, send me`
`22:59.47`	`_hugo_`	`I'm trying`
`22:59.52`	`_hugo_`	`don't you get the dcc?`
`23:00.35`	`_hugo_`	`http://www.malamessomal.it/sfondi/manga/images/anime4_JPG.jpg`
`23:00.40`	`_hugo_`	`there it is :P`
`23:01.19`	`Thanatermesis`	`ok`
`23:01.50`	`_hugo_`	`kinda cute :D`
`23:02.05`	`_hugo_`	`Thanatermesis, what is the default font in terminal called?`
`23:02.23`	`Thanatermesis`	`Monospace`
`23:03.56`	`Gryn`	`How can i configure Tclock to display 12hr?`
`23:04.00`	`_hugo_`	`hm, now where is it located..`
`23:04.12`	`_hugo_`	`Gryn, we just told you how to configure it to show 24 :P`
`23:04.19`	`_hugo_`	`rightclick -> configure`
`23:04.25`	`Gryn`	`thats for the normal clock`
`23:04.35`	`Gryn`	`Tclock dont have those options`
`23:04.38`	`_hugo_`	`oh`
`23:05.04`	`Gryn`	`and my normal clock just show analog... it dont convert to digital 12 hour`
`23:05.17`	`_hugo_`	`Mem: 516196k total, 470228k used, 45968k free, 51464k buffers`
`23:05.19`	`_hugo_`	`hm`
`23:06.38`	`Thanatermesis`	`mmmmh, _hugo_ , it works perfectly with me`
`23:07.10`	`Thanatermesis`	`this image file in .jpg format`
`23:07.28`	`_hugo_`	`strange`
`23:08.37`	`Thanatermesis`	`try it again`
`23:12.30`	`_hugo_`	`it really doesn't matter :P`
`23:14.02`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt x en es it really doesn't matter`
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`23:14.19`	`LinuxNIT-`	`is the icons-exquisite package another icon set for elive?`
`23:14.24`	`Thanatermesis`	`_hugo_ of course matter's, if is a bug it needs to are fixed`
`23:14.39`	`_hugo_`	`Thanatermesis, sure`
`23:14.56`	`Thanatermesis`	`LinuxNIT is the used for very icons, for example engage on e16.... do you are using engage-manager ?`
`23:15.04`	`_hugo_`	`but hard to find out now, cause after i renamed it to a.jpg and back to anime2_JPG.jpg it worked`
`23:15.10`	`LinuxNIT-`	`no`
`23:15.12`	`_hugo_`	`brb`
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`23:15.39`	`LinuxNIT-`	`Thanatermesis, so it is just for engage the program ?`
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`23:17.32`	`Thanatermesis`	`LinuxNIT engage-manager is a application for manage your engage on e16, this is all`
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`23:18.02`	`_hugo_`	`Thanatermesis, want to know a bug? :P`
`23:18.03`	`LinuxNIT-`	`sorry xchat crashed somehow`
`23:18.04`	`LinuxNIT-`	`ok`
`23:18.06`	`_hugo_`	`my clock isn't showing`
`23:18.20`	`_hugo_`	`i tried to disable, restart X and enable, but it's still not showing`
`23:18.24`	`LinuxNIT-`	`so is the icons-exquisite for engage-manager?`
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`23:19.30`	`Elive_user2`	`hm`
`23:19.54`	`_hugo_`	`i want my clock :/`
`23:20.19`	`o[WildChild]o`	`_hugo_: some theme put the clock down for no reasons`
`23:20.27`	`o[WildChild]o`	`I dont have any clock either`
`23:20.34`	`o[WildChild]o`	`try milky theme`
`23:20.42`	`o[WildChild]o`	`your clock will pop`
`23:20.59`	`_hugo_`	`I'm running the default theme`
`23:21.52`	`_hugo_`	`hm`
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`23:21.52`	`_hugo_`	`don't have milky theme :)`
`23:21.53`	`o[WildChild]o`	`go get it`
`23:21.53`	`o[WildChild]o`	`www.get-e.org`
`23:21.53`	`_hugo_`	`yaP!`
`23:21.53`	`LinuxNIT-`	`apt-get it`
`23:21.53`	`_hugo_`	`knwo`
`23:21.53`	`LinuxNIT-`	`i think its in apt`
`23:21.53`	`LinuxNIT-`	`apt has a lot of themes`
`23:21.55`	`o[WildChild]o`	`LinuxNIT: yeah sorry , im not on elive :)`
`23:21.55`	`LinuxNIT-`	`lol`
`23:21.55`	`LinuxNIT-`	`oh`
`23:21.55`	`LinuxNIT-`	`:)`
`23:22.02`	`_hugo_`	`thanks star =)`
`23:22.08`	`roxville`	`milky theme is in the elive repo o[WildChild]o`
`23:22.11`	`o[WildChild]o`	`LinuxNIT: now I know that themes can be found on apt :D`
`23:22.19`	`o[WildChild]o`	`roxville: oki :)`
`23:22.22`	`LinuxNIT-`	`:D`
`23:22.22`	`_hugo_`	`wow`
`23:22.30`	`LinuxNIT-`	`actually quite a few are there ;)`
`23:22.34`	`_hugo_`	`apt-cache search e17`
`23:23.01`	`LinuxNIT-`	`lol`
`23:23.06`	`o[WildChild]o`	`LinuxNIT: the neptune theme is too blue for me :)`
`23:23.24`	`roxville`	`lol`
`23:23.28`	`_hugo_`	`doesn any onf the other themes have trans menus?`
`23:23.32`	`o[WildChild]o`	`LinuxNIT: im more earth color`
`23:23.34`	`LinuxNIT-`	`pluse snow makes it look wintery`
`23:23.36`	`Thanatermesis`	`<_hugo_> Thanatermesis, want to know a bug? :P`
`23:23.39`	`Thanatermesis`	`NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO !!!!`
`23:23.41`	`Thanatermesis`	`:)`
`23:23.45`	`o[WildChild]o`	`lol`
`23:23.49`	`LinuxNIT-`	`lol`
`23:23.58`	`_hugo_`	`HAHA =)`
`23:24.21`	`_hugo_`	`I'm liek VERY hungry right now`
`23:24.27`	`Thanatermesis`	`_hugo_`
`23:24.34`	`Thanatermesis`	`do you want stability or beauty ?`
`23:24.47`	`LinuxNIT-`	`both ;)`
`23:24.49`	`_hugo_`	`both, please =)`
`23:24.50`	`LinuxNIT-`	`hehehe`
`23:24.53`	`LinuxNIT-`	`lol`
`23:24.54`	`Thanatermesis`	`question: _hugo_ do you want stability or beauty ?`
`23:25.03`	`Thanatermesis`	`answer: both`
`23:25.03`	`LinuxNIT-`	`sorry man not a option ;)`
`23:25.07`	`o[WildChild]o`	`_hugo_: you cant have them both right now`
`23:25.08`	`pycs`	`yeah both... :)`
`23:25.10`	`Thanatermesis`	`result: not posible for now`
`23:25.11`	`_hugo_`	`my girlfriends neither, sooooo`
`23:25.13`	`_hugo_`	`beauty =)`
`23:25.18`	`LinuxNIT-`	`lol`
`23:25.32`	`_hugo_`	`uh,, you here?`
`23:25.34`	`Thanatermesis`	`answer: <_hugo_> beauty =)`
`23:25.43`	`_hugo_`	`ding!`
`23:25.51`	`_hugo_`	`Thanatermesis, when can i choose both? :]`
`23:26.06`	`pycs`	`i guess its true :), you can't have both worlds`
`23:26.07`	`Thanatermesis`	`result: then don't complain about posible bugs, e17 is IN DEVELOPEMENT and contains VERY BUGS, NOT has ANY stable release for this moments`
`23:26.15`	`roxville`	`_hugo_, when you know how to make your own theme... ?`
`23:26.23`	`Thanatermesis`	`_hugo_ waiting the first stable release of e17`
`23:26.29`	`Thanatermesis`	`or making e16 beauty`
`23:26.38`	`LinuxNIT-`	`when e17 is offcially realeased and officially packaged as as stable .debs ;)`
`23:26.42`	`_hugo_`	`e16 actually didn't look so bad`
`23:26.52`	`_hugo_`	`dpkg -i e17.deb`
`23:26.53`	`_hugo_`	`<3`
`23:27.17`	`roxville`	`thana uses it ALL the time`
`23:27.23`	`_hugo_`	`but food ftw!`
`23:27.26`	`Thanatermesis`	`http://thana.no-ip.org/shots/e16-horizon.jpg <--- my actual e16`
`23:27.29`	`Thanatermesis`	`stable and beauty`
`23:27.35`	`roxville`	`LinuxNIT also has unlimited RAM`
`23:27.50`	`LinuxNIT-`	`true`
`23:27.58`	`_hugo_`	`hm`
`23:28.02`	`LinuxNIT-`	`6 gig swap ;)`
`23:28.10`	`_hugo_`	`Thanatermesis, what's with the humoungus icons?`
`23:28.23`	`o[WildChild]o`	`Thanatermesis: I like your screen`
`23:28.31`	`Thanatermesis`	`thanks o[WildChild]o :)`
`23:28.36`	`Thanatermesis`	`o[WildChild]o do you like geek screens ?`
`23:28.39`	`LinuxNIT-`	`jk idont have that`
`23:28.43`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt x en es what's with the humoungus icons?`
`23:28.59`	`Thanatermesis`	`_hugo_ is the default icons on engage of e16`
`23:29.02`	`o[WildChild]o`	`Thanatermesis: sure, I like to see screen like me ;)`
`23:29.33`	`LinuxNIT-`	`i like the background Thanatermesis`
`23:29.44`	`Thanatermesis`	`http://elivecd.org/gb/Main/Screenshots/_previews/e16-newlook.jpg.html <--- o[WildChild]o`
`23:29.45`	`roxville`	`o[WildChild]o, you mean "scream", don't you :)`
`23:29.57`	`Thanatermesis`	`yes LinuxNIT, its very good for work :)`
`23:30.05`	`o[WildChild]o`	`roxville: roooh`
`23:30.47`	`Thanatermesis`	`eManu ping`
`23:30.48`	`o[WildChild]o`	`Thanatermesis: really nice"`
`23:30.50`	`o[WildChild]o`	`!`
`23:30.52`	`_hugo_`	`how do i set mozilla-firefox as default internet browser?`
`23:30.54`	`Thanatermesis`	`thanks o[WildChild]o :)`
`23:31.00`	`Thanatermesis`	`just a customized e16 more ;)`
`23:31.14`	`Thanatermesis`	`_hugo_ where is not the default browser ?`
`23:31.17`	`LinuxNIT-`	`i cant move to e16 without killing programs that are running can i?`
`23:31.27`	`o[WildChild]o`	`Thanatermesis: let me show you mine :)`
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`23:32.30`	`eManu`	`Thanatermesis, estoy por aqui, aunque le tengo el sonido quitado al pc :)`
`23:33.19`	`Thanatermesis`	`eManu, estoy poniendo el link en la pagina... e puesto "Thanks to eManu", quieres que ponga algun link o algo ?`
`23:33.38`	`Thanatermesis`	`o[WildChild]o put it on http://thana.no-ip.org/upload`
`23:34.10`	`Thanatermesis`	`LinuxNIT- from e17 i think to no... from e16 to e17 maybe`
`23:34.27`	`LinuxNIT-`	`ok cool just wandered :)`
`23:35.21`	`o[WildChild]o`	`Thanatermesis: how do I upload my screen?`
`23:35.38`	`eManu`	`Thanatermesis estupendo, no es necesario nada mas, que se comparta por la mayor cantidad de medios !!`
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`23:36.35`	`o[WildChild]o`	`Thanatermesis: http://thana.no-ip.org/upload/WildChild.png`
`23:36.36`	`o[WildChild]o`	`:)`
`23:37.41`	`Thanatermesis`	`nice o[WildChild]o :)`
`23:37.49`	`o[WildChild]o`	`thank :)`
`23:38.11`	`o[WildChild]o`	`I code with raster and codewarrior style`
`23:38.17`	`o[WildChild]o`	`but I dont have 1600 :(`
`23:38.28`	`o[WildChild]o`	`soooo , I try to manage my space :)`
`23:38.55`	`Thanatermesis`	`eManu me lo podrias comprobar si funciona ? http://elivecd.org/gb/Download/0.4/`
`23:39.32`	`Thanatermesis`	`o[WildChild]o in E you don't really need big space ;)`
`23:39.59`	`o[WildChild]o`	`Thanatermesis: hehe I know , but I like to have all my work in front of me :)`
`23:41.03`	`Thanatermesis`	`hehe`
`23:41.34`	`eManu`	`Thanatermesis, comprobado, funciona de maravillas...`
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`23:41.50`	`Thanatermesis`	`gracias eManu :)`
`23:41.53`	`Thanatermesis`	`que te parce el mensaje que hay luego ?`
`23:46.09`	`eManu`	`Thanatermesis, perdoname pero soy un poco torpe con el chat, sera la falta de costumbre`
`23:47.05`	`eManu`	`Thanatermesis, no entedi tu ultima pregunta !!`
`23:50.32`	`Thanatermesis`	`despues del link de e2k hay un mensaje acerca de los mirrors de Elive y tal.... que te parece ?`
`23:50.44`	`Thanatermesis`	`a ver si eso motiva a la gente ofrecer mirrors y tal...`
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`23:55.25`	`eManu`	`Thanatermesis, esta claro que expresas tu malestar, pero dudo que sirva para que la gente se comprometa mas :(`
`23:57.00`	`Thanatermesis`	`pues si que vamos bien :/`
`23:57.09`	`Thanatermesis`	`ofreciendo una distro solo por via torrent S`
`23:57.22`	`Thanatermesis`	`y redes p2p :/`
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`23:58.23`	`eManu`	`Thanatermesis, he sido webmaster y cuando dispongo de tiempo programo como afición, y todo el trabajo del soft libre no esta siendo valorado adecuadamente.`
`23:59.11`	`Thanatermesis`	`que habria que hacer pues ?`

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