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| 00:10.22 | Taka0 | <|o/¯¯\o|> |
| 00:17.26 | Taka0 | you ought to be ! |
| 00:17.28 | Taka0 | rawr |
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| 00:59.06 | SteveMyers | Hey guys, GeekMirror.com is now sponsoring EliveCD.org! Check out http://www.geekmirror.com and feel free to submit your site to the directory. |
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| 01:38.14 | fluid21_7 | Hi All. Is there a reason to use iBar over Engage or vice versa under E17? |
| 01:46.52 | pycs | i think none.. |
| 01:47.53 | pycs | though engage should be always at the bottom, imho , because |
| 01:48.50 | pycs | if you put it in the top, it will overlap, when hover your mouse under the icon... |
| 01:50.16 | fluid21_7 | pycs, I should have phrased my question more carefully. |
| 01:50.27 | pycs | ok :) |
| 01:50.36 | fluid21_7 | I seem to have the choice of using the iBar module, or the Engage module |
| 01:50.47 | pycs | or both.. |
| 01:50.53 | fluid21_7 | or both... :-) |
| 01:51.20 | fluid21_7 | is one better, more stable, soon to depriciated compared to the other |
| 01:51.29 | fluid21_7 | ? |
| 01:53.03 | pycs | i don't know, because engage is with e16, but with stability, they are both equal, i think.. |
| 01:53.26 | fluid21_7 | There's an engage module for e17 though |
| 01:55.13 | pycs | yes, i think one feature of engage that makes it preferrable, is its pop up program label, that ibar does not have. |
| 01:55.55 | fluid21_7 | ok, not much difference aside from that then? |
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| 01:56.31 | pycs | yeah, i wish there are more modules like this.. soon :) |
| 01:57.02 | pycs | like putting an icon anywhere you like.. an animated one |
| 01:58.18 | fluid21_7 | pycs, that would be nice |
| 01:59.00 | SteveMyers | fluid21_7, iBar is easier to config than engange, that is my view compared to others. |
| 01:59.04 | pycs | yeah, but i ask raster about that feature, he just said maybe in the future :) |
| 01:59.10 | SteveMyers | It's also a lot nicer to :) |
| 01:59.45 | fluid21_7 | SteveMyers, which is nicer? |
| 01:59.52 | SteveMyers | iBar |
| 02:00.05 | SteveMyers | it's also recommended for newbies on e17 |
| 02:02.49 | fluid21_7 | Well, I certainly fit that bill :-) |
| 02:03.25 | SteveMyers | :) |
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| 02:06.30 | Elive_user49 | not bad, runs now that i upgraded my mobo |
| 02:07.20 | Elive_user49 | locked up booting on my hp's original mobo, ati x200 based mobo |
| 02:27.45 | Thanatermesis | apt awk |
| 02:27.46 | apt | methinks awk is the unix hacker's first scripting language |
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| 02:34.31 | Elive_user | silly question:How do I change the settings of the terminal? The terminal manager does not start. |
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| 03:13.04 | egrub | apt x en es Project Leader Election 2006 is closed. From the mailing list: "The winner of the election is Anthony Towns. I would like to thank all the candidates for their service to the project, for standing for the post of project leader, and for offering the developers a strong and viable group of candidates. Finally, I would like to congratulate Anthony Towns, the Project Leader-elect, for his success. |
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| 04:06.10 | fluid21_7 | pycs, anychance you could email me a copy of terminal.eap ? |
| 04:06.55 | pycs | let me see.. where is eap located again? |
| 04:07.59 | fluid21_7 | ~/.e/e/applcations/all |
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| 04:10.53 | pycs | fluid21_7, ok , can you give me your add? |
| 04:12.39 | pycs | you there? |
| 04:15.16 | fluid21_7 | sorry..small child related disaster |
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| 04:26.55 | withoutclass | w3rd |
| 04:38.09 | fluid21_7 | pycs, that did the trick very nicely. Thank you. |
| 04:38.47 | withoutclass | hi fluid21_7, havent seen u here before, welcome :P |
| 04:39.06 | pycs | fluid21_7, im glad :) |
| 04:39.07 | fluid21_7 | Thank you....a recent install :-) |
| 04:39.24 | withoutclass | =D |
| 04:39.28 | fluid21_7 | I've not used enlightenment for about two years |
| 04:54.45 | withoutclass | oic |
| 04:54.49 | withoutclass | it is very nice |
| 04:56.50 | fluid21_7 | its is indead. E17 is particularly nice |
| 04:57.29 | fluid21_7 | still getting my install organised. I had to download a new kernel and recompile to get devices working etc. |
| 04:57.35 | withoutclass | it is beautiful |
| 04:57.42 | withoutclass | fluid21_7: oOo |
| 04:57.49 | withoutclass | lots of work |
| 04:59.18 | fluid21_7 | I have an odd notebook |
| 04:59.37 | fluid21_7 | LG - LS55 |
| 05:02.59 | withoutclass | coo |
| 05:03.10 | withoutclass | i am very happy with my asus lappy |
| 05:03.38 | fluid21_7 | Centrino chipset? |
| 05:04.13 | Mutacion | bye ppl |
| 05:04.32 | Mutacion | tomorrow ill be in Mexico City :) |
| 05:06.05 | withoutclass | fluid21_7: yes centrino |
| 05:06.48 | fluid21_7 | I had problems with the ipw2200 drivers. I think I was using Elive 0.4 |
| 05:07.01 | fluid21_7 | kernel 2.6.12 |
| 05:07.09 | withoutclass | i have had some problems |
| 05:07.17 | withoutclass | but it hink i may have it working, though i havent had a chance to test this |
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| 05:08.29 | fluid21_7 | I had to update the firmware in /lib/firmware |
| 05:09.14 | fluid21_7 | on boot, I had no network interfaces :-(. I had to download what I needed in winXP then reboot et. etc. |
| 05:11.35 | withoutclass | fluid21_7: with 2.6.15 kernel, the device was never properly discovered, even with right firmware, but, with the falkom kernel, it is identified properly |
| 05:12.43 | fluid21_7 | withoutclass, whats the falkom kernel? I'm running 2.6.16.1 |
| 05:14.02 | withoutclass | falkom is 2.6.15 =D |
| 05:14.07 | withoutclass | it is available from elive |
| 05:14.22 | withoutclass | i didnt realize a 2.6.16 kernel was out |
| 05:14.59 | fluid21_7 | ok, I just downloaded from kernel.org |
| 05:15.36 | fluid21_7 | I don't know if that is bad or not, but my network interfaces are up and go now |
| 05:17.00 | withoutclass | is your wireless working? |
| 05:17.18 | fluid21_7 | yes |
| 05:17.57 | fluid21_7 | got it going yesterday |
| 05:18.42 | withoutclass | dang |
| 05:19.13 | withoutclass | i havent had much luck with mine yet, although igot the the VPN secure site for my schols wireless network, which is usually a good sign that i connected to anything :P |
| 05:20.22 | fluid21_7 | :-) |
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| 05:29.04 | fluid21_7 | withoutclass: I've just got problems with my rtc and soundcard to deal with now |
| 05:30.23 | withoutclass | apt esd-help |
| 05:30.24 | apt | methinks esd-help is as super user: echo "esd -nobeeps -terminate -as 1 &" > /etc/rc2.d/S80esd, then chmod +x /etc/rc2.d/S80esd, then reboot |
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| 05:30.43 | withoutclass | maybe this will help you |
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| 05:36.04 | withoutclass | sweet, i shoulda tried this before, wireless at my school supports pptp, so much easier to try and configure |
| 05:36.25 | withoutclass | sup roxroxrox |
| 05:36.26 | withoutclass | lol |
| 05:36.41 | roxroxrox | <roxville> are you talking about the BG i made for you? |
| 05:36.41 | roxroxrox | <roxville> the wide one |
| 05:36.46 | roxroxrox | hey withoutclass |
| 05:37.03 | roxroxrox | i'm timing out as soon as i log in... is very annoying |
| 05:37.12 | SteveMyers | lol |
| 05:37.36 | SteveMyers | poor rox |
| 05:37.46 | withoutclass | dang |
| 05:37.50 | withoutclass | crazy as hell |
| 05:37.54 | withoutclass | ISP problem |
| 05:37.55 | withoutclass | ? |
| 05:38.30 | withoutclass | i <3 the dark BG |
| 05:38.33 | withoutclass | still use it all the time |
| 05:38.54 | roxville_ | cool, i'm glad you liked it :) |
| 05:39.05 | withoutclass | ^_^d |
| 05:39.20 | withoutclass | i have also remember the convienience of gaim |
| 05:39.27 | withoutclass | and now use irc with it instead of xchat |
| 05:40.23 | SteveMyers | night guys :) |
| 05:40.28 | withoutclass | night SteveMyers |
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| 05:43.18 | withoutclass | the only downside to gaim is it doesnt want to accept my /away commands |
| 05:56.07 | withoutclass | nighty nighty |
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| 06:51.10 | Elive_user | frotmatter |
| 06:51.29 | LinuxNIT | hello |
| 06:51.44 | Elive_user | cool hey |
| 06:51.54 | LinuxNIT | hows it goin |
| 06:52.09 | Elive_user | diggin the elive ya know |
| 06:52.16 | LinuxNIT | lol oh yeah |
| 06:52.50 | Elive_user | doesn't do everything but damn near |
| 06:52.58 | LinuxNIT | whats it not do? |
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| 06:53.39 | Elive_user | i want to stream the x desktopto an icecast or shoutcast video stream |
| 06:53.58 | Elive_user | live video stream |
| 06:55.02 | Elive_user | theres an app called istanbul thats supposed to do it but i cant get it to work |
| 06:55.10 | LinuxNIT | im sure thats installable then ;) |
| 06:55.12 | LinuxNIT | oh |
| 06:55.32 | LinuxNIT | you installed elive? |
| 06:56.21 | Elive_user | yeah ive got the old one 3 something on the slow laptop and 4.2 on a faster desktop |
| 06:56.53 | LinuxNIT | and did istanbul install? |
| 06:57.06 | Elive_user | couldnt get 4.2 to go wireless thats why im using the older version on LT |
| 06:57.26 | Elive_user | did istanbul on the 4.2 install but no joy |
| 06:57.35 | LinuxNIT | what chipset do you use for wifi? |
| 06:58.19 | Elive_user | it's a prism2 I belive...USRobotics B...PCMCIA |
| 06:59.43 | Elive_user | don't know couldn't get the wireless to go with 4.2 figured i'd wait for the next version |
| 07:00.14 | Elive_user | hope it's soon..elive is what i always wanted in a linux distro |
| 07:00.17 | LinuxNIT | did you modprobe the diver for it? |
| 07:00.52 | Elive_user | mmm..no don't guess so I'm a noob..not too savvy with the linux |
| 07:01.00 | LinuxNIT | hehe |
| 07:01.05 | LinuxNIT | np |
| 07:01.20 | LinuxNIT | we were all noob at one point ;) |
| 07:01.33 | LinuxNIT | even the developers |
| 07:01.39 | LinuxNIT | shhhh dont let then know i said that |
| 07:02.07 | Elive_user | ive tried many distros..and elive is the best overall. |
| 07:02.27 | Elive_user | i hopeit continues to be developed |
| 07:02.28 | LinuxNIT | Elive_user, do you happen to know what module version 3 uses for your wifi card? |
| 07:03.02 | Elive_user | uhh no..can you tell me where to look? |
| 07:03.17 | LinuxNIT | lsmod |
| 07:03.49 | LinuxNIT | will show all loaded modules |
| 07:04.31 | LinuxNIT | pcimodules will show the needed modules for pci devices (wifi is in there) |
| 07:04.31 | Elive_user | orinoco_cs pcmcia orinoco hermes ... ?? |
| 07:04.51 | LinuxNIT | sounds right |
| 07:05.04 | LinuxNIT | so do this |
| 07:05.14 | Elive_user | go ahead |
| 07:05.32 | LinuxNIT | modprobe -l | grep *orinoco* |
| 07:05.44 | LinuxNIT | sho me the result in pastebin.com |
| 07:07.03 | LinuxNIT | do you understand that command i just gave you? |
| 07:07.22 | Elive_user | not paste bin . com |
| 07:07.34 | wasynyt | good morning everyone |
| 07:07.35 | wasynyt | :D |
| 07:07.39 | LinuxNIT | morning |
| 07:08.02 | LinuxNIT | Elive_user, copy the output from that command and paste it into pastebin.com |
| 07:08.15 | wasynyt | and giver us the link |
| 07:08.21 | LinuxNIT | yeah |
| 07:08.24 | LinuxNIT | :> |
| 07:08.34 | wasynyt | :) |
| 07:08.42 | Elive_user | trying |
| 07:08.44 | LinuxNIT | k |
| 07:09.15 | Elive_user | i tyed command into terminal but there was no output |
| 07:09.25 | LinuxNIT | oh |
| 07:10.15 | LinuxNIT | dadgum why do i always get caught outside wlive |
| 07:10.15 | Elive_user | ok ok got out put...now abut copy and patse didnt understand that part |
| 07:10.55 | LinuxNIT | ? |
| 07:11.03 | wasynyt | ? |
| 07:11.15 | LinuxNIT | go to http://www.pastebin.com |
| 07:11.32 | Elive_user | roger that stand by |
| 07:12.12 | LinuxNIT | highlight the output in the terminal and paste it into the box in http://www.pastebin.com. (highlight the text and use the middle click to paste) |
| 07:12.36 | Elive_user | how copy from terminal? stupid noob |
| 07:12.45 | LinuxNIT | highlight the output in the terminal and paste it into the box in http://www.pastebin.com. (highlight the text and use the middle click to paste) |
| 07:13.20 | LinuxNIT | well its not exactly obvious how to do it either ;) |
| 07:13.37 | wasynyt | and its extremele hard to explain |
| 07:13.44 | LinuxNIT | :> |
| 07:13.59 | Elive_user | no middle button only right and left!! |
| 07:14.03 | Elive_user | hahah |
| 07:14.06 | LinuxNIT | lol |
| 07:14.31 | LinuxNIT | wasynyt, you know ahy key shortcuts for cp paste in elive? |
| 07:14.53 | Elive_user | how about a screen shot on my web page..i cou;d do that |
| 07:15.02 | LinuxNIT | ight |
| 07:15.03 | LinuxNIT | lol |
| 07:15.10 | wasynyt | i think standart controll+c controll+v should work |
| 07:15.29 | LinuxNIT | umm control+c canells command |
| 07:15.36 | wasynyt | :( |
| 07:15.37 | LinuxNIT | or gives a new line |
| 07:15.52 | LinuxNIT | ie kills current operation |
| 07:15.55 | LinuxNIT | :> |
| 07:16.02 | LinuxNIT | something like that |
| 07:16.04 | wasynyt | hmm right click gives menu ? there copy |
| 07:16.04 | LinuxNIT | lol |
| 07:16.14 | LinuxNIT | dunno im not in elive lol |
| 07:16.22 | wasynyt | i am not either :S |
| 07:16.29 | LinuxNIT | but i didnt think there was that option |
| 07:16.37 | LinuxNIT | wasynyt i am not either :S << LOL |
| 07:16.44 | Elive_user | see that screencasting trick would be handy right now haha |
| 07:16.51 | LinuxNIT | lol |
| 07:17.10 | LinuxNIT | well im on dialup atm lol |
| 07:17.39 | Elive_user | i thought the command scrot would do a screen shot but no joy |
| 07:17.58 | LinuxNIT | use gimp |
| 07:18.01 | wasynyt | hmm then there is this notorius linux trick.. if you have enabled it by pressing simulataniusly right&left mouse buttons it is used as midle mouse button click |
| 07:18.02 | wasynyt | :D |
| 07:18.22 | LinuxNIT | wasynyt, sweet |
| 07:18.35 | LinuxNIT | Elive_user, try that |
| 07:18.38 | wasynyt | in install many distross ask to simulate three button mouse |
| 07:19.08 | Elive_user | tried it no joy |
| 07:19.17 | LinuxNIT | dont work in windows either |
| 07:19.19 | LinuxNIT | lol |
| 07:19.27 | Elive_user | haha |
| 07:19.31 | LinuxNIT | gimp willl do the screeny for ya ;) |
| 07:19.51 | LinuxNIT | file > aquire > screenshot |
| 07:19.56 | LinuxNIT | iirc |
| 07:20.19 | Elive_user | ok ill just type it thares only five modules |
| 07:20.27 | LinuxNIT | lol |
| 07:20.33 | LinuxNIT | k |
| 07:20.34 | Elive_user | orinoco_tmd.ko |
| 07:20.36 | wasynyt | :D |
| 07:20.48 | Elive_user | orinoco_plx.ko |
| 07:20.49 | LinuxNIT | works for me :D |
| 07:21.05 | Elive_user | orinoco_pci.ko |
| 07:21.14 | Elive_user | orinoco.ko |
| 07:21.19 | LinuxNIT | ok good |
| 07:21.26 | Elive_user | orinoco_cs.ko |
| 07:21.31 | Elive_user | :) |
| 07:21.47 | LinuxNIT | so in 0.4.2 do modprobe orinoco and you should get wifi |
| 07:22.16 | Elive_user | all in lib/modules/2.6.11/kernal/drivers/net/wireless |
| 07:22.47 | LinuxNIT | you canverify that the module works by looking at the output for iwconfig |
| 07:23.02 | LinuxNIT | it will tell if a network device has wifi extensions |
| 07:23.09 | Elive_user | i'll try that |
| 07:23.33 | LinuxNIT | Elive_user, did you understand what the command did that gave you those 5 modules? |
| 07:23.50 | Elive_user | the cd drive is crapping out on the LT so it's alittle dicy going live CD |
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| 07:24.02 | LinuxNIT | that sucks |
| 07:24.22 | Elive_user | modprobe list filtering for orinoco?? |
| 07:24.37 | Elive_user | something like that? |
| 07:24.40 | LinuxNIT | yeah basically |
| 07:25.04 | Elive_user | feel free to explain i know nothing |
| 07:25.21 | LinuxNIT | you can use | (called a pipe) to send output to any program |
| 07:25.33 | Elive_user | ok |
| 07:25.48 | fluid21_7 | If anyone is problems with /dev/rtc timeing out on boot, please msg me. |
| 07:26.11 | LinuxNIT | so we did modprobe -l to list the modules then used | to send the output to grep which searched for the work orinoco with *'s as wildcards |
| 07:26.41 | LinuxNIT | work=word |
| 07:27.09 | LinuxNIT | Elive_user, make sense? |
| 07:27.25 | Elive_user | cool i learned something...i removed the wild cards to get the out out though.. |
| 07:27.41 | LinuxNIT | lol |
| 07:27.43 | LinuxNIT | true |
| 07:27.48 | LinuxNIT | this is grep lol |
| 07:28.01 | LinuxNIT | wildcards are more for the find command hehe |
| 07:28.44 | LinuxNIT | i think grep naturaly searches for all words containing the given word |
| 07:29.27 | Elive_user | im gonna try modprobe orinoco on 4.2 ASAP thanks a bunch!! |
| 07:29.38 | LinuxNIT | np |
| 07:29.41 | LinuxNIT | hope it works |
| 07:29.57 | LinuxNIT | if not come here and some one should be able to help ya |
| 07:30.08 | Elive_user | wish i could contribute to the project but no dollars |
| 07:30.20 | Elive_user | plenty of time though |
| 07:30.23 | LinuxNIT | i know what ya mean |
| 07:30.36 | LinuxNIT | lol |
| 07:30.56 | Elive_user | i am really impressed with this work..it is art yaknow |
| 07:31.10 | LinuxNIT | btw Elive_user it is suggested that you change your nick though ;) |
| 07:31.17 | LinuxNIT | i agree |
| 07:31.21 | wasynyt | Elive_user, change your nick and start hanging in this chat.. |
| 07:31.22 | LinuxNIT | its awsome |
| 07:31.34 | Elive_user | super slick installing software on the fly and working too...pretty fast too |
| 07:31.48 | wasynyt | that way you can help others -> help elive |
| 07:31.51 | LinuxNIT | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:31.56 | Elive_user | mmm ok lets see if i can figure it out... |
| 07:32.12 | LinuxNIT | hehe too late i just told ya |
| 07:32.12 | LinuxNIT | lol |
| 07:32.30 | LinuxNIT | or just click on you nick |
| 07:32.34 | LinuxNIT | lol |
| 07:32.39 | LinuxNIT | he took it literally |
| 07:32.40 | LinuxNIT | :> |
| 07:32.48 | newnick | hahah |
| 07:33.01 | LinuxNIT | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:33.16 | transient | hahaha |
| 07:33.29 | transient | ok thats me just passing trough |
| 07:33.34 | LinuxNIT | note.... fooo is often used as a variable for what ever is needed for your application |
| 07:33.47 | LinuxNIT | application/situation/want |
| 07:33.48 | transient | roger foo |
| 07:33.59 | wasynyt | :D |
| 07:34.36 | LinuxNIT | any more questions ? afore i depart? |
| 07:34.54 | LinuxNIT | or shall i just leave you in the hands of wasynyt |
| 07:35.06 | LinuxNIT | lol jk wasynyt |
| 07:35.27 | LinuxNIT | transient, wasynyt is good help to |
| 07:35.46 | LinuxNIT | ok i talk tooo much |
| 07:35.46 | transient | cool man thanks alot...peace |
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| 07:35.49 | LinuxNIT | np |
| 07:35.58 | LinuxNIT | anytime |
| 07:36.02 | LinuxNIT | well goodnight all |
| 07:36.07 | transient | stay cool |
| 07:36.14 | LinuxNIT | and transient enjoy elive ;) |
| 07:36.25 | transient | will do! |
| 07:36.29 | LinuxNIT | late wasynyt |
| 07:36.55 | wasynyt | good night LinuxNIT |
| 07:36.59 | LinuxNIT | wasynyt, i was just teasing i hope youre not ma |
| 07:37.00 | LinuxNIT | d |
| 07:37.04 | LinuxNIT | oh good |
| 07:37.04 | wasynyt | nope |
| 07:37.12 | LinuxNIT | thought youd stopped talking to me |
| 07:37.16 | LinuxNIT | :> |
| 07:37.20 | LinuxNIT | later dudes |
| 07:37.25 | wasynyt | ahh i was playing one manager game |
| 07:37.30 | LinuxNIT | lol |
| 07:37.32 | wasynyt | :DF |
| 07:37.33 | wasynyt | :D |
| 07:37.37 | LinuxNIT | night |
| 07:38.10 | transient | so is this project coming outof Brasil? |
| 07:38.43 | transient | spain? france? haha whos responsible? |
| 07:39.29 | wasynyt | i think its goming from belgien.. ask Thanatermesis who is main dev and the one behind everything |
| 07:40.12 | transient | oh ok..well it sure is trick..porno super spooky spy shit |
| 07:40.40 | wasynyt | hmm what do you mean by that |
| 07:40.41 | transient | yeah he's a virtuoso! |
| 07:40.55 | wasynyt | true.. we all agree that |
| 07:41.08 | transient | it's the kind of system youd see a spy in a movie using |
| 07:41.18 | wasynyt | could be :D |
| 07:41.40 | wasynyt | but it would have to be burned into mini-dvd |
| 07:41.45 | wasynyt | :D |
| 07:42.11 | transient | there is an encrypted voip program called ihu available in apt |
| 07:42.40 | transient | putty ssh kismet aircrack...etc etc |
| 07:42.43 | wasynyt | is there ? i havent used elive for awhile |
| 07:43.01 | transient | ihu is available with apt-get |
| 07:43.13 | transient | it seems to work good too |
| 07:43.27 | wasynyt | :D |
| 07:44.16 | transient | need a how to on ssh to a third party and tunneling a real time chat with encryption |
| 07:44.26 | wasynyt | hmm |
| 07:44.47 | transient | for the freedom fighters haha :) sorry just a vivid imagination |
| 07:44.59 | wasynyt | :D |
| 07:45.34 | transient | this is really good learning tool for linux though |
| 07:45.53 | wasynyt | http://www.sshkeychain.org/mirrors/SSH-with-Keys-HOWTO/ |
| 07:45.59 | wasynyt | something about ssh |
| 07:46.24 | transient | checking it out cool |
| 07:46.41 | wasynyt | http://geodsoft.com/howto/ssh/ |
| 07:46.46 | wasynyt | something more |
| 07:47.34 | transient | cool i've read alot of ssh stuff but nothing exactly what i'm thinking |
| 07:47.41 | wasynyt | hope those help you even a little |
| 07:47.52 | transient | guess the PTB don't wanr us doing that |
| 07:48.02 | wasynyt | well what are you thinking |
| 07:48.26 | transient | im thinking instant comms with no snooping |
| 07:48.35 | wasynyt | ? |
| 07:48.43 | transient | through firewalls |
| 07:48.46 | wasynyt | hmm |
| 07:49.32 | transient | also i'm wanting to do live screencasting x11 to a video stream over web |
| 07:50.31 | transient | connect to four webcams and broadcast four for the price of one |
| 07:50.44 | wasynyt | i think you should try vpn |
| 07:51.13 | transient | yeah the info on vpn has been kind hard to get my head around |
| 07:51.41 | transient | i have a smoothwall and a monowall that would doit if i had the kungfu skill |
| 07:53.14 | transient | if you want to check out my web page that might give a clue whats in my head |
| 07:53.31 | wasynyt | i think you should wait so that someone who knows about networking appears hear :D hmm i think that everyone will be here in next evening (20.0 here) some 10 hours from here |
| 07:53.32 | transient | http://thetransient.kicks-ass.net |
| 07:53.36 | wasynyt | yeah show me |
| 07:55.10 | wasynyt | hmm so you want those cams to be real time ? |
| 07:55.24 | transient | therers a couple of video streams click the pics |
| 07:55.42 | transient | there just not exactly what i want |
| 07:56.16 | transient | yes reltime video from a linux desktop |
| 07:57.03 | transient | like vnc output with audio to a icecast theora of shoutcast nsv |
| 07:57.09 | wasynyt | :D |
| 07:58.19 | transient | just goofin around really trying to keep learning and not be too bored or idle yaknow |
| 07:58.43 | wasynyt | i know |
| 07:59.15 | transient | the app "istanbul" is supposed to doit but i havent been able to get it to work yet |
| 08:00.02 | wasynyt | hmm i think you should wait for the true pros to apper.. this evening some 10 hours from here |
| 08:00.46 | transient | roger that..time to catch a nap...that would be around noon here |
| 08:00.57 | wasynyt | its 11 am here |
| 08:01.29 | transient | 2am US Mountain - New Mexico USA |
| 08:01.35 | wasynyt_away | :D |
| 08:02.01 | wasynyt_away | 11.00 Mikkeli Finland |
| 08:02.20 | transient | cool finland how's the weather |
| 08:03.07 | wasynyt_away | nice +3 Celsius |
| 08:03.21 | wasynyt_away | and cloudy :( |
| 08:03.26 | transient | sounds a little bit chilly |
| 08:03.30 | wasynyt_away | it is |
| 08:03.44 | wasynyt_away | but from -15 celsius... |
| 08:04.26 | transient | it has been very warm here this winter 40F at nite and 60's in the day quite warm no snow this year |
| 08:05.05 | transient | all the conspirisists are saying its weather modification...chemtrails |
| 08:05.22 | wasynyt_away | :D |
| 08:05.45 | wasynyt_away | well i must go and get something to eat |
| 08:05.50 | wasynyt_away | -> breakfast |
| 08:05.53 | transient | don't know if i buy it but i guess it could be |
| 08:06.02 | transient | cool man good chat thanks |
| 08:07.17 | transient | peace...signing off |
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| 08:51.01 | fluid21_7 | If I'm dual booting win winxp, should I not set /etc/timezone ? |
| 08:55.04 | dererk | WHY not? |
| 08:55.26 | Lightning_ThB | WHY use Windoze XP ? |
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| 09:00.30 | pycs | in world of open walls, why use windows? :) |
| 09:00.55 | Thanatermesis | windows give problems everytime... this is the problem |
| 09:01.04 | dererk | pycs, really it's: |
| 09:01.33 | dererk | "In a world without Walls or Fences we don't need Windows nor Gates" |
| 09:01.37 | Thanatermesis | windows no only change the time of the system... but also touch the time of your bios and your nuts |
| 09:01.42 | dererk | pycs, ^^ |
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| 09:03.17 | fluid21_7 | I still have some software that won't rub under wine :-( |
| 09:03.26 | fluid21_7 | s/rub/run |
| 09:04.10 | pycs | dererk, your's is way cooler :) |
| 09:04.20 | dererk | ^^ |
| 09:04.44 | dererk | "I'm just a messenger", pycs xD |
| 09:04.55 | fluid21_7 | Thanatermesis, I don't know if I like windows touching me there...it makes me feel dirty |
| 09:04.56 | dererk | (got that?) XD |
| 09:05.08 | dererk | fluid21_7, Indeed |
| 09:06.43 | Thanatermesis | lol |
| 09:07.30 | Thanatermesis | <fluid21_7> I still have some software that won't rub under wine :-( |
| 09:07.39 | Thanatermesis | what style of software ? |
| 09:07.45 | fluid21_7 | accounting |
| 09:08.15 | fluid21_7 | MYOB |
| 09:08.29 | pycs | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:08.30 | fluid21_7 | or MYKNOB if you prefer |
| 09:08.39 | dererk | pycs, lmao! |
| 09:08.55 | Thanatermesis | hehehe |
| 09:09.03 | Thanatermesis | sorry fluid21_7, i don't know this programs... |
| 09:09.06 | Thanatermesis | for what is ? |
| 09:09.23 | fluid21_7 | Business accounting package |
| 09:09.52 | Thanatermesis | ssh ? |
| 09:10.13 | dererk | ssh? O_O |
| 09:10.20 | fluid21_7 | http://myob.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1105078110482&pagename=MYOB%2FPage%2FHomePageTemplate&site=en_AU&c=Page |
| 09:13.48 | Thanatermesis | features: find the right product for your bussiness, select your point of sale, get support for your software (this software?)... |
| 09:13.56 | Thanatermesis | this don't say's really anything for me... |
| 09:14.05 | Thanatermesis | i don't undersand what can be posible to make this software for me |
| 09:14.10 | fluid21_7 | I'd love to remove m$ from my life, but its going to be a slow proccess |
| 09:14.35 | Thanatermesis | nah, its a fast process... just rm -rf /mnt/windows and wait around 2 or 3 minutes ;) |
| 09:14.46 | fluid21_7 | :-) |
| 09:14.55 | Thanatermesis | hehehe |
| 09:15.15 | fluid21_7 | It will happen, don't you worry |
| 09:15.30 | Thanatermesis | what can me make this software for you ? for example |
| 09:15.48 | fluid21_7 | All of our servers at work are running Solaris / NetBSD or Linux |
| 09:15.52 | Thanatermesis | im trying to understand the functionality of it |
| 09:16.05 | Thanatermesis | nice :) |
| 09:16.10 | fluid21_7 | It manages a companies books / accounts |
| 09:16.30 | pycs | fluid21_7, have you tried crossover? |
| 09:16.46 | Thanatermesis | hum |
| 09:16.55 | Thanatermesis | fluid21_7 you are on Elive right now ? |
| 09:17.03 | fluid21_7 | yep |
| 09:17.19 | Thanatermesis | ok, try this |
| 09:17.27 | fluid21_7 | I haven't looked at crossover office for quite some time |
| 09:17.38 | fluid21_7 | fire away |
| 09:17.51 | Thanatermesis | fluid21_7, do you know "bulmages" ? |
| 09:18.01 | fluid21_7 | No |
| 09:18.10 | Thanatermesis | i have included bulmages on Elive very long time ago... |
| 09:18.19 | Thanatermesis | im not sure if really works actually |
| 09:18.22 | Thanatermesis | but try it :) |
| 09:18.27 | Thanatermesis | apt-get install bulmages-elive |
| 09:18.28 | fluid21_7 | ok, I've been in solaris land for some time now |
| 09:18.53 | pycs | maybe you should try if it works, download the latest crossover.deb from aMule :D |
| 09:19.37 | Thanatermesis | http://www.iglues.org/capturasbc.php |
| 09:19.39 | Thanatermesis | http://www.iglues.org/capturasbf.php |
| 09:19.46 | Thanatermesis | this is some screenshots of bulmages |
| 09:20.11 | Thanatermesis | the site is in spanish but... you look "what is exactly", maybe is what you need |
| 09:20.18 | Thanatermesis | is software for enterprises basically |
| 09:22.43 | Thanatermesis | oh... crossover is a launcher of windows things... |
| 09:23.31 | Thanatermesis | fluid21_7 from my memory, just install the package "bulmages-elive" and after launch "bulmages" and it creates automatically the user account to the database and all |
| 09:23.47 | Thanatermesis | you just need to login with your user then |
| 09:24.33 | fluid21_7 | I've used some sort of commercial version of QEMU before to try and get away from M$ |
| 09:25.50 | Thanatermesis | in any case, the better thing is to use directly software for the correct OS ;) |
| 09:26.04 | Thanatermesis | im sure to exist good equivalents |
| 09:26.07 | tuxit | anyone here with a bit of autofoo experience ?? |
| 09:26.08 | Thanatermesis | is NEEDED |
| 09:26.57 | Thanatermesis | linux is better than windows for anything, but speaking about serious usages... for the enterprises... and the enterprises needs this kind of software |
| 09:27.09 | fluid21_7 | Thanatermesis, once a companies accounts are recorded in one closed format, its unlikely that they'll be able to switch over |
| 09:27.43 | Thanatermesis | fluid21_7 make a look to this screenshot, this is the kind of software of you need? http://alts.homelinux.net/shots/199-0.jpg |
| 09:28.50 | Thanatermesis | the problem is the fear... and the word "free" is scary for the enterprises |
| 09:29.07 | fluid21_7 | Thanatermesis, kind of, buy its a little unsophisticated compared to the package we run at the moment |
| 09:29.21 | tuxit | no thana corps are getting smarter |
| 09:29.30 | tuxit | the word gpl makes them scared |
| 09:29.31 | Thanatermesis | but if im a enterprise, i have erased windows from my list of provitors very long time ago |
| 09:29.56 | Thanatermesis | crashes, blue screens, data lost, random bugs... what is this a type of minimum seriousity ? |
| 09:30.01 | fluid21_7 | We'd need to be able to transfer all of our data from the old system to the new..which is a problem with a closed system |
| 09:30.50 | Thanatermesis | you are slave now then :) lol |
| 09:30.57 | tuxit | you do NOT convince a corp on technical terms |
| 09:31.01 | Thanatermesis | don't start touching it... and you are saved lol |
| 09:31.04 | fluid21_7 | I try quite hard to switch everything I can over to open systems, but its quite difficult |
| 09:31.11 | tuxit | then microsoft always wins if you try that |
| 09:31.43 | Thanatermesis | i imagine to its dificult |
| 09:31.56 | tuxit | I'm in this fight since 1994 |
| 09:32.12 | tuxit | corps now start to accept linux and open software |
| 09:32.15 | Thanatermesis | but with a good administrator, important data saved, trasfered by a way or another... all its posible, maybe not 100x100 but a good percent |
| 09:32.18 | tuxit | just because it cost them nothing |
| 09:32.31 | tuxit | they are also not planning to give back to the community |
| 09:32.45 | fluid21_7 | Most of the companies I know run *nix in the server room, but windows on the desktop |
| 09:32.46 | tuxit | putting lawyers on the gpl to find holes |
| 09:32.50 | tuxit | yes |
| 09:33.00 | tuxit | that is the best compromise you will find |
| 09:33.20 | tuxit | you cannot expect a secretary to learn a technical system as unix to type her letters |
| 09:33.26 | Thanatermesis | fluid21_7 the screenshot of i have show you, is bulmages, we have one of the developers sometimes in this channel, and this is the real reason of why i have included bulmages, for this person |
| 09:34.11 | fluid21_7 | interoperability is also a problem. For example, can I take the data file from bulmages and give it to our accountant at the end of the year..probably not unfortunately |
| 09:34.19 | Thanatermesis | i recomend if you like to install the package "bulmages-elive", and try a little to play with it for look "what looks", and if you like this program and you think to its good for you... i rebuild it in the last version ;) |
| 09:34.36 | Thanatermesis | because is very old version, and also has bad characters in the interface... is since Elive 0.1 |
| 09:34.45 | fluid21_7 | installed already :-) |
| 09:36.02 | fluid21_7 | I really just need a way to run our current software under linux. QEMU could be one method, wine could be another |
| 09:36.20 | tuxit | did you tried Xen allready ?? |
| 09:36.47 | fluid21_7 | no, I've been reading a little about it in the release notes for NetBSD 3.0 |
| 09:36.56 | Thanatermesis | fluid21_7 do you kknow to Elive launch automatically the CDs of type windows ? ;) lol |
| 09:37.12 | fluid21_7 | yes |
| 09:37.33 | fluid21_7 | MYOB install fails :-( |
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| 09:38.07 | Thanatermesis | it uses wine by default |
| 09:38.23 | fluid21_7 | I've also tried running the already installed MYOB on my WinXP partition |
| 09:42.03 | fluid21_7 | Thanatermesis, Elive is very impressive. I've been handing out copies to the more tech inclined of my clients |
| 09:42.22 | tuxit | handing out copies too hehehe |
| 09:42.31 | tuxit | got lots of friends that wants to go back to linux |
| 09:42.37 | tuxit | and asking me what a good distro is |
| 09:42.43 | Thanatermesis | thanks :) |
| 09:42.46 | fluid21_7 | However, there's no way I could've given a CD to my business partner for example. |
| 09:43.16 | fluid21_7 | Because, I've had to recompile the kernel to get my network interface up and running (ipw2200bg) |
| 09:43.29 | fluid21_7 | and still haven't got sound going as yet |
| 09:43.43 | Thanatermesis | aparently not works good in the 0.4* releases |
| 09:43.52 | Thanatermesis | but one person has say to works good in the tests of 0.5 :) |
| 09:44.31 | fluid21_7 | I downloaded a 2.6.16-1 kernel from kernel.org and all was well with the network interfaces |
| 09:46.48 | Thanatermesis | for the next release i want a very more big compatibility with misc hardware, specially with wirless cards |
| 09:47.14 | tuxit | a friend had big problems too with his wireless |
| 09:47.24 | Thanatermesis | this is the actual list of the drivers "extra" for the kernel used in the next release: http://thana.no-ip.org/trac/wiki/HowtoInstallKernel#ThebarisopenChoiceyourbetterflavourhellip |
| 09:48.14 | Thanatermesis | wireless has very problems, don't exist a "real little standard", all type of cards works diferent and its hard to make all working |
| 09:48.26 | tuxit | yes its a general problem in linux land |
| 09:48.52 | tuxit | plus many drivers are working "half" because the companies making them do not release enough info to make a decent driver |
| 09:49.58 | fluid21_7 | The elive that I downloaded, had a 2.5.12 kernel (was that 0.4?). The only problem was that I had no ndiswrapper module, and absolutely no working network interfaces |
| 09:52.08 | fluid21_7 | 2.6.12 I mean |
| 09:52.29 | Thanatermesis | yes, i know |
| 09:52.35 | Thanatermesis | yes, 0.4* |
| 09:52.41 | Thanatermesis | 0.5 is close :) |
| 09:52.54 | Thanatermesis | the system is totally new, very improvmenets internally of the system |
| 09:53.08 | Thanatermesis | and for now... all the tests of i have done works perfectly, also the installation :) |
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| 09:54.00 | fluid21_7 | so do I just do an apt-get dist-upgrade when the time comes ? |
| 09:54.05 | Thanatermesis | i need just to play a little now for give it a "new look" by default (default Elive look also added, but no by default) |
| 09:55.11 | Thanatermesis | not really... when a dist-upgrade you just upgrade the packges, but if you really want "all" and the new system, you need to use or install the new system, its internally a big change |
| 09:55.32 | Thanatermesis | but.. if you just need the new kernel for exmaple... install it, add the entry in the grub.. etc, not is very hard |
| 09:56.25 | fluid21_7 | thats what I've done to get my hardware working |
| 09:57.28 | fluid21_7 | Out of curiosity and ignorance, why not the 2.6.16-1 kernel for the distro? Kernel.org reports this as the latest stable kernel. |
| 09:58.17 | Thanatermesis | just because 2.6.15 is the actual release in the actual debian of uses Elive |
| 09:58.54 | Thanatermesis | Elive is a debian system, very customized, yes, but totally compatible with debian (by default uses the repository of debian and elive, when you upgrade, you upgrade from both repositories) |
| 09:59.13 | fluid21_7 | aah, ok. Will it cause problems for me now that i've installed the .16-1 kernel ? |
| 09:59.26 | Thanatermesis | 2.6.15 is the actual kernel of this debian... and needs a minimum of compatibility (versions of udev, cdrecord etc.. for example) |
| 09:59.43 | fluid21_7 | with package management etc? |
| 09:59.57 | Thanatermesis | maybe, try it :) if you have problems, boot with another kernel option |
| 10:00.17 | fluid21_7 | I'm running 16.1 as we speak |
| 10:00.31 | Thanatermesis | this new 2.6.* kernels uses "new tecnology", its more delicated, with dbus, initrd, udev... etc |
| 10:00.50 | fluid21_7 | no problems that I didn't have before the upgrade, and some problems gone :-) |
| 10:00.50 | Thanatermesis | in 2.4, its really more stable, you can use any kernel on any system without worry for anything |
| 10:03.38 | fluid21_7 | Thanatermesis, I get a /dev/rtc timeout error on boot with all kernels. Any tips ? |
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| 10:05.39 | Thanatermesis | try "modprobe rtc" |
| 10:05.45 | Thanatermesis | this is using vmware ? |
| 10:06.12 | Thanatermesis | is just a module for load |
| 10:06.42 | fluid21_7 | no, just a normal boot on a Centrino chipset notebook |
| 10:07.58 | fluid21_7 | modprobe produces no error |
| 10:10.11 | Thanatermesis | ah yes, in the boot.. not is really a important thing |
| 10:10.48 | Thanatermesis | maybe a udev stuff trying to use anything of rtc |
| 10:11.25 | fluid21_7 | ok, thanks |
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| 10:11.46 | fluid21_7 | and thanks for taking the time to chat, it's very appreciated |
| 10:12.04 | Thanatermesis | welcome :) |
| 10:12.15 | new0one | hello, how do I enable the flow control of my ethernet card? |
| 10:12.24 | new0one | TX are off and RX are off. |
| 10:13.31 | Thanatermesis | flow control ?= |
| 10:13.42 | Thanatermesis | your network card is configured and working ? |
| 10:13.46 | new0one | yes of the network card |
| 10:14.14 | new0one | yes its working actually its sending and recieving alot of kbytes useless. |
| 10:14.53 | new0one | without opening any browser or anything . |
| 10:15.06 | Thanatermesis | apt x en es useless |
| 10:15.23 | Thanatermesis | what driver is ? |
| 10:15.49 | new0one | Broadcom 440x 10/100 |
| 10:17.30 | Thanatermesis | wireless ? |
| 10:17.44 | new0one | no |
| 10:17.49 | new0one | networkcard |
| 10:19.05 | Thanatermesis | and you don't have installed/used any strange program for example a firewall ? |
| 10:19.14 | Thanatermesis | you have this problem also with another kernel ? |
| 10:19.43 | new0one | no its my first time it does this. |
| 10:20.28 | Thanatermesis | strange.. |
| 10:20.32 | new0one | yes |
| 10:20.35 | Thanatermesis | try to install another kernel then |
| 10:20.42 | Thanatermesis | the kernel for the next release is a good candidate ;) |
| 10:20.56 | new0one | I will try it. |
| 10:21.09 | Thanatermesis | you need to add the "tests" branch in the Elive repository |
| 10:21.40 | new0one | as soon as I solve the connection problem |
| 10:21.50 | Thanatermesis | http://wiki.elivecd.org/index.php/Tests_branch_repository |
| 10:22.05 | Thanatermesis | hehe |
| 10:22.05 | new0one | alright |
| 10:22.47 | Thanatermesis | for install the kernel of Elive after: apt-get install kernel-image-2.615 |
| 10:22.52 | Thanatermesis | for install the kernel of Elive after: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.15 |
| 10:23.38 | new0one | ok |
| 10:32.01 | fluid21_7 | Thanatermesis, dma doesn't appear to be turned on on /dev/hda. Should I adjust this in /etc/hdparm.conf? |
| 10:33.13 | Thanatermesis | fluid21_7 eh... what version of Elive ? |
| 10:33.20 | Thanatermesis | this is a bug on Elive... 0.3 |
| 10:33.29 | Thanatermesis | or just using the kernel 2.6.11 |
| 10:33.32 | fluid21_7 | 0.4 of some variety |
| 10:33.44 | Thanatermesis | and not has the dma enabled ? mmmh, very strange |
| 10:33.46 | fluid21_7 | 2.6.16-1 kernel |
| 10:33.57 | Thanatermesis | oh, maybe you don't have enabled in hte kernel then |
| 10:34.04 | Thanatermesis | yes, edit the hdparm.conf then :) |
| 10:34.18 | fluid21_7 | so says resiserfsck |
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| 10:35.04 | Thanatermesis | reiserfsck ? |
| 10:39.21 | fluid21_7 | the root filesystem is reiserfs isn't it? |
| 10:41.10 | Thanatermesis | is recomended ot use it, yes |
| 10:41.32 | Thanatermesis | reiserfsck is the tool for check or repair the filesystem |
| 10:42.01 | Thanatermesis | after (sometimes 30 reboots), it is launched automatically for a simple "check" |
| 10:42.07 | Thanatermesis | cron job :) |
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| 10:42.53 | fluid21_7 | I'm getting dropped into single user on boot. So I'm pressuming their is something up with the filesystem |
| 10:56.03 | Thanatermesis | ~seen gagarine |
| 10:56.07 | apt | gagarine <n=Elive_us@84-74-187-212.dclient.hispeed.ch> was last seen on IRC in channel #elive, 21h 51m 32s ago, saying: 'infortunately...'. |
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| 10:58.58 | new0one | Thanatermesis thats my problem |
| 10:59.25 | new0one | b44: eth0: Link is down. |
| 10:59.25 | new0one | b44: eth0: Link is up at 10 Mbps, half duplex. |
| 11:00.19 | Thanatermesis | link ? |
| 11:00.23 | Thanatermesis | apt link |
| 11:00.25 | apt | well, link is titled "Convert Hauppauge IR remote control to IRMAN" |
| 11:00.45 | new0one | thana thats when i do ifconfig eth0 down |
| 11:00.50 | new0one | and then ifconfig eth0 up |
| 11:01.47 | Thanatermesis | <new0one> b44: eth0: Link is up at 10 Mbps, half duplex. <--- = up ? |
| 11:01.55 | new0one | yes |
| 11:02.49 | Thanatermesis | i don't know... |
| 11:02.55 | Thanatermesis | maybe is a problem of the driver |
| 11:03.02 | Thanatermesis | try with another kernel |
| 11:03.09 | new0one | mmmm its first time i see this . |
| 11:03.09 | Thanatermesis | another kernel = another driver |
| 11:03.21 | new0one | I always used to connect without having these msgs. |
| 11:03.28 | Thanatermesis | and you don't have installed any strange thing ? |
| 11:03.36 | new0one | no no |
| 11:03.52 | Thanatermesis | strange..i don't know, i have look anytime this type of thing |
| 11:04.01 | new0one | thana does criming the network cable effects it? |
| 11:04.58 | Thanatermesis | apt x en es criming |
| 11:05.05 | new0one | http://www.alatec.com/info/rj45.html |
| 11:05.08 | Thanatermesis | apt x en es criming |
| 11:05.09 | new0one | I did it like this |
| 11:05.17 | new0one | CRIMP* |
| 11:05.24 | new0one | apt x en es crimp |
| 11:05.38 | new0one | http://www.alatec.com/info/rj45.html |
| 11:05.43 | pycs | crimping? |
| 11:05.48 | new0one | does this effects on Linux? |
| 11:05.53 | new0one | pycs right. |
| 11:06.07 | pycs | i don't think so.. |
| 11:06.17 | Thanatermesis | crimp = bad state ? |
| 11:06.24 | new0one | http://www.alatec.com/info/rj45.html |
| 11:06.32 | new0one | I did the cable like on this site. |
| 11:06.46 | new0one | everything was fine on linux. |
| 11:07.19 | new0one | so does wrong wiring effects the networkcard on elive? |
| 11:07.52 | pycs | although wrong color combination, will likely affect your connection |
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| 11:08.12 | new0one | pycs am on xp now and am online with it. |
| 11:08.29 | IcedEarth | ? |
| 11:08.34 | pycs | thats strange.. |
| 11:08.39 | new0one | yah |
| 11:08.46 | new0one | the thing is with the flow control |
| 11:09.01 | new0one | its the first time i see msgs when i do the ifconfig eth0 down or up |
| 11:09.02 | IcedEarth | hallo |
| 11:09.08 | new0one | IcedEarth hallow |
| 11:09.27 | new0one | b44: eth0: Link is up at 10 Mbps, half duplex. |
| 11:09.36 | new0one | b44: eth0: Flow control is off for TX and off for RX. |
| 11:09.40 | new0one | see what I mean? |
| 11:09.41 | Thanatermesis | apt broadcom |
| 11:10.03 | IcedEarth | ? |
| 11:10.03 | new0one | Thanatermesis it used to work fine until today . weird. |
| 11:11.16 | Thanatermesis | same problem in the liveCD ? |
| 11:11.50 | Thanatermesis | if you have the same problem in the liveCD... then is a problem of hardware |
| 11:12.05 | Thanatermesis | and now.. im go to the bed... good night' all! |
| 11:12.07 | IcedEarth | At least our live CD does work, I downloaded Kororaa |
| 11:12.13 | IcedEarth | and it didnt work on two machines!!! |
| 11:12.26 | IcedEarth | and its the distro one behind us on Distrowatch |
| 11:12.32 | IcedEarth | night Thana |
| 11:12.40 | Thanatermesis | apt x en es and its the distro one behind us on Distrowatch |
| 11:12.44 | new0one | i didn't try it |
| 11:12.57 | new0one | thana goodngiht thanx. |
| 11:12.58 | Thanatermesis | what didnt work ? |
| 11:13.05 | pycs | heheh... kororaa, is only good for xgl.. :) |
| 11:13.11 | Thanatermesis | welcome new0one |
| 11:13.11 | new0one | thana I didn't try to boot from the livecd |
| 11:13.17 | IcedEarth | the Live CD called Kororaa, i wanted to look at xgl its all |
| 11:13.20 | Thanatermesis | pycs play 5 minutes and its ok :) |
| 11:13.28 | IcedEarth | but by conicidence this distro is 36 |
| 11:13.31 | IcedEarth | and we are 35 |
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| 11:13.42 | pycs | yeah |
| 11:13.50 | Thanatermesis | wow, it ups fast |
| 11:13.57 | IcedEarth | but it didnt work on IBM or Toshiba laptop |
| 11:14.06 | IcedEarth | ill try it on PC later, but I dont have much hope |
| 11:14.16 | IcedEarth | well its xgl, people are excited about this |
| 11:14.21 | IcedEarth | and want to see it |
| 11:14.23 | IcedEarth | !!! |
| 11:14.23 | Thanatermesis | DONT PANIC!, Elive mount's to 20 soon ;) |
| 11:14.38 | IcedEarth | We're not panic, Elive is steady distro |
| 11:14.51 | IcedEarth | Kororaa is just firework |
| 11:14.54 | IcedEarth | band and gone!!! |
| 11:14.59 | IcedEarth | bang and gone!!! |
| 11:15.02 | Thanatermesis | :) |
| 11:15.05 | new0one | Thana |
| 11:15.09 | new0one | I saw my problem |
| 11:15.14 | Thanatermesis | im making beautiful and diferents things for 0.5 ;) |
| 11:15.19 | pycs | i don't care about distro ranking anymore :) |
| 11:15.20 | Thanatermesis | i hope to the ppl like it :) |
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| 11:15.21 | new0one | I think when i tried to upgrade my kernel |
| 11:15.25 | IcedEarth | Yes, 0.5 will be great |
| 11:15.33 | new0one | http://www.downgra.de/x20/ |
| 11:15.36 | IcedEarth | Thanatermesis, we will love it!!! |
| 11:15.38 | new0one | its in the LAN SECTION |
| 11:15.49 | Thanatermesis | :) |
| 11:15.52 | pycs | elive is no. 1, for all i believe, lol |
| 11:16.03 | IcedEarth | Yes, distrowatch is wrong |
| 11:16.12 | IcedEarth | they must have made a mistake with our distro ;) |
| 11:16.15 | Thanatermesis | aha |
| 11:16.24 | Thanatermesis | hehe |
| 11:16.32 | Thanatermesis | IcedEarth, Elive not is really "know" for now... |
| 11:16.41 | Thanatermesis | but i don't want to very ppl know it for this moments |
| 11:16.46 | IcedEarth | No it is still worlds best kep secret |
| 11:16.51 | Thanatermesis | i want first a little more of perfection of the system ;) |
| 11:16.55 | IcedEarth | best kept secret |
| 11:17.00 | IcedEarth | ok |
| 11:17.01 | IcedEarth | :) |
| 11:17.01 | Thanatermesis | and then, launch the rocket! :) |
| 11:17.02 | new0one | brb |
| 11:17.13 | IcedEarth | 5..4..3..2..1.. Lift Off!!!! |
| 11:17.15 | IcedEarth | lol |
| 11:17.18 | Thanatermesis | hehe |
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| 11:17.37 | pycs | yeah luanch it... unnoticed |
| 11:17.46 | IcedEarth | A 'stealth' distro |
| 11:18.36 | pycs | and before they know, it shines, like the sun light.. :D |
| 11:19.12 | IcedEarth | lol |
| 11:19.13 | IcedEarth | great |
| 11:19.44 | Thanatermesis | :) |
| 11:19.59 | pycs | as promised, it will enlighten them all... lol |
| 11:20.19 | IcedEarth | Yes, we will bring the new dawn of Linux desktop ;) |
| 11:21.17 | Thanatermesis | too late... i have just compiled the driver for new0one |
| 11:21.28 | Thanatermesis | bah, i package it and include on the repository then :) |
| 11:21.34 | pycs | but a while a go raster said, he has not found his distro yet :( |
| 11:21.36 | IcedEarth | :) |
| 11:21.42 | IcedEarth | really |
| 11:21.44 | IcedEarth | oh |
| 11:21.52 | pycs | i said, elive? |
| 11:21.58 | IcedEarth | well, numbers will tell how many come to elive |
| 11:22.27 | pycs | and he said, elive is no better/worse |
| 11:22.52 | pycs | ok then, i'll just respect his opinion... |
| 11:23.19 | pycs | but does not stop us, right? |
| 11:24.01 | pycs | he could be wrong.. :) |
| 11:24.06 | Thanatermesis | Elive actually is indevelopement and no finished... |
| 11:24.18 | Thanatermesis | 0.1 very crappy system |
| 11:24.22 | Thanatermesis | 0.3 not good |
| 11:24.31 | Thanatermesis | 0.4* some good, but not perfect |
| 11:24.34 | Thanatermesis | 0.5 better |
| 11:24.38 | Thanatermesis | 0.6 again better :) |
| 11:24.46 | pycs | yeah.. :) |
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| 11:27.48 | Thanatermesis | Making MD5 files |
| 11:27.48 | Thanatermesis | dpkg-deb: building package `bcm4400' in `/tmp/bcm4400_cvs20060409_i386.deb'. |
| 11:27.50 | Thanatermesis | perfect :) |
| 11:27.52 | Elive_user27 | hello |
| 11:28.06 | Thanatermesis | if returns, any can be say to their driver is included for the next release ;) |
| 11:28.08 | Thanatermesis | hello Elive_user27 |
| 11:28.13 | Elive_user27 | just trying elive for 1st time..wow MUCH cooler than KDE or GNOME :) |
| 11:28.38 | Thanatermesis | nice :) |
| 11:29.26 | Elive_user27 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:29.48 | pycs | Elive_user27, wow... you have been enlightened.. |
| 11:29.55 | Elive_user27 | , :) |
| 11:30.07 | pycs | embrace the truth.. :) |
| 11:30.13 | Thanatermesis | 64 bits machine ? |
| 11:30.16 | Elive_user27 | , i here it runs on BSD variants too! |
| 11:30.46 | Elive_user27 | , yes 64 bit but i guess the cd is running in 32 bit mode |
| 11:31.04 | Thanatermesis | yes, only in 32 bits for now |
| 11:31.05 | Begasus | is anyone seeding 0.4.2 on torrent atm? |
| 11:31.19 | Thanatermesis | we hope Begasus, but i don't know |
| 11:31.38 | Elive_user27 | , i found the 64 bit OS like gentoo have a LOT of problems with things like getting Flash or Java plugins to work |
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| 11:31.56 | Elive_user27 | , so maybe not really worth it unless u have a special need |
| 11:31.57 | Thanatermesis | driver also added on the site: http://thana.no-ip.org/trac/wiki/HowtoInstallKernel#ThebarisopenChoiceyourbetterflavourhellip |
| 11:32.36 | Thanatermesis | Elive_user27 this is the only thing to exist actually for a pure 64 bits version of Elive: http://elivecd.org/gb/Download/Elive64/ |
| 11:32.48 | Thanatermesis | (future) |
| 11:33.16 | Elive_user27 | , maybe ill try the 64 bit for fun.. |
| 11:33.39 | Thanatermesis | not exist for now... is all related on this page |
| 11:33.45 | Elive_user27 | , if anybody here plays chess on fics...im krell |
| 11:35.11 | Elive_user27 | , i heard it said somewhere that 64 bit apps can actually be slower than their 32 bit counterparts,..true or BS? |
| 11:35.31 | fluid21_7 | true |
| 11:35.44 | Thanatermesis | apt x en es i heard it said somewhere that 64 bit apps can actually be slower than their 32 bit counterparts,..true or BS? |
| 11:36.09 | fluid21_7 | Check for stats on mysql's site re: sparc32 vs sparc64 |
| 11:36.15 | Thanatermesis | applications builded in 64 bits works a lot more fast in 64 bits machines than in "normal mode" |
| 11:36.20 | Elive_user27 | , cool instant spanish translation? |
| 11:36.42 | pycs | si |
| 11:37.10 | pycs | is that right for yes?.. :) no? |
| 11:37.10 | Elive_user27 | , neat..(by the way "built" not "builded") |
| 11:37.56 | Thanatermesis | fluid21_7 what of this ? http://www.mysql.com/search/?q=+sparc32+sparc64&charset= |
| 11:37.59 | pycs | wow, your the first grammar conciuos elive user :) |
| 11:38.29 | Elive_user27 | , what ive wondered is why the 64 bit live cds dont have some kind of 32 bit chroot environment to get stuff like java and flash working |
| 11:38.50 | Thanatermesis | this is the idea for make on Elive ;) |
| 11:39.11 | Elive_user27 | , sorry i'm an english teacher :) |
| 11:39.15 | fluid21_7 | http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=5768 |
| 11:40.06 | pycs | Elive_user27, cool.. i believe we need that here :), rather much appreciated.. |
| 11:40.53 | Elive_user27 | is the installer only going to be able to install e16? i noticed that the installer seems misssing as an icon on the e17 'side' of the live cd |
| 11:41.24 | pycs | nooo, e17 too ,, |
| 11:41.26 | fluid21_7 | Thanatermesis, not sure which article you're pointing to there..sorry |
| 11:42.02 | IcedEarth | yes, some of us cant use e16 |
| 11:42.17 | Elive_user27 | , it seems to me that 3nlightment is the least reported on Desktop/wm out there yet seems in many ways more advanced than the other big 2 |
| 11:42.19 | IcedEarth | becuase it hurts our heads |
| 11:42.29 | IcedEarth | KDE = bloated |
| 11:42.29 | Elive_user27 | , haha |
| 11:42.33 | IcedEarth | gnome = brown |
| 11:42.36 | pycs | Elive_user27, in entrance, there is an option, where you can choose e17 or e16 |
| 11:42.44 | IcedEarth | yes, the grey box |
| 11:42.48 | IcedEarth | translucent box |
| 11:42.50 | IcedEarth | click it |
| 11:43.52 | Thanatermesis | fluid21_7 what say's this article ? to 64 bits applicaations are more slower than 32 ? |
| 11:44.17 | Elive_user27 | , how about stuff like semitrasparent windows?..I cant wait to try this on XGL (X windows using Open graphics) |
| 11:44.37 | fluid21_7 | Thanatermesis, I'm pretty sure I've compiled dma support into my kernel, yet /proc/ide/ide0/hda/settings reports dma=0 |
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| 11:45.36 | Thanatermesis | fluid21_7 hdparm /dev/hda | grep dma what say ? |
| 11:46.05 | pycs | <Elive_user27>, no xgl on enlightenment yet, it is only with gnome, i guess |
| 11:47.11 | fluid21_7 | :-( off |
| 11:47.39 | Thanatermesis | mmh |
| 11:47.55 | Thanatermesis | hdparm -Q 5 /dev/hda ? |
| 11:48.07 | Thanatermesis | maybe you don't have added the support on the kernel |
| 11:48.16 | Thanatermesis | try the Elive 2.6.15 if you like, it works good ;) |
| 11:48.26 | Elive_user27 | , ok dudes ill be back after the hd install |
| 11:48.30 | Thanatermesis | fluid21_7 what say's this article about amd64 ? to its slower ? |
| 11:48.44 | IcedEarth | too late hes gone |
| 11:48.59 | IcedEarth | I think 64bit computing is not ready yet |
| 11:49.04 | IcedEarth | as all apps are for 32bits? |
| 11:49.07 | IcedEarth | Mind you I am not an expert |
| 11:49.21 | fluid21_7 | it was related to sparc64 vs sparc32 |
| 11:49.24 | pycs | dudes? teacher use those words now a days :) |
| 11:49.46 | Thanatermesis | oh.. sparc |
| 11:50.00 | IcedEarth | i dont know what sparc is, so ill keep out of it! |
| 11:50.21 | Thanatermesis | is a "type" of computer |
| 11:50.33 | IcedEarth | ah |
| 11:50.40 | fluid21_7 | Sun Microsystems famiy of cpus |
| 11:50.43 | Thanatermesis | IcedEarth from the moment to you have the source code of a program, you can posible to run in 64 perfectly |
| 11:50.52 | IcedEarth | okay |
| 11:50.59 | Thanatermesis | <IcedEarth> as all apps are for 32bits? |
| 11:51.01 | IcedEarth | but should the code not be "enhanced" for 64 bits |
| 11:51.05 | IcedEarth | ? |
| 11:51.16 | Thanatermesis | flash or java for example, don't works becuase don't has source code |
| 11:51.19 | IcedEarth | Or does everything just run faster |
| 11:51.33 | fluid21_7 | I guess it just depends on the application, when I compiled mysql for sparc64 it was slower than compiling using 32bit only |
| 11:51.36 | IcedEarth | okay so its just if you compile it on 64bit machine |
| 11:51.51 | IcedEarth | then it works on 64bit and is twice as fast |
| 11:51.56 | IcedEarth | or is this too simple |
| 11:52.01 | IcedEarth | explination |
| 11:52.13 | Thanatermesis | the amd64 machine is aproximately 3 times more faster using 64 bits applications than a normal 32 linux/windows system |
| 11:52.20 | IcedEarth | okay |
| 11:52.41 | IcedEarth | so the main thing for speed is compiling the kernel on 64bit machine |
| 11:52.46 | IcedEarth | and then the apps |
| 11:52.47 | IcedEarth | ? |
| 11:52.47 | fluid21_7 | Thanatermesis, thats pretty cool |
| 11:52.58 | Thanatermesis | all working in 64 bits, yes |
| 11:53.05 | Thanatermesis | this is the real speed of amd64 machines |
| 11:53.09 | Thanatermesis | about 3 times more faster |
| 11:53.17 | Thanatermesis | you really fly with the computer :) |
| 11:53.19 | IcedEarth | sounds cool |
| 11:53.30 | fluid21_7 | Much larger address space also |
| 11:53.30 | IcedEarth | I would not be used to it!! |
| 11:53.44 | IcedEarth | so you can program for 64bit |
| 11:53.48 | Thanatermesis | yes, i have installed a debian system in 64 bits mode to a friend long time ago (2000 Mhz 64 bits machine) and the diference is awesome |
| 11:53.49 | IcedEarth | to make use of the larger address space? |
| 11:54.12 | IcedEarth | so 32bit apps can be "enhanced" to make use of 64bits |
| 11:54.16 | IcedEarth | to make them really fly? |
| 11:54.18 | Thanatermesis | <IcedEarth> so you can program for 64bit |
| 11:54.19 | Thanatermesis | no |
| 11:54.20 | IcedEarth | Sounds cool |
| 11:54.23 | IcedEarth | oh |
| 11:54.23 | Thanatermesis | you just "program" |
| 11:54.24 | IcedEarth | :( |
| 11:54.36 | Thanatermesis | you then compile in 32 bits mode or 64 bits |
| 11:54.38 | IcedEarth | ah |
| 11:54.42 | IcedEarth | i see |
| 11:55.35 | fluid21_7 | Thanatermesis, hdparm -Q 5 /dev/hda failed. I have 'Use PCI DMA by Default When available' checked in my kernel config |
| 11:57.04 | IcedEarth | oh dear the calculator is broken |
| 11:57.05 | IcedEarth | :( |
| 11:57.05 | Thanatermesis | mmmh |
| 11:57.10 | IcedEarth | never mind |
| 11:57.13 | IcedEarth | ill use OpenOffice |
| 11:57.22 | Thanatermesis | use the kernel of Elive fluid21_7, is a good kernel ;) |
| 11:57.26 | Thanatermesis | 2.6.15 |
| 11:58.18 | fluid21_7 | I'm being stubborn here :-), I'd like to get my kernel to work. If all else fails I get the Elive kernel |
| 11:58.50 | IcedEarth | did you compile your own kernel? |
| 11:59.07 | fluid21_7 | The error is undoubtably user error, so I'd like to fix my mistakes. |
| 11:59.10 | fluid21_7 | IcedEarth, yes |
| 11:59.33 | IcedEarth | In all the five years i been with Linux I still never feel the urge to try |
| 11:59.34 | IcedEarth | :) |
| 12:01.12 | Thanatermesis | IcedEarth good moment for try with Elive then ;) |
| 12:01.28 | IcedEarth | sorry maybe in the summer holidays |
| 12:01.38 | IcedEarth | not until i finish semester |
| 12:01.55 | IcedEarth | perahps I can be English grammar on the wiki |
| 12:01.59 | Thanatermesis | why not ? is very easy and fast ;) |
| 12:02.15 | IcedEarth | I hate to have interruption to my work |
| 12:02.19 | IcedEarth | so I wait until |
| 12:02.29 | IcedEarth | but it does not interest me, it is not my area. |
| 12:02.38 | Thanatermesis | hehe, ok |
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| 12:03.04 | Begasus | what's up with the website? |
| 12:03.12 | IcedEarth | ? |
| 12:03.12 | Begasus | it's so slow |
| 12:03.14 | IcedEarth | which one? |
| 12:03.18 | Begasus | takes forever to open here |
| 12:03.18 | Thanatermesis | yes... is very slow |
| 12:03.21 | Thanatermesis | i don't know why |
| 12:03.27 | Begasus | very bad ;) |
| 12:03.33 | Thanatermesis | yes :/ |
| 12:03.41 | IcedEarth | i thought this was me |
| 12:03.42 | pycs | yes, i noticed that too.. |
| 12:03.43 | IcedEarth | the other night |
| 12:03.53 | IcedEarth | when I tried to create account on Wiki |
| 12:04.43 | IcedEarth | after I update |
| 12:04.46 | IcedEarth | what do i type |
| 12:05.46 | Thanatermesis | btw, http://wiki.elivecd.org/index.php/Kernel <--- 4º section, build your own kernel |
| 12:05.57 | IcedEarth | :P |
| 12:06.04 | Thanatermesis | im waiting to gplgeek finisht the translation of this article :/ |
| 12:06.19 | pycs | btw, what is devian module? |
| 12:06.27 | Begasus | torrent is downloading nice though ;) |
| 12:06.45 | Thanatermesis | nice :) |
| 12:07.11 | Thanatermesis | pycs misc thing... news reader for example |
| 12:07.38 | pycs | ah i see.. :) cool.. |
| 12:08.22 | IcedEarth | or use the form below to create a new user account. |
| 12:08.30 | IcedEarth | how do I do this for the wiki? |
| 12:08.51 | Thanatermesis | you can't |
| 12:08.59 | IcedEarth | oh |
| 12:09.05 | Thanatermesis | you like a account ? |
| 12:09.07 | IcedEarth | I was going to do some of the English grammar |
| 12:09.15 | IcedEarth | a lightweight contribution |
| 12:09.18 | Thanatermesis | give me a email |
| 12:09.22 | IcedEarth | ok |
| 12:09.36 | Thanatermesis | the "create new account" is disabled by default |
| 12:11.17 | Thanatermesis | ok IcedEarth, check yor email |
| 12:11.22 | IcedEarth | okay |
| 12:13.20 | IcedEarth | blimey gmail is slooow |
| 12:13.51 | Thanatermesis | no.. the Elive server is slow :/ |
| 12:13.55 | IcedEarth | oh |
| 12:13.59 | IcedEarth | what machine is it? |
| 12:14.02 | Thanatermesis | is still connecting for send the email |
| 12:14.14 | Begasus | home server? |
| 12:14.22 | Thanatermesis | im looking actually the machine, not has very process, 2 % ~ of cpu |
| 12:14.31 | Thanatermesis | no... is a bid machine |
| 12:14.35 | Thanatermesis | but i don't know why is slow |
| 12:14.39 | Thanatermesis | maybe bandwith problems |
| 12:14.44 | IcedEarth | ? |
| 12:14.45 | Begasus | probly |
| 12:14.55 | Begasus | but then you should contact the server admin |
| 12:14.59 | Begasus | this is to bad .. :S |
| 12:15.06 | IcedEarth | :P |
| 12:15.10 | Thanatermesis | ok, sent |
| 12:15.13 | IcedEarth | great |
| 12:15.33 | Thanatermesis | i have send a email some days before... but not news for now |
| 12:16.03 | IcedEarth | shall we find corporate sponsor for all the hosting of websites? |
| 12:16.55 | Thanatermesis | apt x en es shall we find corporate sponsor for all the hosting of websites? |
| 12:17.29 | Thanatermesis | no no... the server is good.. |
| 12:17.37 | IcedEarth | i was thinking for bandwidth |
| 12:17.37 | Thanatermesis | but i don't know what problem has actually |
| 12:17.39 | IcedEarth | in the future |
| 12:17.44 | IcedEarth | when websites are busy |
| 12:17.53 | Thanatermesis | and the bandwith is also very good |
| 12:17.56 | IcedEarth | ok |
| 12:18.08 | Thanatermesis | but exist a problem... i don't know what is |
| 12:18.23 | IcedEarth | when servers go bad... |
| 12:18.25 | IcedEarth | :( |
| 12:18.38 | IcedEarth | how much memory is used on the server? |
| 12:18.41 | Thanatermesis | is since 1 week |
| 12:19.03 | Thanatermesis | 1 gb |
| 12:19.12 | IcedEarth | how much in use at the moment? |
| 12:20.07 | Thanatermesis | 80 % |
| 12:20.20 | IcedEarth | 80% of 1gb? what apps are doing this |
| 12:20.24 | IcedEarth | is this not a little high? |
| 12:20.43 | Thanatermesis | apache, mysql, ruby... |
| 12:20.47 | IcedEarth | mmm |
| 12:20.58 | IcedEarth | i have a server with most running like this (not ruby) |
| 12:21.05 | IcedEarth | and im sure memory is not so high |
| 12:21.30 | Thanatermesis | $ ps -A | grep apache | wc -l |
| 12:21.30 | Thanatermesis | 151 |
| 12:21.31 | Thanatermesis | wow |
| 12:21.38 | Thanatermesis | i don't think to this is normal... |
| 12:21.39 | IcedEarth | start and stop apache |
| 12:21.45 | IcedEarth | see how memory grows |
| 12:21.48 | IcedEarth | over 5 mins |
| 12:21.53 | Thanatermesis | no... i don't have access |
| 12:21.55 | IcedEarth | oh |
| 12:21.58 | Thanatermesis | no root |
| 12:22.02 | IcedEarth | :( |
| 12:22.06 | IcedEarth | is it not your server? |
| 12:22.17 | Thanatermesis | but 151 processes of apache... this is very... i think to this is the problem |
| 12:22.34 | Thanatermesis | no, this server is on washington located |
| 12:22.40 | IcedEarth | ah |
| 12:22.48 | Thanatermesis | and im not the only user of it |
| 12:22.58 | IcedEarth | so you have virtual host for elivecd |
| 12:23.27 | Nenillo | it's normal |
| 12:23.32 | IcedEarth | is it |
| 12:23.55 | Thanatermesis | Nenillo, 151 procesos de apache es algo normal para un server medio con alguna que otra person que lo usa ? |
| 12:24.16 | Thanatermesis | bueno, unas cuantas pero tampoco mucho |
| 12:24.27 | Nenillo | tendrá bastante tráfico |
| 12:24.32 | Nenillo | no es 1 proceso por web |
| 12:24.39 | Nenillo | es 1 proceso cada x peticiones |
| 12:24.46 | Thanatermesis | lo que me sorprende es que es peazo server... con solo 1 giga de ram :/ |
| 12:25.09 | Nenillo | solo? es más que suficiente |
| 12:25.20 | Thanatermesis | pues parece que esta muy llena |
| 12:25.27 | Thanatermesis | yo tengo 1 giga y no tengo bastante xD |
| 12:25.29 | Nenillo | la ram siempre está llena |
| 12:25.37 | Nenillo | es cuestión de optimización |
| 12:25.45 | Thanatermesis | hay alguna forma de ver cuanto esta trabajando el disco duro ?= |
| 12:25.48 | Thanatermesis | o el trafico |
| 12:25.53 | Thanatermesis | (sin root) |
| 12:25.56 | Nenillo | haz un uptime |
| 12:25.59 | Nenillo | y mira la carga |
| 12:26.24 | Thanatermesis | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:26.41 | Nenillo | pues está teniendo un "pico" |
| 12:26.47 | Thanatermesis | que va |
| 12:26.48 | Thanatermesis | algo le pasa |
| 12:26.51 | Thanatermesis | lleva asi una semana |
| 12:27.01 | Thanatermesis | esta totalmente inaccesible |
| 12:27.01 | Nenillo | si hace un rato estab a 0.45 |
| 12:27.07 | Thanatermesis | la mitad de las veces llegas a un timeout en el firefox antes de que te salga la pagina |
| 12:27.17 | Nenillo | es el server de elive? |
| 12:27.20 | Thanatermesis | si |
| 12:28.12 | Nenillo | pues sí que va algo lento |
| 12:28.13 | Thanatermesis | algo le tiene que pasar porque siempre estuvo bien y muy rapido... y ahora desde hace una semana esta practicamente inaccessible |
| 12:28.19 | Thanatermesis | algo ? xD |
| 12:28.24 | Thanatermesis | http://wiki.elivecd.org |
| 12:28.27 | Thanatermesis | entra alli |
| 12:28.38 | Nenillo | haz un top |
| 12:28.48 | Thanatermesis | si el server va fino, es lo que me extraña |
| 12:29.24 | Thanatermesis | Nenillo http://pastebin.com/649334 |
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| 12:30.39 | Nenillo | te responde bien ssh? |
| 12:30.52 | Nenillo | o también va lento? |
| 12:31.02 | Thanatermesis | tambien va lento |
| 12:31.15 | Nenillo | entonces es probable que la conexión esté a tope |
| 12:31.19 | Thanatermesis | bueno, tiene un poco de lag |
| 12:31.32 | Thanatermesis | y como se puede ver el bandiwth que esta teniendo ? |
| 12:31.44 | Thanatermesis | lo que esta mandando/recibiendo |
| 12:32.07 | Nenillo | creo que como un user normal no vas a poder |
| 12:32.13 | Thanatermesis | :/ |
| 12:32.15 | Nenillo | netstat -A inet --numeric-hosts | wc -l |
| 12:32.19 | Nenillo | haz eso |
| 12:32.45 | Thanatermesis | 919 |
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| 12:33.07 | Nenillo | hombre son bastantes conexiones pero no creo que sea para tanto |
| 12:33.26 | Thanatermesis | no lo se :/ |
| 12:33.31 | Thanatermesis | el sistema parece suelto |
| 12:33.35 | Thanatermesis | la cpu no esta nada cargada |
| 12:33.43 | Thanatermesis | la ram tiene poca por eso |
| 12:34.13 | Nenillo | puedes leer /proc/net/dev |
| 12:34.14 | Nenillo | ? |
| 12:34.24 | Thanatermesis | si |
| 12:34.56 | Nenillo | hay un eth0 no? |
| 12:35.03 | Thanatermesis | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:35.25 | Nenillo | hay tienes bytese recibidos |
| 12:35.28 | Nenillo | y bytes enviados |
| 12:35.47 | Nenillo | si te haces un scriptillo que pille los bytes enviados, espere 1 segundo, vuelva a mirar |
| 12:35.49 | Nenillo | y reste |
| 12:35.56 | Nenillo | tendrás los bytes por segundo |
| 12:35.59 | Nenillo | que está enviando el server |
| 12:36.07 | Thanatermesis | eso es cada cuanto tiempo ? o como va esto ? |
| 12:36.35 | Nenillo | me parece que eso es instantáneo |
| 12:36.41 | Nenillo | que se escribe continuamente |
| 12:36.48 | Nenillo | pero a ti te interesa saber los bytes por segundo |
| 12:36.50 | Nenillo | que se envian |
| 12:36.56 | Nenillo | así mirando cada segundo lo puedes saber |
| 12:37.04 | Thanatermesis | mmmh |
| 12:37.10 | Thanatermesis | pero debe de hacer algun ciclo, no ? |
| 12:37.51 | Thanatermesis | 1890334194 |
| 12:37.52 | Thanatermesis | 1890416445 |
| 12:37.56 | Thanatermesis | alli tienes el segundo exacto |
| 12:38.25 | Thanatermesis | voy a darle un minuto... |
| 12:38.34 | Nenillo | ? |
| 12:38.39 | Nenillo | un minuto pa qué? xD |
| 12:38.40 | Nenillo | a ver |
| 12:38.44 | Nenillo | pero estás cogiendo los recibidos |
| 12:38.46 | Nenillo | o los enviados? |
| 12:38.47 | Thanatermesis | para contar una media |
| 12:38.58 | Thanatermesis | los enviados... pero estan iguales |
| 12:39.17 | Nenillo | los enviados están bastante a la derecha eh |
| 12:39.52 | Nenillo | es el noveno campo |
| 12:40.42 | Thanatermesis | si si |
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| 12:40.48 | Thanatermesis | $ cat /proc/net/dev | grep eth0 | awk '{print $9}' ; sleep 1 ; cat /proc/net/dev | grep eth0 | awk '{print $9}' |
| 12:40.49 | Thanatermesis | ;) |
| 12:40.55 | Thanatermesis | 1895200597 |
| 12:40.55 | Thanatermesis | 1907932902 |
| 12:40.58 | Thanatermesis | y este es el resultado |
| 12:41.36 | Nenillo | bueno pues haz 1min a ver |
| 12:42.36 | Thanatermesis | eso que acabo de pastear es 1 minuto exacto |
| 12:42.45 | Nenillo | aah |
| 12:42.57 | Nenillo | pero el comando que has puesto es de 1s |
| 12:43.33 | Nenillo | pues sale 207KB/s de media |
| 12:43.38 | Nenillo | y no es tanto... |
| 12:45.30 | Nenillo | bueno, a comer |
| 12:45.58 | Thanatermesis | ah, perdona |
| 12:46.02 | Thanatermesis | son 60 segundos si |
| 12:46.07 | Thanatermesis | te puso un comando de mas arriba xD |
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| 15:02.04 | dererk | I hate you all! >( |
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| 17:06.51 | Elive_user | hello |
| 17:06.56 | IcedEarth | hello |
| 17:07.23 | Elive_user | is there a way to add a clock to the desktop |
| 17:07.40 | IcedEarth | yes |
| 17:07.46 | Elive_user | i use e16 |
| 17:07.47 | IcedEarth | what desktop are you using e16 or e17 |
| 17:07.49 | IcedEarth | ah |
| 17:07.53 | IcedEarth | well in that case, I dont know |
| 17:08.00 | IcedEarth | does e16 have modules like e17? |
| 17:08.06 | Elive_user | yes |
| 17:08.08 | roxville | menu-demos-EFL-elapse |
| 17:08.11 | Taka0 | it has epplets |
| 17:08.19 | IcedEarth | there you go then Elive_user |
| 17:08.25 | IcedEarth | your question answered |
| 17:08.28 | Elive_user | you guys rock |
| 17:08.30 | IcedEarth | I am only the e17 expert ;) |
| 17:08.42 | roxville | :) |
| 17:08.48 | Elive_user | how do i change my screen name |
| 17:08.59 | roxville | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:09.15 | IcedEarth | (I thought he meant his desktop name) |
| 17:09.19 | Elive_user | thank you |
| 17:09.24 | roxville | yw :) |
| 17:09.43 | IcedEarth | hey roxvilee |
| 17:09.46 | IcedEarth | hey roxville |
| 17:09.53 | roxville | i know IcedEarth you're the desktop name expert :) |
| 17:09.58 | IcedEarth | I downloaded Kororaa |
| 17:10.02 | IcedEarth | the distro 1 behind us |
| 17:10.06 | roxville | yeah? how was it? |
| 17:10.17 | IcedEarth | it didnt work on two machines |
| 17:10.24 | Elive_user | when you say behind, you distrowatch ratings |
| 17:10.33 | IcedEarth | well its 36, we 35 |
| 17:10.39 | IcedEarth | but its only an XGL showcase |
| 17:10.45 | IcedEarth | live distro |
| 17:10.47 | roxville | yeah, it took 25 minutes (i'm not kidding!) for each mouse-click to take effect |
| 17:10.51 | IcedEarth | really |
| 17:10.52 | IcedEarth | ah |
| 17:11.02 | IcedEarth | yes, I would imagine that my laptop would have melted |
| 17:11.04 | IcedEarth | under the strain |
| 17:11.15 | IcedEarth | I was tempted to pull the PC out of storage |
| 17:11.20 | IcedEarth | but just couldnt be arsed |
| 17:11.21 | IcedEarth | C |
| 17:11.53 | roxville | i had only 256 MB ram at the time, but... it still shows it's not recommended for machines older than two years... |
| 17:12.21 | Elive_user | kororaa is gentoo based correct |
| 17:12.33 | IcedEarth | yes |
| 17:12.34 | IcedEarth | gentoo |
| 17:12.44 | IcedEarth | wow, even my desktop will limp |
| 17:12.52 | Elive_user | do you run gentoo? |
| 17:12.56 | IcedEarth | no |
| 17:13.00 | IcedEarth | Debian |
| 17:13.14 | Elive_user | both are cool |
| 17:13.29 | Taka0 | apt x fr en tantot |
| 17:13.31 | IcedEarth | ok, ive only been to RedHAt, SuSE, and Debian |
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| 17:13.51 | IcedEarth | so Elive_user where did you find elive? |
| 17:14.42 | Elive_user | distrowatch |
| 17:14.52 | IcedEarth | cool |
| 17:14.56 | IcedEarth | why were you interested in it? |
| 17:15.02 | Elive_user | i love the gui |
| 17:15.15 | IcedEarth | yes, its great, as soon as I used E17 |
| 17:15.16 | IcedEarth | I couldnt stop |
| 17:15.29 | Elive_user | and its debian based, dependicies solved |
| 17:15.39 | IcedEarth | aye |
| 17:15.58 | IcedEarth | you are in United States yes/ |
| 17:15.59 | IcedEarth | ? |
| 17:16.07 | Elive_user | yes, pa |
| 17:16.11 | Elive_user | and you |
| 17:16.13 | IcedEarth | pa? |
| 17:16.16 | IcedEarth | whats that? |
| 17:16.18 | IcedEarth | UK |
| 17:16.22 | Elive_user | Pennsylvania |
| 17:16.30 | IcedEarth | ah, I dont know where that is |
| 17:16.32 | IcedEarth | heard of it |
| 17:16.48 | Elive_user | East Coast, above Wash Dc |
| 17:16.53 | IcedEarth | ok |
| 17:17.03 | Elive_user | where in the UK |
| 17:17.08 | IcedEarth | In Hampshire |
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| 17:17.18 | Elive_user | Cool |
| 17:17.23 | IcedEarth | I live in the town where the Titanic sailed form |
| 17:17.37 | Elive_user | Tourist area huh? |
| 17:17.45 | IcedEarth | nah, we used to be a port |
| 17:17.48 | IcedEarth | but now it is students |
| 17:17.50 | IcedEarth | and a big docks |
| 17:17.55 | IcedEarth | we have very large container port |
| 17:18.15 | Elive_user | we have the liberty bell, thats about it |
| 17:18.22 | IcedEarth | now I have seen that |
| 17:18.27 | IcedEarth | in that film with Nicolas Cage |
| 17:18.31 | IcedEarth | whats it called |
| 17:18.38 | IcedEarth | the one about the Masons |
| 17:18.40 | Elive_user | national treasure |
| 17:18.42 | IcedEarth | thats it |
| 17:18.45 | IcedEarth | i liked that film |
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| 17:18.56 | Elive_user | yeah. it was ok |
| 17:19.08 | IcedEarth | I like Nick Cage, especially leaving las vegas |
| 17:19.21 | IcedEarth | I watched Factotum with Matt Dillon yesterday |
| 17:19.21 | Elive_user | never seen it. not a cage fan |
| 17:19.26 | IcedEarth | that was quite good |
| 17:19.33 | Elive_user | except raising arizona |
| 17:19.37 | IcedEarth | both very bleak existential films |
| 17:20.24 | Elive_user | whats the weather like today |
| 17:20.30 | IcedEarth | c, |
| 17:20.35 | IcedEarth | cloudy trying to rain |
| 17:20.41 | IcedEarth | been raining |
| 17:20.45 | IcedEarth | what bout you? |
| 17:20.48 | Elive_user | 60 and sunny here |
| 17:20.51 | IcedEarth | blimey |
| 17:20.57 | IcedEarth | wont have that weather for a few months yet |
| 17:21.03 | IcedEarth | we have April showers |
| 17:21.10 | Elive_user | us too |
| 17:21.23 | IcedEarth | cuul |
| 17:21.31 | Elive_user | gotta run talk to you later |
| 17:21.36 | Elive_user | bye |
| 17:21.37 | IcedEarth | okay, nice to meet you |
| 17:21.42 | IcedEarth | please come back anytime |
| 17:21.50 | Elive_user | i have met you before on here |
| 17:21.54 | IcedEarth | really |
| 17:21.58 | IcedEarth | when was that then |
| 17:21.59 | Elive_user | you helped me the last time as well |
| 17:22.01 | IcedEarth | ah |
| 17:22.09 | Elive_user | 4 days ago |
| 17:22.14 | Elive_user | bye,bye |
| 17:22.17 | IcedEarth | tarra |
| 17:22.38 | IcedEarth | how am I supposed to know |
| 17:22.44 | IcedEarth | Did i do well |
| 17:22.47 | IcedEarth | > |
| 17:22.48 | IcedEarth | ? |
| 17:22.49 | roxville | lol yeah, hard to tell 'em apart... |
| 17:22.57 | roxville | like 101 dalmatians |
| 17:22.58 | IcedEarth | I even got an account for the wiki today |
| 17:23.02 | IcedEarth | from Thana |
| 17:23.07 | IcedEarth | to tidy up the English grammar |
| 17:23.11 | roxville | awesome! |
| 17:23.15 | IcedEarth | but it takes sooo long to load the wiki |
| 17:23.21 | IcedEarth | hes having trouble with the webserver |
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| 17:23.28 | roxville | yeah, it's veeeeery slow atm |
| 17:23.37 | IcedEarth | he tried some troubleshooting |
| 17:23.47 | IcedEarth | he reckoned that 80% of the servers 1GB memory was in use |
| 17:23.52 | IcedEarth | which is not right for a webserver |
| 17:23.53 | IcedEarth | not really |
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| 17:27.52 | roxville | lol no, not really :) |
| 17:28.01 | red_ | wenas ;) |
| 17:28.09 | IcedEarth | hello |
| 17:28.45 | red_ | estoy usando el e16 menu editor pero al parecer no me aprecen las entradas que le agrego |
| 17:29.05 | IcedEarth | apt x es en estoy usando el e16 menu editor pero al parecer no me aprecen las entradas que le agrego |
| 17:29.18 | IcedEarth | mmm |
| 17:29.20 | red_ | :) |
| 17:29.27 | red_ | estoy en e16 |
| 17:29.46 | IcedEarth | apt x en es I don not know about e16, sorry :( |
| 17:30.15 | red_ | no problem, ok |
| 17:31.08 | red_ | apt es en ya lo solucione xD |
| 17:31.24 | IcedEarth | use apt x es en |
| 17:31.24 | red_ | apt x es en ya lo solucione xD |
| 17:31.36 | red_ | =) |
| 17:31.44 | IcedEarth | so you have solved it, good! |
| 17:32.03 | IcedEarth | Welcome to the machine! |
| 17:32.33 | red_ | apt x es en solo tenia que poner el ejecutable correcto |
| 17:32.46 | IcedEarth | I dont understand that |
| 17:32.56 | red_ | mozilla-thunderbird, not thunderbird |
| 17:32.58 | red_ | xDD |
| 17:33.09 | IcedEarth | ? |
| 17:35.52 | red_ | dios; creo que la hice peor |
| 17:36.27 | IcedEarth | apt x es en dios; creo que la hice peor |
| 17:36.45 | IcedEarth | have you broken it? |
| 17:36.46 | red_ | al parecer le puse un icono demasiado grande y guarde; entonces doy click en el escritorio y no me aparece el menu completo :S |
| 17:37.03 | IcedEarth | apt x es en dal parecer le puse un icono demasiado grande y guarde; entonces doy click en el escritorio y no me aparece el menu completo |
| 17:37.18 | IcedEarth | :( |
| 17:37.20 | red_ | :S |
| 17:38.10 | red_ | hmmm |
| 17:44.27 | red_ | apt x en es creo que tengo la solucion :D |
| 17:44.36 | red_ | apt x es en creo que tengo la solucion :D |
| 17:44.39 | red_ | xD |
| 17:44.49 | IcedEarth | good! |
| 17:47.07 | red_ | apt x es en era simple, solo tenia que agregar las entradas de los otros menus en el menu principal |
| 17:47.27 | IcedEarth | so you have succeeded? |
| 17:48.14 | red_ | apt x en es so you have succeeded? |
| 17:48.30 | red_ | yeah ;D |
| 17:48.39 | IcedEarth | great :) |
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| 17:53.34 | red_ | hm |
| 17:53.45 | IcedEarth | ? |
| 17:54.33 | wasynyt | good evening everyone |
| 17:54.34 | red_ | apt x es en IcedEarth, podrias pasarme tu $HOME/.e16/menu/file.menu? |
| 17:54.36 | IcedEarth | hello |
| 17:54.44 | red_ | holas |
| 17:54.48 | IcedEarth | I dont use e16 |
| 17:54.50 | IcedEarth | :( |
| 17:54.52 | IcedEarth | only e17 |
| 17:54.56 | wasynyt | :) |
| 17:55.28 | red_ | apt x es en no tienes el directorio .e16 ? |
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| 17:55.43 | IcedEarth | hold on, ill look |
| 17:55.53 | red_ | please :P |
| 17:57.32 | IcedEarth | red_ i am sending it |
| 17:58.21 | red_ | apt x es en mandalo otra vez por favor :) |
| 17:58.36 | IcedEarth | done |
| 17:59.20 | red_ | :( |
| 17:59.38 | red_ | apt x es en al parecer ocurre un problema con la recepcionde archivos |
| 17:59.50 | IcedEarth | oh |
| 17:59.53 | IcedEarth | shall I rename it? |
| 17:59.56 | red_ | apt x es en le doy a aceptar y nada |
| 18:00.13 | IcedEarth | hold on |
| 18:00.24 | red_ | ok |
| 18:00.35 | IcedEarth | try that |
| 18:00.39 | IcedEarth | I have made it .txt |
| 18:02.18 | red_ | thanks ;) |
| 18:02.23 | IcedEarth | np |
| 18:02.31 | IcedEarth | i have to go and get some food now |
| 18:02.35 | IcedEarth | be back later |
| 18:02.50 | red_ | apt x es en creo que tenia que configurar el DCC xDD |
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| 18:44.52 | roxville_ | hi Kennyjb402 |
| 18:44.58 | roxville_ | hi nomed |
| 18:45.05 | Kennyjb402 | hi roxville_ |
| 18:45.09 | nomed | hi rookmoot |
| 18:45.13 | nomed | roxville_, |
| 18:45.14 | roxville_ | everything ok? :) |
| 18:46.11 | IcedEarth | changing the front page of the wiki was very painful |
| 18:46.19 | IcedEarth | im going to wait doing any more until |
| 18:46.22 | IcedEarth | the site speeds up |
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| 20:16.45 | wasynyt | good night everyone |
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| 20:38.35 | red_ | bueno, me baje el paquete epplets pero no tengo idea de donde esta |
| 20:38.37 | red_ | xDD |
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| 20:46.36 | phoul | Hello |
| 20:46.42 | phoul | Whats the basic theme for elive? |
| 20:47.38 | Lightning_ThB | elive itself ^^ |
| 20:48.01 | phoul | Is it possible to dl that theme? |
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| 20:58.46 | piper14 | hi, all |
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| 21:01.28 | gagarine | bonjour |
| 21:01.55 | gagarine | J'ai juste une petite sugestion (si c'est possible) |
| 21:02.24 | gagarine | Il faudrait mettre dans les dépot elive la nouvelle version du thême milky.. |
| 21:02.27 | gagarine | voilà |
| 21:02.37 | gagarine | (si c'est possible) |
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| 21:42.35 | eManu | Saludos !! |
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| 22:07.17 | felix | Thanatermesis_: buenas |
| 22:07.35 | felix | Thanatermesis_: ¿estás? |
| 22:12.27 | felix | Thanatermesis_: ping |
| 22:19.49 | felix | apt vobcopy |
| 22:19.51 | apt | [vobcopy] the repository of elive: deb http://www.vobcopy.org/mirror/elive/ elive main efl elive |
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| 22:22.24 | egrub | Thanatermesis_, como va el elive? Falta poco? |
| 22:22.25 | egrub | :) |
| 22:22.43 | Thanatermesis_ | \o/ |
| 22:22.49 | egrub | Jeje |
| 22:23.06 | Thanatermesis | va bastante bien si :) |
| 22:23.11 | egrub | Que bien |
| 22:23.12 | Thanatermesis | cada vez menos ;) jejej |
| 22:23.26 | egrub | Si menos problemas. :) |
| 22:23.33 | Thanatermesis | tengo que hacer unas cuantas modificaciones al sistema antes de soltar 0.5 ;) |
| 22:23.41 | egrub | Si claro. |
| 22:23.44 | egrub | Por las dudas. |
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| 22:59.07 | GPLGeek | I did not do bad on the test |
| 23:01.52 | Taka0 | :D |
| 23:01.58 | egrub | apt x es en windows 95 ya está muerto. |
| 23:02.08 | felix | egrub: windows is already dead. |
| 23:03.51 | felix | apt vobcopy |
| 23:03.56 | apt | methinks vobcopy is the repository of elive: deb http://www.vobcopy.org/mirror/elive/ elive main efl elive |
| 23:04.14 | egrub | felix, gracias por tradución |
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| 23:19.33 | TuxMeister | hey guys/hola a todos |
| 23:19.40 | IcedEarth | hi |
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| 23:20.14 | TuxMeister | how are things, IcedEarth |
| 23:20.15 | TuxMeister | ? |
| 23:20.20 | IcedEarth | okay thanks |
| 23:20.24 | IcedEarth | how about yourself? |
| 23:20.51 | TuxMeister | fine, watching "troy", just got home |
| 23:21.10 | IcedEarth | i just watched the cell |
| 23:21.12 | IcedEarth | it was on TV |
| 23:21.46 | TuxMeister | :) |
| 23:22.12 | IcedEarth | I am reading about Scientology |
| 23:23.08 | TuxMeister | about how to get money from poor people, telling them they paying salvating and curancy for diseases? nice topic |
| 23:23.22 | TuxMeister | in spain there are many doc-films about that |
| 23:23.29 | IcedEarth | its a Time magazine article, it doesnt paint a good picture of them |
| 23:24.48 | TuxMeister | there isn't a good picture of that... that "good picture" exists only in the minds of who puts that money in their own pockets |
| 23:25.18 | IcedEarth | yes, there will always be exploiters of the poor |
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| 23:25.45 | IcedEarth | But the meek shall inherit the earth |
| 23:27.16 | TuxMeister | :) i, personally, only believe in the people's power to make their own lives... we have to learn how to live, so we can enjoy ower eternity in "noplace-land" |
| 23:27.48 | IcedEarth | I suppose, but some people are "born" lucky |
| 23:27.54 | IcedEarth | this is why I love Linux so much |
| 23:28.06 | IcedEarth | because it gives to those who maybe could not afford Microsoft |
| 23:28.12 | TuxMeister | but most of people let that task to some sort of superior and imaginary existance that "rules" their life for a bigger purpose |
| 23:28.12 | IcedEarth | for example Venezeula |
| 23:28.27 | IcedEarth | well, nobody wants to think there is nothing at the end |
| 23:28.31 | IcedEarth | otherwise what is the point? |
| 23:29.25 | TuxMeister | the point? living in life the things you couldn't do being dead... :p per example, i enjoy making love to my girlfriend as it was the last time, and buddy, IT MAKES THE DIFFERENCE |
| 23:29.45 | TuxMeister | and the linux point is the same |
| 23:30.00 | IcedEarth | Linux is an enabler for people |
| 23:30.06 | TuxMeister | it does lovely things with very little |
| 23:30.18 | IcedEarth | Linux = rebellion |
| 23:30.23 | IcedEarth | M$ = empire |
| 23:31.00 | TuxMeister | yeah, and that's why now, THAT rebellion is more important being virtual than any other way |
| 23:31.24 | IcedEarth | yep, and we have the millenium falcon!! |
| 23:31.36 | TuxMeister | many people have problems getting closer to tech, even being that tech very old, and linux get's people closer to tech |
| 23:31.51 | IcedEarth | Linux can bring to life old hardware |
| 23:32.22 | TuxMeister | yeah, i still remember when i started my web and ftp server with a pentium 100 and 32Mb of ram |
| 23:32.40 | IcedEarth | thats all they really need |
| 23:32.48 | IcedEarth | all this CPU and memory is wasted really |
| 23:33.00 | IcedEarth | but the games, yes the games |
| 23:33.28 | TuxMeister | and thinking people pay hundreds, even thousends of bucks for an amazing, "unlimited" xeon server |
| 23:33.49 | IcedEarth | yes, all those M$ servers |
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| 23:34.10 | IcedEarth | We can see change in Intel, as they are focussing on power consumption |
| 23:34.12 | IcedEarth | of chips now |
| 23:35.05 | GPLGeek | IcedEarth, We need MS as strange as it seems |
| 23:35.07 | TuxMeister | yep... besides, even with those NASA-like chips, a microsoft ruled server will never work as smooth and tidy as a not-so-powerful linux based server |
| 23:35.21 | GPLGeek | I can make a lot of money on a OS that is so bugged and confusing |
| 23:35.31 | GPLGeek | I can figure it out and fix it, and am not affraid of it. |
| 23:35.36 | IcedEarth | well Microsoft know how to sell to end user |
| 23:35.40 | GPLGeek | Thus I have more money for linux boxen |
| 23:35.44 | IcedEarth | Yes, I earn my living looking after M$ |
| 23:35.51 | TuxMeister | GPLGeek, as far as i know, those bugs are paying my bills, food, and gadgets |
| 23:35.51 | IcedEarth | but I dont use it in choice |
| 23:35.55 | GPLGeek | Do you think we know how to sell things to the end user even if its free? |
| 23:36.03 | IcedEarth | and how do I rescue data from corrupted Windows installations? |
| 23:36.06 | IcedEarth | Yes Linux |
| 23:36.08 | GPLGeek | Obviously it's hard or I would not have gotten 28 emails yesterday alone |
| 23:36.22 | IcedEarth | Windows is not confusing |
| 23:36.26 | IcedEarth | but i have learnt this |
| 23:36.31 | IcedEarth | people who use computers for their work |
| 23:36.34 | IcedEarth | do not really care |
| 23:36.38 | IcedEarth | and only learn what they have to know |
| 23:37.00 | GPLGeek | Windows is suit and tie corporation production... |
| 23:37.06 | IcedEarth | yes |
| 23:37.13 | IcedEarth | its the standard office operating system |
| 23:37.16 | IcedEarth | for desktop |
| 23:37.20 | IcedEarth | and so it will stay |
| 23:37.24 | GPLGeek | It has to offer a littlbe bit for everyone, including critical problems for the techs to fix |
| 23:37.28 | GPLGeek | job security |
| 23:37.37 | IcedEarth | yes, I pay the rent via M$ |
| 23:37.40 | IcedEarth | so im not complaining |
| 23:37.44 | TuxMeister | yeah, but the problem appears when that working people are beggining to lose their time restarting and trying to fix up things that wouldn't suppose to be there |
| 23:37.48 | IcedEarth | but where Windows is not prevelant |
| 23:37.57 | IcedEarth | such as Venezela |
| 23:38.08 | IcedEarth | then there is prime chance for Linux to become powerful force |
| 23:38.19 | IcedEarth | and for people to "own their own systems!!" |
| 23:38.22 | GPLGeek | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:38.44 | IcedEarth | yes, they are keeping an eye on things |
| 23:38.50 | IcedEarth | I wonder if they have looked at Elive yet?> |
| 23:38.57 | IcedEarth | I wonder if theres anyone in here spying on us? |
| 23:39.08 | IcedEarth | :D |
| 23:39.10 | TuxMeister | that's getting a little too paranoid xD |
| 23:39.15 | IcedEarth | who said that |
| 23:39.17 | IcedEarth | lol |
| 23:39.25 | TuxMeister | anyway, it wouldn't be so strange |
| 23:39.35 | IcedEarth | It could always be a possibility |
| 23:39.38 | IcedEarth | you can bet your life |
| 23:39.45 | IcedEarth | that theres a team of employees from microsoft |
| 23:39.52 | IcedEarth | downloading distros from distrowatch weekly |
| 23:39.56 | IcedEarth | ill put money on it |
| 23:40.01 | IcedEarth | and they produce reports on them |
| 23:40.02 | GPLGeek | I'm in windowsxp, elive, debian sarge, freedos, right now, I have taken all of thw windows/linux/unix classes. |
| 23:40.20 | IcedEarth | You are trained professional? |
| 23:40.24 | GPLGeek | I plan to make a lot of money from vista. From the beta testers I'm hearing a lot more problems than they had with XP |
| 23:40.35 | GPLGeek | I have certifications but NOT MS's |
| 23:40.38 | IcedEarth | Really, yes I would love to get my hands on a copy |
| 23:40.49 | IcedEarth | theyve put it back 6 months though and theres about 7 versions |
| 23:40.59 | IcedEarth | one version where you cant even load any drivers |
| 23:41.04 | IcedEarth | what? |
| 23:41.33 | IcedEarth | To be honest |
| 23:41.40 | IcedEarth | the local authority I work for |
| 23:41.46 | IcedEarth | has not even finished rolling out XP yet |
| 23:41.50 | GPLGeek | I got a ROP certification. It's like the A+, plus advanced networking, administration, Linux, Mac, Hardware/Software all-in-one |
| 23:41.51 | IcedEarth | so they are not even going to touch VISTA |
| 23:41.53 | IcedEarth | for sure |
| 23:42.01 | IcedEarth | cool |
| 23:42.03 | GPLGeek | It pulls it's weight |
| 23:42.07 | IcedEarth | I bet it does |
| 23:42.13 | IcedEarth | how long did it take to get? |
| 23:42.21 | GPLGeek | I was told by many people that that was "better than ms" or "better than A+" |
| 23:42.27 | GPLGeek | The class was a full year |
| 23:42.33 | IcedEarth | did you have exams? |
| 23:42.41 | GPLGeek | I had to do a intern-like thing and had many exams |
| 23:42.48 | IcedEarth | were they hard? |
| 23:43.02 | GPLGeek | I had to build/fix thousands of computers at a local school, including servers, clients, etc. |
| 23:43.07 | IcedEarth | really |
| 23:43.11 | GPLGeek | run wires for networks' |
| 23:43.15 | IcedEarth | ok |
| 23:43.19 | IcedEarth | ive done this for job before |
| 23:43.22 | GPLGeek | admin for them on windows2k |
| 23:43.30 | IcedEarth | how much Admin? |
| 23:43.33 | IcedEarth | new users? |
| 23:43.36 | IcedEarth | new groups |
| 23:43.48 | GPLGeek | actually I did the admin stuff for 2 years, there were thousands of users. |
| 23:44.04 | IcedEarth | wow, ive only got about twenty |
| 23:44.45 | IcedEarth | GPLGeek, what has been your worst worry for this job |
| 23:44.49 | IcedEarth | is it backups? |
| 23:45.25 | GPLGeek | no |
| 23:45.37 | GPLGeek | I made a linux machine for all of the backups |
| 23:45.48 | IcedEarth | okay, how do you do it rsync? |
| 23:46.18 | GPLGeek | it was a project where I had to innovate a way to backup a system, or many systems, with many people involved in the project |
| 23:46.31 | GPLGeek | the windows machines on the network did not have rsync |
| 23:46.35 | IcedEarth | ah |
| 23:46.42 | GPLGeek | we did have a dvd stack |
| 23:46.43 | GPLGeek | =) |
| 23:46.49 | IcedEarth | i just go and order backup Exec :P |
| 23:46.52 | GPLGeek | the dvdstack was controlled by the linux machine |
| 23:46.55 | IcedEarth | wow |
| 23:46.57 | GPLGeek | we set up jobs |
| 23:47.00 | IcedEarth | this sounds like top notch stuff |
| 23:47.11 | GPLGeek | it sucked when it was tape |
| 23:47.22 | GPLGeek | one guy got cut DEEP on that thick metal tape lol. A tape had jammed |
| 23:47.25 | IcedEarth | Yes, i used to have nightmares about tape backups |
| 23:47.32 | IcedEarth | nasty |
| 23:47.37 | GPLGeek | we had a server with about 20 tape drives in it or something. |
| 23:47.40 | IcedEarth | wow |
| 23:47.42 | IcedEarth | thats amazing |
| 23:47.54 | IcedEarth | I used to worry with one |
| 23:47.58 | IcedEarth | but it was only me responsible |
| 23:48.00 | IcedEarth | not a team |
| 23:48.41 | GPLGeek | well |
| 23:48.45 | GPLGeek | to be honest my team sucked |
| 23:48.54 | GPLGeek | I knew more than the lead admin |
| 23:49.02 | IcedEarth | yes, I have found this sometimes |
| 23:49.14 | IcedEarth | some people who are in positions, and you wonder how they got there |
| 23:49.23 | GPLGeek | The other "admins" never had as much control as me because they sucked. |
| 23:49.40 | GPLGeek | they are power happy just having th admin status but have no clue how to keep the systems running |
| 23:49.56 | IcedEarth | Mmmm, do you have a reactive or pro-active approach to your servers? |
| 23:50.15 | GPLGeek | LOL that's hard to say |
| 23:50.28 | GPLGeek | Let's say I tried to be pro-active |
| 23:50.28 | IcedEarth | I think mine is reactive to be honest :( |
| 23:50.44 | GPLGeek | but it's not like I could order parts |
| 23:50.52 | GPLGeek | and it WAS ON WINDOWS |
| 23:50.55 | IcedEarth | my pro-active goes as far as checking the backuplogs |
| 23:50.55 | GPLGeek | some of the servers |
| 23:51.05 | IcedEarth | and maybe checking on the health of the hard disks |
| 23:51.10 | IcedEarth | but with RAID i relax somewhat |
| 23:51.44 | GPLGeek | all of the windows servers went down at once (because of a stupid admin with viruses) and we were able to migrate the entire 8 server network to 1 linux server and 1 protected print server |
| 23:51.54 | IcedEarth | wow |
| 23:52.00 | IcedEarth | was it just a file and print server? |
| 23:52.02 | GPLGeek | but it cost them 1900$ |
| 23:52.05 | IcedEarth | did you use SAMBA? |
| 23:52.26 | GPLGeek | I dont know what they did after I left |
| 23:52.43 | GPLGeek | Samba isn't bad |
| 23:52.50 | IcedEarth | no, its good i think |
| 23:52.52 | GPLGeek | some windows machiens have problems transfering large files though |
| 23:52.54 | IcedEarth | but can be hard to configure |
| 23:53.14 | IcedEarth | simple file sharing for SME is fine |
| 23:53.21 | IcedEarth | but for large enterprise im not so sure |
| 23:53.39 | GPLGeek | to be honest I have never used NFS in any real environment |
| 23:53.47 | IcedEarth | me neither |
| 23:53.56 | GPLGeek | Either used file transfer through ssh or samba |
| 23:54.21 | IcedEarth | sounds like you know your stuff |
| 23:54.27 | GPLGeek | or my favorite.... zcompression (based on internal/external status, and file size/type) ftp server |
| 23:54.39 | IcedEarth | not heard of this |
| 23:54.52 | GPLGeek | ok.... do you know what compressing packets is? |
| 23:55.10 | IcedEarth | yes, I understand that most web browsers now can display zipped files |
| 23:55.13 | IcedEarth | as webpages |
| 23:55.17 | IcedEarth | my developer friend showed me |
| 23:55.28 | IcedEarth | so it increases download speeds |
| 23:55.29 | GPLGeek | there is a buffer, it waits until it fills the buffer, or times out. then it compresses the packets and sends it |
| 23:55.43 | IcedEarth | sounds like a more polite way of dealing with traffic |
| 23:55.49 | GPLGeek | if the file size is too small to fill the buffer, or usually at least 4 buffers, then it just sends normal |
| 23:55.52 | IcedEarth | polite / efficient |
| 23:55.59 | IcedEarth | ah |
| 23:56.06 | IcedEarth | so it knows when to bother and when not to |
| 23:56.11 | GPLGeek | if its a local address and there is no load then it does not compress |
| 23:56.21 | IcedEarth | sounds clever |
| 23:56.25 | GPLGeek | so it's friendly to the end user's cpu, nic, and speed |
| 23:56.34 | GPLGeek | it was fun |
| 23:56.40 | IcedEarth | yes, a much more efficient and polite |
| 23:56.41 | IcedEarth | methinks |
| 23:56.55 | IcedEarth | If only all the internet worked this way |
| 23:56.56 | TuxMeister | (i'm reading your chit-chat and i'm learning in background mode, and a lot xD) |
| 23:56.57 | GPLGeek | you could also, on either side, limit the amount of kb/s |
| 23:57.14 | GPLGeek | some of the internet is starting to work that way |
| 23:57.18 | GPLGeek | there are html.gz |
| 23:57.28 | GPLGeek | but that is always compressed |
| 23:57.30 | IcedEarth | yes, this is what me friend was showing me |
| 23:57.34 | IcedEarth | i think |
| 23:57.45 | IcedEarth | have you heard of the proxy program from M$ called Fiddler |
| 23:58.00 | GPLGeek | I dont know about it |
| 23:58.10 | IcedEarth | You should check it out, but unfortunately it only works on windows |
| 23:58.17 | IcedEarth | you can see everything sent to browser |
| 23:58.31 | GPLGeek | you can do that with any proxy |
| 23:58.33 | IcedEarth | and then compress the data to see |
| 23:58.46 | IcedEarth | how much you could save |
| 23:58.47 | IcedEarth | oh ok |
| 23:58.50 | GPLGeek | back in windows98/slackware I made my own proxy |
| 23:58.57 | GPLGeek | years ago |
| 23:58.59 | IcedEarth | I only seen what I was shown :( |
| 23:59.05 | GPLGeek | it would remove html of specific types |
| 23:59.07 | IcedEarth | you are clever guy |
| 23:59.08 | GPLGeek | or javascript |
| 23:59.11 | IcedEarth | ah |
| 23:59.14 | GPLGeek | remove ads BEFORE you download them |
| 23:59.16 | IcedEarth | cool |
| 23:59.23 | IcedEarth | i have used Squid before |
| 23:59.25 | IcedEarth | but very complex |
| 23:59.28 | IcedEarth | to tweak |
| 23:59.39 | GPLGeek | think I may have toyed with it |
| 23:59.57 | IcedEarth | Heres one for you |
