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`00:00.06`	`GPLGeek`	`thousands of fps in glxgears`
`00:00.19`	`GPLGeek`	`4000 to 10000 depending on the card.`
`00:00.23`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek apt-cache policy fglrx-kernel-2.6.12`
`00:01.00`	`GPLGeek`	`installed: 8.20.8-1`
`00:01.03`	`SteveMyers`	`ok, need a good reboot...brb`
`00:01.04`	`GPLGeek`	`oh no!`
`00:01.08`	`GPLGeek`	`some reason it's not working`
`00:02.03`	`Mutacion`	`Thanatermesis, http://wiki.elivecd.org/en/blog/mutacion/synce_ipaq_pocket_pc_0 <-- lixto`
`00:02.10`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek cat /proc/version`
`00:03.10`	`GPLGeek`	`linux version 2.6.12`
`00:03.34`	`GPLGeek`	`I used those files that worked on my laptop before (I had a tar of them on my server)`
`00:03.36`	`GPLGeek`	`just now`
`00:03.39`	`GPLGeek`	`and they still didnt work`
`00:03.50`	`GPLGeek`	`so there is something else gonig on`
`00:05.01`	`Thanatermesis`	`perfecto Mutacion :)`
`00:05.12`	`Mutacion`	`exceleeeeeeeeeeente DUUUDE!! xD`
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`00:05.34`	`SteveMyers`	`wow`
`00:05.36`	`SteveMyers`	`nice reboot`
`00:05.38`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek apt-cache policy fglrx-kernel-2.6.12 the candidate and the installed is the 8.20 ?`
`00:06.05`	`GPLGeek`	`8.20 installed`
`00:06.14`	`GPLGeek`	`I wonder why this is happening.`
`00:06.36`	`GPLGeek`	`I should not have reinstaleld for grub LOL I would have had a working system`
`00:07.09`	`SteveMyers`	`:-/`
`00:08.24`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt x en es I should not have reinstaleld for grub LOL I would have had a working system`
`00:09.09`	`GPLGeek`	`bad translator!`
`00:09.26`	`Mutacion`	`lallito xD... en es..haha ... no debi de haber reinstalado grub.. lol..debia de haber tenido un sistema ya funcionando`
`00:09.41`	`Mutacion`	`eso qiso decir el GPLGeek`
`00:09.47`	`Thanatermesis`	`mmmh, let me make a look GPLGeek ...`
`00:09.53`	`GPLGeek`	`Last night I installed elive again to find the gurb bug, but fglrx was working before that lol.`
`00:09.54`	`Mutacion`	`xD`
`00:10.03`	`GPLGeek`	`Thanatermesis, im going to do a apt-get upgrade first`
`00:10.08`	`GPLGeek`	`and then test it`
`00:10.20`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek check your version of fglrx-driver`
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`00:10.31`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek lsmod \| grep radeon`
`00:10.42`	`GPLGeek`	`8.20`
`00:10.42`	`Thanatermesis`	`hola Alguien`
`00:10.51`	`GPLGeek`	`radeon not loaded`
`00:10.52`	`Alguien`	`hola`
`00:10.56`	`Alguien`	`como va?`
`00:11.37`	`Thanatermesis`	`muy bien Alguien :)`
`00:11.47`	`GPLGeek`	`oh wait I just did it as sudo and then it gave me radeion and drm`
`00:11.49`	`Alguien`	`jeje :)`
`00:12.20`	`Mutacion`	`todo chido Alguien`
`00:12.44`	`Alguien`	`esta buena la musica que trae el xmms por default :-)`
`00:13.01`	`GPLGeek`	`what command to remove radeon?`
`00:13.12`	`GPLGeek`	`(xorg.conf is set to fglrx)`
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`00:16.09`	`egrub`	`Alguien, si está buenísima esta música. ;)`
`00:16.14`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek rmmod`
`00:16.22`	`Alguien`	`:-D`
`00:16.31`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek edit your /etc/modules, and delete the "drm" and "radeon" lines, and add fglrx ;)`
`00:16.43`	`Thanatermesis`	`also.. this is fixed for the installer + next release ;)`
`00:17.32`	`GPLGeek`	`fglrx is there`
`00:19.25`	`Alguien`	`anda bastante bien el elive 0.3 en una toshiba de 100mhz con 147mb de ram`
`00:19.36`	`Thanatermesis`	`Alguien :)`
`00:19.37`	`Alguien`	`ahora tengo que probar la nueva version :-)`
`00:19.49`	`Thanatermesis`	`Alguien con esa ram si que puede andar bien... la cpu es lenta pero la ram es buena :)`
`00:20.12`	`Alguien`	`lo estube usando durante 6 meses :-D`
`00:20.48`	`Alguien`	`tenia un par de segmentation faults pero nada grave :-P`
`00:20.59`	`Alguien`	`:-)`
`00:24.16`	`GPLGeek`	`Thanatermesis, there was two fglrx-driver installed`
`00:24.20`	`GPLGeek`	`how is that possible?`
`00:24.39`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek maybe on is "-dev"`
`00:24.48`	`GPLGeek`	`maybe`
`00:24.53`	`Thanatermesis`	`not is bad`
`00:25.04`	`GPLGeek`	`well I just removed and re-installed and now works`
`00:25.05`	`Thanatermesis`	`and you are correct... if is the same, not is posible :)`
`00:25.18`	`Thanatermesis`	`good then :)`
`00:25.38`	`GPLGeek`	`4600FPS`
`00:26.10`	`Thanatermesis`	`:)`
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`00:31.46`	`Thanatermesis`	`Alguien que estuviste probando ? e17 o e16 ?`
`00:34.23`	`Alguien`	`ambos`
`00:34.38`	`Alguien`	`el e16 anda hasta normal se podria decir`
`00:34.45`	`egrub`	`Thanatermesis, en Elive?`
`00:34.55`	`Alguien`	`mientras que el e17 es un punto mas lentito`
`00:35.04`	`Alguien`	`pero no es aceptable`
`00:35.14`	`Alguien`	`pero ES aceptable :-)`
`00:35.16`	`egrub`	`Alguien, E17 anda un poco mas lento que E16?`
`00:35.23`	`Alguien`	`sip`
`00:35.26`	`egrub`	`Ya veo`
`00:35.48`	`Thanatermesis`	`egrub pero en un 100 Mhz, eh ? ;) jejee`
`00:35.54`	`Alguien`	`jejeje`
`00:35.56`	`Thanatermesis`	`ok Alguien, prueba una cosa, quizas te vaya mejor asi...`
`00:36.02`	`Thanatermesis`	`upgradea el paquete "elive-skel"`
`00:36.13`	`Alguien`	`echo :-)`
`00:36.13`	`egrub`	`Thanatermesis, no sé. No tengo pc viejísima. Paris Hilton lo tiene un 486.`
`00:36.15`	`egrub`	`xD`
`00:36.17`	`Thanatermesis`	`luego haz un "elive-skel upgrade" y selecciona ".enlightenment"`
`00:36.27`	`Thanatermesis`	`y despues de eso, instala el paquete "enlightenment"`
`00:36.31`	`Thanatermesis`	`ese es el e16.7`
`00:36.39`	`Thanatermesis`	`mientras que en Elive por defecto esta e16.8`
`00:36.48`	`Thanatermesis`	`yo no se porque.. pero me da que esa version es mas rapida`
`00:37.04`	`Alguien`	`en cuanto pueda lo pruebo`
`00:37.04`	`Thanatermesis`	`egrub estas enamorado de paris hilton eh ? xDDDd`
`00:37.22`	`egrub`	`Thanatermesis, no. Me parto la risa esta pelotuda Paris. xDDDDDDD`
`00:37.22`	`Thanatermesis`	`ok, ya me diras tu punto de vista Alguien`
`00:37.34`	`Alguien`	`ahora tengo instalado un Mutagenix 2.6.11 con Gnome 2.11 :-)`
`00:37.52`	`Thanatermesis`	`si upgradeas el ".enlightenment", tendras la conf preparada de 'Elive' para ese e16.7 (ya que usa una en diferente dir) ;)`
`00:37.53`	`egrub`	`Alguien, Mutagenix está basado slackware?`
`00:38.07`	`Alguien`	`sip`
`00:38.11`	`egrub`	`Ya veo`
`00:38.21`	`Thanatermesis`	`jejeje egrub`
`00:38.23`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt paris hilton`
`00:38.26`	`egrub`	`xDD`
`00:38.31`	`Alguien`	`xD`
`00:38.35`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt paris hilton is a big pelotuda`
`00:38.36`	`apt`	`okay, Thanatermesis`
`00:38.40`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt paris hilton`
`00:38.42`	`apt`	`i heard paris hilton is a big pelotuda`
`00:39.02`	`egrub`	`Jajajajaja!!`
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`00:47.51`	`Alguien`	`de donde puedo sacar el parche para dillo que le agrega pestañas?`
`00:48.10`	`Alguien`	`no lo pude encontrar por ningun lado :-P`
`00:51.05`	`Elive_user10`	`hello`
`00:52.07`	`Alguien`	`Hi`
`00:52.18`	`Thanatermesis`	`Alguien con 140 megas de ram necesitas dillo ? si you hago tirar el opera en una maquina (360 Mhz) con 64 megas de ram, jeje`
`00:52.41`	`Thanatermesis`	`Alguien creo que "links2 -g" es mejor que dillo`
`00:52.46`	`Alguien`	`mmmmm`
`00:52.49`	`Alguien`	`puede ser`
`00:53.12`	`Alguien`	`tendre que probar mas :-)`
`00:53.33`	`Alguien`	`nunca instale opera en esa maquina porque la conexion es dial-up :-S`
`00:55.43`	`Thanatermesis`	`el paquete son 8 megas creo`
`00:55.46`	`egrub`	`Opera no es libre. Es solo gratis.`
`00:55.52`	`Thanatermesis`	`yo lo uso en el portatil... es bastante mas ligero que firefox`
`00:55.59`	`Thanatermesis`	`bueno.. un poco mas ligero`
`00:56.04`	`Thanatermesis`	`pero es igual de completo para todo`
`00:56.12`	`Thanatermesis`	`egrub si... pero es mejor tambien xD`
`00:56.13`	`Alguien`	`pero dudo que sea mas ligero que dillo :-P`
`00:56.21`	`egrub`	`Si...`
`00:56.22`	`Alguien`	`:-)`
`00:56.39`	`Thanatermesis`	`Alguien eso esta claro...`
`00:56.44`	`Alguien`	`jejeje`
`00:56.45`	`Thanatermesis`	`pero yo por ejemplo el dillo no me sirve en el portatil`
`00:56.57`	`Thanatermesis`	`porque donde entro son en paginas que necesitan login y demas...`
`00:57.08`	`Thanatermesis`	`algunas me dicen que si mi browser no soporta login`
`00:57.18`	`Thanatermesis`	`gmail me dice que mi browser no tiene cookies`
`00:57.28`	`Thanatermesis`	`y luego no hablemos de java/flash`
`00:57.49`	`Alguien`	`es muy limitado el dillo en esos aspectos :-P`
`00:57.55`	`Thanatermesis`	`hoy en dia, casi no encuentras nada en internet que funcione con un browser simple, jeje`
`00:58.08`	`Thanatermesis`	`mi pagina personal por ejemplo es totalmente incompatible con IE :)`
`00:58.16`	`Alguien`	`xD`
`00:58.22`	`egrub`	`Thanatermesis, estas mejor!!`
`00:58.24`	`egrub`	`xD`
`00:58.52`	`Thanatermesis`	`incluso si entras con IE te sale un mensaje advirtiendote del gran riesgo que corres al usarlo xD`
`00:59.23`	`egrub`	`Que tristeza en IE para hacer paja`
`00:59.23`	`Alguien`	`jejej`
`00:59.24`	`egrub`	`xD`
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`01:01.52`	`Alguien`	`porque firefox 1.0.7 y no 1.5? :-S`
`01:02.02`	`Thanatermesis`	`todo el mundo dice lo mismo...`
`01:02.06`	`Alguien`	`jejeje`
`01:02.08`	`Thanatermesis`	`pero nadie me dice que tiene de mejor el 1.5`
`01:02.13`	`Alguien`	`soy poco original xD`
`01:02.19`	`Thanatermesis`	`xD`
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`01:02.36`	`Alguien`	`la verdad no sabria decirte :-P`
`01:02.37`	`Thanatermesis`	`no... el problema es que no esta en el repo de ETCH, y por compatiblidad... prefiero dejar el 1.0.7`
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`01:02.48`	`Thanatermesis`	`si la gente me insiste mucho lo acabaria poniendo...`
`01:03.00`	`Thanatermesis`	`pero primero me gustaria saber alguna razon de en que es mejor :/`
`01:03.08`	`Alguien`	`y si pones el opera?`
`01:03.15`	`Thanatermesis`	`en eso estaba pensando...`
`01:03.31`	`Thanatermesis`	`pero necesitaria mirarme como esta la cosa acerca de eso`
`01:03.41`	`Thanatermesis`	`el permiso de redistribucion vamos`
`01:03.45`	`Alguien`	`licencias licencias licencias....`
`01:03.49`	`Alguien`	`:-P`
`01:04.22`	`Thanatermesis`	`pues si...`
`01:05.19`	`Thanatermesis`	`lo mejor en windows (para ellos) es que nadie lee su licencia... tienen suerte xD`
`01:05.28`	`Alguien`	`ejejejej`
`01:05.38`	`Alguien`	`hasta que se pongan serios con el tema`
`01:05.40`	`egrub`	`xDDD`
`01:05.47`	`Thanatermesis`	`no se quien me dijo el otro dia que una chica compro un windows... y cuando leyó la licencia, volvio enseguida a la tienda a que le devolvieran el dinero :D`
`01:06.11`	`Alguien`	`xD`
`01:06.25`	`Alguien`	`la de corel creo que era`
`01:06.45`	`Alguien`	`tenian derecho a revisar tu casa tus cosas y encima vos pagavas por la revision :-P`
`01:06.58`	`Thanatermesis`	`xDDDDDDDDDDDDDD`
`01:07.01`	`Alguien`	`*pagabas`
`01:07.06`	`Thanatermesis`	`que locura`
`01:07.07`	`Alguien`	`:-)`
`01:07.13`	`Thanatermesis`	`seguro que no era la de windows ? xD`
`01:07.19`	`Alguien`	`hay que tener cuidado con la letra pequeña...`
`01:07.21`	`Alguien`	`xD`
`01:07.36`	`Alguien`	`en la de windows tienen derecho a tu alma... :-`
`01:07.42`	`Alguien`	`XDDDD`
`01:08.27`	`egrub`	`Jajaja`
`01:13.08`	`Thanatermesis`	`xDDDD`
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`01:14.56`	`egrub`	`<Alguien> en la de windows tienen derecho a tu alma... :-`
`01:15.00`	`egrub`	`Buena respuesta`
`01:15.00`	`egrub`	`xD`
`01:15.29`	`Thanatermesis`	`jejeje`
`01:16.29`	`Alguien`	`jejejej`
`01:18.35`	`Alguien`	`por ahi te interesa esto sobre opera ---> http://composer.opera.com/composer3/`
`01:19.16`	`egrub`	`A ver`
`01:20.51`	`Alguien`	`aca te muestra el acuerdo que tenes que aceptar --> http://composer.opera.com/composer3/agreement.dml?jobtitle=other&paymentmethod=nopay&name=a&typeorg=nonprofit&company=a&address=aaaa&country=AR&phone=&distributionsize=more+than+10.000&mail=algo%40algo.com&pwd1=algo&pwd2=algo`
`01:22.03`	`Thanatermesis`	`lo unico que queda por saber ahora es la opinion de la gente reemplazar firefox por opera`
`01:22.11`	`Thanatermesis`	`aunque creo que el mplayer nos jode en este punto`
`01:22.21`	`Thanatermesis`	`no creo que opera reproduzca videos como lo hace mplayer en firefox`
`01:22.30`	`Alguien`	`:-S`
`01:22.40`	`Alguien`	`el vlc anda joya con opera :-)`
`01:22.46`	`Alguien`	`no es gpl el vlc?`
`01:25.47`	`egrub`	`Thanatermesis, opera necesita QT`
`01:25.56`	`Thanatermesis`	`egrub qt ?`
`01:25.58`	`Thanatermesis`	`qt de kde ?`
`01:25.59`	`egrub`	`Si`
`01:26.06`	`Thanatermesis`	`:/`
`01:26.31`	`egrub`	`Pero siempre uso firefox`
`01:26.32`	`Thanatermesis`	`bueno... quizas incluirlo en los repositorios estaria bien :)`
`01:26.37`	`egrub`	`Jamás me dio el problema`
`01:26.41`	`Thanatermesis`	`y quien lo quiera que haga apt-get install ;)`
`01:27.00`	`egrub`	`Si pero alguien no usa debian...`
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`01:31.06`	`Alguien`	`basicamente por lo que lei de opera dicen "estodo nuestro, no somos responsables de nada`
`01:31.10`	`Alguien`	`no toques nada`
`01:31.24`	`Alguien`	`usalo pero nada mas, y no nos hacemos cargo de nada"`
`01:31.27`	`Alguien`	`:-S`
`01:32.34`	`egrub`	`Thanatermesis, bueno, ya instalé sin problemas.`
`01:33.05`	`egrub`	`La versión 8.52`
`01:33.12`	`Thanatermesis`	`Alguien pse... asi es`
`01:33.12`	`Alguien`	`:-)`
`01:33.33`	`Thanatermesis`	`no le veo lo malo... excepto que no estamos seguros que no lean nuestros passwords porque no es libre xD`
`01:33.56`	`Alguien`	`lo que mas incapie hacen es en que cada persona que lo use acepte la licencia`
`01:33.57`	`Thanatermesis`	`pero bueno, si nos ponemos en ese plan por UN programa que no es libre pero es gratis... no hablemos de TODO el software de windows...`
`01:34.09`	`Thanatermesis`	`ya, pero eso con todo`
`01:34.13`	`Thanatermesis`	`incluso windows xd`
`01:34.36`	`Alguien`	`xD`
`01:34.58`	`Alguien`	`la licencia de los drivers Gforce no es similar a la de opera?`
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`01:36.46`	`egrub`	`Thanatermesis, Opera no leen password`
`01:36.48`	`egrub`	`xD`
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`01:37.21`	`Thanatermesis`	`bueno, eso esperamos :)`
`01:37.34`	`egrub`	`Thanatermesis, solamente IE si.`
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`01:43.39`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek the new version of the installer is in the repositories with SATA support and the fixation of grub, if you like to test it :)`
`01:44.01`	`GPLGeek`	`sweet`
`01:44.08`	`GPLGeek`	`I may test it when I have time`
`01:44.19`	`GPLGeek`	`if I just apt-get update it will grab it right?`
`01:44.28`	`GPLGeek`	`er apt-get upgrade`
`01:44.57`	`LinuxNIT`	`uhh`
`01:45.10`	`LinuxNIT`	`shouldnt you do apt-get dist-upgrade?`
`01:45.23`	`LinuxNIT`	`or am i confused? i thought it was safer`
`01:46.59`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek in the installer ? just "apt-get update ; apt-get install eliveinstaller"`
`01:47.48`	`Thanatermesis`	`LinuxNIT better dist-upgrade`
`01:48.03`	`Thanatermesis`	`because dist-upgrade install also new pacakges if is needed, and upgrade no`
`01:48.10`	`LinuxNIT`	`lol`
`01:49.08`	`GPLGeek`	`I was going to do a apt-get upgrade anyways to test some things`
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`01:50.14`	`Thanatermesis`	`if you have ram... ok :)`
`01:50.32`	`Elive_user`	`Just finished benchmarks, elive is fast! Can't wait for a amd64 64bit version (won't happen for a while)`
`01:51.02`	`Elive_user`	`app load times on installed system is amazing`
`01:51.34`	`Thanatermesis`	`good Elive_user :)`
`01:51.44`	`Thanatermesis`	`do you have any benchmarks real writed ?`
`01:51.59`	`Thanatermesis`	`mmmh, comparations writed in a file or webpage ?`
`01:52.36`	`Elive_user`	`No comparisons.I'm only done with app load times and most loaded in under half a second`
`01:52.47`	`Elive_user`	`gaming will also be tested`
`01:53.02`	`Thanatermesis`	`:)`
`01:53.16`	`GPLGeek`	`Sean?`
`01:53.20`	`Elive_user`	`YA`
`01:53.29`	`Thanatermesis`	`oh.. i have like'd to have a big file with all this writed... for post it on my webpage :)`
`01:53.36`	`GPLGeek`	`Oh, hes my friend he been working with me on some things`
`01:54.12`	`GPLGeek`	`Well we need to use the right benchmarking tools too.`
`01:54.23`	`GPLGeek`	`ones that other distros have used so we can compare accuratly`
`01:54.45`	`Thanatermesis`	`Elive_user maybe a future version for amd64 yes... im waiting for buy a amd64 machine for try to make it`
`01:54.56`	`Elive_user`	`the home brew app works though`
`01:56.45`	`GPLGeek`	`there are a few problems that the amd64 has and mainly its small things like needing to use 32bit firefox for flash`
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`01:58.01`	`Sean_G`	`GPLGeek, your laptop is running at 200mb used out of 1GB while streaming audio and playing the movie.`
`01:59.10`	`Sean_G`	`I will log off now, get the hard drive in the intel for benchmarks`
`01:59.15`	`GPLGeek`	`k`
`01:59.48`	`GPLGeek`	`This runs on OLD systems fastly.`
`02:00.12`	`GPLGeek`	`Elive and compressed air is how to fix a old computer =)`
`02:05.16`	`Alguien`	`hasta mañana gente...`
`02:06.23`	`SteveMyers`	`eliveinstaller... is that for the first time installer?`
`02:07.03`	`GPLGeek`	`Try it!`
`02:07.29`	`GPLGeek`	`I doubt it will have any problems`
`02:07.35`	`GPLGeek`	`he just patched the grub problem`
`02:07.49`	`GPLGeek`	`few other things`
`02:08.31`	`GPLGeek`	`if it does not work you can always just re-install using the normal installer, the install does not take long anymore`
`02:08.37`	`GPLGeek`	`it takes me just a few minutes`
`02:10.33`	`SteveMyers`	`hmm, I got mine fully patched up..`
`02:10.41`	`SteveMyers`	`not sure if I need it`
`02:10.46`	`SteveMyers`	`but I installed it anyways`
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`02:26.50`	`Elive_user96`	`can I make the epanel background transparent possibly ? ;))))`
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`02:28.20`	`SteveMyers`	`eh, the elpanel?`
`02:28.28`	`Elive_user96`	`at the bottom`
`02:28.31`	`Elive_user96`	`E16`
`02:28.37`	`SteveMyers`	`ah the engage`
`02:28.39`	`Elive_user96`	`bottom cent er`
`02:28.46`	`Elive_user96`	`ic`
`02:29.01`	`SteveMyers`	`check out the elpanel and select the 3rd icon to the far left`
`02:29.03`	`Elive_user96`	`where app launchers are ;)`
`02:29.18`	`Elive_user96`	`third from left is evidence`
`02:29.27`	`SteveMyers`	`my apologies`
`02:29.31`	`SteveMyers`	`Control Panel`
`02:29.36`	`Elive_user96`	`checking`
`02:29.48`	`SteveMyers`	`I'm on e17 so I have to remember`
`02:29.56`	`Elive_user96`	`I wish ;)`
`02:30.00`	`SteveMyers`	`hehe`
`02:30.00`	`Elive_user96`	`its too unstable atm`
`02:30.05`	`Elive_user96`	`but its gorgeoues ;))`
`02:30.09`	`SteveMyers`	`VERY`
`02:30.15`	`Elive_user96`	`:)`
`02:30.30`	`Elive_user96`	`did elive author use E17 api'`
`02:30.35`	`Elive_user96`	`s to make elive panel ?`
`02:30.47`	`SteveMyers`	`repharase for me if you could`
`02:30.59`	`Elive_user96`	`hm`
`02:31.26`	`Elive_user96`	`just wondering if the author of elive, used any of the E17 api to construct elive panel`
`02:31.56`	`SteveMyers`	`that I am not sure, Thanatermesis is the ONLY developer on elive, you can ask him when he is available :)`
`02:32.02`	`Elive_user96`	`ok`
`02:32.09`	`Elive_user96`	`ok im in elive panel..which icon`
`02:32.15`	`SteveMyers`	`third to the left`
`02:32.19`	`Elive_user96`	`he should really put text under icons ;)`
`02:32.20`	`SteveMyers`	`the "monitor"`
`02:32.27`	`SteveMyers`	`that would be nice`
`02:32.29`	`SteveMyers`	`actually`
`02:32.35`	`Elive_user96`	`third from left is printer it seems`
`02:32.35`	`SteveMyers`	`I was thinking that earlier`
`02:32.40`	`Elive_user96`	`dont get me wrong`
`02:32.41`	`SteveMyers`	`hmm`
`02:32.49`	`Elive_user96`	`I think elive panel is very clever`
`02:32.53`	`Elive_user96`	`just need text too ;))`
`02:32.57`	`SteveMyers`	`agreed`
`02:32.59`	`Elive_user96`	`well until one gets used to icons anyway`
`02:33.06`	`SteveMyers`	`I am sure he will do that ;)`
`02:33.11`	`Elive_user96`	`yeah`
`02:33.14`	`Elive_user96`	`I figured`
`02:33.15`	`SteveMyers`	`What do you see on that elive panel`
`02:33.17`	`SteveMyers`	`?`
`02:33.22`	`Elive_user96`	`16 icons`
`02:33.28`	`SteveMyers`	`oh boy`
`02:33.36`	`SteveMyers`	`did you click anything from then?`
`02:33.40`	`SteveMyers`	`before"`
`02:34.02`	`Elive_user96`	`ok sorry I found it`
`02:34.06`	`SteveMyers`	`ah ok`
`02:34.10`	`Elive_user96`	`before that :: look and feel which is first icon`
`02:34.16`	`SteveMyers`	`no worries`
`02:34.35`	`SteveMyers`	`what do you see now?`
`02:35.18`	`Elive_user96`	`nope`
`02:35.26`	`SteveMyers`	`no luck?`
`02:35.29`	`Elive_user96`	`just options about backgrounds and stuff but nothing for panel`
`02:35.35`	`SteveMyers`	`ah`
`02:35.42`	`SteveMyers`	`choose the background option`
`02:36.08`	`SteveMyers`	`on e17 it gives you an option to choose to change root/background/panel backgrounds`
`02:36.22`	`SteveMyers`	`so it should be the same on e16`
`02:37.42`	`SteveMyers`	`if you're having a hard time changing the background on the engage, check out ibar by "Left clicking" and then going to "Configuration "Configuration Panel" - "Modules" - "ibar"`
`02:37.53`	`Elive_user96`	`all I see is background selector, but nothing to alter panel transparency`
`02:38.03`	`Elive_user96`	`ok`
`02:38.29`	`SteveMyers`	`just a suggestion, just some like engage because it zooms the icons`
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`02:38.49`	`SteveMyers`	`but I prefer ibar because it's a lot cleaner to the desktop and doesn't zoom, plus not big icons`
`02:39.19`	`Elive_user96`	`I tend to no longer like the zooming icons`
`02:39.24`	`Elive_user96`	`but at first its interseting <G>`
`02:39.41`	`SteveMyers`	`it can be very annoying to some people`
`02:39.48`	`Elive_user96`	`I can see how lOL`
`02:39.52`	`SteveMyers`	`lol`
`02:39.59`	`Elive_user96`	`bah, I still dont see the option :))`
`02:40.03`	`Elive_user96`	`checking more`
`02:40.14`	`SteveMyers`	`the ibar does a pretty cool flash when you hover over it`
`02:40.20`	`SteveMyers`	`which is why I like it as well`
`02:40.21`	`Elive_user96`	`:)`
`02:41.12`	`SteveMyers`	`if you want to see some screenshots or get some other tips, check out: http://wiki.elivecd.org/en`
`02:41.31`	`SteveMyers`	`very useful source for new comers`
`02:41.54`	`Elive_user96`	`yeah im just not finding out how to do this..its not emergency though <G>`
`02:42.06`	`SteveMyers`	`no problem`
`02:42.26`	`SteveMyers`	`let me know, or someone here who is available to help you :)`
`02:42.40`	`Elive_user96`	`hmm darn`
`02:42.52`	`Elive_user96`	`I just tried to enable audio under: audio settings`
`02:42.59`	`Elive_user96`	`but it says unable todo so`
`02:43.17`	`Elive_user96`	`unable to load the : sound/samples/E-warning.wave ??`
`02:43.21`	`SteveMyers`	`yeah, that is because you need to config your also`
`02:43.28`	`Elive_user96`	`you mean alsa ?`
`02:43.33`	`SteveMyers`	`lol`
`02:43.36`	`SteveMyers`	`yes`
`02:43.45`	`SteveMyers`	`sorry a little tired`
`02:44.07`	`Elive_user96`	`well its no matter..this is just livecd so if I choose to install to HD I can do it then..so what must be done after HD intsall to get this working`
`02:44.11`	`Elive_user96`	`np`
`02:44.55`	`Elive_user96`	`im not happpy with direction either kde or gnome is taking so this is alternative`
`02:45.15`	`SteveMyers`	`to be honest, that is why I came to elive`
`02:45.32`	`SteveMyers`	`they both lack a lot, and it's terribly slow`
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`02:46.23`	`Elive_user96`	`yes`
`02:46.25`	`SteveMyers`	`I'm looking for the option on alsa incase you decide to figure out how to config`
`02:46.45`	`Elive_user96`	`well since reading the linus debocle with gnome useability ML i've since really pondered what I want to use`
`02:46.53`	`gnaunited`	`Why is apache installed and running by default?`
`02:46.57`	`Elive_user96`	`and kde is a bit buggy/bloated imo so thats not really an option either`
`02:47.12`	`SteveMyers`	`gnaunited, that is with mainly ever distro`
`02:47.26`	`SteveMyers`	`linux runs as a default server`
`02:47.46`	`Elive_user96`	`yeah its hard to remember that , given that the desktop has come so far...`
`02:47.48`	`SteveMyers`	`almost every distro comes with apache fully installed`
`02:48.02`	`SteveMyers`	`oh user96`
`02:48.04`	`SteveMyers`	`btw`
`02:48.07`	`Elive_user96`	`and no doubt with important ports closed <G>`
`02:48.37`	`SteveMyers`	`if you goto the Control Panel, and click the middle icon for "Enage manager" it will give you options, choose the last one`
`02:48.45`	`Elive_user96`	`checking`
`02:49.07`	`Elive_user96`	`ohhhhhhhhh dain it@ ;`
`02:49.10`	`SteveMyers`	`hehe`
`02:49.11`	`Elive_user96`	`im so sorry`
`02:49.20`	`SteveMyers`	`find it?`
`02:49.23`	`Elive_user96`	`I saw 'user config' and I though it was for configuring new users`
`02:49.28`	`Elive_user96`	`aint that silly of me!lol`
`02:49.34`	`SteveMyers`	`hehe`
`02:49.38`	`SteveMyers`	`no worries :)`
`02:49.38`	`Elive_user96`	`most likely here goes`
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`02:51.05`	`Elive_user96`	`interseting`
`02:51.14`	`Elive_user96`	`I can run some e17 feature even though in e 16`
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`02:51.19`	`Elive_user96`	`like for example: entangle`
`02:51.21`	`SteveMyers`	`:)`
`02:51.24`	`SteveMyers`	`yep`
`02:51.30`	`Elive_user96`	`no doubt with mixed results and prob. not reccommended ;))`
`02:51.45`	`SteveMyers`	`hehe`
`02:52.37`	`gnaunited`	`But unless the server is being used for something then should it really be on?`
`02:53.12`	`SteveMyers`	`gnaunited, the apache is not used in default, but can be enabled if you enable it to setup a server`
`02:53.13`	`gnaunited`	`It just seems like more resources that do not need to be used.`
`02:53.30`	`gnaunited`	`Every time I have installed apache is automatically on.`
`02:53.38`	`gnaunited`	`installed, apache`
`02:53.52`	`SteveMyers`	`that I am not sure of`
`02:53.58`	`SteveMyers`	`I rarely use apache`
`02:54.26`	`SteveMyers`	`you might want to ask the admin users who use those tools :)`
`02:54.40`	`Elive_user96`	`SteveMyers, nope , I still can't find way to make engage background transparent`
`02:54.46`	`SteveMyers`	`hmm`
`02:54.49`	`SteveMyers`	`one sec then`
`02:55.12`	`Elive_user96`	`oh also btw..how do I use ibar instead of engage ;))`
`02:55.56`	`SteveMyers`	`left click - "Configuration" - Configuration Panel - Modules - ibar`
`02:56.00`	`Elive_user96`	`wwwwwwwwwait I fdound it`
`02:56.05`	`SteveMyers`	`I found your solution by the way`
`02:56.09`	`Elive_user96`	`me too ;))`
`02:56.11`	`SteveMyers`	`lol`
`02:56.15`	`SteveMyers`	`see the code?`
`02:56.15`	`Elive_user96`	`must be psychic link ;(`
`02:56.17`	`SteveMyers`	`;)`
`02:56.31`	`Elive_user96`	`right click : theme transarency settings ;)))`
`02:56.35`	`SteveMyers`	`<PROTECTED>`
`02:56.38`	`Elive_user96`	`I just missed it earlier`
`02:56.39`	`SteveMyers`	`or that`
`02:56.42`	`SteveMyers`	`lol`
`02:56.42`	`Elive_user96`	`yeah`
`02:57.01`	`SteveMyers`	`did it work?`
`02:57.09`	`Elive_user96`	`I seem to have no config> config panel though`
`02:57.30`	`SteveMyers`	`On e16 the left click is the same as the e17`
`02:57.49`	`SteveMyers`	`it's below the "About this Theme"`
`02:58.14`	`SteveMyers`	`gnaunited: are you on e16?`
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`02:58.17`	`gnaunited`	`yes`
`02:58.38`	`Elive_user96`	`darn no its not affecting engage it seems`
`02:58.48`	`SteveMyers`	`ok, could you help user96 get to the configuration on the left click`
`02:58.48`	`SteveMyers`	`?`
`02:58.56`	`gnaunited`	`sure`
`02:59.06`	`SteveMyers`	`he's on e16 as well, thanks m8 :)`
`02:59.22`	`Elive_user96`	`:)`
`02:59.28`	`Elive_user96`	`that would be swell thx ;000`
`02:59.30`	`gnaunited`	`Which config are we looking for?`
`02:59.38`	`Elive_user96`	`make engage background transparent`
`03:00.03`	`Elive_user96`	`well such that the icons appear to be alone on the desktop background`
`03:00.14`	`Elive_user96`	`or something close thereof`
`03:00.26`	`SteveMyers`	`brb`
`03:00.31`	`gnaunited`	`let me take a look`
`03:00.31`	`Elive_user96`	`ok cu :)`
`03:00.34`	`Elive_user96`	`ok`
`03:02.25`	`gnaunited`	`I know there is a way because I was playing with it earlier`
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`03:05.04`	`Elive_user`	`when I hit the terminal button on ibar it pops up a terminal that sometimes is buggy`
`03:05.15`	`Elive_user`	`it will change colors from blue shaded to black and white and hard to read`
`03:05.47`	`Elive_user`	`or sometimes just white background and not able to see the text at all.`
`03:06.28`	`Elive_user`	`I'm wondering why it changes and how can we make this work better`
`03:07.46`	`gnaunited`	`Well, I got it to be transparent but I changed two different settings, let me see what did it.`
`03:07.54`	`Elive_user96`	`ok`
`03:08.08`	`Elive_user`	`mainly I worry about the new users`
`03:08.16`	`Elive_user`	`who need to use a console and cant see it`
`03:08.33`	`Elive_user96`	`odd ;)`
`03:08.51`	`Elive_user96`	`Elive_user, does it change on the fly or just on each subsequent start of the terminal ?`
`03:09.04`	`Elive_user`	`start of each`
`03:09.05`	`Thanatermesis`	`Elive_user use the last version or upgrade your e17 personal conf and rxvt-unicode package`
`03:09.21`	`Thanatermesis`	`use elpanel for upgrade your personal configurations`
`03:09.32`	`Elive_user`	`ahh`
`03:09.39`	`Elive_user20`	`E17 locked up over night for me`
`03:09.42`	`Elive_user`	`elpanel really does do everything`
`03:09.56`	`Thanatermesis`	`yeah :)`
`03:09.58`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt elpanel Elive_user`
`03:10.00`	`apt`	`elpanel elpanel elpanel, this is the answer to your question and the solution of all your problems, try it Elive_user ;)`
`03:10.01`	`Elive_user20`	`during the screensaver I set up.`
`03:10.09`	`Elive_user96`	`lol`
`03:10.35`	`gnaunited`	`Open up ELpanel, Go to Look'N'Feel, click e16, then hit the center icon (Engage), Scroll to the bottom of the list, and click #6, then hit ok`
`03:10.42`	`SteveMyers`	`Welcome back Thana :)`
`03:11.23`	`Thanatermesis`	`oh, e16 ? yes, then not is the e17 conf :)`
`03:11.27`	`Thanatermesis`	`yop SteveMyers :)`
`03:11.35`	`Thanatermesis`	`do you have look the downloader of wallpapers ?`
`03:11.37`	`gnaunited`	`Elive_user96: Add this to the end of the conf: "-b 255 255 0 -B 255 255 0"`
`03:11.40`	`SteveMyers`	`yes I do`
`03:11.41`	`Elive_user`	`oh it does not have an option for rxvt-unicode`
`03:11.53`	`Thanatermesis`	`gnaunited it works ? its a HEX code`
`03:11.56`	`SteveMyers`	`I did take a look and it got them ;)`
`03:12.01`	`Thanatermesis`	`-b "#aaaaaa"`
`03:12.13`	`gnaunited`	`I was just looking at get-e.org`
`03:12.33`	`gnaunited`	`And it wasn't exactly what it said, but it is working`
`03:12.38`	`Thanatermesis`	`mmh... i don't know.. i just know to it uses a HEX code... maybe supports now also this, don't know`
`03:13.23`	`Thanatermesis`	`Elive_user what ? elpanel ? options for the configuration of the terminal ? oh yes... very soon ;) but actually you have the feature on "terminal-manager" pacakge ;)`
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`03:16.03`	`gnaunited`	`Speaking of which, when it is transparent there is a white bar on the side. Any idea how I remove that/]`
`03:16.36`	`Thanatermesis`	`i don't think to you can remove`
`03:16.47`	`Thanatermesis`	`but you can disimule it if you use a white color`
`03:16.55`	`Thanatermesis`	`its the TRAY`
`03:17.12`	`Thanatermesis`	`and you can't posible to remove it because the tray systems works with this color... and not is posible to change`
`03:17.37`	`yawlright`	`evidence has been crashing on me :`
`03:17.39`	`Thanatermesis`	`(remove this color)`
`03:17.55`	`Thanatermesis`	`yawlright yeah... not is more maintained :/`
`03:18.01`	`Thanatermesis`	`but o[WildChild]o is making a look to it ;)`
`03:18.32`	`o[WildChild]o`	`gni?`
`03:18.36`	`gnaunited`	`Another question - why is apache running by default?`
`03:18.46`	`o[WildChild]o`	`yawlright: what did you do to make it crash? :D`
`03:18.49`	`Thanatermesis`	`gnyou o[WildChild]o`
`03:18.57`	`SteveMyers`	`Thanatermesis, just an idea, and user96 brought this up as well as I was thinking about this earlier, but, are you going add text below the enage/ibar or elive icons to show the name of the icon they're going to click on?`
`03:19.07`	`Thanatermesis`	`gnaunited just because is installed/included`
`03:19.08`	`yawlright`	`i opend it and it crashed immediately`
`03:19.14`	`o[WildChild]o`	`well`
`03:19.16`	`o[WildChild]o`	`arg`
`03:19.21`	`o[WildChild]o`	`that doesnt help me xD`
`03:19.33`	`o[WildChild]o`	`I find to find the cause of the problem`
`03:19.48`	`o[WildChild]o`	`and this project is too big too just check it files by files -_-`
`03:19.56`	`Elive_user`	`terminal-manager still didnt fix it hmm`
`03:19.56`	`SteveMyers`	`lol agreed`
`03:19.59`	`Elive_user`	`still black and white wavy`
`03:20.11`	`o[WildChild]o`	`Elive_user: make a screenshot`
`03:20.16`	`Elive_user`	`k`
`03:20.33`	`Thanatermesis`	`SteveMyers mmmh, on e17 ?`
`03:20.40`	`SteveMyers`	`actually both Thana`
`03:21.00`	`Thanatermesis`	`o[WildChild]o aparently it crash more easy if is opened in a dir with a lot of misc files`
`03:21.02`	`SteveMyers`	`just thought it would be a nice feature for new comers as well to have for easier navigating`
`03:21.48`	`yawlright`	`thanatermesis, evidence opens fine sometimes, others it crashes while loading and gives me an error message`
`03:21.49`	`Thanatermesis`	`Elive_user no... terminal manager no... you need to upgrade ".engage" and ".Xdefaults" via elpanel "personal configurations"`
`03:22.08`	`Elive_user`	`http://img496.imageshack.us/my.php?image=200602272220338ur.png`
`03:22.11`	`o[WildChild]o`	`Thanatermesis: like jpeg mp3 text and etc?`
`03:22.22`	`Elive_user`	`Thanatermesis, thats exactly the 2 I upgraded after the apt-get upgrade`
`03:22.27`	`Thanatermesis`	`SteveMyers in any case... this is a thing entirely by the pure code of the program... i can't posible to change this things`
`03:22.43`	`SteveMyers`	`no worries then Thana :)`
`03:22.53`	`Thanatermesis`	`Elive_user the packages yes... but also your personal configurations, launch "elive-skel upgrade" via your user`
`03:22.53`	`o[WildChild]o`	`Elive_user: ah ok , I think its because you dont have settled your e17setroot`
`03:22.54`	`o[WildChild]o`	`:)`
`03:22.59`	`o[WildChild]o`	`well , I think ^^`
`03:23.07`	`Thanatermesis`	`o[WildChild]o yes, all posible and diferents files`
`03:23.41`	`gnaunited`	`How would one connect to Elive Essence say from a windows machine?`
`03:23.44`	`Thanatermesis`	`o[WildChild]o no... is just a change on urxvt... is needed to upgrade this things or use the final version of Elive :)`
`03:24.23`	`SteveMyers`	`Thanatermesis, I noticed there are themes in /usr/share/themes, how can I use these?, such as borders and etc`
`03:24.32`	`Thanatermesis`	`gnaunited i don't think to windows is the better place for ear "peace music".... windows is more for "i want stresssss!!!"`
`03:24.37`	`o[WildChild]o`	`Thanatermesis: ah ok sorry ^^`
`03:24.42`	`SteveMyers`	`lol`
`03:24.55`	`gnaunited`	`Windows = has wireless card`
`03:24.55`	`gnaunited`	`Linux != Wireless Card`
`03:25.19`	`Thanatermesis`	`SteveMyers mmmh... themes for what exactly you search ?`
`03:25.22`	`gnaunited`	`But i have wired and it is playing on my laptop`
`03:25.24`	`Thanatermesis`	`gnaunited what wireless you have ?`
`03:25.35`	`Elive_user96`	`gnaunited, sorry I dont understand..to the end of what config ? ;(`
`03:26.04`	`SteveMyers`	`Thanatermesis, there are themes in /usr/share/themes such as d3a, Industrial, Metcity etc et, quite a few actually, I am wanting to know how I can use these..`
`03:26.09`	`gnaunited`	`When you go through elpanel and click on #6, it will bring up a window with a string in it.`
`03:26.21`	`gnaunited`	`It will also bring up two other windows, but you do not need those`
`03:26.44`	`Elive_user96`	`odd`
`03:26.53`	`Elive_user96`	`there is no #6, lasts one is #5`
`03:26.57`	`*** part/#elive gnaunited (n=Alex@71-33-140-215.hlrn.qwest.net)`
`03:26.59`	`Elive_user96`	`unless im blind tonight ;0`
`03:27.04`	`*** join/#elive gnaunited (n=Alex@71-33-140-215.hlrn.qwest.net)`
`03:27.49`	`Thanatermesis`	`ah... this is themes for GTK themes SteveMyers, you can install some good themes "apt-cache search gtk2 engine" and switch it via elpanel (again ;))`
`03:28.28`	`Elive_user96`	`Thanatermesis, curious...did you use e17 features to help make elpanel..I like the animation in the various panels ;)`
`03:28.37`	`Thanatermesis`	`gnaunited about the music, make a look to di.fm`
`03:29.01`	`Thanatermesis`	`thanks Elive_user96 :)`
`03:29.06`	`SteveMyers`	`Thanatermesis, thanks m8!`
`03:29.13`	`Thanatermesis`	`welcome SteveMyers :)`
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`03:30.51`	`SteveMyers`	`Wow, there are 46 engines Thana`
`03:31.02`	`Thanatermesis`	`SteveMyers if you found good GTK themes inform me, i can pacakge it for include on the repository ;)`
`03:31.10`	`SteveMyers`	`that is a lot, Ubuntu doesn't even have that many engines for gtk2`
`03:31.16`	`Elive_user96`	`Thanatermesis, but I am curious how its made`
`03:31.19`	`SteveMyers`	`I found 46 of them`
`03:31.25`	`SteveMyers`	`and that my friend is a lot`
`03:31.33`	`Elive_user96`	`Thanatermesis, i've never seen such menus in any distro so im curious is all`
`03:31.38`	`Thanatermesis`	`yeah, Elive by default not has very things installed but you has a big repository of Elive with more than 200 packages actually ;)`
`03:31.56`	`gnaunited`	`What channel on di?`
`03:32.23`	`Thanatermesis`	`Elive_user96 pure code with the enlightenment libs ;)`
`03:32.35`	`Elive_user96`	`Thanatermesis, gotcha thx`
`03:32.41`	`Thanatermesis`	`gnaunited forget... just read the topic ;)`
`03:32.42`	`Elive_user96`	`Thanatermesis, nicely done ;)`
`03:32.47`	`gnaunited`	`ic`
`03:32.48`	`Thanatermesis`	`thx :)`
`03:34.01`	`SteveMyers`	`hmm, ethemes went to a nasty hault on loading`
`03:34.24`	`SteveMyers`	`plus when closing it, the app never goes away and stays in the "windows" menu`
`03:34.32`	`SteveMyers`	`very odd`
`03:34.51`	`o[WildChild]o`	`you all suck but me :D`
`03:35.09`	`o[WildChild]o`	`bah`
`03:35.11`	`SteveMyers`	`killall ethemes does not work either on terminiating the ethemes app either`
`03:35.12`	`o[WildChild]o`	`dont listen to me`
`03:35.19`	`SteveMyers`	`lol`
`03:35.29`	`o[WildChild]o`	`im the dumbest dumber dumb on earth`
`03:35.30`	`o[WildChild]o`	`:p`
`03:35.32`	`SteveMyers`	`Bah, now I have an idling app in th background`
`03:35.37`	`Thanatermesis`	`8Notice: 9ATI 3d acceleartion with FGLRX recovered: http://elivecd.org/gb/Help/Bugs/`
`03:35.38`	`SteveMyers`	`this sucks`
`03:36.19`	`Thanatermesis`	`SteveMyers yes... ethemes is a little broken :/ not is the same to E17 integrated`
`03:36.27`	`SteveMyers`	`hehe`
`03:36.29`	`SteveMyers`	`I noticed ;)`
`03:36.42`	`SteveMyers`	`it likes to sit in the background and idle all day hehe`
`03:36.52`	`GPLGeek`	`oh hi elive user dude, URxvt.inheritPixmap: false, or find a new picture`
`03:37.07`	`Thanatermesis`	`SteveMyers killall -9`
`03:37.47`	`GPLGeek`	`It's a problem with the resolution I think`
`03:38.08`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek make a look to the bugs section, if all looks good`
`03:38.28`	`Elive_user`	`That worked!`
`03:38.37`	`Elive_user`	`It's the image`
`03:39.02`	`Elive_user96`	`is it possible once installed to HD, to install most apps in debian repos ?`
`03:39.15`	`gnaunited`	`Is there a way to background the network connections on start up so the system doesn't hang when it is not pluged in?`
`03:39.17`	`Thanatermesis`	`of course Elive_user96 perfectly compatible`
`03:39.23`	`Thanatermesis`	`Elive works with both repositories`
`03:39.39`	`Elive_user96`	`Thanatermesis, ok kewl`
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`03:39.44`	`GPLGeek`	`bugs section changed?`
`03:39.52`	`SteveMyers`	`nice command Thana`
`03:39.54`	`SteveMyers`	`:p`
`03:39.56`	`SteveMyers`	`lol`
`03:39.59`	`SteveMyers`	`closed me down real good lol`
`03:40.32`	`Thanatermesis`	`gnaunited on the boot of the system ? not easy... you need to play then with the init scripts, or disable some (elpanel)`
`03:40.42`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek yes`
`03:40.54`	`yawlright`	`apt kill all`
`03:40.56`	`apt`	`ACTION shoots a fluxquark gun at all`
`03:41.34`	`Elive_user96`	`too late shields activated`
`03:41.42`	`Elive_user96`	`I almost come prepared to IRC`
`03:41.46`	`Elive_user96`	`always <`
`03:41.53`	`Elive_user96`	`always and forever...lalalalal`
`03:42.01`	`Elive_user96`	`:)`
`03:42.41`	`SteveMyers`	`lol`
`03:42.44`	`SteveMyers`	`wonder if this works`
`03:42.48`	`SteveMyers`	`apt drink`
`03:42.52`	`GPLGeek`	`Thanatermesis, also need to update xorg.conf`
`03:42.56`	`SteveMyers`	`hmm guess not`
`03:43.13`	`GPLGeek`	`<PROTECTED>`
`03:43.26`	`Elive_user96`	`one thing of oddity I noticed though is the installer doesn't seem to tell you what to do with gparted or is that on purpose ??`
`03:43.29`	`Thanatermesis`	`oh, correct, thanks`
`03:43.34`	`Thanatermesis`	`i change it`
`03:43.36`	`yawlright`	`apt drunk`
`03:43.37`	`apt`	`yay!`
`03:43.41`	`SteveMyers`	`lol`
`03:43.49`	`SteveMyers`	`more like it yawl`
`03:43.50`	`GPLGeek`	`sed is a great tool`
`03:43.51`	`SteveMyers`	`:)`
`03:44.42`	`GPLGeek`	`you beat me to it man, I almost had a shell script configurator lol`
`03:44.56`	`Elive_user96`	`its nice to see SOME DISTRO installing by default the various codecs`
`03:45.01`	`GPLGeek`	`actually I had it configure many things`
`03:45.21`	`yawlright`	`thana, nice theme on xmms by the way`
`03:46.46`	`GPLGeek`	`I put apt-get update in my script because most people forget to update`
`03:46.58`	`GPLGeek`	`most people will just run the script and say "WTF" when it doesnt work`
`03:47.00`	`SteveMyers`	`I update twice a day ;)`
`03:47.52`	`*** join/#elive Mutacion (i=Mutacion@201.155.152.235)`
`03:47.59`	`Mutacion`	`ya llegue :P`
`03:49.54`	`SteveMyers`	`WOW`
`03:51.54`	`yawlright`	`ooooo`
`03:52.00`	`SteveMyers`	`HA, this is so cool`
`03:52.07`	`SteveMyers`	`I'm in love`
`03:52.10`	`SteveMyers`	`;)`
`03:52.25`	`Mutacion`	`u qe qe?`
`03:52.37`	`SteveMyers`	`what is qe qe?`
`03:52.58`	`Mutacion`	`u qe qe = you what what??`
`03:52.58`	`Mutacion`	`xD`
`03:53.06`	`SteveMyers`	`lol`
`03:53.07`	`Mutacion`	`u have to talk in spanish!!`
`03:53.13`	`SteveMyers`	`I don't know spanish`
`03:53.23`	`Mutacion`	`i dont like english xD`
`03:53.28`	`SteveMyers`	`lol`
`03:53.37`	`SteveMyers`	`I'm very sorry to hear that`
`03:53.40`	`Mutacion`	`so..u installed what?`
`03:53.48`	`SteveMyers`	`46 gtk2 engines`
`03:53.49`	`yawlright`	`so he said 'what is what what?'`
`03:54.08`	`Mutacion`	`nop.. i say.. you what what!!`
`03:54.11`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek sed -i '/s/[ ]Driver[ ]"radeon".*$/\tDriver\t"fglrx"/g' /etc/X11/xorg.conf ;)`
`03:54.14`	`SteveMyers`	`lol`
`03:54.27`	`GPLGeek`	`sounds good`
`03:54.44`	`yawlright`	`the steve replied what is what what`
`03:54.46`	`GPLGeek`	`but I think the ;) might kill it`
`03:54.50`	`SteveMyers`	`the steve`
`03:54.53`	`SteveMyers`	`LOL`
`03:55.09`	`Thanatermesis`	`Elive_user96 the multimedia is one of the most importants compatibilities to like to have Elive :)`
`03:55.27`	`Mutacion`	`SteveMyers, yawlright do u know what hour it is?`
`03:55.37`	`Mutacion`	`well.. what time it's!!`
`03:55.37`	`SteveMyers`	`it's almost 11pm`
`03:55.41`	`SteveMyers`	`11pm`
`03:55.44`	`*** part/#elive gnaunited (n=Alex@71-33-140-215.hlrn.qwest.net)`
`03:55.49`	`Mutacion`	`SteveMyers, wrong answer`
`03:55.52`	`SteveMyers`	`LOL`
`03:55.57`	`Mutacion`	`its..`
`03:55.58`	`Mutacion`	`its!!!`
`03:56.02`	`GPLGeek`	`Thanatermesis, I was going to make a interactive script that would let you switch between radeon and fglrx and ati`
`03:56.02`	`yawlright`	`10 o clock`
`03:56.05`	`SteveMyers`	`lol`
`03:56.09`	`Thanatermesis`	`hambrita time !!!!!`
`03:56.12`	`Mutacion`	`yawlright, wrong answer!!`
`03:56.16`	`SteveMyers`	`LOL`
`03:56.18`	`Mutacion`	`yeah Thanatermesis ! u got it!`
`03:56.21`	`Thanatermesis`	`:D`
`03:56.26`	`SteveMyers`	`what is hambrita?`
`03:56.29`	`SteveMyers`	`hamurger?`
`03:56.30`	`Mutacion`	`haha lol :P`
`03:56.35`	`SteveMyers`	`hamburger*`
`03:56.37`	`yawlright`	`cervesa tiempo!!!!!`
`03:56.45`	`Mutacion`	`apt x, es en hambrita`
`03:56.50`	`Thanatermesis`	`little hungry time`
`03:56.52`	`Mutacion`	`apt x es en hambrita`
`03:56.52`	`SteveMyers`	`burrito?`
`03:56.54`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt x en es hambrita`
`03:57.03`	`Thanatermesis`	`xD`
`03:57.07`	`SteveMyers`	`lol`
`03:57.11`	`Mutacion`	`jiji apt also got it! its hambrita`
`03:57.12`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt do you like hambrita ?`
`03:57.13`	`apt`	`yes, I like hambrita.`
`03:57.25`	`SteveMyers`	`I have a feeling I am going to need to learn spanish again`
`03:57.26`	`Mutacion`	`hambrita == hunger`
`03:57.46`	`Mutacion`	`so ppl.. when ever i told u...-what time it is- u have to say me... -its HAMBRITA time- xD`
`03:57.52`	`yawlright`	`tengo hambre`
`03:58.07`	`Mutacion`	`yeah yawlright u understand the meaning!`
`03:58.15`	`SteveMyers`	`LOL`
`03:58.43`	`Mutacion`	`so its hambrita time.. brb xD`
`03:58.47`	`SteveMyers`	`dude`
`03:58.49`	`SteveMyers`	`it is`
`03:58.53`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek not is hard to add this feature on "xconfigurator" (the little cofigurer of X for elive), you can launch it graphically or from the pure console ;) (this is a good point), i can try to add the driver if the ppl want's it... i just don't have added because i don't think to its really needed`
`03:58.54`	`SteveMyers`	`and I am hungry`
`03:59.12`	`SteveMyers`	`No, I'm stevemyers, but I need food :p`
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`03:59.26`	`GPLGeek`	`so what if I patched it for you?`
`03:59.29`	`Mutacion`	`no no SteveMyers`
`03:59.33`	`GPLGeek`	`xconfigurator is only a shell script right?`
`03:59.41`	`Mutacion`	`SteveMyers and I am hungry <-- u have to say <--- I GOT HAMBRITA!`
`03:59.47`	`SteveMyers`	`it's HAMBRITA time!`
`04:00.14`	`SteveMyers`	`bamos! or however you say it`
`04:00.31`	`yawlright`	`comida tiempo, antes comida tiempo esta cervesa tiempo`
`04:00.31`	`GPLGeek`	`hmm it seems very easy`
`04:00.59`	`Mutacion`	`vamos ! <--`
`04:01.08`	`SteveMyers`	`that's it!`
`04:01.13`	`Mutacion`	`cerveza == chela == beer`
`04:01.21`	`SteveMyers`	`sounds good, brb`
`04:01.26`	`GPLGeek`	`apt en es My pentium four is on fire.`
`04:01.27`	`apt`	`okay, GPLGeek`
`04:01.29`	`Thanatermesis`	`http://thana.no-ip.org/mediawiki/index.php/Howto_Special_Languages`
`04:01.30`	`Thanatermesis`	`:)`
`04:01.34`	`GPLGeek`	`apt x en es My pentium four is on fire.`
`04:01.48`	`SteveMyers`	`Thanatermesis, thank you!`
`04:01.55`	`Mutacion`	`...mi pentium cuatro esta qe arde`
`04:02.07`	`SteveMyers`	`I had two Tom Collins so I am good to go on drinking`
`04:02.13`	`SteveMyers`	`brb, need something to eat`
`04:02.25`	`Mutacion`	`thana, pq el wiki no es como ese wiki?`
`04:02.50`	`Thanatermesis`	`Mutacion jajaja, porque esta es mi pagina web`
`04:02.55`	`Thanatermesis`	`Mutacion porque el wiki es drupal`
`04:02.59`	`Thanatermesis`	`y esto es mediawiki`
`04:03.01`	`GPLGeek`	`In winter when it's really cold don't turn on the heater. Turn on a pentium machine.`
`04:03.04`	`Mutacion`	`se ve mas chido tu wiki :P`
`04:03.10`	`GPLGeek`	`it warms the house faster`
`04:03.14`	`SteveMyers`	`lol@GPLgeek`
`04:03.20`	`Thanatermesis`	`ya... pero el drupal lo veo mucho mas dificil de hacer un theme :/`
`04:03.20`	`Mutacion`	`jiji`
`04:03.36`	`Thanatermesis`	`pero bueno, estamos probando de dejarlo lindo ;)`
`04:03.59`	`GPLGeek`	`In the summer put your p4 outside and turn it on. its a electric BBQ`
`04:04.07`	`GPLGeek`	`throw hotdogs on the cpu cooler`
`04:04.11`	`Thanatermesis`	`lool`
`04:04.32`	`GPLGeek`	`George Foreman grill is powered by one single P4 processor`
`04:05.54`	`GPLGeek`	`What's not to love. everyone loves to have a bonfire in their room.`
`04:06.05`	`SteveMyers`	`LOL`
`04:07.45`	`yawlright`	`1,2,p,4 lets start a flame war`
`04:07.49`	`yawlright`	`:P`
`04:08.18`	`GPLGeek`	`I buy all hardware so I can see for myself`
`04:08.26`	`SteveMyers`	`what does moichy mean?`
`04:08.31`	`GPLGeek`	`every other time I buy a new computer its the opposite brand`
`04:09.18`	`GPLGeek`	`Thanatermesis, installer seems to work`
`04:09.22`	`yawlright`	`apt goodnight`
`04:09.23`	`apt`	`Have a goodnight!`
`04:09.32`	`yawlright`	`apt bye`
`04:09.33`	`apt`	`cya`
`04:09.35`	`Mutacion`	`bai yawlright`
`04:09.41`	`SteveMyers`	`night :D`
`04:09.44`	`SteveMyers`	`Mut`
`04:09.50`	`yawlright`	`heh`
`04:09.51`	`SteveMyers`	`what does moichy mean?`
`04:10.06`	`Mutacion`	`i dunno :s. whats moichy?`
`04:10.15`	`SteveMyers`	`it's korean`
`04:10.27`	`SteveMyers`	`means "sexy" oo la la`
`04:10.31`	`SteveMyers`	`hehe`
`04:10.31`	`Mutacion`	`lol`
`04:10.58`	`SteveMyers`	`I said it and didn't know where I came up with it, then I googled it and it means sexy`
`04:11.02`	`SteveMyers`	`and then got porn links`
`04:11.03`	`SteveMyers`	`lol`
`04:11.50`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek yes ? grub fixed ? :)`
`04:12.12`	`GPLGeek`	`I tryed it on another computer, but used same resolution settings to try to duplicate it`
`04:12.13`	`GPLGeek`	`it booted`
`04:15.21`	`Thanatermesis`	`perfect then :)`
`04:15.44`	`GPLGeek`	`everyone is asking me how much competition windows vista will be to linux, and I say not much if elive keeps going at the rate that it is =) I know it's a long ways off but many people will use it as a distro when it hits 1.0`
`04:15.59`	`SteveMyers`	`elive out rank vista`
`04:16.05`	`SteveMyers`	`no competition at all`
`04:16.16`	`Thanatermesis`	`:)`
`04:16.17`	`GPLGeek`	`elive has faster video drivers for ATI and Nvidia`
`04:16.22`	`neighborlee`	`how exactly do I edit engage menu ? ;))`
`04:16.34`	`Thanatermesis`	`for this moments, Elive wants a better system... and after try to make a look more in the eyecandy ;)`
`04:17.02`	`GPLGeek`	`Thanatermesis, I think we knocked out all of the major bugs`
`04:17.33`	`GPLGeek`	`and .4 was a really good release`
`04:17.51`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek with the 0.4.1 release, all the bugs found are solved :) but 0.5 wants a better system also, a better installation again`
`04:18.04`	`SteveMyers`	`neighborlee: go to your "Control Panel" on your enage at the bottom, then go to the middle icon "Enage Manager" and select the option at the bottom`
`04:18.12`	`neighborlee`	`yeah install is a bit wanting but doable`
`04:18.52`	`Thanatermesis`	`yes, i have liked to start directly with the system of 0.5... but i have think to I CAN'T posible to continue giving to the ppl the 0.3 version when waiting the 0.5 :) i have think to the ppl needs a better system than 0.3`
`04:19.03`	`neighborlee`	`SteveMyers, you mean elive control panel ?`
`04:19.08`	`SteveMyers`	`yes`
`04:19.08`	`neighborlee`	`if so I see no engage manager`
`04:19.23`	`SteveMyers`	`are you on E16 or 17?`
`04:19.27`	`neighborlee`	`16`
`04:19.30`	`neighborlee`	`sorry`
`04:19.38`	`neighborlee`	`I know I brought it up once ;(`
`04:19.45`	`SteveMyers`	`should be the middle icon when click the Control Panel`
`04:20.02`	`neighborlee`	`apparantly not in e16`
`04:20.06`	`neighborlee`	`mine is user configurations`
`04:20.14`	`SteveMyers`	`hmm, interesting`
`04:20.44`	`SteveMyers`	`I loaded the e16 configuration from the control panel and it has the engage manager icon in the middle of elive panel`
`04:20.53`	`SteveMyers`	`I'm on e17 btw`
`04:21.07`	`SteveMyers`	`so it should be there, why it's not, is beyond me :-/`
`04:21.33`	`GPLGeek`	`lets all donate so thana gets a amd64 to make a 64bit version and compile things faster!`
`04:22.21`	`SteveMyers`	`hmm`
`04:22.24`	`SteveMyers`	`I'm up for it`
`04:23.36`	`SteveMyers`	`I'll donate 50 next week and then 150 the week after`
`04:23.50`	`GPLGeek`	`I already gave some from my paypal and want to give a bit more when I get paid`
`04:24.02`	`SteveMyers`	`how much does he need?`
`04:24.12`	`neighborlee`	`hmm XFE is really nice`
`04:24.28`	`SteveMyers`	`it's ok :-/`
`04:24.33`	`GPLGeek`	`I think 1500 USD would make a basic system`
`04:24.36`	`neighborlee`	`fast and works nicely and would be familiar to windows users`
`04:24.43`	`SteveMyers`	`if it runs gnome or kde, I won't use it`
`04:25.00`	`SteveMyers`	`besides elive :p`
`04:25.06`	`neighborlee`	`SteveMyers, although I still love my alltime favorite gentoo FM which is a amiga : directoryOPUS clone ;))`
`04:25.18`	`SteveMyers`	`hehe`
`04:25.30`	`neighborlee`	`you know the one I mean ?`
`04:25.41`	`neighborlee`	`its so fast and configureable..and has dual panes`
`04:25.45`	`neighborlee`	`dual panes rock..`
`04:25.51`	`neighborlee`	`or at least option to have them ;)`
`04:26.07`	`GPLGeek`	`I used to just work in a desktop environment that let me have a bunch of rxvt's open`
`04:26.10`	`GPLGeek`	`no icons or anything`
`04:26.13`	`GPLGeek`	`no menus`
`04:26.17`	`GPLGeek`	`just rxvt's`
`04:26.33`	`neighborlee`	`now im lost`
`04:26.42`	`Mutacion`	`buenbo raza`
`04:26.48`	`Mutacion`	`no es por nada pero este buffon se le va`
`04:26.54`	`Mutacion`	`apt bye`
`04:26.56`	`apt`	`cya`
`04:27.02`	`Mutacion`	`bai ppl`
`04:27.03`	`neighborlee`	`lol`
`04:27.06`	`Mutacion`	`bai = bay`
`04:27.07`	`SteveMyers`	`night!`
`04:27.09`	`GPLGeek`	`later`
`04:27.15`	`Mutacion`	`zalep!!`
`04:27.18`	`Mutacion`	`ayoo0 = bye`
`04:28.00`	`neighborlee`	`midnight commander is good too for some things`
`04:28.13`	`SteveMyers`	`I use that and a terminal for work`
`04:28.17`	`neighborlee`	`my friend uses norton commander all the time in windows..`
`04:28.20`	`neighborlee`	`sorta simmilar`
`04:28.30`	`neighborlee`	`ah nice`
`04:28.35`	`neighborlee`	`fast and does alot of nice things`
`04:28.53`	`neighborlee`	`tuxpuck is really fun`
`04:29.00`	`neighborlee`	`i've never heard of it before actually`
`04:29.04`	`neighborlee`	`nice pick for a game ;))`
`04:29.44`	`neighborlee`	`bah I still can't find engage e ditor..this is weird I know I had it working earlier lol`
`04:29.44`	`GPLGeek`	`mc was made as a clone for norton commander right?`
`04:29.45`	`neighborlee`	`bahhh`
`04:29.52`	`neighborlee`	`GPLGeek, im thinking so`
`04:30.35`	`GPLGeek`	`just proves that the keyboard is often times more productive than the mouse`
`04:30.53`	`neighborlee`	`yeah`
`04:33.59`	`GPLGeek`	`ok time for long overdue screenshots`
`04:34.01`	`GPLGeek`	`of games`
`04:34.06`	`GPLGeek`	`now that acceleration works`
`04:34.26`	`neighborlee`	`always a good thing ;)`
`04:34.42`	`neighborlee`	`chromium is a good choice to include as well..even if the game is impossible ! lol`
`04:34.55`	`neighborlee`	`that or my reflexes aren't optimal for it ..haha`
`04:34.55`	`GPLGeek`	`i love that game`
`04:35.01`	`neighborlee`	`me too but its hard`
`04:35.04`	`GPLGeek`	`thana logged into my system and launched it`
`04:35.05`	`neighborlee`	`even on easy`
`04:35.08`	`GPLGeek`	`I had to play it`
`04:35.11`	`neighborlee`	`LOL`
`04:35.12`	`GPLGeek`	`once I saw it on the screen`
`04:35.19`	`GPLGeek`	`but the volume was so loud he got me in trouble lol`
`04:35.29`	`neighborlee`	`yeah its nice but almost impossible at least for me`
`04:35.42`	`neighborlee`	`;))kewl visuals too and incredible sounds`
`04:35.47`	`GPLGeek`	`love that game`
`04:35.58`	`GPLGeek`	`sucks on laptops`
`04:36.14`	`neighborlee`	`another good game coming for linux is the new savage2 from s2games.com`
`04:36.17`	`neighborlee`	`that is going to rock...`
`04:36.27`	`GPLGeek`	`opensource or proprietary?`
`04:36.27`	`neighborlee`	`its a shame we wont get nwn2`
`04:36.30`	`neighborlee`	`prop`
`04:36.45`	`GPLGeek`	`nwn works in linux`
`04:36.54`	`neighborlee`	`yea I know oss rocks, but at least they aren't forgetting to support linux`
`04:36.59`	`neighborlee`	`yes it does..and I h ave it`
`04:37.02`	`neighborlee`	`I mean the 'new' nwn`
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`04:37.19`	`neighborlee`	`it wont work in linux according to linuxgames.com`
`04:37.30`	`gnaunited`	`How do I open up a DVD using mplayer?`
`04:37.30`	`neighborlee`	`or at least highly unlikely cause it uses that darn directX`
`04:37.50`	`neighborlee`	`right click in mplayer window and chooose dvd`
`04:38.03`	`neighborlee`	`or from the gui thingee but I forget where its at atm`
`04:38.23`	`neighborlee`	`ooooh I like :))`
`04:38.38`	`neighborlee`	`mplayer loads different skins when it loads..pretty interesting ;)`
`04:38.47`	`neighborlee`	`this time I got terminator theme..pretty dain kewl`
`04:40.44`	`neighborlee`	`how do I get to my digital camera btw`
`04:41.40`	`neighborlee`	`nm got it`
`04:43.06`	`gnaunited`	`apt engage`
`04:43.07`	`apt`	`well, engage is Im found a little and simple good mini-howto for install and configure engage, hummm... is in spanish ! http://home.ripway.com/2004-2/77982/varios/howto-engage.txt`
`04:43.14`	`GPLGeek`	`nwn2 will be supported by cedega`
`04:45.13`	`gnaunited`	`apt kick`
`04:45.19`	`gnaunited`	`apt quit`
`04:45.20`	`apt`	`No! You quit!`
`04:45.26`	`gnaunited`	`apt nuelogic.com`
`04:45.33`	`gnaunited`	`apt --help`
`04:45.37`	`gnaunited`	`apt help`
`04:45.51`	`gnaunited`	`apt cpustats`
`04:45.51`	`apt`	`Total CPU usage: 17150.8 s ... Total used: 3.7 % (parent/child ratio: 100.0 %)`
`04:45.52`	`neighborlee`	`GPLGeek, dont talk to me about cedetga`
`04:45.54`	`neighborlee`	`cedega`
`04:46.29`	`neighborlee`	`I find it disgusting to use a emulator in linux to play windows games..but I do understand the need, even if I think its horribly misplaced`
`04:46.49`	`GPLGeek`	`<PROTECTED>`
`04:46.51`	`neighborlee`	`if we dont play native linux games made by developers how are we ever going to get more native games ;))`
`04:46.53`	`GPLGeek`	`its a api wrapper`
`04:47.02`	`neighborlee`	`yeah I know`
`04:47.05`	`neighborlee`	`but its slow'ish`
`04:47.08`	`neighborlee`	`and buggy`
`04:47.11`	`GPLGeek`	`nope`
`04:47.13`	`gnaunited`	`Linux = Not Stable for games`
`04:47.20`	`neighborlee`	`incorrectg`
`04:47.26`	`GPLGeek`	`nope`
`04:47.30`	`GPLGeek`	`you guys suck at life`
`04:47.30`	`neighborlee`	`I dont know where you h ead that but its fud ;)`
`04:47.39`	`gnaunited`	`FLAMEWAR!!`
`04:47.44`	`neighborlee`	`no ,,`
`04:47.47`	`neighborlee`	`just correcting him`
`04:47.48`	`gnaunited`	`apt uptime`
`04:47.52`	`neighborlee`	`him/her`
`04:47.58`	`GPLGeek`	`I can cedegacvs and play steam games fine`
`04:48.01`	`neighborlee`	`there are tons of VERY stable games for linux..`
`04:48.11`	`neighborlee`	`GPLGeek, well yes I know but..`
`04:48.11`	`gnaunited`	`apt piglatin gnaunited`
`04:48.25`	`GPLGeek`	`as good quality as on windows`
`04:48.27`	`neighborlee`	`GPLGeek, when you do that you vote against linux games...`
`04:48.28`	`GPLGeek`	`or better`
`04:48.48`	`gnaunited`	`apt kick gnaunited`
`04:48.50`	`apt`	`bugger off sod!`
`04:49.00`	`neighborlee`	`lol`
`04:49.09`	`neighborlee`	`GPLGeek, no offense meant..its just something that bothers me`
`04:49.10`	`gnaunited`	`How rude`
`04:49.30`	`gnaunited`	`As soon as they put WoW on linux then you know that there are good games for Linux`
`04:49.44`	`GPLGeek`	`there are some games that will never be on linux and never will be ported. IE older games or windows only games`
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`04:49.58`	`GPLGeek`	`Id rather play them than not play them`
`04:50.01`	`gnaunited`	`WoW is on Mac, how hard could it be for linux?`
`04:50.01`	`Elive_user`	`how does one install elive onto hard disk?`
`04:50.07`	`Elive_user`	`im running 0.3 by the way`
`04:50.10`	`GPLGeek`	`gnaunited, easy`
`04:50.13`	`Elive_user`	`just saw that 0.4 is out`
`04:50.28`	`Elive_user`	`but right now i just wanna install 0.3 onto the hard disk`
`04:50.40`	`GPLGeek`	`.4 is awsome though`
`04:50.40`	`Thanatermesis`	`0.3 is crappy and bugged !`
`04:50.49`	`Elive_user`	`yeah i know`
`04:50.53`	`Elive_user`	`but im on a slow connection`
`04:50.58`	`Elive_user`	`i plan to download 0.4 at some point`
`04:51.05`	`Elive_user`	`but right now i need to get something installed on the hd`
`04:51.15`	`Elive_user`	`because im sharing an optical drive between 2 computers`
`04:51.18`	`GPLGeek`	`what about I mail you a cd`
`04:51.24`	`pycs`	`Elive_user, it can erase your data in your hd when installin 0.3..`
`04:51.25`	`GPLGeek`	`are you in USA`
`04:51.31`	`Thanatermesis`	`Elive_user ok.. is your decision.. but before to thinkin about install 0.3... do you know all the features and bugs correction between releases ? http://elivecd.org/gb/Download/0.4/`
`04:51.32`	`Elive_user`	`yeah i dont care`
`04:51.33`	`Thanatermesis`	`here is listed all`
`04:51.53`	`Elive_user`	`i have a borked hd anyway`
`04:51.56`	`Elive_user`	`it had a windows install`
`04:51.59`	`neighborlee`	`GPLGeek, well what I mean is..if we dont play the games that are native in linux..how can we expect developers to make more of them ? ;-))...thats all I mean`
`04:52.00`	`Elive_user`	`that went to crap`
`04:52.17`	`Elive_user`	`Thanatermesis: yeah i read through it all`
`04:52.19`	`Thanatermesis`	`Elive_user what you want ? optical drive ?`
`04:52.22`	`Elive_user`	`looks really slikc`
`04:52.23`	`neighborlee`	`GPLGeek, cedega is great for those windows games that aren't going to be ported but they do little to advance linux gaming longterm I dont think ...`
`04:52.25`	`Thanatermesis`	`:)`
`04:52.30`	`Elive_user`	`slick*`
`04:52.34`	`GPLGeek`	`I understand.`
`04:52.40`	`Elive_user`	`im already running archlinux with the latest e17 on my other computer`
`04:52.48`	`neighborlee`	`GPLGeek, but yes I do understand the need ;))`
`04:52.55`	`Elive_user`	`this is just a computer i scrapped together from spare parts`
`04:52.57`	`Elive_user`	`for fun`
`04:52.57`	`neighborlee`	`GPLGeek, there are many games I wish I could play while in linux...`
`04:52.59`	`Elive_user`	`more or less`
`04:53.01`	`gnaunited`	`With other distro's the software dev's know they have a set of tools to work with, but in linux everything is changed. There is no guarantee that the video card is even installed correctly.`
`04:53.40`	`Elive_user`	`Thanatermesis: so how do i install it?`
`04:53.41`	`neighborlee`	`gnaunited, most distros have a very easy intsaller for video cards`
`04:53.44`	`neighborlee`	`most not all`
`04:53.52`	`gnaunited`	`just not linux`
`04:53.57`	`Elive_user`	`ill probably install 0.4 later this week`
`04:54.00`	`gnaunited`	`*Elive`
`04:54.00`	`neighborlee`	`most of the top distros certainly do`
`04:54.14`	`Elive_user`	`but for now i just need an easy way to get e17 on my hd`
`04:54.18`	`Elive_user`	`without much work`
`04:54.30`	`Elive_user`	`how do i start the elive 0.3 installer?`
`04:55.08`	`pycs`	`Elive_user, in engage or ibar panel, there is an hd installer..`
`04:55.22`	`gnaunited`	`There needs to be a simple hardware installer for all things on linux. At least one that can identify the hardware and tell you where to get drivers.`
`04:55.36`	`Elive_user`	`ah ic i found it`
`04:55.56`	`pycs`	`just click and go through with it..`
`04:56.39`	`neighborlee`	`gnaunited, well most things work outof box due tokernel, but yeah I agree it could be better for hardware that is not there`
`04:56.48`	`gnaunited`	`The elpanel is a great step in Elive, but i would prefer to have something along the lines of a Device Manager like in windows.`
`04:57.03`	`gnaunited`	`That way I know what works and what doesn't`
`04:57.22`	`neighborlee`	`I think its a core problem though..vendors dont take linux seriously yet cause there is somuch fragementation here...one distro uses these libraries and locations, while another does something else..its crazy`
`04:57.40`	`pycs`	`Device Manager in linux, i think it would go a long way :)`
`04:57.47`	`neighborlee`	`yea elpanel is slick`
`04:57.56`	`gnaunited`	`Which is why someone needs to make a NDISwrapper for all Drivers`
`04:58.05`	`gnaunited`	`Say, a Win4Linwrapper`
`04:58.08`	`Thanatermesis`	`Elive_user install 0.3 ? look the last icon`
`04:58.14`	`Thanatermesis`	`on the dock`
`04:58.21`	`Elive_user`	`yeah i found it`
`04:58.28`	`Elive_user`	`i forgot that elive had that control panel`
`04:58.40`	`GPLGeek`	`have you tried YAST2?`
`04:58.42`	`GPLGeek`	`lol`
`04:58.43`	`Elive_user`	`Thanatermesis: that elpanel for 0.4 looks friggin sweet`
`04:58.50`	`GPLGeek`	`I don't like it much`
`04:58.55`	`Thanatermesis`	`Elive_user its ;)`
`04:59.02`	`gnaunited`	`Too many noises=-O`
`04:59.14`	`gnaunited`	`I like my analog TV screen saver`
`04:59.16`	`gnaunited`	`So original`
`05:00.28`	`gnaunited`	`One other windows thing:`
`05:00.29`	`gnaunited`	`Switch between classic and catagories in the Control Panel - that should be something to look into for Elpanel`
`05:00.53`	`gnaunited`	`Cool for the novice, simple for the expert`
`05:01.11`	`gnaunited`	`I use windows XP and I still use the classic look just because it is easier.`
`05:01.13`	`Elive_user`	`Thanatermesis: is the installer in 0.4 the same gtk2 based one?`
`05:01.19`	`gnaunited`	`Nope`
`05:01.21`	`gnaunited`	`.`
`05:01.24`	`Thanatermesis`	`no... its a own writed installer`
`05:01.33`	`Thanatermesis`	`the installer of 0.3 is the morphix installer`
`05:01.37`	`Elive_user`	`text-based?`
`05:01.39`	`Elive_user`	`or efl-based?`
`05:01.50`	`Thanatermesis`	`is gtk also`
`05:01.53`	`Elive_user`	`ah ic`
`05:01.55`	`Elive_user`	`nice`
`05:02.06`	`Thanatermesis`	`diferent and more ugly but better for Elive :)`
`05:02.17`	`gnaunited`	`I like the new one better`
`05:02.38`	`gnaunited`	`But in the partition manager there should be a button for continue, not just close the window`
`05:02.50`	`gnaunited`	`Can be confusing at times`
`05:02.58`	`GPLGeek`	`or just close the window =)`
`05:02.58`	`pycs`	`Elive_user, your missing lots of things, install 0.4 very soon :), hurry :)`
`05:03.00`	`GPLGeek`	`it's logical`
`05:03.08`	`Elive_user`	`pycs: oh i will`
`05:03.15`	`pycs`	`:)`
`05:03.16`	`Elive_user`	`pycs: this is merely temporary`
`05:03.26`	`GPLGeek`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:03.33`	`pycs`	`ah ok..`
`05:03.35`	`GPLGeek`	`at cost`
`05:03.37`	`Elive_user`	`Thanatermesis: Elive is very impressive overall really, good work`
`05:03.48`	`Thanatermesis`	`thanks Elive_user :)`
`05:03.56`	`Elive_user`	`even 0.3, its bugs excepting`
`05:04.12`	`Thanatermesis`	`yes, its a littled bugged the 0.3, hehe`
`05:04.35`	`Elive_user`	`elpanel _is_ efl-based though, correct?`
`05:05.30`	`Thanatermesis`	`Elive_user yes`
`05:05.53`	`Thanatermesis`	`Elive_user i think to if you install 0.3, you forget 0.4 lol`
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`05:08.41`	`*** part/#elive withoutclass (n=Elive_us@c-67-175-194-156.hsd1.il.comcast.net)`
`05:08.43`	`pycs`	`Thana, elive is like a dope, once user have it, they'll want more.. LoL`
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`05:08.53`	`*** part/#elive withoutclass (n=Elive_us@c-67-175-194-156.hsd1.il.comcast.net)`
`05:09.19`	`Elive_user3`	`its true, i just started using it a week or so ago, and im hooked`
`05:09.23`	`*** join/#elive Jensen (n=shahar@c-67-175-194-156.hsd1.il.comcast.net)`
`05:09.33`	`Elive_user3`	`psh`
`05:10.16`	`roxville`	`Elive_user3 and Jensen\| you guys got VERY similar ip's...`
`05:10.23`	`Jensen\|`	`yea...`
`05:10.30`	`Jensen\|`	`well our school blocks irc`
`05:10.35`	`Jensen\|`	`so were tunneling through my comp at home`
`05:10.37`	`*** part/#elive Elive_user3 (n=Elive_us@c-67-175-194-156.hsd1.il.comcast.net)`
`05:10.46`	`roxville`	`oh... cool!`
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`05:11.34`	`withoutclass`	`apparently irc is some kind of security vulnerability...who knwos what thats about`
`05:11.46`	`Jensen\|`	`bets me`
`05:11.50`	`Jensen\|`	`beats*`
`05:13.11`	`Elive_user`	`wihtoutclass: well and the fact that you can download files through it`
`05:13.16`	`Elive_user`	`withoutclass*`
`05:13.24`	`withoutclass`	`they dont like that either`
`05:13.26`	`Elive_user`	`withoutclass: from irc bots and what not`
`05:13.30`	`withoutclass`	`lol`
`05:13.31`	`Elive_user`	`yeah`
`05:14.01`	`Jensen\|`	`im never usually on irc enough to bother looking for files on it`
`05:14.55`	`withoutclass`	`actually i had a question to ask...but i forgot`
`05:15.12`	`roxville`	`and everyone is on elive?`
`05:15.20`	`withoutclass`	`i am`
`05:15.22`	`withoutclass`	`=D`
`05:15.26`	`roxville`	`:)`
`05:15.35`	`roxville`	`well then you GOT class!`
`05:15.42`	`withoutclass`	`sooo...does anyone read the bug forums?`
`05:15.47`	`withoutclass`	`its so...lonely there`
`05:15.54`	`Jensen\|`	`im in windows currently,and have ubuntu installed on the other boot of my laptop`
`05:15.58`	`roxville`	`lol`
`05:16.38`	`roxville`	`yeah Jensen\| ... i'm an ubuntu convert... it's hard to let go... but it's worth it`
`05:16.43`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt awk o[WildChild]o`
`05:16.47`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt awk`
`05:16.48`	`apt`	`i heard awk is the unix hacker's first scripting language`
`05:16.49`	`Elive_user`	`ubuntu is ok`
`05:16.52`	`Jensen\|`	`i need to fid one of my lid.sh files, it doesnt repost the vid card when i open the list =/`
`05:17.06`	`o[WildChild]o`	`Thanatermesis: lol`
`05:17.14`	`Elive_user`	`although its too much geared toward new users, that I can't bring myself to use it`
`05:17.19`	`GPLGeek`	`Elive_user, no its not /flameware on`
`05:17.29`	`GPLGeek`	`er /flamewar on`
`05:17.42`	`Elive_user`	`GPLGeek: not a fan?`
`05:17.54`	`Elive_user`	`im not much of a fan myself`
`05:18.01`	`Elive_user`	`but its a good distro for new users`
`05:18.06`	`GPLGeek`	`every distro has its place`
`05:18.10`	`Elive_user`	`exactly`
`05:18.14`	`Elive_user`	`thats my point`
`05:18.15`	`GPLGeek`	`but there are some very specific problems they have with new users`
`05:18.27`	`withoutclass`	`i get a udev error during boot, where udev complains that it requires kernel 2.6.12 or greater, any idea what could be the problem?`
`05:18.41`	`Jensen\|`	`at the time, i just got a new hd on my laptop and i needed something quick to see that the current kerels etc would support my wireless and shit`
`05:18.43`	`GPLGeek`	`with their limited package repo they can not get it all bug free even and even though they are doing good work if it was really for noobs why do you have to open the terminal to do so many damn things.`
`05:18.45`	`Jensen\|`	`i just havnt had the motivation to wipe it`
`05:19.11`	`withoutclass`	`i know ubuntu in breezy supported my wireless right away`
`05:19.24`	`Elive_user`	`GPLGeek: well thats any distro actually, most distros require some terminal usage, but ubuntu requires the least from what i've seen`
`05:19.34`	`Jensen\|`	`ill stick with it till dapper comes out, then ill consider switching to something else`
`05:19.41`	`withoutclass`	`dapper is nice now`
`05:19.49`	`withoutclass`	`it fixed the shutdown problems i had with breezy`
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`05:19.56`	`roxville`	`i'm just p.o'ed that their glibc6 is different... makes it harder to get some debian packages`
`05:20.48`	`roxville`	`but only because i HATE installing source files`
`05:20.52`	`roxville`	`:)`
`05:20.56`	`withoutclass`	`=o`
`05:21.02`	`Jensen\|`	`ive done gentoo stage 1 before`
`05:21.12`	`Jensen\|`	`i was compiling for about 2 days on a 700mhz`
`05:21.25`	`Elive_user`	`i've installed gentoo stage 1 probably 3-4 times`
`05:21.28`	`Elive_user`	`its not so bad`
`05:21.29`	`withoutclass`	`im real noob too, i did gentoo 1/3 jackass install in about a day or a little more`
`05:21.30`	`roxville`	`lord, let me skip that...`
`05:21.36`	`Elive_user`	`at least in terms of user interaction`
`05:21.43`	`Elive_user`	`but yes, the compile times, they kill`
`05:21.45`	`Jensen\|`	`its not, its just that was my first linux install`
`05:21.50`	`GPLGeek`	`I can install gentoo quickly on a amd64 3700+`
`05:21.53`	`GPLGeek`	`takes a few hours`
`05:21.56`	`neighborlee`	`once installed to HD..does synaptic put apps in their prospective menus yet ?`
`05:22.07`	`neighborlee`	`it doens't seem to in livecd but I can understand that`
`05:22.20`	`withoutclass`	`unsure, i prefer apt`
`05:22.37`	`roxville`	`neighborlee, it doesn't... that's a e thing, not synaptic`
`05:22.46`	`roxville`	`you still have to make the eapps`
`05:22.49`	`neighborlee`	`yeah I know`
`05:22.56`	`neighborlee`	`I was just curious if it did yet`
`05:23.02`	`neighborlee`	`how is that done`
`05:23.13`	`Jensen\|`	`i live off the console so i only touched the command menu when i was feeling lazy`
`05:23.18`	`neighborlee`	`is this integration coming for e17 ?`
`05:23.24`	`Elive_user`	`yay!! my bro is downloading 0.4 for me`
`05:23.28`	`Elive_user`	`ill have it tonight`
`05:23.35`	`Elive_user`	`(he has a way fast connection)`
`05:23.37`	`neighborlee`	`kewl ;)`
`05:23.54`	`Elive_user`	`ok`
`05:23.56`	`neighborlee`	`Elive_user, I just got a fast connection today when I switched to comcast from dsl`
`05:23.57`	`Elive_user`	`well time to reboot`
`05:24.03`	`withoutclass`	`i kinda feel like a jerk...cuz our school blocks bit torrent, so i had to dl it from one of the sites seeders aresupposed to get their iso file from =X`
`05:24.24`	`Elive_user`	`neighborles: my internet is provided by my apartment complex, its only 6x the speed of dialup if that`
`05:24.27`	`Elive_user`	`very slow`
`05:24.30`	`Elive_user`	`pathetic`
`05:24.36`	`Elive_user`	`and i pay $8 a month too`
`05:24.45`	`neighborlee`	`ouch`
`05:24.51`	`Elive_user`	`yes, indeed`
`05:24.52`	`withoutclass`	`thats harsh`
`05:25.01`	`withoutclass`	`during the day my internet is slower than 56k`
`05:25.08`	`Elive_user`	`that's why im moving out after this semester`
`05:25.16`	`neighborlee`	`oh boy well someday hope you can move then..`
`05:25.20`	`neighborlee`	`oh ok kedwl`
`05:25.21`	`neighborlee`	`kewl`
`05:25.25`	`neighborlee`	`and whew ;))`
`05:25.29`	`Elive_user`	`yeah`
`05:25.29`	`Jensen\|`	`well im gonna go play some flash games`
`05:25.31`	`Elive_user`	`well brb`
`05:25.34`	`GPLGeek`	`i get megabytes per second download speed`
`05:25.39`	`withoutclass`	`peace`
`05:25.51`	`withoutclass`	`during the day im looking at about 800b/s`
`05:25.52`	`withoutclass`	`hahah`
`05:26.23`	`GPLGeek`	`during the 25/7/365 im looking at over 1MB/s`
`05:26.38`	`GPLGeek`	`problem is the servers do not serve as fast as I can download`
`05:26.52`	`GPLGeek`	`So I find myself downloading like 4 iso's at a time from seperate mirrors`
`05:27.00`	`GPLGeek`	`each at 300 to 500KB/s each`
`05:27.05`	`withoutclass`	`dang`
`05:27.07`	`withoutclass`	`ur huge`
`05:27.22`	`withoutclass`	`you should seed elive xD`
`05:27.30`	`neighborlee`	`reason I went to comcast as I now get 6 MBs instead of paulty 1.5`
`05:27.42`	`withoutclass`	`comcast is real nice`
`05:27.46`	`neighborlee`	`yup`
`05:28.14`	`withoutclass`	`dorm internet is....lacking`
`05:28.18`	`neighborlee`	`hm`
`05:28.31`	`GPLGeek`	`comcast here`
`05:28.51`	`GPLGeek`	`The problem is the upspeed is only 45KB/s`
`05:28.53`	`withoutclass`	`supposed to get 1mb/s per student usin in the dorms, and i highly doubt i get my 1mb/s cuz my dads dsl at 768 is faster`
`05:29.34`	`neighborlee`	`withoutclass, I guesss you must pick your times better..even though that would be a hasstle`
`05:30.10`	`withoutclass`	`neighborlee, even last night at 1230 i was laggin while playing some warcraft 3 under windows`
`05:30.31`	`neighborlee`	`ouch`
`05:30.57`	`neighborlee`	`I guess everyone else is trying the ole midnight trick too :(`
`05:30.59`	`GPLGeek`	`I used to help develope anti-cheats for warcraft3`
`05:31.05`	`withoutclass`	`really?`
`05:31.13`	`GPLGeek`	`I was a alpha and beta tester too`
`05:31.16`	`neighborlee`	`GPLGeek, heh kewl`
`05:31.18`	`GPLGeek`	`I didn't get paid`
`05:31.26`	`GPLGeek`	`I got some cool stuff and free accounts`
`05:31.29`	`withoutclass`	`nice`
`05:31.48`	`GPLGeek`	`and I could get banned and have my account back the next hour`
`05:32.09`	`withoutclass`	`i hope i get a job with my computer science degree after school hahah`
`05:32.31`	`neighborlee`	`GPLGeek, ha my friend just tried to get some cheats for X3 now that he has new nvidia card that can handle it..troulble is the new x3 game contains gameplay mechanics that make the cheats unuseable ;))))lol`
`05:33.13`	`GPLGeek`	`Note that most cheats that are not just "codes" have viruses in them`
`05:33.32`	`GPLGeek`	`the real cheaters keep their source closed so they dont get detected`
`05:33.42`	`neighborlee`	`yeah`
`05:33.45`	`GPLGeek`	`the ones that open the source only want to get popular enough to control thousands of botnet computers`
`05:33.48`	`withoutclass`	`yea, along with keygens and other greatly sought after things like that`
`05:34.07`	`GPLGeek`	`and those steam unlockers just want to steal your username and password`
`05:34.07`	`neighborlee`	`LOL yeah`
`05:34.11`	`GPLGeek`	`or creditcard info`
`05:34.18`	`GPLGeek`	`I was a anti-cheat expert`
`05:34.25`	`gnaunited`	`Sound epplet?`
`05:34.28`	`GPLGeek`	`for Counter-Strike and MMO's`
`05:37.58`	`withoutclass`	`i wish the unix server that i need to do my homework on understood the elive terminal so i could use pico on elive`
`05:38.25`	`withoutclass`	`it complains that it doesn't understand my rxvt-unicode terminal`
`05:39.42`	`GPLGeek`	`what charset is the unix terminal`
`05:39.55`	`roxville`	`withoutclass, ctrl+alt+insert`
`05:40.05`	`roxville`	`try it, it's eterm`
`05:40.18`	`Thanatermesis`	`any SWISS ?`
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`05:40.45`	`roxville`	`i don't think so thana`
`05:40.55`	`withoutclass`	`so thats how u get eterm up`
`05:41.00`	`Thanatermesis`	`mmmh :/`
`05:41.08`	`withoutclass`	`anyway, it complains that it doesn't know about this "eterm" terminal`
`05:41.23`	`withoutclass`	`i have also tried aterm`
`05:41.51`	`Thanatermesis`	`withoutclass tru TERM=XTERM`
`05:42.08`	`Thanatermesis`	`try*`
`05:42.36`	`Thanatermesis`	`export TERM=xterm`
`05:42.59`	`withoutclass`	`in xterm or eterm`
`05:43.32`	`withoutclass`	`oh`
`05:43.37`	`withoutclass`	`it worked, thank you`
`05:43.59`	`roxville`	`he's not mr elive for nothing`
`05:44.07`	`Thanatermesis`	`aparently urxvt needs this... i don't know why`
`05:44.08`	`withoutclass`	`=D`
`05:44.14`	`Thanatermesis`	`lol`
`05:44.28`	`neighborlee`	`this is weird..when I have xchat window minimzed as icon to desktop menus look fine, but if I have xchat opened as now and try to use menu, ic in background of menu the text from xchat window ...???`
`05:44.39`	`wasynyt`	`morning to all`
`05:44.41`	`neighborlee`	`either left or right click menus are effected by this`
`05:44.46`	`neighborlee`	`wasynyt, hi`
`05:44.52`	`roxville`	`morning wasynyt`
`05:45.03`	`withoutclass`	`i do not experience this menu problem you do`
`05:45.06`	`roxville`	`hehe`
`05:45.12`	`withoutclass`	`snap`
`05:45.17`	`withoutclass`	`i owe at least 3 bucks now`
`05:45.18`	`withoutclass`	`xD`
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`05:45.48`	`neighborlee`	`withoutclass, well I mean clicking in the desktop, not the xchat window`
`05:46.05`	`neighborlee`	`withoutclass, it was not doing this at first, but is now`
`05:46.09`	`withoutclass`	`how do you make the text red like that? ima irc nub`
`05:46.32`	`withoutclass`	`also, i tried opening both menus off of desktop, and it did not happen to me`
`05:46.49`	`neighborlee`	`are you running xchat ?`
`05:46.54`	`withoutclass`	`yes`
`05:47.06`	`neighborlee`	`if I could get a screenshot...`
`05:47.15`	`neighborlee`	`gimp`
`05:52.17`	`withoutclass`	`actually im gunna make a donation`
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`05:56.00`	`Drex99`	`Hi`
`05:56.08`	`withoutclass`	`su`
`05:56.09`	`withoutclass`	`p`
`05:56.30`	`Drex99`	`Terminals all messed up`
`05:56.37`	`withoutclass`	`acii characters?`
`05:56.40`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt x ar en فع حثعء حشس مهقث ؤش اثهى؟`
`05:56.43`	`Drex99`	`yesa`
`05:56.50`	`roxville`	`hehe`
`05:56.52`	`withoutclass`	`picked default english?`
`05:56.53`	`withoutclass`	`lol`
`05:57.05`	`roxville`	`klingon?`
`05:57.12`	`withoutclass`	`looks more like arabic`
`05:57.31`	`Thanatermesis`	`the lord of the rings ?`
`05:57.33`	`Drex99`	`yeah but wont change even with langconf update`
`05:57.53`	`Thanatermesis`	`Drex99 you have a problem with langconf ? what language ?`
`05:58.26`	`roxville`	`ok, my daughte woke up, i gotta get her bck to sleep... se y'all tomorrow...`
`05:58.35`	`wasynyt`	`bye`
`05:58.41`	`Thanatermesis`	`good night roxville`
`05:58.46`	`Drex99`	`apt x ar en didnt do nuttin`
`05:59.09`	`Thanatermesis`	`Drex99 what is the problem with langconf ?`
`05:59.17`	`Thanatermesis`	`or... what is the problem ? :)`
`05:59.35`	`Drex99`	`terminal is all greek characters`
`05:59.45`	`withoutclass`	`thanatermesis, how much do i need to donate to get super access to elive xD`
`05:59.46`	`Drex99`	`lang cong never fixed it`
`06:00.02`	`Drex99`	`langconf that is`
`06:00.05`	`Thanatermesis`	`Drex99 apt-get update ; apt-get install langonf and reconfigure it`
`06:00.22`	`Thanatermesis`	`withoutclass what is "super access" ?`
`06:00.28`	`Drex99`	`yes thana I tried that`
`06:00.39`	`Thanatermesis`	`Drex99 and you have restart from X and enter again ¿?`
`06:00.42`	`withoutclass`	`thanatermesis im just being goofy =D`
`06:00.50`	`Thanatermesis`	`lol`
`06:01.02`	`withoutclass`	`serious about donating however`
`06:02.20`	`Thanatermesis`	`if you want to make a donation, not exist any "value", is just you to decide it :)`
`06:02.26`	`Drex99`	`might be working Thana`
`06:02.46`	`Drex99`	`I need Su first and a passord I think`
`06:02.57`	`Drex99`	`hard to see what it wanted.`
`06:03.23`	`Thanatermesis`	`then launch elpanel and configure your languages from it ;)`
`06:03.34`	`neighborlee`	`bah I give up...where is the app located that allows me to add/edit the engage panel ? ;(((SIGHH`
`06:03.36`	`Drex99`	`guess I gotta restart e16 now huh?`
`06:04.04`	`Thanatermesis`	`neighborlee e16 or e17 ?`
`06:04.07`	`wasynyt`	`entangle?`
`06:04.16`	`Thanatermesis`	`Drex99 of course :)`
`06:04.26`	`Drex99`	`my screen is too small to see the botom of the page in Language settings`
`06:04.59`	`Drex99`	`1280x 1024 er something`
`06:05.06`	`Drex99`	`ok. brb.`
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`06:07.14`	`Drex99`	`Language selector wont come up now.`
`06:07.17`	`neighborlee`	`Thanatermesis, 16`
`06:07.17`	`withoutclass`	`thanatermesis are there plans to offer other monitor resolutions in the future? unfortunately my 1280x800 resolution isn't in the list yet :(`
`06:07.22`	`neighborlee`	`Thanatermesis, sorry bout that`
`06:07.38`	`Thanatermesis`	`neighborlee engage-manager`
`06:07.58`	`neighborlee`	`yes but I dont remember where it is`
`06:08.08`	`Thanatermesis`	`withoutclass maybe... what happens if you edit it manually ?`
`06:08.10`	`neighborlee`	`I know I ussed it from a gui but dont recall where`
`06:08.23`	`Thanatermesis`	`withoutclass editing the xorg.conf file manually`
`06:08.25`	`Thanatermesis`	`it works ?`
`06:08.53`	`Thanatermesis`	`neighborlee engage-manager... from elpanel`
`06:08.57`	`withoutclass`	`thanatermesis i can check, as i have not bothered yet since the 1280x768 is bearable and i have been lazy, i will check it out now`
`06:08.57`	`Thanatermesis`	`Drex99 then ?`
`06:09.23`	`Thanatermesis`	`withoutclass just edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf`
`06:09.27`	`Thanatermesis`	`and try it`
`06:09.30`	`neighborlee`	`Thanatermesis, ok, when you say elpanel you mean the panel at bottom of desktop on 16 right`
`06:09.35`	`neighborlee`	`if so im seeing no such icon`
`06:09.42`	`withoutclass`	`yea, i have done it before, but it doesn't always work right`
`06:10.31`	`Drex99`	`Esporanto will not display anymore.`
`06:11.21`	`Drex99`	`Oh. I found a spare 80 gig to install elive onto.`
`06:11.50`	`Drex99`	`It was just layimg around with old porn on it anyways.`
`06:11.57`	`withoutclass`	`aha`
`06:11.58`	`withoutclass`	`ha`
`06:12.36`	`Thanatermesis`	`http://elivecd.org/gb/Main/NewAbout/_images/elpanel_anim.gif <---- elpanel`
`06:13.05`	`neighborlee`	`checking and thx`
`06:13.08`	`withoutclass`	`ill be back`
`06:13.22`	`Thanatermesis`	`withoutclass ok... you have a xorg.conf (or xfree) for thsi resolution ?`
`06:13.37`	`withoutclass`	`i changed the values`
`06:14.06`	`withoutclass`	`do i need to do anytyhing else?`
`06:14.12`	`withoutclass`	`other than restart`
`06:14.27`	`neighborlee`	`weird ok I found it`
`06:14.48`	`neighborlee`	`under E17 > entangle`
`06:15.22`	`Drex99`	`maybe I'l just reinstall. OH NO, The INstall Button Is Gone, Call the Cops!!!`
`06:15.23`	`Thanatermesis`	`Drex99 you can't posible to reconfigura langconf ?`
`06:15.55`	`Drex99`	`I updated langconf`
`06:15.57`	`Thanatermesis`	`you don't need the install button on the installed system... i think`
`06:16.15`	`neighborlee`	`Thanatermesis, found engage too thx`
`06:16.19`	`Thanatermesis`	`aha, what more ?`
`06:16.20`	`Drex99`	`I'm gunna boot off cd and do it again Thana`
`06:16.42`	`Thanatermesis`	`Drex99 no just update.. you need to reconfigure your language now`
`06:16.55`	`neighborlee`	`Thanatermesis, I was simply missing t he 'add new icon' in engage in favor of the enticing ui of entangle go fig..im such a eye candy wanker sometimes LOL`
`06:17.03`	`Thanatermesis`	`neighborlee if you want to recover the conf of engage, see elpanel`
`06:17.32`	`Drex99`	`But I tried that, now esperonto will NOT open at all`
`06:17.39`	`Thanatermesis`	`yes... its totally another thing the engage of e16, but you have a complete tool also :)`
`06:18.02`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt x en es But I tried that, now esperonto will NOT open at all`
`06:18.06`	`Drex99`	`I will Install with En- Canadian next time.`
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`06:18.26`	`withoutclass`	`success`
`06:19.01`	`Thanatermesis`	`Drex99 you just need to reconfigure, no reinstall`
`06:19.06`	`Drex99`	`un sucsess for me`
`06:19.08`	`Thanatermesis`	`withoutclass just adding the resolution ?`
`06:19.41`	`withoutclass`	`actually, i just changed all the 768's to 800, and it seems to have increased the clarity`
`06:19.45`	`Thanatermesis`	`Drex99 i don't understand... you can't posible to launch langconf or change your language via elpanel ?`
`06:19.51`	`Drex99`	`I can not reconfigure is esperonto will not open up`
`06:20.11`	`Thanatermesis`	`Drex99 launch via elpanel then`
`06:20.16`	`withoutclass`	`i also suffer from this`
`06:20.25`	`withoutclass`	`i could not change my language config via elpanel`
`06:20.36`	`Thanatermesis`	`why not ?`
`06:20.43`	`withoutclass`	`when i tried to open it`
`06:20.56`	`Thanatermesis`	`via elpanel ?`
`06:21.04`	`Thanatermesis`	`in any case...`
`06:21.14`	`Thanatermesis`	`a 0.4.1 is prepairing for soon with all this bugs fixed`
`06:21.32`	`withoutclass`	`it would prompt for password, then elpanel would go back to the default menu, and then a box would pop up telling me that i had to restart X for the changes to take effect, never got to change anything`
`06:21.48`	`Drex99`	`it does not open and displayes a box that says" IMPORTANT" You need to exit from the grafical system to appl the changes.`
`06:21.58`	`Drex99`	`<PROTECTED>`
`06:22.02`	`withoutclass`	`yea, thats the same thing my system does`
`06:22.03`	`Thanatermesis`	`Drex99 go to "control + alt + F1" and with root: "dpkg-reconfigure locales"`
`06:22.11`	`neighborlee`	`gotta reboot..take care ttys ;))`
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`06:22.36`	`Drex99`	`ok. hang thana`
`06:22.42`	`Thanatermesis`	`Drex99 i think to you has the problem of sudo..`
`06:22.45`	`Drex99`	`gott write that down`
`06:24.51`	`GPLGeek`	`Thanatermesis, some people said they were using ati and not radeon and im wondering if we should add a sed -i '/s/[ ]Driver[ ]"ati".*$/\tDriver\t"fglrx"/g' /etc/X11/xorg.conf`
`06:25.40`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek some persons add "ati" ? how add it ?`
`06:25.53`	`Drex99`	`Ok Thana I will restart now ok. I did the locales thingy`
`06:26.12`	`Thanatermesis`	`good :)`
`06:26.18`	`GPLGeek`	`there is a Driver "ati" rright?`
`06:26.19`	`Drex99`	`see you soon`
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`06:27.15`	`Drex99Happy`	`It works Thana, Thanks`
`06:27.20`	`Thanatermesis`	`only radeon, fglrx and vesa GPLGeek`
`06:27.25`	`Thanatermesis`	`lol`
`06:27.40`	`GPLGeek`	`user feedback flawed lol.`
`06:27.43`	`GPLGeek`	`pebkac`
`06:27.44`	`Thanatermesis`	`Drex99 try "sudo echo hello", what happens ?`
`06:27.54`	`Drex99`	`Thana Is A God.. I bow to thee.`
`06:28.36`	`Drex99`	`Lol.`
`06:29.04`	`Drex99`	`Im a windows user, what do I know.`
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`06:29.22`	`Drex99`	`But I love Linux. I just needs helps`
`06:30.06`	`Drex99`	`what's my secret password Thana?`
`06:30.20`	`withoutclass`	`lol?`
`06:30.40`	`dererk`	`apt, lol?`
`06:30.42`	`apt`	`it has been said that lol is stands for Laughing Out Loud. It is grammatically incorrect to use LOL in the first person; use 'heh' or 'haha' instead. If you want to use LOL, do '/me lol' instead.`
`06:30.45`	`Thanatermesis`	`Drex99 the pass of your user maybe (no root)`
`06:31.14`	`dererk`	`apt, good bot`
`06:31.14`	`apt`	`aw, gee, dererk`
`06:31.37`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt bad WildChild`
`06:31.38`	`apt`	`Bad WildChild, bad! No cookie for you!`
`06:31.42`	`withoutclass`	`when i do "apt-get update" my terminal seems to hang on connecting to ftw.nerim.net. is there a known issue with that server?`
`06:31.54`	`Drex99`	`anyways Thanks to all in here for helping enyone who needs help.`
`06:32.12`	`Thanatermesis`	`it works for me withoutclass`
`06:32.19`	`withoutclass`	`:(`
`06:32.21`	`Drex99`	`I want to be a Linux geek too.`
`06:32.37`	`withoutclass`	`Drex99 read alot ;)`
`06:32.52`	`Drex99`	`Yes Thana. I will try`
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`06:35.32`	`Drex99`	`where do I get that big ass clock for my desktop?`
`06:35.38`	`withoutclass`	`lol`
`06:35.42`	`withoutclass`	`left click`
`06:35.53`	`withoutclass`	`on desktop, configuration`
`06:36.11`	`withoutclass`	`then configuration panel, then modules`
`06:36.25`	`withoutclass`	`module settings*`
`06:36.41`	`withoutclass`	`and then i think the giant clock issss tclock`
`06:36.49`	`Drex99`	`Cool. Thanks`
`06:36.59`	`withoutclass`	`np`
`06:37.06`	`Drex99`	`Might be only on E17. Im in E16`
`06:37.28`	`withoutclass`	`now i get a question, how do i set the time on my system, and is there an nptl option, or something like it?`
`06:37.59`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt elpanel withoutclass`
`06:38.01`	`apt`	`elpanel elpanel elpanel, this is the answer to your question and the solution of all your problems, try it withoutclass ;)`
`06:38.01`	`Drex99`	`I used my CMOS to do it.`
`06:38.34`	`Drex99`	`epanel didnt work for my ctl alt f1 thing`
`06:38.55`	`withoutclass`	`=o`
`06:39.02`	`Drex99`	`apt-get icecream`
`06:39.07`	`Thanatermesis`	`o_o`
`06:40.44`	`withoutclass`	`need to install ntp`
`06:41.07`	`Thanatermesis`	`ok... time to the bed...`
`06:41.10`	`Thanatermesis`	`good night all'`
`06:41.14`	`wasynyt`	`good noght`
`06:41.16`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt good night`
`06:41.17`	`apt`	`good night, sleep tight, dont let the bed bugs bite... Love you lots, and take care of yourself...`
`06:41.17`	`withoutclass`	`good night than`
`06:41.20`	`wasynyt`	`*night`
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`07:22.29`	`GPLGeek`	`good night`
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`08:50.53`	`Mtraker`	`hi`
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`09:11.14`	`GloubI_fr`	`hello, there is some french user here ?`
`09:11.48`	`GloubI_fr`	`I'm some question about Elive install on HD`
`09:12.38`	`Mtraker`	`what version do you have?`
`09:12.58`	`GloubI_fr`	`i've got the last, 0.4`
`09:13.19`	`Mtraker`	`I think don't problem`
`09:13.28`	`Mtraker`	`whats the matter?`
`09:13.37`	`GloubI_fr`	`in fact i've no pb`
`09:14.02`	`GloubI_fr`	`i just want some indications about install in french`
`09:14.23`	`GloubI_fr`	`i mean, to install Elive totaly in french`
`09:14.59`	`GloubI_fr`	`i try 0.3 but some part heu...`
`09:15.21`	`GloubI_fr`	`English was present on some part of Elive`
`09:15.28`	`Mtraker`	`yes`
`09:15.30`	`GloubI_fr`	`sorry for my english :(`
`09:15.35`	`Mtraker`	`it's correct. I think so`
`09:15.51`	`GloubI_fr`	`ha`
`09:16.00`	`Mtraker`	`not problem I'm speak english very bad too`
`09:16.24`	`GloubI_fr`	`there a no totaly location ?`
`09:16.39`	`Mtraker`	`My install it's the same in catalan and spanisv languaje`
`09:16.59`	`GloubI_fr`	`ah ok`
`09:17.29`	`Mtraker`	`and any app dont translate`
`09:17.36`	`Mtraker`	`it's normal`
`09:18.05`	`Mtraker`	`if you want any program in french, you have the sources for translate`
`09:18.06`	`GloubI_fr`	`i think so too`
`09:20.59`	`GloubI_fr`	`do you know the diff between elive and debian ?`
`09:22.01`	`Mtraker`	`elive it's a livecd with Enlightenment`
`09:22.10`	`Mtraker`	`but it's the same`
`09:22.51`	`GloubI_fr`	`hum... and why the repository is différent ?`
`09:23.28`	`Mtraker`	`because in debian it's sarge now`
`09:23.36`	`Mtraker`	`stable`
`09:23.49`	`Mtraker`	`and this is tested`
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`09:24.18`	`Mtraker`	`only it's this`
`09:38.00`	`GloubI_fr`	`ok, i understand, in fact, it misses the packages of localization`
`09:38.48`	`GloubI_fr`	`for exemple, with firefox, i installed mozilla-firefox-locale-fr-fr and now i've FF in french`
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`09:38.53`	`GloubI_fr`	`:)`
`09:41.45`	`GloubI_fr`	`thanks for yours tips Mtraker :)`
`09:41.51`	`Mtraker`	`yes`
`09:42.06`	`Mtraker`	`u re welcome`
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`12:08.35`	`Thanatermesis`	`hola Mtraker`
`12:13.37`	`Mtraker`	`nas Thanatermesis`
`12:13.51`	`Mtraker`	`buena gente en este canal`
`12:14.23`	`Mtraker`	`good people in this chanel`
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`12:19.28`	`Thanatermesis`	`yes Mtraker :)`
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`12:25.52`	`Mtraker`	`Thanatermesis, you forget the niash module in xsane :-)`
`12:26.40`	`Thanatermesis`	`niash module ? for what is ?`
`12:27.03`	`Mtraker`	`for my scanner hp3400C`
`12:27.23`	`Mtraker`	`but not it's a module kernel`
`12:27.35`	`Thanatermesis`	`its a driver just for a specific scanner ?`
`12:27.37`	`Mtraker`	`it's a patch in xsane`
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`12:28.35`	`Alguien`	`hola`
`12:28.53`	`Alguien`	`ya deje instalando la version 0.4 en la toshiba ;.)`
`12:30.29`	`Thanatermesis`	`:) Alguien`
`12:30.37`	`Thanatermesis`	`Mtraker its on debian ?`
`12:31.26`	`Mtraker`	`now?`
`12:31.52`	`Thanatermesis`	`yes, this patch`
`12:32.03`	`Thanatermesis`	`is just for this model of scanner or it supports more ?`
`12:32.17`	`Mtraker`	`supports more`
`12:32.32`	`Mtraker`	`hp 3300C , one model of Agfa`
`12:32.43`	`Mtraker`	`it's for chipset niash`
`12:35.12`	`Mtraker`	`I will see this patch. I think is a wine printer lib in debian. I work with ubuntu and the scanner run`
`12:36.05`	`Mtraker`	`I'm in a job now.`
`12:37.06`	`Thanatermesis`	`Mtraker and what needs this ? patching the sources of sane and rebuild it ?`
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`12:37.35`	`Thanatermesis`	`do you are on Elive for test me some packages of it for look it works for your scanner ?`
`12:39.01`	`Mtraker`	`not problem for this , but i think that patch it's for more people`
`12:39.06`	`Mtraker`	`sorry for my english`
`12:41.21`	`Thanatermesis`	`i have the same english to you :)`
`12:41.56`	`Mtraker`	`I can patch this app, and return for elive (i think)`
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`12:42.08`	`Thanatermesis`	`libsane-extras <--- any thing about this package ?`
`12:42.42`	`Thanatermesis`	`Mtraker pero que se necesita ? patchear la lib/application y recompilarla entera ? o de que tipo de patch se trata ?`
`12:43.19`	`Mtraker`	`no me acuerdo ahora, pero creo que era una recompilacion entera`
`12:43.46`	`Mtraker`	`no afecta a los demas modelos sino que agrega estos modelos`
`12:43.51`	`Mtraker`	`ya lo vere luego`
`12:44.06`	`Thanatermesis`	`bueno... no sera dificil hacerlo :)`
`12:44.09`	`Mtraker`	`los paquetes de mandrake vienen agregados y en ubuntu creo que tambien`
`12:44.25`	`Thanatermesis`	`pero hay que hacerlo "al estilo debian", recrear el paquete con ese patch simplemente`
`12:44.49`	`Thanatermesis`	`cuando tengas un tiempo para mirar eso (todo desde Elive) hazme un toque y pruebo de darle el soporte ;)`
`12:45.13`	`Mtraker`	`ok`
`12:45.25`	`Mtraker`	`I will see`
`12:52.48`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt x en es i will see`
`12:55.21`	`Mtraker`	`Thanatermesis, can you give me the link for a direct download?`
`12:55.33`	`Thanatermesis`	`of elive ?`
`12:55.38`	`Mtraker`	`yes`
`12:55.48`	`Thanatermesis`	`http://thana.no-ip.org/trac/wiki/EliveRelease`
`12:55.53`	`Mtraker`	`thanks`
`12:56.12`	`Mtraker`	`Y que expresion se usa para ver??`
`12:56.30`	`Mtraker`	`:-)`
`13:06.58`	`Mtraker`	`I'm going to lunch, see you later`
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`13:13.07`	`Thanatermesis`	`ver ? "look" ?`
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`14:10.53`	`SteveMyers`	`morning guys :)`
`14:12.38`	`Liveengineer`	`evening Steve`
`14:15.54`	`SteveMyers`	`:)`
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`15:47.02`	`withoutclass`	`good morning`
`15:47.21`	`Gwildor`	`mornin`
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`16:05.56`	`sinplomo`	`hi all`
`16:08.02`	`withoutclass`	`mornin`
`16:09.44`	`lordbambi`	`evening`
`16:09.49`	`withoutclass`	`=o`
`16:20.19`	`Mtraker`	`afternoon`
`16:20.26`	`Mtraker`	`:-)`
`16:20.34`	`lordbambi`	`hey all got a bit of compiling trouble... when i compile kernel modules, i get the error message:no rule to make target modules`
`16:21.37`	`withoutclass`	`make && make modules && make modules install && make install?`
`16:22.04`	`withoutclass`	`or is that too much`
`16:22.05`	`lordbambi`	`when i run make i get that error....`
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`16:22.34`	`lordbambi`	`is there a place where i have to put the modules source?`
`16:22.36`	`withoutclass`	`you already have your kernel installed?`
`16:23.07`	`lordbambi`	`ok short resume.... i apt-gettet kernel 1.6.15, changed grub so i can boot it`
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`16:23.23`	`lordbambi`	`i downloaded the adm module in my home directory and untarred it.`
`16:23.42`	`lordbambi`	`i enter the adm directory and try make and get the error`
`16:25.14`	`withoutclass`	`sorry im kind of a newbie, not really sure what adm is`
`16:25.15`	`withoutclass`	`=X`
`16:25.51`	`lordbambi`	`adm is a network card driver`
`16:26.09`	`lordbambi`	`np i'll google a bit`
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`16:55.14`	`lordbambi`	`anybody have an idea.: when i run compile the adm8211 module i get folowing error: no rule to make target modules. Stop`
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`16:59.48`	`tizoc`	`Hi`
`17:00.06`	`tizoc`	`a question: does Elive work with Ati video cards??`
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`17:00.59`	`Gwildor`	`"works"...yes`
`17:01.06`	`Gwildor`	`3d....maybe`
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`17:01.36`	`Elive_user`	`hi`
`17:01.38`	`tizoc`	`ok, a friend tryed it, and he says that X didn't srart`
`17:01.51`	`Elive_user55`	`elive is realy impressiv`
`17:01.56`	`Gwildor`	`did he say why?`
`17:01.56`	`Elive_user55`	`impressiv`
`17:02.02`	`Gwildor`	`did he try vesa?`
`17:02.22`	`Mutacion`	`does some knows the program.. so i can change font size and color in eterm?`
`17:02.28`	`Mutacion`	`apt-get something :P but i dont remember`
`17:03.45`	`tizoc`	`Gwildor, he says "a lot of errors" .... but he is going to try with vesa`
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`17:07.51`	`rev0`	`hi there ;)`
`17:08.52`	`Gwildor`	`tizoc, you know waht carfd he has?`
`17:09.01`	`tizoc`	`9600xt`
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`17:09.09`	`Gwildor`	`hmph`
`17:09.48`	`rev0`	`elive 0.4 works really great but I just wonder why they exclude elapse from it? There's no good clock in e16 :(`
`17:11.04`	`LinuxNIT`	`rev0, elapse is in the repositories`
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`17:22.52`	`Strider`	`hi`
`17:23.10`	`Strider`	`Thanatermesis, you around?`
`17:24.00`	`Strider`	`does anyone know if there is an active mirror to download elive via http or ftp?`
`17:24.39`	`Strider`	`I have a friend who wants elive but is not having good success with bittorent`
`17:25.36`	`Thanatermesis`	`yes SteveMyers`
`17:25.37`	`Thanatermesis`	`ops`
`17:25.39`	`Thanatermesis`	`Strider`
`17:25.47`	`Strider`	`hi!`
`17:25.51`	`Thanatermesis`	`http://thana.no-ip.org/trac/wiki/EliveRelease`
`17:26.28`	`Strider`	`Thanks...hehe your very cool!`
`17:27.11`	`Thanatermesis`	`:)`
`17:29.31`	`Strider`	`Thanatermesis, does elive work with 64bit puters?`
`17:31.01`	`Gwildor`	`Thanatermesis, good day :) o/`
`17:31.33`	`Thanatermesis`	`good day Gwildor`
`17:31.48`	`Thanatermesis`	`Strider in some computers yes, but not is prepaired, and not is optimized for it`
`17:31.50`	`Thanatermesis`	`maybe not works`
`17:32.48`	`Strider`	`Thanatermesis, are you working on an elive to work with x64 ?`
`17:33.32`	`Thanatermesis`	`Strider when i buy a amd64 computer yes :)`
`17:33.47`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt x es en cuándo`
`17:33.50`	`Gwildor`	`Thanatermesis, yeah, buy me one too :P`
`17:34.30`	`Thanatermesis`	`hehehe Gwildor, if i need to buy one is because i don't have sufficient money for buy it ;)`
`17:34.46`	`Gwildor`	`Thanatermesis, dont worry, im broke with you :P`
`17:35.03`	`Thanatermesis`	`hehe :)`
`17:38.39`	`Mtraker`	`??? Thantermesis apt it's a traductor?`
`17:38.48`	`Thanatermesis`	`Mtraker yes, a bot :)`
`17:38.54`	`Mtraker`	`lol`
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`18:03.14`	`GloubI_fr`	`hello`
`18:03.42`	`LinuxNIT`	`howdy`
`18:03.59`	`GloubI_fr`	`there is a easy way to change keyboard layout ,`
`18:06.29`	`GloubI_fr`	`i tried with elive panel, but it's don't work`
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`18:07.05`	`LinuxNIT`	`hmm well i guess you could edit the xorg.conf file`
`18:07.42`	`GloubI_fr`	`directly ,`
`18:07.43`	`LinuxNIT`	`/etc/X11/xorg.conf`
`18:07.45`	`Thanatermesis`	`GloubI_fr maybe you has the problem of sudo`
`18:08.01`	`Thanatermesis`	`sigh, i need to release a upgraded version`
`18:08.17`	`GloubI_fr`	`heu i' don't use sudo`
`18:08.55`	`GloubI_fr`	`for example, i don't have maj jey`
`18:09.00`	`GloubI_fr`	`key`
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`18:10.21`	`Thanatermesis`	`the keyboard configurator use sudo`
`18:10.28`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt elive-bugs`
`18:10.33`	`apt`	`it has been said that elive-bugs is first look on http://elivecd.org/gb/Help/Bugs/ , please make a look before ask`
`18:10.47`	`Thanatermesis`	`GloubI_fr read in this page and make the thing with "sudo" related, after reboot and try again`
`18:11.05`	`GloubI_fr`	`thank`
`18:11.08`	`GloubI_fr`	`i will try`
`18:11.23`	`GloubI_fr`	`and sorry for my mistake`
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`18:12.14`	`Elive_user`	`elive 0.4 is SWEET!!`
`18:12.22`	`Thanatermesis`	`:)`
`18:14.40`	`Elive_user`	`Thanatermesis: entrance is a nice touch`
`18:14.54`	`GloubI_fr`	`comment line also`
`18:15.24`	`Thanatermesis`	`Elive_user yes, a beaufitul login :) you can change the theme via elpanel ;)`
`18:15.31`	`Thanatermesis`	`GloubI_fr yes, and chmod 0440 it`
`18:15.36`	`Elive_user`	`sweet`
`18:15.40`	`GloubI_fr`	`thanks`
`18:18.06`	`GloubI_fr`	`it's ok : -r--r----- 1 root root 0 2006-02-28 19:17 sudoers`
`18:19.37`	`Thanatermesis`	`ok, try to reboot now`
`18:19.53`	`GloubI_fr`	`OKI`
`18:19.57`	`GloubI_fr`	`oups`
`18:19.59`	`GloubI_fr`	`oki`
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`18:20.21`	`Thanatermesis`	`hi Gwildor`
`18:20.36`	`Gwildor`	`o/`
`18:20.55`	`Thanatermesis`	`do you are prepaired for a soon upgrade of the torrent ? ;)`
`18:21.13`	`Gwildor`	`yes, i can do that`
`18:21.20`	`Gwildor`	`i ahve 5 hours tdoay....`
`18:21.24`	`Gwildor`	`today`
`18:22.17`	`Thanatermesis`	`no no... not is prepaired`
`18:22.25`	`Gwildor`	`ahh, ok`
`18:22.25`	`Thanatermesis`	`and i don't have builded more isos since 0.4`
`18:22.33`	`Gwildor`	`well, whenever you are rdy`
`18:22.45`	`Thanatermesis`	`im just finishing to fix the little bugs and making all good :)`
`18:22.52`	`Gwildor`	`o.4.2?`
`18:22.55`	`Thanatermesis`	`but soon ;)`
`18:22.55`	`Gwildor`	`0.4.2?`
`18:23.07`	`Thanatermesis`	`maybe 0.4.2, i don't know`
`18:23.10`	`Thanatermesis`	`sounds better`
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`18:30.37`	`dats`	`hola`
`18:30.58`	`Gwildor`	`Thanatermesis, if you use 0.4.2 now, next you can use 0.4.3, and keep going , tehn release 0.5 when you are rdy`
`18:31.10`	`Gwildor`	`o/ dats`
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`18:35.17`	`Thanatermesis`	`yes Gwildor`
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`18:43.16`	`kender`	`wop`
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`18:46.50`	`Strider`	`since yesterdays dist-upgrade, Im having problems with programs that use the "avahi-client" it fails to start...`
`18:47.20`	`Gwildor`	`guys....its etch`
`18:47.27`	`Gwildor`	`testing across the board`
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`18:49.05`	`lordbambi`	`i've got wireless :-).... after trying to get it working for 3 hours or so`
`18:49.18`	`Gwildor`	`LUCKY`
`18:50.29`	`GloubI_fr`	`Thanatermesis, i'm sorry but no success :(`
`18:50.41`	`Thanatermesis`	`GloubI_fr ok, try this then`
`18:50.47`	`Thanatermesis`	`sudo echo hola (from your user)`
`18:50.50`	`Thanatermesis`	`and type your user password`
`18:51.26`	`dats`	`hello Gwildor`
`18:51.35`	`GloubI_fr`	`sudo: /etc/sudoers is zero length`
`18:51.44`	`GloubI_fr`	`j'ai du couiller qqpart`
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`18:52.06`	`GloubI_fr`	`how, i've must mistake someware`
`18:54.17`	`GloubI_fr`	`question : are you sure i have to delete every line of /etc/sudoers`
`18:54.36`	`GloubI_fr`	`it's a little strange`
`18:54.40`	`GloubI_fr`	`no ,`
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`19:17.11`	`dschohennes`	`hello everyone`
`19:17.55`	`Mtraker`	`hi`
`19:19.14`	`dschohennes`	`what do i have to do to make elive (installed version) recognize my dvd- and cdrom-device?`
`19:19.29`	`Gwildor`	`should be alreadyh.........`
`19:20.01`	`dschohennes`	`do i have to add the user to a special group?`
`19:20.08`	`lordbambi`	`dschohennes shouldn't be a problem`
`19:20.19`	`lordbambi`	`what are you trying to do?`
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`19:20.57`	`dschohennes`	`just watching a dvd :/`
`19:21.28`	`lordbambi`	`i had some trouble with it in 0.3... hold on let me check it now`
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`19:22.08`	`lordbambi`	`have you tried mounting a cd?`
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`19:29.03`	`lordbambi`	`dschohnennes same problem here.....`
`19:29.27`	`lordbambi`	`it was a bug in 0.3 that got transfered to 0.4..... i fixed a month ago but forgot how it was`
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`19:33.36`	`lordbambi`	`dschohenne... solved it. still around?`
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`19:34.38`	`Elive_user10`	`I try install icon but I am not guided for next step..I am linux new to this so I could ask help ?`
`19:35.00`	`dschohennes`	`lordbambi: yes, now again`
`19:35.21`	`lordbambi`	`ok pretty simple... is your sound working?`
`19:35.25`	`dschohennes`	`yes`
`19:35.34`	`lordbambi`	`did you add yourself to the cdrom group?`
`19:36.23`	`Mtraker`	`see you later`
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`19:36.28`	`dschohennes`	`yes`
`19:36.37`	`dschohennes`	`i guess that happened automatically`
`19:36.45`	`lordbambi`	`no it didn't...`
`19:37.00`	`dschohennes`	`Der Benutzer »johannes« ist bereits ein Mitglied der Gruppe cdrom.`
`19:37.09`	`dschohennes`	`means i AM member of cdrom`
`19:37.20`	`lordbambi`	`well it didn't do it here automaticly`
`19:37.32`	`lordbambi`	`try running it as root, just to be sure that isn't the problem`
`19:38.03`	`dschohennes`	`what should i run as root?`
`19:38.40`	`lordbambi`	`xmms`
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`19:41.35`	`Elive_user10`	`I follow elive howoto, but next step is unclear so someone can help ????`
`19:41.52`	`lordbambi`	`wat are you trying to do??`
`19:41.52`	`Thanatermesis`	`Elive_user10 what is the problem ?`
`19:42.09`	`Elive_user10`	`Thanatermesis, I follow howto, but next s tep is unclear`
`19:42.16`	`dschohennes`	`i can't play audio cd as root or user in xmms`
`19:42.23`	`dschohennes`	`@lordbambi`
`19:42.49`	`Thanatermesis`	`dschohennes root user not is for make any thing, just admin the system`
`19:43.05`	`Thanatermesis`	`Elive not has ANY configuration for just... exactly for this, for don't use root for normal user :)`
`19:43.15`	`dschohennes`	`Thana: just a test`
`19:43.27`	`Thanatermesis`	`oh.. user also ?`
`19:43.52`	`Thanatermesis`	`dschohennes do you speak about the "auto-launch" thing ?`
`19:44.03`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt x en es I follow howto, but next s tep is unclear`
`19:44.47`	`lordbambi`	`thana he is having a problem playing audio cd's i asked him to play the cd as root, since that was a problem on my cd. root was allowed, user wasn't....`
`19:45.16`	`lordbambi`	`dschonnes can you mount a normal iso9660 cd?`
`19:45.41`	`dschohennes`	`no not audio`
`19:45.46`	`dschohennes`	`i can't mount anything`
`19:45.56`	`dschohennes`	`no dvd and so`
`19:46.02`	`Thanatermesis`	`Elive_user10 what part ?`
`19:46.20`	`lordbambi`	`can you mount your elive cd? (just to be sure i understand you)`
`19:46.30`	`Thanatermesis`	`dschohennes on the final version of Elive ?`
`19:46.40`	`Elive_user10`	`Thanatermesis, I click to install and now have window to me, yet I do not see what to do`
`19:47.34`	`Liveengineer`	`Elive_user10 are u trying to change an icon`
`19:48.02`	`Elive_user10`	`Liveengineer, hmm..gparted is window name...what is to be done ?? ( I am from windows )`
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`19:49.26`	`dschohennes`	`Thanatermesis: yes, 0.4 and i did a apt-get dist-upgrade today`
`19:50.33`	`Thanatermesis`	`Elive_user10 this is the partitioner, partition your hard disk if you want it, for make the partitions for th einstallation`
`19:50.52`	`Thanatermesis`	`you need minimum 3 GB for install Elive and 500 Mb for a "swap" type partition`
`19:51.00`	`Thanatermesis`	`after do this, close it and the installation continues`
`19:51.17`	`Thanatermesis`	`Elive_user10 DON'T RESIZE a NTFS partition... NTFS is a crappy thing, if you resize it, you lost all your data`
`19:51.50`	`Thanatermesis`	`dschohennes is the dist-upgrade directly involved ? in another words... after to do this, you can't play more the audio cd's ?`
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`19:52.22`	`Elive_user10`	`Thanatermesis, ...I know nothing of this partitioner,,I thought to find steps for guide so I dont know if I am ok to continue ..is there more guide ?`
`19:52.49`	`dschohennes`	`humm i don't think so... it's the first time i try it since the installation`
`19:53.08`	`dschohennes`	`ut it's not a problem of the audio-cds...`
`19:53.25`	`lordbambi`	`also iso9660 cd's?`
`19:53.30`	`dschohennes`	`any`
`19:53.31`	`Elive_user10`	`To install Elive, simply click on the icon you can see on the picture, then follow the steps. < maybe not for windows user yet ?`
`19:54.02`	`dschohennes`	`nothing happens when chosing "Open DVD" in Mplayer`
`19:54.14`	`dschohennes`	`Graveman will not detect any cdrom/dvd`
`19:55.39`	`lordbambi`	`dschohennes, put in a normal iso9660 cd, open cl, type: mount -t iso9660 /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom`
`19:55.59`	`lordbambi`	`do it as root...... user is not allowed to mount`
`19:56.19`	`dschohennes`	`yes i know`
`19:56.26`	`dschohennes`	`i'm not new to linux`
`19:56.27`	`dschohennes`	`:)`
`19:56.31`	`lordbambi`	`srry`
`19:56.37`	`dschohennes`	`no problem :)`
`19:56.42`	`lordbambi`	`did that work?`
`19:56.49`	`dschohennes`	`there is no /dev/cdrom`
`19:57.02`	`dschohennes`	`i just wanted to tell you`
`19:57.21`	`dschohennes`	`i can't find any dev-file that could be my cdrom`
`19:57.23`	`wasynyt`	`you have the same problem as me.. ask thana to help you with 2.6.25 kernel`
`19:57.33`	`wasynyt`	`*2.6.15`
`19:57.38`	`wasynyt`	`:S`
`19:57.38`	`lordbambi`	`try making a link from /dev/hd... to /dev/cdrom`
`19:57.42`	`Alguien`	`can you make a link to the respective hd*?`
`19:57.54`	`Alguien`	`jeje`
`19:58.08`	`dschohennes`	`i don't have /dev/hd* either`
`19:58.31`	`lordbambi`	`are you running scsi?`
`19:58.33`	`Elive_user10`	`Thanatermesis,I think not possible now ..windows which is needed I have here on one drive ntfs...wait to next time ?`
`19:58.35`	`Alguien`	`what do you have in /mnt?`
`19:59.32`	`dschohennes`	`no, in other distros it was always recognized as /dev/hda /dev/hdb`
`19:59.57`	`Alguien`	`can you mount hdb?`
`20:00.45`	`dschohennes`	`no, i got no hd*'s`
`20:01.07`	`wasynyt`	`dschohennes, ask thanatermesis to give you instrctions how to install 2.6.15 kernel`
`20:01.11`	`LinuxNIT`	`are you using sata?`
`20:01.32`	`lordbambi`	`installing kernel 1.6.15 is pretty easy, apt-get it and change grub`
`20:01.54`	`dschohennes`	`sata for my harddisks but not for dvd-rom`
`20:02.01`	`wasynyt`	`well i just cant remember what else had to be changed`
`20:02.06`	`dschohennes`	`no problems with sata though`
`20:02.06`	`LinuxNIT`	`did you load the module for sata?`
`20:02.27`	`dschohennes`	`yes, i run Elive installed on sata`
`20:02.43`	`LinuxNIT`	`ah ok`
`20:02.51`	`LinuxNIT`	`sorry i wasnt here for the whole hting ;)`
`20:02.59`	`lordbambi`	`he still should have /dev/hda for his cdrom...`
`20:03.42`	`Thanatermesis`	`next time not posible...`
`20:03.48`	`wasynyt`	`i think he has a problem with udev, same as i..it gets fixed by installing 2.6.15 kernel`
`20:04.09`	`lordbambi`	`that is possible...`
`20:04.28`	`lordbambi`	`i installed kernel 2.6.15 2 days ago... it wasn't that difficult.`
`20:04.33`	`Thanatermesis`	`NTFS is a crappy thing, if you use it, you cant posible to resize it without lost your data (with caption ntfs yes)`
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`20:05.05`	`wasynyt`	`Thanatermesis, i did resize my ntfs partion with gparted without losing anything`
`20:06.17`	`LinuxNIT`	`dschohennes, sounds like ou should try the new kernel ;)`
`20:06.21`	`LinuxNIT`	`:D`
`20:07.08`	`lordbambi`	`dschohennes... :apt-get install linux-image-2.6.15-1-686 (or your architecture) and change menu.lst to the new kernel`
`20:07.21`	`Thanatermesis`	`is posible, in any case... i don't have NTFS, hehe`
`20:07.23`	`lordbambi`	`that is all you need to do to change to another kernel`
`20:07.28`	`Thanatermesis`	`but is dangerous..`
`20:07.33`	`Thanatermesis`	`if you say "yes, resize it!"`
`20:07.54`	`wasynyt`	`you just have to use analyze tool in defrag to see if there free space in the end of drives space`
`20:07.55`	`lordbambi`	`thana... i use ghost a lot. i ghost my entire harddisk over a network connection`
`20:08.03`	`wasynyt`	`Thanatermesis, true`
`20:08.07`	`Thanatermesis`	`and this user lost the data because the fucking crappy NTFS... then you are the bad-boy and Elive the fucking system to has delete your data... bad linux, bad linux`
`20:08.52`	`lordbambi`	`actually NTFS isn't bad, but mickysoft doesn't release how it works... so mickysoft is a bad boy`
`20:09.19`	`wasynyt`	`no.. i think ntfs is not that wel designed`
`20:09.33`	`LinuxNIT`	`personaly i have resized NTFS numerous times without problems. however i make sure there is nothing overly important on that partition becuase i know it is possible to lose data`
`20:09.50`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt ntfs`
`20:09.52`	`apt`	`well, ntfs is Microsoft's attempt to create a Unix-like filesystem. linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net is a good source of information. http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/ has patches against 2.4.20 of the backport of the 2.5.X ntfs [ntfs-tng] allowing overwrite without changing filesize. you need umask=022,gid=xxx to acces the partition as non-root. See also ...`
`20:10.03`	`wasynyt`	`ntfs uses shotgun aproach in space usage`
`20:11.03`	`lordbambi`	`hey they where coming from fat32.... NTFS was a BIG step for mickysoft kind`
`20:11.15`	`lordbambi`	`one small step for humanity, one giant step for mickysoft`
`20:11.33`	`wasynyt`	`:D`
`20:11.42`	`lordbambi`	`when windows had NTFS linux was still using ext2.....`
`20:12.20`	`wasynyt`	`but linux people got new better file systems as microsoft stayed with ntfs`
`20:12.46`	`dschohennes`	`ok thanks everyone... i will try it`
`20:12.57`	`lordbambi`	`there is actually a difference in nt4.0, 2000 and XP ntfs`
`20:13.00`	`wasynyt`	`your welcome`
`20:13.10`	`wasynyt`	`is there`
`20:13.12`	`wasynyt`	`??`
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`20:14.24`	`lordbambi`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ntfs`
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`20:15.27`	`lordbambi`	`when in doubt always ask the wikipedia :-)`
`20:15.33`	`wasynyt`	`:D`
`20:15.40`	`r2`	`anyone up for answering a couple questions on installing an SMP kernel in elive?`
`20:16.07`	`lordbambi`	`euhm.... don't have any experience with it... i know you can apt-get an smp kernel`
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`20:16.30`	`r2`	`which I did, but grub didn't get a menu entry for it...`
`20:16.36`	`lordbambi`	`aaah`
`20:16.40`	`lordbambi`	`pretty easy to change`
`20:16.48`	`lordbambi`	`go to /boot/grub`
`20:16.52`	`r2`	`Tried to create one but didn't boot properly...`
`20:16.55`	`lordbambi`	`edit menu.lst`
`20:17.26`	`r2`	`title Elive GNU/Linux kernel 2.6.15-SMP`
`20:17.26`	`r2`	`# kernel path-to-kernel root=rootdevice kernelarguments`
`20:17.26`	`r2`	`root (hd0,0)`
`20:17.26`	`r2`	`kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.15-1-686-smp root=/dev/hda1 vga=0x31A`
`20:17.26`	`r2`	`initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.15-1-686-smp`
`20:17.45`	`r2`	`Just thought somebody might have tried that already...`
`20:18.05`	`lordbambi`	`hmmm that looks ok. what error did it give, where did it stop?`
`20:18.20`	`r2`	`lots of udev garbage`
`20:18.40`	`r2`	`I just remember on ubuntu this worked pretty good :-(`
`20:19.00`	`r2`	`it's ok, I'll google around some more...`
`20:19.22`	`Thanatermesis`	`r2 today i have look a upgrade from udev i think , try to upgrade it`
`20:19.28`	`Thanatermesis`	`maybe has a fixation ;)`
`20:19.32`	`wasynyt`	`Alternate data streams allows files to be associated with more than one data stream. For example, a file such as text.txt can have a ADS with the name of text.txt:secret.txt (of form filename:ads) that can only be accessed by knowing the ADS name or by specialized directory browsing programs. Alternate streams are not detectable in the original file's size but are lost when the original file (i.e. text.txt) is deleted, or when the file is copied o`
`20:19.32`	`wasynyt`	`r moved to a partition that doesn't support ADS (e.g. a FAT partition, a floppy disk, or a network share). While ADS is a useful feature, it can also easily eat up hard disk space if not detected or forgotten.`
`20:19.46`	`wasynyt`	`i wonder why windows has so many viruses`
`20:20.03`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt virus`
`20:20.04`	`apt`	`rumour has it, virus is A program that makes unbidden copies of itself in order to proliferate. Usually plays a role either as graffiti or for malicious intent.`
`20:20.13`	`r2`	`ah tx Thanat`
`20:20.21`	`lordbambi`	`r2 check this out.... http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/08/msg00156.html`
`20:21.09`	`r2`	`sounds about right...`
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`20:21.34`	`lordbambi`	`so it is a udev problem`
`20:22.04`	`lordbambi`	`brb getting my spare battery`
`20:23.43`	`r2`	`BTW anyone seen CPU go 100% when using WLAN monitor in E17?`
`20:24.12`	`lordbambi`	`hmm i've had that problem but i thought it was my wirelesscard driver`
`20:24.32`	`lordbambi`	`my comp locks up for 5 secs and then works normal`
`20:25.09`	`wasynyt`	`i have seen cpu to go 102% when using e17 monitor applet`
`20:25.13`	`r2`	`mine doesn't lock up but it's busy :-)`
`20:25.27`	`r2`	`oh and configuring temp crashes E17...`
`20:25.36`	`r2`	`(tried that on several machines)`
`20:25.37`	`lordbambi`	`hehe 102%..... sounds like the engine of the starship enterprise......`
`20:25.56`	`wasynyt`	`:D`
`20:25.59`	`lordbambi`	`configure isn't a problem here`
`20:26.10`	`r2`	`must be a dual core ;-)`
`20:26.48`	`lordbambi`	`:-) doesn't the cell cpu have like 16 cores? so that goes up to 1600%?`
`20:27.18`	`r2`	`does that translate to 16 E17 monitors?`
`20:27.47`	`wasynyt`	`cell has 1(dual core? cant remember) +8 subcores..`
`20:28.52`	`r2`	`anyone familiar with Apples? (I mean the computer)`
`20:29.11`	`wasynyt`	`r2, why`
`20:29.36`	`r2`	`I was just wondering about them moving from PowerPC to Intel...`
`20:29.57`	`r2`	`The ads sound so good, I wanna buy a MacBookPro...`
`20:29.59`	`lordbambi`	`i know the apple intels run linux....`
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`20:30.08`	`wasynyt`	`well intel vs g4 :D not too hard win for intel`
`20:30.34`	`wasynyt`	`lordbambi, not too easily thou`
`20:30.36`	`r2`	`Yepp, but it's a different thing with the G5...`
`20:30.54`	`wasynyt`	`:D`
`20:30.57`	`lordbambi`	`wasynyt... they got just released... what do you expect`
`20:31.36`	`lordbambi`	`i'm looking forward to the release of the cell cpu`
`20:31.39`	`wasynyt`	`true.. it is just that at the current moment intelmac hardly boots linux..`
`20:31.43`	`lordbambi`	`wanne see what that baby can doo`
`20:32.06`	`r2`	`Ok, Elive is great I admit, but why would you wanna run linux on a MAC?`
`20:32.19`	`wasynyt`	`it will be mad... and sony publishing dev tools for linux for cell.. :D`
`20:32.24`	`lordbambi`	`well MAC has quallity hardware`
`20:32.34`	`r2`	`xactly...`
`20:32.45`	`lordbambi`	`i think IBM is writing compilers too`
`20:32.46`	`r2`	`Coming with an OS built for it...`
`20:32.56`	`lordbambi`	`and since IBM designed it, i guess it will run linux`
`20:33.17`	`wasynyt`	`:D`
`20:33.31`	`lordbambi`	`i guess everyone will be running a ps3 with elive on it :-)`
`20:33.55`	`wasynyt`	`or something else.. :S like gentoo..`
`20:34.41`	`r2`	`What the frail are you doing with elive on a PS3? Playing 356 incarnations of TUX racer? ;-)`
`20:35.14`	`wasynyt`	`r2, it is very powerful computer :D it can do almost anything :D`
`20:35.17`	`lordbambi`	`atleast you will have enough power to run bloaty kde :-)`
`20:35.29`	`r2`	`LOL`
`20:35.31`	`wasynyt`	`not enough memory :(`
`20:35.35`	`lordbambi`	`LOL`
`20:35.55`	`wasynyt`	`kde at 512 mem.. no go`
`20:36.26`	`lordbambi`	`i must be honest... i haven't touched kde in about 3 years`
`20:36.29`	`r2`	`I still don't get how they made E17 looking that great and still be so bloody fast...`
`20:36.53`	`wasynyt`	`r2, it is only about how you use your resources`
`20:37.27`	`wasynyt`	`when you think about it even 1 ghz is quite a lot`
`20:37.32`	`r2`	`I know, I'm trying to do so myself. But it seems people forget these days...`
`20:37.50`	`r2`	`I started with a .995MHz 6502 :-)`
`20:37.52`	`lordbambi`	`well i'm still running a PII 400 mhz`
`20:38.03`	`lordbambi`	`i started out with 4 Mhz.....`
`20:38.15`	`r2`	`Want a PIII?`
`20:38.27`	`r2`	`We're throwing them away...`
`20:38.35`	`lordbambi`	`laptops??`
`20:38.51`	`r2`	`nope just desktops...`
`20:39.11`	`lordbambi`	`well r2 if you live in belgium, the school i work in is always intersted in gifts...`
`20:39.42`	`r2`	`Think we do send stuff to schools in eastern Europe...`
`20:40.04`	`Gwildor`	`r2, what about me in michigan ;)`
`20:40.07`	`lordbambi`	`that is good... schools have a verry limited budget`
`20:40.39`	`r2`	`Hmm a cheesehead`
`20:40.48`	`Gwildor`	`no`
`20:40.53`	`r2`	`no wait...that was wisconsin right?`
`20:40.58`	`Gwildor`	`cheeseheads are a stateand a lake over :P`
`20:41.05`	`Gwildor`	`ya`
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`20:41.35`	`r2`	`right, been near Flint once...`
`20:42.13`	`r2`	`You'd have to come to Switzerland and pick it up :-`
`20:42.15`	`r2`	`)`
`20:42.50`	`Gwildor`	`r2 :(`
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`20:48.35`	`wasynyt`	`apt-get dist-upgrade ?`
`20:48.53`	`r2`	`well, being lazy I used synaptic :-)`
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`20:49.41`	`wasynyt`	`synaptic is actually a lot harder to use in these than apt-get`
`20:50.31`	`r2`	`Maybe, but I feel like clicking ever since I use E17 :-)`
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`20:51.26`	`Thanatermesis`	`any person with a ipw2000/2200 wireless card ?`
`20:51.26`	`wasynyt`	`true :D`
`20:51.38`	`Elive_user3`	`what chip do they use??`
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`20:53.41`	`lordbambie`	`thana, i installed my wireless network card today with module assistent...`
`20:53.41`	`wasynyt_asleep`	`time for me to go sleeping.. good noght to you all`
`20:53.47`	`lordbambie`	`night wasynyt`
`20:53.47`	`wasynyt_asleep`	`*night`
`20:53.52`	`r2`	`nite`
`20:54.27`	`Thanatermesis`	`lordbambi the ipw2000/ipw2200 ?`
`20:54.36`	`lordbambie`	`what module does that use?`
`20:54.41`	`Thanatermesis`	`is the wifi cards integrated in some laptops i think`
`20:54.51`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt ipw2200`
`20:54.54`	`apt`	`ipw2200 is a wireless driver for intel wireless cards, to install: m-a prepare && m-a a-i ipw2200. you will need module-assistant, build-essential and kernel-source-$(uname -r) packages installed, and you will need contrib sources, ask me about <contrib>. Download and install firmware as you are told during the install. http://ipw2200.sf.net, or for help go to ...`
`20:55.33`	`lordbambie`	`no i installed another one but i did it the same way`
`20:55.43`	`r2`	`apt linux`
`20:55.44`	`apt`	`it has been said that linux is a steaming pile of groganpaste`
`20:55.44`	`Thanatermesis`	`what is the name ?`
`20:55.53`	`lordbambie`	`adm8211`
`20:56.59`	`lordbambie`	`i apt-gettet the source package, dpkg the sourcepackage, compile with module assistant and add to kernel`
`20:57.05`	`r2`	`apt groganpaste`
`20:57.09`	`lordbambie`	`did it on kernel 2.6.15`
`20:57.13`	`lordbambie`	`apt klingon`
`20:57.29`	`r2`	`hmm`
`20:57.34`	`Thanatermesis`	`ok`
`20:58.08`	`Thanatermesis`	`i need to make the Elive version of the kernel 2.6.15 soon`
`20:58.17`	`lordbambie`	`you do need to download the headers and source of kernel 2.6.15`
`20:59.12`	`lordbambie`	`i also needed to apt-get some other packages to compile, but i can't remember wich ones.... i should learn to document my own stuff...`
`20:59.12`	`Thanatermesis`	`no no... i build a "own Elive version kernel" based on this 2.6.15 ;)`
`20:59.48`	`lordbambie`	`why not use the debian kernel??`
`20:59.59`	`Thanatermesis`	`just little diferencies`
`21:00.15`	`lordbambie`	`aren't you reinventing the hot water? (expression in dutch)`
`21:00.19`	`Thanatermesis`	`magic keys enabled, bootsplash patch, dma for the DVD.. .etc`
`21:00.25`	`Gwildor`	`cuz its the super duper thana kernel`
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`21:00.39`	`Thanatermesis`	`lol Gwildor`
`21:00.40`	`lordbambie`	`i like super duper... ;-)`
`21:00.52`	`Gwildor`	`lordbambie, many users recompile there own kernel anyways......so thana is just doing the hard work for us`
`21:01.15`	`Gwildor`	`lordbambie, for isntance, i need to compile mine own for wifi......`
`21:01.21`	`lordbambie`	`so he is gonna make a supercalifragelistic kernel :-)`
`21:01.28`	`Gwildor`	`would be nice if i could have thana do it for me....`
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`21:01.40`	`Gwildor`	`:P`
`21:01.44`	`lordbambie`	`well when i don't need to compile it i don't.... to much work and time to do it good`
`21:01.54`	`lordbambie`	`i like modules :-)`
`21:01.57`	`Gwildor`	`good learning experience though`
`21:02.10`	`r2`	`good on a cell...`
`21:02.13`	`Gwildor`	`not everything is available in a module...`
`21:02.23`	`lordbambie`	`running woody was a good learning experience ;-)`
`21:02.31`	`Gwildor`	`or the module support isnt compiled`
`21:02.34`	`Gwildor`	`heh..`
`21:02.52`	`Thanatermesis`	`Gwildor what wifi you has ?`
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`21:03.27`	`Gwildor`	`Thanatermesis, dwl-650 (prism3/atheros)`
`21:03.45`	`Thanatermesis`	`atheros/madwifi ?`
`21:04.00`	`lordbambie`	`can't you use the prism3 as a module?`
`21:05.29`	`Gwildor`	`Thanatermesis, i have only tried hostap on it...now workie...`
`21:05.38`	`Gwildor`	`Thanatermesis, and i have not tested it on elive yet either`
`21:06.14`	`Thanatermesis`	`Gwildor the madwifi driver is added... but is a little special, maybe is just this version`
`21:06.33`	`Gwildor`	`Thanatermesis, i have not tested the card on Elive at all.....`
`21:06.46`	`Gwildor`	`Thanatermesis, heh, i still have not used 0.4final yet either..`
`21:07.00`	`Thanatermesis`	`Gwildor maybe you can like to test with the soon 2.6.15 kernel for Elive :)`
`21:07.07`	`Thanatermesis`	`hehe`
`21:07.10`	`Gwildor`	`Thanatermesis, yes, soo as it is rdy :)`
`21:07.13`	`Gwildor`	`soon`
`21:07.21`	`Thanatermesis`	`ok :)`
`21:09.00`	`Gwildor`	`i really need ot get a copy of elive`
`21:10.34`	`lordbambie`	`gwildor you're not using elive?`
`21:11.02`	`Gwildor`	`lordbambie, no, i seeded the torrent over the weekend......when i came to work monday, the box was dead....i haevnt re-DL'ed it yet`
`21:12.23`	`lordbambie`	`howcome 0.4 can't use the hosting 0.3 used?`
`21:13.04`	`Gwildor`	`????`
`21:13.12`	`Gwildor`	`there's a torrent :P`
`21:13.25`	`lordbambie`	`yea but i remember downloading 0.3 with ftp`
`21:13.50`	`Gwildor`	`there is a ftp........top secret :P`
`21:13.54`	`Thanatermesis`	`lordbambie because we not have for now sufficients mirrors to offer their ftp/http for put Elive on it`
`21:14.30`	`lordbambie`	`but you had on 0.3...`
`21:15.12`	`Thanatermesis`	`yes... and 0.3 have make a lot of downloads, aparenlty has finished the bandwitch of some mirrors and not are very like to obtain the same thing with 0.4`
`21:15.31`	`lordbambie`	`ok i understand`
`21:15.38`	`lordbambie`	`did you look into belnet?`
`21:16.47`	`lordbambie`	`or hosting from sourceforge?`
`21:16.49`	`Thanatermesis`	`dererk has look in belnet`
`21:17.00`	`Thanatermesis`	`but aparently no way to put a iso here`
`21:17.12`	`Thanatermesis`	`sourceforge don't give mirror for distro projects`
`21:17.18`	`Thanatermesis`	`since long time ago`
`21:17.22`	`Thanatermesis`	`(new projects)`
`21:18.27`	`r2`	`So you don't have anybody to sponsor BW for elive?`
`21:19.06`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt x en es bw`
`21:19.12`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt bw`
`21:19.13`	`apt`	`thanatermesis: you bot whore!`
`21:19.50`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt clean your mouth`
`21:19.56`	`r2`	`bandwidth (meaning space too :-)`
`21:20.15`	`Thanatermesis`	`r2 who ?`
`21:21.16`	`r2`	`What I got from this conversation is that nobody is actually interested in hosting an elive ISO?`
`21:21.34`	`Gwildor`	`i seed the torrent :P`
`21:21.37`	`Gwildor`	`its the best i can do`
`21:22.01`	`Gwildor`	`Thanatermesis, i will look into getting you a host`
`21:22.05`	`r2`	`Maybe I can figure something out...`
`21:22.11`	`Gwildor`	`Thanatermesis, i know some ppl with 100/100 connections`
`21:23.22`	`lordbambie`	`a friend of mine has 10 mbit upload at his job, but i doubt he wants to host...`
`21:24.02`	`Gwildor`	`lordbambie, thats where i seed the torrent from`
`21:24.40`	`Thanatermesis`	`Gwildor r2, the Elive site has a good server, but the bandwitch is big about the users (for example the screenshots page uses very bandwitch, and i have needed to delete the video file from it), its good for the site, sufficient.. but i don't want to put here the iso... i don't want to broke the server to has offer the Elive site hosting :)`
`21:25.13`	`Gwildor`	`Thanatermesis, correct`
`21:25.43`	`lordbambie`	`you could make an msn homepage :-)`
`21:26.12`	`lordbambie`	`www.msn.com/elive.... sounds good ;-p`
`21:26.20`	`r2`	`we have 1G/1G and if that doesn't work out, I could ask somebody else...`
`21:26.29`	`Thanatermesis`	`DON'T`
`21:26.37`	`Thanatermesis`	`no... no sounds anything good`
`21:26.38`	`r2`	`no?`
`21:26.55`	`Thanatermesis`	`r2 i reply lordbambie ;)`
`21:27.00`	`r2`	`aha`
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`21:27.38`	`eManu`	`buenas !! :)`
`21:27.45`	`r2`	`I know some people at switch.ch (they also run a sourceforge mirror, so the might have some space for elive as well).`
`21:28.13`	`r2`	`(they)`
`21:28.48`	`Thanatermesis`	`sounds good r2 :)`
`21:28.57`	`Thanatermesis`	`hola eManu`
`21:29.06`	`Thanatermesis`	`lordbambie ask bill gates if want to host the Elive iso :)`
`21:29.07`	`r2`	`Will get back in a few days...`
`21:29.26`	`lordbambie`	`hold on i'll give him a call....`
`21:29.54`	`r2`	`Can't do anything now (it's almost 11pm here :-)`
`21:30.26`	`lordbambie`	`problem is... when i ask bill to host, he'll want to put it on a mickysoft server..... and we will have a lot of stability problems with the hosting`
`21:30.32`	`Thanatermesis`	`lordbambie nah... i just think about your msn idea ;) msn = microsoft`
`21:31.04`	`eManu`	`Thanatermesis, como estas ?`
`21:31.20`	`Thanatermesis`	`im sure to bill gates is happy to offer a mirror for Elive :)`
`21:31.44`	`Thanatermesis`	`eManu pues muy bien.. ya mas tranquilo de todos los users que llegan de repente y tal, jeje, aqui trabajando como siempre ;)`
`21:31.48`	`r2`	`He'll probably add spyware though...`
`21:31.58`	`Thanatermesis`	`r2 or broke the iso :)`
`21:32.15`	`lordbambie`	`or put explorer into it.... yech`
`21:32.38`	`Thanatermesis`	`change the iso by a .exe file of 700 mb to delete your hard disk and after say a message "Elive don't responsabilize of any damage" lol`
`21:32.48`	`lordbambie`	`lol`
`21:32.55`	`eManu`	`Thanatermesis, ya te veo, que te sea leve ;)`
`21:33.02`	`Thanatermesis`	`jejeje`
`21:33.15`	`Thanatermesis`	`bueno... me voy a la ducha!`
`21:33.19`	`Thanatermesis`	`im back in some minutes`
`21:33.39`	`lordbambie`	`later`
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`22:13.50`	`GPLGeek`	`¡Hola, amigos!`
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`22:14.51`	`GPLGeek`	`LOL Pango crashed (not on elive)`
`22:15.05`	`GPLGeek`	`Doesn't like special charactors`
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`22:27.40`	`Elive_user`	`hey guys i'm trying to go to the elivecd.org website but it cannot be found`
`22:27.46`	`Elive_user`	`why is that?`
`22:27.51`	`Elive_user`	`is it off line?`
`22:27.55`	`Thanatermesis`	`mmmh`
`22:28.39`	`Thanatermesis`	`yes, its down (again)`
`22:28.46`	`Thanatermesis`	`thanks for the report, i inform this inmediately`
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`22:29.45`	`Elive_user`	`not to complain but this is the 3rd time in the last 4 days that this happens`
`22:29.47`	`Elive_user`	`:-)`
`22:30.07`	`Thanatermesis`	`aparently has problems, yes`
`22:30.11`	`Thanatermesis`	`what you need exactly ?`
`22:30.22`	`GPLGeek`	`We should start to panic!`
`22:30.34`	`GPLGeek`	`It's the end of the world if the website is down for a few minutes`
`22:31.00`	`Elive_user`	`i know there where some instructions on how to modify entrance`
`22:31.19`	`Thanatermesis`	`Elive_user do you use Elive 0.3 ?`
`22:31.19`	`Elive_user`	`i have installed kde and would like to have the option available`
`22:31.29`	`Elive_user`	`0.4`
`22:31.47`	`Elive_user`	`i know i modified the file and run the command but it never shows`
`22:32.09`	`Thanatermesis`	`after run the command, copy the .cfg resultant file to /etc`
`22:32.19`	`Elive_user`	`i did that`
`22:32.23`	`Thanatermesis`	`where do you have look this conf ?`
`22:32.28`	`Thanatermesis`	`this doc*`
`22:32.34`	`Elive_user`	`i follow all the steps and still din't work`
`22:32.59`	`Elive_user`	`i don't get it`
`22:33.11`	`Elive_user`	`what do you mean by doc*???`
`22:33.51`	`Thanatermesis`	`i mean, where do you have found this doc ? i don't know about this on the Elive site`
`22:33.57`	`Thanatermesis`	`Elive_user paste your conf on www.pastebin.com`
`22:35.15`	`Elive_user`	`is conf under my /home/user folder?`
`22:35.25`	`Elive_user`	`sorry kind of new at this!`
`22:35.54`	`Thanatermesis`	`what is the name of the file of you edit ?`
`22:36.16`	`Elive_user`	`that is the thing...`
`22:36.23`	`Elive_user`	`i modified this file last week`
`22:36.25`	`Thanatermesis`	`you need to edit the .sh`
`22:36.40`	`Elive_user`	`so that is when i tried to go to the website`
`22:36.45`	`Elive_user`	`to locate that info`
`22:37.13`	`Thanatermesis`	`yes... but is down now`
`22:38.53`	`Elive_user`	`ok it was /usr/share/entrance/build_config.sh`
`22:40.00`	`Thanatermesis`	`yes, it is`
`22:40.12`	`Thanatermesis`	`paste your actual configuration in www.pastebin.com`
`22:40.28`	`Elive_user`	`ok`
`22:41.45`	`GPLGeek`	`Thanatermesis, with elive I do less processing with my cpu so my system is actually cooler. The funny thing is that the system resource monitor app takes a lot of power and memory =) ROFL`
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`22:42.43`	`Elive_user`	`i'm not sure how to go about it`
`22:42.52`	`Elive_user`	`should i just copy and paste it?`
`22:42.56`	`Thanatermesis`	`Elive_user can you posible to change your nickname ? ( /nick yourname )`
`22:43.17`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek the e17 modules ?`
`22:43.44`	`rivera`	`ok`
`22:43.52`	`rivera`	`i have change to rivera`
`22:43.57`	`Thanatermesis`	`rivera yes, just copy-paste, and then click on "send" (i think), and give me the link`
`22:44.17`	`GPLGeek`	`Thanatermesis, ya`
`22:44.30`	`GPLGeek`	`i just thought that was funny`
`22:44.51`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek yes... not works very good, but launch "gkrellm" or "top" and look then.. there works good ?`
`22:45.06`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek not really funny, i think to it may be confus very the ppl`
`22:45.13`	`Thanatermesis`	`what is the name of this exact module ?`
`22:45.29`	`rivera`	`ok... here is the link http://pastebin.com/577488`
`22:45.57`	`GPLGeek`	`Thanatermesis, E will patch it soon`
`22:46.02`	`GPLGeek`	`They already know about it`
`22:46.47`	`GPLGeek`	`also it may not take a lot for many users, but some users it will take a lot. It depends on the hardware and the kernel`
`22:46.48`	`Thanatermesis`	`rivera i think to the problem is in the line 22, this line set the number of the WM of you has availabe... its on "2" and you have now 3`
`22:47.21`	`rivera`	`thanks! let me take a look at it`
`22:48.05`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek yes, maybe its because the 64 bits ? i don't know... in any case, this modules not works very good... what is the name of the exact module ?`
`22:49.20`	`rivera`	`ok done...`
`22:49.23`	`GPLGeek`	`"monitor"`
`22:49.41`	`rivera`	`now, whats the nex step?`
`22:49.56`	`GPLGeek`	`it's not bad on my amd64, the problem is running on my P4 machine`
`22:50.11`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek the module where has 4 (i think) things to monitor on it ?`
`22:50.16`	`GPLGeek`	`but at least there is no memory leak, so thats gook`
`22:50.26`	`Thanatermesis`	`rivera launch the script, copy the cfg file to /etc, and reload entrance ;)`
`22:50.29`	`GPLGeek`	`you can configure it to monitor many things`
`22:50.46`	`Thanatermesis`	`rivera wait a second...`
`22:50.53`	`Thanatermesis`	`rivera you have a command called "kde" ?`
`22:50.59`	`GPLGeek`	`and it's not that big of a deal, it will be fixed`
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`22:51.25`	`rivera`	`what command do i run to find out?`
`22:51.34`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek in any case... this module is deleted by default (available via packages) on the next versions of Elive`
`22:51.57`	`GPLGeek`	`it's not loaded by default so there is no problem`
`22:51.57`	`Thanatermesis`	`becuase all this modules of this package not works correctly... and this is not good to offer "by default" to all the users`
`22:52.14`	`GPLGeek`	`the problem is the temerature loaded on default`
`22:52.22`	`Thanatermesis`	`rivera just type "kde" and look if is launched any thing`
`22:52.23`	`GPLGeek`	`some people segfault if there is no system temp avaliable`
`22:52.50`	`Thanatermesis`	`really GPLGeek ? hum, i don't have imaginate this...`
`22:52.54`	`rivera`	`nope! there is no kde command`
`22:52.55`	`GPLGeek`	`'temperature' makes people segfault without interaction`
`22:52.58`	`Thanatermesis`	`ok, i note about disable it by default...`
`22:53.07`	`GPLGeek`	`for some people it works fine`
`22:53.24`	`GPLGeek`	`the clock seems stable and runs fine on all of my systems`
`22:53.26`	`pycs`	`rivera, would you like kde to be on elive?`
`22:53.35`	`Thanatermesis`	`rivera in the line 30, is where you need to enter the complete address of the command for launch kde, but also "kde" not exist.. .you need to know first the name of the executable`
`22:54.09`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek any problem with the battery ? this is another module loaded by default`
`22:54.21`	`rivera`	`the command name startkde`
`22:54.35`	`rivera`	`pycs, yes!!!`
`22:54.42`	`GPLGeek`	`Battery is awsome`
`22:54.47`	`GPLGeek`	`I have tested it on a few systems`
`22:55.10`	`rivera`	`ok, so i need to locate the startkde file, right?`
`22:55.17`	`GPLGeek`	`good ones are battery and clock and volume and pager`
`22:55.18`	`Thanatermesis`	`rivera ok, change it with the entire addres then, (try: "whereis startkde")`
`22:55.28`	`GPLGeek`	`have tested on 4 types of machines`
`22:55.42`	`GPLGeek`	`has anyone had any problems with any of those modules in .4 final`
`22:55.44`	`GPLGeek`	`?`
`22:55.51`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek but the clock not is very beautiful i think, i don't disable it just because this`
`22:55.52`	`GPLGeek`	`I think they are good.`
`22:56.05`	`pycs`	`rivera, then i think you would need "kdm" :)`
`22:56.38`	`rivera`	`ok, i got it... go ahead and include the line under line 30?`
`22:56.59`	`rivera`	`pycs, that is not what I want to do... i still want to run entrance`
`22:57.12`	`Thanatermesis`	`pycs but kdm don't launch any E ;)`
`22:57.16`	`pycs`	`oh i c.. :)`
`22:57.37`	`Thanatermesis`	`rivera curiosity question... why use kde on Elive ?`
`22:58.12`	`rivera`	`i'm still learning enlightenment and i'm more familiar with kde`
`22:58.23`	`rivera`	`i just want to have it as a backup option`
`22:58.46`	`GPLGeek`	`Thanatermesis, see most people think this`
`22:59.01`	`pycs`	`Thanatermesis, i also installed gnome, to make "enlightened gnome" LoL..`
`22:59.07`	`GPLGeek`	`Thanatermesis, most people have fluxbox and they want to migrate to e slowly.`
`22:59.42`	`GPLGeek`	`also many people use kapps or gapps in E`
`23:01.40`	`Thanatermesis`	`rivera E is for work a lot more fast than on E ;)`
`23:01.47`	`Thanatermesis`	`i need to write a doc about this...`
`23:02.06`	`GPLGeek`	`rivera, most people just use KDM, e is found and all your other desktops. just apt-get install kdm. Gnome, KDE, E, and other wm's are found without any interaction... If you want to go back to entrance you can, it tells you how to reconfigure it as you install the package.`
`23:02.09`	`rivera`	`:-)`
`23:02.18`	`rivera`	`yes, is way faster!!!`
`23:02.26`	`Thanatermesis`	`<GPLGeek> Thanatermesis, most people have fluxbox and they want to migrate to e slowly.`
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`23:02.36`	`GPLGeek`	`fluxbox or another wm`
`23:02.38`	`rivera`	`i have modified the file. let me give it a try... i'll be back`
`23:02.38`	`Thanatermesis`	`i think to its because this ppl has read to E is more FAST than fluxbox ;)`
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`23:03.10`	`GPLGeek`	`E is like a fast graphical version of flux. =)`
`23:03.21`	`Thanatermesis`	`rivera no just the system, but the way of work... for example... you are on E now ?`
`23:03.52`	`rivera`	`yes`
`23:04.20`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek kdm is a option... and entrance works good for select the login manager via debconf... but kdm don't launch e16/e17 i think (or in any case, only one)`
`23:04.23`	`Thanatermesis`	`rivera e17 ?`
`23:04.35`	`rivera`	`no e16`
`23:04.40`	`Thanatermesis`	`ok, look this rivera`
`23:04.43`	`Thanatermesis`	`Alt + E`
`23:05.06`	`Thanatermesis`	`you have a terminal, launch "grip &", and before to finish to launch, type "control + alt + r "`
`23:05.41`	`rivera`	`i see what your saying`
`23:05.46`	`rivera`	`u r right!!!`
`23:05.57`	`Thanatermesis`	`after you have the grip, type "control + alt + i ", and its minimized, then go to another desktop "Alt + Shift + Arrows", and here, type "alt + tab"`
`23:05.59`	`rivera`	`i never though about it that way`
`23:06.38`	`GPLGeek`	`Thanatermesis, i launch e16 and 17 from it`
`23:06.45`	`GPLGeek`	`by default it's configured to have them`
`23:06.54`	`Thanatermesis`	`the ppl thinks to its hard to work in this way.... but this is totally wrong... this is a lot more faster, and not is "hard", you don't need to learn... you just need to try this ONLY ONE TIME, and for the second time, you remember this for every day :)`
`23:06.59`	`GPLGeek`	`I have tested when I was helping those guys`
`23:07.11`	`rivera`	`interesting... is there a manual that shows you all this???`
`23:07.58`	`rivera`	`ok guys i'll be right back... i need to test the changes`
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`23:08.18`	`Thanatermesis`	`rivera in some part... e16 has a documentation about this, but i need to look about to include it.. in any case i want to write a documentation for this, a basic doc with all any user can be posible to need for work fast :)`
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`23:08.53`	`_hugo_`	`how do i extract my theme-files?`
`23:08.58`	`_hugo_`	`need to add a background`
`23:09.33`	`Thanatermesis`	`_hugo_ put your background on .e/e/backgrounds not is good ?`
`23:09.42`	`pycs`	`Thanatermesis, these keys are very good for efffieciency :)`
`23:09.59`	`Thanatermesis`	`pycs i don't tounch any time the mouse ;)`
`23:10.50`	`Thanatermesis`	`pycs this is the real things to i want to show to the ppl with using E... no just the eyecandy of e17`
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`23:11.08`	`_hugo_`	`Thanatermesis, yeah, it works, but i need to extract the theme background from the .edj theme file =)`
`23:11.22`	`rivera`	`hey guys, i'm back!`
`23:11.36`	`rivera`	`i have test it and it worked!!!!!`
`23:11.59`	`rivera`	`now i have kde 3.5 on my pc!!! that is great!!!`
`23:12.10`	`Thanatermesis`	`_hugo_ you can't posible ot extract a background from a theme because is "parts of a code", but you can posible to make a "thumbnail" of the part called "desktop/background" on the theme... using edje_thumb (not easy)`
`23:12.21`	`Thanatermesis`	`<Thanatermesis> rivera in some part... e16 has a documentation about this, but i need to look about to include it.. in any case i want to write a documentation for this, a basic doc with all any user can be posible to need for work fast :)`
`23:12.41`	`rivera`	`thanatermesis, thanks so much for your help!!!!`
`23:12.52`	`rivera`	`i think that is a great idea`
`23:13.04`	`Thanatermesis`	`welcome rivera :)`
`23:13.07`	`rivera`	`another question for you`
`23:13.17`	`rivera`	`is there a lock icon???`
`23:13.22`	`_hugo_`	`Thanatermesis, i know how to use edje_thumb, and it's not that difficult :)`
`23:13.28`	`Thanatermesis`	`a lock icon ?`
`23:13.49`	`rivera`	`i would like to lock my screen when i step away from it`
`23:13.59`	`Thanatermesis`	`_hugo_ ok.. then you just need to set the sizes of you want and the part to extract ( desktop/background i think )`
`23:14.06`	`_hugo_`	`but roxville, I think it was, showed me a way to extract all the images of the theme :)`
`23:14.26`	`Thanatermesis`	`rivera maybe using screensaver, i think to has this option, and you have a manager for it via elpanel ;)`
`23:14.36`	`Thanatermesis`	`perfect then _hugo_ :)`
`23:15.23`	`rivera`	`i look into it... the screensaver does lock the screen at the moment but i don't want to wait...`
`23:15.35`	`rivera`	`i think you know what i'm looking for...`
`23:15.50`	`rivera`	`thanks again... u have been a lot of help :-)`
`23:16.02`	`rivera`	`keep up the good work... :-)`
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`23:16.43`	`rivera`	`by the way the elivecd.org still down`
`23:17.12`	`Muta`	`ya lo dijeron!! <rivera>`
`23:17.14`	`Thanatermesis`	`yes but.. i don't have needed to lock any time my screen, hehe`
`23:17.16`	`Muta`	`chingao`
`23:17.44`	`Thanatermesis`	`the only time to i have needed to lock my screen, i have type "control + alt + F1 " (it needs a password, same to a lock lol)`
`23:17.49`	`rivera`	`muta, gracias por informarme... :-)`
`23:17.55`	`rivera`	`tranquilo...`
`23:18.06`	`rivera`	`no me aceleres... :-)`
`23:18.13`	`Thanatermesis`	`hehehe`
`23:18.36`	`Muta`	`s/c`
`23:18.52`	`Muta`	`ando d muy mal humor`
`23:19.16`	`rivera`	`ja, ja, ja, traquilo neron, tranquilo...`
`23:19.20`	`Thanatermesis`	`eso parece Muta...`
`23:19.21`	`Thanatermesis`	`que paso ?`
`23:19.23`	`rivera`	`el dia comienza....`
`23:19.49`	`Muta`	`pobs con maestros en la uni...y mi bocota no ayuda mucho`
`23:20.01`	`rivera`	`sorry to all of you guys who do not speak cervantes.... muta is having a bad day....`
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`23:20.09`	`Muta`	`d hecho ando en clase...cagado y chateando`
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`23:20.38`	`rivera`	`ja, ja, ja... echale ganas compadre!!! arriba el animo carajo!!!!`
`23:20.45`	`Thanatermesis`	`:)`
`23:21.01`	`Muta`	`cuando vea una botella d tequila cambiare d animo antes no`
`23:21.15`	`Thanatermesis`	`xDDD`
`23:21.18`	`rivera`	`:-)`
`23:21.29`	`rivera`	`ok.... good chating with you guys...`
`23:21.32`	`rivera`	`later...`
`23:21.41`	`Muta`	`bye`
`23:21.50`	`_H_`	`bueno, thanatermesis, que te gustaria que pusiese en el articulo sobre el elive?`
`23:22.32`	`Muta`	`sobre apps!`
`23:22.35`	`_H_`	`me bajo el elive por emule o ahora hay poca carga?`
`23:22.52`	`lordbambie`	`does anyone know how to disable flash in firefox?? i hate those flash adds...`
`23:22.55`	`Thanatermesis`	`_H_ te puedo dar link directo si quieres`
`23:23.00`	`_H_`	`dame pues`
`23:23.14`	`Thanatermesis`	`lordbambie apt-cache search flash mozilla ... remove the pacakge ;)`
`23:23.29`	`Thanatermesis`	`_H_ http://thana.no-ip.org/trac/wiki/EliveRelease`
`23:23.43`	`_H_`	`thanatermesis, en emule hay dos elives diferentes uno Elive" y otro "elive"`
`23:24.07`	`Muta`	`haha lol`
`23:24.32`	`lordbambie`	`yea but than i've lost flash totally.....`
`23:24.53`	`lordbambie`	`this works too: rm -rf /*..........`
`23:25.04`	`Thanatermesis`	`si.. es la que esta en mayusculas creo, si no quieres link directo, usa el link de amule de la pagina de Elive ;)`
`23:25.17`	`Thanatermesis`	`lordbambie o_O'`
`23:25.23`	`Muta`	`<lordbambie> bad joke`
`23:25.47`	`Thanatermesis`	`si, eso se podria merecer una buena patada... pero vamos a ignorarlo por el momento...`
`23:26.13`	`Muta`	`yo si m lo puteaba hay cosas con las q no c puede jugar`
`23:26.20`	`Thanatermesis`	`lordbambie what do you mean ?`
`23:26.35`	`lordbambie`	`well you can disable java and javascript, but not flash`
`23:26.58`	`Thanatermesis`	`lordbambie delete the java package thene`
`23:27.01`	`_H_`	`valem en dos horas lo tengo bajado`
`23:27.07`	`Thanatermesis`	`flash*`
`23:27.15`	`Thanatermesis`	`flashplayer-mozilla <--`
`23:27.17`	`lordbambie`	`but then i lose flash.....`
`23:27.24`	`lordbambie`	`i want to disable it....`
`23:27.37`	`Thanatermesis`	`then install when you want it`
`23:27.41`	`lordbambie`	`example: i disable the rain module, i don't delete it`
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`23:27.45`	`Thanatermesis`	`i don't understand what youwant..`
`23:27.59`	`Thanatermesis`	`then enter in the firefox configuration and disable it maybe, i don't know`
`23:28.07`	`lordbambie`	`k i'll check google....`
`23:29.32`	`_H_`	`This is the code of you need to look verifying it, VERY IMPORTANT to are correct esa frase es algo rara, no creo que este bien escrita thanatermesis`
`23:29.52`	`Thanatermesis`	`_H_ pse... ya sabes que mi ingles... xD`
`23:30.25`	`Thanatermesis`	`ala, cambiado ;)`
`23:30.27`	`Muta`	`jiji`
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`23:31.45`	`_H_`	`This is the MD5 code of you need to verify, VERY IMPORTANT to are correct --> Ths is the MD5 checksum, its VERY IMPORTANT to cv`
`23:31.50`	`_H_`	`to verify it`
`23:32.05`	`_H_`	`o to check it`
`23:32.33`	`_H_`	`dame la url donde describes el proyecto y la que describe las mejoras de esta version`
`23:32.40`	`_H_`	`please :)`
`23:33.11`	`Thanatermesis`	`ok`
`23:34.42`	`Muta`	`pero tuu...q m has dado..golpes en el corazoon`
`23:34.48`	`Muta`	`la la la`
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`23:37.43`	`Thanatermesis`	`ya se te a pasado xD`
`23:38.09`	`Muta`	`creo q debere hacer una seccion n el wiki acerca d como usar aplicaciones en la bash`
`23:39.12`	`Muta`	`de hecho nop thana...ando chateando y hablando n clase`
`23:39.33`	`Muta`	`y el maestro ya m vio feo dice q digo cosas sin sentido`
`23:39.47`	`Muta`	`pero ando mamando mucho con mis comntarios`
`23:40.56`	`Muta`	`jiji ni modo asi suelo ser`
`23:42.31`	`Thanatermesis`	`jeje`
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