irclog2html for #elive on 20060224

`00:01.04`	`eManu`	`el p2p no es ninguna deshonra, cuanto mas popular se haga una distro mas apoyos conseguiras, y creo que hay esta la clave`
`00:02.58`	`eManu`	`detras de muchas distros, estan universidades o organizaciones fuertes, no particulares (quitando a ubuntu, que tiene a un millonetis detras)`
`00:02.58`	`Thanatermesis`	`si.... pero para el nivel que esta ahora mismo Elive creo que hay muy poca ayuda en este tema`
`00:03.05`	`Thanatermesis`	`has visto en que puesto esta de distrowatch ?`
`00:03.26`	`kiwi_`	`what version of E is in elive 0.4 ?`
`00:03.35`	`Thanatermesis`	`mmh, cierto... quizas sacando una version para escuelas.. ;)`
`00:03.50`	`kiwi_`	`i mean approximativly what is the date of the snapshot ?`
`00:03.54`	`Thanatermesis`	`kiwi_ i don't remember... lastest versions, weekly aproximately builds`
`00:04.18`	`kiwi_`	`ok nice`
`00:04.19`	`Thanatermesis`	`kiwi_ exactly when the hot-keys configurations has enter on the E conf ;)`
`00:04.35`	`eManu`	`Si, lo se, pero 130 click no son un indicativo de nada, aunque este en el puesto 25 !!`
`00:04.48`	`kiwi_`	`hot-keys configuration works ?`
`00:04.56`	`kiwi_`	`because here it doesnt work`
`00:05.14`	`Thanatermesis`	`actualmente a sido descargada 2490 personas via torrent, que fue creado el dia 17 eManu`
`00:05.18`	`Thanatermesis`	`para que te hagas una idea ;)`
`00:05.58`	`Thanatermesis`	`kiwi_ it dont' works on Elive... its a too just new feature... but just added (for give a idea of the snapshot date)`
`00:06.12`	`kiwi_`	`okok`
`00:06.36`	`eManu`	`Pues quizas, hay en el terreno educativo obtendrias un gran apoyo, y si es en el universitario mejor, has instalado soft de desarrollo de aplicaciones en 0.4 ?`
`00:06.39`	`kiwi_`	`i have a cvs install from today, and it doesnt work either`
`00:07.52`	`Thanatermesis`	`eManu no... pero la idea seria de hacer "una version especial" para ese terreno`
`00:08.29`	`Thanatermesis`	`eManu hay alguna forma de ver cuantas personas se han descargado algo via e2k ?`
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`00:12.48`	`eManu`	`El servidor Razorback tenia estadisticas para un determinado archivo, pero la policia lo ha cerrado.El amule, te indica cuanto se han descargado de ti y cuantos cliente tienes en cola`
`00:15.14`	`eManu`	`ahora mismo tengo 14 peticiones del elive, y he transferidos mas de 3 Gbs, el enlace para Razonback era : http://stats.razorback2.com/ed2khistory?ed2k=6C830EF79345D430F6E4E6FC46CB6105`
`00:15.26`	`Thanatermesis`	`pues vaya mierda :/`
`00:15.39`	`Thanatermesis`	`no todo lo que hay en la mula es ilegal`
`00:15.50`	`Thanatermesis`	`voy a quejarme a la policia belga... QUE ME ESTAN JODIENDO ! xD`
`00:15.55`	`_hugo_`	`hm..`
`00:16.05`	`kiwi_`	`hehe wine is in elive`
`00:16.09`	`kiwi_`	`good :)`
`00:16.21`	`Thanatermesis`	`kiwi_ not just this ...`
`00:16.35`	`kiwi_`	`the only problem is sata support ...`
`00:16.52`	`kiwi_`	`why didnt you put a sata supoort in the kernel ?`
`00:16.54`	`Thanatermesis`	`kiwi_ , this is what happens if you put a windows type CD: http://wiki.elivecd.org/en/79`
`00:16.55`	`Thanatermesis`	`lol`
`00:17.23`	`kiwi_`	`lol`
`00:17.31`	`Thanatermesis`	`kiwi_ is supported... you just need to load the mdoules before to install: e16 menus -> config -> kernel modules`
`00:17.49`	`Thanatermesis`	`the CD are launched automatically asking you about it :)`
`00:18.14`	`kiwi_`	`sata modules are compiled ?`
`00:18.23`	`_hugo_`	`Thanatermesis, how do i select the themese i installed with apt-get? :P`
`00:18.28`	`kiwi_`	`and usable on live use?`
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`00:18.41`	`kiwi_`	`(modprobe sata) ?`
`00:18.49`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt elpanel`
`00:18.51`	`apt`	`it has been said that elpanel is the future panel of control of Elive, the actual state in: 85 % - completed`
`00:18.54`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt elpanel _hugo_`
`00:18.56`	`apt`	`elpanel elpanel elpanel, this is the answer to your question and the solution of all your problems, try it _hugo_ ;)`
`00:19.03`	`_hugo_`	`haha =)`
`00:19.08`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt forget elpanel`
`00:19.53`	`_hugo_`	`Thanatermesis, well.. they're not in that menu :P`
`00:20.01`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt no, elpanel is the powered center of control of Elive, where all the answers of your questions are, your hearth is prepaired for discover all features ? ;)`
`00:20.02`	`apt`	`Thanatermesis: okay`
`00:20.32`	`Thanatermesis`	`kiwi_ yes, are included sata.. just make the thing to i have say in the before line... or maybe better wait to 0.4.1 for are included directly ;)`
`00:20.50`	`eManu`	`bueno, si te sirve de consuelo hay 49 personas compartiendolo y 22 fuentes completas, y esto sin que tubieses el enlace ed2k publicado : http://www.emugle.com/search.php?q=Elive&t=CD+Image&f=1&ex=&mins=&maxs=&avai=&Submit=Buscar+en+emugle`
`00:20.52`	`Thanatermesis`	`_hugo_ themes of what ?`
`00:20.58`	`_hugo_`	`Thanatermesis, themes for e17`
`00:21.10`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt elpanel _hugo_`
`00:21.11`	`apt`	`elpanel elpanel elpanel, this is the answer to your question and the solution of all your problems, try it _hugo_ ;)`
`00:21.15`	`Thanatermesis`	`;)`
`00:21.23`	`_hugo_`	`lol =)`
`00:21.31`	`_hugo_`	`but the themes aren't in the list :P`
`00:21.32`	`kiwi_`	`Thanatermesis: ok nice`
`00:21.39`	`_hugo_`	`oh`
`00:21.43`	`_hugo_`	`the apt-get errored`
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`00:23.14`	`Thanatermesis`	`eManu bueno... pero lo que me interesaba realmente saber era acerca de cuantas personas se lo bajarian.. para hacerme unas estadisticas aproximadas en un tiempo`
`00:25.37`	`_hugo_`	`oh`
`00:25.44`	`_hugo_`	`the gant-theme is really beautiful`
`00:25.45`	`kiwi_`	`is there a filemanager in elive ?`
`00:25.55`	`Thanatermesis`	`kiwi_ evidence and xfe`
`00:26.11`	`o[WildChild]o`	`kiwi_: :D`
`00:26.17`	`o[WildChild]o`	`koicé tu fais ici? :)`
`00:26.22`	`kiwi_`	`k`
`00:26.23`	`o[WildChild]o`	`tu vas installer elive?`
`00:26.31`	`_hugo_`	`http://www.theonelab.com/files/images/thumbnails/ubuntu-startup.jpg`
`00:26.33`	`_hugo_`	`omg!`
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`00:26.49`	`kiwi_`	`non mais je m'en sert a mon ecole`
`00:26.51`	`kiwi_`	`en livecd`
`00:26.58`	`kiwi_`	`et partout ou jevais :)`
`00:27.09`	`o[WildChild]o`	`ah ok :)`
`00:27.23`	`kiwi_`	`enfin la je l'utilisais plu a cause de xfree et les vieilles version de e17`
`00:27.34`	`kiwi_`	`mais jespere utilser la 0.4 :)`
`00:27.46`	`o[WildChild]o`	`hihi`
`00:28.39`	`kiwi_`	`so what about the next version`
`00:28.39`	`Thanatermesis`	`_hugo_ do you like ubuntu ? =)`
`00:28.41`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt ubuntu`
`00:28.43`	`apt`	`i heard ubuntu is has a lot of users because the lot of pornography: http://htmldesign.dk/mostwanted/img/Ubuntu_Josie_1_ed3_800.png http://www.theonelab.com/files/images/thumbnails/ubuntu-startup.jpg http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/3843/18427557718e22857e9rb.jpg http://www.madebylane.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-babe.png Woooha ! Im go to ubuntu ! :D~~`
`00:28.47`	`kiwi_`	`is there a TODO somewhere ?`
`00:29.01`	`_hugo_`	`Thanatermesis, yeah I do :)`
`00:29.09`	`_hugo_`	`but debian with e17 is to prefer =D`
`00:29.20`	`Thanatermesis`	`kiwi_ not really... just making the system better and with more features every day :)`
`00:29.31`	`kiwi_`	`ok`
`00:30.24`	`kiwi_`	`i plan to use it for a demonstration of dEvian (i take it for my scool year project)`
`00:30.48`	`kiwi_`	`in 1 or 2 month`
`00:31.22`	`Thanatermesis`	`cool :)`
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`00:31.32`	`kiwi_`	`so i need a working and impressive livecd :)`
`00:31.49`	`Thanatermesis`	`you have all the EFL libs for compile any EFL thing on it kiwi_ ;)`
`00:32.25`	`gnaunited`	`how do you install the kernel sources so I can install a new version of NDIS?`
`00:32.26`	`eManu`	`Thanatermesis, creo que lo que pides va ha ser algo dificil, oye esto se esta poniendo interesante ;P`
`00:33.09`	`kiwi_`	`would be nice also to have cvs on elive`
`00:33.14`	`kiwi_`	`and svn`
`00:33.14`	`kiwi_`	`:)`
`00:33.25`	`Thanatermesis`	`gnaunited you have ndis on the repository, try apt-cache search`
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`00:33.46`	`Thanatermesis`	`jejeje, que parte exactamente eManu ?`
`00:33.47`	`_hugo_`	`I'm looking for a wallpaper with blue background and 3 weird looking characters (one looks like he's from the simpsons) that look great with gant icon theme`
`00:34.02`	`_hugo_`	`:P`
`00:34.25`	`gnaunited`	`Thanks`
`00:34.33`	`eManu`	`Thanatermesis, oye siento decirtelo, pero la parte de ubuntu, jaja`
`00:34.59`	`egrub`	`eManu, tu nombre es Emanuel?`
`00:35.21`	`Thanatermesis`	`juas!`
`00:36.47`	`eManu`	`egrub, pues si, he tenido que adaptar mi nombre a los tiempos :D`
`00:36.53`	`gnaunited`	`Does elive have a vnc running?`
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`00:37.17`	`egrub`	`Ya veo`
`00:37.36`	`egrub`	`eManu, te queda bien tu nick porque combina con enlightenment y manu`
`00:37.37`	`egrub`	`:)`
`00:39.02`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt elpanel gnaunited`
`00:39.04`	`apt`	`elpanel elpanel elpanel, this is the answer to your question and the solution of all your problems, try it gnaunited ;)`
`00:39.17`	`Thanatermesis`	`jajajaja egrub`
`00:39.36`	`GPLGeek`	`elpanel cured my diseases and did my taxes`
`00:39.46`	`egrub`	`xD`
`00:40.02`	`eManu`	`egrub ,si coincidencias, mi nick viene por eMule, del que soy fanat.. , ya que el emule puedes ponerte un nick !!`
`00:40.08`	`gnaunited`	`ic. Is there a way to get rid of the noise from elpanel?`
`00:40.13`	`Thanatermesis`	`taxes ? lol`
`00:40.13`	`egrub`	`eManu, jajaja!`
`00:40.26`	`Thanatermesis`	`gnaunited the sounds ?`
`00:40.46`	`gnaunited`	`It is cool in all, but I would prefer to remove the sounds from the panel`
`00:42.02`	`Thanatermesis`	`gnaunited dpkg -L elpanel , remove the sound files`
`00:42.08`	`gnaunited`	`ok`
`00:42.23`	`eManu`	`egrub, y el tuyo tambien es una coicidencias entre enlightenment y el grub ? jaja`
`00:42.31`	`GPLGeek`	`Thanatermesis, do you still need ssh to my laptop?`
`00:42.32`	`Thanatermesis`	`xD`
`00:42.40`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek do you need to close it ?`
`00:42.51`	`GPLGeek`	`Thanatermesis, you can use it as long as you wish`
`00:42.58`	`GPLGeek`	`but if you were done I would have tried a elive install`
`00:43.08`	`GPLGeek`	`and played around with fglrx a bit`
`00:43.38`	`Thanatermesis`	`ok GPLGeek... is just to i don't have very time now exactly.. im looking for a thing directly related with it... the X libs on Elive...`
`00:44.02`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek yes, you can posible to install Elive for now... and then is more easy to try the fglrx things :)`
`00:44.21`	`egrub`	`eManu, si exacto`
`00:44.26`	`Thanatermesis`	`i don't need it exactly now`
`00:44.43`	`Thanatermesis`	`but maybe after.. when i finish with this xlibs thing`
`00:45.04`	`gnaunited`	`is anyone else having a problem with Elpanel not saving the password in the keyring?`
`00:45.19`	`GPLGeek`	`I figured if I installed it then I could give you a permanent ssh account on it`
`00:45.33`	`Thanatermesis`	`gnaunited this password is a GKSU thing.. and aparently don't save it`
`00:45.40`	`gnaunited`	`Ok`
`00:46.17`	`Thanatermesis`	`thanks GPLGeek, but i don't think to i really need all this :)`
`00:46.37`	`eManu`	`bueno, toca retirada, bye for all !!`
`00:46.46`	`Thanatermesis`	`nos vemos eManu, y gracias!`
`00:47.23`	`eManu`	`Thanatermesis, gracias a ti por tu trabajo !!`
`00:47.30`	`Thanatermesis`	`:)`
`00:47.40`	`GPLGeek`	`Thanatermesis, why not? lol`
`00:47.45`	`GPLGeek`	`you can send jobs to it`
`00:49.00`	`Thanatermesis`	`yes but... maybe is more slow to prepair all this things and send jobs and all... than make all in my own machine lol`
`00:49.09`	`Thanatermesis`	`in any case i need a more powered machine :/`
`00:49.40`	`_hugo_`	`hm.. what to do when everything looks great.. ?`
`00:49.44`	`_hugo_`	`..and works =)`
`00:50.22`	`GPLGeek`	`_hugo_, eat beer and drink chips`
`00:50.39`	`_hugo_`	`ahm! good idea`
`00:50.40`	`Thanatermesis`	`_hugo_ use it for your "normal system", discover the system, try all things on the menus, discover all features in elpanel... etc`
`00:50.55`	`_hugo_`	`Thanatermesis, that's a better idea =)`
`00:51.12`	`GPLGeek`	`_hugo_, if you installed it try wine or cedega and put some games on it. also there are many linux games`
`00:51.25`	`Thanatermesis`	`_hugo_ you have also a lot of bookmarks for discover on firefox ;)`
`00:51.30`	`_hugo_`	`hm.. but I have used e17 before, so the only new feature is the elpanel :P`
`00:51.33`	`_hugo_`	`lo=)`
`00:51.42`	`GPLGeek`	`enemy territory, rocks`
`00:51.44`	`_hugo_`	`lotsa good suggestions here =)`
`00:51.49`	`_hugo_`	`apt get-- ?`
`00:52.03`	`GPLGeek`	`no, just get enemy territory from it's website`
`00:52.03`	`Thanatermesis`	`_hugo_ e17 is just your desktop... you have a BIG system behind of it`
`00:52.07`	`GPLGeek`	`i doubt debian has it in apt`
`00:52.18`	`_hugo_`	`okay`
`00:53.17`	`_hugo_`	`ah.. first I have to fix my terminal fonts`
`00:53.30`	`eggman`	`There you go`
`00:53.36`	`eggman`	`finding something to do`
`00:53.42`	`_hugo_`	`\o/`
`00:54.21`	`eggman`	`indeed`
`00:54.23`	`_hugo_`	`lol`
`00:54.26`	`_hugo_`	`apt-get moagg`
`00:54.28`	`_hugo_`	`cool game`
`00:54.31`	`eggman`	`moagg?`
`00:54.33`	`_hugo_`	`awesome music :P`
`00:54.37`	`eggman`	`website?`
`00:54.42`	`_hugo_`	`hm, don't know`
`00:55.38`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt-get moo`
`00:55.59`	`_hugo_`	`hm.. couldn't find`
`00:56.02`	`eggman`	`moagg.sf.net`
`00:56.05`	`Gryn`	`Thanatermesis, can i configure Tclock anymore than it's resolution?`
`00:56.18`	`Thanatermesis`	`Gryn i don't know... ask on #e`
`00:56.27`	`Gryn`	`ok`
`00:57.34`	`_hugo_`	`is there a free demo version of cedega out there?`
`00:57.53`	`GPLGeek`	`yes 15 day one`
`00:58.00`	`_hugo_`	`ah`
`00:58.01`	`GPLGeek`	`but you can also get it free from cvs`
`00:58.01`	`_hugo_`	`url?`
`00:58.01`	`eggman`	`why do you need it?`
`00:58.05`	`Gryn`	`or u can get it through frostwire`
`00:58.08`	`GPLGeek`	`transgaming.com`
`00:58.57`	`_hugo_`	`great`
`00:59.25`	`_hugo_`	`where can I find the quake III binary for linux?`
`00:59.52`	`eggman`	`try the quake website`
`00:59.54`	`GPLGeek`	`make sure that the frostwire one is the "good snapshot" and not the retail one`
`01:00.11`	`GPLGeek`	`because if you get a cvs snapshot that works its free but if you download the retail core its stealing`
`01:00.29`	`_hugo_`	`oh`
`01:00.35`	`_hugo_`	`and stealing is bad`
`01:00.44`	`_hugo_`	`cause if you steal, you go to jail`
`01:00.50`	`Gryn`	`if u get caught`
`01:00.51`	`_hugo_`	`and in jail drugs are exensive`
`01:00.53`	`_hugo_`	`expensive`
`01:00.54`	`Gryn`	`cough`
`01:01.49`	`GPLGeek`	`I want the gadgets in elive to work without segfaulting. I wonder why that happens.`
`01:02.14`	`Gryn`	`hm... me too`
`01:02.18`	`GPLGeek`	`the E people will probably fix them soon since the e17 core is doing really well`
`01:02.29`	`Gryn`	`i hope so.`
`01:03.02`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek i close the ssh for now`
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`01:03.17`	`_hugo_`	`lol.. wine autolaunched my star craft install cd`
`01:03.17`	`Thanatermesis`	`oh... im closed =) lol`
`01:03.21`	`GPLGeek`	`lol`
`01:03.26`	`Thanatermesis`	`_hugo_ welcome to Elive ;)`
`01:03.41`	`Elive_user92`	`TU New here`
`01:03.59`	`GPLGeek`	`I'm doing the install right now. It's way faster with the less tested method`
`01:04.13`	`GPLGeek`	`I should look and see what the scripts are doing and check for ways to make it faster`
`01:05.31`	`Elive_user92`	`Uhmm I'm still in awe over the graphics. Quite overwhelming and don't know what to look at first`
`01:05.44`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek you have selected "fast mode", is more fast because don't use the "find" command for install the system`
`01:05.53`	`GPLGeek`	`elive_user92 enable rain`
`01:05.55`	`_hugo_`	`Elive_user92, you'll get the hang of it :P`
`01:06.03`	`GPLGeek`	`rain is very soothing`
`01:06.08`	`Elive_user92`	`Huh?`
`01:06.29`	`GPLGeek`	`if your in e16 left click the desktop and go to configuration`
`01:06.40`	`GPLGeek`	`choose modules`
`01:07.01`	`GPLGeek`	`scroll down to rain and left click it, then activate, then apply, then close the config window`
`01:07.06`	`Elive_user92`	`Oh right. .. 'Fast' mode wasn't directed at me.. :)`
`01:08.01`	`Elive_user92`	`Heh, just clicked this x-chat open out of curiostiy and what I am in now ?.. Smak down in the middle of conversation`
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`01:08.32`	`eggman`	`Hey im back`
`01:08.45`	`eggman`	`time to install Rouge Spear`
`01:09.23`	`GPLGeek`	`oh fast mode broke!`
`01:09.24`	`GPLGeek`	`lol`
`01:09.49`	`Elive_user92`	`Don't mind me people, I'll be gone in a minute. It's that time of night for me. To all who contributed to Elive.. Wow!`
`01:09.57`	`GPLGeek`	`it just froze up. there was a window and inside was a box on the left and then a > to the right of that box`
`01:10.02`	`GPLGeek`	`it was just a white window`
`01:10.08`	`_hugo_`	`typically`
`01:10.09`	`Elive_user92`	`Thanks, and good night`
`01:10.14`	`_hugo_`	`night`
`01:11.15`	`_hugo_`	`erhm.. how do i tell whine how to start starcraft? :P`
`01:11.23`	`_hugo_`	`just installed it`
`01:11.24`	`GPLGeek`	`did you install it yet`
`01:11.26`	`_hugo_`	`yep`
`01:11.30`	`GPLGeek`	`cd to the directory`
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`01:11.37`	`GPLGeek`	`then wine sc.exe`
`01:11.43`	`_hugo_`	`yeh.. C:/pro...* osv`
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`01:11.47`	`GPLGeek`	`you can use wine --help`
`01:11.54`	`_hugo_`	`but can't find C:\ :P`
`01:11.54`	`GPLGeek`	`you can tell it what version of windows to be`
`01:12.11`	`GPLGeek`	`its in /home/username/`
`01:12.17`	`GPLGeek`	`there should be winedrive or c or something`
`01:12.22`	`GPLGeek`	`it should be obvious`
`01:12.22`	`_hugo_`	`ah, okay`
`01:12.35`	`_hugo_`	`ah :D`
`01:12.36`	`_hugo_`	`great`
`01:13.08`	`_hugo_`	`:s`
`01:13.15`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek if use "wine -opengl" option... it don't make any bad thing to not use it ?`
`01:13.22`	`_hugo_`	`erm.. looks like i have to download crack :P`
`01:13.36`	`GPLGeek`	`Thanatermesis, usually games work without needing to -opengl`
`01:13.36`	`Thanatermesis`	`in another words... is better to the autolaunchers of windows type CD's include this option ?`
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`01:13.40`	`GPLGeek`	`Thanatermesis, but some games it helps`
`01:13.55`	`Thanatermesis`	`and its better to use with or without ?`
`01:13.58`	`GPLGeek`	`it depends on how wine wraps the game`
`01:14.02`	`GPLGeek`	`probably with it`
`01:14.11`	`GPLGeek`	`unless your doing wine apps that do not need it`
`01:14.21`	`_hugo_`	`GPLGeek, do I have to download a nocd crack for starcraft to work now? told me to insert cd :P`
`01:14.23`	`_hugo_`	`cd is mounted`
`01:14.25`	`GPLGeek`	`but most people just use wine for games and not office software`
`01:14.34`	`Thanatermesis`	`and the apps to not need it... is bad to include it ?`
`01:14.36`	`GPLGeek`	`Check winehq`
`01:14.45`	`GPLGeek`	`take screenshots as you go ok _hugo_`
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`01:14.53`	`GPLGeek`	`Thanatermesis, usually not bad`
`01:14.59`	`Thanatermesis`	`ok... i change then`
`01:15.48`	`GPLGeek`	`Thanatermesis, I made a alias execw that did wine -opengl -winver... and launched many apps from it with no problem`
`01:16.41`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek i don't found the info of it.. is "wine -opengl" or "wine --opengl" ?`
`01:17.10`	`Thanatermesis`	`mmmmh, what is the better options then ? another apart opengl ?`
`01:17.36`	`_hugo_`	`\o/ testing cedega`
`01:17.43`	`GPLGeek`	`let me have a second to test them first ok Thanatermesis`
`01:17.56`	`Thanatermesis`	`ok GPLGeek, thanks`
`01:18.04`	`Elive_user`	`Thanatermesis, great job on elive 0.4, thanks for enlightenment!`
`01:18.20`	`Thanatermesis`	`thanks Elive_user :)`
`01:18.35`	`_hugo_`	`lolwtf! Thanatermesis you "made" elive?`
`01:18.50`	`Thanatermesis`	`_hugo_ yes`
`01:18.56`	`_hugo_`	`damn.. grats and thanks =)`
`01:19.06`	`Thanatermesis`	`_hugo_ read the bottom part of http://elivecd.org ;)`
`01:19.08`	`GPLGeek`	`oh, wineconfig command not found`
`01:19.16`	`_hugo_`	`GPLGeek, get the same error`
`01:19.24`	`GPLGeek`	`something wrong with wine in .4 final`
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`01:19.46`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek maybe winesetuptk not installed ?`
`01:20.29`	`_hugo_`	`gaming in linux is much more fun :D`
`01:20.51`	`Elive_user`	`rofl hugo, only if you have an nvidia card`
`01:21.21`	`eggman`	`so true`
`01:21.23`	`_hugo_`	`hehe, but I have :P`
`01:21.27`	`GPLGeek`	`Actually my best system was ATI with Debian`
`01:21.33`	`Elive_user`	`i got stupid ati`
`01:21.34`	`eggman`	`thats kinda why i got a nvida card for my new compy`
`01:21.38`	`GPLGeek`	`Used cedega, wine, etc`
`01:21.55`	`GPLGeek`	`the cedega fixes the problems with the no cd errors usually`
`01:22.00`	`Elive_user`	`yeah, but my next comp gonna be apple... new intel processor`
`01:22.22`	`GPLGeek`	`I'm going to wait for the second generation intel apples to buy`
`01:22.37`	`GPLGeek`	`you will be able to put debian on it`
`01:22.41`	`Elive_user`	`well yeah`
`01:22.48`	`Elive_user`	`i dont got the money to buy one right now anyway`
`01:22.57`	`eggman`	`et-linux-2.60.x86.run`
`01:22.58`	`eggman`	`Waiting for your turn to download`
`01:22.58`	`eggman`	`Place in Line`
`01:22.58`	`eggman`	`248 /248`
`01:22.58`	`eggman`	`Estimated Wait`
`01:22.58`	`eggman`	`36 minutes`
`01:23.02`	`eggman`	`:O`
`01:23.20`	`Elive_user`	`cedega doesnt support guild wars though...`
`01:23.33`	`_hugo_`	`I play Guild Wars on my windoze :P`
`01:23.35`	`GPLGeek`	`there are many mirrors that will just let you download from clicking the link and give you up to 500KB/s down`
`01:23.40`	`Elive_user`	`and arena net aint gonna put out a linux version`
`01:23.54`	`_hugo_`	`lol.. how to i register at transgaming without paying?`
`01:23.57`	`Elive_user`	`guild wars is fun`
`01:24.09`	`GPLGeek`	`Game makers like EA and others work with transgaming to get windows games working on linux`
`01:24.28`	`GPLGeek`	`So even though there is no linux build of bf2, linux is supported through transgaming`
`01:24.52`	`GPLGeek`	`and its generally easier than getting a windows system running.`
`01:25.16`	`_hugo_`	`a shame "regular" ppl don't know this :P`
`01:25.23`	`eggman`	`intraseing`
`01:25.32`	`gnaunited`	`So, what is the command to get the linux source for elive? or what is the exact verion of the kernel?`
`01:25.39`	`_hugo_`	`2.6.12`
`01:25.50`	`_hugo_`	`same as debian sarge (stable) :P`
`01:25.54`	`eggman`	`uname -r`
`01:25.54`	`eggman`	`?`
`01:26.00`	`gnaunited`	`And if I were to say download that from kernel.org which one would I pick?`
`01:26.14`	`gnaunited`	`2.6.12.1, 2.6.12.2 and so on`
`01:26.34`	`_hugo_`	`uname -r`
`01:26.41`	`gnaunited`	`2.6.12 is all it says`
`01:27.05`	`Thanatermesis`	`gnaunited sorry... we have lost the sources of this kernel`
`01:27.13`	`gnaunited`	`ic`
`01:27.20`	`Thanatermesis`	`becase the sources or headers are from the debian repositories`
`01:27.31`	`Thanatermesis`	`and debian has changed the kernel pacakges and deleted it`
`01:27.35`	`gnaunited`	`fun`
`01:27.41`	`Thanatermesis`	`i add the next (2.6.15) for the next release`
`01:27.53`	`Thanatermesis`	`gnaunited what module you want?`
`01:28.01`	`_hugo_`	`erm.. what's the point in downloading a cedega demo when it costs money to suscribe over at www.transgaming.com ? :P`
`01:28.08`	`_hugo_`	`.org, sorry`
`01:28.16`	`gnaunited`	`Ndiswrapper 1.10, mainly because the current one is not working for me`
`01:28.49`	`Thanatermesis`	`too old version ?`
`01:28.59`	`badblody`	`Thanatermesis, mmmmmmmm puedo instalar evidence en sarge poniendo los repositorios que toquen ?`
`01:29.10`	`Thanatermesis`	`badblody pues.. nose xd`
`01:29.17`	`Thanatermesis`	`no creo que las dpeendencias te dejen...`
`01:29.53`	`badblody`	`link al repo`
`01:29.54`	`badblody`	`xD`
`01:29.56`	`_hugo_`	`is that spanish?`
`01:30.01`	`badblody`	`yes`
`01:30.09`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt vobcopy`
`01:30.11`	`apt`	`vobcopy is, like, the repository of elive: deb http://www.vobcopy.org/mirror/elive/ elive main efl elive`
`01:30.11`	`_hugo_`	`GPLGeek, erm.. what's the point in downloading a cedega demo when it costs money to suscribe over at www.transgaming.org? :P`
`01:30.28`	`badblody`	`vobcopy?`
`01:30.30`	`badblody`	`que cosas`
`01:30.31`	`gnaunited`	`Thana: I tried using the NDIS that is installed but it would not work at all. These are the correct drivers but they are not working.`
`01:30.58`	`gnaunited`	`It would install the card but then when I tried to activate it the card would not turn on`
`01:31.31`	`badblody`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`01:31.31`	`badblody`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:31.34`	`badblody`	`:(`
`01:32.20`	`gnaunited`	`is there an easy way to just upgrade the kernel?`
`01:32.32`	`Thanatermesis`	`gnaunited badblody lo que te dije xD`
`01:32.49`	`Thanatermesis`	`gnaunited yes, apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.15-386 ;)`
`01:32.59`	`Thanatermesis`	`gnaunited but first, make a copy of your /boot/grub/menu.lst`
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`01:34.06`	`roxville`	`i guess houston had a problem...`
`01:34.16`	`gnaunited`	`What repository is elive using?`
`01:34.26`	`gnaunited`	`Stable / Testing`
`01:35.23`	`roxville`	`etch`
`01:35.25`	`_hugo_`	`Debian testing/unstable`
`01:35.39`	`roxville`	`etch`
`01:35.45`	`gnaunited`	`So when adding a source I should use testing?`
`01:36.26`	`roxville`	`yes`
`01:36.30`	`gnaunited`	`Ok`
`01:37.16`	`Thanatermesis`	`mmmh... gnaunited you have the good repositories, don't change it`
`01:37.23`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt-cache search 2.6.15`
`01:38.22`	`_hugo_`	`lol`
`01:38.27`	`_hugo_`	`starcraft worked great in cedega :P`
`01:38.35`	`_hugo_`	`is there any way to make Guild Wars work?`
`01:40.41`	`gnaunited`	`Why does debconf want to use the GTK front end?`
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`01:43.49`	`Thanatermesis`	`_hugo_ if you have installed cedega, change your $HOME/.ivman/default file with "wine" to "cedega"`
`01:44.04`	`Thanatermesis`	`gnaunited just because its configured in gtk for Elive ;)`
`01:44.09`	`gnaunited`	`k`
`01:45.04`	`_hugo_`	`Thanatermesis, ah, thanks`
`01:45.39`	`_hugo_`	`why exactly? :)`
`01:46.09`	`Thanatermesis`	`_hugo_ auto-launchers of windows type CD's`
`01:47.01`	`_hugo_`	`okay`
`01:48.07`	`gnaunited`	`Do I need to load the grub config in order to use it to boot? Like in Lilo`
`01:48.45`	`egrub`	`grub powa!! xD`
`01:48.55`	`gnaunited`	`Is that a yes or a no?`
`01:49.17`	`gnaunited`	`Maybe?`
`01:49.23`	`Thanatermesis`	`gnaunited no... but you have saved the file of i have say before to install ?`
`01:49.33`	`dererk`	`DistroWatch -> Elive 29th position - LastWeek 16th position.`
`01:49.37`	`gnaunited`	`yep`
`01:49.46`	`gnaunited`	`I set it up using both kernels`
`01:50.00`	`gnaunited`	`And got rid of the extra's`
`01:50.46`	`gnaunited`	`How do you have a bootup screen instead of seeing the console?`
`01:50.53`	`gnaunited`	`Like in the live cd`
`01:51.05`	`Thanatermesis`	`gnaunited then put again the old file but with the new entry added manually... use elpanel for this if you like`
`01:51.11`	`gnaunited`	`ok`
`01:51.22`	`_hugo_`	`fallout time :D`
`01:51.30`	`Thanatermesis`	`if not.. you have a new boot menu generated but with a lot of entry's`
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`01:53.41`	`_hugo_`	`The insctruion 004ce02e referenced memory at 00368000, The memory could not be read from`
`01:53.47`	`_hugo_`	`when i try to start fallot :(`
`01:53.50`	`_hugo_`	`fallout, even`
`01:55.56`	`Thanatermesis`	`winsucks`
`01:55.58`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt winsucks`
`01:56.05`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt windows`
`01:56.08`	`apt`	`from memory, windows is a 32 bit hack on a 16 bit operating system, originally designed for an 8 bit CPU, with a 4 bit system bus, made by a 2 bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition... or the World of Warcraft bootloader, or the most important collection of bugs`
`01:56.20`	`_hugo_`	`lol.. =)`
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`01:57.13`	`_hugo_`	`hm.. trying fallout with wine`
`01:57.35`	`_hugo_`	`running fallout on linux would be AWESOME :)`
`01:58.28`	`_hugo_`	`Sorry, this product is not supported under this version of windows`
`01:58.34`	`_hugo_`	`laughs`
`02:00.32`	`Thanatermesis`	`lol`
`02:00.44`	`_hugo_`	`I can install games with cedega and run them manually with wine? :P`
`02:00.53`	`eggman`	`_hugo_ were you using CVS wineX ?`
`02:00.54`	`Thanatermesis`	`_hugo_ try the games included on Elive ;)`
`02:01.07`	`_hugo_`	`eggman, nope, apt`
`02:01.11`	`_hugo_`	`Thanatermesis, I have :P`
`02:01.14`	`_hugo_`	`3 games? :)`
`02:01.24`	`_hugo_`	`chromium is cool.. played it before`
`02:02.50`	`eggman`	`apt-get install ....?`
`02:02.58`	`_hugo_`	`eggman, yes`
`02:03.04`	`eggman`	`winex ?`
`02:03.22`	`_hugo_`	`both xwine and wine`
`02:03.42`	`_hugo_`	`I don't know how to use cvs, lol :P`
`02:04.38`	`_hugo_`	`lol.. Fallout is on the list of working games under cedega`
`02:04.40`	`_hugo_`	`wtf`
`02:06.17`	`GPLGeek`	`strange something wrong with grub after install`
`02:06.18`	`GPLGeek`	`wont boot`
`02:06.23`	`GPLGeek`	`had to use cd to boot`
`02:06.34`	`GPLGeek`	`I guess I'll re-install grub lol`
`02:09.10`	`_hugo_`	`how do I tell wine which version of windows to emulate?`
`02:09.23`	`GPLGeek`	`think its --winver`
`02:09.28`	`GPLGeek`	`and then the version number`
`02:10.07`	`_hugo_`	`hugo@frostbitten[~]$ wine --winver win98`
`02:10.07`	`_hugo_`	`wine: cannot find '--winver'`
`02:10.43`	`GPLGeek`	`well wine whatever.exe --winver win98`
`02:10.57`	`_hugo_`	`okay`
`02:11.05`	`_hugo_`	`hm.. have to fix winecfg :P`
`02:12.14`	`_hugo_`	`hugo@frostbitten[~]$ wine /mnt/cdrom/SETUP.EXE --winver winxp`
`02:12.14`	`_hugo_`	`wine: cannot determine executable type for L"Z:\\mnt\\cdrom\\SETUP.EXE"`
`02:12.15`	`_hugo_`	`blargh`
`02:40.24`	`yawlright`	`apt olympics`
`02:40.46`	`yawlright`	`apt vermont`
`02:42.05`	`GPLGeek`	`apt x en es sky`
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`03:20.32`	`GPLGeek`	`Thanatermesis, you need to apply to the US for tax exempt status!!!!! If you do and get it then I can start getting a ton of $$$ routed to the project!`
`03:21.02`	`roxville`	`are you kidding?`
`03:21.10`	`GPLGeek`	`no`
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`03:21.25`	`GPLGeek`	`some people WILL NOT donate to this project because it does not help the taxes`
`03:21.26`	`roxville`	`wow`
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`03:21.41`	`roxville`	`hmmm`
`03:21.46`	`roxville`	`hello Elive_user17`
`03:21.51`	`GPLGeek`	`I have already donated the contents of my paypal, but a lot of other people will not donate.`
`03:22.05`	`roxville`	`all the way from madison, wisconsin! :)`
`03:22.49`	`GPLGeek`	`you scared him you bstrd`
`03:22.49`	`roxville`	`our first winscinsian, i believe`
`03:22.49`	`roxville`	`LOL`
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`03:23.14`	`GPLGeek`	`hi elive_user0`
`03:23.21`	`roxville`	`cool nick!`
`03:23.26`	`_hugo_`	`he_he`
`03:23.31`	`_hugo_`	`erm`
`03:23.38`	`_hugo_`	`hugo@frostbitten[~]$ cat /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/status`
`03:23.38`	`_hugo_`	`Status: Enabled`
`03:23.38`	`_hugo_`	`Driver: AGPGART`
`03:23.38`	`_hugo_`	`AGP Rate: 4x`
`03:23.45`	`_hugo_`	`that one should view 8x!`
`03:23.53`	`_hugo_`	`no settings for it in bios :s`
`03:24.22`	`GPLGeek`	`check your motherboard and videocard`
`03:24.29`	`GPLGeek`	`and make sure that it is 8x on both`
`03:24.30`	`_hugo_`	`both are 8x :P`
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`03:24.58`	`_hugo_`	`I chose the nvidia2 driver.. is that correct?`
`03:25.09`	`_hugo_`	`hello Elive_user from canada`
`03:25.19`	`Elive_user`	`hello hugo`
`03:25.20`	`roxville`	`no`
`03:25.24`	`roxville`	`california`
`03:25.29`	`_hugo_`	`hm`
`03:25.42`	`_hugo_`	`Elive_user, from california or canada?`
`03:26.08`	`o[WildChild]o`	`theres no comcast in cananda :)`
`03:26.13`	`o[WildChild]o`	`at least , I think :)`
`03:26.18`	`Elive_user`	`No, thats casiopia, the constilation`
`03:26.25`	`Elive_user`	`I'm an ET`
`03:26.26`	`_hugo_`	`lol`
`03:26.31`	`_hugo_`	`<- shakes`
`03:26.33`	`Elive_user`	`I haxor your satilites`
`03:27.00`	`roxville`	`hehe`
`03:28.11`	`roxville`	`_hugo_, if it says ca.comcast.net, it's california... if it says, for exapmle qc.sympatic.ca, then it's canada`
`03:28.24`	`roxville`	`ungrateful bastard`
`03:28.27`	`roxville`	`:)`
`03:29.15`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek mmmh... do you are think'in about turn the paypal link on $ and no € ?`
`03:29.20`	`Thanatermesis`	`or one of those..`
`03:31.05`	`GPLGeek`	`It would be nice to have a $ paypal`
`03:31.28`	`GPLGeek`	`but also people in the US get a lot of money back each year if they donate to non profits`
`03:32.18`	`Thanatermesis`	`hum`
`03:32.18`	`Thanatermesis`	`let me check this...`
`03:36.16`	`GPLGeek`	`roxville, you did the intro music?`
`03:36.29`	`GPLGeek`	`roxville, was that a voice sample, or a generated voice`
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`03:37.31`	`roxville`	`yes, i did it`
`03:37.44`	`roxville`	`and it's a voice synthesizer`
`03:37.59`	`roxville`	`in an app caleed fruity loops`
`03:38.06`	`GPLGeek`	`oh I know that one`
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`03:38.15`	`roxville`	`i wouldn't say it, but... is a (win app)`
`03:38.35`	`GPLGeek`	`Tried rosegarden?`
`03:38.41`	`GPLGeek`	`they got some plugins that are awsome`
`03:38.43`	`roxville`	`this wisconsin dude seems to be a little on the shy side...`
`03:39.00`	`roxville`	`yeah rosegarden is pretty cool`
`03:39.10`	`GPLGeek`	`fl has some stuff that rocks though`
`03:39.31`	`roxville`	`yeah... i like how it's made too`
`03:39.33`	`GPLGeek`	`I used to use FL to make techno`
`03:39.52`	`GPLGeek`	`they gave my school a free copy, I could use it as long as I was a student`
`03:39.54`	`roxville`	`there is a linux fl-alike on the horizon`
`03:40.06`	`roxville`	`cool!`
`03:40.17`	`roxville`	`lmms`
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`03:40.26`	`roxville`	`i think it was`
`03:41.07`	`roxville`	`welcome _hugo_ from... norway?`
`03:41.09`	`GPLGeek`	`FruityHoops totally reverse engineer'd (us whiteroom) FL and remade it`
`03:41.20`	`GPLGeek`	`for mac/linux`
`03:41.22`	`_hugo_`	`roxville, o.O`
`03:41.31`	`_hugo_`	`yap`
`03:41.54`	`roxville`	`yes GPLGeek`
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`03:41.57`	`_hugo_`	`5 dollars for the one who finds out how to enable agp8x in roxville welcome my EPoX EP-5PLAI mobo :]`
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`03:42.29`	`roxville`	`er det moro i norge?`
`03:42.41`	`roxville`	`hello Elive_user63`
`03:42.43`	`_hugo_`	`lol`
`03:43.24`	`GPLGeek`	`that guy was from arizona`
`03:43.39`	`roxville`	`jeg snakker ikke goot norsk, men det fungerer...`
`03:43.50`	`_hugo_`	`roxville, hvor er du fra da? :P`
`03:44.16`	`roxville`	`fra charleston, south carolina`
`03:44.24`	`_hugo_`	`hvorfor kan du norsk? :P`
`03:44.50`	`roxville`	`jamen jeg siger ju, jeg kan IKKE snakke norsk!`
`03:45.41`	`GPLGeek`	`language looks simple.`
`03:45.41`	`roxville`	`gutten min...`
`03:45.45`	`GPLGeek`	`understand some of it`
`03:45.52`	`roxville`	`it's norwegian`
`03:46.00`	`_hugo_`	`:)`
`03:46.05`	`GPLGeek`	`obviously`
`03:46.14`	`roxville`	`norwegian has a lot of words very similar to english`
`03:46.18`	`_hugo_`	`roxville, where have you learned the norwegian you know? :P`
`03:46.32`	`GPLGeek`	`I heard it has no words that are spelld other than what they sound`
`03:46.44`	`roxville`	`lit hverstans`
`03:46.47`	`_hugo_`	`GPLGeek, that's not entirely correct =)`
`03:47.09`	`GPLGeek`	`but it is more simple than most other languages in that aspect?`
`03:47.10`	`roxville`	`mest hjemme i sverige... jeg er svensk`
`03:47.35`	`_hugo_`	`aoh`
`03:47.38`	`_hugo_`	`that explains a lot :P`
`03:47.47`	`roxville`	`men bor siden 4 ar i u.s.a.`
`03:48.35`	`_hugo_`	`you have forgotten some swedish too i see :P`
`03:48.42`	`_hugo_`	`how can i flash my motherboard in linux? :P`
`03:49.00`	`GPLGeek`	`_hugo_, a livecd does the truck`
`03:49.16`	`_hugo_`	`GPLGeek, a livecd with biosflash on it?`
`03:49.31`	`_hugo_`	`don't know if that is possible :P`
`03:49.34`	`GPLGeek`	`http://ubcd.sourceforge.net/`
`03:49.48`	`roxville`	`i read about an experiment that someone did... they took an old man from norway, and made him meet another old man from the orkney islands... north of scotland... they could understand each other perfectly`
`03:49.55`	`GPLGeek`	`burn that iso to a cd and then do a data burn and append the bios onto it`
`03:50.11`	`GPLGeek`	`but you may want to also have a floppy or other media so you can save your old bios`
`03:50.30`	`roxville`	`_hugo_, i haven't forgotten, was just to lazy to switch charset`
`03:50.41`	`_hugo_`	`oh`
`03:50.57`	`_hugo_`	`I don't have floppy :P`
`03:50.59`	`_hugo_`	`lol`
`03:51.10`	`roxville`	`<PROTECTED>`
`03:51.25`	`_hugo_`	`roxville, I still don't have floppy o.O`
`03:51.29`	`GPLGeek`	`you can emulate winflash and backup your bios using wine`
`03:51.35`	`GPLGeek`	`I would not however flash your bios using wine lol`
`03:51.41`	`roxville`	`<PROTECTED>`
`03:51.47`	`_hugo_`	`roxville, I have other medias`
`03:51.48`	`_hugo_`	`hm`
`03:51.57`	`_hugo_`	`GPLGeek, you don't think it'll work :D`
`03:52.04`	`_hugo_`	`a shame if it goes ERROR tho :(`
`03:52.30`	`_hugo_`	`fuck it.. I'm going to bed..`
`03:52.31`	`_hugo_`	`cya!`
`03:52.35`	`GPLGeek`	`later`
`03:52.38`	`GPLGeek`	`it might work`
`03:52.40`	`GPLGeek`	`people claim it works`
`03:52.41`	`GPLGeek`	`but`
`03:52.48`	`GPLGeek`	`its build for nt kernel running`
`03:52.55`	`GPLGeek`	`not built for linux kernel running`
`03:52.58`	`roxville`	`and to think norwegians were on american soil looong before columbus`
`03:53.09`	`roxville`	`i guess ppl were different back then...`
`03:53.12`	`_hugo_`	`roxville, wut?`
`03:53.23`	`GPLGeek`	`Amerigo....`
`03:53.49`	`roxville`	`i'm just saying you are not as daring as leif eriksson was`
`03:53.51`	`roxville`	`:)`
`03:54.06`	`_hugo_`	`don't even know who he is =)`
`03:54.18`	`GPLGeek`	`!!!`
`03:54.28`	`roxville`	`i'm just kidding ya _hugo_`
`03:54.31`	`GPLGeek`	`Dont they teach you history in $whereverthehellyouare`
`03:54.41`	`_hugo_`	`GPLGeek, sure, they have tried`
`03:54.48`	`GPLGeek`	`LOL`
`03:54.49`	`roxville`	`omg... he was in america before it was america`
`03:54.53`	`_hugo_`	`but that kind off information just peels of on me..`
`03:55.32`	`roxville`	`about 400 years before`
`03:55.45`	`_hugo_`	`how lucky for him`
`03:55.48`	`_hugo_`	`g'night ==)`
`03:55.49`	`roxville`	`sheesh...`
`03:56.08`	`GPLGeek`	`It is to note that the "indians" native americans were there many thousands of years`
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`03:56.31`	`GPLGeek`	`we have dated some of the things they have done to right after the tenocha were formed`
`03:56.31`	`roxville`	`so tell us, if info peels off... why do we bother helping you? :)`
`03:57.07`	`_hugo_`	`roxville, perticular informations as history and geopraphy peels off =)`
`03:57.16`	`_hugo_`	`information, even`
`03:57.23`	`roxville`	`yes GPLGeek i never claimed that leif eriksson DISCOVERED it... just that he was here long before columbus, that's all`
`03:57.27`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek yes, is posible to use canadian dollars, australian dollars, pounds sterlings, us dollars, and yen's`
`03:57.42`	`GPLGeek`	`The south american and egyption were dated at around the same time they actually dated the south american tribes back farther but it's hard to tell because of the type of forrest`
`03:57.54`	`Thanatermesis`	`im thinkin about include one link for one posibility`
`03:58.09`	`roxville`	`that's a good idea thana`
`03:58.18`	`_hugo_`	`hugo@akilles:~$ screen -r`
`03:58.18`	`_hugo_`	`Cannot find terminfo entry for 'rxvt-unicode'.`
`03:58.18`	`_hugo_`	`wtf`
`03:58.20`	`GPLGeek`	`Thanatermesis, I have seen people have many links`
`03:58.59`	`roxville`	`yes GPLGeek i saw a program about egyptians and south americans having a regular trade union a few thousand years ago... pretty cool!`
`03:59.03`	`Thanatermesis`	`ok then, hands to work ! :)`
`03:59.05`	`GPLGeek`	`_hugo_, try hitting ctrl alt f2 and then doing it`
`03:59.17`	`GPLGeek`	`The SSH is open by the way`
`03:59.23`	`GPLGeek`	`if you needed it`
`03:59.28`	`GPLGeek`	`It is installed!`
`04:00.16`	`_hugo_`	`GPLGeek, works, yes`
`04:00.19`	`rm-f_-r`	`Thanks elive people`
`04:00.34`	`_hugo_`	`but it also works in Eterm :P`
`04:01.03`	`GPLGeek`	`RXVT has some advantages that don't seem like advantages when you find them on accident =)`
`04:01.54`	`roxville`	`lol`
`04:02.59`	`_hugo_`	`good night`
`04:03.02`	`GPLGeek`	`Thanatermesis, since the livecd is a testing version of debian maybe we should warn people that apt-get dist-upgrade can break things?`
`04:03.05`	`_hugo_`	`for real this time :p`
`04:03.23`	`roxville`	`god natt _hugo_ , gutten min :)`
`04:03.30`	`_hugo_`	`roxville, haha, funny =)`
`04:03.32`	`GPLGeek`	`I'm helping a guy right now that broke his depends`
`04:03.54`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek depends of how you look this... the main idea of Elive is to has a system working in the same time with debian`
`04:03.58`	`GPLGeek`	`good night _hugo_`
`04:04.07`	`Thanatermesis`	`if debian has a package to disturbs Elive packags, then i fix it`
`04:04.12`	`Thanatermesis`	`from the Elive repository`
`04:04.17`	`GPLGeek`	`oh...`
`04:04.22`	`GPLGeek`	`I see, nm`
`04:04.29`	`Thanatermesis`	`the problem is only if the user upgrade the system before i look it or i fix it lol`
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`04:04.37`	`GPLGeek`	`ya lol`
`04:04.43`	`Elive_user90`	`sup`
`04:04.53`	`GPLGeek`	`nothin much elive_user90`
`04:05.16`	`GPLGeek`	`<PROTECTED>`
`04:08.14`	`roxville`	`cool Brandyoldfashion :)`
`04:08.31`	`roxville`	`thank you for finally stopping to say hi :)`
`04:08.49`	`roxville`	`how can we help ?`
`04:09.00`	`GPLGeek`	`also if you type part of somone's name and hit tab it completes the name for you`
`04:10.06`	`GPLGeek`	`roxville, he might just want to hang out =)`
`04:12.52`	`roxville`	`it's cool! the more, the merrier`
`04:14.02`	`Brandyoldfashion`	`weee`
`04:15.39`	`roxville`	`:)`
`04:16.06`	`roxville`	`so Brandyoldfashion you are using the elive cd... do you like it so far?`
`04:19.02`	`roxville`	`omg... :)`
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`04:20.48`	`LinuxNIT`	`where did you get wine from?`
`04:20.58`	`LinuxNIT`	`lol nm`
`04:21.03`	`LinuxNIT`	`ignore me`
`04:21.19`	`LinuxNIT`	`crap i drove another off`
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`04:26.40`	`yawlright`	`apt hug Elive_user3`
`04:26.46`	`apt`	`ACTION hugs Elive_user3`
`04:29.11`	`roxville`	`hehe yawlright`
`04:31.28`	`yawlright`	`i bet most of the new users open xchat not knowing what program it is then quit`
`04:33.33`	`LinuxNIT`	`lol`
`04:33.39`	`LinuxNIT`	`probablu`
`04:33.46`	`LinuxNIT`	`*probably`
`04:35.00`	`GPLGeek`	`we have over 1000 users`
`04:35.09`	`GPLGeek`	`how many over that number I dont know`
`04:35.47`	`roxville`	`yawlright, yep... been like this since september... i think idid it too`
`04:36.06`	`yawlright`	`i think the little follower bar for the ibar should display the program name on mousover`
`04:36.07`	`roxville`	`actually, it's coming directly to the channel that scared me`
`04:36.27`	`yawlright`	`hehe`
`04:36.31`	`roxville`	`that's a cool idea :)`
`04:36.35`	`GPLGeek`	`you were like "WTF WHERE IS MY SERVER LIST"`
`04:36.44`	`roxville`	`yep :)`
`04:36.47`	`GPLGeek`	`because you know what irc is and how to use it`
`04:36.49`	`GPLGeek`	`others dont`
`04:36.53`	`roxville`	`i was used to being on chatnet`
`04:37.06`	`GPLGeek`	`freenode is awsome`
`04:37.39`	`roxville`	`yeah... i went to a few linux channel before... hated it... til i came here`
`04:37.47`	`roxville`	`this is heaven :)`
`04:37.55`	`roxville`	`channels`
`04:38.14`	`yawlright`	`couldn't stand the flame wars?`
`04:39.35`	`GPLGeek`	`on efnet people from the windows channels came into linux channels and said that we were stealing software`
`04:39.52`	`GPLGeek`	`they said linux was just pirated software that windows owned lol`
`04:40.00`	`GPLGeek`	`It was a noob war`
`04:40.25`	`GPLGeek`	`here people understand that there are many OS's and there is open source, small business, and corporations, and they all play a role`
`04:42.00`	`roxville`	`yeah... but in a lot of channels, it's like... if you don't know everything already, don't bother coming in`
`04:43.47`	`roxville`	`or maybe "RTFM!" is a nice way to answer questions, i don't know...`
`04:43.53`	`roxville`	`:)`
`04:44.59`	`yawlright`	`i think a fresh supply of noobs keeps things interesting...sorta`
`04:46.46`	`roxville`	`...sorta... lol`
`04:47.07`	`yawlright`	`apt noob`
`04:47.09`	`apt`	`rumour has it, noob is just what someone is before their a pro`
`04:47.10`	`roxville`	`an old noob... but still a noob`
`04:47.25`	`roxville`	`lol apt`
`04:47.39`	`yawlright`	`im definitly a noob then`
`04:48.12`	`yawlright`	`apt english lessons`
`04:49.07`	`yawlright`	`<PROTECTED>`
`04:51.33`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek http://elivecd.org/gb/Donation/`
`05:11.35`	`gnaunited`	`is there a way to set up elive to automount all drives when it first starts?`
`05:13.54`	`Thanatermesis`	`this is the default on the version 0.4 gnaunited`
`05:14.03`	`roxville`	`gnaunited, if your fstab says "noauto" somewhere, change it to "auto"`
`05:14.04`	`gnaunited`	`Ic`
`05:14.45`	`gnaunited`	`It says "auto users" and "noauto"`
`05:15.10`	`gnaunited`	`So, change the noauto?`
`05:15.27`	`roxville`	`i refer to my last line...`
`05:15.33`	`gnaunited`	`k`
`05:15.53`	`LinuxNIT`	`how goes it roxville`
`05:16.02`	`roxville`	`doesn't leave much room for misinterpretations :)`
`05:16.26`	`roxville`	`LinuxNIT, i'm doin' ok :) back in the gimp saddle :)`
`05:16.39`	`LinuxNIT`	`gimp? what happened?`
`05:16.51`	`roxville`	`i seem to forget everything when i haven't used it for a few days`
`05:16.59`	`LinuxNIT`	`oh :)`
`05:17.00`	`Thanatermesis`	`gnaunited do you are on the 0.4 final version ?`
`05:17.22`	`LinuxNIT`	`i had that problem but some things i did soooo many times that well they kinda stuck ;)`
`05:19.48`	`roxville`	`yeah... i try to learn so much, that's it's all a mess after a while`
`05:20.05`	`LinuxNIT`	`:)`
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`05:20.21`	`_Strider`	`howdy`
`05:20.26`	`LinuxNIT`	`i have this file called commands.txt guess what i keep in it :D`
`05:20.56`	`LinuxNIT`	`all the handy little things i learn ;) (mostly commands ) :D`
`05:21.02`	`_Strider`	`does the startup setting in entangle work, or is it just there for decoration?`
`05:21.32`	`LinuxNIT`	`"works" for me`
`05:21.51`	`LinuxNIT`	`some times it takes several try to get the settings to stick for me`
`05:21.55`	`_Strider`	`it should auto-start the program on login?`
`05:21.59`	`LinuxNIT`	`yeah`
`05:22.13`	`_Strider`	`not working so far...`
`05:22.25`	`_Strider`	`I'll keep trying`
`05:22.25`	`LinuxNIT`	`that sukcs`
`05:22.54`	`_Strider`	`just a small annoyance`
`05:22.59`	`LinuxNIT`	`:)`
`05:23.06`	`roxville`	`LinuxNIT, yeah i have a doc like that too`
`05:23.12`	`roxville`	`but not for gimp`
`05:23.37`	`LinuxNIT`	`:)`
`05:25.46`	`_Strider`	`bbl`
`05:28.56`	`gnaunited`	`Does anyone know about whether or not to use the experimental installer?`
`05:29.17`	`gnaunited`	`Because my computer happens to be one of the really slow ones`
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`05:33.36`	`gnaunited`	`And lastly - reiserFS or ext2/3?`
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`05:46.28`	`o[WildChild]o`	`lol`
`05:55.45`	`roxville`	`lol`
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`06:31.23`	`wasynyt_`	`i need some help with my dvd drive... it seems that elive does not reconize it at all.. and yes i installed it with that drive`
`06:32.14`	`roxville`	`wow, still no luck?`
`06:32.56`	`wasynyt_`	`havent tried to do anything to it for awhile :)`
`06:33.00`	`roxville`	`hyvä huomenta, btw Ö=`
`06:33.02`	`GPLGeek`	`im back`
`06:33.05`	`LinuxNIT-`	`maybe compare lsmod in the installed version and while running live?`
`06:33.06`	`wasynyt_`	`but hyvää huomenta`
`06:33.07`	`roxville`	`:)`
`06:33.27`	`wasynyt_`	`hmm i think i coukd do that`
`06:33.31`	`wasynyt_`	`*could`
`06:33.33`	`LinuxNIT-`	`or...`
`06:33.35`	`Thanatermesis`	`wasynyt_ Elive 0.4 final version ?`
`06:33.39`	`wasynyt_`	`yes`
`06:33.41`	`LinuxNIT-`	`first`
`06:33.49`	`Thanatermesis`	`wasynyt_ ls -la /dev/dvd`
`06:33.59`	`GPLGeek`	`Thanatermesis, im going to try to screenshot some games now`
`06:34.36`	`wasynyt_`	`sudo ls -la /dev/dvd`
`06:34.36`	`wasynyt_`	`Password:`
`06:34.37`	`wasynyt_`	`ls: /dev/dvd: Tiedostoa tai hakemistoa ei ole`
`06:34.42`	`Thanatermesis`	`good GPLGeek :)`
`06:34.44`	`wasynyt_`	`ie. no such device`
`06:34.56`	`GPLGeek`	`did you modify my laptop while I was gone?`
`06:34.59`	`Thanatermesis`	`wasynyt_ with the 2.6.12 kernel ?`
`06:35.15`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek no... i don't have enter more`
`06:35.16`	`wasynyt_`	`yes`
`06:35.46`	`Thanatermesis`	`wasynyt_ ls -la /dev/cdrom`
`06:36.05`	`wasynyt_`	`$ sudo ls -la /dev/cdrom`
`06:36.05`	`wasynyt_`	`ls: /dev/cdrom: Tiedostoa tai hakemistoa ei ole`
`06:36.15`	`Thanatermesis`	`wasynyt_ what are you trying to make with the dvd ?`
`06:36.25`	`wasynyt_`	`nothing at the moment`
`06:36.31`	`Thanatermesis`	`wasynyt_ cd /dev ; buscar cdrom`
`06:36.54`	`GPLGeek`	`is idefix.eup.uva.es down?`
`06:36.57`	`Thanatermesis`	`wasynyt_ cat /proc/version`
`06:36.59`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek yes :/`
`06:37.10`	`Thanatermesis`	`i think to soon are up`
`06:37.14`	`wasynyt_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`06:37.14`	`wasynyt_`	`Linux version 2.6.12 (root@pinguin) (gcc version 4.0.2 (Debian 4.0.2-2)) #1 Sun Dec 4 08:56:48 CET 2005`
`06:37.27`	`Thanatermesis`	`wasynyt_ cd /dev ; buscar cdrom`
`06:37.37`	`GPLGeek`	`I should mirror it`
`06:37.46`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek what do you think about the new image of the link of donations and the page of donations ? :)`
`06:37.56`	`GPLGeek`	`It's great`
`06:38.17`	`Thanatermesis`	`the repository ? don't worry... idefix is one of the most powerful servers ;) is just to are down sometimes`
`06:38.26`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek the new icon ? are just maded`
`06:38.27`	`wasynyt_`	`i didint like that.. :(`
`06:38.35`	`Thanatermesis`	`wasynyt_ its strange..`
`06:38.44`	`wasynyt_`	`cd /dev ; buscar cdrom`
`06:38.44`	`wasynyt_`	`find: ./.static: Lupa evätty`
`06:38.44`	`wasynyt_`	`ari@arin-kone[/dev]$ sudo cd /dev ; buscar cdrom`
`06:38.44`	`wasynyt_`	`sudo: cd: command not found`
`06:38.44`	`wasynyt_`	`find: ./.static: Lupa evätty`
`06:38.46`	`Thanatermesis`	`wasynyt_ and what happens when you put a DVD in your computer ?`
`06:39.03`	`Thanatermesis`	`wasynyt_ make all by root, no sudo`
`06:39.03`	`wasynyt_`	`nothing.. it starts read it as led flashes and then nothing`
`06:39.11`	`wasynyt_`	`o changing to su`
`06:39.26`	`Thanatermesis`	`wasynyt_ dmesg \| grep DVD`
`06:39.29`	`GPLGeek`	`It's not how the icon looks, its how it works lol`
`06:39.42`	`GPLGeek`	`but elive aims to be a beautiful distro am I right?`
`06:39.56`	`Thanatermesis`	`yes GPLGeek :)`
`06:40.38`	`wasynyt_`	`that lastone did nothing "dmesg \| grep DVD" or it didint tell me anything`
`06:41.21`	`Thanatermesis`	`wasynyt_ this is strange... do you like to test with a more recent kernel ? ;)`
`06:41.28`	`GPLGeek`	`how is your paypal set up? how do they charge you?`
`06:41.43`	`GPLGeek`	`a percet of the money that is sent or per transfer?`
`06:41.57`	`Thanatermesis`	`% i think`
`06:41.59`	`wasynyt_`	`Thanatermesis, yes why not`
`06:42.05`	`o[WildChild]o`	`wasynyt_: aint grep case-sensitive?`
`06:42.13`	`Thanatermesis`	`wasynyt_ ok make all the things of i write by root...`
`06:42.24`	`wasynyt_`	`yes sir`
`06:42.36`	`o[WildChild]o`	`try dvd then :)`
`06:43.05`	`wasynyt_`	`o[WildChild]o, it still didnt tell me anything`
`06:43.13`	`o[WildChild]o`	`ok`
`06:43.15`	`o[WildChild]o`	`=/`
`06:43.18`	`wasynyt_`	`:S`
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`06:43.34`	`o[WildChild]o`	`try to mount it manually`
`06:43.48`	`Thanatermesis`	`wasynyt_ : cd /boot/grub ; cp menu.lst menu.lst.bak ; apt-get install linux-image-2.6.15-1-686 ; cp menu.lst menu.lst.new`
`06:44.08`	`LinuxNIT-`	`whats the md5 for elive final?`
`06:44.19`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt elive-0.4-md5`
`06:44.22`	`apt`	`somebody said elive-0.4-md5 was f6178a185c52e2997a7c84f746f7c559`
`06:44.23`	`wasynyt_`	`3 min remaining`
`06:44.32`	`LinuxNIT-`	`thanks apt and Thanatermesis`
`06:45.19`	`wasynyt_`	`will this update breake my nvidia driver?`
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`06:45.51`	`o[WildChild]o`	`wasynyt_: do you use kernel driver? or closed source ?`
`06:45.59`	`GPLGeek`	`The only thing that breaks nvidia is when you update your kernel or fglrx-kernel`
`06:45.59`	`Thanatermesis`	`wasynyt_ oooh yes :/`
`06:46.12`	`wasynyt_`	`nvidi2 choice.. ithink closed`
`06:46.26`	`Thanatermesis`	`wasynyt_ change it for this moments, edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf file and change "nvidia" to "nv"`
`06:46.33`	`GPLGeek`	`remove ALL ati stuff if upgrading to nvidia`
`06:46.46`	`wasynyt_`	`no ati stuff in this machcine :)`
`06:46.58`	`GPLGeek`	`now if you just have nvidia make sure that the nvidia stuff is built for the kernel you use`
`06:47.06`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek do you like to try to build the ATI pacakges for Elive ?`
`06:47.16`	`GPLGeek`	`Thanatermesis, I might try it`
`06:47.25`	`GPLGeek`	`Thanatermesis, did you just extract them from the ati installer?`
`06:47.37`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/674/9206/0/www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/ati-driver-installer-8.22.5-i386.run`
`06:47.40`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek yes`
`06:47.57`	`Thanatermesis`	`using sh file.run --buildpkg Debian/testing`
`06:48.00`	`roxville`	`akamai? that's apple...`
`06:48.23`	`wasynyt_`	`hmm.. i think it done`
`06:48.26`	`Thanatermesis`	`mmmh.. forget it GPLGeek ... you need the sources of your kernel for build after apart the module driver...`
`06:49.00`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek in any case, with the installed system is a lot more easy now... because i need to reboot all the time of i use the 2.6.11 kernel, i don't have network for this machine...`
`06:50.01`	`GPLGeek`	`Thanatermesis, you can reboot my laptop it is set up so that it has a static ip`
`06:50.22`	`Thanatermesis`	`no no GPLGeek... i just speak about my builds machine`
`06:50.33`	`wasynyt_`	`Thanatermesis, do i boot my machine to the 2.6.15 kernel now?`
`06:50.34`	`GPLGeek`	`I know, but if you wanted to use mine thats fine`
`06:50.51`	`Thanatermesis`	`wasynyt_ no...`
`06:50.55`	`wasynyt_`	`k`
`06:51.37`	`Thanatermesis`	`wasynyt_ launch elpanel, and edit the boot menu from it, open also the file /boot/grub/menu.lst.new and add only the 2.6.15 part on your boot menu list`
`06:51.54`	`GPLGeek`	`I can not wait for ATI to update`
`06:51.59`	`Thanatermesis`	`in any case is a little late now GPLGeek... do you are here tomorrow ?`
`06:52.02`	`GPLGeek`	`want to play games lol`
`06:52.08`	`Thanatermesis`	`lol`
`06:52.15`	`GPLGeek`	`Ill be here every day!`
`06:52.18`	`GPLGeek`	`for ever`
`06:52.42`	`Thanatermesis`	`ok.. i can enter...`
`06:52.51`	`Thanatermesis`	`i don't think to i need more than a ssh for test it :)`
`06:53.02`	`Thanatermesis`	`i test it tomorrow... its 8:00 AM now :/`
`06:53.43`	`wasynyt_`	`Thanatermesis, in /boot/grub/menu.lst.new there is nothing about 2.6.15 :(`
`06:54.18`	`GPLGeek`	`Thanatermesis, i might build 2.6.15 and the ati driver tomorrow`
`06:55.02`	`o[WildChild]o`	`GPLGeek: Linux sardine 2.6.15-gentoo-r1 #4 SMP PREEMPT Tue Feb 21 00:41:44 EST 2006 i686 Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.60GHz GNU/Linux`
`06:55.03`	`o[WildChild]o`	`<PROTECTED>`
`06:55.10`	`o[WildChild]o`	`:)`
`06:55.44`	`GPLGeek`	`well I need to build and patch it`
`06:55.50`	`GPLGeek`	`because there is a fix for the ati stuff`
`06:55.55`	`Thanatermesis`	`wasynyt_ and /boot/grub/menu.lst ?`
`06:56.39`	`wasynyt_`	`nothing`
`06:56.50`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek change your repository to vobcopy`
`06:56.51`	`wasynyt_`	`about 2.6.15`
`06:56.53`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt vobcopy`
`06:56.57`	`apt`	`i heard vobcopy is the repository of elive: deb http://www.vobcopy.org/mirror/elive/ elive main efl elive`
`06:57.00`	`Thanatermesis`	`because idefix is down now`
`06:57.08`	`o[WildChild]o`	`ahh`
`06:57.13`	`o[WildChild]o`	`apt is a bot? :)`
`06:57.20`	`Thanatermesis`	`and upgrade e17 (it are upgraded on the next 4 hours)`
`06:57.52`	`Thanatermesis`	`after of this GPLGeek, remove the package "xlibs-dev" (upgrade also libxine-dev and libxine1, or use "reinstall-sure-pacakge packagename...")`
`06:58.16`	`GPLGeek`	`<PROTECTED>`
`06:58.25`	`Thanatermesis`	`then you can try to build again the driver for ATI GPLGeek, maybe is solved after this the problem of the strange version autodetection of xorg`
`06:58.45`	`GPLGeek`	`There is a patch`
`06:58.57`	`Thanatermesis`	`i have just ugpraded the repository and rebuild the dependencies of some things without xlibs-dev`
`06:59.06`	`GPLGeek`	`It assumes anything over 6.8.2 is 7`
`06:59.18`	`Thanatermesis`	`oh.. is a bug on ATI directly then ?`
`06:59.27`	`GPLGeek`	`I just dont have the exact correct build for the patch`
`06:59.33`	`GPLGeek`	`It's 2 bugs`
`06:59.40`	`Thanatermesis`	`hehe, sounds fun`
`06:59.51`	`GPLGeek`	`but you are right, upgrading those does help`
`07:00.10`	`Thanatermesis`	`in any case we have a dependency less ;)`
`07:00.12`	`pycs`	`Thana, e17 on elive can be upgraded? using deb http://www.vobcopy.org/mirror/elive/ elive main efl elive`
`07:00.36`	`Thanatermesis`	`pycs Elive has the correct repositories by default... don't change it`
`07:00.53`	`Thanatermesis`	`pycs Elive has 2 mirrors of the reposotory, idefix and vobcopy, both has the same`
`07:01.18`	`pycs`	`oh i c.. e17 has an update?`
`07:01.23`	`Thanatermesis`	`is just to idefix are down on this exact moments... and the main repository syncronizes with vobcopy and idefix in the next 4 hours`
`07:01.41`	`Thanatermesis`	`but tomorrow all has a upgrade of e17 in their reposotiry ;)`
`07:02.00`	`GPLGeek`	`I think we should just downgrade to 6.8 because 6.9 has nvidia freeze in libwine-gl 0.9`
`07:02.03`	`roxville`	`näkemiin!`
`07:02.11`	`wasynyt_`	`Thanatermesis, should o try to add that kernel to boot menu by hand`
`07:02.18`	`wasynyt_`	`*I`
`07:02.18`	`GPLGeek`	`but ONLY if people complain that it is freezing`
`07:02.28`	`GPLGeek`	`im not sure if that affects elive`
`07:02.34`	`GPLGeek`	`or even why the error exists.`
`07:02.43`	`wasynyt_`	`näkemiin`
`07:03.00`	`roxville`	`ei...`
`07:03.12`	`roxville`	`jooo!`
`07:03.13`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek i dont think... its a "rare bug"... not a very general bug.. and in any case now we can't posible to downgrade... we have passed the step of 6.8... remember to Elive is a debian ;)`
`07:03.13`	`roxville`	`lol`
`07:03.22`	`wasynyt_`	`:S :D`
`07:03.25`	`Thanatermesis`	`to uses the debian repository`
`07:03.35`	`roxville`	`ja hyvää yötä!`
`07:03.44`	`wasynyt_`	`kauniita unia`
`07:03.57`	`GPLGeek`	`oh ya lol`
`07:04.00`	`o[WildChild]o`	`oyasumi :)`
`07:04.02`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt fi en kauniita unia`
`07:04.14`	`roxville`	`kiitti!`
`07:04.23`	`roxville`	`sweet dreams`
`07:04.27`	`Thanatermesis`	`lol`
`07:04.30`	`Thanatermesis`	`good night rox`
`07:04.45`	`roxville`	`<PROTECTED>`
`07:04.56`	`Thanatermesis`	`wasynyt_ you have in elpanel, on the boot menu editor, the same menu to you has look all the time ?`
`07:05.05`	`Thanatermesis`	`ah ok :)`
`07:05.27`	`wasynyt_`	`Thanatermesis, i think so.. no changes in it`
`07:05.39`	`Thanatermesis`	`wasynyt_ then, yes, add a NEW entry for the 2.6.15 kernel... make sure to all things are correct and reboot for try if you can boot from it`
`07:06.08`	`Thanatermesis`	`wasynyt_ after this, look if you have files called "dvd" or "cdrom" on /dev ... of just put a DVD for look what happens`
`07:06.21`	`Thanatermesis`	`in any case is very strange to you don't have this devices by default :/`
`07:06.55`	`wasynyt_`	`:/ i cant add any entries to boot menu by the graphical editor`
`07:07.06`	`GPLGeek`	`I just got email from ATI`
`07:07.07`	`GPLGeek`	`NOTE: You no longer need to patch the fglrx directory to tell it that Etch uses X.org 6.9.0. ATI already knows this and the current version of the installer knows it too. Tell ATI installer that you are using 'sid'.`
`07:07.07`	`GPLGeek`	`fakeroot ./packages/Debian/ati-packager.sh --buildpkg sid`
`07:07.08`	`GPLGeek`	`This should fix your problems.`
`07:07.36`	`GPLGeek`	`so you need to tell it that it is sid, not etch, heh`
`07:07.51`	`GPLGeek`	`and the other bug aparently was solved...`
`07:08.01`	`GPLGeek`	`does this make sense to you Thanatermesis ?`
`07:08.46`	`Thanatermesis`	`maybe GPLGeek`
`07:08.55`	`Thanatermesis`	`i have tested unstable and etch (or testing)`
`07:08.57`	`Thanatermesis`	`but no sid`
`07:08.57`	`Thanatermesis`	`hehe`
`07:09.04`	`GPLGeek`	`they say it will work`
`07:09.08`	`GPLGeek`	`they are going to download elive`
`07:09.09`	`Thanatermesis`	`also... do you have the link of the LAST version of the installer ?`
`07:09.10`	`GPLGeek`	`and test`
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`07:09.39`	`wasynyt_`	`rebooting now`
`07:09.49`	`GPLGeek`	`I downloaded the one you told me to and ati also lets you downlaod older versions i think`
`07:10.37`	`Thanatermesis`	`hum`
`07:10.51`	`Thanatermesis`	`we make a final test with it for today then ;)`
`07:11.17`	`GPLGeek`	`they also said the current version of 2.6.15 works fine but older versions might not`
`07:11.29`	`GPLGeek`	`but the default sid kernel works`
`07:11.33`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek what about the wine thing... i change it to "wine -opengl" or i use "wine" simply ?`
`07:11.55`	`GPLGeek`	`Wine is broken, didn't get to test`
`07:12.00`	`GPLGeek`	`I think I fixed it so let me test now`
`07:12.06`	`Thanatermesis`	`mmmh... this is not easy... 0.4.1 has the 2.6.11 kernel and 2.6.15`
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`07:12.23`	`Thanatermesis`	`ok, i don't change for now then`
`07:12.40`	`GPLGeek`	`It's strange`
`07:12.54`	`wasynyt_`	`i did something wrong.. that option was not bootable hmm`
`07:13.04`	`GPLGeek`	`damn my rxvt terminal is all white`
`07:13.16`	`GPLGeek`	`everything but blue @ []`
`07:13.24`	`wasynyt_`	`hmm now it could work`
`07:13.28`	`wasynyt_`	`trying again`
`07:16.22`	`Thanatermesis`	`gr8nash mmmh`
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`07:17.32`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek do you are using a old EAP files ?`
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`07:21.51`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek ping`
`07:23.00`	`pycs`	`Thanatermesis , what do you think of "upstream version freeze"?`
`07:23.23`	`Thanatermesis`	`pycs about wine using opengl ?`
`07:23.51`	`pycs`	`hehe, i never use wine :)`
`07:24.54`	`pycs`	`:) just kidding, i use wine but not with opengl... LoL`
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`07:32.54`	`kiwi_`	`goto try elive :)`
`07:33.37`	`cornelius[cz]`	`'morning`
`07:33.46`	`bouba_diop`	`hi`
`07:34.00`	`Thanatermesis`	`good morning cornelius[cz]`
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`07:35.21`	`wasynyt_`	`i think ikow how to solve this now.. how do i create a device?`
`07:35.39`	`wasynyt_`	`lik /dev/dvdrw`
`07:35.59`	`Thanatermesis`	`wasynyt_ , paste all your /boot/grub/menu.lst to www.pastebin.com`
`07:36.16`	`wasynyt_`	`roger`
`07:37.22`	`wasynyt_`	`http://pastebin.com/569867`
`07:37.59`	`wasynyt_`	`i was able to boot in 2.6.15, but in it i dont have networking`
`07:38.11`	`Thanatermesis`	`lol`
`07:38.21`	`Thanatermesis`	`and the DVD works ?`
`07:38.29`	`Thanatermesis`	`you have the /dev/dvd or /dev/cdrom files ?`
`07:38.45`	`wasynyt_`	`:D in it yed.. i found what i was missing.. i need /dev/dvdrw file`
`07:38.58`	`wasynyt_`	`in 2.6.12 i dont have it`
`07:39.00`	`wasynyt_`	`:(`
`07:39.24`	`wasynyt_`	`should i go and copy it from 2.6.15`
`07:39.26`	`Thanatermesis`	`hum`
`07:39.37`	`Thanatermesis`	`this is maybe why the upgrade of udev package recently...`
`07:39.45`	`Thanatermesis`	`what is your network card wasynyt_ ?`
`07:40.06`	`wasynyt_`	`broadcom something.. sold by buffalo`
`07:40.38`	`wasynyt_`	`works in 2.6.12 in ndiswrapper`
`07:41.31`	`wasynyt_`	`when i try modprobe ndiswrapper in 2.6.15 i get no module ndiswrapper,or something like that`
`07:42.58`	`wasynyt_`	`0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4306 802.11b/g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 03)`
`07:43.42`	`Thanatermesis`	`yes, you need to recompile ndiswrapper`
`07:44.12`	`Thanatermesis`	`aparently don't has matches :/`
`07:44.16`	`wasynyt_`	`cant i add that device.. or is it harder`
`07:46.21`	`Thanatermesis`	`not really...`
`07:46.31`	`Thanatermesis`	`but udev needs to make this automatically`
`07:46.34`	`Thanatermesis`	`same for all things`
`07:46.38`	`Thanatermesis`	`usb sticks.. all`
`07:46.43`	`wasynyt_`	`ok..`
`07:46.45`	`Thanatermesis`	`is better to use a kernel to works good`
`07:46.59`	`Thanatermesis`	`in any case... i want a new release of Elive for soon`
`07:48.01`	`wasynyt_`	`really? that sounds good.. could make it so that it could done apt-get upgrade/dist-upgrade`
`07:49.49`	`Thanatermesis`	`yes.. the changes are minimal... you can posible to upgrade it from your 0.4, install the ndiswrapper module for example.. etc`
`07:50.04`	`wasynyt_`	`nice :)`
`07:50.34`	`Thanatermesis`	`maybe tomorrow i try to build the new 2.6.15 kernel for Elive... asking to sinplomo about the ndis and wifi modules... he like's to play with this modules ;)`
`07:51.20`	`wasynyt_`	`well my wlan runs with win xp drivers so i think you cant include them`
`07:53.54`	`bouba_diop`	`http://idefix.eup.uva.es/ is down?:)`
`07:56.26`	`GPLGeek`	`in your apt sources (sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf) you can change it`
`07:56.36`	`GPLGeek`	`comment that one out and uncomment the other one`
`07:56.44`	`GPLGeek`	`then control o then control x`
`07:56.49`	`GPLGeek`	`after that apt-get update`
`07:57.08`	`GPLGeek`	`then apt-get install whatever you want && have a beer`
`07:57.37`	`bouba_diop`	`etc/apt/source.list ?;)`
`07:58.11`	`GPLGeek`	`oh lol`
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`07:58.18`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek do you have look on your machine of tests ?`
`07:58.19`	`GPLGeek`	`i did $/x instead of $/a`
`07:58.23`	`GPLGeek`	`ROFL`
`07:58.30`	`GPLGeek`	`I have hotkeys for the paths im sorry`
`07:58.40`	`GPLGeek`	`Thanatermesis, just did`
`07:58.45`	`Thanatermesis`	`bouba_diop for this moments yes... you can use vobcopy if you like`
`07:58.45`	`bouba_diop`	`;)`
`07:58.49`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt vobcopy`
`07:58.54`	`apt`	`it has been said that vobcopy is the repository of elive: deb http://www.vobcopy.org/mirror/elive/ elive main efl elive`
`07:58.54`	`Thanatermesis`	`is the same to idefix`
`07:58.54`	`bouba_diop`	`ok thanks`
`07:58.57`	`GPLGeek`	`it is /etc/apt/sources.list`
`07:59.09`	`GPLGeek`	`I am dumb for that one lol`
`08:00.02`	`ee_lars`	`hello all`
`08:00.12`	`bouba_diop`	`hi`
`08:00.18`	`GPLGeek`	`Today I am stupid I have gotten 6 hours of sleep in 3 days`
`08:00.24`	`GPLGeek`	`My mind is gone`
`08:01.07`	`bouba_diop`	`eheheh take 10 coffe:D`
`08:01.59`	`GPLGeek`	`my terminal is all bad characters lol`
`08:02.02`	`GPLGeek`	`shapes and stuff`
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`08:05.33`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek read the bugs section of the webpage of Elive`
`08:05.43`	`GPLGeek`	`I will lol`
`08:05.52`	`GPLGeek`	`but it was working fine I had fixed it`
`08:05.56`	`GPLGeek`	`then restarted`
`08:06.06`	`kiwi_enlived`	`Thanatermesis, qemu is installed with kqemu ?`
`08:06.36`	`Thanatermesis`	`kiwi_enlived finally now`
`08:06.39`	`Thanatermesis`	`kiwi_enlived finally no`
`08:07.38`	`kiwi_enlived`	`anyway`
`08:07.40`	`kiwi_enlived`	`funny`
`08:11.59`	`kiwi_enlived`	`heeeee`
`08:12.05`	`kiwi_enlived`	`svn is installed :D`
`08:14.27`	`Thanatermesis`	`kiwi_enlived http://elivecd.org/gb/Packages_0.4/ ;)`
`08:14.38`	`kiwi_enlived`	`/bin/sed: can't read /usr/lib/libXcursor.la: No such file or directory`
`08:14.39`	`kiwi_enlived`	libtool: link: `/usr/lib/libXcursor.la' is not a valid libtool archive
`08:14.40`	`kiwi_enlived`	`:(`
`08:14.56`	`GPLGeek`	`Thanatermesis, I will work on fglrx but you might want to focus on other things`
`08:15.03`	`GPLGeek`	`Thanatermesis, ati will have it updated in march`
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`08:16.56`	`GPLGeek`	`This is the problem with ATI and NVIDIA even though they support us its not open source so we can not fix the stuff`
`08:18.33`	`GPLGeek`	`FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.5.23/misc/fglrx.ko): Operation not permitted lol`
`08:18.50`	`GPLGeek`	`so that means give up!`
`08:20.48`	`Thanatermesis`	`kiwi_enlived dpkg -L silver-cursor`
`08:21.02`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek yes`
`08:21.14`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek rmmod radeon drm`
`08:21.17`	`Thanatermesis`	`and try again`
`08:22.19`	`GPLGeek`	`ok now i can modprobe it but still X says it's 7.0.0.0 and required 6.8`
`08:22.28`	`GPLGeek`	`how to trick X to think its 6.8?`
`08:22.46`	`GPLGeek`	`because the driver WORKS when it doesnt think its 7`
`08:24.15`	`Thanatermesis`	`maybe...`
`08:24.18`	`Thanatermesis`	`hacking the code :)`
`08:24.29`	`Thanatermesis`	`or using the famous patch`
`08:25.34`	`kiwi_enlived`	`Thanatermesis, and so ?`
`08:30.30`	`GPLGeek`	`quote "X.org 6.9R was the release candidate for 7 and is coded as such. It does ID as 7 even though it has the same functionality as 6.8 the driver will conflict." so yes hacking the code and telling it that it's 6.8, but then breaking NVIDIA drivers LOL`
`08:30.32`	`GPLGeek`	`so impossible`
`08:42.42`	`bouba_diop`	`only after elive installation: open eap editor. click on the image, double click on the only "folder" ( .. ). e has a seg.fault. someone can try? thanks`
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`08:48.52`	`GPLGeek`	`OMG I dont need FGLRX LOL... I'm getting 1261FPS in glxgears with "radeon"`
`08:49.18`	`GPLGeek`	`I thought it didnt have acceleration`
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`08:50.15`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt tell bouba_diop about e17`
`08:50.26`	`kiwi_enlived`	`i needed to install libxcursor-dev`
`08:50.42`	`kiwi_enlived`	`to be able to compile efl program`
`08:50.43`	`kiwi_enlived`	`s`
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`08:52.26`	`bouba_diop`	`thana I have not understood...`
`08:54.16`	`bouba_diop`	`ok...`
`08:56.12`	`GPLGeek`	`See you tomorrow.`
`08:59.53`	`ee_lars`	`hi Thanatermesis`
`08:59.57`	`ee_lars`	`what's up? :)`
`09:00.33`	`Thanatermesis`	`yop ee_lars`
`09:00.47`	`Thanatermesis`	`fatiguée =_= Zzzz`
`09:00.52`	`ee_lars`	`lol`
`09:01.13`	`ee_lars`	`j'ai installé une mpentoo pour la comparer à elive`
`09:01.52`	`ee_lars`	`je connaissais pas du tout Gentoo c'est un peu bizarre commme systeme`
`09:02.34`	`Thanatermesis`	`hehe`
`09:02.41`	`Thanatermesis`	`un peut diferent oui ;)`
`09:03.45`	`ee_lars`	`j'arrive même pas à installer entrance :)`
`09:04.15`	`ee_lars`	`mais E17 semble plus stable`
`09:05.46`	`Thanatermesis`	`bof... c'est pas posible de definire ça`
`09:05.50`	`Thanatermesis`	`e17 il et en developement`
`09:06.00`	`Thanatermesis`	`parfois il et plus estable et parfois il et moins`
`09:06.20`	`ee_lars`	`:)`
`09:08.40`	`ee_lars`	`c'est cool en tout cas avec la 0.4 la communauté elive a bien grandi!!!`
`09:09.38`	`Thanatermesis`	`oui... assez :)`
`09:09.48`	`Thanatermesis`	`et comme je dit toujours.. .elive vient juste de naitre ;)`
`09:09.56`	`Thanatermesis`	`il i a encore plein des choses a decouvrire ;)`
`09:11.10`	`ee_lars`	`hehe c'est sur :)`
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`09:12.34`	`ee_lars`	`tu as eu beaucoup de retours utilisateurs pour la 0.4?`
`09:12.52`	`Elive_user`	`is possible to allowed xdmcp in "entrance" ?`
`09:14.17`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt xdmcp`
`09:14.19`	`apt`	`i guess xdmcp is if using a recent xdm .deb, comment last line in /etc/X11/xdm/xdm-config to enable xdmcp at all! also edit /etc/X11/xdm/Xaccess of course`
`09:14.34`	`Thanatermesis`	`ee_lars je sait pas... il i a quand meme du monde... sinon, ceux qui ont restée par ici`
`09:14.54`	`Thanatermesis`	`Elive_user remote access ? i don't sure... ask on #e`
`09:15.09`	`ee_lars`	`quand je parle de retour : c'est si ils t'ont signalé beaucoup de problemes lol`
`09:16.47`	`Thanatermesis`	`ah... non, pas vraiment`
`09:16.56`	`Thanatermesis`	`la 0.4 c'est une tres bonne stabilisation de la 0.3`
`09:17.06`	`Thanatermesis`	`par contre... j'ai trouvée quelques bugs de "last minute"`
`09:17.21`	`Thanatermesis`	`mais bon, je espere le fixer tout et le releaser pour la 0.4.1 ;)`
`09:18.53`	`ee_lars`	`cool`
`09:20.15`	`Thanatermesis`	`bon allait... finit pour aujourdui...`
`09:20.24`	`Thanatermesis`	`je croix que mon nouveaux site il et finalment pret :)`
`09:20.33`	`Thanatermesis`	`tu en pense qoi ee_lars ?`
`09:20.40`	`Thanatermesis`	`mon ancient site: http://thana.no-ip.org`
`09:20.58`	`Thanatermesis`	`mon nouveaux site: http://thana.no-ip.org/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page?action=purge`
`09:21.05`	`Thanatermesis`	`ça change, eh ? ;)`
`09:22.12`	`ee_lars`	`Thanatermesis : quelle beauté!!! :D`
`09:22.31`	`Thanatermesis`	`:)`
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`09:25.58`	`ee_lars`	`Thanatermesis :c'est toi qui a fait le site?`
`09:26.40`	`Thanatermesis`	`oui :)`
`09:26.47`	`Thanatermesis`	`tu sait ce que c'est ?`
`09:26.51`	`Thanatermesis`	`mediawiki xD`
`09:27.04`	`Thanatermesis`	`le meme truc que http://wikipedia.org`
`09:27.14`	`Thanatermesis`	`j'ai hackée un peut le theme original ;)`
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`09:27.48`	`ee_lars`	`:p`
`09:27.52`	`Elive_user99`	`hi asl pls`
`09:27.59`	`ee_lars`	`bah le résultat est mortel!`
`09:28.40`	`Thanatermesis`	`:)`
`09:28.51`	`Thanatermesis`	`et mediawiki c'est trop bien pour poster et tout ;)`
`09:29.15`	`Thanatermesis`	`http://thana.no-ip.org/mediawiki/index.php/Elive_0.4_Screenshots`
`09:29.26`	`Thanatermesis`	`http://thana.no-ip.org/mediawiki/index.php/Videos_Page`
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`09:33.48`	`Thanatermesis`	`ee_lars tu veux le voire encore plus beaux ? ;)`
`09:34.21`	`Thanatermesis`	`http://thana.no-ip.org/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page?action=purge <--- scroll maintenant ee_lars ;)`
`09:34.22`	`ee_lars`	`oui :D`
`09:35.20`	`ee_lars`	`wow`
`09:35.43`	`ee_lars`	`superbe oO`
`09:35.48`	`Thanatermesis`	`ça c'est le vrai look que je voudrait lui donner ;)`
`09:35.59`	`Thanatermesis`	`le probleme c'est que sur firefox ça va lent quand tu scroll :/`
`09:36.48`	`ee_lars`	`ça m'étonne pas`
`09:37.03`	`ee_lars`	`déja sous opera ça ramme un peu`
`09:37.27`	`Thanatermesis`	`hehehe, et ben justement sur opera c'est ou il va mieux ;)`
`09:37.41`	`ee_lars`	`lol`
`09:37.44`	`Thanatermesis`	`tu sait si c'est legale de redistribuer opera ?`
`09:38.27`	`ee_lars`	`je sais pas du tout`
`09:38.46`	`ee_lars`	`sur la pentoo je l'ai pris sur les mirroir de portage`
`09:38.56`	`ee_lars`	`donc eux peuvent le distribuer`
`09:39.28`	`ee_lars`	`je regarde`
`09:39.41`	`Thanatermesis`	`mmmh, je sait pas... mais normalment il i a pas des distros qui ont opera`
`09:39.58`	`Thanatermesis`	`et toi tu le trouve beaucup mieux que firefox ?`
`09:42.06`	`ee_lars`	`oui`
`09:42.13`	`ee_lars`	`firefox est beaucoup trop lourd`
`09:42.24`	`ee_lars`	`sur ma machine en tout cas`
`09:42.36`	`ee_lars`	`et je prefere l'interface d'opera`
`09:42.44`	`ee_lars`	`après c'est chacun ses gouts :)`
`09:43.38`	`Thanatermesis`	`moi je suis habituée a firefox...`
`09:43.45`	`Thanatermesis`	`mais c'est vrai que opera et plus légere`
`09:45.13`	`ee_lars`	`oui`
`09:45.27`	`ee_lars`	`sinon ya aussi dillo lol`
`09:46.10`	`Thanatermesis`	`lol`
`09:47.03`	`ee_lars`	`Thanatermesis : regarde : http://composer.opera.com/composer3/register.dml`
`09:48.32`	`Thanatermesis`	`moais... mais je vois pas trop "pour une distro" :/`
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`09:57.43`	`ee_lars`	`brb`
`09:57.45`	`Thanatermesis`	`bon... je essayerait de voire ça...`
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`10:35.52`	`mndctrl`	`hey guys ;) congrats on the release of 0.4...`
`10:36.51`	`mndctrl`	`are there alot of bugfixes from o.4pre to 0.4?`
`10:37.50`	`mndctrl`	`thinking about upgrading... running the pre now... should I upgrade?`
`10:53.28`	`wasynyt`	`i think there will be another version of 0.4 series`
`10:54.26`	`wasynyt`	`so if you can wait and pre works well, then i would say use it :D`
`10:56.30`	`mndctrl`	`oh, ok... ;) I'll stick with it for now... works well enough... got some small issues, but they can wait ;)`
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`10:59.57`	`_hugo_`	`mornin' people :)`
`11:05.35`	`mndctrl`	`morning _hugo_`
`11:05.52`	`_hugo_`	`phew.. I'm tired`
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`11:17.19`	`_hugo_`	`woho`
`11:17.22`	`_hugo_`	`new update`
`11:20.00`	`mndctrl`	`is there a way to update elive without reinstalling? If I'd like to upgrade from 0.4pre to 0.4... could it be done without reinstall?`
`11:20.35`	`_hugo_`	`hm, don't know`
`11:20.44`	`_hugo_`	`but 0.4 works greeeeat =)`
`11:20.54`	`pycs`	`mndctrl, i don't think so, if there is they would have suggested it :)`
`11:22.32`	`mndctrl`	`I guess so too :/ Well, pre0.4 works like a charm as well, so I have real complaints yet ;)`
`11:22.48`	`_hugo_`	`"so I have real complaints yet ;)"`
`11:23.30`	`pycs`	`mndctrl, me too, i use it until now, though i have downloaded the final version too :)`
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`11:52.24`	`_hugo_`	`where is the .edj background file for my theme stored?`
`11:52.41`	`_hugo_`	`using gant theme, and need to Esetroot with the background picture :]`
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`14:39.41`	`sinplomo`	`quidam-, puedes pegar aqui una o con tilde ?`
`14:40.00`	`quidam-`	`Ô.Ô`
`14:40.01`	`quidam-`	`ñ`
`14:40.04`	`quidam-`	`eso?`
`14:40.15`	`quidam-`	`Ñ <- mayuscula :P`
`14:40.41`	`sinplomo`	`una "o" con tilde`
`14:41.08`	`quidam-`	`ó`
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`14:41.37`	`quidam-`	`ò <- tilde invertida xD`
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`14:41.43`	`sinplomo`	`gracias`
`14:42.17`	`quidam-`	`pero anoche conoci a Daniela Kosan :P`
`14:42.28`	`quidam-`	`asi que eso me mantiene alegre ji ji ji`
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`16:46.12`	`Elive_user`	`hallo everybody^^`
`16:46.22`	`eshep`	`hi`
`16:46.30`	`o[WildChild]o`	`yo`
`16:49.11`	`Elive_user`	`well, i have jsut installed elive to my, and it is very nice :) i also installed the cthulhain-0.2.1 and i want to change the background with with a .jpg file, but i cant! is it possible that i can only use the .edj background in elive??`
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`16:50.42`	`o[WildChild]o`	`Elive_user: its like that for enlightenment , not only elive`
`16:53.30`	`Elive_user`	`u mean, it is not possible to have a jpg-background, only the edj's?`
`16:54.03`	`Elive_user`	then, is there a tool to convert jpg's to edj`s?
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`17:09.23`	`eshep`	`Elive_user, you can use jpg if you want`
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`19:10.48`	`SteveMyers`	`now, I can only run Elive from CD, not from bootup correct?`
`19:11.08`	`SteveMyers`	`even though I did the setup and etc from CD, do I need it to make Elive load?`
`19:11.26`	`SteveMyers`	`or can I just boot without the cd like a normal OS`
`19:13.26`	`avenger`	`no u dont need the CD now ;)`
`19:13.37`	`avenger`	`just boot from hard drive`
`19:13.46`	`SteveMyers`	`ok very cool, thank you for your answer on that :)`
`19:13.50`	`SteveMyers`	`I just switched from Ubuntu`
`19:14.23`	`SteveMyers`	`ran it for about a year or so`
`19:14.31`	`avenger`	`howz ubuntu ... i use FC (fedora core ) ?`
`19:14.54`	`SteveMyers`	`Ubuntu is really good, Dapper is the latest release, Dapper Flight 4 is the newest`
`19:15.04`	`Gwildor`	`ubuntu is a horrible linux`
`19:15.11`	`SteveMyers`	`that is why I switched`
`19:15.16`	`Gwildor`	`wonderful desktop OS...horrible linux`
`19:15.21`	`SteveMyers`	`agreed`
`19:15.26`	`Gwildor`	`temp`
`19:15.29`	`dsk`	`;)`
`19:15.39`	`dsk`	`welcome to elive !`
`19:15.55`	`SteveMyers`	`oh avenger, it's not letting me pop out the cdrom...something I am missing?`
`19:15.57`	`SteveMyers`	`thank you :-D`
`19:16.21`	`SteveMyers`	`the only thing I really did was setup the display and language mode`
`19:16.41`	`dhiru`	`have u installed it on ur hard disk ?`
`19:16.47`	`SteveMyers`	`no`
`19:16.54`	`dhiru`	`then do it !`
`19:17.05`	`dhiru`	`else u will always need the CD`
`19:17.19`	`SteveMyers`	`should I reboot and do this? sorry never had to do this before`
`19:17.37`	`dhiru`	`yeah u can reboot and start afresh`
`19:17.51`	`SteveMyers`	`k`
`19:17.54`	`roxville`	`hi peeps :)`
`19:17.56`	`SteveMyers`	`brb then`
`19:18.00`	`dhiru`	`install on hdd , remove cd and then boot from hdd`
`19:18.07`	`roxville`	`hi newcomers, welcome to #elive`
`19:18.38`	`roxville`	`where are y'all from?`
`19:18.49`	`dhiru`	`anyone here got a link for gcc 4.1 port(s) ?`
`19:19.13`	`Gwildor`	`roxville, o/\`
`19:19.24`	`roxville`	`hi Gwildor`
`19:19.30`	`Gwildor`	`how ya been`
`19:19.37`	`Gwildor`	`i hope to try final this weekend....finally`
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`19:21.49`	`AlqueMont`	`hi`
`19:22.14`	`b1ufox`	`hi`
`19:22.45`	`b1ufox`	`hi dhiru :)`
`19:24.08`	`dhiru`	`hye blufox :)`
`19:25.27`	`b1ufox`	`finally you here dhiru :)`
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`19:25.45`	`dhiru`	`yeah long time se sify ne maa chode thee`
`19:25.50`	`dhiru`	`:(`
`19:26.16`	`b1ufox`	`hey supersify works gr8 with wine man`
`19:26.19`	`b1ufox`	`thanks a lot :)`
`19:26.31`	`dhiru`	`mention not ;) heheheh`
`19:26.38`	`dhiru`	`np ur welcome`
`19:27.42`	`b1ufox`	`now its so easy`
`19:27.42`	`b1ufox`	`screw sify lets have fun ..11`
`19:31.30`	`blizzard_`	`Thana: there?`
`19:31.40`	`dhiru`	`hhahaha`
`19:32.32`	`dhiru`	`thx for the ftp stuff blufox !`
`19:32.42`	`b1ufox`	`np :)`
`19:34.15`	`Gwildor`	`what is supersify?`
`19:35.52`	`dhiru`	`its an ISP client we use here in india`
`19:35.53`	`dhiru`	`actually the isp suck bigtime`
`19:35.55`	`dhiru`	`we had to use wine to run it`
`19:37.53`	`Gwildor`	`jsut to connect?`
`19:38.32`	`dhiru`	`yeah it for windows`
`19:38.54`	`Gwildor`	`hmm, cant you jstu put the login info into a *nix app?`
`19:39.26`	`dhiru`	`when they use a shitty home made crypto to communicate thats the prob`
`19:39.51`	`b1ufox`	`ok`
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`19:46.15`	`Elive_user68`	`hola a tod@s`
`19:47.15`	`AlqueMont`	`hola Elive_user68`
`19:48.47`	`Elive_user68`	`veréis, tengo problemas para configurar mi tarjeta wireless (ipw2200)`
`19:49.06`	`Elive_user68`	`no consigo que me la detecte`
`19:49.41`	`Elive_user68`	`era para preguntar si sabéis como hacerlo o si desde el cd no se puede configurar`
`19:49.51`	`eggman`	`http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/List`
`19:50.18`	`Elive_user68`	`ok, voy a mirar`
`19:50.41`	`eggman`	`no halbo mucho espanol`
`19:50.50`	`eggman`	`lo seinto`
`19:52.14`	`eggman`	`http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net/`
`19:52.22`	`eggman`	`that should help more`
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`19:52.40`	`Elive_user29`	`hi`
`19:52.51`	`AlqueMont`	`hi 29`
`19:53.16`	`AlqueMont`	`adeu 29`
`19:53.18`	`AlqueMont`	`xDD`
`19:54.15`	`GPLGeek`	`so the paypal bugged`
`19:54.25`	`GPLGeek`	`I tried to donate $26.00`
`19:54.38`	`GPLGeek`	`it only let me send $00.26`
`19:54.50`	`GPLGeek`	`then they took out 00.26 as a fee for the transfer`
`19:54.51`	`eggman`	`http://www.linuxespanol.com/index.php for 68`
`19:54.56`	`GPLGeek`	`net $00.00`
`19:55.00`	`eggman`	`XD`
`19:55.49`	`GPLGeek`	`apt x en es paypal sucks`
`19:56.04`	`Elive_user68`	`thank eggman`
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`20:01.18`	`blizzard_`	`apt en es how do I make erss run with transparency ?`
`20:01.30`	`blizzard_`	`apt x en es how do I make erss run with transparency ?`
`20:01.40`	`blizzard_`	`hehe =)`
`20:03.55`	`roxville`	`your spanish is getting better, blizzard_ :)`
`20:07.48`	`GPLGeek`	`spanish is easy compared to assembly language`
`20:08.54`	`GPLGeek`	`I hate how we use a dead assembly language (ibm 730, and not the standard one, we have a custom EOS, not os or dos)`
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`20:15.02`	`blizzard_`	`rox; tnx =)`
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`20:16.36`	`SteveMyers`	`DUDE`
`20:17.01`	`SteveMyers`	`is avenger here?`
`20:17.53`	`roxville`	`i can be an avenger... who do you wanna get?`
`20:17.56`	`roxville`	`:)`
`20:18.15`	`SteveMyers`	`lol`
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`20:18.42`	`SteveMyers`	`Elive is more addicting than Ubuntu Linux`
`20:18.45`	`roxville`	`SteveMyers, sorry... i gotta ask... i saw your IP... you are on road runner... in... florida? central florida?`
`20:18.45`	`SteveMyers`	`I am VERy impressed`
`20:19.06`	`SteveMyers`	`soon to be North Carolina in about a month`
`20:19.27`	`SteveMyers`	`but yes Central Florida`
`20:20.28`	`o[WildChild]o`	`road runner?`
`20:20.39`	`SteveMyers`	`yep`
`20:20.40`	`roxville`	`rr`
`20:20.53`	`roxville`	`ok, just checking my knowledge :)`
`20:20.59`	`o[WildChild]o`	`beware`
`20:21.04`	`o[WildChild]o`	`he'll hack you :o`
`20:21.08`	`o[WildChild]o`	`hackZor :o`
`20:21.13`	`roxville`	`when you move, stop by here for coffee :) i'm in charleston, sc`
`20:22.13`	`SteveMyers`	`eh, how do you spell it? Charolette?`
`20:22.32`	`SteveMyers`	`that's where I'll be in a month`
`20:22.34`	`o[WildChild]o`	`charlotte`
`20:22.40`	`roxville`	`yeah`
`20:22.41`	`SteveMyers`	`ah ty`
`20:22.53`	`SteveMyers`	`dude, I've been here in FL all my life`
`20:23.00`	`roxville`	`wow`
`20:23.01`	`SteveMyers`	`so it's gonna be interesting`
`20:23.04`	`SteveMyers`	`yeah`
`20:23.11`	`SteveMyers`	`been in this house for almost 11 years`
`20:23.16`	`SteveMyers`	`lol`
`20:23.25`	`SteveMyers`	`seriously ;)`
`20:23.34`	`o[WildChild]o`	`florida is cool`
`20:23.43`	`o[WildChild]o`	`with all those chicks in bikini :D`
`20:23.44`	`roxville`	`i went to fl for the first time last summer... a toltal of 18 hours, i think... down to tampa and back... slept 5 hours or so`
`20:23.55`	`SteveMyers`	`hehe`
`20:24.02`	`SteveMyers`	`the chicks here are INSANE`
`20:24.15`	`SteveMyers`	`party women, and nothing more to ask for`
`20:24.34`	`roxville`	`:)`
`20:24.57`	`o[WildChild]o`	`sigh`
`20:25.00`	`SteveMyers`	`oh btw, I will never go back to Ubuntu, Elive has shown me what a real desktop/linux is all about`
`20:25.03`	`o[WildChild]o`	`I want a huuuug!`
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`20:25.22`	`SteveMyers`	`lol`
`20:25.42`	`SteveMyers`	`HA, it even has apt-get lol`
`20:25.53`	`SteveMyers`	`how sick is that`
`20:25.53`	`o[WildChild]o`	`yeah`
`20:25.56`	`SteveMyers`	`lol`
`20:25.57`	`Elive_user60`	`sqlut`
`20:26.00`	`o[WildChild]o`	`its Eubuntu ;)`
`20:26.13`	`o[WildChild]o`	`Elive_user60: fr?`
`20:26.13`	`SteveMyers`	`interesting`
`20:26.34`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt ebuntu`
`20:26.35`	`apt`	`it has been said that ebuntu is caca`
`20:26.38`	`Thanatermesis`	`lol`
`20:26.49`	`SteveMyers`	`LOL`
`20:26.51`	`o[WildChild]o`	`lol`
`20:26.58`	`o[WildChild]o`	`ca existe pour vrai ????`
`20:27.01`	`SteveMyers`	`caca is, what? shit?`
`20:27.05`	`o[WildChild]o`	`yeah`
`20:27.06`	`Thanatermesis`	`yeah lol`
`20:27.08`	`SteveMyers`	`oh ok`
`20:27.17`	`o[WildChild]o`	`caca boudin!`
`20:27.23`	`SteveMyers`	`lol`
`20:27.47`	`SteveMyers`	`I love the default theme on Elive, looks awesome`
`20:27.56`	`SteveMyers`	`blue is deffinently my color`
`20:28.04`	`Thanatermesis`	`SteveMyers but its old... it needs a "update" ;)`
`20:28.13`	`SteveMyers`	`is it?`
`20:28.20`	`Thanatermesis`	`no for this moments...`
`20:28.32`	`Thanatermesis`	`maybe before to release 0.5`
`20:28.32`	`o[WildChild]o`	`huhu`
`20:28.40`	`SteveMyers`	`oh ok`
`20:28.46`	`o[WildChild]o`	`trying to debug evidence here!`
`20:28.52`	`o[WildChild]o`	`and its not evident xD`
`20:29.01`	`SteveMyers`	`well, then this should be easy to walk with like Ubuntu has been`
`20:30.01`	`SteveMyers`	`lol@tuxpuck`
`20:30.16`	`roxville`	`lol`
`20:30.54`	`roxville`	`SteveMyers, it's not quite like ubuntu... but when you have gotten used to the enlightenment desktop... you'll be hooked`
`20:31.05`	`roxville`	`there's a bit to learn though :)`
`20:31.09`	`SteveMyers`	`this game is addicting`
`20:31.29`	`SteveMyers`	`I ran E16 on Ubuntu`
`20:31.32`	`SteveMyers`	`buggy real bad`
`20:31.41`	`SteveMyers`	`ran it on Hoary, Breezy and Dapper`
`20:34.00`	`roxville`	`yeah? i could never get it to work properly on ubuntu... i tried and tried`
`20:34.14`	`roxville`	`but i have no idea how to set up e...`
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`20:34.23`	`roxville`	`and now, i don't have to! :)`
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`20:36.23`	`SteveMyers`	`roxville, from running Elive, I won't be back to Ubuntu, so that won't be an issue for me anymore, I had to many problems with those packages not loading and it being very slow on gnome`
`20:36.28`	`SteveMyers`	`brb`
`20:36.49`	`roxville`	`k`
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`20:37.57`	`IcedEarth`	`hi`
`20:38.08`	`IcedEarth`	`how can I install java?`
`20:38.36`	`IcedEarth`	`?`
`20:47.12`	`roxville`	`IcedEarth, apt-get install java`
`20:47.16`	`roxville`	`seriously`
`20:53.07`	`IcedEarth`	`ta`
`20:53.09`	`IcedEarth`	`sorry`
`20:53.10`	`IcedEarth`	`was away`
`20:53.14`	`IcedEarth`	`cheers roxville`
`20:53.29`	`roxville`	`:)`
`20:53.35`	`IcedEarth`	`how are you?`
`20:53.39`	`IcedEarth`	`oh no`
`20:53.41`	`IcedEarth`	`sorry`
`20:53.45`	`IcedEarth`	`I mean java for firefox`
`20:53.54`	`IcedEarth`	`is that the blackdown java?`
`20:54.09`	`roxville`	`i'm pretty good... just realized i have to fix my guitar... i hate the damn thing...`
`20:54.24`	`IcedEarth`	`ah`
`20:54.25`	`roxville`	`ok, not hate it... but it's got issues...`
`20:54.31`	`IcedEarth`	`oh`
`20:54.46`	`roxville`	`IcedEarth, no thana put this java pck together for elive`
`20:54.46`	`IcedEarth`	`aint we all ;)`
`20:54.52`	`IcedEarth`	`ok`
`20:54.54`	`roxville`	`lol`
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`20:57.54`	`roxville`	`see y'all later :)`
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`20:59.15`	`IcedEarth`	`tarra`
`20:59.19`	`IcedEarth`	`see ya roxville`
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`21:24.33`	`SteveMyers`	`is there a way to fix the also mixer to enable sound?`
`21:25.32`	`o[WildChild]o`	`are they OFF?`
`21:26.14`	`SteveMyers`	`yeah, but one second, running the alsaconf`
`21:26.35`	`SteveMyers`	`I think I just setup my card wrong during the install earlier`
`21:26.40`	`o[WildChild]o`	`hihi`
`21:26.43`	`o[WildChild]o`	`test alsaconf :)`
`21:28.08`	`SteveMyers`	`hmm, ok think I got it, lemme load my mp3 player to it and see how it goes`
`21:28.43`	`o[WildChild]o`	`oki ^^`
`21:32.44`	`SteveMyers`	`oh yeah`
`21:32.46`	`SteveMyers`	`I am good`
`21:32.50`	`SteveMyers`	`;)`
`21:33.05`	`SteveMyers`	`now I can enjoy my mp3 while I code`
`21:33.12`	`SteveMyers`	`mp3's *`
`21:33.13`	`o[WildChild]o`	`cool :)`
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`21:52.04`	`SteveMyers`	`either I am doing something wrong or this command is wrong, cp japan2007.edj /location/to/the/theme`
`21:52.12`	`SteveMyers`	`is that to install?`
`21:52.42`	`SteveMyers`	`I have the edj file in the themes folder for /.e/e/themes but I totally forgot the command for it`
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`21:53.22`	`o[WildChild]o`	`cp japan2007.edj .e/e/themes`
`21:53.30`	`o[WildChild]o`	`SteveMyers: ------^`
`21:54.16`	`SteveMyers`	`it says "are the same files"`
`21:54.38`	`SteveMyers`	`cp japan2007.edj and /location/to/theme/japan2007.edj`
`21:54.42`	`SteveMyers`	`are the same files`
`21:54.44`	`SteveMyers`	`:-/`
`21:55.10`	`SteveMyers`	`I've installed a theme before, but never had this problem with the command`
`21:55.24`	`o[WildChild]o`	`paste the full error`
`21:55.54`	`SteveMyers`	`cp japan2007.edj and /location/to/theme/japan2007.edj are the same file`
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`21:56.29`	`Strider`	`hi all`
`21:56.31`	`o[WildChild]o`	`ls /location/to/theme just to see`
`21:56.39`	`o[WildChild]o`	`hi Strider`
`21:56.43`	`SteveMyers`	`k`
`21:56.50`	`SteveMyers`	`yep it's there`
`21:56.56`	`SteveMyers`	`wait`
`21:56.58`	`SteveMyers`	`lol one sec`
`21:57.06`	`SteveMyers`	`forgot to restart E`
`21:57.07`	`SteveMyers`	`:p`
`21:57.11`	`o[WildChild]o`	`^^`
`21:57.15`	`Strider`	`I noticed that today's dist-upgrade was sizeable with most of enlightenment upgraded....what's up?`
`21:57.28`	`SteveMyers`	`still not there :p`
`21:57.51`	`o[WildChild]o`	`SteveMyers: what is the real location ?`
`21:57.59`	`Strider`	`o[WildChild]o, how you?`
`21:58.03`	`SteveMyers`	`/home/bb/.e/e/themes`
`21:58.11`	`wasynyt`	`i think that to install e17 you need to copy it to the local folder... /home/someone/.e(`
`21:58.19`	`o[WildChild]o`	`it should work`
`21:58.21`	`wasynyt`	`and so on`
`21:58.22`	`SteveMyers`	`exactly`
`21:58.24`	`SteveMyers`	`but it's not`
`21:58.26`	`SteveMyers`	`:-/`
`21:58.36`	`o[WildChild]o`	`Strider: how me what? :)`
`21:58.42`	`Strider`	`any issues with the dist-upgrade?`
`21:58.56`	`o[WildChild]o`	`im not on elive :)`
`21:59.07`	`Strider`	`oh...`
`21:59.10`	`wasynyt`	`my moude theme changed... :(`
`21:59.13`	`wasynyt`	`*mouse`
`21:59.16`	`o[WildChild]o`	`I would like though :)`
`21:59.22`	`Strider`	`after dist-upgrade?`
`21:59.29`	`wasynyt`	`yes..`
`21:59.57`	`Strider`	`wasynyt, after dist-upgrade... I think some things are being adjusted...`
`22:00.20`	`Strider`	`redownload the themes...`
`22:00.30`	`wasynyt`	`Strider, i know it is still in heavy development`
`22:00.43`	`Strider`	`wasynyt, redownload and install the theme from synaptic`
`22:00.48`	`wasynyt`	`i dont know how to reinstall mouse theme`
`22:00.57`	`wasynyt`	`what could it be called`
`22:01.07`	`Strider`	`mouse theme??`
`22:01.15`	`Strider`	`I don't recall that one`
`22:01.52`	`wasynyt`	`perhaps... well my mouse theme changed after dist-upgrade.. it now looks something similiar to ubuntus`
`22:01.54`	`SteveMyers`	`going to try to cp the theme`
`22:01.57`	`SteveMyers`	`and see what happens`
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`22:02.05`	`SteveMyers`	`did a rm -rf so we'll see :p`
`22:02.13`	`wasynyt`	`:)`
`22:02.40`	`SteveMyers`	`I have a feeling that the edj should be extracted`
`22:02.45`	`SteveMyers`	`or am I wrong?`
`22:02.53`	`wasynyt`	`could be`
`22:03.05`	`SteveMyers`	`anyone know that extract command?`
`22:03.05`	`sinplomo`	`SteveMyers, edje_decc`
`22:03.09`	`wasynyt`	`no... .edj is the enlightenments binary format`
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`22:03.24`	`wasynyt`	`its just fine as is..`
`22:03.44`	`SteveMyers`	`simplomo?`
`22:03.51`	`wasynyt`	`the upgrade also broke my engage :(`
`22:03.53`	`wasynyt`	`?`
`22:04.32`	`wasynyt`	`SteveMyers, dont try to do anything funny to the .edj i think you will just waste your time`
`22:04.42`	`sinplomo`	`SteveMyers, edje_decc file.edj`
`22:04.54`	`sinplomo`	`to extract it ;)`
`22:04.58`	`SteveMyers`	`ty`
`22:05.04`	`sinplomo`	`the code is on .edc files ...`
`22:06.08`	`SteveMyers`	`yep`
`22:06.09`	`SteveMyers`	`it worked`
`22:06.15`	`SteveMyers`	`ty simplomo`
`22:06.17`	`SteveMyers`	`:)`
`22:06.18`	`sinplomo`	`:)`
`22:06.26`	`sinplomo`	`you're welcome`
`22:07.22`	`SteveMyers`	`last quick question`
`22:07.38`	`SteveMyers`	`how do I make the bottom panel not zoom the icons`
`22:07.51`	`wasynyt_sleep`	`configure ?`
`22:08.08`	`wasynyt_sleep`	`in the options..`
`22:08.12`	`sinplomo`	`SteveMyers, engage ?`
`22:08.17`	`SteveMyers`	`yeah`
`22:08.41`	`sinplomo`	`$ engage -h \| grep zoom`
`22:08.41`	`sinplomo`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:08.41`	`sinplomo`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:08.41`	`sinplomo`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`22:16.08`	`Strider`	`Thanatermesis, you around?`
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`22:20.55`	`Strider`	`Thanatermesis, ?`
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`22:21.26`	`sinplomo`	`Strider, what's the problem ?`
`22:21.40`	`Strider`	`...I'd say today's dis-upgrade was a tragedy`
`22:22.33`	`Strider`	`entrance doesn't work...can't choose 16 or 17 without a big delay...Icon tray not working....eeeyouheee`
`22:22.55`	`Strider`	`I had things so smooth too...and boom...`
`22:23.06`	`sinplomo`	`who sayed you to dist-upgrade :P`
`22:23.07`	`sinplomo`	`?`
`22:24.10`	`Strider`	`dist-upgrade is a daily practice for most distros, people want fixed stuff...todays upgraded most of elive's things`
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`22:24.38`	`Strider`	`and I'm a tester on the development team...too..`
`22:24.59`	`Thanatermesis`	`Strider pong`
`22:25.06`	`Strider`	`hi`
`22:25.13`	`Thanatermesis`	`Strider what icon tray ?`
`22:25.28`	`Strider`	`the ibox`
`22:25.36`	`Thanatermesis`	`the ibox is the minimizer`
`22:25.41`	`sinplomo`	`not everyday`
`22:25.42`	`Thanatermesis`	`you speak about the itray of e17...`
`22:25.57`	`Thanatermesis`	`do you remember to e17 is unstable Strider ?`
`22:26.27`	`Strider`	`it was stable on my box about an hour ago :^(`
`22:26.38`	`o[WildChild]o`	`what did you do then?`
`22:26.51`	`Thanatermesis`	`incorrect Strider... e17 is in developement, not exist any release stable`
`22:27.00`	`Strider`	`dist-upgrade and a bunch of elive changes...`
`22:27.10`	`Strider`	`not only enlightenment changes`
`22:27.15`	`o[WildChild]o`	`Strider: they just seem stable , but they aren't`
`22:27.29`	`Thanatermesis`	`Strider the itray is posible a normal thing..`
`22:27.31`	`Strider`	`redioactive LOL`
`22:28.10`	`Thanatermesis`	`about entrance, i have deleted my modifications on the themes because im think'in to the patch is perfectly applied to the CVS.... but after you speak about the e16-e17 selection i think to not is applied...`
`22:28.15`	`Strider`	`whatever Thanatermesis the little minimizer that showed the little icons is not working and entrance is messed up too...`
`22:28.41`	`Thanatermesis`	`calm down Strider, dont stress :)`
`22:28.51`	`Strider`	`not stressing... :)`
`22:28.58`	`Strider`	`just being helpful`
`22:29.11`	`Thanatermesis`	`ok Strider... make a look to this`
`22:29.17`	`Strider`	`you should know when something breaks`
`22:29.39`	`Thanatermesis`	`http://thana.no-ip.org/tmp/shots/entrance-bug-menusession.jpg`
`22:29.53`	`Thanatermesis`	`do you look the GREEN rectangle ?`
`22:30.08`	`Thanatermesis`	`this is the real part where you can posible to click for show the menu...`
`22:30.30`	`Thanatermesis`	`but because a little old bug, not is posible to show the menu if you click exactly on the part of image or the letters...`
`22:31.06`	`Strider`	`ok I see...and now If I click the menu session it does nothing for about 10 clicks`
`22:31.10`	`Thanatermesis`	`but if you click more "right" to this letters, before to finish the green rectangle, the menu are show perfectly`
`22:31.34`	`Thanatermesis`	`can you posible to verify me if is THIS the bug of you speak about the menus ? try to found the "zone" where you can posible to show the menu...`
`22:31.48`	`Strider`	`ok I try now...hold`
`22:31.55`	`Thanatermesis`	`i not have tested it because my computer works day and night.. i don't exit any time of the X system`
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`22:33.32`	`Strider`	`Thanatermesis, if I click to the right about an inch over it works...but that is very deceptive`
`22:33.44`	`Thanatermesis`	`<Thanatermesis> i not have tested it because my computer works day and night.. i don't exit any time of the X system`
`22:34.03`	`Thanatermesis`	`yes Strider... this is very deceptive... i don't understand why my patches not are accepted`
`22:34.18`	`Strider`	`hmmm...`
`22:35.38`	`Strider`	`any way to see my minimized icons again? When I minimize a menu, it doesnt give me an icon box anymore`
`22:36.04`	`Strider`	`Icon box module is loaded, but invisable`
`22:36.51`	`Strider`	`the clock still doesnt work in many themes either...`
`22:37.03`	`Thanatermesis`	`Strider enable again the module of "ibox"`
`22:37.05`	`Strider`	`tclock works but only 24 hour mode`
`22:37.10`	`Strider`	`ok`
`22:37.58`	`Strider`	`ok...that worked the upgrade must have turned it off`
`22:38.02`	`Strider`	`thanks...`
`22:38.53`	`Thanatermesis`	`Strider can you posible ot look if "elive-essence" works ?`
`22:39.06`	`Strider`	`hmm only visable problem then is entrance ok I try essence`
`22:39.47`	`Strider`	`eseence (blue globe) works I dont know about the speaker icon one`
`22:40.12`	`Thanatermesis`	`"elive-essence" from the audio menu`
`22:40.16`	`Thanatermesis`	`it connects ?`
`22:40.58`	`Strider`	`yes it connects`
`22:41.08`	`Thanatermesis`	`ok, this is all`
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`22:41.46`	`Strider`	`both the icons blue globe and speaker one both connect but blue globe connects automatically and speaker icon (xmms) you have to press play`
`22:42.02`	`Thanatermesis`	`ok Strider... i put again my patch for the entrance themes and i try to understand why is not accepted in the CVS... tomorrow you have the next upgrade with entrance working`
`22:42.14`	`Thanatermesis`	`yes, i know`
`22:43.08`	`Strider`	`np...sorry for sounding stress not stressed I love elive and you are my friend.,. if I sound disappointed it is to help only...if I become a problem just tell me to "shutup" :)`
`22:43.35`	`Strider`	`apt shutup`
`22:43.36`	`apt`	`yes master, I'll STFU`
`22:43.47`	`Strider`	`LOL`
`22:44.10`	`Strider`	`+B)`
`22:44.33`	`Thanatermesis`	`nah Strider... bug reports are good`
`22:44.46`	`Strider`	`+B) <------ that is me my sign`
`22:45.11`	`Thanatermesis`	`i don't have verified the entrance thing because i don't have exit from X since days... i have just asume to my patch (since some months) are actually accepted and included on the CVS`
`22:45.47`	`Strider`	`I would say the click zone is about 3/4 of an inch offset from the actual elive logo`
`22:45.56`	`Strider`	`to the right`
`22:46.06`	`Thanatermesis`	`yes... i know the bug`
`22:46.18`	`Strider`	`not quite an inch`
`22:46.48`	`Strider`	`ok I be back....PEACE LOVE AND BEER!!!`
`22:46.59`	`Strider`	`apt beer`
`22:47.01`	`apt`	`it has been said that beer is not just for breakfast anymore`
`22:47.07`	`Strider`	`LOL`
`22:48.00`	`Strider`	`Thanatermesis, how to disable the elive splashscreen at strartup?`
`22:48.24`	`Strider`	`...if forgot prolly in elpanel`
`22:48.54`	`Thanatermesis`	`what thing ?`
`22:50.58`	`Strider`	`I found it...in config... the enlightenment splashcreen is starting after upgrade...I found the way to disable it in config menu`
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`22:52.23`	`Strider`	`everything looks ok for now...I like my unstable system as long as it works LOL +B^)`
`22:52.42`	`Strider`	`ELIVE rox...`
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`23:26.31`	`LinuxNIT`	`Thanatermesis, are you here?`
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`23:28.58`	`LinuxNIT`	`oh well ill catch ya later thana`
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`23:30.12`	`SteveMyers`	`just noticed that I have e16 on Elive, forgot to dist-upgrade to e17 when I first got it :p`
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`23:35.38`	`Mutacion`	`SteveMyers, u also have e17 on elive`
`23:35.57`	`Mutacion`	`u onli have to chose betwen e16 or e17 at ur login`
`23:36.26`	`SteveMyers`	`yeah, I forgot about that :-/`
`23:36.41`	`SteveMyers`	`just doing dist-upgrade then I'll switch`
`23:37.09`	`Thanatermesis_`	`SteveMyers click more on the "right" part of entrance for select the e16/e17 option.. tomorrow are fixed with the next upgrade`
`23:37.23`	`Thanatermesis_`	`or better... dist-upgrade tomorrow, is better`
`23:37.49`	`SteveMyers`	`very cool, will do then`
`23:37.50`	`SteveMyers`	`brb`
`23:38.23`	`egrub`	`Thanatermesis, elive tiene problemas?`
`23:39.18`	`Thanatermesis_`	`solo un pequeño bug en entrance egrub`
`23:39.29`	`Thanatermesis_`	`hice un patch arreglando el problema, pero no entiendo porque no me han hecho caso`
`23:39.38`	`Thanatermesis_`	`por culpa de eso ahora esta ese problema..`
`23:39.52`	`Thanatermesis_`	`ya les e mandado un email para preguntarles que que pasa ?`
`23:40.26`	`egrub`	`Thanatermesis, ya veo`
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`23:42.00`	`SteveMyers`	`ok`
`23:42.02`	`SteveMyers`	`quick question, where is the session screen at?`
`23:42.14`	`SteveMyers`	`I don't see where I can choose from e16 or e17`
`23:42.21`	`SteveMyers`	`unless it's hidden`
`23:42.35`	`Mutacion`	`ur now at the login screen?`
`23:42.42`	`SteveMyers`	`no, I'm in 16`
`23:43.04`	`Mutacion`	`well when u turn on ur pc.. it enters to a login mananger?`
`23:43.12`	`SteveMyers`	`correct`
`23:43.34`	`Mutacion`	`well there in the login manager.. at the left corner u can choose either e16 or e17`
`23:43.45`	`SteveMyers`	`you sure?`
`23:43.48`	`SteveMyers`	`O.o`
`23:43.55`	`SteveMyers`	`is it an E that is spinning?`
`23:44.05`	`egrub`	`Thanatermesis_, solo tengo soluci?n es meter gentoo y hacer chroot al desinstalar entrance`
`23:44.07`	`egrub`	`Listo`
`23:44.08`	`Mutacion`	`nop.. is in the bottom corner`
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`23:44.20`	`SteveMyers`	`bottom left`
`23:44.21`	`SteveMyers`	`ok`
`23:44.24`	`SteveMyers`	`brb then`
`23:44.28`	`Mutacion`	`yeah.. clik on e16`
`23:44.30`	`Thanatermesis_`	`egrub no te preocupes, no es un problema grande ;)`
`23:44.47`	`egrub`	`Thanatermesis_, no uso mucho las cosas gr?ficas`
`23:44.49`	`egrub`	`xD`
`23:44.55`	`Thanatermesis_`	`jejeje`
`23:49.54`	`LinuxNIT`	`Thanatermesis_,`
`23:50.01`	`Thanatermesis_`	`LinuxNIT`
`23:50.19`	`LinuxNIT`	`remember you asked me to retry the fast install on my computer?`
`23:50.29`	`Thanatermesis_`	`yes`
`23:50.55`	`LinuxNIT`	`i did and it installed fine. although it was NOT fast :) i fell alsleep durnig the install :)`
`23:51.44`	`LinuxNIT`	`however i rebooted and forgot to pull the cd out and this time when it booted the it listed pages of cloop errors. s`
`23:52.04`	`LinuxNIT`	`so...`
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`23:52.28`	`SteveMyers`	`much better`
`23:52.37`	`LinuxNIT`	`i think from this and other things i have seen from my drive that it has occaisional problems`
`23:53.07`	`LinuxNIT`	`so i think the installer is fine its just my computer thats wierd :)`
`23:54.03`	`LinuxNIT`	`sorry for so much typing :-/`
`23:54.11`	`Thanatermesis_`	`if you pull the cd out is normal to you look errors...`
`23:54.29`	`LinuxNIT`	`the hd install boots fine`
`23:54.41`	`Thanatermesis_`	`what you have selected when has ask about "fast" or "normal" mode ?`
`23:54.49`	`LinuxNIT`	`fast`
`23:55.02`	`Thanatermesis_`	`no... you have 2 options: "ok" and "cancel"`
`23:55.30`	`LinuxNIT`	`i chose cancel`
`23:55.46`	`Thanatermesis`	`ok.. this is fast then`
`23:55.52`	`Thanatermesis`	`and what time of installation ?`
`23:56.07`	`LinuxNIT`	`yeah :) but it didnt go fast in reallity :)`
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`23:56.16`	`saad3000`	`hello all.`
`23:56.23`	`Thanatermesis`	`what time aproximately ?`
`23:56.27`	`bouba_diop`	`hi`
`23:57.03`	`saad3000`	`Thanatermesis: how are ya?`
`23:57.21`	`LinuxNIT`	`it was about 2/3 of the way done at 30 minutes but then i fell asleep :)`
`23:57.27`	`Thanatermesis`	`saad3000 very tired...`
`23:57.53`	`LinuxNIT`	`1.5ghz amd athlon 512 ram :)`
`23:58.05`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt x en es asleep`
`23:58.22`	`saad3000`	`Thanatermesis: god bless u`
`23:58.32`	`saad3000`	`Thanatermesis: goodnight.`
`23:59.04`	`Thanatermesis`	`LinuxNIT sleep ? it stops ? how to posible ?`
`23:59.29`	`LinuxNIT`	`me i am the one that slept`

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