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`00:11.19`	`withoutclass`	`hello folks`
`00:11.28`	`_hugo_`	`hello`
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`01:19.42`	`gnaunite1`	`apt engage`
`01:19.43`	`apt`	`engage is, like, Im found a little and simple good mini-howto for install and configure engage, hummm... is in spanish ! http://home.ripway.com/2004-2/77982/varios/howto-engage.txt`
`01:20.39`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek ping`
`01:20.51`	`Thanatermesis`	`juas!`
`01:21.04`	`Thanatermesis`	`its ooold this howto xD`
`01:22.23`	`_hugo_`	`how do i turn of shades around windows? :p`
`01:22.43`	`gnaunite1`	`es en la idioma de espana!`
`01:22.55`	`_hugo_`	`need it to make my 100% trans Eterm look perfect =)`
`01:23.17`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt x en es shade`
`01:23.26`	`Thanatermesis`	`:/`
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`01:24.41`	`gnaunited`	`apt ping`
`01:24.42`	`apt`	`pong`
`01:24.48`	`gnaunited`	`apt pong`
`01:24.49`	`apt`	`\| .`
`01:25.16`	`_hugo_`	`apt shade`
`01:25.42`	`gnaunited`	`apt elive`
`01:25.44`	`apt`	`i heard elive is a livecd (installable) project and a perfectly distro based in debian and have only the enlightenment WM for managing all the system, utilities, libs, instalation, programation in EFL... the best distro in the world for this moments :)`
`01:26.04`	`gnaunited`	`apt download elive`
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`01:32.45`	`gnaunited`	`Thanatermesis, did you list http://www.nuelogic.com/download.php as a mirror?`
`01:36.00`	`Thanatermesis`	`yes gnaunited, is prepaired for when i add all the list on the site`
`01:36.08`	`Thanatermesis`	`http://thana.no-ip.org/trac/wiki/EliveRelease`
`01:36.18`	`Thanatermesis`	`i need to wait more mirrors, we don't have very for now`
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`02:00.32`	`Mutacion`	`alo?`
`02:01.59`	`Thanatermesis`	`alo`
`02:02.10`	`Mutacion`	`alo alo?`
`02:02.11`	`Mutacion`	`xD`
`02:02.21`	`Thanatermesis`	`alo alo`
`02:02.40`	`Mutacion`	`oye thana habia un programa en apt-get install ______ qe me hacia configurar mi -elive terminal- para lo del tamanio de la font/color`
`02:02.46`	`Mutacion`	`no sabras cual es? :P`
`02:08.20`	`Mutacion`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`02:12.23`	`GPLGeek`	`Thanatermesis, PONG PONG PONG PONG PONG PONG`
`02:12.42`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek i need a tester of the new add of 1280x800`
`02:12.53`	`GPLGeek`	`ok`
`02:13.11`	`GPLGeek`	`put in .4 iso live mode?`
`02:13.34`	`Thanatermesis`	`you have a machine with this resolution for test ?`
`02:13.40`	`Thanatermesis`	`just upgrade a package and this is all ;)`
`02:13.42`	`GPLGeek`	`yes`
`02:13.49`	`GPLGeek`	`what package`
`02:14.35`	`Thanatermesis`	`ok, wait a second, i finish it and i upgrade it`
`02:14.42`	`Thanatermesis`	`you know about modelines ?`
`02:14.55`	`GPLGeek`	`a little`
`02:15.28`	`GPLGeek`	`livecd is booted`
`02:15.37`	`GPLGeek`	`not in x yet though, did not select anything`
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`02:17.36`	`Elive_User33`	`apt hello`
`02:17.36`	`apt`	`hola, elive_user33`
`02:20.00`	`Thanatermesis`	`ok, one second`
`02:20.06`	`GPLGeek`	`take your time`
`02:21.55`	`gnaunited`	`How do I change the DNS servers from the command line? What file do i need to edit`
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`02:22.02`	`GPLGeek`	`http://xtiming.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/xtiming.pl`
`02:22.24`	`Thanatermesis`	`ok GPLGeek`
`02:22.30`	`GPLGeek`	`Modeline "1280x800@0" 0.00 1280 1312 1312 1344 800 820 820 841 is considered "generic"`
`02:22.30`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt-get update ; apt-get install elive-scripts`
`02:22.49`	`Thanatermesis`	`generic ? mmh, i have added another`
`02:22.54`	`GPLGeek`	`no`
`02:23.05`	`GPLGeek`	`it does not work in xorg as well as it did in xfree`
`02:23.24`	`Thanatermesis`	`what ? where is the good ?`
`02:23.28`	`GPLGeek`	`let me test it first`
`02:23.41`	`Thanatermesis`	`ok`
`02:24.39`	`GPLGeek`	`we could have a version of elive that autodects the video card and uses the right driver`
`02:25.12`	`Thanatermesis`	`what version ?`
`02:25.49`	`roxville`	`elive-vid :)`
`02:26.21`	`Thanatermesis`	`lol`
`02:31.10`	`roxville`	`what is pydje? a mix of python and edje?`
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`02:34.15`	`GPLGeek`	`I'm drunk so I forgot the command to display the hardware`
`02:34.41`	`GPLGeek`	`after that you can \| grep nvidia or \| grep ati and if they exist then load the driver for it`
`02:34.41`	`Thanatermesis`	`yes roxville`
`02:34.51`	`roxville`	`hehe GPLGeek`
`02:35.06`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek this is how to works :)`
`02:35.16`	`roxville`	`oh... i thought i was a joke...wow`
`02:35.18`	`GPLGeek`	`I can not remember the name of the command and I probably use it once a week`
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`02:35.40`	`roxville`	`hello p5yph3r`
`02:35.49`	`p5yph3r`	`hello all`
`02:36.00`	`Mutacion`	`qiubole p5yph3r`
`02:36.14`	`p5yph3r`	`como?`
`02:37.23`	`roxville`	`:)`
`02:37.30`	`roxville`	`but that's ok...`
`02:37.39`	`GPLGeek`	`lspci`
`02:37.42`	`GPLGeek`	`thats it`
`02:37.44`	`GPLGeek`	`damn im stupid`
`02:37.50`	`roxville`	`lol`
`02:38.03`	`roxville`	`GPLGeek, that's how i feel most days...`
`02:38.06`	`GPLGeek`	`lspci \| grep ati and lspci \| grep nvidia`
`02:38.27`	`GPLGeek`	`you can make a if structure, if its there then load module, if both are there then prompt user`
`02:38.51`	`roxville`	`oh that? my daughter coulda' told you that!`
`02:39.06`	`GPLGeek`	`Your doughter drunk?`
`02:39.07`	`roxville`	`but she's asleep now... she's only 3 y'know...`
`02:39.17`	`roxville`	`:D`
`02:39.18`	`GPLGeek`	`shes a drunk!`
`02:39.22`	`GPLGeek`	`you gave her wine!`
`02:39.29`	`roxville`	`NO!`
`02:39.32`	`p5yph3r`	`has anyone had any luck making fglrx work with 0.4?`
`02:39.43`	`GPLGeek`	`nobody sleeps at this $time`
`02:39.48`	`GPLGeek`	`p5yph3r, yes`
`02:40.02`	`GPLGeek`	`Me and thana fixed it, there is a thing on the bugs page`
`02:40.05`	`GPLGeek`	`a script`
`02:40.11`	`GPLGeek`	`is elivecd.org down?`
`02:40.33`	`roxville`	`GPLGeek, here in SC, it's 9:38... my 3yr old daughter is sleeping!`
`02:41.05`	`roxville`	`it was earlier, but i think it's cool now...`
`02:41.05`	`GPLGeek`	`one sec ill put the script on my site`
`02:42.10`	`GPLGeek`	`and the .debs`
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`02:44.25`	`roxville`	`hello jsubl2`
`02:44.32`	`roxville`	`welcome to #elive`
`02:45.15`	`jsubl2`	`thank you... thinking about trying it.. I loaded cvs version of e17 using a script from the ubuntu forums.. I really like e17`
`02:45.22`	`jsubl2`	`but i have sata disk`
`02:45.35`	`jsubl2`	`reading the edevlop forum`
`02:45.45`	`roxville`	`ok... that is basically fixed now`
`02:46.09`	`jsubl2`	`really.. maybe i should join the torrent then`
`02:46.24`	`GPLGeek`	`http://gplgeek.homelinux.org/downloads/FGLRX.tar`
`02:46.33`	`roxville`	`yeah... there will be some additional files you need to d/l`
`02:46.35`	`GPLGeek`	`wget that`
`02:46.40`	`roxville`	`while in cd mode`
`02:46.47`	`GPLGeek`	`then tar -xpf FGLRX.tar`
`02:47.07`	`jsubl2`	`ok not big deal.. is there a url i can print off instructions from or should i take notes now`
`02:47.11`	`GPLGeek`	`as root do sh GPLGeekFGLRX.sh`
`02:47.21`	`GPLGeek`	`that's it`
`02:47.25`	`GPLGeek`	`that will install FGLRX for you`
`02:47.33`	`roxville`	`http://wiki.elivecd.org/en/wiki/installing_elive_on_a_sata_harddrive`
`02:47.35`	`GPLGeek`	`it will configure xorg.conf and modules`
`02:47.42`	`roxville`	`that may help... hold on a sec...`
`02:47.59`	`Mutacion`	`whats the commando to set wallpapers? set__what?`
`02:48.45`	`roxville`	`root`
`02:49.11`	`roxville`	`Thanatermesis, didn't you make a howto for sata?`
`02:49.37`	`roxville`	`or is the one in the wiki still the one to follow?`
`02:50.06`	`jsubl2`	`i have an ide disk i could plugin.`
`02:50.44`	`roxville`	`well look at the link i pasted, it should help quite a bit`
`02:50.52`	`jsubl2`	`ok`
`02:51.30`	`roxville`	`and jsubl2 ... e on elive is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much better than on ubuntu!`
`02:52.04`	`Thanatermesis`	`roxville sata is included now directly on the installer ;)`
`02:52.17`	`roxville`	`OK!`
`02:52.21`	`jsubl2`	`can't wait to try it.. i tried e17 for the past couple of days.. and it has the potential to be better than osx or already is`
`02:52.32`	`Mutacion`	`what's the command to insert a new wallpaper?`
`02:52.36`	`jsubl2`	`great thanks roxville and Thanatermesis`
`02:52.43`	`roxville`	`jsubl2, then you do apt-get update and apt-get install elive-installer`
`02:52.45`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek with the package upgraded, "elive-scripts", launching xconfigurator, the 1280x800 works ?`
`02:52.51`	`jsubl2`	`got the torrent running`
`02:52.52`	`roxville`	`or eliveinstaller...`
`02:53.04`	`roxville`	`yw jsubl2 :)`
`02:53.31`	`roxville`	`Mutacion, you do it from elpanel!`
`02:53.53`	`Mutacion`	`it dosent let me put JPG images as wallpapers xD`
`02:53.56`	`GPLGeek`	`Thanatermesis, I dont see the option for it`
`02:54.01`	`GPLGeek`	`I did update the package`
`02:54.12`	`roxville`	`Mutacion, so convert them to png's`
`02:54.16`	`Thanatermesis`	`mmh`
`02:54.29`	`GPLGeek`	`let me redownload it`
`02:54.38`	`GPLGeek`	`i maybe downloaded before server updated`
`02:54.56`	`jsubl2`	`roxville, ok noted on the apt-get`
`02:55.12`	`Thanatermesis`	`:(`
`02:55.22`	`GPLGeek`	`that's what happened lol`
`02:55.22`	`Thanatermesis`	`i hope to my changes not are deleted...`
`02:55.25`	`Mutacion`	`wait, rox`
`02:55.31`	`GPLGeek`	`I just was able to get them`
`02:55.43`	`GPLGeek`	`works`
`02:55.46`	`GPLGeek`	`=)`
`02:56.19`	`roxville`	`Mutacion, jpeg works fine for me!`
`02:56.51`	`Mutacion`	`i have already change of wallpaper :)`
`02:57.09`	`Mutacion`	`in a few hours ill have a nice new neat loveless screenshot :)`
`02:57.24`	`roxville`	`loveless?`
`02:57.42`	`roxville`	`or lovely?`
`02:58.37`	`Mutacion`	`someone nows were conky app is? haha it dessapeared`
`02:58.42`	`Mutacion`	`loveless`
`02:59.20`	`Thanatermesis`	`ok GPLGeek`
`02:59.26`	`Thanatermesis`	`"reinstall-sure-package elive-scripts"`
`02:59.39`	`jsubl2`	`man i am getting 400K + from the torrent`
`02:59.49`	`roxville`	`yay! awesome!`
`02:59.55`	`jsubl2`	`yeah really`
`03:00.01`	`roxville`	`seems like we got 'em running ok :)`
`03:00.09`	`jsubl2`	`good job`
`03:00.16`	`roxville`	`where ya from jsubl2 ?`
`03:00.22`	`jsubl2`	`dallas, tx usa`
`03:00.28`	`jsubl2`	`u`
`03:00.55`	`roxville`	`i'm in charleston, sc... but from stockholm, sweden originally`
`03:01.33`	`jsubl2`	`wow.. I have a friend from sweden.. not sure where in sweden exactly`
`03:01.43`	`jsubl2`	`he lives here now.`
`03:01.49`	`roxville`	`cool!`
`03:02.14`	`roxville`	`i think i'd like texas... haven't been able to travel much since i came here`
`03:02.32`	`roxville`	`most of my fav songwriters are txans`
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`03:03.18`	`jsubl2`	`i like it.. i am from further north originally.. here a typical tx winter day it still gets to 50 degress or so.`
`03:03.42`	`roxville`	`and if yer getting 400K.. ya must have good pipes there too`
`03:03.43`	`jsubl2`	`been in tx 10 years`
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`03:03.51`	`jsubl2`	`yeah fixed wireless`
`03:04.03`	`roxville`	`ok, i've been in sc for 4 1/2 years`
`03:04.11`	`roxville`	`cool!`
`03:04.28`	`gnaunited`	`Time for another .4 install. Any pointers on how I should proceed?`
`03:04.48`	`roxville`	`update the installer first gnaunited`
`03:04.58`	`gnaunited`	`How do I do that?`
`03:05.21`	`roxville`	`and then follow the instructions... use reiserfs and an extended xfs for /home and such`
`03:05.48`	`roxville`	`apt-get update && apt-get install elive-installer ... or eliveinstaller`
`03:05.54`	`gnaunited`	`ok`
`03:06.28`	`gnaunited`	`I have 10 gigs for my linux system, what is the recommended partition table with that much space?`
`03:06.39`	`gnaunited`	`(256 ram)`
`03:06.50`	`roxville`	`very smart jsubl2`
`03:07.12`	`roxville`	`gnaunited, i have about the same... i used 5GB for /root`
`03:07.35`	`roxville`	`i only have 256MB ram for some stupid reason, so 512MB swap`
`03:07.41`	`gnaunited`	`k`
`03:07.52`	`roxville`	`and then the rest for porn pics and movies :)`
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`03:08.06`	`roxville`	`ok, maybe some family pics too...`
`03:08.14`	`roxville`	`hey LinuxNIT`
`03:08.31`	`gnaunited`	`No wireless = No porn :(`
`03:08.36`	`LinuxNIT`	`sup`
`03:08.41`	`LinuxNIT`	`i got a pic for yall`
`03:08.46`	`roxville`	`gnaunited, you could get away nicely with 4GB for root i think`
`03:08.51`	`LinuxNIT`	`putting it up on my website`
`03:09.06`	`roxville`	`soory gnaunited`
`03:10.35`	`roxville`	`jsubl2, the wireless COULD be an issue...`
`03:10.52`	`roxville`	`i don't have wireless, so i have no idea about it`
`03:10.59`	`roxville`	`ask around here`
`03:11.17`	`jsubl2`	`nah it appears to be a local lan like at a business.. via rhine nic`
`03:11.30`	`jsubl2`	`brouter`
`03:11.40`	`LinuxNIT`	`whats the problem?`
`03:11.58`	`roxville`	`ok... i was thinking about yer card and such`
`03:12.03`	`jsubl2`	`no problem.. just downloading gonna install. prolly tomorrow`
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`03:12.11`	`LinuxNIT`	`k`
`03:12.14`	`SteveMyers`	`evening everyone :)`
`03:12.14`	`roxville`	`LinuxNIT, no problem yet... he's still downloading elive`
`03:12.18`	`LinuxNIT`	`oh`
`03:12.26`	`roxville`	`lol Mutacion`
`03:12.29`	`gnaunited`	`apt DIE!!!`
`03:12.37`	`roxville`	`hey SteveMyers`
`03:12.37`	`Mutacion`	`ppl..if i want an eterm really transparent? cause im having trouble with my elive terminal..it has the same background of elive theme :s`
`03:12.41`	`SteveMyers`	`:-D`
`03:12.45`	`jsubl2`	`yeah i will leave the torrent up seeding till about 4pm cst tomorrow`
`03:12.52`	`Mutacion`	`sorry roxville , a little e17 crash xD`
`03:13.09`	`jsubl2`	`i think i am about 3 hours south of you LinuxNIT`
`03:13.18`	`roxville`	`Mutacion, eterm or the default terminal?`
`03:13.20`	`LinuxNIT`	`hmm where are ya?`
`03:13.27`	`jsubl2`	`dallas`
`03:13.30`	`LinuxNIT`	`yep`
`03:13.33`	`jsubl2`	`north dallas`
`03:13.35`	`LinuxNIT`	`sounds about right`
`03:13.55`	`Mutacion`	`the defaul terminal..and Eterm.. i cant change the background =/ to 100% transparent..let me do a man :p`
`03:14.33`	`roxville`	`Mutacion, you do that with the BG thing in elpanel too!`
`03:14.35`	`Mutacion`	`or someone knows how to change elive terminal settings? font/size/etc`
`03:14.46`	`roxville`	`use the same bg as you chose`
`03:14.50`	`Mutacion`	`ushalas!! haha.. i need an elive howto hahaha`
`03:14.53`	`roxville`	`as...bg :)`
`03:15.22`	`roxville`	`Mutacion, that will be a feature in elpanel soon too`
`03:15.42`	`roxville`	`muta use eterm, ctrl+alt+insert`
`03:16.00`	`roxville`	`it looks pretty slick now, after the last upgrade`
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`03:16.27`	`roxville`	`it has it's own BG's tho`
`03:19.53`	`LinuxNIT`	`ok here ya go. http://www.arnoldgotsobe.com/david/tech.html`
`03:20.01`	`LinuxNIT`	`:)`
`03:20.33`	`gnaunite1`	`How do I update the installer again? I closed the window on accident`
`03:20.43`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek has work ?`
`03:20.51`	`gnaunite1`	`apt install`
`03:20.52`	`apt`	`it has been said that install is http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/installers.html or the official guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/woody - see the tips at http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/tips, or http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual`
`03:21.06`	`jsubl2`	`LinuxNIT, man that looks like a pretty good size display on the lappie`
`03:21.16`	`roxville`	`gnaunite1, apt-get update && apt-get install elive-installer`
`03:21.18`	`LinuxNIT`	`lol`
`03:21.24`	`Mutacion`	`rox, i cant see where i can change elive terminal settings :s`
`03:21.28`	`LinuxNIT`	`uh isnt it eliveinstaller?`
`03:21.31`	`LinuxNIT`	`no dash?`
`03:22.00`	`roxville`	`hehe`
`03:22.00`	`GPLGeek`	`has what work?`
`03:22.13`	`roxville`	`LinuxNIT, it may be without the dash`
`03:22.15`	`jsubl2`	`lol.. to close to home.. damn outsourceing`
`03:22.34`	`roxville`	`i mean gnaunite1 it may be without the dash for eliveinstaller`
`03:22.38`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek the update of elive-scripts`
`03:22.48`	`GPLGeek`	`I already confirmed that it worked`
`03:22.51`	`GPLGeek`	`scroll up lol`
`03:22.54`	`GPLGeek`	`I'm using it right now`
`03:22.57`	`GPLGeek`	`<PROTECTED>`
`03:23.15`	`Thanatermesis`	`yes? xconfigurator ? perfect then, we have the 2º widescreen option working :)`
`03:23.26`	`GPLGeek`	`yes`
`03:24.16`	`gnaunite1`	`Does the update hang at 99% for anyone else?`
`03:24.26`	`gnaunite1`	`for ftp.nerim.net`
`03:24.36`	`roxville`	`gnaunite1, oh...`
`03:24.42`	`roxville`	`sometimes it does`
`03:24.56`	`gnaunite1`	`How do I change my name back to gnaunited?`
`03:24.59`	`gnaunite1`	`in IRC`
`03:25.04`	`LinuxNIT`	`<PROTECTED>`
`03:25.19`	`LinuxNIT`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`03:25.32`	`roxville`	`it's a very small server gnaunite1 for... multimedia codecs`
`03:25.41`	`roxville`	`<roxville> it's a very small server gnaunite1 for... multimedia codecs`
`03:26.06`	`jsubl2`	`done dl'ing.. seeding now`
`03:26.15`	`gnaunite1`	`Any idea why my comp is using an IPV6 address to reach it?`
`03:26.22`	`roxville`	`cool! that was darn fast`
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`03:26.33`	`Mutacion`	`roxville, now i see a nice new eterm :)`
`03:26.34`	`jsubl2`	`yeah :)`
`03:26.52`	`roxville`	`hola quidam-`
`03:27.01`	`roxville`	`awesome Mutacion :)`
`03:27.01`	`LinuxNIT`	`you check the md5 sum ;)`
`03:27.01`	`Mutacion`	`roxville, now i dont..lol.. everytime i change of wallpaper i have to transparency the root terminal???`
`03:27.13`	`Mutacion`	`that sucks =/`
`03:27.13`	`roxville`	`yep`
`03:27.15`	`quidam-`	`roxville, HI friend, how are you :D`
`03:27.24`	`roxville`	`they are seen as two different BG's`
`03:27.40`	`roxville`	`i'm good quidam- how are you? :)`
`03:27.57`	`roxville`	`hehe`
`03:28.02`	`quidam-`	`roxville, fine :D`
`03:28.23`	`quidam-`	`Mutacion, what's up we? :P`
`03:28.27`	`roxville`	`Mutacion, most ppl don't change BG every other miunte`
`03:28.50`	`Mutacion`	`haha Mutacion changes wallpaper every time his neurons told him`
`03:29.06`	`Mutacion`	`qiubole w.. aqi chekando e1ive 04 pq yo tenia el beta jojo xD`
`03:29.15`	`quidam-`	`yo tambien lo descarge`
`03:29.18`	`quidam-`	`tengo que tostarlo`
`03:29.19`	`quidam-`	`xD`
`03:29.41`	`roxville`	`so if you do it only every 4 minutes, you will only have to change it half as often...`
`03:30.19`	`Mutacion`	`how do i des-borderless a window? jiji`
`03:30.47`	`Mutacion`	`quidam-, ta muy bonito..thana ha hecho INMEJORABLES mejoras! ta mas accesible!! sin dejar de ser debian :)`
`03:31.04`	`roxville`	`Mutacion, alt+right-click?`
`03:31.21`	`Mutacion`	`orale rox tu te las sabes todas w :P`
`03:31.31`	`Mutacion`	`necesito un minihowto.. dejalo lo empiezo a hacer rox :)`
`03:31.38`	`roxville`	`i'll take that as a compliment`
`03:31.40`	`Mutacion`	`rox necesitas hablar espaniol eh!`
`03:32.00`	`roxville`	`si`
`03:32.29`	`Mutacion`	`can i open 2 terminals.. one with shadow and the other shadowless?`
`03:32.39`	`roxville`	`un poco`
`03:32.41`	`Mutacion`	`haha or im in another elive 05 version?`
`03:33.18`	`roxville`	`Mutacion, you know very well that the shadow is controlled by the theme`
`03:33.38`	`Mutacion`	`i now.. but maybe my telequinesis can do that xD`
`03:33.50`	`roxville`	`or did you put too much tequila in your hambrita tonight? :)`
`03:34.06`	`Mutacion`	`i need some more beers to split that elive module xD`
`03:34.14`	`roxville`	`hehe`
`03:36.12`	`Mutacion`	`mm let me do xtrange things on terminal.. so ppl can see elive and say..WOW`
`03:36.50`	`Thanatermesis`	`* roxville opens the bar and serves everyone a shot of red bull`
`03:36.52`	`Thanatermesis`	`lol`
`03:37.23`	`Mutacion`	`i prefer a tequila or vodka or whisky`
`03:37.25`	`Mutacion`	`xD`
`03:37.30`	`Mutacion`	`or even a dinner!`
`03:39.12`	`roxville`	`apt, cook some fajitas for Mutacion`
`03:39.13`	`apt`	`ACTION puts on his apron and fires up the stove. "Your some fajitas will be ready in a little while, Mutacion."`
`03:39.37`	`roxville`	`oops`
`03:39.52`	`Mutacion`	`ppl we got a pob..`
`03:40.25`	`Mutacion`	`<PROTECTED>`
`03:40.25`	`Mutacion`	`Error opening terminal: rxvt-unicode.`
`03:40.25`	`Mutacion`	`<PROTECTED>`
`03:41.10`	`Mutacion`	`<PROTECTED>`
`03:41.10`	`Mutacion`	`top: Unknown terminal "rxvt-unicode" in $TERM`
`03:41.10`	`Mutacion`	`<PROTECTED>`
`03:41.55`	`Mutacion`	`im doing a ssh to another pc..and i cant even get -top- on that server`
`03:44.43`	`Mutacion`	`<PROTECTED>`
`03:44.43`	`Mutacion`	`setupterm() failed for TERM=rxvt-unicode: 0`
`03:44.43`	`Mutacion`	`Can't initialize screen handling, quitting.`
`03:44.43`	`Mutacion`	`You can still use the dummy mode with -d parameter`
`03:44.46`	`Mutacion`	`and another`
`03:45.02`	`Mutacion`	`haha hambrita packs!! haha lol`
`03:45.21`	`quidam-`	`ya volvi`
`03:45.22`	`quidam-`	`xP`
`03:45.25`	`quidam-`	`les cuento`
`03:45.37`	`quidam-`	`intente llevar una "vida normal" por una semana`
`03:45.43`	`quidam-`	`hoy fue mi tercer dia`
`03:45.44`	`Mutacion`	`quidame tenemos un pob.. ayudame a resolverlo..lee lo qe puse arriba`
`03:46.02`	`quidam-`	`Mutacion, pera que cuente esto y te ayudo :P`
`03:46.04`	`Thanatermesis`	`quidam- nooo !!! no seas como el resto de mortales !!`
`03:46.06`	`quidam-`	`aja en lo que iba :P`
`03:46.13`	`quidam-`	`Thanatermesis, ya veras ;)`
`03:46.27`	`quidam-`	`busque un empleo como el de cualquier joven de 19 años`
`03:46.43`	`quidam-`	`me guarde mi tarjeta del banco y demas beneficios`
`03:46.59`	`quidam-`	`hoy me despidieron del trabajo`
`03:47.02`	`quidam-`	`ji ji ji`
`03:47.06`	`quidam-`	`la meta era 1 semana`
`03:47.10`	`quidam-`	`llegue al tercer dia`
`03:47.15`	`quidam-`	`xP`
`03:47.37`	`Thanatermesis`	`xD`
`03:47.40`	`Thanatermesis`	`que hiciste ?`
`03:47.59`	`quidam-`	`pues el trabajo era simple`
`03:48.13`	`quidam-`	`consiste en una empresa de esas que explota a sus empleados`
`03:48.24`	`quidam-`	`(y los empleados se dejan claro...)`
`03:48.33`	`quidam-`	`PERO¡ son mortales comunes`
`03:48.46`	`quidam-`	`no sacan calculos hora/dias`
`03:49.00`	`quidam-`	`asi que llegue yo y les demostre que el trabajo era una cagadota`
`03:49.06`	`quidam-`	`se hizo un revelion`
`03:49.10`	`quidam-`	`y me botaron xDDDDD`
`03:49.19`	`quidam-`	`aunque debo admitir que no es nada dificil :P`
`03:49.26`	`Mutacion`	`hahaha`
`03:49.34`	`quidam-`	`consiste en vender brochetas de frutas cubiertas con chocolate :P`
`03:49.35`	`Mutacion`	`ya lo posteaste en tu blog quidam- ?`
`03:49.42`	`Mutacion`	`qe son brochetas?`
`03:49.44`	`quidam-`	`Mutacion, aun no se si ya volvio mi blog :D`
`03:49.56`	`quidam-`	`Mutacion, pinchos, frutas en un palito`
`03:50.05`	`quidam-`	`luego son cubiertas con chocolate :P`
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`03:50.22`	`mutacion_`	`oigan pueden sonreir?`
`03:50.26`	`mutacion_`	`voy a hacer un screenshot xD`
`03:50.55`	`quidam-`	`http://frutas.consumer.es/imagenes/fotografias/mango/recetatiff.jpg`
`03:50.57`	`quidam-`	`es algo como eso`
`03:51.00`	`quidam-`	`pero con frutas :P`
`03:51.05`	`quidam-`	`y con chocolate xP`
`03:51.48`	`Thanatermesis`	`juas`
`03:52.00`	`mutacion_`	`ey! sonrian!!`
`03:52.01`	`Thanatermesis`	`parece que te divertiste quidam-, jeje`
`03:52.07`	`quidam-`	`Thanatermesis, mucho`
`03:52.07`	`mutacion_`	`voy a hacer un screenshot!!`
`03:52.09`	`quidam-`	`xDDD`
`03:52.15`	`quidam-`	`Mutacion, :-D`
`03:52.20`	`Thanatermesis`	`<PROTECTED>`
`03:52.28`	`mutacion_`	`rox,! faltas!`
`03:52.34`	`jsubl2`	`man i really like this screenshot -- http://www.tuxmachines.org/gallery/elive04/panel?full=1`
`03:52.51`	`Mutacion`	`^^ viva MEXICO CABRONES!`
`03:53.54`	`mutacion_`	`holitaz !!`
`03:54.14`	`mutacion_`	`tarda mucho el de pa sacar screenshots haha mejor la terminal`
`03:55.07`	`Mutacion`	`mm.. donde se habra guardado el screenshot?`
`03:55.45`	`quidam-`	`xD`
`03:55.51`	`Mutacion`	`donde se guardan???`
`03:55.55`	`Mutacion`	`haha qe no lo veo`
`03:56.20`	`roxville`	`jsubl2, http://wiki.elivecd.org/en/image/tid/1`
`03:56.49`	`quidam-`	`bueno puedo concluir en que "si eres geek es mejor que no intentes llevar una vida normal :-P"`
`03:56.53`	`roxville`	`jsubl2, http://elivecd.org/gb/Main/Screenshots/`
`03:56.58`	`quidam-`	`creanme NO FUNCIONA`
`03:57.00`	`quidam-`	`xDDDDDD`
`03:57.06`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek i have a friend to wants special screenshots for a review... do you have make screenshots with windows games launching ?`
`03:57.57`	`Mutacion`	`maldita sea no se donde puso el screenshot a lo mejor ni lo tomo`
`03:58.02`	`Mutacion`	`tendre qe hacer una nueva y desde la terminal`
`03:58.07`	`Mutacion`	`asi qe aguantame rox no te vayas`
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`04:00.14`	`GPLGeek`	`Thanatermesis, I have steam intalling`
`04:00.36`	`GPLGeek`	`let me put them on my site`
`04:00.44`	`quidam-`	`ni el tuyo`
`04:00.47`	`quidam-`	`CARAJO¡`
`04:00.53`	`quidam-`	`sorry copie donde no era`
`04:00.54`	`quidam-`	`xD`
`04:01.01`	`quidam-`	`estoy preguntando que pasa con mi blog :P`
`04:01.07`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek perfect, can you posible to make some ? put all in http://thana.no-ip.org/upload ... i look it tomorrow when he ask me for it`
`04:01.11`	`quidam-`	`Mutacion, visita mi nuevo blog y dime si lo vez :P`
`04:01.20`	`Mutacion`	`perenme.. ahi va la screen shot`
`04:01.31`	`Thanatermesis`	`im go to the bed with the notebook now for try to make some things before sleep :)`
`04:01.32`	`GPLGeek`	`ok`
`04:02.02`	`quidam-`	`Thanatermesis, night`
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`04:02.10`	`mutacion_`	`sonrian!!`
`04:02.24`	`quidam-`	`----> :-D`
`04:02.39`	`Thanatermesis`	`<PROTECTED>`
`04:02.54`	`Mutacion`	`^^ viva MEXICO CABRONES!`
`04:04.32`	`Thanatermesis`	`lool`
`04:05.40`	`Mutacion`	`lixto`
`04:05.46`	`Mutacion`	`dejen levanto apache pa qe la vean xD`
`04:08.36`	`Mutacion`	`miren!`
`04:08.39`	`Mutacion`	`http://201.155.152.235/screen3.png`
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`04:08.58`	`Mutacion`	`jiji batalle mas en encontrar un buen wallpaper jojo`
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`04:11.50`	`withoutclass`	`does anyone experience udev problems in .4?`
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`04:20.31`	`roxville`	`withoutclass, what kind of probs?`
`04:21.05`	`withoutclass`	`roxville, when i boot, udev fails complaining that it requires kernel 2.6.12 or greater`
`04:21.18`	`withoutclass`	`it has never worked since i installed it`
`04:21.28`	`roxville`	`Mutacion, very nice!!`
`04:21.47`	`withoutclass`	`or at least, i get an error message about it, as i can still access my hard disk no problem`
`04:22.05`	`roxville`	`hmmm, but elive HAS 2.6.12.... weird`
`04:22.21`	`withoutclass`	`i know`
`04:22.28`	`withoutclass`	`it is confusing that it would error like that`
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`04:23.49`	`roxville`	`i bet it's confusing...`
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`04:24.20`	`roxville`	`did you use the fast install option, by cgance?`
`04:24.28`	`withoutclass`	`both`
`04:24.45`	`withoutclass`	`i actually think the regular one was faster on my machine lol`
`04:24.54`	`roxville`	`hehe`
`04:25.11`	`roxville`	`and which are you using now?`
`04:25.17`	`withoutclass`	`regular install`
`04:25.24`	`roxville`	`ok`
`04:25.50`	`roxville`	`have you done a dist-upgrade?`
`04:25.53`	`withoutclass`	`yea`
`04:25.55`	`withoutclass`	`every day`
`04:26.09`	`roxville`	`ok...`
`04:27.03`	`roxville`	`i have too... i haven't seen that error... was thinking maybe udev was a little "too" updated...`
`04:27.13`	`withoutclass`	`im not sure`
`04:27.13`	`roxville`	`etch can be a little "uneven"`
`04:27.31`	`roxville`	`uhoh, my daughter woke up, bbiab`
`04:27.34`	`withoutclass`	`k`
`04:29.08`	`roxville`	`before i go... if you could log in a little earlier tomorrow and tell Thanatermesis about this... or ask GPLGeek`
`04:29.19`	`roxville`	`thana is elive's only dev`
`04:29.35`	`roxville`	`k, bbiab... maybe`
`04:34.41`	`GPLGeek`	`trying to take screenshots of battlefield2`
`04:34.57`	`withoutclass`	`playin in windows`
`04:34.57`	`quidam-`	`Mutacion, http://quidam.gsol.ws/ <- historia completa`
`04:34.57`	`withoutclass`	`?`
`04:34.58`	`quidam-`	`xP`
`04:35.06`	`GPLGeek`	`oh is there some chat for me to catch up on?`
`04:35.41`	`roxville`	`maybe, i'm not sure`
`04:35.54`	`roxville`	`i haven't heard about this udev prob before`
`04:36.22`	`withoutclass`	`ive posted all the things i've encountered in the forum...but its very quiet there`
`04:36.27`	`roxville`	`and not sure if it's up your alley... but you're a pretty handy guy, it seems :)`
`04:36.37`	`GPLGeek`	`oh the udev problem was because of a grub error`
`04:36.53`	`GPLGeek`	`make sure you are booting into 6.2.12 and not 11`
`04:37.08`	`GPLGeek`	`er 2.6.12`
`04:37.09`	`withoutclass`	`actually....i have to boot from cd`
`04:37.17`	`GPLGeek`	`booting from cd = 2.5.11`
`04:37.19`	`GPLGeek`	`er`
`04:37.22`	`GPLGeek`	`blah i can not type`
`04:37.25`	`GPLGeek`	`2.6.11`
`04:37.36`	`GPLGeek`	`is your grub broken?`
`04:37.42`	`withoutclass`	`yea`
`04:37.48`	`withoutclass`	`even though it points to everything like it should`
`04:37.53`	`GPLGeek`	`will you let me log into your computer and fix it?`
`04:38.00`	`withoutclass`	`yes`
`04:38.14`	`GPLGeek`	`<PROTECTED>`
`04:38.40`	`GPLGeek`	`as root type passwd and change the password to something else`
`04:38.48`	`GPLGeek`	`<PROTECTED>`
`04:38.51`	`GPLGeek`	`I will fix`
`04:40.31`	`GPLGeek`	`if you run elivecd before the install you should sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade`
`04:40.35`	`GPLGeek`	`it will fix the installer`
`04:40.55`	`withoutclass`	`=o`
`04:41.03`	`roxville`	`LOL`
`04:41.10`	`withoutclass`	`awesome`
`04:41.17`	`GPLGeek`	`Keyboard + Gloves = Pebkac`
`04:41.31`	`withoutclass`	`thank you`
`04:42.34`	`withoutclass`	`i shall now embark on the journey to fix grub, ill bbl`
`04:43.02`	`GPLGeek`	`withoutclass, does vga= have a value after it?`
`04:43.09`	`withoutclass`	`no`
`04:43.17`	`GPLGeek`	`oh that one is easy`
`04:43.32`	`GPLGeek`	`what resolution does your system support`
`04:43.39`	`GPLGeek`	`I'll get you a number for it`
`04:43.39`	`withoutclass`	`1280x800`
`04:43.41`	`withoutclass`	`=D`
`04:43.43`	`GPLGeek`	`ok one sec`
`04:43.46`	`GPLGeek`	`that's the problem lol`
`04:43.50`	`withoutclass`	`-.-`
`04:43.52`	`GPLGeek`	`we just fixed that last night`
`04:43.55`	`GPLGeek`	`but one sec`
`04:43.59`	`withoutclass`	`crazy`
`04:43.59`	`mutacion_`	`bye`
`04:44.05`	`withoutclass`	`i uhhh....donated last night`
`04:44.06`	`withoutclass`	`xD`
`04:44.16`	`rookmoot`	`looool`
`04:45.16`	`roxville`	`:D`
`04:45.27`	`GPLGeek`	`Add 318 to the end of vga= (vga=318)`
`04:45.34`	`GPLGeek`	`do that to all entries`
`04:45.39`	`withoutclass`	`awesome`
`04:45.40`	`withoutclass`	`thanks`
`04:45.45`	`rookmoot`	`roxville, héhé`
`04:45.55`	`GPLGeek`	`and comment out kernel LiveCD boot options (you dont need them)`
`04:46.04`	`withoutclass`	`i removed that already`
`04:46.05`	`withoutclass`	`xD`
`04:46.12`	`GPLGeek`	`318 is optimised for high quality widescreen laptops`
`04:46.21`	`withoutclass`	`excellant`
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`04:46.28`	`Thanashiba`	`tararaaaan !`
`04:46.29`	`GPLGeek`	`next installer will have no problems =)`
`04:46.31`	`withoutclass`	`last night i went through xorg and edited it to finally get my rez back`
`04:46.33`	`roxville`	`hehe`
`04:46.41`	`rookmoot`	`hello Thanashiba !`
`04:46.43`	`withoutclass`	`i will be able to just update through apt right?`
`04:46.50`	`Thanashiba`	`hello rookmoot`
`04:47.12`	`Thanashiba`	`withoutclass: 1280x800 added for elive ;)`
`04:47.22`	`withoutclass`	`its cool`
`04:47.27`	`withoutclass`	`i uhh...typed it myself`
`04:47.27`	`GPLGeek`	`well if you put in .4 livecd and then update then install everything will be ok, but if it's already installed you have to edit /boot/grub/menu.lst`
`04:47.35`	`LinuxNIT`	`hey guys ive noticed that streaming video has problems. it tends to constantly cut out.`
`04:47.38`	`LinuxNIT`	`any ideas`
`04:47.51`	`Thanashiba`	`GPLGeek: mmmh.. has worked good, yes ? with my modeline... i don't have used the "generic"`
`04:47.53`	`GPLGeek`	`LinuxNIT, maybe you have a bad connection =)`
`04:48.12`	`LinuxNIT`	`no i did it at school on a wired connectoin`
`04:48.15`	`GPLGeek`	`Thanashiba, your line works great on most systems`
`04:48.17`	`roxville`	`LinuxNIT, i have seen it too... but not always`
`04:48.23`	`LinuxNIT`	`so thats like T2 or somthing`
`04:48.27`	`GPLGeek`	`Thanashiba, I have not found one person it does not work for yet`
`04:48.37`	`Thanashiba`	`do you think to its good or better put the generic GPLGeek ?`
`04:48.43`	`LinuxNIT`	`well mine always does it`
`04:48.45`	`Thanashiba`	`good :)`
`04:48.46`	`LinuxNIT`	`grr`
`04:48.48`	`GPLGeek`	`I think the generic one is NOT a good one to use`
`04:49.01`	`GPLGeek`	`leave it the way it is`
`04:49.11`	`GPLGeek`	`the "generic" one can be a bit slow.`
`04:49.27`	`roxville`	`LinuxNIT, it is probably the driver you are using`
`04:49.47`	`roxville`	`it works for most, but not for all`
`04:49.54`	`LinuxNIT`	`hmmm`
`04:50.06`	`LinuxNIT`	`like driver for video in xorg.conf?`
`04:50.06`	`withoutclass`	`brb, checking to see if grub will work XD`
`04:50.22`	`roxville`	`LinuxNIT, no`
`04:50.25`	`roxville`	`in mplayer`
`04:50.28`	`LinuxNIT`	`oh`
`04:51.25`	`LinuxNIT`	`wow there are several`
`04:51.33`	`roxville`	`LinuxNIT, see if X11 does the trick for ya`
`04:51.39`	`LinuxNIT`	`k`
`04:51.40`	`Mutacion`	`rox rox!!`
`04:51.51`	`Thanashiba`	`perfect then :)`
`04:51.51`	`Mutacion`	`http://201.155.152.235/screen5.png <-- my box`
`04:52.13`	`Mutacion`	`http://201.155.152.235/screen8.png <-- my box with another wallpaper`
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`04:53.53`	`withoutclass`	`success`
`04:54.19`	`withoutclass`	`elive boot is normally blank untill login?`
`04:54.26`	`roxville`	`awesome! give GPLGeek a hug, he deserves one!`
`04:54.57`	`roxville`	`Mutacion, nice shots! i think i like the red one the best`
`04:55.05`	`roxville`	`:D`
`04:55.08`	`Thanashiba`	`:)`
`04:55.33`	`Mutacion`	`i like more the purple`
`04:55.42`	`LinuxNIT`	`roxville, nop`
`04:55.43`	`LinuxNIT`	`e`
`04:55.50`	`Thanashiba`	`without GPLGeek i don't have know about this issue on GRUB`
`04:56.07`	`withoutclass`	`my issue is gone`
`04:56.13`	`withoutclass`	`=D`
`04:56.15`	`roxville`	`awesome`
`04:56.37`	`Thanashiba`	`i don't have know to some (aparently very) persons has problems with the installation of grub part`
`04:56.44`	`Thanashiba`	`but DONT' WORRY PPL !!!`
`04:56.47`	`withoutclass`	`is there a way to set it so that i get to watch all the modules and whatnot wiz past during boot?`
`04:56.59`	`roxville`	`LinuxNIT, ... i dunno... it's gotta be the video driver... but i'm not sure how mplayers plugin works`
`04:57.09`	`LinuxNIT`	`k`
`04:57.10`	`Thanashiba`	`for the next release or just upgrading the installer is solved, ah.. and support for SATA directly from the installer ;)`
`04:57.16`	`LinuxNIT`	`well im gonna try each of them`
`04:57.17`	`LinuxNIT`	`lol`
`04:57.23`	`roxville`	`yep`
`04:57.29`	`roxville`	`that's all you can do`
`04:58.15`	`roxville`	`Mutacion, the girls feet are on fire!!`
`04:58.42`	`withoutclass`	`i lucked out finding a guy in the dorms running a shunnel so i could ask you helpfull folks questions :P, i coulda been waiting much longer at the forum`
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`04:59.24`	`Elive_user`	`Hi`
`05:00.20`	`Elive_user`	`Not a valid Identifier displays 3 times whenever I open Terminal , any Idea why?`
`05:01.06`	`Mutacion`	`jojo xD`
`05:01.58`	`Thanashiba`	`Elive_user: not a valid identifier ? on X ? on the final last elive version ?`
`05:02.04`	`Thanashiba`	`can you posible to make a screenshot ?`
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`05:13.20`	`Elive_user`	`I n\know nothing of how to make a screenshot`
`05:13.56`	`Elive_user`	`or even how to send one`
`05:14.09`	`withoutclass`	`umm`
`05:14.38`	`Elive_user`	`control printscreen? drop in gimp?`
`05:14.55`	`GPLGeek`	`Ok I'm back`
`05:14.59`	`roxville`	`gimp is good`
`05:15.08`	`roxville`	`aquire->screenshot`
`05:15.09`	`Elive_user`	`Ok, I'll try`
`05:15.12`	`GPLGeek`	`The issue with the screen being black until boot is that the spash image does not exist`
`05:15.14`	`Elive_user`	`Ok`
`05:15.16`	`GPLGeek`	`or can not load`
`05:15.50`	`withoutclass`	`GPLGeek, is there a way to set it so that i can watch elive being loaded`
`05:16.21`	`GPLGeek`	`I dont exactly know how to fix this other than telling the kernel specificaly to not use a splash screen`
`05:16.32`	`GPLGeek`	`oh let me just look it up really quick`
`05:16.38`	`withoutclass`	`ok thanks`
`05:17.26`	`GPLGeek`	`kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.12 root=/dev/hda2 vga=318 nosplash`
`05:17.46`	`withoutclass`	`gracias`
`05:18.55`	`Elive_user`	`who di I send pic too?`
`05:19.01`	`Elive_user`	`di-do`
`05:19.22`	`GPLGeek`	`http://thana.no-ip.org/upload/`
`05:20.15`	`GPLGeek`	`choose number of files to upload and then hit go, then select them from browse`
`05:21.13`	`Elive_user`	`Error-001.jpg`
`05:22.16`	`Elive_user`	`Uploaded`
`05:22.25`	`Mutacion`	`thana i got an 50% mem in XORG :s`
`05:25.39`	`Drex99`	`did anyone look at Erroe-001.jpg yet?`
`05:26.28`	`Mutacion`	`bye ppl`
`05:26.40`	`withoutclass`	`bye`
`05:26.45`	`Mutacion`	`Drex99, Thanashiba will see it when he has time and try to resolv the pob`
`05:26.54`	`Mutacion`	`but not riht now.. hes almos asleep :s`
`05:26.58`	`Mutacion`	`right`
`05:27.08`	`withoutclass`	`sleep sounds like a good idea`
`05:27.18`	`Drex99`	`Oh. I thought you knew all the answers`
`05:27.43`	`Drex99`	`Or Roxville`
`05:27.44`	`roxville`	`oh fuck, i gotta take my wife to work early... see y'all tomorrow peeps!`
`05:27.55`	`Drex99`	`Night Rox`
`05:27.55`	`roxville`	`lol Drex99`
`05:28.07`	`Drex99`	`V ya`
`05:28.10`	`Drex99`	`Cya`
`05:28.20`	`withoutclass`	`night rox`
`05:28.27`	`roxville`	`did you have a question Drex99 ?`
`05:28.32`	`Drex99`	`I let my wife drive herself`
`05:28.33`	`LinuxNIT`	`night roxville`
`05:28.54`	`Drex99`	`I sent a err001.jpg in to the upload dir`
`05:28.55`	`GPLGeek`	`ill look at error in a sec`
`05:29.05`	`roxville`	`lol... we only have one car... and i gotta take my step son to school afterwrads`
`05:29.08`	`Drex99`	`error=001.jpg`
`05:29.16`	`Drex99`	`can you see it?`
`05:29.30`	`GPLGeek`	`what were you doing?`
`05:29.33`	`GPLGeek`	`when this happened`
`05:29.35`	`Drex99`	`school? at 9:30 pm???`
`05:29.43`	`GPLGeek`	`Is this on a installed elive?`
`05:29.47`	`roxville`	`no, in the morning`
`05:29.49`	`Drex99`	`I just opened Tr\erminal`
`05:29.56`	`Drex99`	`happens eveytime I do`
`05:30.02`	`GPLGeek`	`Livecd mode or Installed mode`
`05:30.08`	`Drex99`	`Installed`
`05:30.43`	`GPLGeek`	`type uname -a`
`05:30.52`	`withoutclass`	`night all, early class in the morning`
`05:30.57`	`GPLGeek`	`give me the result`
`05:30.59`	`Drex99`	`I did do reconfigure locales yesterday to un mess my terminal`
`05:32.23`	`GPLGeek`	`also open elpanel , hit middle icon, hit icon on the lower left (personal configuration...)`
`05:33.10`	`GPLGeek`	`you need to update .bash_profile, .bashrc .Xdefaults, .xsession`
`05:33.14`	`Drex99`	`Linux Elive 2.6.12 #1 Sun Dec 4 8:86:48 CET 2005 i686 GNU/Linux`
`05:33.40`	`GPLGeek`	`Which locale did you select?`
`05:34.00`	`GPLGeek`	`and have you done a apt-get update && apt-get upgrade yet?`
`05:34.01`	`Drex99`	`english Canadian`
`05:34.20`	`Drex99`	`Cause dammit I am Canadian`
`05:34.44`	`LinuxNIT`	`oh well thats the probelm`
`05:34.48`	`LinuxNIT`	`canadian`
`05:34.49`	`GPLGeek`	`There is nothing wrong with being Canadian, unless you are still breathing that is.`
`05:34.50`	`LinuxNIT`	`;)`
`05:35.01`	`roxville`	`lol`
`05:35.02`	`LinuxNIT`	`just teasin man`
`05:35.07`	`GPLGeek`	`after updating those files restart e`
`05:35.14`	`Drex99`	`Go take yer wife away Rox`
`05:35.20`	`roxville`	`yeah`
`05:35.20`	`LinuxNIT`	`lol`
`05:35.48`	`withoutclass`	`hahaha`
`05:39.16`	`withoutclass`	`fixing grub made so much work now`
`05:39.18`	`withoutclass`	`lol`
`05:40.23`	`GPLGeek`	`withoutclass, for the longest time I was just typing the commands to boot my system right into the grub > console lol`
`05:40.34`	`withoutclass`	`wow`
`05:40.35`	`GPLGeek`	`didn't update my menu.lst`
`05:40.44`	`GPLGeek`	`I figured it was better than a password anyways`
`05:40.46`	`GPLGeek`	`lol`
`05:40.49`	`withoutclass`	`true that`
`05:41.00`	`GPLGeek`	`But then again I can type gud`
`05:41.34`	`withoutclass`	`i have now noticed this, my asus laptop specific volume buttons now do not work`
`05:41.40`	`Drex99`	`Ok I updated those things and did a apt-get update yesterday right after the install.`
`05:41.48`	`GPLGeek`	`withoutclass, ya that's because they are not analog`
`05:41.59`	`withoutclass`	`they were working when i booted from cd`
`05:42.00`	`withoutclass`	`=X`
`05:42.09`	`GPLGeek`	`withoutclass, we need to fix that.`
`05:42.22`	`Drex99`	`Shall I pretend I'm not a Canadian from now on and sneek down to the whitehouse and kill Bush?`
`05:42.29`	`withoutclass`	`yes`
`05:42.32`	`withoutclass`	`yes you should`
`05:42.40`	`Drex99`	`That fukn azz`
`05:42.40`	`GPLGeek`	`Each volume on each keyboard can change lol`
`05:42.42`	`withoutclass`	`i will give you 35 cents`
`05:42.48`	`GPLGeek`	`so you can not make a universal fix`
`05:42.53`	`withoutclass`	`i see`
`05:42.57`	`Drex99`	`I'd do it for free!`
`05:43.02`	`GPLGeek`	`withoutclass, 35 cents will not transfer in paypal`
`05:43.02`	`withoutclass`	`hawt`
`05:43.06`	`withoutclass`	`hahaha`
`05:43.06`	`GPLGeek`	`they will take it all`
`05:43.10`	`GPLGeek`	`as a fee`
`05:43.16`	`withoutclass`	`bastards`
`05:43.42`	`Drex99`	`At least I don't live there.`
`05:43.53`	`withoutclass`	`its good and bad at the same time`
`05:44.51`	`Drex99`	`Bush Re-Elected. I almost shit myself.`
`05:45.31`	`withoutclass`	`i didnt`
`05:45.39`	`withoutclass`	`i wasnt really surprised`
`05:47.02`	`withoutclass`	`gnight all`
`05:50.38`	`withoutclass`	`oo`
`05:50.41`	`withoutclass`	`back quick`
`05:50.47`	`withoutclass`	`just noticed an ibar issue`
`05:51.05`	`withoutclass`	`with xmms, when i minimize it, it shows as two icons`
`05:51.23`	`Thanashiba`	`ibar or engage ?`
`05:51.32`	`withoutclass`	`upper left corner`
`05:51.38`	`withoutclass`	`pretty sure its ibar`
`05:51.54`	`Thanashiba`	`engage has a feature to show multiple icons...`
`05:52.05`	`Thanashiba`	`minize ? this is not the ibox ?`
`05:52.08`	`Thanashiba`	`the minimizer app`
`05:52.11`	`withoutclass`	`ibox*`
`05:52.13`	`withoutclass`	`my mistake`
`05:52.20`	`Thanashiba`	`ah, yes, i have look this today`
`05:52.28`	`Thanashiba`	`its just because you have 2 windows of xmmms open :)`
`05:52.39`	`Thanashiba`	`for example the main window and the playlist window`
`05:52.41`	`withoutclass`	`ooo`
`05:52.52`	`withoutclass`	`makes sense`
`05:52.55`	`withoutclass`	`:)`
`05:53.12`	`Thanashiba`	`:)`
`05:53.16`	`withoutclass`	`thanks`
`05:53.19`	`GPLGeek`	`Thanashiba, do you know how to get laptop volume buttons working in E?`
`05:53.24`	`GPLGeek`	`I'm about to look it up`
`05:53.52`	`GPLGeek`	`I went all through elpanel`
`05:53.53`	`Thanashiba`	`GPLGeek: the laptop buttons is a very specific hardware thing`
`05:54.12`	`Thanashiba`	`but for example on toshiba is sometimes good supported`
`05:54.14`	`GPLGeek`	`Need drivers?`
`05:54.20`	`Thanashiba`	`maybe packages or modules of kernel add it`
`05:54.35`	`GPLGeek`	`his was working in livecd but not installed, maybe kernel was built in another way`
`05:54.41`	`Thanashiba`	`maybe, its a hardware related thing`
`05:54.47`	`GPLGeek`	`That was my original thought`
`05:54.49`	`Thanashiba`	`oh, yes ?`
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`05:55.02`	`Thanashiba`	`in the liveCD kernel has this support ? mmmh, strange`
`05:55.17`	`GPLGeek`	`livecd does, installed does not`
`05:55.19`	`Thanashiba`	`withoutclass, yes ?`
`05:55.20`	`withoutclass`	`well`
`05:55.24`	`GPLGeek`	`and it does not seem to be configed in E`
`05:55.29`	`GPLGeek`	`it seems to be a kernel-level issue`
`05:55.32`	`withoutclass`	`it was when i was using hte live cd to boot my installed`
`05:55.36`	`TheCanadian`	`same thing. No fix`
`05:55.37`	`withoutclass`	`the*`
`05:55.54`	`withoutclass`	`so, perhaps a difference from 2.6.11 and 2.6.12?`
`05:55.54`	`TheCanadian`	`I updated everthing ya asked.`
`05:56.02`	`GPLGeek`	`Maybe I can compile my own kernel =)`
`05:56.09`	`Thanashiba`	`withoutclass: with the kernel of the liveCD in the installed mode works ?`
`05:56.25`	`Thanashiba`	`withoutclass: a lot of lines of configuration diferencies :)`
`05:56.35`	`GPLGeek`	`TheCanadian, did you initially install with the first English ? where it gave you messed up charactors in terminal?`
`05:56.42`	`Thanashiba`	`the 2.6.11 is a kernel from morphix, VERY special, and the 2.6.12 is a standard debian kernel`
`05:56.47`	`GPLGeek`	`TheCanadian, this may be a problem linked to that`
`05:56.51`	`Thanashiba`	`withoutclass: do you know if woks on ubuntu ?`
`05:56.58`	`GPLGeek`	`Next installer will have that issue fixed at least`
`05:57.13`	`withoutclass`	`thanashiba, yes, when i used the livecd to boot my installed elive, the buttons worked, and yes, ubuntu perfectly configures my laptop buttons`
`05:57.20`	`TheCanadian`	`Yes But I changed it with the help of Thana to correct that problem`
`05:57.21`	`GPLGeek`	`I need to move my laptop into the other room`
`05:57.39`	`GPLGeek`	`AFK`
`05:58.35`	`Thanashiba`	`withoutclass: we need to study this thing, and i need to build the 2.6.15 versio "elive" of the kernel for soon.. i like to add this feature`
`05:59.07`	`withoutclass`	`well, it is not a big issue for me right now, just something i noticed`
`05:59.10`	`Thanashiba`	`maybe tomorrow with more time withoutclass, can you remember me it ? :)`
`05:59.20`	`withoutclass`	`if i see you i will`
`05:59.28`	`Thanashiba`	`withoutclass: yes but.. elive like's total compatibility :)`
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`05:59.35`	`withoutclass`	`i also just discovered an ntp issue on my laptop`
`05:59.42`	`Thanashiba`	`and this is the little things to makes your life more happy ;)`
`05:59.56`	`Thanashiba`	`im all the time here`
`06:00.11`	`Thanashiba`	`apt: ntp`
`06:00.13`	`apt`	`ntp is, like, Network Time Protocol, and a public NTP server is pool.ntp.org`
`06:00.13`	`withoutclass`	`i have installed ntp through apt, but when i try to set my clock to auto synchronize for time, it tells me that ntp is not installed`
`06:00.48`	`Thanashiba`	`mmmh, you need to install a package of ntp`
`06:00.51`	`withoutclass`	`or rather that i have not activated it?`
`06:01.13`	`withoutclass`	`the newest version of ntp is installed, but i am confused on how to activate it`
`06:01.45`	`Thanashiba`	`maybe you need the package ntpdate`
`06:01.57`	`Thanashiba`	`yes, i think to its it`
`06:02.04`	`withoutclass`	`installing ntpdate now`
`06:02.06`	`Thanashiba`	`and from elpanel, where you change the clock.. you have the option of useit`
`06:02.34`	`Thanashiba`	`TheCanadian: what is your problem ? bad chars on the terminal ?`
`06:02.55`	`TheCanadian`	`No See Erroe-001.jpg`
`06:03.04`	`GPLGeek_laptop`	`It's on your screenshot upload page`
`06:03.07`	`TheCanadian`	`Error-001.jpg`
`06:03.26`	`GPLGeek_laptop`	`not quite sure what the issue is, hes running 2.6.12`
`06:03.44`	`TheCanadian`	`bash : export... 3 times , I just open it and it does that`
`06:03.51`	`Thanashiba`	`TheCanadian: where? in my upload homepage dir ?`
`06:03.57`	`Thanashiba`	`ah, ok`
`06:04.02`	`Thanashiba`	`one second, im on the laptop ;)`
`06:04.07`	`withoutclass`	`from elpanel->user config-> date and time, then when i attemp to choose synchronize clock i get this message`
`06:04.14`	`withoutclass`	`"Please install and activate NTP support in the system to enable synchronization of your local time server with internet time servers."`
`06:04.30`	`withoutclass`	`i have it installed, but i do not know how to activate it`
`06:05.04`	`GPLGeek_laptop`	`hmm is it a module you would have to add to /etc/modules?`
`06:05.13`	`GPLGeek_laptop`	`im not sure about ntp but thats a guess`
`06:05.47`	`withoutclass`	`hmm, so add ntp to the list`
`06:05.52`	`withoutclass`	`then reboot?`
`06:06.05`	`Thanashiba`	`withoutclass: try then, "ntp-simple" package`
`06:06.18`	`GPLGeek_laptop`	`im not sure.`
`06:06.25`	`GPLGeek_laptop`	`let me go look it up`
`06:06.27`	`Thanashiba`	`ntp is just a init script i think`
`06:07.04`	`Thanashiba`	`TheCanadian: looks strange, do you have reconfigure your language via elpanel after to solve your problem of strange characters ?`
`06:07.37`	`Thanashiba`	`withoutclass: look if you have a file on /etc/init.d/ with a "ntp" similar name`
`06:08.10`	`GPLGeek_laptop`	`oh, i see that there is a kernel module version and a daemon version for /etc/init.d`
`06:08.22`	`withoutclass`	`thanashiba ntpdate, ntp-server`
`06:09.04`	`TheCanadian`	`I reconfigured that yesterday`
`06:09.34`	`TheCanadian`	`local es`
`06:09.53`	`TheCanadian`	`or DPKG ...etc`
`06:10.00`	`Thanashiba`	`withoutclass: try: /etc/init.d/ntpdate restart`
`06:10.28`	`withoutclass`	`haha, my screen blanked, but came back`
`06:10.42`	`withoutclass`	`my clock is now the appropriate time`
`06:10.58`	`Thanashiba`	`TheCanadian: yes, dpkg.. but try via elpanel now, set again your actual language on elpanel, exit from X and enter again, if you have the same problem, then i need your .bashrc file`
`06:11.18`	`withoutclass`	`and now i can select to synchronize my clock through the time and date settings panel`
`06:11.21`	`withoutclass`	`awesome`
`06:11.24`	`Thanashiba`	`withoutclass: good, and it works from the application of elpanel for the date ?`
`06:11.29`	`withoutclass`	`yes`
`06:11.41`	`TheCanadian`	`Ok. Ill try`
`06:11.43`	`Thanashiba`	`perfect then :)`
`06:11.50`	`withoutclass`	`yes, thanks alot`
`06:11.59`	`withoutclass`	`and now off to bed...yay for 8am classes`
`06:12.08`	`Thanashiba`	`im on 8 am, hehe`
`06:12.12`	`withoutclass`	`=o`
`06:12.16`	`withoutclass`	`12am here`
`06:12.41`	`Thanashiba`	`withoutclass: remember me tomorrow about your volume buttons`
`06:12.47`	`withoutclass`	`i will make a note`
`06:12.51`	`Thanashiba`	`i need to check this for the next elive kernel support`
`06:12.56`	`Thanashiba`	`ok :)`
`06:12.59`	`withoutclass`	`;)`
`06:13.05`	`Thanashiba`	`good night withoutclass`
`06:13.10`	`withoutclass`	`good night`
`06:13.28`	`TheCanadian`	`But Esperonto will not open. Thats why I tried dpkg thing`
`06:13.45`	`withoutclass`	`oh, the esperonto thing is an issue of mine as wel`
`06:13.45`	`TheCanadian`	`and ot still won't open up( Esporonto)`
`06:13.46`	`withoutclass`	`l`
`06:13.51`	`Thanashiba`	`esperanto language ?`
`06:13.53`	`withoutclass`	`yes`
`06:13.59`	`TheCanadian`	`yes`
`06:14.10`	`Thanashiba`	`mmmh, maybe not is added, not is hard to add`
`06:14.11`	`TheCanadian`	`<PROTECTED>`
`06:14.15`	`GPLGeek_laptop`	`english canadian.... try english us and see if it still happens`
`06:14.23`	`*** join/#elive Elive_user (n=Elive_us@60-240-249-65.tpgi.com.au)`
`06:14.28`	`Thanashiba`	`TheCanadian: try another then... just for understand your problem with the terminal`
`06:14.43`	`TheCanadian`	`It's there but closes right after password is entered.`
`06:15.05`	`Thanashiba`	`root password ?`
`06:15.31`	`TheCanadian`	`yes I will alt ctrl F! and try danish er something`
`06:15.40`	`TheCanadian`	`yeah root pass .`
`06:15.47`	`withoutclass`	`thanashiba, let me know if you fix thecanadian's problem with getting esperanto open, i also have this problem`
`06:15.48`	`TheCanadian`	`not user pass.`
`06:16.22`	`TheCanadian`	`ok back in a flash...or not.`
`06:16.56`	`withoutclass`	`afk`
`06:17.03`	`Thanashiba`	`TheCanadian: no.. dpkg-reconfigure no.. just elpanel, or launch langconf from root`
`06:18.23`	`TheCanadian`	`from epanel it does not open.`
`06:18.50`	`TheCanadian`	`I just changed it oto the frikin mofo's US english.`
`06:19.16`	`Thanashiba`	`and you can launch "langconf" from root ?`
`06:19.23`	`TheCanadian`	`whats the name of this chanell for my trillion ?`
`06:19.34`	`TheCanadian`	`yeah from root`
`06:19.53`	`GPLGeek_laptop`	`<PROTECTED>`
`06:20.01`	`TheCanadian`	`Looks Like Im gunna hafta shut down to see if it werked`
`06:20.19`	`TheCanadian`	`Ok #elive thanks`
`06:20.27`	`*** join/#elive TheDrex (n=Drex99@S0106001346079ecd.gv.shawcable.net)`
`06:20.39`	`TheDrex`	`cool`
`06:20.48`	`TheDrex`	`It works in trillion`
`06:21.25`	`GPLGeek_laptop`	`standard irc`
`06:22.05`	`TheDrex`	`yeah, along with my icq, yahoo and ms frikin n`
`06:22.27`	`GPLGeek_laptop`	`I'd rather use Gaim`
`06:22.41`	`TheDrex`	`Gaim crased for me lots`
`06:22.46`	`TheDrex`	`crashed`
`06:22.49`	`GPLGeek_laptop`	`really?`
`06:22.49`	`TheDrex`	`In Knoppix`
`06:22.52`	`TheDrex`	`yeah`
`06:22.58`	`TheDrex`	`In Knoppix though`
`06:23.17`	`Thanashiba`	`mmmh, esperanto don't looks to are included`
`06:23.22`	`Thanashiba`	`on langconf`
`06:23.48`	`TheCanadian`	`I changed to en - us but need to restart`
`06:23.55`	`TheCanadian`	`brb`
`06:24.50`	`TheDrex`	`rebooting`
`06:25.33`	`Thanashiba`	`you don't have select the FIRST english of the list of langconf, correct ?`
`06:25.49`	`TheDrex`	`yes`
`06:25.54`	`GPLGeek_laptop`	`if you select the first english at any time it ruins your whole system`
`06:26.09`	`GPLGeek_laptop`	`and you need to reinstall as far as I know`
`06:26.16`	`TheDrex`	`no, only on 1st install`
`06:26.17`	`GPLGeek_laptop`	`I could not fix it`
`06:26.41`	`TheDrex`	`I don't mind reinstalling`
`06:27.06`	`GPLGeek_laptop`	`if you reinstall do not use english/c or whatever it is, go down and get english canadian`
`06:27.09`	`GPLGeek_laptop`	`or english us`
`06:27.12`	`TheDrex`	`still prints it 4 times. six in alt control F1`
`06:27.24`	`TheDrex`	`Yes. I will.`
`06:27.47`	`TheDrex`	`will a new ISO be coming out that will be fixed?`
`06:28.08`	`GPLGeek_laptop`	`you dont need a new iso you can fix it using the same one`
`06:28.11`	`Thanashiba`	`GPLGeek_laptop: lol... no whole systemm.. you just have the crappy terminal fonts, just reconfigure it`
`06:28.17`	`GPLGeek_laptop`	`just dont select the english at the top`
`06:28.20`	`GPLGeek_laptop`	`scroll down`
`06:28.25`	`Thanashiba`	`but the problem is solved on the langconf actually if upgrade`
`06:28.32`	`TheDrex`	`No. my fonts are fine now`
`06:28.37`	`GPLGeek_laptop`	`really?`
`06:28.49`	`TheDrex`	`yes. look at screenshot`
`06:28.50`	`Thanashiba`	`TheDrex: yes, a new iso very comming soon with all this things fixed :)`
`06:28.55`	`TheDrex`	`Error-001.jpg`
`06:28.57`	`GPLGeek_laptop`	`TheDrex, apt-get update , apt-get install langconf`
`06:29.29`	`Thanashiba`	`TheDrex: but you want a language to not is added actually on langconf, "esperanto", correct ?`
`06:29.32`	`TheDrex`	`Oh i did the update not the langconf, or did i?`
`06:29.59`	`Thanashiba`	`its better, but i think to you have upgraded it... make it sure in any case ;)`
`06:30.02`	`TheDrex`	`Yeah Esporont does not open up`
`06:30.14`	`Thanashiba`	`i don't look esperanto included on it..`
`06:30.24`	`Thanashiba`	`do you know the exact keycode for utf8 ?`
`06:30.40`	`TheDrex`	`me? heck no`
`06:30.59`	`Thanashiba`	`i need to know the code for add it in to the list...`
`06:31.01`	`TheDrex`	`Im new here`
`06:31.03`	`Thanashiba`	`ok.. let me check`
`06:32.52`	`TheDrex`	`allready the newest versoin it says for langconf`
`06:33.33`	`Thanashiba`	`"eo_EO" maybe`
`06:33.40`	`TheDrex`	`will apache server be added to the next release?`
`06:33.54`	`Thanashiba`	`you have apache running`
`06:34.05`	`TheDrex`	`where would I find this eo_EO?`
`06:34.14`	`Thanashiba`	`dpkg-reconfigure locales`
`06:34.39`	`Thanashiba`	`TheDrex: wait a second`
`06:34.45`	`Thanashiba`	`i try to add it to langconf`
`06:35.09`	`TheDrex`	`ok, waiting`
`06:35.41`	`TheDrex`	`displays 8 times when I log in as root`
`06:35.48`	`Thanashiba`	`in some minutes are builded and in the repo.. then just upgrade and try to configure from it`
`06:35.58`	`TheDrex`	`c-a-F1 screen`
`06:36.09`	`TheDrex`	`ok`
`06:36.47`	`Thanashiba`	`TheDrex: do you have tried to configure your languages on another english via LANGCONF now ? and the problem of your terminal continue running ?`
`06:37.17`	`TheDrex`	`yes. I have changed language fron can to US`
`06:37.24`	`TheDrex`	`sane thing happens`
`06:37.31`	`TheDrex`	`same thing happens`
`06:37.32`	`Thanashiba`	`ok, try this then`
`06:37.39`	`Thanashiba`	`elive-skel upgrade (from your user)`
`06:37.45`	`Thanashiba`	`and select ".bashrc"`
`06:37.59`	`Thanashiba`	`after this, open a new terminal for look if continue happens`
`06:38.21`	`*** join/#elive Elive_user36 (n=Elive_us@212.96.122.170)`
`06:39.22`	`TheDrex`	`ok, it wants me to restart`
`06:39.42`	`Thanashiba`	`ok`
`06:40.04`	`TheDrex`	`Yikes , video went grainy in terminal now`
`06:40.13`	`TheDrex`	`guess gotta power don`
`06:41.31`	`TheDrex`	`I don't mind reinstalling. It's ok.`
`06:42.52`	`Thanashiba`	`TheDrex: it works now ? the terminal problem is solved ?`
`06:42.59`	`TheDrex`	`nope`
`06:43.09`	`Thanashiba`	`ah`
`06:43.22`	`Thanashiba`	`sounds quite strange...`
`06:43.31`	`TheDrex`	`font is ok, but prints that stuff 4 times`
`06:43.46`	`TheDrex`	`bash:export ...etc`
`06:43.49`	`Thanashiba`	`only on the X terminals or also on the pure console ?`
`06:43.51`	`Thanashiba`	`(no X)`
`06:44.01`	`TheDrex`	`8 times on pure`
`06:44.12`	`TheDrex`	`4 on x`
`06:44.37`	`TheDrex`	`I can still type in it.That part works.`
`06:44.38`	`Thanashiba`	`its very strange...`
`06:44.43`	`TheDrex`	`yes. I know.`
`06:44.50`	`TheDrex`	`I can live with it`
`06:44.54`	`Thanashiba`	`can you posible to paste your .bashrc file to www.pastebin.com ?`
`06:45.19`	`TheDrex`	`where is that file located?`
`06:46.09`	`Thanashiba`	`yes but.. not is a good thing, and i don't understand why you have this... in any case, a 0.4.2 version of Elive is for soon, all the bugs founded are solved on this version, i think to you don't have more problems with it`
`06:46.12`	`*** join/#elive Elive_user (n=Elive_us@60-240-249-65.tpgi.com.au)`
`06:46.17`	`Thanashiba`	`on your home of your user`
`06:46.22`	`Thanashiba`	`starts with a point, .bashrc`
`06:46.31`	`Thanashiba`	`type: scite $HOME/.bashrc`
`06:47.08`	`TheDrex`	`do I send PHP or Bash?`
`06:47.54`	`*** join/#elive Elive_user (n=Elive_us@S0106001346079ecd.gv.shawcable.net)`
`06:48.50`	`Thanashiba`	`copy all the text from here and paste all in www.pastebin.com`
`06:48.54`	`Thanashiba`	`and give me the link`
`06:49.07`	`TheDrex`	`still cant find the bash file`
`06:49.15`	`TheDrex`	`with Evidence`
`06:49.25`	`TheDrex`	`remeber Im new`
`06:49.44`	`TheDrex`	`Ima win junkie. But wanna change.`
`06:49.53`	`Thanashiba`	`no... open a terminal and type: scite $HOME/.bashrc`
`06:50.13`	`TheDrex`	`root or user mode?`
`06:50.18`	`Thanashiba`	`user`
`06:50.20`	`TheDrex`	`k`
`06:50.38`	`Thanashiba`	`if you have this problem of the terminal with user`
`06:50.53`	`Thanashiba`	`you don't have this problem only using root, correct ? also for user`
`06:51.02`	`TheDrex`	`yeah. both user and root`
`06:51.05`	`Thanashiba`	`ok`
`06:52.15`	`TheDrex`	`use "......." syntax Highlighting?`
`06:52.19`	`TheDrex`	`which one`
`06:52.44`	`TheDrex`	`default is PHP`
`06:52.56`	`Thanashiba`	`just send it and give me the link`
`06:53.06`	`Thanashiba`	`bash, i think`
`06:53.18`	`Thanashiba`	`not is important`
`06:53.29`	`*** join/#elive Elive_user (n=Elive_us@S0106001346079ecd.gv.shawcable.net)`
`06:53.41`	`TheDrex2`	`http://pastebin.com/577987`
`06:54.59`	`TheDrex`	`How am I doing for a noob?`
`06:55.02`	`Thanashiba`	`cat /etc/environment`
`06:55.04`	`Thanashiba`	`what contains ?`
`06:56.24`	`TheDrex`	`where is that?`
`06:56.39`	`Thanashiba`	`a configuration file`
`06:57.01`	`Thanashiba`	`what show when you "cat /etc/environment" ?`
`06:57.12`	`TheDrex`	`nothing happened`
`06:57.44`	`Thanashiba`	`no any line here ? strange...`
`06:58.42`	`TheDrex`	`environment or enviroment`
`06:59.07`	`TheDrex`	`No such file or dir... for either.`
`06:59.36`	`Thanashiba`	`environment`
`06:59.45`	`TheDrex`	`yeah tried both`
`06:59.52`	`Thanashiba`	`ok.. give me a second then`
`07:00.05`	`TheDrex`	`this is in terminal? right?`
`07:00.19`	`Thanashiba`	`mmmh, where ?`
`07:00.39`	`TheDrex`	`where do I I type this`
`07:00.43`	`TheDrex`	`Terminal?`
`07:00.53`	`Thanashiba`	`yes`
`07:01.00`	`TheDrex`	`teah ok, nothing`
`07:01.17`	`TheDrex`	`no such file or dir...`
`07:01.35`	`Thanashiba`	`ok.. one second`
`07:01.57`	`Thanashiba`	`apt-get update ; apt-get install langconf`
`07:02.03`	`Thanashiba`	`you have now esperanto on it`
`07:02.15`	`TheDrex`	`ok. hang on`
`07:02.23`	`GPLGeek_laptop`	`4.2 is going to rock.`
`07:02.24`	`Thanashiba`	`try it and reboot the computer for give more sure of works...`
`07:02.28`	`GPLGeek_laptop`	`we got a lot done`
`07:02.34`	`Thanashiba`	`yes :)`
`07:02.34`	`TheDrex`	`hehe`
`07:03.04`	`Thanashiba`	`im think'in about a new branch and channel for elive`
`07:03.09`	`Thanashiba`	`"unstable" versions`
`07:03.12`	`GPLGeek_laptop`	`lol`
`07:03.15`	`TheDrex`	`said same version`
`07:03.20`	`TheDrex`	`Nothing new`
`07:03.20`	`GPLGeek_laptop`	`#elive.3`
`07:03.21`	`Thanashiba`	`for beta-testing`
`07:03.56`	`Thanashiba`	`TheDrex: mmmh, apt-cache policy langconf .. what is the number for the "Installed" ?`
`07:04.20`	`GPLGeek_laptop`	`why not make #elive-developers and make some people permanent testers.`
`07:04.33`	`Thanashiba`	`GPLGeek_laptop: this is what i think ;)`
`07:04.38`	`Thanashiba`	`"unstable releases" of elive`
`07:05.06`	`TheDrex`	`installed 0.2-2elive4`
`07:05.13`	`Thanashiba`	`or maybe also auto-builds... a new iso every 2 weeks`
`07:05.14`	`TheDrex`	`Cadidate...same`
`07:05.28`	`Thanashiba`	`TheDrex: and with apt-get update first ?`
`07:05.36`	`TheDrex`	`yes]`
`07:06.00`	`Thanashiba`	`mmmh`
`07:06.23`	`TheDrex`	`I can try again...`
`07:06.27`	`Thanashiba`	`yes, update again`
`07:06.37`	`GPLGeek_laptop`	`I would volunteer my time to be a tester or even to help develop things and do research like I did with fglrx.`
`07:06.39`	`Thanashiba`	`i have uploaded it on the server, and shows the new version for me`
`07:06.43`	`TheDrex`	`same thing, no new versions`
`07:06.51`	`GPLGeek_laptop`	`test weekly versions`
`07:06.52`	`GPLGeek_laptop`	`etc`
`07:06.54`	`Thanashiba`	`thanks GPLGeek_laptop :)`
`07:06.59`	`TheDrex`	`might take time to seed`
`07:07.04`	`TheDrex`	`haha`
`07:07.36`	`Thanashiba`	`354572 extents written (692 MB)`
`07:07.40`	`Thanashiba`	`just builded ^^ ;)`
`07:07.46`	`TheDrex`	`I really love Elive....Keep it going`
`07:07.51`	`Thanashiba`	`not bad.. we have recover some mb from the last version`
`07:07.58`	`GPLGeek_laptop`	`lol`
`07:08.02`	`Thanashiba`	`thanks TheDrex :)`
`07:08.06`	`TheDrex`	`lol=haha`
`07:08.06`	`GPLGeek_laptop`	`what did you remove?`
`07:08.13`	`Thanashiba`	`GPLGeek_laptop: xlibs-dev`
`07:08.15`	`GPLGeek_laptop`	`or did you just change things`
`07:08.18`	`GPLGeek_laptop`	`oh.`
`07:08.33`	`Thanashiba`	`with dependencies of some X libs for developement`
`07:08.36`	`Thanashiba`	`not needed`
`07:08.57`	`GPLGeek_laptop`	`Many people say "make a version without openoffice"`
`07:09.05`	`GPLGeek_laptop`	`or "make a lite version"`
`07:09.07`	`TheDrex`	`so oneday I wanna setup a webpage on elive with apache`
`07:09.29`	`*** join/#elive cornelius[cz] (n=corneliu@143.132.broadband2.iol.cz)`
`07:09.42`	`GPLGeek_laptop`	`TheDrex, just go to your htdocs and edit/copy/paste`
`07:09.50`	`GPLGeek_laptop`	`apache runs on elive`
`07:09.56`	`GPLGeek_laptop`	`http://localhost`
`07:09.57`	`TheDrex`	`That's where it is? OK`
`07:10.07`	`TheDrex`	`coolio`
`07:10.35`	`GPLGeek_laptop`	`/var/www`
`07:10.54`	`TheDrex`	`Nice.`
`07:11.21`	`TheDrex`	`then forward port 80 on my router to elive?`
`07:11.22`	`GPLGeek_laptop`	`/var/www is where you put ur web stuff`
`07:11.26`	`Thanashiba`	`its funny...`
`07:11.38`	`GPLGeek_laptop`	`setup your elive to have a static ip`
`07:11.46`	`Thanashiba`	`im launching a virtual machine for test this iso from a 360 Mhz with 64 mb of ram lol`
`07:11.51`	`GPLGeek_laptop`	`have the router point port80 to that ip`
`07:12.21`	`GPLGeek_laptop`	`Thanashiba, I will always test for you if you need. And give you ssh`
`07:12.33`	`TheDrex`	`My elive is a 2.4 ghz 1gig`
`07:12.39`	`TheDrex`	`Intel`
`07:12.46`	`Thanashiba`	`TheDrex: enter here: http://localhost`
`07:12.50`	`Thanashiba`	`you look any thing ?`
`07:13.23`	`TheDrex`	`yup. nice > placeholder`
`07:13.29`	`Thanashiba`	`GPLGeek_laptop: i have a very low upload :( 30 kb/s`
`07:13.43`	`Thanashiba`	`TheDrex: this is your actual machine serving a webpage ;)`
`07:14.07`	`TheDrex`	`yup. nice`
`07:14.18`	`GPLGeek_laptop`	`ftp://gplgeek.homelinux.org/incoming/ if you want to give it to me. 30KB is ok`
`07:14.35`	`GPLGeek_laptop`	`I support resume`
`07:14.39`	`TheDrex`	`brb. nature calls`
`07:15.12`	`*** join/#elive kr1stof (n=ZETA@dslb-084-056-024-184.pools.arcor-ip.net)`
`07:15.36`	`Thanashiba`	`GPLGeek_laptop: why not ? is just a test version without any thing tested (just all the fixations finished and builded a new iso "from scratch")`
`07:15.43`	`Thanashiba`	`but for test is ok..`
`07:19.21`	`TheDrex`	`My screensize will not go bigger than 640x480 on my Compag POS Monitor.`
`07:19.35`	`GPLGeek_laptop`	`TheDrex, did you try kicking it?`
`07:19.43`	`TheDrex`	`The monitor is capable of 1024x...`
`07:19.55`	`GPLGeek_laptop`	`its the refresh rate`
`07:19.59`	`GPLGeek_laptop`	`they are very bad`
`07:20.02`	`TheDrex`	`not yet, I have 21 in in the other room on the floor`
`07:20.04`	`GPLGeek_laptop`	`60hz`
`07:20.08`	`GPLGeek_laptop`	`or less`
`07:20.34`	`TheDrex`	`But im cramped for room right now.`
`07:20.43`	`GPLGeek_laptop`	`also 16bit for higher res not 24`
`07:20.57`	`TheDrex`	`res looks great`
`07:21.19`	`TheDrex`	`all Vids I play trough the network gook great too`
`07:21.35`	`Thanashiba`	`TheDrex: try vhsync`
`07:21.36`	`TheDrex`	`xvid, divx...mpg...`
`07:21.50`	`TheDrex`	`vhsync?`
`07:22.03`	`Thanashiba`	`yes, try this command on this computer to you has bad resolution`
`07:22.16`	`TheDrex`	`in terminal?`
`07:22.23`	`GPLGeek_laptop`	`ya`
`07:22.27`	`Thanashiba`	`GPLGeek_laptop: do you have look the YELLOW messages to appears when you exit from X ?`
`07:22.29`	`GPLGeek_laptop`	`as root`
`07:22.48`	`Thanashiba`	`on the liveCD system`
`07:22.52`	`TheDrex`	`cool a new menu`
`07:23.02`	`GPLGeek_laptop`	`i have seen them`
`07:23.16`	`TheDrex`	`2 compaq's listed`
`07:23.23`	`Thanashiba`	`GPLGeek_laptop: aparently NO ANY person looks it.. i don't know why i write it... and its only 3 lines lol`
`07:23.50`	`GPLGeek_laptop`	`lol`
`07:24.03`	`TheDrex`	`lol=hehe`
`07:24.04`	`GPLGeek_laptop`	`many people dont have eyes`
`07:24.27`	`Thanashiba`	`the messages is:`
`07:24.37`	`Thanashiba`	`type SETUP for select e16 or e17`
`07:24.45`	`GPLGeek_laptop`	`i need to take laptop off the internet for a sec`
`07:24.51`	`GPLGeek_laptop`	`will catch up on chat on desktop`
`07:24.54`	`Thanashiba`	`type VHSYNC for reconfigure your monitor if you has problems`
`07:25.02`	`TheDrex`	`I see, cool.`
`07:25.03`	`Thanashiba`	`type REBOOT for reboot your computer`
`07:25.27`	`Thanashiba`	`but aparently no any person reads this :/`
`07:25.47`	`wasynyt`	`i did :D`
`07:26.05`	`TheDrex`	`I did that by mistake once`
`07:26.16`	`TheDrex`	`I was surprised when it did`
`07:26.36`	`Thanashiba`	`i have also make a "clear" window for JUST look this messages lol`
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`07:27.03`	`wasynyt`	`nice`
`07:27.19`	`wasynyt`	`i think i will quite seeding the current one..`
`07:27.24`	`Thanashiba`	`euh.. installed in the hard disk of a virtual machine.. is builded perfectly :)`
`07:27.29`	`Thanashiba`	`i need some sleep, hehe`
`07:27.42`	`wasynyt`	`:D`
`07:27.57`	`Thanashiba`	`wasynyt: yes.. the 0.4.2 release is very coming soon`
`07:28.12`	`Thanashiba`	`and i think to TheDrex needs it, hehe`
`07:28.19`	`TheDrex`	`and SAta and SATA 2 work ok?`
`07:28.20`	`Thanashiba`	`too many strange this problem of the terminal`
`07:28.30`	`Thanashiba`	`maybe generated when the problem of the chars`
`07:28.45`	`rookmoot`	`Welcome back rookmoot`
`07:28.45`	`Thanashiba`	`SATA yes TheDrex`
`07:28.50`	`TheDrex`	`cool.`
`07:29.01`	`Thanashiba`	`apt: wb rookmoot`
`07:29.09`	`rookmoot`	`:p`
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`07:29.31`	`rookmoot`	`Welcome back rookmoot`
`07:29.57`	`TheDrex`	`does world of warcraft work in wine? or is there a wine in here?`
`07:30.39`	`rookmoot`	`Thanashiba, why do you search an drupal expert ?`
`07:30.40`	`TheDrex`	`Is the new ISO ready to leech?`
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`07:30.48`	`cornelius[cz]`	`hi`
`07:30.58`	`Thanashiba`	`rookmoot: for the wiki iste`
`07:30.59`	`Thanashiba`	`site`
`07:31.08`	`rookmoot`	`hm`
`07:31.08`	`TheDrex`	`Hi cornholio`
`07:31.13`	`rookmoot`	`why drupal ?`
`07:31.17`	`Thanashiba`	`good morning cornelius[cz]`
`07:31.35`	`Thanashiba`	`rookmoot: because actually works in drupal`
`07:31.49`	`rookmoot`	`hm`
`07:31.57`	`rookmoot`	`but the wiki could be different`
`07:32.18`	`Thanashiba`	`http://wiki.elivecd.org`
`07:32.51`	`rookmoot`	`:p`
`07:32.55`	`rookmoot`	`http://fr.edevelop.org/`
`07:33.02`	`rookmoot`	`we are in the ERING !!! :)`
`07:33.54`	`Thanashiba`	`hehehe, yes :)`
`07:36.40`	`rookmoot`	`elive fait son trou j'ai bien l'impression :)`
`07:37.17`	`rookmoot`	`Thanashiba, c'est quoi le probleme du SATA?`
`07:39.03`	`Thanashiba`	`bof... c'est resou`
`07:39.11`	`Thanashiba`	`le probleme c'est que le kernel il le suportait pas`
`07:39.33`	`rookmoot`	`ha ouai`
`07:39.38`	`rookmoot`	`pas bien dur a fixer ;)`
`07:39.47`	`Thanashiba`	`non... si le systeme`
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`07:40.03`	`Thanashiba`	`non... si le syste ça serait plus facile a changer de de kernel xD`
`07:40.09`	`GPLGeek`	`back`
`07:40.50`	`GPLGeek`	`in 4.3 we need a version that shocks the user if they do not read a message`
`07:42.59`	`Thanashiba`	`=)`
`07:43.29`	`Thanashiba`	`GPLGeek: what about a .mp3 file played when exit from X saying "read the fucking message" ? :)`
`07:43.52`	`GPLGeek`	`in that funny tech voice`
`07:44.02`	`Thanashiba`	`yes`
`07:44.02`	`GPLGeek`	`boot up and it says RTFM instead of Elive`
`07:44.03`	`TheDrex`	`RTFM`
`07:44.16`	`Thanashiba`	`or maybe speaking the message because no any person look it lol`
`07:44.22`	`GPLGeek`	`Speaking of, I was thinking of making a manual for starting out elive`
`07:44.35`	`TheDrex`	`If you leave iut irc chat they will have to RTFM`
`07:44.38`	`GPLGeek`	`I want to get 4.2 version so I can start writing it`
`07:44.43`	`TheDrex`	`iut-out`
`07:45.30`	`Thanashiba`	`GPLGeek: im booting the installation... if all works good, i send you the iso ;)`
`07:45.45`	`Thanashiba`	`for a full posible beta-test before the release`
`07:46.16`	`GPLGeek`	`Who here has Nvidia?`
`07:46.26`	`GPLGeek`	`Can you run a test for me?`
`07:46.27`	`TheDrex`	`can you include quake 3 areana with it please?`
`07:46.34`	`Thanashiba`	`i need to change minor things but is ok (a little character bad on teh installer and the temperature module of e17)`
`07:46.38`	`TheDrex`	`I hve Nvidia`
`07:46.38`	`GPLGeek`	`lspci \| grep`
`07:46.42`	`TheDrex`	`5600`
`07:46.43`	`GPLGeek`	`lspci \| grep 'nvidia'`
`07:47.00`	`GPLGeek`	`I want to know what the full line says`
`07:47.07`	`Thanashiba`	`i have a nvidia.. but is out the computer now, i have switched to matrox :)`
`07:47.10`	`TheDrex`	`k hang. rebooting`
`07:47.21`	`GPLGeek`	`I'm working on software to auto-detect what driver to use`
`07:47.46`	`GPLGeek`	`Thanashiba, please also lspci \| grep 'matrox' for me`
`07:47.52`	`Thanashiba`	`GPLGeek: what driver use or what driver need to set ?`
`07:47.54`	`GPLGeek`	`give me the line`
`07:48.31`	`GPLGeek`	`I am making a software that detects what card is in the computer and then loads the appropriate accelerated driver. If the tests do well I want to present it to Elive.`
`07:49.01`	`Thanashiba`	`sorry.. no message.. but maybe my kernel not is supported.. i use a old own 2.6.10 from where i have the nvidia`
`07:49.03`	`GPLGeek`	`the card will tell it's name in lspci always, since its programmed on the hardware`
`07:49.04`	`TheDrex`	`the line is blank when I entered it`
`07:49.20`	`GPLGeek`	`type lspci without the grep and see if it shows one for your videocard`
`07:49.35`	`Thanashiba`	`GPLGeek: what about read /proc and no read the modules ?`
`07:49.48`	`Thanashiba`	`on /proc is where is the info of your system/hardware`
`07:50.07`	`Thanashiba`	`is VERY powered`
`07:50.43`	`Thanashiba`	`you can be posible also to change things.. for example enable your dma with a "echo dma on > /proc/idontremember"`
`07:50.45`	`TheDrex`	`yup Gforce3 Ti 200`
`07:50.58`	`TheDrex`	`wonder where my 5200 is`
`07:52.14`	`GPLGeek`	`I was told lspci will tell you the hardware name even if no module is loaded for it`
`07:52.17`	`GPLGeek`	`and tested it and it works`
`07:52.42`	`TheDrex`	`It shows me alot of things`
`07:52.49`	`GPLGeek`	`I just want to see what the lines look like for the video card`
`07:53.02`	`Thanashiba`	`GPLGeek: bash ?`
`07:53.10`	`TheDrex`	`Im not typing that 300 char string in here`
`07:53.11`	`GPLGeek`	`I will program in bash.`
`07:53.26`	`GPLGeek`	`pastebin.com lol`
`07:54.05`	`TheDrex`	`does control C copy in terminal?`
`07:54.07`	`GPLGeek`	`mine says nubmers, then vga compatable controller : (name of the video card)`
`07:54.17`	`GPLGeek`	`I just need to know what it ident's as`
`07:54.53`	`GPLGeek`	`xterm lets you copy rxvt im not sure`
`07:55.11`	`Thanashiba`	`apt copypaste`
`07:55.15`	`apt`	`rumour has it, copypaste is for select any word or lines with the mouse and paste simply by the middle button of the mouse`
`07:55.36`	`TheDrex`	`vga compatable controller nVidia Corp NV20 [GeForece3 Ti 200] (rev a3)`
`07:55.43`	`GPLGeek`	`Sometimes that does not work for some reason`
`07:55.53`	`GPLGeek`	`for instance, I dont have a middle mouse button`
`07:55.58`	`GPLGeek`	`on my laptop lol`
`07:56.12`	`GPLGeek`	`ok cool`
`07:56.23`	`TheDrex`	`I have 5 buttons on mine`
`07:57.01`	`TheDrex`	`My onboard sound never worked. Will it be fixed?`
`07:57.02`	`GPLGeek`	`lspci \| grep 'nVidia Corp' lspci \| grep 'ATI Tech' are the 2 commands that will let me see if somone is using ati or nvidia`
`07:57.24`	`GPLGeek`	`TheDrex, did you go into elpanel and configure it?`
`07:57.36`	`GPLGeek`	`most people can do that and get it running`
`07:57.39`	`TheDrex`	`Corporation actually`
`07:58.16`	`TheDrex`	`yeah but I grabed a Live card off the floor and tossed it in instaed,`
`07:58.18`	`GPLGeek`	`It doesnt matter`
`07:58.22`	`GPLGeek`	`All I need is Corp`
`07:58.27`	`TheDrex`	`ok Corp`
`07:58.31`	`GPLGeek`	`the rest of the word is just characters`
`07:58.41`	`TheDrex`	`My floor has all kind of stuff on it.`
`07:58.43`	`GPLGeek`	`as long as 'nVidia Corp' exists in that line`
`07:59.26`	`TheDrex`	`Im still at 640 by 480 arggggg`
`07:59.35`	`TheDrex`	`pizzen meoff`
`07:59.45`	`Thanashiba`	`GPLGeek: the iso looks perfect... i start to upload it in some minutes, ok ?`
`08:00.06`	`TheDrex`	`msm the iso to me...lol`
`08:00.25`	`Thanashiba`	`hehehe, don't worry TheDrex, is for very coming soon ;)`
`08:00.30`	`Thanashiba`	`maybe 2 or 3 days maximum`
`08:00.44`	`GPLGeek`	`Thanashiba, ok`
`08:01.06`	`GPLGeek`	`If we don't have to rebuild that ISO then I could start a seed in a few days when it's ready`
`08:01.26`	`GPLGeek`	`but we dont want to jump the gun and get a lot of broken people`
`08:01.35`	`TheDrex`	`can you include quake 3?`
`08:01.45`	`GPLGeek`	`will it fit in 5MB?`
`08:01.47`	`TheDrex`	`hmmmm`
`08:01.50`	`TheDrex`	`nope`
`08:02.36`	`Thanashiba`	`GPLGeek: no, i need to rebuild it, yes, just for very minor things`
`08:03.07`	`GPLGeek`	`Then I will keep it just for my own testing`
`08:03.35`	`Thanashiba`	`GPLGeek: perfect, and then make sure to all works perfectly :) all bugs listted on the webpage and the ATI thing ;)`
`08:03.42`	`GPLGeek`	`yes`
`08:03.56`	`GPLGeek`	`I have put together the Nvidia machine (just need to add the hard drive) for testing`
`08:03.59`	`GPLGeek`	`it's an intel`
`08:04.41`	`TheDrex`	`intel harddrive? yer kidding?`
`08:04.49`	`TheDrex`	`when did intel make a HD?`
`08:05.13`	`TheDrex`	`I want 3`
`08:06.10`	`Thanashiba`	`GPLGeek: i have think about the amd64 '165' processor, it is a 1800 Mhz and its FAST... but the process of renderization (calculation of cpu) is always fast or just the "system in general" is very fast ?`
`08:06.53`	`GPLGeek`	`It depends on HOW you use it and how your kernel is configured`
`08:06.54`	`TheDrex`	`peeps with AMD's just wanna play games.`
`08:07.19`	`TheDrex`	`I don't know any AMD'ers that use Linux`
`08:07.38`	`wasynyt`	`i do :D`
`08:07.43`	`TheDrex`	`unless its an old duron`
`08:07.53`	`Thanashiba`	`TheDrex: i understand now the problem of langconf... is in the last version the problem...`
`08:07.54`	`GPLGeek`	`I know that the AMD64 3700+ or higher will work for you and be cheep. If you do a lot of multitasking and have the kernel set up for smp then it might be good to get the dual core`
`08:08.08`	`Thanashiba`	`but no more problems now, it needs to work perfectly via elpanel also`
`08:08.09`	`GPLGeek`	`each core is 1800, and the bus is high`
`08:08.12`	`wasynyt`	`amd xp 2600+ & amd 64 (socket 939) 3200+`
`08:08.13`	`GPLGeek`	`good cashe`
`08:08.38`	`GPLGeek`	`if you are only doing ONE thing that does not split threads the amd64 3700+ could beat it at 2.2ghz`
`08:09.10`	`GPLGeek`	`Either way the CPU is very powered.`
`08:09.16`	`TheDrex`	`I like stable. not "beat"`
`08:09.26`	`Thanashiba`	`apt x en es cheep`
`08:09.35`	`GPLGeek`	`baratas`
`08:09.35`	`TheDrex`	`cheap is the word`
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`08:10.18`	`Thanashiba`	`aha`
`08:10.34`	`Thanashiba`	`and in what is good then the model 165 ?`
`08:11.19`	`Thanashiba`	`its fast but.. in calculation also ? (because works in 1800 Mhz)`
`08:12.12`	`GPLGeek`	`Thanashiba, it works like 2x 1800mhz it is dual core right?`
`08:12.19`	`GPLGeek`	`it's like 2 cpu's in one`
`08:12.43`	`GPLGeek`	`isnt it? link it again so I can make sure`
`08:13.02`	`TheDrex`	`Intel`
`08:13.04`	`Thanashiba`	`mmmh, i think`
`08:13.13`	`TheDrex`	`oops`
`08:13.23`	`GPLGeek`	`Think of it this way`
`08:13.29`	`Thanashiba`	`but in any case is 64 bits, and its in another words "the double"`
`08:13.37`	`Thanashiba`	`of course using a 64 bits kernel`
`08:13.49`	`Thanashiba`	`more than the double if works a system on 64 bits....`
`08:14.17`	`TheDrex`	`but software needs to be programed to use the capabilities of the 64. It does not make anything run faster.`
`08:14.29`	`GPLGeek`	`If the app supports threading then it can split the threads to each cpu. in that case it would be 64bits on 2x 1800. That would be fast as light.`
`08:14.42`	`Thanashiba`	`TheDrex: what is the problem on linux ? :)`
`08:14.55`	`GPLGeek`	`TheDrex, actually the 32bit apps really also work well (no speed loss, actually speed gained)`
`08:15.11`	`wasynyt`	`64bit mainly benefical as it allows bigger memory space.. i think`
`08:15.12`	`TheDrex`	`I cant see a gain in 32 apps`
`08:15.19`	`GPLGeek`	`the 32bit translation is nothing.`
`08:15.23`	`Thanashiba`	`TheDrex: no.. if you compile on 64 it works a lot faster.. the "extra flags" is another thing but not essential, the system works a lot faster also`
`08:15.31`	`GPLGeek`	`its by default forward and backward compatable with no loss`
`08:15.41`	`TheDrex`	`Opteron then`
`08:15.49`	`TheDrex`	`Dual Opterons`
`08:16.10`	`GPLGeek`	`well this opteron is dual core so even if it is only one... it will rock`
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`08:16.36`	`GPLGeek`	`Sun was selling workstations with the 165 and they were doing great.`
`08:16.38`	`TheDrex`	`yeah. or a dual Xeon`
`08:16.44`	`TheDrex`	`maybe not`
`08:16.47`	`GPLGeek`	`There is a problem with the Xeons`
`08:17.04`	`TheDrex`	`how about a zx81 with 16k?`
`08:17.18`	`TheDrex`	`Xeons need to be matched.`
`08:17.32`	`GPLGeek`	`he needs a amd-type chip for testing`
`08:17.52`	`TheDrex`	`sorry. Only have Intels on my floor`
`08:18.18`	`GPLGeek`	`TheDrex, you may prefer intel, and that's fine, but we want to support everyone`
`08:18.21`	`GPLGeek`	`intel, amd, etc`
`08:18.24`	`TheDrex`	`I could look for one maybe....( Hides Face)`
`08:18.33`	`Thanashiba`	`i don't know what is better... for me... for the main computer to make all posible works.. maybe the 165`
`08:18.52`	`TheDrex`	`Yes , I understand.`
`08:18.59`	`GPLGeek`	`Thanashiba, you would be better off with 165 I think, with all your tasks and gcc does thread`
`08:19.55`	`Thanashiba`	`apt x en es you would be better off with 165`
`08:21.19`	`Thanashiba`	`better with this or another ? i don't good understand`
`08:21.21`	`GPLGeek`	`165 es muy bueno`
`08:21.27`	`Thanashiba`	`:)`
`08:21.51`	`GPLGeek`	`'better off' == 'better to have' == 'better situation'`
`08:22.15`	`Thanashiba`	`ok :)`
`08:22.34`	`Thanashiba`	`ok GPLGeek, give me the link ( Thanatermesis ) i start upload the iso...`
`08:23.05`	`GPLGeek`	`Usa muy threads/apps, ¿correcto?`
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`08:23.32`	`TheDrex`	`:-)`
`08:24.30`	`Thanatermesis`	`the langconf don't works GPLGeek, just upgrade`
`08:25.11`	`Thanatermesis`	`ok, what is the link GPLGeek ?`
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`08:25.38`	`GPLGeek`	`El 165 es muy bueno para muy programas...`
`08:25.49`	`GPLGeek`	`for upload iso?`
`08:25.53`	`wasynyt`	`Thanatermesis, are the apt-get repos updated?`
`08:26.09`	`Thanatermesis`	`wasynyt yes :)`
`08:26.11`	`TheDrex`	`apt-get quake3`
`08:26.16`	`GPLGeek`	`ftp://gplgeek.homelinux.org/incoming/`
`08:26.32`	`Thanatermesis`	`ok... after 7 hours are uploaded GPLGeek`
`08:26.39`	`wasynyt`	`then ill go and start updating.. apt-get upgrade or distupgrade`
`08:26.45`	`Thanatermesis`	`error 425`
`08:26.52`	`GPLGeek`	`let me check`
`08:27.30`	`Thanatermesis`	`can't open data connection`
`08:27.32`	`GPLGeek`	`ftp://anonymous:anonymous@gplgeek.homelinux.org/incoming/`
`08:27.39`	`Thanatermesis`	`ok`
`08:27.57`	`Thanatermesis`	`same`
`08:28.06`	`GPLGeek`	`hmm let me see here`
`08:28.39`	`Thanatermesis`	`89960e770d1afa25d106dae647245d89 elive-0.4.1.iso`
`08:29.26`	`Thanatermesis`	`wasynyt a terminal manager on elpanel now ;)`
`08:29.43`	`GPLGeek`	`ftp://gplgeek.homelinux.org/ works for a friend`
`08:29.54`	`Thanatermesis`	`yes.. but no the upload section`
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`08:30.26`	`Thanatermesis`	`425: can't open data connection`
`08:30.31`	`Thanatermesis`	`i don't need a user/pass ?`
`08:30.42`	`GPLGeek`	`ftp://gplgeek.homelinux.org/ the incoming directoruy]`
`08:30.49`	`GPLGeek`	`er directory`
`08:30.55`	`GPLGeek`	`anonymous ftp`
`08:31.04`	`GPLGeek`	`I can set you up your own folder and username if you like`
`08:32.15`	`Thanatermesis`	`don't looks to works...`
`08:33.08`	`GPLGeek`	`ok i /msg you`
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`08:33.32`	`dschohennes`	`hi`
`08:33.40`	`Thanatermesis`	`try now`
`08:33.45`	`dschohennes`	`the thing with the new kernel works`
`08:33.55`	`dschohennes`	`concerning the dvd-problems`
`08:34.23`	`GPLGeek`	`Thanatermesis, you will have full control over that directory write, remove, mkdir, everything`
`08:36.31`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek you can read me ?`
`08:36.32`	`dschohennes`	`how can i edit the OS X-Sytle Menu in e16?`
`08:36.53`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt elpanel dschohennes`
`08:36.56`	`apt`	`elpanel elpanel elpanel, this is the answer to your question and the solution of all your problems, try it dschohennes ;)`
`08:36.56`	`dschohennes`	`*style`
`08:36.58`	`GPLGeek`	`ya`
`08:37.06`	`dschohennes`	`hehe okay`
`08:37.14`	`Thanatermesis`	`then the link is received GPLGeek ?`
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`08:38.00`	`GPLGeek`	`Speed isnt that bad`
`08:38.05`	`Thanatermesis`	`im go to the bed ? :)`
`08:38.09`	`GPLGeek`	`ok`
`08:38.11`	`GPLGeek`	`good night`
`08:38.14`	`Thanatermesis`	`30-35 kb/s i think`
`08:38.20`	`Thanatermesis`	`ok... good night all`
`08:38.28`	`GPLGeek`	`28-40`
`08:38.45`	`GPLGeek`	`mostly 28`
`08:39.25`	`dschohennes`	`and can you tell me where the symbol-files are normally stored?`
`08:40.14`	`GPLGeek`	`I think I fixed my ftp to be more compatable to people`
`08:41.29`	`TheDrex`	`I bet everyone here tried to log in at the same time`
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`09:14.05`	`dukebody`	`hello guys`
`09:14.20`	`GPLGeek`	`hi`
`09:14.42`	`dukebody`	`i have a question, are debian official-repositories aviable in elive?`
`09:14.43`	`GPLGeek`	`I'm actually on my way to bed right now but if you have any questions really quick ask`
`09:15.04`	`GPLGeek`	`Debian repos are the etch repos`
`09:15.06`	`dukebody`	`it's 10:17 in spain`
`09:15.11`	`dukebody`	`ok thanks`
`09:15.16`	`GPLGeek`	`i'm .us PST`
`09:15.21`	`dukebody`	`i'm going to install elive in a 300mhz machine`
`09:15.35`	`Elaptop`	`it runs well on low power machines`
`09:15.54`	`dukebody`	`that's what i want, i tried ubuntu but too slow`
`09:16.16`	`GPLGeek`	`ubuntu has its problems`
`09:16.27`	`GPLGeek`	`have you done an install yet?`
`09:16.37`	`dukebody`	`an install of ubuntu, elive or what?`
`09:16.38`	`GPLGeek`	`before you install onto the 300mhz machine i want you to do something`
`09:16.42`	`GPLGeek`	`elive`
`09:16.45`	`dukebody`	`not`
`09:16.58`	`dukebody`	`i have installed ubuntu and gentoo, i'm a gentoo user but in 300mhz...`
`09:17.06`	`GPLGeek`	`I want you to put the livecd in and type apt-get update && apt-get upgrade`
`09:17.10`	`GPLGeek`	`then install it.`
`09:17.20`	`dukebody`	`why?`
`09:17.27`	`dukebody`	`are you a developer?`
`09:17.31`	`GPLGeek`	`we fixed a lot of bugs =)`
`09:17.44`	`GPLGeek`	`I'm not officially a developer but I work with Thana a lot`
`09:17.44`	`dukebody`	`ah 0.4 has lot of bugs?`
`09:17.51`	`GPLGeek`	`right now hes uploading me the .4.2 version to test`
`09:18.03`	`GPLGeek`	`not a lot`
`09:18.23`	`GPLGeek`	`after the update they are all fixed`
`09:18.31`	`dukebody`	`i would help if i have the understanding... but i'm relatively new on linux`
`09:18.38`	`GPLGeek`	`that's fine`
`09:18.51`	`GPLGeek`	`you will like elive then`
`09:19.04`	`dukebody`	`i have gentoo but i don't have idea about programming,about scripting or nothing`
`09:19.20`	`dukebody`	`but i have gentoo i know many linux users know less than me ejeje`
`09:19.42`	`GPLGeek`	`boot into e17, open the terminal, 'type sudo apt-get update' and then 'sudo apt-get upgrade' and that will upgrade your livecd so that when you install it will be right the first time =)`
`09:20.07`	`dukebody`	`ah elive works with sudo like ubuntu? do elive have root active-account?`
`09:20.19`	`GPLGeek`	`elive does have a root`
`09:20.25`	`GPLGeek`	`sudo is in every linux`
`09:20.39`	`GPLGeek`	`its just a method to give a user superuser for a command`
`09:20.54`	`dukebody`	`i think sudo-only is annoyin`
`09:20.55`	`GPLGeek`	`it seperates out the userspace to avoid us accidently killing our system`
`09:21.19`	`GPLGeek`	`you can actually, in ubuntu, type sudo su`
`09:21.25`	`GPLGeek`	`then type passwd`
`09:21.29`	`GPLGeek`	`then you have a root account`
`09:21.42`	`dukebody`	`a experienced user should know when to use root account`
`09:22.08`	`dukebody`	`i use root in gentoo for administration task because i'm de administrator everytime, and everytime i'm installing software, etc`
`09:22.25`	`GPLGeek`	`are you going to install english or spanish as your default language`
`09:22.38`	`dukebody`	`log on with user-account but type su at console-virtual`
`09:22.41`	`dukebody`	`spanish`
`09:22.47`	`dukebody`	`if it's possible of course`
`09:22.54`	`GPLGeek`	`we support many languages`
`09:22.57`	`dukebody`	`aham`
`09:22.59`	`GPLGeek`	`=)`
`09:23.09`	`GPLGeek`	`Hablamos español`
`09:23.09`	`dukebody`	`i would like to help in translating if it's possible`
`09:23.12`	`dukebody`	`sí?`
`09:23.18`	`dukebody`	`pero bien hablado?`
`09:23.38`	`dukebody`	`algún desarrollador es español?`
`09:23.45`	`GPLGeek`	`hehe`
`09:23.47`	`dukebody`	`any spanish developer?`
`09:23.57`	`GPLGeek`	`the lead developer ¿=`
`09:24.15`	`dukebody`	`lead?`
`09:24.16`	`GPLGeek`	`Thanatermesis speaks spanish and english`
`09:24.20`	`dukebody`	`aahr`
`09:24.29`	`dukebody`	`i found he in #debian-es`
`09:26.01`	`rookmoot`	`GPLGeek, he also speak french ;)`
`09:26.03`	`dukebody`	`i was going to install debian but he told me about elive, and when i tried e0.17 in gentoo i wondered so`
`09:26.26`	`dukebody`	`i'm tired of compilig in gentoo argh`
`09:27.03`	`GPLGeek`	`Mucho gusto dukebody. Voy a ir a la tierra del sueño.`
`09:27.20`	`dukebody`	`ok, que duermas bien`
`09:27.51`	`GPLGeek`	`Ya Elive is simple and is near the point where you wont have to think about it much. It just works`
`09:28.13`	`dukebody`	`i want to think but i don't want to compile everything like gentoo!`
`09:28.43`	`dukebody`	`i love understanding but not hours and hours compiling base-libraries`
`09:28.46`	`GPLGeek`	`the biggest (and only) problem we have is with a few E modules for the desktop causing segfaults but those will be disabled by default in next release and do not hit everyone, and that's a E problem not a Elive problem.`
`09:28.58`	`dukebody`	`yes`
`09:29.07`	`GPLGeek`	`dukebody, if you love understanding you can still have fun`
`09:29.07`	`dukebody`	`i left E in gentoo because it segfaulted`
`09:29.15`	`GPLGeek`	`there is a lot of fun stuff under the hood`
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`09:29.40`	`dukebody`	`goodbye GPLGeek`
`09:30.00`	`GPLGeek`	`well E17 is stable here, just some modules that are in testing phase crash.`
`09:30.15`	`dukebody`	`and a menu editor¿`
`09:30.24`	`dukebody`	`menu editor!!! i want`
`09:30.29`	`GPLGeek`	`Menu editor exists.`
`09:30.35`	`dukebody`	`exist in e17?`
`09:30.55`	`dukebody`	`i did not found it when compiling 0.17...`
`09:31.09`	`dukebody`	`just a .order file, but it not works very well...`
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`09:33.54`	`wasynyt`	`dukebody, if you have complite e17 or you are using elive try entangle... in terminal entangle`
`09:36.50`	`dukebody`	`terminal entangle?`
`09:36.55`	`dukebody`	`aah`
`09:36.56`	`dukebody`	`ok`
`09:37.17`	`dukebody`	`but my e17 segfaulted and then i switched to xfce4, wasynyt`
`09:37.34`	`TheDrex`	`error initing Entangle_Eapps.`
`09:37.52`	`dukebody`	`i couldn't start e since the segfault`
`09:38.18`	`dukebody`	`i've heard about incomatibility between modular-xorg and E libraries like ecore and evas`
`09:39.52`	`TheDrex`	`yeah , fer a new linux user you know too much.`
`09:41.16`	`pycs`	`dukebody, in elive, entangle menu editor is pretty useful :)`
`09:41.18`	`dukebody`	`i found e17 buggy... i'm new in understanding, i started with guadalinex (ubuntu-based) and when i switched to gentoo i learned a lot, very much, but i'd like to learn programming to help developing, or help makin ebuilds..`
`09:41.25`	`pycs`	`no segfault :)`
`09:41.56`	`TheDrex`	`yeah. I see. I'n new too, But I just wanna be a User.`
`09:42.09`	`dukebody`	`I wana be a geek xD`
`09:42.11`	`dukebody`	`lol`
`09:42.26`	`dukebody`	`i have to admin a university computer`
`09:42.35`	`TheDrex`	`I have XD ram in my camera.`
`09:42.47`	`dukebody`	`lol`
`09:42.58`	`dukebody`	`in spain we said xD instead of LOL`
`09:43.28`	`pycs`	`then xD it is, :)`
`09:43.28`	`TheDrex`	`ahh ok`
`09:46.54`	`dukebody`	`e17 wants to be a full desktop-enviroment like gnome or kde or xfce no?`
`09:47.13`	`TheDrex`	`yeah`
`09:47.42`	`pycs`	`yes, and more than that..`
`09:48.06`	`dukebody`	`more? lol`
`09:48.24`	`dukebody`	`make your homework and the bed?`
`09:48.40`	`pycs`	`lol, yes its a revolution..`
`09:48.41`	`TheDrex`	`apt-get hotbabe`
`09:49.02`	`TheDrex`	`apt-get ham sandwich`
`09:49.21`	`dukebody`	`:?`
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`09:49.25`	`pycs`	`apt beer`
`09:49.27`	`apt`	`methinks beer is not just for breakfast anymore`
`09:52.27`	`dukebody`	`e17 uses his own libraries, nor gtk nor qt no?`
`09:54.39`	`TheDrex`	`maybe.I dunno.`
`09:54.55`	`pycs`	`dukebody, i think so.. to be sure ask in #e :)`
`09:55.15`	`TheDrex`	`I just use it to listen to music and watch movies`
`09:56.16`	`pycs`	`me, i use it as my main desktop, xD`
`09:56.55`	`dukebody`	`e rulez`
`09:57.39`	`dukebody`	`i'm just finishing download it, now i'll burn it, take it to the university and when i come back i'll tell you about my experience`
`09:57.40`	`pycs`	`:)`
`09:58.26`	`TheDrex`	`sounds good`
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`10:11.49`	`wasynyt`	`how do i empty trash bin or similiar in elive.. i deleted stuff with konqueror as filebrowser and they still use my drive space..`
`10:12.14`	`dukebody`	`find .trash directory`
`10:12.27`	`wasynyt`	`k`
`10:16.04`	`wasynyt`	`that did the trick.. thank you`
`10:16.53`	`TheDrex`	`I want Elive for a PDA`
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`14:16.21`	`roxville`	`hello stevoo :)`
`14:16.34`	`roxville`	`welcome to #elive!`
`14:16.59`	`roxville`	`where in sweden are you?`
`14:17.57`	`roxville`	`SteveMyers, ping`
`14:20.00`	`stevoo`	`hey there, I'm in Stockholm. :)`
`14:20.47`	`roxville`	`cool! where in stockholm?`
`14:21.16`	`roxville`	`and are you running elive, or still not checked it out?`
`14:21.58`	`stevoo`	`i live in the central parts of Stockholm. and yeah, you bet i'm running elive. i've got it installed on my harddrive. works like a charm.`
`14:22.22`	`roxville`	`awesome! have you done a dist-upgrade yet?`
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`14:24.42`	`roxville`	`stevoo, jag e svensk... också... från sthlm... men bor i södra usa nu`
`14:24.49`	`roxville`	`sist bodde jag på söder`
`14:26.30`	`stevoo`	`ah, samma h�r. jag bor p� s�der. :)`
`14:26.42`	`SteveMyers`	`morning guys, :) what's up rox you ping'd?`
`14:26.50`	`stevoo`	`erstagatan represent!`
`14:28.12`	`roxville`	`SteveMyers, cornelius[cz] just opened #linux+art why donät you join?`
`14:28.24`	`cornelius[cz]`	`#linux-art`
`14:28.28`	`cornelius[cz]`	`;)`
`14:29.00`	`roxville`	`erstagatan... hmmm jag har inte vart hemma på över 4 år... jag vet precis var det är, men... det kopplar inte`
`14:29.26`	`roxville`	`jag bodde på gjurholmsplan sist... vid ringvägen... vet du var det är?`
`14:29.33`	`stevoo`	`tv�rgata till folkungagatan`
`14:29.37`	`stevoo`	`roxville: japp`
`14:30.00`	`SteveMyers`	`thnx rox :)`
`14:30.13`	`roxville`	`javisst!... nu vet jag!`
`14:31.12`	`roxville`	`jag bodde på folkungagatan ett tag... i gamla polishuset... bredvid parken... nästan mittemot "Vitlök"`
`14:32.40`	`roxville`	`var det kocksgatan som var tvärgatan..._ hmmm toror det`
`14:32.46`	`roxville`	`tror`
`14:32.58`	`roxville`	`damn swedish charset...`
`14:36.24`	`roxville`	`ok stevoo let's keep it in english... we are allowed to speak all languages here though... it's pretty cool`
`14:36.38`	`roxville`	`mostly english, spanish and french are spoken here`
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`14:36.59`	`roxville`	`but there are a few swedes, danes and norwegians here too...`
`14:37.12`	`Gwildor`	`o/`
`14:38.06`	`roxville`	`yo Gwildor :)`
`14:38.11`	`Gwildor`	`yo`
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`14:38.47`	`Gwildor`	`i want to live in toypolis`
`14:38.49`	`stevoo`	`coolio. :)`
`14:38.55`	`Gwildor`	`toys toys everywhere`
`14:39.20`	`roxville`	`lol`
`14:39.42`	`GloubI_fr`	`nice idea no ?`
`14:39.56`	`Gwildor`	`?`
`14:40.13`	`GloubI_fr`	`no matter`
`14:40.29`	`stevoo`	`roxville: http://ninja.fetaste.com/ss.png`
`14:40.39`	`stevoo`	`that's my elive setup at the moment.`
`14:41.09`	`roxville`	`nice!`
`14:41.32`	`roxville`	`irssi too... i still run xchat`
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`14:56.36`	`withoutclass`	`helloo`
`14:58.16`	`roxville`	`stevoo, here's mine... or, it was, i changed the BG now.. http://wiki.elivecd.org/en/87`
`14:59.58`	`roxville`	`hi withoutclass ... your elive running better now?`
`15:00.07`	`withoutclass`	`yes sir ;)`
`15:00.28`	`roxville`	`awesome... gplgeek sure is a resource :)`
`15:01.07`	`withoutclass`	`with the grub fix, most of the issues i had went away, all the laptop modules seem to load properly now, like temperature`
`15:01.26`	`roxville`	`kawabunga!`
`15:01.31`	`withoutclass`	`battery seems to always show plugged in though`
`15:01.46`	`withoutclass`	`ooo`
`15:01.48`	`withoutclass`	`nm`
`15:02.01`	`withoutclass`	`just tried it again and it shows time/percentage`
`15:02.02`	`roxville`	`ok, it's agreat day here, i'm gonna take my daughter out for a bike ride... bbl`
`15:02.10`	`withoutclass`	`have fun`
`15:02.14`	`roxville`	`yeah, don't trust the modules, dude`
`15:02.29`	`roxville`	`even if they are stable... they don't always work!`
`15:02.34`	`withoutclass`	`though i must say...101% is a great amount of battery to have`
`15:02.42`	`roxville`	`:D`
`15:02.46`	`withoutclass`	`xD`
`15:02.54`	`stevoo`	`ah yes, i need to figure out why the temp and battery moduled wont work.`
`15:03.25`	`roxville`	`stevoo, happy figuring!`
`15:03.33`	`stevoo`	`thanks. :)`
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`15:37.35`	`GloubI_fr`	`hello, if anyone has installed thunderbird 1.5 on elive ?`
`15:38.11`	`withoutclass`	`have you tried evolution?`
`15:38.29`	`GloubI_fr`	`a long time ago`
`15:38.47`	`GloubI_fr`	`but i want to migrer from windows`
`15:38.54`	`withoutclass`	`i use evolution for mail, i havent tried thunderbird`
`15:39.53`	`GloubI_fr`	`if i understand, elive is based on debian`
`15:39.58`	`withoutclass`	`yes`
`15:40.51`	`GloubI_fr`	`but there is a different repository for elive`
`15:41.25`	`SteveMyers`	`anyone know how to change the skin color on midnight commander?`
`15:41.26`	`GloubI_fr`	`it was just use for e16 and e17 files ?`
`15:41.28`	`withoutclass`	`I'm not really sure about the repositories, im kind of new`
`15:42.16`	`GloubI_fr`	`me too :/`
`15:42.16`	`rookmoot_`	`elf have his own package`
`15:42.17`	`rookmoot_`	`like the panel etc...`
`15:42.17`	`rookmoot_`	`and efl package`
`15:42.24`	`rookmoot_`	`elive repo is here to provied them`
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`15:44.37`	`wasynyt`	`i think that elive repo is here to provide updates and programs that elive team considers important.. like elpanel`
`15:45.08`	`_H_`	`holas`
`15:45.18`	`_H_`	`oye, sinplomo, una pregunta`
`15:45.30`	`_H_`	`estoy haciendo un articulo sobre el Elive 0.4`
`15:45.32`	`_H_`	`estas?`
`15:46.19`	`_H_`	`sinplomo: ping`
`15:47.40`	`SteveMyers`	`anyone know how to change the skin color on midnight commander?`
`15:47.53`	`sinplomo`	`_H_, pong`
`15:47.56`	`_H_`	`holas`
`15:48.02`	`sinplomo`	`hola`
`15:48.09`	`_H_`	`una preguntita, que te mola a ti del Elive?`
`15:48.17`	`_H_`	`que te atrae?`
`15:48.31`	`sinplomo`	`la verdad es que no uso Elive`
`15:48.32`	`sinplomo`	`xDD`
`15:48.39`	`_H_`	`XDDD`
`15:48.44`	`_H_`	`ejem`
`15:48.46`	`_H_`	`veamos`
`15:48.52`	`sinplomo`	`pero mola bastante el hecho de al arrancar el liveCD tenga todo a mano`
`15:49.02`	`sinplomo`	`es decir, que no echo en falta ninguna aplicacion`
`15:49.12`	`_H_`	`aja`
`15:49.13`	`sinplomo`	`puedo hacer todo desde ahi mismo`
`15:49.22`	`sinplomo`	`desde editar un video y crear musica`
`15:49.34`	`sinplomo`	`hasta escribir textos e imprimirlos`
`15:49.41`	`_H_`	`interesante`
`15:49.48`	`sinplomo`	`incluso`
`15:49.59`	`sinplomo`	`logre hacer andar Quake 4 en Elive`
`15:50.04`	`sinplomo`	`en modo livecd ;)`
`15:50.08`	`_H_`	`ostras tio`
`15:50.15`	`_H_`	`que sorprendente`
`15:50.22`	`_H_`	`has probado tambien otros juegos?`
`15:50.41`	`sinplomo`	`no`
`15:50.47`	`sinplomo`	`mas que nada por falta de tiempo`
`15:51.07`	`sinplomo`	`supongo que no es ningun problema lanzar otros juegos como CounterStrike con wine`
`15:51.08`	`_H_`	`seria interesante saber que juegos se pueden jugar con el elive`
`15:51.08`	`sinplomo`	`:)`
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`15:51.24`	`_H_`	`alguien ha echo una lista?`
`15:51.39`	`sinplomo`	`_H_, habla con Thanatermesis`
`15:51.46`	`sinplomo`	`tengo que ir al insti`
`15:51.47`	`_H_`	`es una informacion muy valuosa para el articulo, se lo preguntare`
`15:51.49`	`sinplomo`	`hasta luego !`
`15:51.53`	`_H_`	`see u`
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`15:58.16`	`gnaunited`	`apt ping`
`15:58.17`	`apt`	`pong`
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`16:25.22`	`wasynyt`	`is the new iso torrent released (ver. 0.4.1)`
`16:40.02`	`SteveMyers`	`?`
`16:41.57`	`withoutclass`	`i dont think so`
`16:42.05`	`withoutclass`	`dont see anything on the site about the new torrent being up`
`16:42.26`	`twager`	`Is there a new torrent??..I have 0.4 and am still uploading up to 20 gig today..`
`16:42.50`	`withoutclass`	`i wish i could seed here, but my school has a bit torrect port block :(`
`16:42.59`	`warpman`	`i don't think so either... i think is 0.4`
`16:44.34`	`GloubI_fr`	`I hope so... I've just installed 0.4...`
`16:45.24`	`warpman`	`version 0.4 is the latest`
`16:46.39`	`Gwildor`	`uh-oh`
`16:47.20`	`withoutclass`	`what?`
`16:48.04`	`warpman`	`have u been to the website? have u read the docs?`
`16:48.49`	`Gwildor`	`there MIGHT be a 0.4.2 out soon`
`16:49.19`	`warpman`	`when would this happen?`
`16:50.09`	`warpman`	`is this going to happen soon?`
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`16:50.58`	`GloubI_fr`	`where do you read this ?`
`16:51.36`	`warpman`	`yeah i haven't seen anything about it`
`16:52.16`	`Gwildor`	`hehe....`
`16:52.22`	`GloubI_fr`	`:D`
`16:52.25`	`Gwildor`	`i dont read, i hear....from the master himself`
`16:52.39`	`Gwildor`	`im not saying ther IS.....jsut saying MIGHT`
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`16:53.13`	`KjellviZ`	`evnin`
`16:53.32`	`Gwildor`	`i ahvent talked to thana since yesterday...`
`16:53.52`	`warpman`	`LOL..`
`16:53.54`	`GloubI_fr`	`we are 01/03, not 01/04 ;)`
`16:54.59`	`warpman`	`bye`
`16:55.01`	`warpman`	`later`
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`16:55.38`	`kender`	`hi`
`16:56.32`	`dererk`	`wopes kender`
`16:56.45`	`kender`	`hello my lovely dererk`
`16:57.17`	`KjellviZ`	`any1 know if there is a module in that let me add a quicklink somewhere on screen to adjust main volume ?`
`16:57.32`	`KjellviZ`	`kinda like the speakericon in systray on windows`
`16:58.24`	`SteveMyers`	`can someone please test out:ftp://ftp.sphere-research.3lo.net/`
`16:58.32`	`SteveMyers`	`and tell me if you get a login page or not`
`16:58.33`	`twager`	`bye`
`16:58.59`	`SteveMyers`	`I'm uploading the torrent to my connection so more users can download the torrent file faster`
`16:59.49`	`KjellviZ`	`yup i got a login`
`16:59.56`	`GloubI_fr`	`yes me too`
`17:00.00`	`dererk`	`kender, :S`
`17:00.03`	`SteveMyers`	`I setup the anonymous access for ftp, why is this not working`
`17:00.14`	`KjellviZ`	`no idea`
`17:00.16`	`dererk`	`kender, estas efusiva hoy? :D`
`17:00.40`	`KjellviZ`	`but what u mean u gonnna set up a ftp for torrent for making it faster ?`
`17:00.41`	`kender`	`dererk, efusivA?`
`17:01.05`	`dererk`	`kender, lol`
`17:01.12`	`kender`	`xDDDDDDD`
`17:01.48`	`SteveMyers`	`to allow users to download the torrent so that the file transferring will be faster, right now it lacks speed`
`17:04.15`	`Gwildor`	`cuz ppl dont seed`
`17:04.28`	`Gwildor`	`thana doesnt have the bandwidth to make the FTP public`
`17:04.34`	`Gwildor`	`he is working on mirrors`
`17:05.11`	`SteveMyers`	`yep, I'm going to make 3 mirrors to help that process, shouldn't take long`
`17:05.39`	`Gwildor`	`you have a fast connection?....where will the mirrors be hosted?`
`17:06.53`	`SteveMyers`	`30l.net`
`17:07.00`	`SteveMyers`	`it's a 100mps`
`17:07.11`	`SteveMyers`	`sorry 3l1.net`
`17:07.16`	`SteveMyers`	`err 3lo.net`
`17:07.29`	`dererk`	`1) http://public.planetmirror.com/pub/elivelinux/isos/?fl=`
`17:07.36`	`dererk`	`2) ftp://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/pub/linux/Elive/`
`17:07.46`	`dererk`	`The most powerful mirrors`
`17:07.49`	`dererk`	`Use them`
`17:08.25`	`Gwildor`	`thnx dererk`
`17:08.27`	`Gwildor`	`:)`
`17:08.32`	`dererk`	`YW`
`17:08.41`	`GloubI_fr`	`which is the band-width minimal to do a mirror ?`
`17:09.12`	`dererk`	`GloubI_fr, You don't have to worry about it, it's already solve. Thanks.`
`17:09.32`	`dererk`	`Those two mirrors are about to support 500 clients each other`
`17:09.51`	`GloubI_fr`	`arf...`
`17:10.13`	`Gwildor`	`dererk, _tsa is also working on a mirror`
`17:10.31`	`SteveMyers`	`ok got one mirror up`
`17:11.07`	`Gwildor`	`a gig for free :)`
`17:11.10`	`Gwildor`	`not a bad find`
`17:11.34`	`SteveMyers`	`agreed`
`17:11.36`	`SteveMyers`	`:)`
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`17:14.10`	`dererk`	`Gwildor, Sorry, don't understand`
`17:14.32`	`Gwildor`	`dererk, ahh, my friend is going to be setting up a 100/100 mirror for thana soon`
`17:14.41`	`dererk`	`Great!`
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`17:31.09`	`roxville`	`wow, i've been riding the friggin bike for 2 1/2 hours?`
`17:31.11`	`withoutclass`	`yup`
`17:31.21`	`roxville`	`dayum...`
`17:31.27`	`withoutclass`	`crazy lol`
`17:31.57`	`roxville`	`charleston, sc is not the best city when it comes to bike paths, lemme tell ya... it's pretty damn horrible`
`17:32.12`	`roxville`	`and especiallay with a 3yr old in the back`
`17:32.36`	`withoutclass`	`i wish i lived....in any state but IL righ tnow`
`17:32.46`	`roxville`	`lol`
`17:33.05`	`roxville`	`it's a great day here around 75F i believe`
`17:33.17`	`roxville`	`hottest day so far this year`
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`17:33.36`	`withoutclass`	`42 here`
`17:33.49`	`withoutclass`	`i just dont like illinois, the temp doesn't bother me`
`17:33.50`	`roxville`	`raining?`
`17:33.56`	`roxville`	`ok`
`17:34.01`	`withoutclass`	`supposed to rain tonight maybe?`
`17:34.04`	`withoutclass`	`i dont remember`
`17:34.19`	`roxville`	`well 42 and raining is never fun`
`17:34.42`	`withoutclass`	`i like rain ;)`
`17:35.03`	`roxville`	`i do too... but not at 42 degrees`
`17:36.02`	`withoutclass`	`true haha`
`17:39.39`	`withoutclass`	`i wish i had something more to do than play video games`
`17:39.46`	`withoutclass`	`more productive*`
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`17:49.52`	`lestat`	`hi *`
`17:49.57`	`lestat`	`Thanatermesis: ping`
`17:50.14`	`Thanatermesis`	`lestat pong`
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`17:51.19`	`lestat`	`Thanatermesis: my elive box runs accelerated ATI drivers, now :)`
`17:51.35`	`Elive_user`	`Anyone upgraded to 2.6.15-1-686 and having audio problems?`
`17:51.35`	`lestat`	`Thanatermesis: but I had to build the Debian/experimental package`
`17:52.00`	`lestat`	`Elive_user: I'm running that, no problems since I re-ran alsaconf`
`17:52.04`	`Thanatermesis`	`lestat the ati thing is solved actually on Elive`
`17:52.10`	`Thanatermesis`	`you just need to upgrade the packages or...`
`17:52.27`	`Thanatermesis`	`http://elivecd.org/gb/Help/Bugs/ <--- here is described how`
`17:52.34`	`lestat`	`ah, ok :)`
`17:53.23`	`lestat`	`I went idle for quite a time (there was an IT convention here, and I had to organize it), and I wanted you to know how far I went`
`17:53.43`	`lestat`	`(sorry for my english.uglify() function :P )`
`17:54.16`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt x en es how far i went`
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`17:54.34`	`Thanatermesis`	`ah ok :)`
`17:55.02`	`Thanatermesis`	`gplgeek has look more about the ati thing... because the version 8.22 not works good, mistake's the version of xorg`
`17:55.12`	`Thanatermesis`	`but he has found the problem solved on 8.20`
`17:55.32`	`Thanatermesis`	`and actually is upgraded and running :) a release of 0.4.2 is very soon ;)`
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`17:57.39`	`lestat`	`Thanatermesis: I'm running 8.22.5, the x.org version mismatch happens if you compile Debian/testing or Debian/unstable package, with Debian/experimental you actually can run x.org >=6.9`
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`17:58.31`	`Thanatermesis`	`heh, this is very weird..`
`17:58.35`	`Thanatermesis`	`how we know ?`
`17:58.38`	`withoutclass`	`for the fglrx drivers to work, do i need to first set xorg to use them instead of the radeon driver, then use the fix?`
`17:58.59`	`Thanatermesis`	`and of course is more hard if i don't have a ATI card for test :/`
`17:59.14`	`Thanatermesis`	`withoutclass you have ATI card ?`
`17:59.17`	`withoutclass`	`yes`
`17:59.25`	`lestat`	`Thanatermesis: I have one, I'm giving feedback, indeed :)`
`17:59.26`	`Thanatermesis`	`and you have installed the system in "radeon", yes ?`
`17:59.32`	`withoutclass`	`yes`
`17:59.47`	`Thanatermesis`	`lestat yes.. i only thing to not is easy to make the packages and can't be posible to test, hehe`
`17:59.57`	`lestat`	`withoutclass: you should have an 'aticonfig' command`
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`18:00.14`	`Thanatermesis`	`withoutclass ok.. .all is described in the webpage, i hope to works, if not, tell me, just read the instructions about the installed system here: http://elivecd.org/gb/Help/Bugs/`
`18:00.25`	`withoutclass`	`ok, thanks`
`18:01.11`	`withoutclass`	`aticonfig is not a command :(`
`18:02.06`	`Thanatermesis`	`_H_ perdona, acabo de llegar... juegos, tienes una lista de todos los paquetes aqui http://elivecd.org/gb/Packages_0.4/ pero no olvidemos que es una debian y que se puede instalar cualquiera ;) ah.. y no te olvides de poner que tiene cinelerra 2.0, eso si que es una exclusiva, no creo que ninguna distro lo tenga aun.. no estaria mal meter tambien este screenshot: http://elivecd.org/gb/Download/0.4/_images/cinelerra-2-b.jpg`
`18:02.22`	`_H_`	`holas`
`18:02.38`	`Thanatermesis`	`withoutclass use the "elive" way better, is more prepaired for fix it on Elive and also if don't works, then you have reported a bug :)`
`18:02.42`	`Thanatermesis`	`argh`
`18:02.56`	`_H_`	`tomo nota thanatermesis, ahora lo incluyo`
`18:03.29`	`_H_`	`thanatermesis`
`18:03.33`	`Thanatermesis`	`yo`
`18:03.39`	`_H_`	`eso que me pasas es poco visual`
`18:03.43`	`_H_`	`solo se ve el cinelerra`
`18:04.03`	`_H_`	`no te parece mejor que se vea el cinelerra como ventana dentro del entorno ?`
`18:04.05`	`Thanatermesis`	`ya... pero el cinelerra es una buena exclusiva, jeje`
`18:04.16`	`_H_`	`ponlo si puede ser en un e17`
`18:04.26`	`Thanatermesis`	`hombre... nose.. es que el cinelerra "debe" de verse bien... es un programa muy grande`
`18:04.33`	`Thanatermesis`	`voy a probar, dame un segundo`
`18:04.35`	`_H_`	`vale, miro a ver`
`18:04.59`	`_H_`	`ostras tio, la imagen es enorme :)`
`18:05.16`	`_H_`	`bueno, que hacemos?`
`18:05.23`	`_H_`	`la meto asi?`
`18:05.32`	`Thanatermesis`	`pse, metela asi.. ya habran imagenes de Elive ;)`
`18:05.42`	`Thanatermesis`	`alli muestras la exclusiva de cinelera.. no hay que mostrar mas ;)`
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`18:07.48`	`_H_`	`quiero algo del e17`
`18:07.58`	`_H_`	`alguna captura que destacarias?`
`18:08.00`	`Thanatermesis`	`_H_ mira en http://thana.no-ip.org/upload los "activex" "steam" "curioso", son de juegos de windows`
`18:08.02`	`_H_`	`tienes alguna con un juego?`
`18:08.05`	`_H_`	`aja`
`18:08.16`	`_H_`	`tienes una lista de juegos de windows que pueden jugarse?`
`18:08.21`	`_H_`	`seria genial`
`18:08.22`	`Thanatermesis`	`http://elivecd.org/gb/Main/Screenshots/_images/demos-1.jpg`
`18:08.34`	`Thanatermesis`	`http://elivecd.org/gb/Main/Screenshots/_images/demos-2.jpg`
`18:08.44`	`Thanatermesis`	`pues no... es algo muy experimental la verdad`
`18:08.47`	`lestat`	`Thanatermesis: my eem doesn't work...`
`18:08.48`	`lestat`	`:(`
`18:08.57`	`Thanatermesis`	`http://elivecd.org/gb/Main/Screenshots/_images/office-3.jpg`
`18:09.07`	`Thanatermesis`	`lestat just press "enter" after to are launched`
`18:09.14`	`lestat`	`AH!`
`18:09.17`	`lestat`	`ok :)`
`18:09.33`	`Thanatermesis`	`http://elivecd.org/gb/Main/Screenshots/_images/theme-japan-2.jpg`
`18:09.46`	`lestat`	`another thing: evolume module doesn't work, for now, on my e17`
`18:09.58`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt e17`
`18:09.59`	`apt`	`rumour has it, e17 is IN DEVELOPEMENT, and this is the same to NOT FINISHED, and also thinks to some parts works, and some parts not works, some things are user-friendly, and another not very`
`18:10.00`	`Thanatermesis`	`http://elivecd.org/gb/Main/Screenshots/_images/evidence.jpg`
`18:10.03`	`lestat`	`is there some updated version?`
`18:10.22`	`lestat`	`yeah, I know!`
`18:11.14`	`Thanatermesis`	`esos son los mejores para mi _H_, tienes eleccion ;)`
`18:11.14`	`Thanatermesis`	`lestat maybe a updated version works.... maybe now... its in developement :)`
`18:11.14`	`Thanatermesis`	`maybe no*`
`18:11.18`	`Thanatermesis`	`http://elivecd.org/gb/Main/Screenshots/_images/E16-horizon-1.jpg`
`18:12.19`	`lestat`	`Thanatermesis: anyway, good work on Elive... the panel should be added to e17 :)`
`18:12.59`	`r2`	`How can I troubleshoot non working sound (worked before I upgraded to 2.6.15-1-686)?`
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`18:13.37`	`Thanatermesis`	`thanks lestat :)`
`18:13.40`	`lestat`	`r2: alsaconf`
`18:13.47`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt x en es the panel should be added to e17`
`18:13.59`	`Thanatermesis`	`hehehe`
`18:14.09`	`Thanatermesis`	`elpanel is "the center of control" of Elive`
`18:14.18`	`Thanatermesis`	`no just for e16 or e17, but for all... desktop and system`
`18:14.24`	`r2`	`alsaconf goes trhough just fine. But I can't use xmms or mplayer afterwards...`
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`18:14.49`	`goldstein`	`hey guys`
`18:14.51`	`r2`	`I did update udev yester (for all that matters)...`
`18:15.03`	`goldstein`	`help me please..`
`18:15.10`	`r2`	`erm that should have been yesterday :-)`
`18:15.13`	`Thanatermesis`	`goldstein just ask :)`
`18:15.28`	`Thanatermesis`	`r2 and you can play from another media program ?`
`18:15.29`	`goldstein`	`when i try to modprobe ndiswrapper, it says Module doesnt exist`
`18:15.36`	`goldstein`	`but it does..`
`18:15.40`	`Thanatermesis`	`you can be posible to launch the mixer ?`
`18:16.02`	`goldstein`	`root@hal[/home/nuno]# modprobe ndiswrapper`
`18:16.02`	`goldstein`	`FATAL: Module ndiswrapper not found.`
`18:16.03`	`Thanatermesis`	`goldstein in the installed system ?`
`18:16.15`	`goldstein`	`yes, in live cd mode it works..`
`18:16.28`	`Thanatermesis`	`goldstein apt-cache search ndiswrapper 2.6.12 ;)`
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`18:17.07`	`goldstein`	`root@hal[/home/nuno]# apt-cache search ndiswrapper 2.6.12`
`18:17.07`	`goldstein`	`ndiswrapper-modules-2.6.12 - Ndiswrapper linux kernel module`
`18:17.10`	`lestat`	`with 2.6.15 module doesn't build`
`18:17.14`	`goldstein`	`but the error persists:/`
`18:17.15`	`withoutclass`	`fglrx now enabled ;)`
`18:17.16`	`lestat`	`(at least on my system)`
`18:17.51`	`Thanatermesis`	`lol goldstein`
`18:17.54`	`Thanatermesis`	`install this package`
`18:18.04`	`Thanatermesis`	`you don't have the module in your system.. this is why don't works`
`18:18.28`	`Thanatermesis`	`withoutclass with the way of the elivecd.org site ?`
`18:18.34`	`withoutclass`	`yes`
`18:18.35`	`goldstein`	`Thanatermesis, sorry, what module?`
`18:18.36`	`withoutclass`	`with the script`
`18:18.43`	`goldstein`	`what oackage i mean`
`18:19.02`	`_H_`	`thanatermesis necesito una imagen con un juego de windows funcionando`
`18:19.10`	`_H_`	`uno que no de problemas y sea muy vistoso`
`18:19.15`	`Thanatermesis`	`goldstein the result of apt-cache search ndiswrapper 2.6.12`
`18:19.22`	`Thanatermesis`	`withoutclass perfect! :)`
`18:19.25`	`goldstein`	`ok`
`18:19.38`	`withoutclass`	`thanatermesis: you're perfect xD`
`18:19.48`	`Thanatermesis`	`_H_ pues nose :S es que yo de juegos de windows.... voy a ver si tengo el resident evil por aqui, que creo que me lo bajé`
`18:19.57`	`Thanatermesis`	`lol withoutclass, no... i don't think`
`18:20.24`	`withoutclass`	`hehe`
`18:20.28`	`goldstein`	`cool Thanatermesis !`
`18:20.43`	`goldstein`	`i ll be back in a minute!`
`18:20.49`	`lestat`	`brb`
`18:22.07`	`withoutclass`	`haha`
`18:22.38`	`r2`	`no audio app works, so I guess it's the device...`
`18:23.09`	`r2`	`But it worked flawlessly before the upgrade :-(`
`18:23.17`	`Thanatermesis`	`r2 and booting with another kernel works ?`
`18:23.33`	`r2`	`well I can try going back to the old one...`
`18:23.42`	`r2`	`(worked yesterday :-)`
`18:24.03`	`r2`	`I guess my question is, do you have sound with 2.6.15?`
`18:24.30`	`Thanatermesis`	`i don't have tested for this moments`
`18:25.15`	`r2`	`remember a conversation about udev yesterday?`
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`18:25.22`	`withoutclass`	`thanatermesis, when i boot my computer with a USB Hard Drive already on and plugged in, sub directories do not show up, but if i unplug the hard drive, and then plug it back in, they show up`
`18:25.28`	`r2`	`do you think it could have to do with it?`
`18:25.54`	`goldstein`	`eheh! it works now! thanks Thanatermesis`
`18:26.02`	`Thanatermesis`	`:)`
`18:26.06`	`withoutclass`	`thanatermesis for president`
`18:26.08`	`withoutclass`	`xD`
`18:26.17`	`goldstein`	`its a fresh install here, im testing things`
`18:26.20`	`Thanatermesis`	`goldstein for the 0.5 release... all drivers included in both systems, both systems with the 2.6.15 ;)`
`18:26.25`	`Thanatermesis`	`lol withoutclass`
`18:27.02`	`_H_`	`thanatermesis: este es e17? http://elivecd.org/gb/Main/Screenshots/_images/demos-1.jpg`
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`18:27.53`	`Thanatermesis`	`_H_ si, el look de default... en parte estaria bien meter ese para mostrar el look de default en Elive ;)`
`18:28.19`	`Thanatermesis`	`y si quieres... puedes comentar que las estrellas del wallpaper (como se puede ver en el shot), parpadean, aparecen y desaparecen, hay como unas 30`
`18:28.23`	`_H_`	`ok, la pongo, pero no pongo ninguna con juegos y estaria muy bien que hubiese una de una de las cosas mas llamativas`
`18:28.33`	`Thanatermesis`	`incluso hay una serie que hacen la forma perfecta de la osa mayor xD`
`18:28.47`	`_H_`	`aja, bonito detalle :)`
`18:29.06`	`Thanatermesis`	`ya sabes que me gusta cuidar los detalles ;)`
`18:29.33`	`_H_`	`pues andando, necesitamos una con un juego vistosito :))`
`18:30.40`	`Thanatermesis`	`voy a intentar hacerte eso en un momento _H_, dame un segundo a ver que encuentro (no tengo muchos juegos :/)`
`18:31.08`	`_H_`	`dimelo a mi :)))`
`18:31.29`	`Thanatermesis`	`_H_ si quieres comenta que hay emuladores varios, de juegos de lucasarts, emulador de DOS, emulador de supernintendo... no hay demasiados pero en el repo hay mas, creo que incluso de game cube o neo geo`
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`18:34.08`	`goldstein`	`Thanatermesis, why didnt you inlcude firefox 1.5?`
`18:34.28`	`Elaptop`	`Thanatermesis, i'm done downloading and just woke up`
`18:34.34`	`Thanatermesis`	`goldstein if you say me a good thing of this version... maybe i include it`
`18:34.51`	`goldstein`	`lol...auto update:)`
`18:34.54`	`Thanatermesis`	`Elaptop = gplgeek ?`
`18:35.08`	`Elaptop`	`ya`
`18:35.13`	`Thanatermesis`	`goldstein "auto update" ?`
`18:35.17`	`Thanatermesis`	`good Elaptop :)`
`18:35.24`	`Elaptop`	`there are many good things about 1.5`
`18:35.31`	`Thanatermesis`	`im also... just back to the cmoputer :)`
`18:35.34`	`Elaptop`	`extensions, compatability`
`18:35.37`	`Elaptop`	`speed`
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`18:35.48`	`Thanatermesis`	`but i think to 1.5 not is very stable, correct ?`
`18:36.11`	`Elaptop`	`no`
`18:36.24`	`Elaptop`	`it's never given me a problem`
`18:36.29`	`goldstein`	`i never noticed ..`
`18:36.48`	`Elaptop`	`has anyone noticed any problems with ff 1.5?`
`18:36.51`	`goldstein`	`i notice better rendering in some sites`
`18:36.58`	`Thanatermesis`	`Elaptop is posible to make a screenshot of a game playing it.. a thing more visual, a knowed game (no fullscreen, needs to look the Elive desktop)`
`18:37.18`	`Thanatermesis`	`i don't think to its difficult to include firefox1.5`
`18:37.27`	`Thanatermesis`	`maybe for this 0.4.2`
`18:37.31`	`withoutclass`	`./sigh if only firefox had mouse gestures like opera`
`18:37.36`	`Thanatermesis`	`very ppl ask me about it.. then, why not ?`
`18:37.40`	`GPLGeek`	`Yes I'm going to do that, I have to figure out where this game stores screenshots`
`18:37.59`	`Thanatermesis`	`withoutclass and render same to opera... you have opera now ?`
`18:38.06`	`GPLGeek`	`I have some games installing as screenshots but did not have time to download the 8gb of data it takes`
`18:38.17`	`Thanatermesis`	`lol`
`18:38.19`	`withoutclass`	`i do not have opera right now on elive`
`18:38.33`	`Thanatermesis`	`withoutclass if you install it.. i show you a thing ;)`
`18:38.50`	`withoutclass`	`thanatermesis i dont wanna see your thing`
`18:38.51`	`withoutclass`	`xD`
`18:38.57`	`SteveMyers`	`O.o`
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`18:39.03`	`Thanatermesis`	`lool`
`18:39.09`	`withoutclass`	`hahaha`
`18:39.19`	`goldstein`	`withoutclass, there are good extensions for gestures`
`18:39.29`	`withoutclass`	`hmm`
`18:39.35`	`withoutclass`	`wtf`
`18:39.40`	`goldstein`	`pretty stupid question, how do i set up time in elapse?`
`18:39.42`	`withoutclass`	`wang? O_o`
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`18:39.53`	`Wang`	`this is my name and someone changed the pw`
`18:40.00`	`withoutclass`	`ahh`
`18:40.20`	`withoutclass`	`is opera available through apt?`
`18:40.55`	`Thanatermesis`	`withoutclass no but... from the site of opera... in .deb packages (debian etch)`
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`18:41.13`	`Thanatermesis`	`maybe i can add it to the Elive repository... if the license don't show any problem for this...`
`18:41.17`	`withoutclass`	`thanatermesis, i was already heading to the site, just trying to maybe save some time`
`18:41.22`	`Thanatermesis`	`i think to dererk has look about this licencse`
`18:43.00`	`withoutclass`	`i found a repository with opera in it`
`18:43.19`	`withoutclass`	`the website is not loading for me so i am going to add the repository and try through apt`
`18:43.55`	`Thanatermesis`	`o_O`
`18:43.59`	`_H_`	`thanatermesis, ue es el enlightenment for embedded?`
`18:44.21`	`Thanatermesis`	`_H_ esa es solo una aplicacion de demo.. es "un juguete", una demo de lo que seria enlightenment para PDA's`
`18:44.36`	`Thanatermesis`	`y que por cierto se puede instalar en una pda :)`
`18:45.23`	`_H_`	`suena bien :)`
`18:45.29`	`_H_`	`de vicio`
`18:45.31`	`_H_`	`:)`
`18:45.45`	`Thanatermesis`	`esta en Elive y se puede probar directamente ;)`
`18:45.50`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt x en es fingel`
`18:46.06`	`Fingel`	`all of my names have been changed on there passwords`
`18:46.11`	`Fingel`	`:p`
`18:46.19`	`Fingel`	`been 2 years so I can see why`
`18:46.22`	`Fingel`	`;)`
`18:46.24`	`withoutclass`	`sucky`
`18:47.52`	`_H_`	`thanatermesis, dame tu email y te envio como esta quedando, a ver si asi te animo a que me envies la captura con un juego :)`
`18:48.08`	`Thanatermesis`	`no no ... si estoy en ello xD`
`18:48.34`	`Thanatermesis`	`mandamelo luego... cuando lo tengas un poco mas "terminado" para hacerle un repasito general y tal`
`18:49.08`	`_H_`	`hazme caso, vas a querer verlo como esta ahora :)`
`18:49.18`	`_H_`	`ya falta poco`
`18:49.33`	`Thanatermesis`	`ok entonces :)`
`18:49.39`	`Thanatermesis`	`thanatermesis.elive de gmail`
`18:49.48`	`_H_`	`mas que nada me falta, esa imagen, la lista de contenidos clave y algun comentario, y lo que mejora esta version de la anterior. Luego referencias y listos`
`18:50.48`	`Thanatermesis`	`_H_ las principales diferencias entre esta version y la anterior, las tienes todas aqui (en castellano) http://elivecd.org/es/Principal/Acerca_de/`
`18:52.10`	`_H_`	`al final no ha sido en modo encuesta, ha sido mas vien con algunos comentarios, me gusta mas asi`
`18:52.19`	`Thanatermesis`	`any person knows a cedega .deb pacakge ?`
`18:52.38`	`Thanatermesis`	`:)`
`18:54.25`	`withoutclass`	`should i download opera for sarge?`
`18:55.05`	`Thanatermesis`	`Elive = etch`
`18:55.14`	`Thanatermesis`	`yes, is in the list on the opera webpage`
`18:57.32`	`_H_`	`thanatermesis, fichero en camino, echale un vistazo y me dices "me gusta" :)`
`18:57.43`	`Thanatermesis`	`_H_ http://thanatermesis.no-ip.org/tmp/shots/nada-borrar3.jpg`
`18:57.48`	`_H_`	`voy`
`18:57.52`	`GloubI_fr`	`Thanatermesis, if you put Firefox 1.5, adding Thunderbird 1.5 will be a good thing...`
`18:58.18`	`_H_`	`y al firefox metele plugings que tiene muchos muy guapos :))`
`18:58.20`	`Thanatermesis`	`hehe, i need to make a look... i need to are sure to not has any dependency problems`
`18:58.24`	`Thanatermesis`	`and reverse dependencies`
`18:58.33`	`_H_`	`thanatermesis, esa imagen no me vale`
`18:58.40`	`_H_`	`tiene que ser con el juego en activo`
`18:58.42`	`_H_`	`jugandose`
`18:58.44`	`_H_`	`es posible?`
`18:58.57`	`_H_`	`si no pues nada, pero si si, ya estas tardando XDDD`
`18:59.08`	`Thanatermesis`	`voy a probar`
`18:59.14`	`_H_`	`con muñequitos que se mueven y cosas asi`
`18:59.29`	`_H_`	`disparos y pijadas de las tipicas de juegos`
`19:02.23`	`withoutclass`	`at this rate it will take me 2 hrs to get opera`
`19:02.27`	`withoutclass`	`website so sloowww`
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`19:04.05`	`Elive_user25`	`wow ca sinstalle comment ce super OS!`
`19:05.00`	`GPLGeek`	`the screenshots do not look as good as they do on the screen when im playing`
`19:05.22`	`Thanatermesis`	`Elive_user25 tu click sur le dernier icone de ton dock ;)`
`19:05.47`	`GloubI_fr`	`et tu suis les inscriptions ;)`
`19:05.52`	`Elive_user25`	`how to install this super OS`
`19:05.55`	`GloubI_fr`	`trop facile !`
`19:05.59`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek im trying to intall resident evil 2 but says "please insert the cd 1"`
`19:05.59`	`GPLGeek`	`Thanatermesis, http://thana.no-ip.org/upload/EliveBF.jpg`
`19:06.07`	`Thanatermesis`	`Elive_user25 tu click sur le dernier icone de ton dock ;)`
`19:06.16`	`GPLGeek`	`stupid 'safedisk' stuff`
`19:06.20`	`GPLGeek`	`copy write protection`
`19:06.34`	`_H_`	`bueno, me voy a la quedada bulmera, espero noticias tuyas por email y asi no tengo que buscarlas`
`19:06.36`	`_H_`	`see u all`
`19:06.47`	`Thanatermesis`	`_H_ espera`
`19:06.58`	`Thanatermesis`	`_H_ que tal este ? http://thana.no-ip.org/upload/EliveBF.jpg`
`19:07.11`	`Thanatermesis`	`yes GPLGeek, very ugly :/ what i need to make then ?`
`19:07.12`	`_H_`	`voy`
`19:07.30`	`_H_`	`y eso?`
`19:07.36`	`Elive_user25`	`merci! ca merite un article sur QuebecOS!`
`19:07.46`	`Thanatermesis`	`_H_ pues una captura de un juego que GPLGeek a hecho ;)`
`19:07.53`	`_H_`	`no se puede jugar sin que haya mas jugadores?`
`19:07.58`	`GPLGeek`	`I wonder if winehq has information about safedisk`
`19:08.03`	`Thanatermesis`	`Elive_user25 si il sort le article, passe le link, j'aime bien de les avoire ;)`
`19:08.07`	`_H_`	`ah, thankx gplgeek`
`19:08.17`	`GPLGeek`	`De nada.`
`19:08.38`	`_H_`	`GPLGeek, can u... ejem, puedes ponerlo a jugar y capturalo disparando o algo asi?`
`19:08.49`	`Elive_user25`	`ah t en fait pas tu le sauras par Distrowatch!`
`19:09.11`	`_H_`	`can you please put that game to run and capture one image with some shots?`
`19:09.12`	`Thanatermesis`	`Elive_user25 tu et en comunication avec distrowatch ?`
`19:09.33`	`GPLGeek`	`Ok`
`19:10.16`	`Elive_user25`	`oui je suis le webmestre de QuebecOS`
`19:10.29`	`_H_`	`que juego es ese?`
`19:10.34`	`Thanatermesis`	`Elive_user25 canada ? je viens de upgrader hier le configurator de keyboard que a parament pour le canada il marchait pas bien... si tu a un probleme avec ou c'est pas la bonne conf fait le moi savoire, de toute maniere... la version 0.4.2 elle et tresp proche avec tout les ptits details fixée ;)`
`19:11.02`	`Elive_user25`	`un de nos membres nous a suggere de l essayer`
`19:11.11`	`Thanatermesis`	`:)`
`19:11.26`	`Elive_user25`	`trop cool E17!`
`19:11.28`	`GPLGeek`	`the problem is the screenshot button is broken`
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`19:11.51`	`Thanatermesis`	`Elive_user25 tu poura dire que Elive c'est la seule distro qui sait lancer des CDs de windows automatiquement (tu met un jeux, tu le installe, et tu joue ;)) http://wiki.elivecd.org/es/79`
`19:12.03`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek what finally about the "-opengl" option for wine ?`
`19:12.14`	`KjellviZ`	`good evning`
`19:12.23`	`KjellviZ`	`evening*`
`19:12.31`	`GPLGeek`	`probably dont include it unless needed`
`19:12.36`	`Elive_user25`	`vraiment`
`19:12.36`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek try then "sleep 20 ; capturar name" (wait 20 seconds and capture a screenshot of your X)`
`19:12.49`	`KjellviZ`	`are there any hotkeys for jumping between desktops in e17 ?`
`19:12.53`	`GPLGeek`	`it takes a LONG time to get into the game`
`19:12.58`	`GPLGeek`	`over a minute`
`19:13.00`	`Thanatermesis`	`Elive_user25 oui.. si tu le installe (car tu a besoin pour ça de le kernel de la installation, pas du liveCD), tu le verra ;)`
`19:13.30`	`Thanatermesis`	`Elive_user25 mais peut etre ça pourait marcher si tu met un CD maintenant (si tu a un device libre), peut etre ça marche aussi dans le mode liveCD`
`19:13.47`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek set 120 seconds then lol`
`19:13.59`	`Thanatermesis`	`<GPLGeek> probably dont include it unless needed`
`19:14.11`	`Elive_user25`	`ok je procede a l installation`
`19:14.12`	`Thanatermesis`	`just for more compatibility to the autolauncher's of windows type CD's`
`19:14.21`	`KjellviZ`	`anyone ?`
`19:14.27`	`Thanatermesis`	`the 95 % of ppl of like's to put a windows CD'.... is for a game`
`19:14.33`	`withoutclass`	`yea`
`19:14.44`	`Thanatermesis`	`KjellviZ alt + shift + cursors`
`19:14.46`	`roxville`	`KjellviZ, just scroll mouse wheel on the desktop`
`19:14.55`	`roxville`	`or what thana said`
`19:15.02`	`GPLGeek`	`Thanatermesis, it loads for EVER`
`19:15.08`	`KjellviZ`	`no scroll on a laptop =P`
`19:15.09`	`GPLGeek`	`would be longer even than 120`
`19:15.16`	`KjellviZ`	`but thanks Thanatermesis`
`19:15.20`	`KjellviZ`	`=)`
`19:15.20`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek oh.. -opengl is more slow ?`
`19:15.27`	`wasynyt`	`what makes it slower?`
`19:15.32`	`Elive_user25`	`installation trop facile!`
`19:15.40`	`Thanatermesis`	`Elive_user25 in any case... the isntalled system is a lot better than the liveCD mode ;)`
`19:15.51`	`GPLGeek`	`Thanatermesis, some apps don't like opengl`
`19:15.53`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek is the iso 0.4.1 posible downloadable ?`
`19:16.01`	`GPLGeek`	`Thanatermesis, the user can figure out this option on their own`
`19:16.12`	`Thanatermesis`	`Elive_user25 just a important thing... in the languages selector don't selec the first english (fixed for the coming soon upgrade)`
`19:16.28`	`Thanatermesis`	`ok GPLGeek`
`19:16.50`	`GPLGeek`	`you want me to let somone download the iso?`
`19:17.08`	`_H_`	`thanatermesis? que tienes algo disparando ya?`
`19:17.14`	`GPLGeek`	`who needs it`
`19:17.15`	`_H_`	`me tengo que ir :)`
`19:17.23`	`Elive_user25`	`je viens de me claquer une archlinux et je me petais la tete sur mon desk!`
`19:17.28`	`_H_`	`ya me lo envias por email ok?`
`19:17.29`	`Thanatermesis`	`maybe... is just a question, if any person likes to download "now" Elive... and this version has ATI, langauges and some things fixed...`
`19:17.34`	`_H_`	`see u all`
`19:17.41`	`wasynyt`	`if the torrent is relesed i would want it`
`19:17.43`	`GPLGeek`	`make a torrent?`
`19:17.48`	`Thanatermesis`	`but in any case GPLGeek, i think to very coming soon i release it... i just need to know to all works good :)`
`19:18.04`	`GPLGeek`	`I just finished burning it`
`19:18.09`	`GPLGeek`	`I was just about to test it myself`
`19:18.15`	`Thanatermesis`	`_H_ no, perdona.. no tengo nada.. probe de meter el juego pero no hay manera, quizas te consigo un pinball, en un rato te lo pruebo ;)`
`19:18.19`	`roxville`	`i'd like to d/l it too`
`19:18.30`	`Thanatermesis`	`<Elive_user25> je viens de me claquer une archlinux et je me petais la tete sur mon desk!`
`19:18.31`	`Thanatermesis`	`lol`
`19:18.39`	`roxville`	`GPLGeek, priv me the url`
`19:18.40`	`GPLGeek`	`Ok I can make a torrent for it in a minute`
`19:18.50`	`wasynyt`	`ok..`
`19:19.01`	`Thanatermesis`	`wasynyt no torrent.. and this is 0.4.1, i need to release 0.4.2 (the same, but for for the end-user) :)`
`19:19.20`	`Thanatermesis`	`but but but but...`
`19:19.24`	`wasynyt`	`k`
`19:19.29`	`roxville`	`:)`
`19:19.34`	`GPLGeek`	`I would just like to make a torrent because it would help the speed since like everyone in the channel wants it`
`19:19.34`	`Thanatermesis`	`maybe i release it this night if no has any problem`
`19:20.04`	`gr8nash`	`any changelogs for 4.1 and for the new 4.2?`
`19:20.15`	`Thanatermesis`	`i think to before to the torrent is finished to download for anybody, 0.4.2 has released lol`
`19:20.49`	`Thanatermesis`	`gr8nash 0.4.1 is 0.4 with all the bugs know for now fixed, and 0.4.2 is the same to 0.4.1 but with the "little details perfect for the end-user)`
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`19:21.13`	`GPLGeek`	`that's what im thinking`
`19:21.14`	`Thanatermesis`	`for example, in 0.4.1 langconf not launch (just ugprade it), because in reality, 0.4.1 is just a test version for beta-test`
`19:21.16`	`gr8nash`	`Thanatermesis, can you just apt-get upgrade`
`19:21.20`	`gr8nash`	`to get 4.2?`
`19:21.38`	`Thanatermesis`	`gr8nash if your 0.4 works without any problem... you don't need really it :)`
`19:22.00`	`Thanatermesis`	`has all the bugs of the bugs list fixed, ati supported again, the sudo ugly thing totally deleted...e tc`
`19:22.39`	`wasynyt`	`why is sudo deleted?`
`19:22.42`	`gr8nash`	`Thanatermesis, but will future releases be apt-get'able?`
`19:23.02`	`gr8nash`	`just trying to understand the elive system as it develops`
`19:23.16`	`gr8nash`	`dont care either way =)`
`19:23.34`	`Thanatermesis`	`wasynyt some persons has problems with the minimal sudo configuration for the default user in the installation... this things is totally deleted, if needs powers of root, then ask about the root password, simply and eficiently, in the good way :)`
`19:23.54`	`wasynyt`	`true`
`19:23.56`	`wasynyt`	`:D`
`19:24.23`	`Thanatermesis`	`gr8nash all the packages are apt-get' able, but maybe not all is from apt-get, for example the installer installs in another way, maybe a configuration in your installed system... (this things not is apt-getable)`
`19:24.41`	`wasynyt`	`but could it bee possible to configure sound & network without root priviledges?`
`19:24.56`	`goldstein`	`Thanatermesis, the usb automounter is sweet`
`19:25.01`	`Thanatermesis`	`wasynyt you need root privileges for it`
`19:25.13`	`Thanatermesis`	`or maybe adding you in the group of admin.. i don't know`
`19:25.19`	`withoutclass`	`the usb automounter is sweet...until you boot with the usb plugged in`
`19:25.25`	`Thanatermesis`	`goldstein put a windows CD then ;) lol`
`19:25.27`	`withoutclass`	`in which case you need to take it out and reconnect it`
`19:25.34`	`wasynyt`	`it just would be nice feature`
`19:25.40`	`goldstein`	`i dont thin have any here:p`
`19:25.41`	`goldstein`	`lol`
`19:25.47`	`Thanatermesis`	`hehe`
`19:26.34`	`withoutclass`	`thanatermesis you know of usb mount problem?`
`19:26.46`	`Thanatermesis`	`withoutclass no... what problem =?`
`19:26.58`	`Thanatermesis`	`in the liveCD mode or the installed mode ?`
`19:27.35`	`withoutclass`	`thanatermesis, when i boot into installed mode with my USB drive already plugged in, sub directories of sda1 do not show up, but if i take it out and plug it back in, they show up`
`19:28.23`	`Thanatermesis`	`withoutclass maybe... in any case the system needs to are totally booted for manage it correctly`
`19:28.47`	`withoutclass`	`ok`
`19:29.23`	`goldstein`	`i just tryied to install voipbuster. i told it to Open With Wine`
`19:29.37`	`goldstein`	`it installed, but i dont know where!`
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`19:32.37`	`Thanatermesis`	`Rasko\|nikov !`
`19:33.12`	`goldstein`	`hum..the install works but the program no`
`19:33.50`	`Lightning_ThB`	`It's in your virtual drive, probably. Check where it is (your virtual drive) at your config file at ~/.wine`
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`19:34.17`	`goldstein`	`thx Lightning_ThB`
`19:34.24`	`goldstein`	`but it doesnt work`
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`19:36.20`	`Lightning_ThB`	`Pity...`
`19:36.22`	`_Strider`	`I used to be able (in 17) to right click the icon at the top of program window and edit or create the .eap icon. Now it won't let me anymore...when I try and choose the icon it calls up gimp. Then it makes the .eap file , but the .eap file cannot be seen in entangle.`
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`19:37.11`	`grandgagnon`	`bonjour je suis de retour, j'étais sous elive tout a l'heure`
`19:37.21`	`grandgagnon`	`je suis le webmestre de Qos`
`19:37.44`	`grandgagnon`	`l'installeur m'a indiqué de ne pas utiliser de logiciel durant l'installation`
`19:38.18`	`grandgagnon`	`donc, je suis sur mon portable sous Ubunth`
`19:38.47`	`grandgagnon`	`combien de temps dure une installation? car je trouve cela long`
`19:41.49`	`Thanatermesis`	`grandgagnon tu peut la canceler si tu veux, oui c¡'est long`
`19:41.52`	`Thanatermesis`	`upgrade le installeur`
`19:42.06`	`Thanatermesis`	`et quand il te demande a propos de la instalation SLOW, dit lui "cancel"`
`19:42.12`	`Thanatermesis`	`et ça sera beaucup plus vitte ;)`
`19:42.19`	`grandgagnon`	`ah!`
`19:42.25`	`Thanatermesis`	`tout ça il et fixée de toute maniere pour la version upgradée 0.4.2`
`19:42.28`	`grandgagnon`	`po grave j'ai mon portable en attendant!`
`19:42.32`	`Thanatermesis`	`qui viendra dans 1 ou 2 jours maximum`
`19:42.40`	`goldstein`	`how do i change cursors theme :P?`
`19:42.56`	`Thanatermesis`	`grandgagnon si c'est pas trop long... ok, sinon, bof, la installation ça peut ce faire en 8 minutes chez moi ;)`
`19:43.15`	`grandgagnon`	`ok`
`19:43.23`	`Thanatermesis`	`goldstein`
`19:43.24`	`Thanatermesis`	`chromecursor - chrome cursor theme`
`19:43.24`	`Thanatermesis`	`silvercursor - silver cursor theme`
`19:43.28`	`Thanatermesis`	`install any of those`
`19:43.30`	`grandgagnon`	`je suis tout de meme impatient de voir ca installer en dur!`
`19:43.43`	`goldstein`	`hum..ok:)`
`19:44.10`	`Thanatermesis`	`grandgagnon rentre sur le menu, audio -> elive-essence, ça ira bien pedant la installation ;)`
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`19:47.35`	`grandgagnon`	`il ne se passe rien`
`19:48.05`	`grandgagnon`	`je crois que ma carte son n'est pas détectée`
`19:49.03`	`Thanatermesis`	`il faut aussi connection a internet`
`19:49.13`	`GPLGeek`	`Thanatermesis, last night I was having paths problems with my ftp but I fixed it now`
`19:49.15`	`Thanatermesis`	`bon, peut etre marchera mieux apres de la instalation ;)`
`19:49.24`	`Thanatermesis`	`ah, ok GPLGeek :)`
`19:50.28`	`GPLGeek`	`that's why some could log in and some could not`
`19:50.38`	`dukebody`	`hello guys`
`19:50.49`	`GPLGeek`	`hi dukebody`
`19:51.09`	`GPLGeek`	`Thanatermesis habla español`
`19:51.20`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek http://thana.no-ip.org/tmp/shots/nada-borrar4.jpg`
`19:51.20`	`dukebody`	`i couldn't install elive i get an error, it says elive can't found base system`
`19:51.26`	`dukebody`	`ok`
`19:51.43`	`Thanatermesis`	`dukebody in what step exactly ?`
`19:51.47`	`grandgagnon`	`cool la musique, c'était le mixer qui était a 0!`
`19:51.54`	`Thanatermesis`	`:)`
`19:52.17`	`dukebody`	`when booting the elive cd`
`19:52.32`	`goldstein`	`cool, amarok is back on reps`
`19:52.36`	`dukebody`	`after stepping through grub`
`19:52.40`	`Thanatermesis`	`dukebody booting the CD ? this sounds very to a CD problem, or bad MD5`
`19:52.55`	`Thanatermesis`	`dukebody after to install Elive ?`
`19:53.03`	`dukebody`	`MD5 is ok, how can i check cd?`
`19:53.08`	`dukebody`	`before installing`
`19:53.15`	`dukebody`	`when booting the live`
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`19:53.23`	`Thanatermesis`	`dukebody perdona, no te entiendo bien... puedes arracar el sistema Elive ? en modo liveCD ?`
`19:53.41`	`Thanatermesis`	`ah.. mientras el liveCD arranca ?`
`19:53.43`	`dukebody`	`no`
`19:53.45`	`dukebody`	`no puedo arrancarlo`
`19:53.54`	`dukebody`	`bueno`
`19:53.55`	`Thanatermesis`	`el problema tiene que ser el CD entonces...`
`19:53.58`	`dukebody`	`lo arranqué una vez en mi pc`
`19:54.01`	`Thanatermesis`	`te sale en el principio de todo del arranque no ?`
`19:54.03`	`dukebody`	`pero luego en la facultad no ha arrancado`
`19:54.07`	`Thanatermesis`	`despues de unas 5 o 6 lineas de colores`
`19:54.10`	`dukebody`	`sí`
`19:54.15`	`dukebody`	`me dice que no puede encontrar el sistema base`
`19:54.21`	`dukebody`	`y en mi casa tampoco arranca ahora`
`19:54.31`	`dukebody`	`y me sale el box ese`
`19:54.34`	`Thanatermesis`	`eso es un problema tipico del CD, el CD esta mal, o se a grabado mal, o no se lee correctamente (en este caso, la lectora)`
`19:54.36`	`dukebody`	`una shell en ash creo`
`19:54.45`	`Thanatermesis`	`si...`
`19:54.48`	`Thanatermesis`	`es lo que te digo`
`19:54.49`	`grandgagnon`	`c'est tres complet comme OS!`
`19:54.50`	`dukebody`	`probablemente lo haya grabado mal, pero como puedo comprobarlo?`
`19:54.52`	`Thanatermesis`	`de todas formas esperate dukebody`
`19:55.02`	`Thanatermesis`	`en un par de dias como maximo sale una version de Elive upgradeada ;)`
`19:55.15`	`dukebody`	`es decir, pasado mañana?`
`19:55.23`	`dukebody`	`la 0.5?`
`19:55.27`	`Thanatermesis`	`grandgagnon assez oui :) ça pretend etre totalment complet et sans besoin de plus rien.. un SO complet qoi, oui :)`
`19:55.30`	`withoutclass`	`thanatermesis you said you had some tricks for opera? :P`
`19:55.42`	`Thanatermesis`	`dukebody no.. 0.5 no, 0.4.2`
`19:55.51`	`dukebody`	`me dijo GPLGeek que podía hacer un apt-get update y upgrade`
`19:55.54`	`Thanatermesis`	`ah, yes withoutclass, give me a second`
`19:56.01`	`withoutclass`	`no problem`
`19:56.16`	`Thanatermesis`	`dukebody si... pero si tienes que grabar otro CD.. .mejor te grabas una version mejorada de Elive ;)`
`19:56.26`	`Thanatermesis`	`ademas tiene de nuevo el soporte de ATI con fgrlx`
`19:56.35`	`dukebody`	`problé el fglrx y no arrancó no`
`19:56.42`	`dukebody`	`tuve que poner el radeon`
`19:56.50`	`GPLGeek`	`only if you can boot it lol`
`19:57.05`	`Thanatermesis`	`dukebody si... ese problema esta fijado en la release 0.4.2 ;)`
`19:57.13`	`GPLGeek`	`livecd does not go past grub? sounds like even if it does md5 there is a write error on the END of the track`
`19:57.39`	`dukebody`	`md5 is ok i check it a minute ago`
`19:57.55`	`dukebody`	`but i am sure it's a burning fail, GPLGeek`
`19:58.10`	`grandgagnon`	`Thanatermesis: tu parles plusieurs langues?`
`19:58.10`	`Thanatermesis`	`withoutclass look this webpage, scrolling it... on firefox is VERY slow, and in opera render's a lot more fast: http://thana.no-ip.org/mediawiki/index.php/Howto_Special_Languages`
`19:58.19`	`Thanatermesis`	`grandgagnon oui, hehe`
`19:58.24`	`grandgagnon`	`combien?`
`19:58.28`	`Thanatermesis`	`4`
`19:58.38`	`grandgagnon`	`wow!`
`19:58.59`	`Thanatermesis`	`hehe`
`19:59.05`	`Thanatermesis`	`french, spanish, english, catalan`
`19:59.23`	`Thanatermesis`	`french, spanish, tarzanian english, catalan`
`19:59.31`	`roxville`	`LOL`
`19:59.35`	`grandgagnon`	`tu habite au Mexique?`
`19:59.38`	`withoutclass`	`i agree thanatermesis`
`19:59.42`	`Thanatermesis`	`non, en belgique maintenant`
`19:59.49`	`grandgagnon`	`ok`
`20:00.13`	`grandgagnon`	`ok je dis cela parce que le mexique est l'endroit pour apprendre plusieurs langues`
`20:00.45`	`grandgagnon`	`donc ta langue courrante est le francais`
`20:01.05`	`Thanatermesis`	`non, de fait je suis espagnol, mais je habitte en belgique maintenant`
`20:01.28`	`grandgagnon`	`ah ok!`
`20:01.50`	`goldstein`	`this system is fast man!`
`20:02.07`	`goldstein`	`now, im going to cook myself a dinner..`
`20:02.17`	`dukebody`	`elive is very fast i tried once and it's fantastic!`
`20:02.49`	`withoutclass`	`yea it is fantastic ^_^d`
`20:03.08`	`withoutclass`	`how do i add opera into the menu's?`
`20:03.35`	`Thanatermesis`	`withoutclass e17 is in developement... but for now the more easy tool is use entangle`
`20:03.39`	`sinplomo`	`_H_, has hecho alguna vez algun DVD en linux con subtitulos y menu y todo eso ? :S`
`20:03.52`	`GPLGeek`	`Thanatermesis, in the 4.1 iso the 1280x800 is not there yet`
`20:03.55`	`GPLGeek`	`did you know that?`
`20:04.15`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek i think... yes, i think to i have finished it between im building the iso, hehe`
`20:04.22`	`GPLGeek`	`lol`
`20:04.30`	`grandgagnon`	`si e17 est en développement, ca sera vraiment super en version finale!!!`
`20:04.36`	`Thanatermesis`	`im multi-process ;) hehe`
`20:04.46`	`Thanatermesis`	`grandgagnon of course! :)`
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`20:05.00`	`GPLGeek`	`it seems that FGLRX works , only 5000 fps though =)`
`20:05.07`	`GPLGeek`	`good for a laptop!`
`20:05.32`	`GPLGeek`	`nvidia works too`
`20:05.34`	`withoutclass`	`211 fps with glx gears xD`
`20:05.42`	`Thanatermesis`	`perfect!`
`20:05.46`	`GPLGeek`	`what video card withoutclass`
`20:05.50`	`withoutclass`	`ati`
`20:05.57`	`GPLGeek`	`use fglrx`
`20:06.00`	`withoutclass`	`i do`
`20:06.06`	`withoutclass`	`i switched this morning using hte script`
`20:06.14`	`withoutclass`	`=o`
`20:06.15`	`GPLGeek`	`and still only 211?`
`20:06.20`	`GPLGeek`	`what video card model?`
`20:06.22`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek ok.. make a look in the entire system after installation (if you can be posible ot isntall it), also the GRUB thing is fixed (verify it, say YES about install FB in the installation)`
`20:06.23`	`grandgagnon`	`moi qui cherchais un bon sujet d'article, je crois que j'ai trouvé!`
`20:06.32`	`Thanatermesis`	`i start to prepaire 0.4.2 :)`
`20:07.20`	`GPLGeek`	`Thanatermesis, I /msg you ftp information in case you need to uplaod anything to me`
`20:07.36`	`Thanatermesis`	`and after of release 0.4.2... the new branch of Elive starts.. "unstable branch" :)`
`20:07.42`	`withoutclass`	`gplgeek ati mobility radeon 9600`
`20:08.00`	`GPLGeek`	`withoutclass, that should be at least 3000 fps`
`20:08.05`	`withoutclass`	`:(`
`20:08.20`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek nah.. i build the 0.4.2 directly and upload it ;) if the actual version of you has don't have any problem.. :)(`
`20:09.04`	`dukebody`	`podría ayudar en el desarrollo de elive de alguna manera, Thanatermesis ??`
`20:09.25`	`dukebody`	`yo uso gentoo pero podría abrir una partición para elive, desde luego me encanta e17 y me gustaría colaborar`
`20:09.43`	`withoutclass`	`gplgeek, when i left the desktop i ran it on into the first one and then went back, it showed 600fps lol`
`20:09.46`	`withoutclass`	`then back to 200`
`20:09.57`	`GPLGeek`	`Thanatermesis, say that in spanish`
`20:10.06`	`GPLGeek`	`so i can better understand lol`
`20:10.07`	`dukebody`	`er`
`20:10.10`	`dukebody`	`sorry`
`20:10.31`	`dukebody`	`can i help in elive development anyway?? i'd like to`
`20:10.45`	`Thanatermesis`	`dukebody pues me gustaria decirte que si.. pero hay tantas cosas por en medio que ni se que se podria hacer.... sabes algo del tema wifi ?`
`20:10.46`	`dukebody`	`i love e17 and i want to help`
`20:11.06`	`dukebody`	`mmm poca idea tengo pero podría aprender - i have little idea but i can learn`
`20:11.12`	`Thanatermesis`	`hehehe`
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`20:12.35`	`dukebody`	`cuales son los bugs más terribles actualmente, o los peores problemas? whose are the worst bugs or problems now?`
`20:12.55`	`Thanatermesis`	`dukebody quizas podrias colaborar un poco en el tema web que necesitamos un poco de ayuda ultimamente, por ejemplo la que vamos a abrir dentro de poco: http://wiki.elivecd.org`
`20:13.42`	`Thanatermesis`	`dukebody actually... all the bugs of we know are solved for 0.4.2, but we have a strange bug on audio cards for some persons needs to reconfigure it in every reboot... but this is not more a problem because for 0.5 we change totally the system :)`
`20:13.47`	`Thanatermesis`	`base system*ç`
`20:15.24`	`GPLGeek`	`Me gusta .4.1`
`20:15.35`	`GPLGeek`	`Hay no problemas`
`20:15.59`	`GPLGeek`	`Doing the install now`
`20:16.05`	`GPLGeek`	`nice sata option`
`20:16.21`	`dukebody`	`aham podría ayudar a redactar documentos -- i can help writing documentation`
`20:16.25`	`GPLGeek`	`and filesystems`
`20:16.30`	`wasynyt`	`what is goimg to base of 0.5?`
`20:16.32`	`Thanatermesis`	`:)`
`20:16.55`	`wasynyt`	`*going to be`
`20:16.59`	`dukebody`	`why are you changing the base in 0.5?`
`20:17.05`	`GPLGeek`	`¡slackware! Just kidding.`
`20:17.14`	`GPLGeek`	`lol`
`20:17.23`	`Thanatermesis`	`dukebody why not ? or maybe admin the site.. i don't know.. try to make a look for now and if you like, create a account for look how to looks the site`
`20:17.35`	`Thanatermesis`	`dukebody because i want the pefection :)`
`20:17.41`	`dukebody`	`i'll be back in 15 minutes`
`20:17.45`	`GPLGeek`	`Thanatermesis, i can't even connect to wiki.elivecd.org does it exist yet?`
`20:18.07`	`dukebody`	`you're meaning to change base distribution?`
`20:18.10`	`withoutclass`	`gplgeek sometimes it works, sometimes it doesnt`
`20:18.12`	`dukebody`	`or change base installation or?`
`20:18.19`	`GPLGeek`	`no just the base installation`
`20:18.20`	`dukebody`	`change base to gentoo!! :D`
`20:18.24`	`GPLGeek`	`new kernel`
`20:18.28`	`Thanatermesis`	`looks down`
`20:18.30`	`GPLGeek`	`no longer 2.6.12`
`20:18.30`	`dukebody`	`aaah new kernel..`
`20:18.37`	`GPLGeek`	`some other stuff`
`20:18.43`	`GPLGeek`	`kernels can cause issues`
`20:18.47`	`Thanatermesis`	`dukebody no... the base system of the liveCD system`
`20:18.48`	`dukebody`	`yes i know`
`20:18.57`	`GPLGeek`	`so I think we will keep 4.2 avaliable for people lol`
`20:19.00`	`dukebody`	`aham the kernel then`
`20:19.12`	`dukebody`	`i think you need mirror-hosting`
`20:19.19`	`GPLGeek`	`we may`
`20:19.36`	`GPLGeek`	`we should talk to ibiblio`
`20:19.38`	`dukebody`	`i can help with seeding :D`
`20:19.59`	`dukebody`	`i can put the iso in my university :D and seed!`
`20:20.08`	`wasynyt`	`:D`
`20:20.25`	`Thanatermesis`	`this sound very nice :)`
`20:20.39`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek we have tried on ibiblio... but don't looks to work :/`
`20:20.41`	`dukebody`	`but i don't know if i can open btorrent port :P`
`20:20.53`	`wasynyt`	`i wil continue same as now.. share ration 26`
`20:20.56`	`wasynyt`	`*will`
`20:20.59`	`dukebody`	`well i have to leave, comin back in minutes`
`20:21.39`	`wasynyt`	`but what is going to be the base of 0.5?`
`20:21.55`	`wasynyt`	`or is it decided yet?`
`20:22.10`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt x en es but what is going to be the base of 0.5?`
`20:22.27`	`Thanatermesis`	`wasynyt DSS.. or based on it`
`20:23.03`	`wasynyt`	`i dont remember what is is.. hmm googling it`
`20:24.00`	`grandgagnon`	`bon, on m'a indiqué que l'installation procédait à la finalisation mais tout a disparu... le disque dur gratte encore.... dois-je attendre encore?`
`20:24.22`	`Thanatermesis`	`grandgagnon oui, faut atendre un peut encore`
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`20:24.39`	`GPLGeek`	`link to DSS?`
`20:24.56`	`wasynyt`	`http://www.dsslive.org.test.ibiblio.org/mediawiki/index.php/Home`
`20:25.08`	`grandgagnon`	`ah super, on m'indique que tout est réussi!`
`20:25.12`	`Thanatermesis`	`http://www.dsslive.org/mediawiki/index.php/Home`
`20:25.20`	`grandgagnon`	`je reboot!`
`20:25.52`	`wasynyt`	`sounds powerful.. but i am no developer`
`20:25.55`	`wasynyt`	`:D`
`20:25.58`	`Thanatermesis`	`hehe`
`20:27.17`	`wasynyt`	`booloader seems same as suse's hmm`
`20:27.21`	`GPLGeek`	`dss is ubuntu`
`20:27.25`	`GPLGeek`	`isnt it`
`20:27.26`	`wasynyt`	`k`
`20:27.45`	`wasynyt`	`i think it might be some ubuntu subproject`
`20:27.53`	`GPLGeek`	`I think it is`
`20:28.05`	`GPLGeek`	`that would suck`
`20:28.20`	`GPLGeek`	`then you could not use debian repos and they have a lot of good packages`
`20:28.24`	`wasynyt`	`well.. there is screenshots from booring suse..`
`20:28.34`	`wasynyt`	`*booting`
`20:28.40`	`Thanatermesis`	`wasynyt yes, uses the same program, gfxgrub i think`
`20:28.57`	`withoutclass`	`my terminal icon changed whaa? T_T`
`20:29.17`	`GPLGeek`	`breezy based`
`20:29.26`	`Thanatermesis`	`ubuntu subproject ?`
`20:29.30`	`roxville`	`GPLGeek, nomed is working on a debian version`
`20:29.38`	`GPLGeek`	`oh`
`20:29.45`	`Thanatermesis`	`no... not is a project of ubuntu, don't worry, hehe`
`20:29.48`	`roxville`	`GPLGeek, don't rule dsslive out...nomed is VERY good`
`20:30.02`	`wasynyt`	`Thanatermesis, i wont.. i have trust in you :D`
`20:30.02`	`Thanatermesis`	`use parts of ubuntu... but not is related with U devels`
`20:30.18`	`grandgagnon`	`eh bien, cet OS n'a rien a envier à Vista! ni a rien d'autre d'ailleur! Quelle look! WOW!`
`20:30.39`	`GPLGeek`	`Where is the download for nomad?`
`20:30.47`	`Thanatermesis`	`:D gr8nash`
`20:30.51`	`Thanatermesis`	`:D grandgagnon`
`20:31.17`	`wasynyt`	`nomad linux?`
`20:31.24`	`roxville`	`GPLGeek, he is waiting for dccri 3.1 to come out... then he will include his installer`
`20:31.27`	`Thanatermesis`	`nomad ?`
`20:31.34`	`Thanatermesis`	`he is nomed, the developer`
`20:31.49`	`GPLGeek`	`lol`
`20:31.54`	`GPLGeek`	`ok i got confused`
`20:31.55`	`roxville`	`wasynyt, lol, no... nomed is the nick of the dev who makes dsslive`
`20:32.00`	`GPLGeek`	`i thought you said there was a version called nomad`
`20:32.02`	`wasynyt`	`ahh.. ok`
`20:34.24`	`GPLGeek`	`lol that's funny I thought you said "nomad is a working debian version" instead of " nomed is working on a debian version" I'm just distracted because of .4.1`
`20:34.51`	`dukebody`	`well, now youre going to base elive in dsslive?`
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`20:36.26`	`dukebody`	`but what's dsslive, a wizard to make quick-distros or?`
`20:37.07`	`roxville`	`basically, yes`
`20:37.47`	`withoutclass`	`sounds handy`
`20:37.56`	`roxville`	`<roxville> GPLGeek, nomed is working on a debian version`
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`20:38.13`	`dukebody`	`then, what will be the improvements from 0.42???`
`20:38.53`	`roxville`	`dukebody, SATA , ATI... and... something else, i think`
`20:38.56`	`roxville`	`:)`
`20:39.16`	`dukebody`	`but that can't be done without using wizards???`
`20:39.20`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek what is the exact problem of the temperature module in some persons then.. segfault if configure ? or starting E ?`
`20:39.36`	`withoutclass`	`aww roxville how sweet`
`20:39.36`	`withoutclass`	`xD`
`20:40.26`	`dukebody`	`it seems ubuntu, and i don't like ubuntu`
`20:40.30`	`withoutclass`	`thanatermesis, when right click on temperature module, and then select configuration, a segfault occurs`
`20:40.34`	`dukebody`	`i dont like suse`
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`20:41.01`	`Thanatermesis`	`dukebody the base is builded for ubuntu... but he are building another base for debian also`
`20:41.25`	`Thanatermesis`	`ok.. i disable this module then`
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`20:41.35`	`dukebody`	`ah and you're using it from base-debian`
`20:41.38`	`GPLGeek`	`Thanatermesis, when configure for me, but some people it's when starting E`
`20:42.01`	`Thanatermesis`	`uh`
`20:42.01`	`dukebody`	`temperature did not work for me when i compiled`
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`20:42.44`	`Thanatermesis`	`dukebody we are on morphix now... but we think for implement it on 0.5`
`20:42.59`	`withoutclass`	`just now i notcied that the terminal icon has now changed after it sits in ibox for a little bit`
`20:42.59`	`GPLGeek`	`temperature does work for some people`
`20:43.12`	`withoutclass`	`the temperature module itself works for me`
`20:43.19`	`withoutclass`	`but if i try to configure it segfaults`
`20:44.53`	`dukebody`	`morphix takes ash instead of bash?`
`20:45.01`	`grandgagnon`	`ouf les menu sont écrit bien trop petit, il a t-il moyen de grossir les polices des menus?`
`20:47.27`	`GPLGeek`	`Thanatermesis, other than update langconf and elive-scripts I think 4.2 is ready`
`20:47.59`	`Thanatermesis`	`dukebody ash is a minimal shell, just this`
`20:48.44`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek when i build a Elive iso... all is included from scratch, creating a new system on a debootstrap, from a simple dir :) all the packages are included new`
`20:48.55`	`GPLGeek`	`yes`
`20:48.55`	`Thanatermesis`	`i don't like "modifications" and "patches", i like clean... all from 0 :)`
`20:49.05`	`dukebody`	`i think you should base elive in gentoo :D`
`20:49.12`	`dukebody`	`a merge between debian and gentoo!`
`20:49.13`	`GPLGeek`	`Well that's all I was saying`
`20:49.20`	`GPLGeek`	`was that .3.1 tested well`
`20:49.23`	`GPLGeek`	`er`
`20:49.27`	`GPLGeek`	`was that .4.1 tested well`
`20:49.34`	`GPLGeek`	`lol`
`20:49.44`	`Thanatermesis`	`dukebody i don't think to gentoo is the more userfriendly thing for the end-user ;)`
`20:49.54`	`Thanatermesis`	`<dukebody> a merge between debian and gentoo!`
`20:49.59`	`Thanatermesis`	`uh.. crappy system`
`20:50.09`	`dukebody`	`crappy? en castellano?`
`20:50.14`	`Thanatermesis`	`chapuza`
`20:50.16`	`Thanatermesis`	`xDDD`
`20:50.22`	`dukebody`	`aaah`
`20:50.38`	`grandgagnon`	`comment on grossit les écritures des menus?`
`20:50.41`	`withoutclass`	`a merge between the two is probably a foolish thing to do, better to stick with one as it would probably be more stable and less bugs`
`20:50.54`	`GPLGeek`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:50.56`	`GPLGeek`	`ok done!`
`20:51.01`	`dukebody`	`i love the unstability of gentoo`
`20:51.17`	`dukebody`	`gaim2b disponible in portage! not in ubuntu repositories...`
`20:51.25`	`Thanatermesis`	`grandgagnon this is not very easy... you need to rebuild the theme`
`20:52.01`	`withoutclass`	`honestly, for as many times as i have installed and attempted to install gentoo, im rather...tired of it`
`20:52.02`	`grandgagnon`	`ok merci! mon lcd est un 1280x1024 et c'est tout petit!`
`20:52.12`	`dukebody`	`unstability=latest software aviable`
`20:52.19`	`withoutclass`	`meh`
`20:52.22`	`GPLGeek`	`Thanatermesis, 4 video tests passed, internet test passed, modules test passed`
`20:52.23`	`withoutclass`	`if it works who cares`
`20:52.26`	`dukebody`	`tired of compiling, withoutclass ???`
`20:52.37`	`withoutclass`	`yes`
`20:52.39`	`withoutclass`	`lol`
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`20:52.57`	`Thanatermesis`	`perfect :)`
`20:52.59`	`Elive_user`	`connectivity test passed for .4.1`
`20:53.03`	`Thanatermesis`	`grandgagnon in the installed system ? put a DVD ;)`
`20:53.06`	`Thanatermesis`	`movie`
`20:53.06`	`withoutclass`	`when it takes a day+ to compile the system, then to find out i screwed up somewhere and so i have to start over, i want to strangle something`
`20:53.33`	`dukebody`	`but i learned a lot with gentoo, withoutclass, because you have to do almost everything`
`20:53.42`	`dukebody`	`with ubuntu, you learn nothing!!!`
`20:53.46`	`GPLGeek`	`and you always screw up like one charactor during the first part of the install`
`20:54.28`	`Thanatermesis`	`dukebody what you learn in 10 years using windows ?`
`20:54.33`	`dukebody`	`nothing`
`20:54.34`	`withoutclass`	`i learned plenty too dukebody, im not knocking gentoo for having its plusses, its really good to help get on the track to learning linux, but as a system I actually want to use, i tried one more time recently, and just got frustrated`
`20:54.36`	`Thanatermesis`	`hehe`
`20:54.40`	`withoutclass`	`haha`
`20:54.44`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt windows`
`20:54.45`	`apt`	`rumour has it, windows is a 32 bit hack on a 16 bit operating system, originally designed for an 8 bit CPU, with a 4 bit system bus, made by a 2 bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition... or the World of Warcraft bootloader, or the most important collection of bugs`
`20:55.11`	`withoutclass`	`lol @ world of warcraft bootloader`
`20:55.35`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt good bot :)`
`20:55.35`	`apt`	`aw, gee, Thanatermesis`
`20:55.51`	`GPLGeek`	`is wow a game, or a set of bugs that contains a game`
`20:55.53`	`grandgagnon`	`je sais pas comment on reconstruit un theme`
`20:56.28`	`Thanatermesis`	`grandgagnon pas evident.. vraiment`
`20:56.34`	`dukebody`	`i think i should keep gentoo for learning and take a precompiled-distro for workin`
`20:57.01`	`Thanatermesis`	`grandgagnon je vais envoyer un email a les devs de E, pour une idée pour la dimension de la font sans devoire toucher le theme ;)`
`20:57.02`	`dukebody`	`if it's something i like in gentoo it's the world of documentation aviable`
`20:57.21`	`Thanatermesis`	`dukebody with LFS also you learn :)`
`20:57.22`	`dukebody`	`very very well-documented`
`20:57.24`	`withoutclass`	`gplgeek both xD`
`20:57.27`	`dukebody`	`LFS??`
`20:57.31`	`Thanatermesis`	`yes`
`20:57.36`	`dukebody`	`what's that?`
`20:57.42`	`Thanatermesis`	`you don't know lfs ?!?!?!?!?!`
`20:57.45`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt lfs`
`20:57.47`	`apt`	`from memory, lfs is linuxfromscratch or linuxfromscratch.org`
`20:58.20`	`wasynyt`	`desingned for do it your self people`
`20:58.34`	`Thanatermesis`	`if for build your own linux system.... totally from scratch... totally, no packages, no scripts, no system first`
`20:58.51`	`dukebody`	`ahaha`
`20:59.09`	`Thanatermesis`	`dukebody is totally from scratch... and you don't have any system for use it.. you have just the documentation of how to create it`
`20:59.35`	`Thanatermesis`	`LFS not is a distro for boot, is a distro for build, the only thing of you have in LFS is the documentation :)`
`20:59.43`	`dukebody`	`ammm`
`20:59.47`	`dukebody`	`but i like portage!`
`20:59.47`	`dukebody`	`xD`
`20:59.48`	`dukebody`	`lol`
`20:59.54`	`withoutclass`	`LFS requires lots of mountain dew and cigarettes`
`20:59.54`	`dukebody`	`portage rulez`
`21:00.00`	`Thanatermesis`	`dukebody but if you want to learn... you learn ALL`
`21:00.09`	`dukebody`	`aham`
`21:00.09`	`Thanatermesis`	`dejas al pinguino en pelota picada`
`21:00.13`	`dukebody`	`jajaja`
`21:00.17`	`dukebody`	`vale`
`21:00.24`	`dukebody`	`lo podría probar`
`21:00.33`	`dukebody`	`pero voy a tener un jaleo de distros que ni lo cuento...`
`21:00.43`	`Thanatermesis`	`dukebody yo deseo probarlo.. pero me falta tiempo :(`
`21:00.56`	`dukebody`	`elive... ubuntu... gento... LFS... windows for my sister :P`
`21:01.19`	`Thanatermesis`	`uh... caution with the sister`
`21:01.39`	`GPLGeek`	`lfs has a livecd project`
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`21:02.07`	`grandgagnon`	`je dois me déconnecter pour aller bosser, je reviendrai une autre fois! Aurevoir et merci!`
`21:02.08`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek liveCD project ? no... you can build also a liveCD... but LFS is for build your OWN linux from scratch`
`21:02.13`	`dukebody`	`sister is always complainin because they don't understand anything in linux`
`21:02.23`	`Thanatermesis`	`a bien tot grandgagnon !`
`21:02.30`	`dukebody`	`in fact, i think they don't understand anything in windows`
`21:03.04`	`Thanatermesis`	`dukebody because on windows learn nothing :)`
`21:03.21`	`wasynyt`	`no.. you learn how to use mouse ;P`
`21:03.36`	`withoutclass`	`you can learn how to use keyboard to type too`
`21:03.51`	`dukebody`	`you learn how to chat with MSN Messenger, use Emule, use IExplore`
`21:03.59`	`dukebody`	`use pirate-word`
`21:04.01`	`withoutclass`	`iexplore eewwww`
`21:04.18`	`wasynyt`	`ie :S`
`21:05.04`	`dukebody`	`you learn how to install an antivirus`
`21:05.08`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt ie`
`21:05.10`	`apt`	`extra, extra, read all about it, ie is the domain suffix for Ireland, or Internet Explorer`
`21:05.16`	`Thanatermesis`	`what is a antivirus ?`
`21:05.31`	`wasynyt`	`apt antivirus`
`21:05.33`	`apt`	`it has been said that antivirus is a class of programs for detecting viruses. There is a free for private/non-commercial use antivirus under http://www.antivir.de/order/privreg/order_e.htm`
`21:05.44`	`Thanatermesis`	`what is a virus ?`
`21:05.47`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt virus`
`21:05.48`	`apt`	`rumour has it, virus is A program that makes unbidden copies of itself in order to proliferate. Usually plays a role either as graffiti or for malicious intent.`
`21:05.53`	`dukebody`	`lol`
`21:06.00`	`Thanatermesis`	`uh!`
`21:06.03`	`withoutclass`	`actually`
`21:06.07`	`withoutclass`	`thats only one form of virus`
`21:06.09`	`GPLGeek`	`It's a bad program that wants to hurt your machine`
`21:06.12`	`withoutclass`	`; )`
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`21:06.26`	`GPLGeek`	`why, you use linux?`
`21:06.29`	`GPLGeek`	`no need to be scared`
`21:06.36`	`GPLGeek`	`virus are for mac and windows`
`21:06.39`	`withoutclass`	`yea`
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`21:06.53`	`wasynyt`	`there could be viruses for linux too...`
`21:06.55`	`GPLGeek`	`we only scan linux databases because we interface with windows machines`
`21:07.03`	`Thanatermesis`	`ahhh.. windows... good invention bill gates !`
`21:07.16`	`GPLGeek`	`the linux virus does not work`
`21:07.20`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt bill gates`
`21:07.22`	`apt`	`[bill gates] lord of Darkness`
`21:07.24`	`wasynyt`	`its only that scriptkids dont know what linux is`
`21:07.32`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt steve ballmer`
`21:07.33`	`apt`	`got a banana?`
`21:07.33`	`GPLGeek`	`there is no way to program a virus that would work on every linux system`
`21:07.33`	`dukebody`	`i don't believe the excuses of bill about security-bugs`
`21:07.38`	`GPLGeek`	`it might work on 10 or 12 of them`
`21:07.52`	`wasynyt`	`true`
`21:07.56`	`Thanatermesis`	`any person has look the bookmarks of Elive ? has very good links ;)`
`21:07.59`	`GPLGeek`	`but with windows a virus might cost over 100 billion usd`
`21:08.06`	`Thanatermesis`	`on the Elive menu you has 3 videos, the first i like a lot`
`21:08.14`	`GPLGeek`	`because people who use windows in the workplace are lemmings`
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`21:08.31`	`Elive_user`	`hi`
`21:08.34`	`wasynyt`	`hi`
`21:08.37`	`dukebody`	`everytime: it's the most used system and malicious users attack it so`
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`21:08.42`	`Mtraker`	`hi`
`21:08.48`	`GPLGeek`	`cnn got a virus and they had to use ONE GUY'S LINUX LAPTOP to run the whole news organization.`
`21:09.01`	`Thanatermesis`	`dukebody bill gates es el mayor timador de la historia, eso es lo unico que es`
`21:09.04`	`Thanatermesis`	`hi Mtraker`
`21:09.22`	`dukebody`	`but they attack windows because windows is full of security bugs!`
`21:09.31`	`dukebody`	`toda la razón que tienes Thanatermesis`
`21:09.38`	`withoutclass`	`they attack it because its used the most, not really because of the bugs`
`21:09.52`	`GPLGeek`	`Thanatermesis, no more double icons for xmms when minimised`
`21:09.54`	`dukebody`	`timadores que yo creo que los fallos de seguirdad los provocan ellos`
`21:09.54`	`GPLGeek`	`ibox fixed`
`21:10.04`	`Thanatermesis`	`http://www.google.be/search?hl=nl&q=bill+gates+thanatermesis&btnG=Google+zoeken&meta= <---- uh! i need to stop to speak about bill gates...`
`21:10.05`	`Thanatermesis`	`fucking apt`
`21:10.05`	`withoutclass`	`im sure linux has plenty of bugs too, but its just not worth it for them to attack 3 people when they could attack millions`
`21:10.13`	`Mtraker`	`Estic per parlar en Catanglish`
`21:10.17`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt is who post all this conversations to internet`
`21:10.18`	`Mtraker`	`XD`
`21:10.42`	`Elive_user`	`at the moment i'm testing elive 0.4 and it'S really good, but i'm missing a configuration button for ibar in the configuration panel??!! (okay -> there is entangle to change the menu, but for the normal user??)`
`21:10.51`	`Thanatermesis`	`Mtraker no parlis catalá en un canal internasiunal home, hem de ser collonutament cumpatibles`
`21:10.58`	`Mtraker`	`lol`
`21:11.30`	`GPLGeek`	`they say windows vista will have a linux like kernel`
`21:11.35`	`GPLGeek`	`linux like userland`
`21:11.47`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek pure bla bla`
`21:11.53`	`Elive_user`	`copy and paste kernel ;) ?`
`21:11.53`	`Thanatermesis`	`marketing powa`
`21:12.00`	`Thanatermesis`	`lool Elive_user`
`21:12.01`	`Mtraker`	`yea`
`21:12.08`	`GPLGeek`	`I bet its a software patch over the same damn nt kernel xp used`
`21:12.19`	`GPLGeek`	`virtual userland which does not do a damn thing`
`21:13.27`	`GPLGeek`	`ms could have made a lot of money on linux`
`21:13.33`	`wasynyt`	`i rather suspect that they are trying to byu new kernel.. any delays are because they realized it was under gpl :D`
`21:13.57`	`GPLGeek`	`make a open source linux distro that ran win apps and do like google and novel did.`
`21:14.11`	`Elive_user`	`but the companies didnt care about gpl...that'S a fact..`
`21:14.33`	`Elive_user`	`gpl-violations.org`
`21:14.51`	`wasynyt`	`well.. its not nice to know that someone like eu might sue you for that :D`
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`21:15.22`	`Mtraker`	`Iwork in my job with apps gpl : Gimp, blender, scribus`
`21:17.43`	`withoutclass`	`well now that i have opera i can get rid of mozilla and thunderbird`
`21:18.16`	`GPLGeek`	`http://www.giga-byte.com/MotherBoard/News/News_620.htm`
`21:18.33`	`GPLGeek`	`Can you imagine 4 7800s`
`21:18.36`	`withoutclass`	`ehhh maybe not`
`21:18.37`	`withoutclass`	`whaa`
`21:18.38`	`withoutclass`	`no`
`21:18.46`	`Elive_user`	`nobody answered my question ;(( -> Where is the configuration for iBar??? except entangle`
`21:19.05`	`withoutclass`	`elive_user`
`21:19.09`	`withoutclass`	`www.google.com`
`21:19.13`	`withoutclass`	`xD`
`21:19.37`	`GPLGeek`	`that is one thing we need to do`
`21:19.42`	`GPLGeek`	`easy editing of menus and ibar`
`21:19.46`	`withoutclass`	`yes`
`21:19.47`	`withoutclass`	`;)`
`21:19.59`	`withoutclass`	`ibar not so hard, just drag the icon`
`21:20.09`	`GPLGeek`	`OMG HARD`
`21:20.24`	`GPLGeek`	`that takes too much brains`
`21:20.33`	`withoutclass`	`yea it does`
`21:20.49`	`withoutclass`	`i think when i created and edited the icon i use for opera i lost my bladder control and peed on myself`
`21:20.55`	`GPLGeek`	`zombies dont get that much brains`
`21:20.58`	`withoutclass`	`thats how much brains it took`
`21:21.33`	`withoutclass`	`although im still confused on how to add it to the menu ;)`
`21:23.18`	`Elive_user`	`and how could you add icons without entangle?? i think i'm too stupid ... ;(`
`21:23.41`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek no any bug for now ? :)`
`21:23.45`	`GPLGeek`	`I think it just gets it from your right click menu`
`21:23.46`	`withoutclass`	`elive_use`
`21:23.57`	`GPLGeek`	`Thanatermesis, i been using it for a long time and can not find any bugs`
`21:24.00`	`withoutclass`	`elive_user, upper left corner, click, then go down to edit icon`
`21:24.10`	`GPLGeek`	`Thanatermesis, I'm disapointed. I wanted something to fix.`
`21:24.29`	`Thanatermesis`	`Elive_user entange is the more user-friendly acutally thing for this...but the correct is to make this manually, you have all the documentation needed on www.get-e.org`
`21:24.44`	`Elive_user`	`thanks`
`21:24.50`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt x en es I'm disapointed. I wanted something to fix.`
`21:25.00`	`withoutclass`	`elive_user, then, if you need to make your own, find one on google images, save it, select it and then set it, then all you have to do is drag the icon from the upper left onto the bar`
`21:25.07`	`Thanatermesis`	`Elive_user and entangle not is more developed actually... it segfaults frecuently`
`21:25.25`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek but in any case... if you don't found any bug... its just perfect :)`
`21:25.31`	`Elive_user`	`ok...thank very much`
`21:26.14`	`gr8nash`	`Sweet Thanatermesis you updated enlightenment in the repos!! thanks`
`21:26.16`	`withoutclass`	`the best way to answer alot of the simple questions is to play with it, and also google...cuz it knows everything xD`
`21:26.53`	`wasynyt`	`well good night every one :D`
`21:27.55`	`GPLGeek`	`just make sure langconf and elive-scripts are updated in 4.2 when you rebuild the whole thing`
`21:27.58`	`Thanatermesis`	`good night wasynyt_asleep`
`21:28.12`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek don't worry about it ;)`
`21:28.18`	`GPLGeek`	`Thanatermesis, grub works great`
`21:28.22`	`withoutclass`	`gplgeek, you were being sarcastic about ibar being hard right?....`
`21:28.34`	`Thanatermesis`	`i have just finished also to upgrade the e17 conf without the temperature module, and tested :)`
`21:28.37`	`GPLGeek`	`withoutclass, i hope so`
`21:28.47`	`withoutclass`	`gplkeek, =X`
`21:29.06`	`GPLGeek`	`withoutclass, i got like 10 icons on there it was very easy and fast to configure`
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`21:29.31`	`withoutclass`	`thanatermesis, when i update + upgrade, my temperature module wont disappear will it`
`21:29.48`	`GPLGeek`	`no`
`21:30.13`	`Thanatermesis`	`the more easy way is... open a program with "run program", then drag-n-drop the icon of the "top-left" part of the application window to your IBAR`
`21:30.14`	`withoutclass`	`it took me about 1 minute to get an opera icon, save it, set it, and drag it onto ibar`
`21:30.16`	`GPLGeek`	`if it does at any time left click go to configuration then go to modules and select temperature then enable it and hit apply`
`21:30.22`	`Thanatermesis`	`do you know a thing more user-friendly than this ? :)`
`21:30.33`	`withoutclass`	`thanatermesis nope :)`
`21:30.50`	`Thanatermesis`	`withoutclass just the "elive-skel" confgiurations, you can upgrade it.. but in any case is in the main repo.. no in the public repo's`
`21:30.59`	`Thanatermesis`	`it are syncronized tomorrow`
`21:31.09`	`withoutclass`	`ok`
`21:32.47`	`withoutclass`	`ill be back, i need to showe`
`21:32.48`	`withoutclass`	`r`
`21:32.49`	`GPLGeek`	`Thanatermesis, when i sudo apt-get update it does nothing`
`21:32.57`	`GPLGeek`	`when i su and then apt-get update it does`
`21:33.05`	`GPLGeek`	`no error messages though`
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`21:33.39`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek for the elive-skel configuration ?`
`21:34.15`	`GPLGeek`	`the installer did not add my username to sudoers file`
`21:34.22`	`GPLGeek`	`on .4.1`
`21:34.30`	`Thanatermesis`	`yes, its deleted :)`
`21:34.44`	`Thanatermesis`	`because some persons aparently has problems with the sudo thing...`
`21:34.51`	`Thanatermesis`	`i don't know for WHY is needed the sudo thing`
`21:35.04`	`Thanatermesis`	`if a user wants admin the system, then just needs to enter the ROOT password`
`21:35.10`	`Thanatermesis`	`and its the ROOT password the secure thing`
`21:35.11`	`GPLGeek`	`sudo is nice to have`
`21:35.13`	`Thanatermesis`	`no the user password`
`21:35.35`	`Thanatermesis`	`if any person really like to: sudo apt-get update for example.... then add to sudo`
`21:35.48`	`Thanatermesis`	`but aparently sudo broke some importants things of the system`
`21:35.52`	`Thanatermesis`	`then i have deleted it`
`21:37.13`	`GPLGeek`	`hmm`
`21:37.53`	`Thanatermesis`	`i don't want a broked system because sudo :)`
`21:38.23`	`Thanatermesis`	`but also... the users-manager of elpanel can add your user to sudo if you like GPLGeek, im thinkin about delete it... can you posible to test me it ?`
`21:41.30`	`GPLGeek`	`delete sudo? bad idea`
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`21:42.21`	`GPLGeek`	`I never had a problem with sudo in .4.0`
`21:42.52`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek aparently some persons has problems with it... for example can't be posible to launch a application`
`21:42.55`	`Thanatermesis`	`from elpanel`
`21:43.01`	`Thanatermesis`	`GPLGeek what is bad using only "su" ?`
`21:43.04`	`Thanatermesis`	`sudo is unsecure`
`21:43.24`	`GPLGeek`	`just leave sudo in there, and dont add the user unless they want to be added`
`21:43.52`	`GPLGeek`	`sudo lets people grant not just admin rights`
`21:43.57`	`GPLGeek`	`sudo lets you do special rights`
`21:44.19`	`GPLGeek`	`you can specify if you want somone to be able to manage apache, or sound, or other things`
`21:44.23`	`Thanatermesis`	`yes... but if you know about this "special rigths" then you know how to configure it ;)`
`21:45.08`	`GPLGeek`	`well dont remove the sudo package, just the default sudo username add to the file`
`21:45.20`	`Thanatermesis`	`no no... no sudo packags removed`
`21:45.28`	`Thanatermesis`	`just the user not is more on "sudo" now`
`21:45.40`	`Thanatermesis`	`and elpanel ask about the ROOT password, using SU, no sudo`
`21:45.50`	`Thanatermesis`	`not is really needed for admin the Elive system`
`21:45.52`	`GPLGeek`	`oh`
`21:46.21`	`GPLGeek`	`I can test it`
`21:46.51`	`ElonGlasb`	`Thana I remember something in the Beta there it was with sudo possible right?`
`21:47.31`	`Thanatermesis`	`ElonGlasb yes, and sudo has play very ugly things on 0.4... not very persons has look this and i don0't know why has occur this`
`21:47.41`	`Thanatermesis`	`but for example elpanel don't has launch some programs`
`21:48.08`	`Thanatermesis`	`and if you launch elpanel from terminal (if you have this problem), you look a message in the console asking about the USER password`
`21:48.10`	`Thanatermesis`	`for sudo`
`21:48.19`	`Thanatermesis`	`and the graphical application asking it not are launch`
`21:48.23`	`Thanatermesis`	`then, no any thing works`
`21:48.54`	`GPLGeek`	`there is ssh info for installed .4.1 if you want to do tests`
`21:48.58`	`Thanatermesis`	`i don't have know how to resolve it... just playing a little testing it... after to enter the password 2 or 3 times, after then works correctly... no idea why has make this`
`21:49.24`	`Thanatermesis`	`but sudo is actually disabled by default in the default user, if any person wants to add sudo privilegies to any user... then add it`
`21:49.34`	`Thanatermesis`	`its installed also, just no by default`
`21:49.49`	`GPLGeek`	`k`
`21:51.01`	`Thanatermesis`	`http://thanatermesis.no-ip.org/tmp/shots/nada-borrar4.jpg <--- what about this wallpaper for 0.4.2 ?`
`21:51.08`	`Thanatermesis`	`e16`
`21:52.16`	`withoutclass`	`looks goot thanatermesis`
`21:52.32`	`withoutclass`	`question, i cannot drag xmms accross virtual desktops`
`21:52.33`	`Thanatermesis`	`better than 0.4 withoutclass ?`
`21:52.52`	`withoutclass`	`i like the desktop for e16 in .4 ;)`
`21:52.57`	`withoutclass`	`but i use e17 soooo`
`21:53.18`	`withoutclass`	`i like the window/application theme`
`21:53.39`	`Mtraker`	`but i tjink it's better e16`
`21:53.43`	`Elive_user`	`ibar segfaults if you have more than icon of the same application....`
`21:53.54`	`Elive_user`	`more than one icon`
`21:54.04`	`withoutclass`	`elive_user why do you need more than one of the same application on ibar`
`21:54.41`	`Thanatermesis`	`Elive_user do you have diferents icons for the same application ?`
`21:54.54`	`Elive_user`	`i dont need it...but it crashes if there are more than one`
`21:55.05`	`Elive_user`	`no...the same icon for the same app`
`21:55.09`	`withoutclass`	`thanatermesis, you have iTunes icon on the bar in the pic for e16 0.4.2?`
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`21:59.08`	`Thanatermesis`	`Elive_user ok.. thanks for the report, i show it to the E devels`
`21:59.29`	`Elive_user`	`thanks`
`21:59.33`	`Thanatermesis`	`withoutclass yes.. its the xmms icon ;)`
`21:59.54`	`withoutclass`	`ooOoOO`
`22:00.02`	`Thanatermesis`	`Elive_user can you posible to show me your version of e17 ? (date) "dpkg -l \| grep e17"`
`22:00.03`	`withoutclass`	`thanatermesis, what a large desktop you have`
`22:00.15`	`Thanatermesis`	`withoutclass yes, a little, hehe`
`22:00.46`	`Thanatermesis`	`withoutclass http://thana.no-ip.org/mediawiki/index.php/Personal_Screenshots`
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`22:01.27`	`Elive_user`	`cvs20060204`
`22:01.29`	`withoutclass`	`wow, is your monitor really that wide?`
`22:01.58`	`roxville`	`withoutclass, he's got two monitors`
`22:02.10`	`withoutclass`	`that makes more sense`
`22:02.31`	`Thanatermesis`	`:)`
`22:02.46`	`roxville`	`he found a great card for like $20 or something... works great for him, apparently`
`22:03.04`	`Thanatermesis`	`Elive_user the same icon 2 or more times, correct ?`
`22:03.19`	`withoutclass`	`i wish i had a desktop pc :(`
`22:03.30`	`Thanatermesis`	`roxville yes.. i don't have 3d acceleration on my own kernel because i don't have time for add it.. but i don't need 3d, hehe`
`22:05.43`	`withoutclass`	`is there a way to create multiple instances of a window for any application, kinda like gkrellm does?`
`22:05.59`	`withoutclass`	`for instances, gaim buddy list`
`22:06.32`	`Elive_user`	`with two icons it works but with three it didnt work.....`
`22:07.01`	`Elive_user`	`especially if i try to delete one of the three it crashes..`
`22:07.08`	`Elive_user`	`just a small bug`
`22:07.33`	`Thanatermesis`	`Elive_user and what happens with 4 or 5 ? :)`
`22:08.38`	`Elive_user`	`crashes to`
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`22:18.08`	`Elive_user`	`hello again..`
`22:18.19`	`Elive_user`	`i have just one more question...`
`22:18.52`	`Elive_user`	`is there a special reason why a lot of modules crashes in elive 0.4??`
`22:19.06`	`Thanatermesis`	`Elive_user yes, in some part`
`22:19.21`	`Elive_user`	`oh..okay..`
`22:19.36`	`Thanatermesis`	`the developement of E17 is very hard, no only e17 but also the very powered libs of e17`
`22:19.56`	`Thanatermesis`	`it are constructed in the same time, e17 needs a special thing now, new feature for the libs, or a modification on it...`
`22:20.12`	`r2`	`reinstalled elive 0.4 sound works now with 2.6.15.....yippieh!`
`22:20.18`	`Thanatermesis`	`after a modification on the libs, all the applications writed on this libs needs to are adapted to it`
`22:20.37`	`Thanatermesis`	`and this code changes very fast, you need to are very active with it :)`
`22:21.03`	`Thanatermesis`	`the non-internal E17 modules are separed on the CVS with the e17 developement`
`22:21.26`	`Thanatermesis`	`because e17 don't want to this modules makes unstability to e17 because not are very "to day"`
`22:21.40`	`roxville`	`r2, that's great!`
`22:21.54`	`Thanatermesis`	`and this is "why is unstable"`
`22:22.03`	`Thanatermesis`	`if any person likes to use it, use in own risk...`
`22:22.27`	`Thanatermesis`	`Elive has actualy not included more this modules by default, is in the repos, but not by default, for the same.. if any person want it, install the package`
`22:22.58`	`r2`	`Even though it's considered unstable. It's proven to me at least as stable as Ubuntu breezy....`
`22:23.05`	`Thanatermesis`	`Elive don't want also unstability for this modules... we understand why this and we are caution... but the end-user don't understand this and not is good to show bad things... better to not show than show bad`
`22:23.17`	`r2`	`...only looks a whole lot better and is faster on top of it!`
`22:23.59`	`roxville`	`yeah r2, breezy is not as good as i thought it would be... not that i spend much time in it nowadays...`
`22:24.02`	`Thanatermesis`	`r2 e17 is a thing... but debian is perfectly stable :) (and we are on the testing branch ;))`
`22:24.32`	`GPLGeek`	`etch is the most stable system ever`
`22:24.55`	`r2`	`I develop myself, so I know what you guys do for the fans. Hope you keep it up!`
`22:24.59`	`Mtraker`	`is it better e16 o e17?(for continued use)`
`22:25.23`	`roxville`	`Mtraker, e16... without a doubt`
`22:25.39`	`roxville`	`but e17 is good too... but reboot every now and then`
`22:25.45`	`Mtraker`	`ok`
`22:26.10`	`Elive_user`	`reboot? just restart of e17?!`
`22:26.19`	`roxville`	`i ran it for 3 days... it took 10 minutes to reboot this morning :)`
`22:26.29`	`roxville`	`Elive_user, reboot the system`
`22:26.35`	`r2`	`where can I get info on using the mounter module? Google doesn't really help...`
`22:26.48`	`roxville`	`this is actually NOT e17's fault, but the xorg version of etch`
`22:27.26`	`roxville`	`r2, what kind of info are you looking for?`
`22:27.31`	`Elive_user`	`gh`
`22:27.46`	`Thanatermesis`	`Mtraker for daily work, e16, but e17 is very stable too... im on it without any problem`
`22:28.01`	`roxville`	`it looks at your fstab, and if you click on on of the drives, it mounts or unmounts it`
`22:28.12`	`r2`	`it pops up with sda1 (don't have an sda, some default?)`
`22:28.25`	`Elive_user`	`and crashes... ;(`
`22:28.41`	`r2`	`I'll give it a shot...`
`22:28.42`	`roxville`	`r2, sda1 is your extended partition... i have the same thing`
`22:29.14`	`Elive_user`	`maybe for usb sticks?`
`22:29.23`	`r2`	`Hmm`
`22:29.29`	`roxville`	`for now, just know what it is, and don't try to mount it :)`
`22:29.32`	`r2`	`only hda1 / and hda2 swap`
`22:29.59`	`r2`	`I'll just comment it out in fstab for now, no biggy`
`22:30.54`	`r2`	`I happen to 6 SCSI burners in this system though :-)`
`22:31.06`	`r2`	`happen to have...`
`22:31.36`	`roxville`	`happen to have?`
`22:31.41`	`roxville`	`:)`
`22:32.02`	`roxville`	`and what do you use them for? shuffle board?`
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`22:32.19`	`r2`	`Copying elive CDs :-)`
`22:33.30`	`roxville`	`wow r2 a regular factory!`
`22:34.12`	`r2`	`I make music and hope to create my next promo series this way...`
`22:34.27`	`roxville`	`ok, cool :)`
`22:34.37`	`roxville`	`what apps do you use to record?`
`22:34.44`	`o[WildChild]o`	`r2 cool ! :)`
`22:34.45`	`r2`	`cdrdao :-)`
`22:34.48`	`roxville`	`windows, i expect...`
`22:34.50`	`_hugo_`	`http://hugo.sesam.st/scr2.png for those who want to see my elive desktop :)`
`22:34.55`	`_hugo_`	`roxville, check it out`
`22:35.41`	`r2`	`Nobody really wants to support multiple burners (and windows is out of question ;-)`
`22:36.03`	`r2`	`so I have to resort to cdrdao and kernel buffering...`
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`22:36.23`	`roxville`	`_hugo_, it's not loading`
`22:36.54`	`roxville`	`<r2> I make music and hope to create my next promo series this way... <-- i meant for recording the music`
`22:37.10`	`o[WildChild]o`	`_hugo_: it is here , and your irssi theme sucks tho :)`
`22:37.15`	`o[WildChild]o`	`but the rest is cool :)`
`22:37.35`	`_hugo_`	`WildChild, uhm`
`22:37.37`	`_hugo_`	`irssi themes? :p`
`22:37.41`	`o[WildChild]o`	`yes :)`
`22:37.44`	`_hugo_`	`uhm`
`22:37.45`	`_hugo_`	`url? :9`
`22:37.46`	`o[WildChild]o`	`www.irssi.org`
`22:37.46`	`_hugo_`	`:)`
`22:37.47`	`o[WildChild]o`	`:)`
`22:37.49`	`_hugo_`	`key =9`
`22:37.51`	`_hugo_`	`=)`
`22:37.52`	`r2`	`aha you mean actually creating the music :-)`
`22:38.04`	`r2`	`Yepp still hung up on Cubase on windo$`
`22:38.06`	`Thanatermesis`	`r2 STOP RECORDING IT !!!`
`22:38.06`	`roxville`	`yes`
`22:38.27`	`r2`	`recording what?`
`22:38.35`	`Thanatermesis`	`Elive cd's`
`22:38.43`	`r2`	`hehe`
`22:38.49`	`Thanatermesis`	`0.4.2 is released tomorrow ;)`
`22:38.57`	`r2`	`I might have some news for hosting soon...`
`22:39.13`	`Thanatermesis`	`:)`
`22:39.23`	`r2`	`_hugo_ nice picture`
`22:39.32`	`roxville`	`yeah _hugo_ that's pretty slick! :)`
`22:39.34`	`r2`	`ah oh...`
`22:39.40`	`_hugo_`	`thanks :)`
`22:40.11`	`r2`	`dammed just reinstalled 0.4 ...`
`22:40.20`	`r2`	`could have waited then :-)`
`22:40.27`	`_hugo_`	`he_he :)`
`22:40.28`	`o[WildChild]o`	`huhu`
`22:40.28`	`o[WildChild]o`	`^^`
`22:40.31`	`roxville`	`r2, yeah... i have it too... WHEN i am in windows, i tend to play mostly with GrooveAgent, though :) i love it`
`22:40.42`	`Mtraker`	`Why Thanatermesis ? I think it's very early.`
`22:40.44`	`_hugo_`	`roxville, list of updates for 0.42?`
`22:40.53`	`r2`	`roxville did you make the elive welcome sound?`
`22:41.12`	`Thanatermesis`	`Mtraker because is a upgraded version, with all the bugs found fixed, better installer, ATI supported perfectly, firefox 1.5 etc...`
`22:41.16`	`Thanatermesis`	`no bugs :)`
`22:41.16`	`roxville`	`yeah... in FL`
`22:41.29`	`r2`	`kewl, I like it`
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`22:41.41`	`roxville`	`_hugo_, i don't have that list`
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`22:41.51`	`roxville`	`thx r2 :)`
`22:42.06`	`roxville`	`goldstein, howdy :)`
`22:42.09`	`Mtraker`	`how many bugs? I haven't got ATI and what problem have in firefox?`
`22:42.13`	`r2`	`Hi goldie`
`22:42.25`	`roxville`	`r2, i don't have a keyboard, so it was piano roll editing all the way`
`22:42.29`	`r2`	`Firefox is the problem! (duck)`
`22:42.44`	`Thanatermesis`	`Mtraker firefox not is a problem.. just a request from very persons`
`22:43.03`	`r2`	`wow, I just gave an 88 Key away...`
`22:43.04`	`Mtraker`	`ok`
`22:43.06`	`goldstein`	`roxville: new install:P`
`22:43.14`	`Thanatermesis`	`Mtraker 0.4 not is bad if you don0t have any problem on it or you just have solved/upgraded... but is more "presentable" a release without bugs ;)`
`22:43.24`	`Thanatermesis`	`ah... and SATA supported directly on the installer ;)`
`22:43.35`	`Mtraker`	`good`
`22:44.06`	`roxville`	`apt, cook molotov cocktail for r2`
`22:44.08`	`apt`	`ACTION puts on his apron and fires up the stove. "Your molotov cocktail will be ready in a little while, r2."`
`22:44.22`	`roxville`	`:D`
`22:44.23`	`Thanatermesis`	`lol`
`22:44.45`	`roxville`	`<r2> wow, I just gave an 88 Key away... <- how COULD YOU!!!!!`
`22:44.45`	`r2`	`Well 1.5 sucked compared to 1.0.7`
`22:44.51`	`Mtraker`	`Thanatermesis, it's a superEnlightenment XD`
`22:45.20`	`r2`	`roxville well the audio was broke, but it's still good as a master keyboard...sorry`
`22:45.50`	`Thanatermesis`	`Mtraker i just don't want to have writed a bad "codename" for this 0.4 series Mtraker ;) "Serenity"`
`22:46.14`	`roxville`	`r2, i just need a usb something`
`22:46.17`	`r2`	`Hmm did you see firefly?`
`22:46.21`	`Mtraker`	`:)`
`22:46.45`	`goldstein`	`i would love to get rid of this cursors...and have the default..`
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`22:46.47`	`r2`	`roxville should be cheap, maybe even on ebay?`
`22:46.48`	`roxville`	`firefly? no...`
`22:46.58`	`roxville`	`yeah... some day...`
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`22:47.11`	`_hugo_`	`_\|_`
`22:47.21`	`r2`	`http://www.serenitymovie.com/main_site.html`
`22:47.23`	`roxville`	`i play guitar mostly... and seldom record myself coz of noisy family...`
`22:47.24`	`goldstein`	`roxville, how do i get the cursors from the 0.3?`
`22:47.39`	`goldstein`	`i believe they were gnome's default..`
`22:47.52`	`roxville`	`goldstein, by installing 0.3 on top of 0.4`
`22:48.02`	`goldstein`	`?`
`22:48.07`	`roxville`	`you gotta be FAST though`
`22:48.10`	`goldstein`	`lol`
`22:48.27`	`goldstein`	`dont kid with me, you know i am a serious guy`
`22:48.43`	`roxville`	`goldstein, i have no idea, but i think thana has included several mouse themes... or was i dreaming?`
`22:48.54`	`Mtraker`	`ah other question Thanatermesis do you remember the problem with acidrip, mencoder,transcode with my dvd? the problem was whith the audio channels original. Chanel 1 Englis, Chanel 2 espanol (fake), Channel 3 English (fake it's a spanish sound)`
`22:49.04`	`goldstein`	`there are 2 themes, but both too fancy..:p`
`22:49.09`	`Mtraker`	`to the en mencoder powa`
`22:49.11`	`roxville`	`<goldstein> dont kid with me, you know i am a serious guy <-- are you not the goldstein i know??`
`22:49.20`	`goldstein`	`lol`
`22:50.08`	`Thanatermesis`	`Mtraker yes, acidrip is good... but i think to is posible to make it better... some things not works in the perfection`
`22:51.07`	`Mtraker`	`but it's good for a dummies. (for me)`
`22:51.11`	`roxville`	`ok, time to go pick wife up from work... bbiab...`
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`22:55.02`	`Mtraker`	`good night a tots , I'm going to sleep`
`22:55.28`	`Mtraker`	`Thanatermesis, (Catanglish) :D`
`22:55.43`	`Thanatermesis`	`lol`
`22:55.47`	`Thanatermesis`	`good night Mtraker`
`22:56.23`	`goldstein`	`where does firefox keeps the passwords?`
`22:57.05`	`Thanatermesis`	`goldstein Edit -> preferences`
`22:58.27`	`goldstein`	`yes, but what the name of the file?`
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`22:59.16`	`Thanatermesis`	`ah.. no idea`
`22:59.22`	`Thanatermesis`	`parse the files`
`22:59.26`	`Thanatermesis`	`on .mozilla`
`22:59.50`	`Thanatermesis`	`but very sure is encrypted, then you don't found this keyword`
`23:00.04`	`Elive_user`	`Somone asked me "help there are no bugs on elive, what should I do next"`
`23:00.14`	`Elive_user`	`lol`
`23:00.40`	`Thanatermesis`	`x en es help there are no bugs on elive, what should I do next`
`23:00.41`	`goldstein`	`Thanatermesis, yes..`
`23:00.55`	`Thanatermesis`	`~x en es help there are no bugs on elive, what should I do next`
`23:01.03`	`Elive_user`	`No hay problemas con elive.`
`23:01.08`	`goldstein`	`what i wanted was to copy that file from my previous install to keep the passwords:)`
`23:01.16`	`Thanatermesis`	`better then :)`
`23:01.30`	`r2`	`is there an opposite command of eject?`
`23:01.34`	`Thanatermesis`	`goldstein ah.. copy your entire .mozilla dir maybe`
`23:01.39`	`Elive_user`	`insecto rofl`
`23:01.41`	`r2`	`I mean to actually load a cd?`
`23:01.43`	`Thanatermesis`	`r2 eject -t`
`23:02.01`	`r2`	`ah cool!`
`23:02.04`	`Thanatermesis`	`man eject ;)`
`23:02.32`	`r2`	`darn I missed it :-)`
`23:03.09`	`_hugo_`	`Thanatermesis, did you see my screenshot?`
`23:04.14`	`Thanatermesis`	`_hugo_ yes, looks nice :)`
`23:04.20`	`Thanatermesis`	`planetarium shot :)`
`23:04.31`	`r2`	`Thana while we're at it, do you know about cdburngui supporting multiple drives?`
`23:04.32`	`_hugo_`	`Thanatermesis, want to use it on your web-page to show the world the power of elive? :D`
`23:05.07`	`Thanatermesis`	`sorry r2, no idea about multiple drives :/`
`23:05.13`	`Thanatermesis`	`i use just cdrecord :)`
`23:05.27`	`r2`	`NP`
`23:05.41`	`Thanatermesis`	`you don't found any thing on the man's r2 ? maybe with a little script you write a good program ;)`
`23:06.01`	`r2`	`Yepp collected a few of them...`
`23:06.11`	`r2`	`Will do that soon`
`23:06.15`	`_hugo_`	`use k3b for burning cd's!`
`23:06.43`	`r2`	`no support for multiple drives (simultaneousely)`
`23:06.58`	`Thanatermesis`	`_hugo_ not bad.. i like it because shows a "customization", a diferent look, maybe we use it, i need to make a look, for this moments you can posible to put it on http://wiki.elivecd.org , im sure to where i have time i make a tour for maybe select things ;)`
`23:07.01`	`r2`	`and the guys are not planning on implementing this :-(`
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`23:07.15`	`_hugo_`	`Thanatermesis, great, thanks :)`
`23:07.24`	`_hugo_`	`Thanatermesis, I can add some other features if you like?`
`23:07.35`	`_hugo_`	`the picture really doesn't show many features :9`
`23:07.35`	`r2`	`apt lilo`
`23:07.37`	`apt`	`Linux boot loader. URL: ftp://lrcftp.epfl.ch/pub/linux/local/lilo/lilo-21.tar.gz, or a freenode op`
`23:07.37`	`_hugo_`	`:)`
`23:07.54`	`Thanatermesis`	`r2 in what consist the multiple drivers recording simultaneously ? for the good optimization ? a kernel special module ? just a special application ? or maybe just good cdrecord/cdrdao commands ?`
`23:07.56`	`r2`	`wow bootloaders even spam these days...what a world!`
`23:08.34`	`Thanatermesis`	`_hugo_ not need features.. its shows "how you can customize the look..", looks good :)`
`23:08.35`	`r2`	`Depends :-) If I have to do it, a script using cdrdao will do...`
`23:09.04`	`_hugo_`	`Thanatermesis, hehe, okay :)`
`23:09.24`	`r2`	`GUI would be a bit nicer, but I think not worth the hassle to bother the developers too much...`
`23:09.30`	`Thanatermesis`	`r2 if cdrdao make this perfectly... where is the problem ? :)`
`23:09.44`	`Thanatermesis`	`with a little script you move mountains ;)`
`23:09.58`	`r2`	`click madness?`
`23:10.20`	`r2`	`I looked at a few scripts, but they'll need some polishment...`
`23:10.36`	`r2`	`Do you know gcdmaster? (comes with cdrdao)`
`23:11.00`	`r2`	`It used to feature multiple drive support, but not anymore somehow...oh well.`
`23:11.13`	`r2`	`Not enough people use that, it seems.`
`23:12.12`	`r2`	`Yepp, at least it'll move stacks of CD-Rs :-)`
`23:12.35`	`r2`	`Then I become famous with my music and then I'll promote elive, ok?`
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`23:12.55`	`Elive_user67`	`where do i click to install this to the hard drive`
`23:13.08`	`r2`	`bottom right icon`
`23:13.27`	`Elive_user67`	`ok thanks.. can't believe i did not see that`
`23:13.28`	`goldstein`	`Thanatermesis, i discovered. its the key3.db with the encription key, i think, and the signons.txt with the passwords`
`23:14.35`	`Thanatermesis`	`r2 do you record normal CD-r or you can also record in "press" mode ?`
`23:14.56`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt x en es Then I become famous with my music and then I'll promote elive, ok?`
`23:14.59`	`r2`	`You mean, do I have a cdpress?`
`23:15.12`	`r2`	`lol`
`23:15.17`	`Thanatermesis`	`goldstein try it.. just backup the new .mozilla of you like to test and if dont works.. recover it ;)`
`23:15.29`	`Thanatermesis`	`lol, sounds good r2`
`23:15.33`	`goldstein`	`it works:)`
`23:15.43`	`r2`	`so this is real? apt translates for you?`
`23:15.45`	`goldstein`	`its just the 2 files`
`23:15.54`	`r2`	`apt x hello mister thanat`
`23:16.05`	`r2`	`ah oh`
`23:16.05`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt is the most powerful bot :)`
`23:16.11`	`_hugo_`	`<3 apt`
`23:16.26`	`r2`	`apt x en es I'm tired`
`23:16.27`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt x en ja say hello in japanese to r2`
`23:16.38`	`Thanatermesis`	`lol`
`23:16.54`	`goldstein`	`lol`
`23:16.54`	`r2`	`so, thana you don't have a lot of friends?`
`23:17.08`	`Thanatermesis`	`what ?`
`23:17.21`	`r2`	`because you have this powerful bot ;-)`
`23:17.31`	`r2`	`what else can apt do?`
`23:17.34`	`Thanatermesis`	`im not writed it`
`23:17.37`	`Thanatermesis`	`is just on this channel`
`23:17.40`	`Thanatermesis`	`is a blootbot`
`23:17.42`	`r2`	`aha`
`23:17.44`	`Thanatermesis`	`and you have it via apt-get install ;)`
`23:17.48`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt blootbot`
`23:17.50`	`apt`	`methinks blootbot is an IRC bot written in perl descended from infobot. Hosted on SF. Patches welcome, submit on SF or mailto:Tim@Rikers.org, or http://blootbot.sourceforge.net/,. I am a blootbot`
`23:17.57`	`r2`	`apt get install ;-)`
`23:18.10`	`Thanatermesis`	`not easy to set up it ;)`
`23:18.22`	`r2`	`it's cool though....`
`23:18.34`	`r2`	`a google bot could be fun too....or a wiki bot!`
`23:18.50`	`r2`	`wiki what is the meaning of live?`
`23:18.53`	`r2`	`apt what is the meaning of live?`
`23:18.55`	`apt`	`r2: I think you lost me on that one`
`23:19.00`	`r2`	`lol`
`23:19.45`	`zenren`	`ah, finally able to use the new firefox (again)`
`23:19.59`	`zenren`	`I was stuck with the 1.0.7 for a few days now :p`
`23:20.12`	`zenren`	`ahem, this is SteveMyers btw`
`23:20.20`	`Thanatermesis`	`zenren not really`
`23:20.25`	`zenren`	`why so?`
`23:20.32`	`zenren`	`it seems broken in the lib`
`23:20.37`	`Thanatermesis`	`if you apt-get dist-upgrade actually, you have firefox 1.5`
`23:20.45`	`Thanatermesis`	`i have just finished to send it to the Elive repositories`
`23:20.48`	`zenren`	`hmm`
`23:20.51`	`zenren`	`ok one sec then`
`23:22.50`	`zenren`	`ok very cool then :)`
`23:23.16`	`zenren`	`Thanatermesis, when are you going to get more devs so you're not the only dev working?`
`23:23.23`	`Thanatermesis`	`try it, if you have a problem tell me ;)`
`23:23.44`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt x en fr when are you going to get more devs so you're not the only dev working?`
`23:23.45`	`_hugo_`	`Thanatermesis, apt-get dist-upgrade is "safe"? :P`
`23:24.16`	`Thanatermesis`	`_hugo_ yes.. and if you have a problem with any package.. upgrade again tomorrow and very posible are solved ;)`
`23:24.29`	`zenren`	`Thanatermesis, runs like a charm and faster to on load time`
`23:24.48`	`_hugo_`	`Thanatermesis, but then my theme will dissapear :( :)`
`23:24.48`	`Thanatermesis`	`zenren yes, im the only dev of Elive... for this moments im work good :)`
`23:24.57`	`zenren`	`hehe`
`23:25.09`	`Thanatermesis`	`_hugo_ theme of what ?`
`23:25.11`	`Thanatermesis`	`aaah.. e17 ?`
`23:25.18`	`_hugo_`	`yap`
`23:25.31`	`_hugo_`	`and changing icons i e17 is still a little troublesome :)`
`23:25.46`	`Thanatermesis`	`yes.. this is a actual thing of e17... new version of e17, new conf, you lost it (you can posible to recover the original Elive conf with elive-skel/elpanel)`
`23:25.49`	`zenren`	`oh just a note to you for you to stick yon your desk, the browser of firefox does a crux like border bug, where it moves to the left and leaves 2 inches wide open on the top corner right of the browser`
`23:25.54`	`r2`	`why change it, anyway?`
`23:26.03`	`Thanatermesis`	`if you have make one time a conf.. not need very time for make it again :)`
`23:26.06`	`r2`	`Doesn't get much better than this ;-)`
`23:26.16`	`_hugo_`	`Thanatermesis, hehe, you're right :)`
`23:26.19`	`Thanatermesis`	`in any case _hugo_ you don't really need to upgrade the system, or e17... if you are happy on it and you don't need more`
`23:26.30`	`_hugo_`	`Thanatermesis, oh, I'm happy :)`
`23:26.40`	`Thanatermesis`	`you have all the programs here, and its running... why upgrade ? :)`
`23:26.44`	`_hugo_`	`then I'll let it be till it comes a crusual upgrade :)`
`23:26.51`	`Thanatermesis`	`upgrade is only if you like VERY one program and you want more features`
`23:26.57`	`r2`	`good nite ya'll`
`23:27.02`	`Thanatermesis`	`or maybe you have found a bug.. and very posible in a upgraded version are solved`
`23:27.20`	`_hugo_`	`Thanatermesis, hm, no serious bugs..`
`23:27.24`	`Thanatermesis`	`good night r2`
`23:27.27`	`_hugo_`	`things crash once in a while`
`23:27.42`	`Thanatermesis`	`_hugo_ in any case e17 is in developement...remember it`
`23:27.48`	`_hugo_`	`Thanatermesis, yes, I know :)`
`23:27.50`	`Thanatermesis`	`if you PLAY A LOT on it (configurations, testing it.. etc)`
`23:27.58`	`Thanatermesis`	`you maybe found bugs`
`23:28.04`	`_hugo_`	`Thanatermesis, yep... especially the kill program tool`
`23:28.07`	`Thanatermesis`	`but if you work normally...`
`23:28.12`	`Thanatermesis`	`im on e17 now.. since 3 days.. no any prolbem`
`23:28.20`	`zenren`	`Thanatermesis, just one in the window application of firefox, the top border of the browser firefox moves to the left and leaves 2 inches open`
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`23:28.29`	`Thanatermesis`	`i don't use special modules... for why ? :)`
`23:28.51`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt x en es just one in the window application of firefox, the top border of the browser firefox moves to the left and leaves 2 inches open`
`23:29.04`	`zenren`	`it only goes away on special ocassions lol`
`23:29.07`	`_hugo_`	`Thanatermesis, actually, you can play around a lot with the modules with no problem :)`
`23:29.11`	`_hugo_`	`at least I can :)`
`23:29.12`	`GPLGeek_`	`lost internet for a while`
`23:29.21`	`GPLGeek_`	`%ident`
`23:29.52`	`Thanatermesis`	`zenren if the ppl wants firefox 1.5 before to enter on etch... this is the consequences, hehe`
`23:29.57`	`_hugo_`	`Thanatermesis, is the screenshot module based on the import command?`
`23:30.04`	`zenren`	`LOL`
`23:30.08`	`zenren`	`true`
`23:30.39`	`Thanatermesis`	`_hugo_ i don't know.. maybe on pure C writed, or maybe on "scrot" command (scrot is from E)`
`23:30.45`	`GPLGeek`	`it will hit etch soon`
`23:31.21`	`Thanatermesis`	`the fonts looks better on firefox 1.5`
`23:31.38`	`zenren`	`agreed, not to big like 1.0.7 was`
`23:32.23`	`zenren`	`brb`
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`23:33.39`	`lordbambi`	`evening`
`23:36.15`	`zenren`	`evening :)`
`23:36.27`	`_hugo_`	`evening :)`
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`23:42.14`	`zenren`	`hey here's a late question, how do you copy/paste on the terminal? it's not like gnome where you highlight and right click and copy..`
`23:42.34`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt copypaste`
`23:42.36`	`apt`	`copypaste is, like, for select any word or lines with the mouse and paste simply by the middle button of the mouse`
`23:42.48`	`zenren`	`ah`
`23:42.49`	`zenren`	`ty Thana`
`23:42.50`	`zenren`	`:)`
`23:44.10`	`Thanatermesis`	`ok... time to write some documentation before the 0.4.2 release :)`
`23:44.40`	`zenren`	`:-D`
`23:44.50`	`zenren`	`get'er done ;)`
`23:45.13`	`zenren`	`Thana`
`23:45.46`	`zenren`	`will this be a iso download requirement for even existing users, or can existing users just apt-get dist-upgrade to that new version?`
`23:46.15`	`Thanatermesis`	`if you don't have any problem in 0.4 you don't need to upgrade to this version.. is just a "better and more decent" release`
`23:46.17`	`Thanatermesis`	`with all the bugs fixed`
`23:46.30`	`zenren`	`eh, I'll go with the new one then ;)`
`23:46.31`	`Thanatermesis`	`you can fix your own bugs if you have.. or if you don't have, then perfect :)`
`23:46.39`	`zenren`	`I got bugs`
`23:46.41`	`zenren`	`believe me`
`23:46.43`	`zenren`	`:p`
`23:46.45`	`Thanatermesis`	`for example ?`
`23:47.40`	`zenren`	`firefox window border, erme in the elive panel not loading, selecting in firefox when highlighting, drop down menu not responding to left click or right click`
`23:48.11`	`zenren`	`just a few others to, but I can't remember them off the top of my head`
`23:48.57`	`zenren`	`oh`
`23:49.20`	`zenren`	`when adding a application in ibar, it does not load when you save it to the right side list`
`23:49.56`	`zenren`	`depending on the application, fore example: firefox`
`23:50.09`	`zenren`	`and a few others that I can't remember`
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`23:54.14`	`Thanatermesis_`	`<Thanatermesis> mmmh`
`23:54.16`	`Thanatermesis_`	`<Thanatermesis> erme in the Elive panel not loads ? running e17 ?`
`23:54.20`	`Thanatermesis_`	`<Thanatermesis> yes but.. e17 things... we can't psoible to fix it`
`23:54.22`	`Thanatermesis_`	`<Thanatermesis> tomorrow maybe works, after tomorrow maybe you have another`
`23:54.24`	`Thanatermesis_`	`apt e17`
`23:54.29`	`apt`	`e17 is, like, IN DEVELOPEMENT, and this is the same to NOT FINISHED, and also thinks to some parts works, and some parts not works, some things are user-friendly, and another not very`
`23:55.20`	`zenren`	`I don't mean to be pushing stuff on you, but the ibox, ibar, and pager do not allow windows to overlap even when you uncheck the option to make them not overlap`
`23:55.28`	`zenren`	`./#end`
`23:55.54`	`Thanatermesis_`	`this is e17 related things... e17 is in developement...`
`23:56.02`	`zenren`	`k`
`23:56.08`	`Thanatermesis_`	`we need just to wait a stable e17 release...`
`23:56.12`	`Thanatermesis_`	`or use e16`
`23:56.15`	`lordbambi`	`apt thanatermesis`
`23:56.16`	`apt`	`hmm... thanatermesis is the founder and leader of Elive. http://thanatermesis.no-ip.org`
`23:56.16`	`Thanatermesis_`	`what is bad on e16 ? :)`
`23:56.22`	`lordbambi`	`hehe`
`23:56.37`	`zenren`	`:p show off`
`23:57.10`	`lordbambi`	`i've got a problem with firefox using to much resources after a while... but i guess that is firefox related`
`23:58.08`	`Thanatermesis_`	`lordbambi upgrade it, we have now firefox 1.5 on the Elive repositories ;)`
`23:58.13`	`Thanatermesis_`	`zenren show off ?`
`23:58.51`	`zenren`	`you know what I can't wait for? is for development to it's own fixing, when a bug is found in the code, it fixes it it's self, or, how about software that can code without making mistakes? now that would be an exciting thing to look forward to :)`
`23:59.08`	`zenren`	`Thanatermesis, lol I was messin with you :)`
`23:59.32`	`lordbambi`	`i just updated this morning....`

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