| 00:00.08 | Zyk0tiK | hey |
| 00:01.39 | withoutclass | hi Zyk0tiK |
| 00:01.47 | Zyk0tiK | hey withoutclass |
| 00:01.52 | withoutclass | whats up |
| 00:02.04 | Zyk0tiK | nothing much, been trying to contact Thanatermesis |
| 00:02.20 | Zyk0tiK | want to produce a PPC version of elive |
| 00:02.52 | Thanatermesis | goldstein the iso is of 700 Mb, correct ? |
| 00:03.08 | Zyk0tiK | Hey, Thanatermesis |
| 00:03.20 | Thanatermesis | hi Zyk0tiK |
| 00:03.26 | Zyk0tiK | hey did you get my email? |
| 00:03.34 | Thanatermesis | mmmh |
| 00:03.42 | goldstein | Thanatermesis, what iso? |
| 00:04.05 | Thanatermesis | yes, just looking.... |
| 00:04.09 | Thanatermesis | goldstein EvilEntity |
| 00:04.15 | goldstein | oh sure.. |
| 00:04.19 | goldstein | 700 yes |
| 00:05.56 | Thanatermesis | Zyk0tiK question, what videos have you look ? |
| 00:06.21 | Zyk0tiK | on your site |
| 00:06.34 | Thanatermesis | goldstein i don't understand... i don't have look any prolbem of speed with EE in my machines... but sounds similar to a problem of the CD/device or maybe ram, how much ram you have ? |
| 00:06.42 | Thanatermesis | Zyk0tiK elivecd.org or thanatermesis.org ? |
| 00:06.52 | Zyk0tiK | Thanatermesis.org |
| 00:06.53 | goldstein | it must be the cd |
| 00:07.00 | Thanatermesis | nice :) |
| 00:07.05 | goldstein | 42ram i think |
| 00:07.38 | Thanatermesis | but i like to make better and more beautiful videos when i have a little of time :) |
| 00:07.48 | Zyk0tiK | :) |
| 00:08.07 | Zyk0tiK | so what do you say to my proposal? |
| 00:08.15 | withoutclass | just put "elive" in the file name |
| 00:08.18 | withoutclass | then is beautiful |
| 00:08.19 | withoutclass | xD |
| 00:08.23 | Thanatermesis | goldstein 42 mb of ram not is really very... i don't know how much ram needs it, you can't posible to add more ? also temporally? |
| 00:08.24 | Zyk0tiK | i hear that |
| 00:08.31 | Thanatermesis | Zyk0tiK reading... |
| 00:08.45 | Thanatermesis | lol withoutclass |
| 00:10.06 | goldstein | Thanatermesis, i cannot boot much things from cd..almost every live cd halts on BAD EIP ERROR.. |
| 00:10.26 | Zyk0tiK | goldstein: you've only got 42 meg of ram? |
| 00:10.46 | goldstein | lol, on my old 10 year old machine yes, not on my lappy :) |
| 00:11.06 | Zyk0tiK | oh, just live CDs load into ram, am i right? your computer would max out of ram and halt |
| 00:11.27 | goldstein | dsl should work |
| 00:11.36 | Thanatermesis | Zyk0tiK i like the idea of port Elive for PPC machines... of course!, but this is not easy and requires A LOT of work... for start, i need to export all the 300 own packages to Elive has to the PPC architecture, and this is not easy when this packages not are made with debian tools to has the deb-src with a easy way to build it in another architecture... by another hand is needed to know a little the PPC system and what has, how works, wh |
| 00:11.37 | Thanatermesis | at is the bad and good things... |
| 00:11.40 | Zyk0tiK | yeah dsl is pretty small |
| 00:12.04 | Zyk0tiK | i have PPC machines, i can do that stuff |
| 00:12.08 | goldstein | Zyk0tiK, dsl is *damn* small |
| 00:12.09 | goldstein | eheh |
| 00:12.30 | Zyk0tiK | ;) |
| 00:13.14 | Zyk0tiK | why not get a regular linux distro and install it? |
| 00:13.50 | gnaunited | I think Mac hardware would cost too much for the average user, so making a Elive distro for PPC would be a very small corner of an already small Market |
| 00:13.53 | Thanatermesis | all this work requires a lot of time to i don't really have much, and of course is needed a machine for make all the things and of course, the lot of required tests... a lot of ppl has proposed me a SSH shell to a ppc/amd64 machine... but this is not very useful when is needed a lot of tests, and its also a very slow way to work, not because the speed of the connection but about "your limited only shell" |
| 00:14.32 | Thanatermesis | i agree also with gnaunited |
| 00:14.34 | Zyk0tiK | i could give you a full access root shell if you needed it... |
| 00:14.36 | goldstein | Zyk0tiK, i´m tryng. what regular distro do u sugest on a 133mhz, 2.6gb and 42ram (and with a weirdo unmountable cdrom eheh)? |
| 00:14.44 | Zyk0tiK | Slackware |
| 00:14.45 | Zyk0tiK | :) |
| 00:14.48 | gnaunited | Do you need special software to make the i386 version work on a IntelMac? |
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| 00:14.59 | goldstein | hum...what version? |
| 00:15.00 | Zyk0tiK | not sure if Boot Camp would boot it, maybe |
| 00:15.02 | Thanatermesis | the idea is good, of course is nice to have a PPC version... but not is sufficient good when a lot of more things is posible to made with better result |
| 00:15.18 | egrub | Thanatermesis, acabo de usar el visualización de xmms muy bueno y chulo |
| 00:15.23 | egrub | Quieres ver? |
| 00:15.27 | gnaunited | I hear BootCamp is having problems already, but no doubt they will blame it on windows |
| 00:15.33 | Zyk0tiK | Heh |
| 00:15.42 | Zyk0tiK | goldstein: the newest stable one |
| 00:15.56 | goldstein | floppy install? |
| 00:15.57 | Thanatermesis | egrub ya me los conozco todos, jeje |
| 00:16.02 | egrub | No sé |
| 00:16.11 | Zyk0tiK | urr... negative, CD install... |
| 00:16.18 | egrub | Thanatermesis, conoces xmms-rootvis? |
| 00:16.25 | goldstein | yeah |
| 00:16.29 | Zyk0tiK | i think regular Debian has a floppy version for net install |
| 00:16.34 | Thanatermesis | no egrub, manda un shot, va |
| 00:16.39 | egrub | Ah!!! |
| 00:16.42 | egrub | No conoces! xDD |
| 00:16.50 | goldstein | Zyk0tiK, i'll try debian floppy + network install |
| 00:17.10 | egrub | Thanatermesis, acepta el archivo |
| 00:17.18 | goldstein | gnaunited, i'll blame whoever wants to run windows when he could run macosX |
| 00:17.20 | goldstein | eheh |
| 00:17.34 | Zyk0tiK | gnaunited: What do you mean cost too much for the average user? |
| 00:18.02 | gnaunited | Mac's cost a hell of a lot more than any normal PC |
| 00:18.11 | Zyk0tiK | people wouldn't buy the hardware to run Elive, they'd get Elive to use on their already owned Macs |
| 00:18.31 | egrub | Thanatermesis, viste mas arriba color amarrillo? |
| 00:18.31 | gnaunited | But you don't buy a mac to run Linux, you buy a mac to run MacOS |
| 00:18.41 | gnaunited | That is one of the only reasons I can think of |
| 00:19.02 | Zyk0tiK | I mean, a lot of PPC users use Ubuntu, and Elive has the potential to take even more popularity than that, and when that happens people have an outcry for Elive for PPC. |
| 00:19.04 | Thanatermesis | queda chulo para el desktop, si :) |
| 00:19.08 | egrub | Si claro |
| 00:19.14 | egrub | No sabía esto |
| 00:20.00 | gnaunited | Elive already resembles MacOSX, but it is much too confusing for the average mac usr. |
| 00:20.04 | Thanatermesis | i know Zyk0tiK... and its a good idea, yes... maybe in the future, after the "try" of the Amd64 version to are planned and look "what happens" and how much hard is it... |
| 00:20.12 | gnaunited | So, you would be hard presses to tell them to switch |
| 00:20.39 | Thanatermesis | but also i repeat... with a simple shell acount.. this process is really to much slow... is really needed to have the system fisically in the hand for work a minimum fast |
| 00:20.45 | Zyk0tiK | Thanatermesis: what kind of X86-64 machine would you need? a very powerful one or a regular one? |
| 00:20.58 | gnaunited | Too many questions no one here is capable of answering without mac experience |
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| 00:21.11 | Thanatermesis | a regular amd64 machine, the actual computers to are sell |
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| 00:21.40 | Zyk0tiK | no i mean, does it need to be like an FX-57 or whatever, or would a lowly 3000+ do? |
| 00:22.43 | Thanatermesis | do are saying about servers and big computers ? |
| 00:23.12 | Thanatermesis | simple amd64 machines, in general... the same amd64 machines to very ppl buy for "games" or powered computers |
| 00:23.50 | goldstein | you should use a 2800 or a 3000 to make sure it would run fast on everyone:) |
| 00:24.12 | withoutclass | you spend spend 100k and buy up all types of machines to make tests |
| 00:24.19 | Zyk0tiK | just thinking that people could work together to get you one. if it doesn't need an uber powerful 64 chip in it, you can build one pretty cheap... |
| 00:24.23 | withoutclass | this sounds like a great idea! |
| 00:24.26 | withoutclass | xd |
| 00:24.48 | goldstein | we build one 2800, 160 sata, 1gb ram for 300euros |
| 00:24.55 | Thanatermesis | goldstein, my machine of tests is a 360 Mhz with 64 mb of ram ;) |
| 00:24.56 | Zyk0tiK | see |
| 00:25.19 | goldstein | (was supposed to be only 512ram, but they send more for the same price eheh) |
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| 00:25.26 | goldstein | Thanatermesis, thats good:) |
| 00:25.33 | gnaunited | And I thought my laptop was slow |
| 00:25.47 | roxville_ | hello Elive_user82 :) |
| 00:25.53 | roxville_ | welcome to #elive |
| 00:25.58 | withoutclass | roxville_, welcome outta the cave |
| 00:26.09 | roxville_ | lol |
| 00:26.23 | roxville_ | i prefer to call it "the daughter trap" |
| 00:26.36 | Zyk0tiK | i miss my old PC... I spent so much money on it to make it uber and then i discovered macs and ditched it pretty quickly... I would never use Windows as my main platform again, but man I miss the games. |
| 00:27.20 | roxville_ | Zyk0tiK, i love macs too... for some reason, i'm a BIG fan of imacs |
| 00:28.36 | goldstein | hi roxville_ |
| 00:28.39 | Zyk0tiK | yeah me too... i want a new intel iMac... 20" one... just wish i didn't get myself into debt 'cause paying it off leaves me with no money to buy what I want... |
| 00:29.01 | roxville_ | goldstein, you look strong tonight, buddy! :) |
| 00:29.09 | goldstein | why? |
| 00:29.39 | Thanatermesis | is not "yellow dog" sponsored directly my mac or a similar thing ? |
| 00:30.27 | Zyk0tiK | what annoys me is i got a credit card with about 6000 euro credit limit... bought loads of equipment for my band, then bought a mac mini to use as our little portable recording box... as soon as i turned the mac on my PC was never turned on again... 3000 euros of computer awesomeness left to collect dust to a tiny little underpowered PPC box.... |
| 00:30.48 | Zyk0tiK | i regret buying the mac mini last, i wish i bought it first, i woulda returned it and got a G5 iMac.... |
| 00:30.59 | Zyk0tiK | 'cause once i'd bought it i had no credit left :P |
| 00:31.03 | goldstein | Zyk0tiK, sell it.. |
| 00:31.08 | Zyk0tiK | i did ;) |
| 00:31.15 | withoutclass | FOR CRACK |
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| 00:31.18 | goldstein | lol |
| 00:31.20 | Zyk0tiK | which is what i regret, 'cause man I miss HL2 and CS:S |
| 00:31.26 | withoutclass | eh |
| 00:31.32 | goldstein | of course it was for crack, the guy has a band |
| 00:31.33 | goldstein | lol |
| 00:31.39 | withoutclass | i made the switch to no windows rather recently |
| 00:31.40 | goldstein | look at roxville_ |
| 00:31.43 | withoutclass | i miss wc3 bad |
| 00:31.43 | goldstein | lol |
| 00:32.09 | Zyk0tiK | WC3 runs using Cedega right? |
| 00:32.16 | goldstein | brb |
| 00:32.17 | withoutclass | hahaha |
| 00:32.18 | withoutclass | no |
| 00:32.22 | withoutclass | apt changenick |
| 00:32.23 | apt | from memory, changenick is Elive_user Elive_user2 Elive_user3, please change their nickname, if not, no more users can be posible to enter in the channel |
| 00:32.31 | roxville_ | <goldstein> why? <-- i was being supportive! |
| 00:32.46 | goldstein | i was kidding! gtg |
| 00:32.51 | withoutclass | i have an centrino based laptop |
| 00:32.54 | withoutclass | so i got an ati card |
| 00:32.59 | Zyk0tiK | see ya goldstein |
| 00:33.02 | withoutclass | i can barely run SC |
| 00:33.11 | withoutclass | cedega is a joke/ripoff |
| 00:33.21 | Zyk0tiK | Cedega works well if you have the right hardware... |
| 00:33.28 | withoutclass | unless u have a powerfull nvidia based computer |
| 00:33.37 | Zyk0tiK | It didn't work for me 'cause it hated X800XT PEs |
| 00:34.26 | Zyk0tiK | i guess it's just a problem with ATI cards in general |
| 00:35.06 | Zyk0tiK | isn't crossover office supporting DirectX soon or something? |
| 00:36.05 | roxville_ | Zyk0tiK, so... what stuff you get for your band? Mackie 1521's and the 18 inch subs? |
| 00:36.35 | Zyk0tiK | heh, new drum kit, 1200watt PA system, drum mics.... |
| 00:37.14 | Zyk0tiK | that's about it, but it was all good quality stuff... |
| 00:38.28 | Zyk0tiK | Drums cost 2750 euros for the shells, then i beefed them up with full Zildjian cymbals, Iron Cobra hardware, Premier stands and Remo pinstripe skins... |
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| 00:39.18 | binaryfog | need help moving file |
| 00:39.42 | binaryfog | downloaded java tyring to move to a directory i have made called /usr/java |
| 00:41.00 | Zyk0tiK | su mv ? |
| 00:41.00 | Zyk0tiK | sudo* |
| 00:41.00 | Thanatermesis | apt-get install java is more easy :P |
| 00:41.00 | roxville_ | what drums ya get? |
| 00:41.00 | roxville_ | gretsch? |
| 00:41.00 | binaryfog | didnt think of that |
| 00:41.00 | Zyk0tiK | naw, Tama |
| 00:41.01 | roxville_ | yeah... wise choice... more bang for the buck :) |
| 00:41.01 | Zyk0tiK | yeah :) |
| 00:41.17 | Zyk0tiK | nice Mahogony/Birch ply shells with a sweet stained blue/green finish and laquered up to shine |
| 00:41.37 | roxville_ | nice! tama snare too? |
| 00:41.40 | binaryfog | ok for future reffrence .... how come when i try to move a file from /home/usrname/ to /usr/java i get a canot move permission denied? ... i have tried su in terminal to get root permissions but still dosent work ... new to linux thinking maby i dont understand privilages 100% |
| 00:41.56 | Zyk0tiK | yeah, wooden snare, cracks so sweet |
| 00:42.16 | roxville_ | yeah |
| 00:42.24 | roxville_ | i love it |
| 00:42.40 | Zyk0tiK | hold up |
| 00:42.56 | binaryfog | thanks for apt-get recomendation.... java is now installed :) thanks |
| 00:45.54 | Zyk0tiK | http://86.130.39.88/~Zyk0tiK/ntoo.mp3 |
| 00:46.01 | Zyk0tiK | one of our songs if you wanna check it out |
| 00:46.14 | Thanatermesis | welcome binaryfog :) |
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| 00:46.32 | binaryfog | lol |
| 00:46.42 | binaryfog | hey nice to see ya again thanatermesis |
| 00:47.02 | binaryfog | maby you can answer my question |
| 00:47.03 | binaryfog | how come when i try to move a file from /home/usrname/ to /usr/java i get a canot move permission denied? ... i have tried su in terminal to get root permissions but still dosent work ... new to linux thinking maby i dont understand privilages 100% |
| 00:47.25 | binaryfog | dont need to move the file anymore but would be nice to figure out how to do this later again... |
| 00:47.26 | gnaunited | Is the file in use? |
| 00:47.32 | binaryfog | nope |
| 00:47.32 | roxville_ | damn, i missed a swedish elive user! |
| 00:47.53 | Thanatermesis | /usr/java don't exist here |
| 00:47.57 | binaryfog | its an rpm.bin file |
| 00:48.03 | Thanatermesis | :S |
| 00:48.10 | Thanatermesis | what program is ? |
| 00:48.12 | binaryfog | no used terminal /mkdir to create it |
| 00:48.28 | binaryfog | java isntallation from their web site |
| 00:48.46 | Thanatermesis | is HIGHLY recomendable to use ONLY official packages, from the default Elive repositories |
| 00:48.48 | binaryfog | it saved it to /home/joshua/ |
| 00:49.02 | Thanatermesis | install a rpm package is a ugly thing, you can posible to brok your system |
| 00:49.08 | binaryfog | sorry probably shouldnt have put my name there |
| 00:49.13 | binaryfog | oops :) |
| 00:49.42 | roxville_ | binaryfog, no preoblem... in here, we are all named joshua |
| 00:49.46 | binaryfog | well some one asked me why i dont just use apt-get .... :) |
| 00:49.53 | binaryfog | wasnt thinking about that |
| 00:49.58 | roxville_ | i'm joshua-chris, btw :) |
| 00:50.02 | binaryfog | but we have java installed now |
| 00:50.04 | Thanatermesis | the better way for make this ugly thing is alienizing it... "alien package.rpm" (and you have a package.deb), its a way... its a .deb package, the risk is less but not is a official pacakge and "we don't know what exactly made this pacakge" |
| 00:50.33 | withoutclass | my name is joshua-matt |
| 00:50.38 | roxville_ | lol |
| 00:50.39 | binaryfog | i just like to orginize my file structure a little and java's web site used /usr/java as an example location to install to |
| 00:50.54 | withoutclass | dont use websites |
| 00:50.56 | withoutclass | only apt |
| 00:50.57 | binaryfog | lol ok |
| 00:50.59 | Thanatermesis | Im Thanajoshua |
| 00:51.03 | binaryfog | only apt ok |
| 00:51.05 | roxville_ | LOL |
| 00:51.18 | withoutclass | unless you are dling an official .deb package from the debian website |
| 00:51.31 | withoutclass | or you got the dev tools required to build the package from source |
| 00:51.41 | withoutclass | .rpm = not elive |
| 00:51.55 | binaryfog | so just because i find a file from the web for linux dosent mean ill be able to install it then |
| 00:52.06 | withoutclass | this is correct |
| 00:52.16 | binaryfog | better get used to using apt-get :) |
| 00:52.17 | withoutclass | think of it like trying to install xp program on win 3.1 |
| 00:52.20 | Thanatermesis | binaryfog "your" file structure is only in your home... /usr is only for the system and you don't need to touch anything of here, only /usr/local is a exception, /usr/local is where you compile all your things |
| 00:52.37 | binaryfog | ah ok |
| 00:53.20 | binaryfog | so dont go wandering somewhere i shouldnt.... might step on somthing and break it eh... lol |
| 00:53.38 | binaryfog | home and local... i suppose they call it that for a reason |
| 00:54.30 | binaryfog | yeah that probably wouldnt work too well eh withoutclass |
| 00:54.40 | binaryfog | thanks guys |
| 00:54.47 | withoutclass | mhmm |
| 00:54.58 | binaryfog | anyone familiar with ubuntu? |
| 00:55.03 | withoutclass | linux is a system yes, but the only thing most of the distros have in common is the kernel |
| 00:55.11 | roxville_ | ubuntu? nope, never heard of it |
| 00:55.25 | withoutclass | and even that is often different depending on modules/drivers built into it |
| 00:55.31 | roxville_ | what is it? a new kind of hot dog? |
| 00:56.04 | binaryfog | i dont remember creating a root usr password so i cant use terminal su to get access... is there a place i can go to check this or maby edit my root usr |
| 00:56.06 | withoutclass | its the newest windows emulator |
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| 00:56.25 | withoutclass | i refuse to give ubuntu support -.- |
| 00:56.36 | binaryfog | lol yep a new hot dog |
| 00:56.43 | withoutclass | nothing personal |
| 00:57.00 | binaryfog | that bad eh? |
| 00:57.01 | withoutclass | although i do know the answer |
| 00:57.08 | binaryfog | lol |
| 00:57.15 | binaryfog | i like elive better anyways |
| 00:57.21 | withoutclass | good |
| 00:58.16 | Zyk0tiK | binaryfog: in ubuntu there is no su access |
| 00:58.16 | binaryfog | just have both installed right now .... still playing with linux ... kinda new to it and trying diffrent distros to see which one im most comfortable with before i go learning a whole lot |
| 00:58.18 | Zyk0tiK | only sudo |
| 00:59.15 | Zyk0tiK | type *sudo YOUR COMMAND" and then put in the main user you originally made's password |
| 00:59.29 | Zyk0tiK | that acts as su |
| 00:59.40 | Zyk0tiK | ubuntu disables root by default to make the system more secure |
| 00:59.42 | binaryfog | thanks Zyk0tiK |
| 00:59.48 | gnaunited | damn them! |
| 00:59.54 | gnaunited | How do I re enable root? |
| 00:59.55 | Thanatermesis | this is a ugly way of bad secutiry, and this is why i have disabled it on Elive by default |
| 00:59.56 | binaryfog | that would explain everything |
| 01:00.05 | gnaunited | Cause, typing sudo su is getting old |
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| 01:00.13 | binaryfog | lol |
| 01:00.20 | Thanatermesis | Elive don't has "sudo" by default... if you want to make thing in root, just "su" and you enter on root mode for make anything.. |
| 01:00.33 | Zyk0tiK | you only have to do sudo and enter a password once, after that the session keeps the password stored |
| 01:00.38 | withoutclass | sudo works too... |
| 01:00.43 | Thanatermesis | and if anybody really wants to use sudo... then is their problem, just configure it and this is all |
| 01:00.44 | withoutclass | just need to put password.. |
| 01:01.13 | Thanatermesis | withoutclass yes, but it remember your password for a time |
| 01:01.15 | Zyk0tiK | gnaunited: not sure how to enable it again, never tried. |
| 01:01.22 | withoutclass | scary |
| 01:01.37 | withoutclass | i dont use it, just saying it was enabled by default on my machine. |
| 01:01.55 | binaryfog | scary is right |
| 01:02.28 | Thanatermesis | withoutclass for example in the school... if you look anybody making a "sudo thing", you just need to say "hey man, can you posible to go search me one coffe ?", and when this person are out, you enter on the computer with root with a simple "sudo" thing, change the password of root... etc |
| 01:02.30 | Zyk0tiK | only remembers it until you close the terminal session |
| 01:02.59 | binaryfog | lol |
| 01:03.00 | withoutclass | what if you dont |
| 01:03.14 | Zyk0tiK | what, ever close it? |
| 01:03.33 | Zyk0tiK | i think there's a kill off time, so it forgets it after a period |
| 01:04.03 | withoutclass | eh |
| 01:04.05 | withoutclass | i rather just su |
| 01:04.06 | withoutclass | safer |
| 01:04.06 | Thanatermesis | or maybe i connect via SSH in the withoutclass computer, and i say "launch X thing now" (this thing requires a sudo action), and after, i log in root because sudo remembers the last sudo of withoutclass for a X time.... Im root then with the total of control of the machine, i can posible to change the root password... maybe create a account on this computer with full permissions for a future day... :) |
| 01:04.29 | roxville_ | :) |
| 01:04.41 | binaryfog | lol |
| 01:04.46 | Thanatermesis | and the lessons of "how to crack a ubuntu" is finished for today lol |
| 01:04.55 | binaryfog | now we are learning stuff |
| 01:04.57 | Zyk0tiK | oh, the way to enable root is by typing "sudo passwd root" and then change it |
| 01:05.12 | Zyk0tiK | root isn't technically "disabled" just has a random password so you don't use it |
| 01:05.35 | withoutclass | ubuntu is a crippled version of windows |
| 01:05.40 | Thanatermesis | i think to this is a question for the FAQ... "why Elive don't has sudo?" |
| 01:05.49 | withoutclass | ok! |
| 01:05.56 | binaryfog | yeah cause i tried to creat a root usr and ubuntu said account allready exists |
| 01:06.07 | withoutclass | someday, when i am not overrun in unix programming, c++ coding, tests, and gf |
| 01:06.07 | binaryfog | i got mad for a sec but just smilled |
| 01:06.19 | Zyk0tiK | Thanatermesis: sudo is no more insecure than su. if you are in a terminal and do sudo and it remembers your password, it's exactly the same as typing "su", putting in your passowrd and then never typing another su command again, it's then logged you in that session as root |
| 01:06.33 | Zyk0tiK | so anyone could go to your screen and type "passwd root" and change your password. |
| 01:06.41 | withoutclass | just log out |
| 01:06.46 | roxville_ | binaryfog, the only thing you need to do, is enable "allow root to log in via GDM" |
| 01:06.51 | withoutclass | ctrl d that terminal |
| 01:07.02 | Zyk0tiK | yeah, or if you're using sudo you do the same thing and no password is remembered. |
| 01:07.06 | roxville_ | and type sudo passwd root in a terminal |
| 01:07.07 | Thanatermesis | mmmh |
| 01:07.50 | Thanatermesis | no Zyk0tiK... i have typed "su" on the terminal and logged on root, after i have typed with the same user in another terminal "su" and have asked me again |
| 01:08.04 | Thanatermesis | sudo don't make this.. sudo "remembers" your password and don't ask it more for while of time |
| 01:08.08 | *** join/#elive Taka0 (n=Elive_us@MTL-ppp-154101.qc.sympatico.ca) |
| 01:08.12 | Zyk0tiK | yeah in another terminal. |
| 01:08.30 | Thanatermesis | and in the same (just verified) |
| 01:09.15 | Zyk0tiK | ok, in one terminal |
| 01:09.18 | Zyk0tiK | Stephen-Stones-Computer:~ Zyk0tiK$ whoami |
| 01:09.18 | Zyk0tiK | Zyk0tiK |
| 01:09.19 | Zyk0tiK | Stephen-Stones-Computer:~ Zyk0tiK$ sudo whoami |
| 01:09.19 | Zyk0tiK | root |
| 01:09.19 | Zyk0tiK | Stephen-Stones-Computer:~ Zyk0tiK$ |
| 01:09.19 | binaryfog | so does sudo remeber even when terminal is closed? |
| 01:09.27 | Zyk0tiK | *closes terminal* |
| 01:09.33 | roxville_ | yes, it takes about 15 minutes before sudo "lets go" |
| 01:09.54 | roxville_ | binaryfog, yes |
| 01:09.58 | Zyk0tiK | oh |
| 01:10.02 | Zyk0tiK | heh, *slaps self* |
| 01:10.10 | binaryfog | in a whay thats nice but could cause problems |
| 01:10.12 | roxville_ | you can open synaptic or root terminal |
| 01:10.16 | binaryfog | can you make sudo forgett |
| 01:10.18 | Zyk0tiK | i completely closed terminal, reopened it, |
| 01:10.19 | Zyk0tiK | Stephen-Stones-Computer:~ Zyk0tiK$ whoami |
| 01:10.19 | Zyk0tiK | Zyk0tiK |
| 01:10.19 | Zyk0tiK | Stephen-Stones-Computer:~ Zyk0tiK$ sudo whoami |
| 01:10.19 | Zyk0tiK | root |
| 01:10.27 | Zyk0tiK | that's pretty insecure, i feel cheated |
| 01:10.30 | roxville_ | binaryfog, i have no idea |
| 01:10.45 | withoutclass | dont feel cheated, this is the way of the sudo |
| 01:10.48 | gnaunited | What is the technical name for cdfs? ISO something or other |
| 01:10.50 | withoutclass | dont use it anymore |
| 01:10.52 | roxville_ | i have nothing against ubuntu... still... i even like it |
| 01:11.04 | withoutclass | naw, u like gnome |
| 01:11.10 | withoutclass | not ubuntu |
| 01:11.11 | roxville_ | gnaunited, iso9660? |
| 01:11.11 | gnaunited | GNOMER! |
| 01:11.16 | gnaunited | let me check |
| 01:11.24 | Zyk0tiK | i hate gnome... i like K more, not tried Enlightenment yet |
| 01:11.35 | Zyk0tiK | KDE* |
| 01:11.51 | roxville_ | yes, i like gnome... i'm an interface nazi ! |
| 01:11.53 | withoutclass | i like..terminal |
| 01:11.57 | Thanatermesis | Zyk0tiK yes but... we are speaking about "su" don't remembers it, yes ? no sudo |
| 01:11.59 | Zyk0tiK | terminal ftw |
| 01:12.02 | Thanatermesis | you are trying sudo, no su |
| 01:12.11 | Zyk0tiK | yeah i said that |
| 01:12.20 | Zyk0tiK | i ate my words, it is insecure. i never realised it did that |
| 01:12.26 | binaryfog | i used k on mandrake and i liked its development pkgs it came with .... thought about loading it back on this machine but figured i could find development apps for elive too so have got that far yet |
| 01:12.29 | Zyk0tiK | i thought it forgot as soon as you closed terminal down |
| 01:12.48 | Zyk0tiK | kubuntu ftw |
| 01:13.21 | gnaunited | ftw? |
| 01:13.27 | withoutclass | apt ftw |
| 01:13.29 | apt | well, ftw is wtf backwards |
| 01:13.34 | gnaunited | ic |
| 01:13.35 | binaryfog | lol |
| 01:13.38 | withoutclass | no, ftw is also for the win |
| 01:13.42 | Zyk0tiK | ftw = for the win |
| 01:13.47 | gnaunited | ic |
| 01:13.52 | withoutclass | apt ftw is also for the win |
| 01:13.53 | apt | okay, withoutclass |
| 01:13.57 | withoutclass | apt ftw |
| 01:13.58 | apt | somebody said ftw was wtf backwards, or for the win |
| 01:14.00 | binaryfog | wtf = for the niw ? |
| 01:14.10 | gnaunited | no. |
| 01:14.16 | binaryfog | :) |
| 01:14.49 | *** join/#elive quidam- (n=quidam@200.84.180.29) |
| 01:14.52 | Zyk0tiK | i'm quite shocked that sudo works like that, that's a serious security hole, man. |
| 01:15.33 | Zyk0tiK | ALTHOUGH, in the example Thanatermesis gave above with some dude asking you to get coffee, i'd lock my screen. |
| 01:16.30 | withoutclass | eh |
| 01:16.32 | withoutclass | im too lazy |
| 01:16.39 | withoutclass | noone is ever around my computer |
| 01:16.42 | withoutclass | no biggy |
| 01:16.51 | Zyk0tiK | oh, Thanatermesis? I have a suggestion for Elive... allow capital letters in usernames. |
| 01:17.02 | gnaunited | YESSS!!! CAPS RULES! |
| 01:17.21 | Zyk0tiK | MacOS X lets you have capitals in usernames, and it owns |
| 01:17.38 | Zyk0tiK | ala this - Stephen-Stones-Computer:~ Zyk0tiK$ whoami |
| 01:17.38 | Zyk0tiK | Zyk0tiK |
| 01:17.40 | Thanatermesis | this is not a Elive related thing... is a linux related thing |
| 01:17.43 | gnaunited | MacOSX = Scourge of the sane universe |
| 01:17.54 | binaryfog | :) |
| 01:18.04 | Thanatermesis | and linux is case sensitive for all... except of you say to ignore the case sensitive |
| 01:18.17 | Zyk0tiK | isn't there a way of changing that? to enable caps? |
| 01:18.44 | dererk | Yo! |
| 01:18.47 | dererk | apt, yo! |
| 01:18.48 | apt | Yo wazzaaaap my brotha?! |
| 01:18.58 | Thanatermesis | macosx works in a UNIX based kernel with BSD license, i think to its very similar to linux :) |
| 01:18.58 | Zyk0tiK | 'cause when I go into stuff... and it says my username as "steve" or whatever, i really hate having the S in lowercase :P it looks totally wrong to me :| |
| 01:19.26 | Thanatermesis | Zyk0tiK don't worry... this is not the case on linux/elive ;) |
| 01:19.36 | Zyk0tiK | yeah it is :| |
| 01:19.41 | Thanatermesis | where ? |
| 01:19.48 | roxville_ | lol |
| 01:19.51 | dererk | apt, ping |
| 01:19.52 | apt | pong |
| 01:19.53 | Zyk0tiK | When you make a user in linux if you choose "Steve" as the username it says "lowercase only" |
| 01:19.59 | dererk | Oh... so it's me |
| 01:20.26 | roxville_ | hey dererk wb :) |
| 01:20.28 | withoutclass | you tried this on elive? |
| 01:20.34 | Zyk0tiK | me? |
| 01:20.36 | Thanatermesis | hum |
| 01:20.37 | withoutclass | or u going to taste ur toe jam again |
| 01:20.39 | withoutclass | xD |
| 01:20.41 | Thanatermesis | > adduser Steve |
| 01:20.41 | Thanatermesis | adduser: Please enter a username matching the regular expression configured |
| 01:20.41 | Thanatermesis | via the name_regex configuration variable. Use the `--force-badname' |
| 01:20.41 | Thanatermesis | option to relax this check or reconfigure name_regex. |
| 01:20.44 | dererk | thanks roxxie |
| 01:20.47 | Thanatermesis | you can posible to force it anyways... |
| 01:21.22 | Zyk0tiK | hmm... what does it say if you force it? |
| 01:21.42 | binaryfog | ouch! |
| 01:21.45 | binaryfog | lol |
| 01:21.46 | Zyk0tiK | haha |
| 01:21.47 | *** join/#elive Elive_user88 (n=Elive_us@CPE000f3d505cab-CM0011ae8a8546.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 01:21.51 | Zyk0tiK | "RAPE RAPE!!" |
| 01:21.52 | Zyk0tiK | ;D |
| 01:22.01 | Thanatermesis | not is a error, is a "warning", if you force it, is the same to say "Say it!!!" |
| 01:22.04 | dererk | WOW |
| 01:22.09 | dererk | What a large host |
| 01:22.24 | Thanatermesis | hey man, i have a good notice for you ;) |
| 01:22.29 | Zyk0tiK | ahh k, never new that :) |
| 01:22.32 | roxville_ | here, i made a nice elive-first-time background today :) http://71.204.226.14/public_html/misc/elive-newbie-bg2.jpg |
| 01:22.45 | Thanatermesis | > su steve |
| 01:22.45 | Thanatermesis | Unknown id: steve |
| 01:22.46 | Thanatermesis | > su Steve |
| 01:22.46 | Thanatermesis | Steve@tanateo[/home/asdf]$ |
| 01:22.49 | Thanatermesis | nice, eh ? :) |
| 01:22.51 | Thanatermesis | from elpanel |
| 01:22.56 | Zyk0tiK | yeah that's cool ;) |
| 01:23.07 | Zyk0tiK | good work :) |
| 01:23.15 | Thanatermesis | from elpanel is perfectly posible ;) |
| 01:23.20 | Zyk0tiK | :D |
| 01:23.23 | Thanatermesis | Elive is elpanel powered :) |
| 01:23.27 | Thanatermesis | apt elpanel |
| 01:23.28 | apt | extra, extra, read all about it, elpanel is the powered center of control of Elive, where all the answers of your questions are, your heart is prepaired for discover all features ? ;) |
| 01:23.39 | withoutclass | apt slap dererk |
| 01:23.40 | apt | ACTION slaps dererk, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 01:23.43 | withoutclass | perv |
| 01:23.43 | dererk | :-S |
| 01:23.50 | withoutclass | xD |
| 01:23.50 | Zyk0tiK | ok well i gotta jet, guys... 2:22am, gotta wake up at 9-ish... hard day of coding tomorrow... |
| 01:23.52 | binaryfog | roxville, i dont have a clock |
| 01:23.59 | binaryfog | where did mine go? |
| 01:24.03 | withoutclass | im hard coding right now lol |
| 01:24.10 | withoutclass | wanna solve my seg faults? |
| 01:24.11 | binaryfog | lol |
| 01:24.13 | roxville_ | Zyk0tiK, sleep well |
| 01:24.24 | Zyk0tiK | yeah but my employers get angry if i fall asleep at the keyboard :P |
| 01:24.28 | roxville_ | binaryfog, it's in your modules section |
| 01:24.30 | gnaunited | The sound broke on my alarm clock, guess I don't have to get up anymore |
| 01:24.33 | withoutclass | get bawls |
| 01:24.41 | dererk | withoutclass, have you tried more than a "HelloWorld" by know, noob? |
| 01:24.41 | Zyk0tiK | they laughed the first few times... but now i just get shouted at :P |
| 01:24.41 | dererk | xD |
| 01:24.49 | Thanatermesis | good night Zyk0tiK |
| 01:24.50 | binaryfog | ok thanks ... been check the wall clock for too long now |
| 01:24.56 | dererk | s/know/now/ :( |
| 01:25.02 | withoutclass | dererk, dynamic memory + linked lists |
| 01:25.03 | Zyk0tiK | night Thanatermesis |
| 01:25.07 | roxville_ | binaryfog, are you in e16 or e17? |
| 01:25.18 | dererk | withoutclass, what a useless helloworld XD |
| 01:25.25 | *** join/#elive el_gris (n=Elive_us@201.138.151.82) |
| 01:25.25 | withoutclass | -.- |
| 01:25.25 | Thanatermesis | roxville_ im sorry but i have a bad news for say to you... |
| 01:25.34 | *** part/#elive el_gris (n=Elive_us@201.138.151.82) |
| 01:25.41 | Thanatermesis | finally i don't use the "tech" background for e16... hehe |
| 01:25.42 | dererk | withoutclass, mine is better >( -_- )< |
| 01:25.44 | dererk | ;) |
| 01:25.45 | dererk | :D |
| 01:25.48 | Thanatermesis | after all the versions and tests :) lol |
| 01:25.55 | Zyk0tiK|Sleep | printf ("Goodnight, World!"); |
| 01:25.55 | roxville_ | omg.... |
| 01:25.58 | Thanatermesis | O:) |
| 01:26.00 | binaryfog | e16 for now |
| 01:26.01 | Thanatermesis | lol |
| 01:26.13 | Thanatermesis | don't kill me roxville_ :) |
| 01:26.14 | binaryfog | im on the slower comp ... havent tried e17 yet on this one |
| 01:26.20 | binaryfog | i use e17 on the other |
| 01:26.28 | binaryfog | figured i would play with both a little |
| 01:27.36 | Thanatermesis | roxville... the tech background feels "too charged", and the feel of this release of Elive is "night", not tech, hehe |
| 01:27.42 | *** join/#elive coagen (n=wrexsoul@richmond-bsr1-24-49-34-158.ironoh.adelphia.net) |
| 01:28.02 | Thanatermesis | by by another hand roxville, the new look for e16 looks a lot better ;) more similar to e17 :) |
| 01:28.08 | Thanatermesis | who want a screenshot ? :) |
| 01:28.10 | roxville | binaryfog, then the clock is in Demo->EFL->Elapse |
| 01:29.01 | binaryfog | ok i was looking for it.. thought i was going nuts |
| 01:29.22 | Thanatermesis | lol |
| 01:29.40 | Thanatermesis | o_O |
| 01:30.07 | roxville | i guess dererk has been dreaming of kicking him too |
| 01:30.10 | roxville | :D |
| 01:30.41 | dererk | roxville, really, I was wondering how's possible for me to be always forgotten |
| 01:31.14 | roxville | dererk, i don't think it's possible to forget you |
| 01:31.19 | roxville | ever |
| 01:31.28 | Thanatermesis | i have used a very more simplyst background roxville |
| 01:31.51 | dererk | roxville, I mean, at @ giving time |
| 01:31.52 | Thanatermesis | http://thanatermesis.org/tmp/shots/nada-borrar5.jpg <--- e16 |
| 01:32.07 | roxville | but you are usually the one talking a lot, and taking iniative... so... ppl are used to not having to DRAG the words out of you |
| 01:32.09 | roxville | ok? |
| 01:32.14 | roxville | no harm meant |
| 01:32.17 | roxville | at all |
| 01:32.18 | Thanatermesis | (left part only) |
| 01:32.20 | withoutclass | dererk is a spammer! |
| 01:33.37 | Thanatermesis | but don't worry roxville, btw you have a nice collection of backgrounds for Elive :) |
| 01:34.14 | roxville | yeah... in the trash can! |
| 01:34.28 | roxville | :) |
| 01:34.34 | Thanatermesis | why the trash ? the tech backgrounds are very nice |
| 01:34.42 | roxville | ok, i can make it official then |
| 01:34.53 | Thanatermesis | but is just too much charged for the e16 look... |
| 01:35.01 | Thanatermesis | or maybe in double monitors looks better... i don't know |
| 01:35.09 | roxville | guys, i was holding this, in case thana was gonna use it for 0.5... *sigh* |
| 01:35.13 | Thanatermesis | http://thanatermesis.org/tmp/shots/nada-borrar9.jpg |
| 01:35.56 | roxville | http://71.204.226.14/public_html/misc/thana-bg12-clouds.jpg |
| 01:35.58 | Thanatermesis | http://thanatermesis.org/tmp/shots/nada-borrar4.jpg <--- here not looks the same good :/ |
| 01:36.16 | withoutclass | screen printf |
| 01:36.19 | withoutclass | screw c |
| 01:36.21 | withoutclass | c++ ftw |
| 01:36.43 | dererk | roxville, I didn't even understand what you mean... forget it |
| 01:37.27 | withoutclass | extern dererk; |
| 01:37.32 | withoutclass | there, now everyone knows about u |
| 01:37.47 | dererk | #_# |
| 01:38.19 | withoutclass | lets see |
| 01:38.41 | withoutclass | delete dererk; dererk * x= new dererk; |
| 01:38.47 | withoutclass | now we have an all new dererk |
| 01:39.01 | withoutclass | awww thanks |
| 01:39.14 | withoutclass | xD |
| 01:40.37 | roxville | Thanatermesis, i like that bg... |
| 01:40.50 | withoutclass | zomg so many upgrade |
| 01:40.58 | Thanatermesis | the tech or the night ? lol |
| 01:41.02 | withoutclass | 48 upgrade, 8 new, 1 removed |
| 01:41.02 | roxville | but can't you make the stars little tiny elive logos instead? |
| 01:41.10 | Thanatermesis | lol |
| 01:41.14 | roxville | Thanatermesis, the night one |
| 01:41.22 | withoutclass | is it nice and dark? |
| 01:41.33 | Thanatermesis | i don't really like the logos and emblems...stuff... you know it :) |
| 01:41.44 | roxville | i know :) |
| 01:41.55 | Thanatermesis | is good for a boot, is good for a CD, of course good for a login... |
| 01:42.01 | roxville | i'm here to push your limits :) |
| 01:42.11 | Thanatermesis | but i don't think to its good for a bakcground.. the part of you look all the time when you work |
| 01:42.22 | Thanatermesis | is better look another things to give you another feelings |
| 01:42.27 | Thanatermesis | lol |
| 01:42.33 | withoutclass | like....thongs? |
| 01:42.39 | withoutclass | feelings in your pants? |
| 01:42.40 | Thanatermesis | yeah! thongs :) |
| 01:42.41 | roxville | or halle berry |
| 01:42.43 | withoutclass | xD |
| 01:43.09 | withoutclass | vida |
| 01:43.10 | Thanatermesis | halle berry is a nice background, also with the E symbol... looks nice |
| 01:43.24 | withoutclass | Thanatermesis, what is hotkey to resize windows using mouse + key |
| 01:43.31 | withoutclass | or not possible |
| 01:43.36 | Thanatermesis | withoutclass Alt |
| 01:43.43 | withoutclass | this grabs |
| 01:43.46 | withoutclass | not resize |
| 01:43.52 | Thanatermesis | try the combinations of Alt with all the buttons of your mouse |
| 01:44.01 | Thanatermesis | you have a diferent action for every... |
| 01:44.16 | Thanatermesis | btw... do you have look the new hot-keys to i have added for e16 in the next release ? ;) |
| 01:44.25 | Thanatermesis | now, the windows key's are useful keys :) |
| 01:44.32 | withoutclass | yes |
| 01:44.38 | withoutclass | but, mine dont do anything on e17 |
| 01:44.39 | Thanatermesis | and without the mouse, you can posible to set sizes to your windows :) |
| 01:44.39 | withoutclass | xD |
| 01:44.43 | Thanatermesis | lol |
| 01:44.48 | Thanatermesis | withoutclass alt + middle mouse |
| 01:44.52 | withoutclass | i have been using e17 |
| 01:44.55 | withoutclass | is more minimal |
| 01:45.01 | withoutclass | + faster window dragging |
| 01:45.08 | withoutclass | maybe i will switch again sometime soon |
| 01:45.09 | Thanatermesis | btw... i need also to add a hot-key on e16... alt + esc = "launch exige" |
| 01:45.11 | withoutclass | i like having both |
| 01:45.17 | withoutclass | apt exige |
| 01:45.35 | Thanatermesis | withoutclass do you look e17 switching more fast your DESKTOPS than e16 ? |
| 01:45.43 | withoutclass | si |
| 01:45.55 | Thanatermesis | yeah.. im also... but i have only 16 mb in dual monitor... |
| 01:46.01 | withoutclass | i know |
| 01:46.08 | Thanatermesis | i don't understand why... in my laptop, e16 is VERY fast switching desktops |
| 01:46.17 | withoutclass | someday $600+ matrox card |
| 01:46.21 | Thanatermesis | 360 Mhz + 64 mb of ram and 2 MB of graphic card without acceleration |
| 01:46.38 | Thanatermesis | i don't understand why this... |
| 01:46.51 | Thanatermesis | and this is the only reason to why actually im working on e17 and no on e16 |
| 01:47.09 | withoutclass | same with me |
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| 01:47.43 | *** join/#elive Elive_user (n=Elive_us@user-0cdfmoa.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 01:47.51 | cowboyfeng | Hello all |
| 01:48.15 | cowboyfeng | I gatta question about a display problem in the live CD. |
| 01:48.19 | *** join/#elive gnaunite1 (n=Alex@65-100-176-109.hlrn.qwest.net) |
| 01:48.35 | Thanatermesis | ask cowboyfeng :) |
| 01:48.49 | cowboyfeng | I am running and intel i810 on an ibm and I can't seem to get the system up and running |
| 01:48.50 | gnaunite1 | Can someone allow gnaunite1 into elive-dev? |
| 01:48.55 | Thanatermesis | ooooh |
| 01:48.56 | Thanatermesis | intel |
| 01:49.03 | Thanatermesis | intel not works on any 0.4* release |
| 01:49.09 | gnaunite1 | ... |
| 01:49.09 | cowboyfeng | damn |
| 01:49.13 | Thanatermesis | yep... |
| 01:49.14 | cowboyfeng | no workaround> |
| 01:49.42 | Thanatermesis | but don't worry cowboyfeng, the 0.5 is very soon and has the perfect support for intel cards ;) |
| 01:49.42 | cowboyfeng | how close is the next verion? |
| 01:49.47 | Thanatermesis | this is due because a bug in intel_agp.ko module on the kernel used on the liveCD mode of 0.4* |
| 01:49.57 | Thanatermesis | very close... the tests works perfectly :) |
| 01:50.21 | cowboyfeng | Is there a download? |
| 01:50.33 | Thanatermesis | btw cowboyfeng... you need to download the "developement" version (new section on the Elive site), because is the step before to the "stable" release... |
| 01:51.04 | Thanatermesis | when the developement release are out, then wait's 1 month aproximately and if any bug is found, is fixed and then, release it for "stable" |
| 01:51.16 | cowboyfeng | A friend of mine has been raving about you guys |
| 01:51.26 | cowboyfeng | or elive anyway |
| 01:51.27 | Thanatermesis | no... no download for now.. but i hope downloads for this week aproximately |
| 01:51.33 | Thanatermesis | available* |
| 01:51.51 | cowboyfeng | whats your native language? |
| 01:52.12 | Thanatermesis | dererk, necesitamos realmente un servidor rsync para las isos... e recibido noticia de ibiblio, han metido Elive, pero la 0.4 (¬¬), y como no tengamos rsync, poco se podrá hacer |
| 01:52.17 | Thanatermesis | cowboyfeng spanish |
| 01:52.21 | cowboyfeng | Yep |
| 01:52.49 | cowboyfeng | You construct your sentences like some of my friends from mexico... |
| 01:52.53 | dererk | Poco puedo hacer yo |
| 01:52.55 | Thanatermesis | hehehe |
| 01:53.08 | Thanatermesis | dererk y no hubo noticia de nada de ninguno de ellos ? |
| 01:53.10 | Thanatermesis | pr0t0cod7 ping |
| 01:53.26 | dererk | no se de que "ellos" te refieres |
| 01:54.01 | cowboyfeng | u guys gotta newsletter or somehting? |
| 01:54.23 | dererk | Erss I think |
| 01:54.25 | Thanatermesis | dererk de "las posibles vias" que podriamos tener un rsync... |
| 01:54.41 | dererk | No hay muchas, un servidor y ya thana |
| 01:54.52 | dererk | Crei que ya habiais arreglado ese tema con eshep |
| 01:55.36 | Thanatermesis | dererk se necesita un server como minimo con accesso ftp para mandar las isos o borrarlas, unos 10 gigas libres aproximadamente, y un bandwith de minimo 20 gigas mensuales (por si necesitas saberlo)= |
| 01:56.04 | Thanatermesis | no... a eshep no lo vimos mas y se suponia que iba a reinstalar el sistema, asi que ni idea |
| 01:56.08 | dererk | Pero, y que ha ocurrido con el de eshep? |
| 01:56.32 | dererk | Pufff, yo con 512 kb/s poco puedo hacer |
| 01:56.35 | Thanatermesis | no habia puerto |
| 01:57.55 | Thanatermesis | roxville we REALLY need a rsync server for Elive for the next releases (rsync server of the ISOS where all the mirrors of Elive has the iso upgraded directly), do you remember/know any posible thing for this ? |
| 01:58.26 | dererk | No se habria ofrecido GPLGeek una vez para ello? |
| 01:58.33 | dererk | Creo recordar |
| 01:59.01 | Thanatermesis | pues nose... |
| 01:59.02 | Thanatermesis | GPLGeek ping |
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| 02:00.08 | GPLGeek | ok pong now |
| 02:00.33 | GPLGeek | what do you need |
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| 02:01.11 | GPLGeek | oh, I talked to some hosting companies and most of them wont give me a shell |
| 02:01.12 | dererk | GPLGeek, couldn't we just ping you to ask about your life? |
| 02:01.25 | GPLGeek | at least for a good price |
| 02:02.53 | roxville | Thanatermesis, sorry, no... i have no idea about rsync |
| 02:02.56 | Thanatermesis | sorry... im writing a email in the same time :) |
| 02:03.06 | withoutclass | brb |
| 02:03.11 | withoutclass | just updated tons of stuff |
| 02:04.01 | Thanatermesis | GPLGeek we need REALLY a rsync server for the Elive isos, the actual way of the ISOS and the mirrors is a real ugly caos, is posible to you have offer a rsync server some time ago ? |
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| 02:04.22 | GPLGeek | I did have a server for a while but they shut down |
| 02:04.50 | GPLGeek | My cable connection is not good enough to support a rsync |
| 02:05.09 | Thanatermesis | the aproximately requeriments for this rsync server is a ftp or ssh access for put and delete the isos, around 8-10 GB free of hard disk, and a bandwith minimum of 20 GB mensual |
| 02:05.30 | Thanatermesis | mmmh.. we need really a server for this... |
| 02:06.01 | dererk | Pues, ala, a conseguir un patrocinador |
| 02:06.10 | dererk | Ibm o Intel esta bien? |
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| 02:06.37 | GPLGeek | I have to contact midphase.com and see what their ssh access really means |
| 02:06.41 | Thanatermesis | si... puedes empezar a mandar emails ;) |
| 02:06.44 | GPLGeek | because it has a * |
| 02:06.48 | dererk | O vamos por lo grande... "Micro$oft Server 2003 support this proyect" seria el banner |
| 02:07.17 | Thanatermesis | dererk si no recibo una respuesta satisfactoria... podrias mirar en otras distros que rsync usan (normalmente lo ponen en la misma pagina web) para contactarles a ver si nos lo ofrecen=? |
| 02:07.28 | GPLGeek | 15,000 MB though |
| 02:07.31 | GPLGeek | is that enough |
| 02:08.30 | Thanatermesis | <dererk> O vamos por lo grande... "Micro$oft Server 2003 support this proyect" seria el banner <-------- NEVER !!!!! |
| 02:08.51 | GPLGeek | how much bandwidth would you estimate from the rsync |
| 02:09.00 | dererk | Por lo general el que ofrece el server Rsync es el mismo server que soporta |
| 02:09.08 | Thanatermesis | GPLGeek i think to around 20 gb mensual minimum |
| 02:09.22 | dererk | De todas formas, con lo seguido que se actualiza elive, no creo que se consuma mucho en el Rsync |
| 02:09.42 | dererk | No creo que llegue ni a un cuarto de eso |
| 02:09.52 | dererk | Pero bueno, quizas me equivoque |
| 02:10.09 | Thanatermesis | yo podria hacer de rsync... |
| 02:10.23 | Thanatermesis | pero lo qu eno puedo hacer es uploadear la iso 20 veces para cada mirror cada vez |
| 02:10.38 | Thanatermesis | mas que nada porque eso me cuesta casi mis 50 euros mensuales que pago por el internet este que tengo |
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| 02:12.30 | GPLGeek | im on the phone to a isp right now |
| 02:13.26 | dererk | Ves, te dije que hables con los grantes, thana |
| 02:13.30 | dererk | grandes* |
| 02:13.33 | pycs | hi, will e17 work with touchscreens? |
| 02:14.14 | pycs | i thought, i'd just ask if its possible? |
| 02:14.36 | dererk | I don't know, it's now so common |
| 02:15.13 | pycs | i hope it will, it will be so cool :) |
| 02:17.33 | GPLGeek | how much disk space do we need? Thanatermesis |
| 02:18.47 | Thanatermesis | GPLGeek around 5-10 gb |
| 02:19.05 | Thanatermesis | 5 is sufficient |
| 02:19.42 | Thanatermesis | dererk #define grandes |
| 02:20.09 | Thanatermesis | pycs a touchscreen acts similar to a "mouse" ? |
| 02:20.31 | GPLGeek | I was just offered a free elive mirror and a ssh tunnled rsync |
| 02:20.32 | dererk | No, esos son touchpads |
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| 02:20.36 | Thanatermesis | roxville, is this "last news" good writed ? http://thanatermesis.org/trac/wiki/WikiStart |
| 02:20.38 | GPLGeek | just as long as he does not have to run the daemon |
| 02:20.44 | pycs | so it will work.. in theory.. :) |
| 02:20.56 | GPLGeek | you could script it |
| 02:21.55 | GPLGeek | If I want to buy an account it's going to be around 15$ a month |
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| 02:22.08 | GPLGeek | they also have a linux guy there that knows his stuff |
| 02:22.09 | dererk | Rsync runs ussually as Daemons |
| 02:22.52 | Thanatermesis | GPLGeek maybe i can have a "ssh + rsync" server... if i configure it for ssh... but on this way is more hard of configure for the "clients" |
| 02:23.12 | GPLGeek | ya |
| 02:23.38 | Thanatermesis | then is bad :/ |
| 02:23.51 | GPLGeek | well if we get the 15$ package it has ssh and rsync but they are not sure if a firewall will block it, but probably not. |
| 02:24.07 | GPLGeek | 180$ a year |
| 02:24.15 | Thanatermesis | uh :/ |
| 02:27.11 | Thanatermesis | where is eshep roxville ? |
| 02:27.18 | Thanatermesis | ~seen eshep |
| 02:27.20 | apt | eshep <n=eric@32.236.109.219.ap.yournet.ne.jp> was last seen on IRC in channel #elive, 33d 19h 35m 24s ago, saying: 'yo!'. |
| 02:27.28 | Thanatermesis | one month... |
| 02:28.17 | roxville | yeah... it's scary |
| 02:28.23 | roxville | i hope he is ok |
| 02:28.35 | Thanatermesis | why not ? :) |
| 02:28.56 | roxville | working too much |
| 02:29.23 | Thanatermesis | yeah... but this is not bad :) |
| 02:29.58 | roxville | lol, i have little blinking elive logos on my bg now... they look like fireflies |
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| 02:30.06 | roxville | Thanatermesis, you are right :) |
| 02:30.16 | roxville | i just miss him, i guess |
| 02:30.33 | coagen | argh |
| 02:30.40 | coagen | I cant play dvds |
| 02:30.48 | Thanatermesis | coagen Elive 0.4.2 ? |
| 02:30.59 | coagen | Thanatermesis: yep |
| 02:31.08 | Thanatermesis | coagen what happens with the autolaunchers ? |
| 02:31.21 | coagen | Thanatermesis: I came back to my old fav elive |
| 02:31.25 | Thanatermesis | kernel 2.6.12 running ? |
| 02:31.31 | coagen | no |
| 02:31.35 | coagen | 2.6.11 |
| 02:31.35 | Thanatermesis | ah :) |
| 02:31.38 | Thanatermesis | this is the problem ;) |
| 02:32.04 | coagen | i cant get the 2.6.12 to boot my hard drives on the promise raid/ata133 controller |
| 02:32.19 | Thanatermesis | mmmh... then make the "ugly functional hack" ;) |
| 02:32.24 | Thanatermesis | or... just this: |
| 02:32.37 | Thanatermesis | chown root:cdrom /dev/dvd |
| 02:32.44 | Thanatermesis | and try again |
| 02:33.00 | Thanatermesis | (with root, of course) |
| 02:33.10 | coagen | oh |
| 02:33.32 | coagen | then couldnt i just set the Setuid bit on the file and then users could access right? |
| 02:33.46 | Thanatermesis | yeah |
| 02:33.53 | coagen | like 4766 or whtever it is |
| 02:34.25 | Thanatermesis | the problem is to in 2.6.11 the system don't uses udev, and you need to set manually all the things for the devices on /dev/ (if is not set correctly), but udev set this things correctly with the good permissions, 2.6.11 don't works with udev, 2.6.12 yes |
| 02:34.38 | coagen | heh |
| 02:34.57 | coagen | well if i could get 2.6.12 to work with my promise controller i'd use it |
| 02:34.59 | coagen | :\ |
| 02:35.24 | Thanatermesis | bah... wait 0.5 ;) |
| 02:35.27 | coagen | it gives a drive not ready/ seek error |
| 02:35.55 | coagen | hehe |
| 02:36.09 | coagen | thanks again Thanatermesis! |
| 02:36.23 | coagen | i gotta get to bed |
| 02:36.30 | Thanatermesis | coagen chmod 777 /dev/dvd |
| 02:36.41 | Thanatermesis | with this, needs to work perfeclty |
| 02:36.47 | Thanatermesis | when you wait 0.5 :) |
| 02:36.51 | coagen | hehe |
| 02:36.53 | coagen | ok |
| 02:37.00 | Thanatermesis | still you wait 0.5 :) |
| 02:37.07 | coagen | of course |
| 02:37.15 | roxville | lol |
| 02:37.20 | coagen | i've been using elive since 0.3 man |
| 02:37.25 | coagen | ;) |
| 02:37.28 | coagen | i'll be around |
| 02:37.34 | coagen | anyway |
| 02:37.37 | coagen | time for bed |
| 02:37.41 | coagen | gnite! |
| 02:37.43 | pycs | Thanatermesis, speaking of 0.5, is DSS still included in your plan? |
| 02:37.47 | coagen | and thanks again! |
| 02:38.23 | Thanatermesis | pycs yes, of course, and works pretty good for now :) |
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| 02:38.42 | pycs | yes... good to know.. |
| 02:39.05 | pycs | im reassured :) |
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| 02:44.19 | GPLGeek | We should get sponsored by a company |
| 02:46.21 | GPLGeek | one of those non-controlling types |
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| 02:49.55 | Thanatermesis | not easy... |
| 02:50.33 | roxville | revdjenk, yowza! |
| 02:50.54 | revdjenk | the sweati swede! |
| 02:51.09 | Thanatermesis | yo! |
| 02:51.25 | revdjenk | how's my fave elive ppl |
| 02:51.29 | revdjenk | ? |
| 02:51.56 | roxville | not bad :) |
| 02:52.24 | revdjenk | how's .5 coming along? any good new bg's? any hints, Thanatermesis |
| 02:52.45 | roxville | http://71.204.226.14/public_html/misc/purple-bg-8.jpg |
| 02:53.33 | roxville | http://71.204.226.14/public_html/misc/elive-newbie-bg2.jpg |
| 02:53.55 | revdjenk | my granddtr would love that purple |
| 02:54.10 | roxville | and revdjenk i found the perfect gtk theme for the milky theme |
| 02:54.26 | Thanatermesis | revdjenk is soon, yes, is soon :) the developement version, of course ;) |
| 02:54.36 | revdjenk | ok so soon! |
| 02:55.03 | revdjenk | if you need someone (like a noobie) to try it out....pant pant... |
| 02:55.30 | revdjenk | roxville, where is that |
| 02:56.00 | Thanatermesis | of course, i need testers, for out the stable release fast :) |
| 02:56.07 | Thanatermesis | anyways... looks a very good system ;) |
| 02:56.46 | revdjenk | roxville, says you have a new person, nomad? who is working with you now? |
| 02:57.30 | revdjenk | Thanatermesis, then stop talking and get busy :) |
| 02:57.40 | roxville | revdjenk, nomed has been with us for quite a while |
| 02:57.41 | Thanatermesis | lol |
| 02:57.44 | Thanatermesis | im busy all the time :) |
| 02:57.53 | revdjenk | I know...jejejeje |
| 02:58.31 | roxville | but it's not until now that thana has had a chance to have a closer look at what will be elive 0.5 |
| 02:58.55 | revdjenk | because? |
| 02:59.15 | roxville | the milestone release that will make the ubuntu and suse and red hat and mandriva ppl pee in their beds at night |
| 02:59.33 | revdjenk | I thot they did that now? |
| 02:59.58 | revdjenk | is it from something new in enlightenment as well? |
| 03:00.00 | roxville | ok... maybe they do... but more! |
| 03:01.15 | revdjenk | I read a new review of the latest pre-release of U, and they seemed highly impressed with their improvement on speed, but the reveiwer had 1.5gigs of memory and a 2.8 AMD |
| 03:01.55 | revdjenk | anything would seem fast on that, even xp |
| 03:02.53 | revdjenk | roxville, if this will be a milestone release, why not make it 1.0? |
| 03:03.19 | dererk | The other day I saw astonishing a 3.8 mhz 3 giga ram machine running a very heavy environment based on Gnome |
| 03:03.26 | dererk | It was just... astonishing |
| 03:03.52 | roxville | read this: http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/58629/index.html |
| 03:08.41 | roxville | revdjenk, we gotta let thana work at his own pace... when he's ready 1.0 will be a smash hit... and if 0.5 is as good as we hope... maybe 1.0 will come faster :) |
| 03:09.43 | revdjenk | well, if .5 will be that astonishing maybe dererk will have to find new words to describe it!!! hee hee |
| 03:11.09 | roxville | lol |
| 03:11.10 | revdjenk | I'm almost through with that review... I can only agree with everything so far... I switched to elive because of the beauty and capability... |
| 03:11.28 | roxville | don't worry... dererk ALWAYS seem to find new words |
| 03:12.39 | roxville | and... new emoticons... |
| 03:14.05 | revdjenk | evidently g;>| |
| 03:14.22 | roxville | lol |
| 03:14.49 | revdjenk | maybe q;>} |
| 03:15.59 | roxville | or <:o) |
| 03:17.15 | revdjenk | ~{%> |
| 03:18.23 | revdjenk | ~O> mouse |
| 03:22.06 | roxville | lol |
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| 03:29.48 | Thanatermesis | revdjenk remember me your problem with audio... |
| 03:31.39 | revdjenk | my audio is working right now, it was not working the previous three boots...but worked for two boots before that... and then off for two more...something like that. |
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| 03:34.35 | Elive_user40 | tadaaaan! |
| 03:34.53 | Elive_user40 | this is gorgeous ! :D |
| 03:35.24 | Elive_user40 | Im very happy with 0.5 :D |
| 03:44.02 | roxville | lol |
| 03:44.23 | roxville | Elive_user40, we are so happy for your new-found love :) |
| 03:44.55 | Elive_user40 | yeah.. i really like this release :) |
| 03:45.20 | Elive_user40 | ok, installation finished! time to test the installed system! :) |
| 03:46.57 | revdjenk | did he say .5? |
| 03:47.09 | Thanatermesis | me ? yes :) |
| 03:47.22 | revdjenk | ahhahhaha |
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| 03:50.37 | revdjenk | oh Thanatermesis, I will be sending txt files on my usb mem in the next few days...currently my system will only see one at a time...the first one plugged in gets recognized as sda1, any others are not |
| 03:52.08 | Thanatermesis | what is "see one at a time" ? |
| 03:52.23 | Thanatermesis | mmmh.. i don't good understand |
| 03:53.02 | withoutclass | revdjenk, ...if you plug more than 1 usb storage device/ |
| 04:00.27 | revdjenk | Thanatermesis, if I plug a usb mem, it is recognized as sda1...If I keep that one plugged in and plug in another one, the second is not mounted. Even if I unplug both, and in evidence right click on the sda1 icon and click unmount, sda1 still shows first usb contents |
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| 04:00.59 | Thanatermesis | you umount it correctly ? you umount before to extract ? |
| 04:01.11 | revdjenk | correct |
| 04:01.32 | Thanatermesis | if you re-plug the same, not is accepted ? |
| 04:02.13 | revdjenk | let me try |
| 04:02.43 | withoutclass | uhh...evidence is under devel |
| 04:02.44 | withoutclass | also |
| 04:02.49 | withoutclass | it is mounted as sdb |
| 04:02.55 | withoutclass | and most likely found in /media |
| 04:02.59 | withoutclass | not /mnt |
| 04:03.02 | withoutclass | unlike sda |
| 04:04.38 | withoutclass | rofl |
| 04:04.45 | revdjenk | ahhhhh |
| 04:04.48 | withoutclass | nobel prize for being a lazy ass maybe |
| 04:04.57 | roxville | when you go pick it up, could you take the bus to my sister andjust say hi from me? |
| 04:05.05 | withoutclass | lol |
| 04:05.09 | roxville | and she is an awesome cook |
| 04:05.09 | withoutclass | although |
| 04:05.18 | withoutclass | i dont consider myself lazy, i am energy efficient |
| 04:05.19 | revdjenk | yet, still can't work a simple bash script hee hee |
| 04:05.24 | withoutclass | not simple |
| 04:05.28 | withoutclass | was difficult |
| 04:05.32 | withoutclass | calling other scripts and such |
| 04:05.39 | withoutclass | i got it working though, got help from my TA |
| 04:05.41 | revdjenk | joke!! |
| 04:05.50 | withoutclass | i am struggling with my c++ right now |
| 04:05.50 | revdjenk | great withoutclass !! |
| 04:06.31 | revdjenk | Thanatermesis, withoutclass is correct...in /media...I was looking in /mnt |
| 04:06.43 | Thanatermesis | oh |
| 04:06.46 | withoutclass | sdb default location is /media |
| 04:06.48 | Thanatermesis | yes, the devices are mounted on /media |
| 04:07.15 | withoutclass | not all |
| 04:07.17 | revdjenk | although my windoze partition in in /mnt |
| 04:07.34 | revdjenk | one of these days, it will be gone... |
| 04:07.43 | withoutclass | usually things of this nature go to /mnt, i do not know why the 2nd goes to /media |
| 04:07.44 | withoutclass | but meh |
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| 04:08.37 | revdjenk | they are sdb1 and sdc1 and are showing correct files |
| 04:08.48 | roxville | Elive_user46, where the hell have you been? |
| 04:09.02 | roxville | oh fu...dge |
| 04:09.20 | roxville | that was steve myers |
| 04:10.38 | roxville | withoutclass, my sister can also give you absolution... for looking too much at swedish girls while you're there :) |
| 04:10.52 | withoutclass | xD |
| 04:11.00 | roxville | since she recently became a minister |
| 04:11.21 | roxville | ok, se can't give absolution... wrong church... but it sounded cool :) |
| 04:11.22 | withoutclass | what sect of christianity |
| 04:11.52 | roxville | lutheran... swedish state church... protestant |
| 04:13.46 | revdjenk | thanx withoutclass for your illucidating wisdom! |
| 04:13.58 | withoutclass | excellant |
| 04:13.59 | withoutclass | im in |
| 04:14.10 | revdjenk | nobel here you go! |
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| 04:15.04 | revdjenk | hey roxville, is she married? maybe you can suggest a certain elive guy for her? |
| 04:15.21 | revdjenk | while withoutclass is there, I mean? |
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| 04:16.10 | revdjenk | I already have a female minister as a wife! |
| 04:16.19 | roxville | lol |
| 04:17.02 | roxville | yes, she's married... and she just turned 37... i think withoutclass may be looking for someone a little younger |
| 04:17.05 | roxville | :) |
| 04:17.13 | revdjenk | you never know |
| 04:17.34 | withoutclass | i have a lady =p |
| 04:17.48 | withoutclass | almost 2 yrs |
| 04:17.51 | revdjenk | LOL |
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| 04:18.01 | withoutclass | :( |
| 04:18.04 | revdjenk | the sheep will safely graze |
| 04:18.30 | revdjenk | I was reacting to dererk, withoutclass !! |
| 04:18.36 | withoutclass | oh |
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| 04:19.03 | revdjenk | 2 yrs is almost as long as some marriages! |
| 04:19.09 | revdjenk | hola mutacion |
| 04:19.31 | withoutclass | yea |
| 04:19.36 | withoutclass | i am happy |
| 04:19.46 | revdjenk | is she using elive? |
| 04:19.48 | withoutclass | i have one of those girls that will easily turn into a good wife |
| 04:19.49 | withoutclass | naw |
| 04:19.53 | withoutclass | she is ubuntu at the moment |
| 04:19.55 | withoutclass | xD |
| 04:20.06 | revdjenk | no prob...elive is the next move.. |
| 04:20.15 | withoutclass | only cuz it would be easiest, and my school has crayz restrictions on internet |
| 04:20.33 | revdjenk | is it because of DRM? |
| 04:21.08 | withoutclass | naw |
| 04:21.08 | roxville | <withoutclass> almost 2 yrs <-- a little young, don't you think? |
| 04:21.14 | withoutclass | just viruses etc |
| 04:21.16 | revdjenk | lol |
| 04:21.18 | withoutclass | not married |
| 04:21.26 | revdjenk | he meant age... |
| 04:21.29 | withoutclass | they enforce cisco clean access and mcaffee |
| 04:21.30 | withoutclass | i know |
| 04:21.47 | withoutclass | and its real easy to somehow botch the updating/installing processes |
| 04:21.49 | withoutclass | its a b |
| 04:21.57 | revdjenk | itch |
| 04:22.28 | withoutclass | yea i guess its a lil young to have such a steady gf? |
| 04:22.35 | withoutclass | it doesnt bother me though |
| 04:22.51 | revdjenk | you mean they expect you to be running mcaffee, etc just to sign on? how do you do that with elive? or are you windoze at school |
| 04:23.00 | withoutclass | naw man |
| 04:23.02 | withoutclass | with linux |
| 04:23.17 | withoutclass | u log in via http, they supposedly scan for network vulns, and then ur on |
| 04:23.19 | withoutclass | so simple |
| 04:23.19 | withoutclass | lol |
| 04:23.31 | withoutclass | this is why she is linux |
| 04:23.35 | revdjenk | gotcha we should be clean |
| 04:23.42 | revdjenk | with elive |
| 04:23.49 | withoutclass | pretty much anything linux is |
| 04:24.08 | withoutclass | they just nazi windows because people are stupid and dont understand how to take care of their windoze |
| 04:24.10 | revdjenk | another minister friend has switched to linux for that reason. |
| 04:24.16 | withoutclass | so the network gets rockedo n |
| 04:24.17 | withoutclass | on* |
| 04:25.05 | revdjenk | yep...and it looks like vista may have been delayed for that kind of problem |
| 04:25.26 | withoutclass | i like the vista videos on google videos |
| 04:25.42 | withoutclass | guy talking about vista, and the video is someone doing the exact same things on mac osx |
| 04:25.42 | revdjenk | you've seen sun's looking glass? |
| 04:26.07 | revdjenk | seems similar, too |
| 04:26.14 | revdjenk | hee hee |
| 04:26.28 | revdjenk | I'll have to scope that out |
| 04:27.17 | revdjenk | wow, look at the time...and I have to be at a hospital by 6am tomorrow... |
| 04:27.32 | revdjenk | I'll say g'nite all |
| 04:28.45 | roxville | g'nite rev... |
| 04:29.40 | withoutclass | well |
| 04:29.47 | withoutclass | glad to hear others are lutheran :P |
| 04:31.47 | roxville | :D |
| 04:31.47 | Mutacion | qiubole rox |
| 04:31.50 | Mutacion | qiubole withoutclass |
| 04:32.03 | roxville | hey Mutacion :) |
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| 04:33.42 | withoutclass | hola Mutacion |
| 04:42.20 | roxville | withoutclass, have you seen the movie "little big man"? |
| 04:42.28 | withoutclass | dont think so |
| 04:42.32 | roxville | with dustin hoffman |
| 04:42.37 | withoutclass | naw |
| 04:42.45 | roxville | it's a wonderful flick |
| 04:43.01 | roxville | VERY good movie |
| 04:46.51 | Thanatermesis | withoutclass ping |
| 04:46.56 | withoutclass | pong |
| 04:47.27 | Thanatermesis | i have writed a little thing on the Elive documentation site... can you posible to correct it ? |
| 04:47.40 | Thanatermesis | or make it better/understandeable ? :) |
| 04:48.08 | withoutclass | si |
| 04:48.12 | withoutclass | link |
| 04:48.16 | Thanatermesis | is the last line on the FAQ |
| 04:48.17 | withoutclass | plz ;) |
| 04:48.27 | withoutclass | i am sleepy |
| 04:48.34 | withoutclass | program is not working though it should |
| 04:50.33 | Thanatermesis | apt x en es program is not working though it should |
| 04:51.16 | withoutclass | its ok |
| 04:51.21 | withoutclass | i am coding c++ homework |
| 04:51.47 | Thanatermesis | use the EFL's + C ;) |
| 04:51.55 | withoutclass | :P |
| 04:51.59 | Thanatermesis | :) |
| 04:52.00 | withoutclass | what is this? |
| 04:52.05 | Thanatermesis | EFL ? |
| 04:52.06 | Thanatermesis | apt efl |
| 04:52.07 | apt | extra, extra, read all about it, efl is the Enlightenment Foundation Libraries. See http://enlightenment.org/index.php?id=18 The core libraries of the EFL are: Evas, Imlib2, Ecore, EDB, EET, Embryo, Edje, Esmart, Etox, and EWL. |
| 04:52.08 | withoutclass | no |
| 04:52.13 | withoutclass | EFL + C |
| 04:52.21 | withoutclass | oryou mean to code edje for you xD |
| 04:52.22 | Thanatermesis | C... no C++ |
| 04:52.33 | Thanatermesis | nah, i like ot code edje :) |
| 04:52.40 | withoutclass | i do not know c too well |
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| 04:57.57 | withoutclass | Thanatermesis, fixed |
| 04:58.04 | Thanatermesis | thx :)( |
| 04:58.09 | withoutclass | of course |
| 04:59.59 | Thanatermesis | oh.. oxine.. it needs a new build i think :) |
| 05:00.39 | Thanatermesis | oh yes... very files updated :) |
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| 05:18.34 | Thanatermesis | if anybody like's to tests a new version of oxine, tomorrow enter on "tests" branch |
| 05:27.19 | wasynyt | good morning everyone |
| 05:33.43 | Thanatermesis | good morning wasynyt |
| 05:34.10 | wasynyt | :) |
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| 05:39.52 | wasynyt | Thanatermesis, reliese of testeng iso is nearing.. ? |
| 05:41.14 | Thanatermesis | very close, yes :) |
| 05:41.20 | Thanatermesis | im finishing little things ;) |
| 05:41.33 | Thanatermesis | but not on the official site for now... just on the Trac site first |
| 05:42.01 | wasynyt | k |
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| 05:56.32 | wasynyt | tis been awhile but im going to boot up my elive install.. and update it... lets see what happens |
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| 06:01.22 | wasynyt_ | W: Bizarre Error - File size is not what the server reported 189 191 |
| 06:01.31 | wasynyt_ | ? :S |
| 06:01.35 | Thanatermesis | apt-get update |
| 06:01.44 | wasynyt_ | it reported that for it |
| 06:01.52 | Thanatermesis | yes, i know, make it again |
| 06:02.00 | wasynyt_ | roger that |
| 06:02.07 | wasynyt_ | no errors this time |
| 06:02.23 | wasynyt_ | mb updates |
| 06:02.39 | wasynyt_ | 343 files |
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| 06:04.18 | wasynyt_ | good morning |
| 06:04.39 | GPLGeek | Just got done playing BF2 got another badge for my knife fighting skills lol |
| 06:04.52 | wasynyt_ | :D |
| 06:04.54 | GPLGeek | I went around a whole round and killed only using my knife |
| 06:05.01 | GPLGeek | and I still was doing better than most other people |
| 06:05.10 | GPLGeek | except one guy in a jet and two guys in a chopper |
| 06:05.15 | wasynyt_ | just updating elive.. 343 packages |
| 06:05.20 | wasynyt_ | nice |
| 06:05.25 | wasynyt_ | you owned them |
| 06:05.55 | GPLGeek | lol... I took out a whole squad with a knife. 6 people. and then I did it again lol |
| 06:05.58 | GPLGeek | I wish I had a video |
| 06:06.02 | wasynyt_ | :D |
| 06:06.11 | wasynyt_ | i am sure they liked it too |
| 06:06.22 | GPLGeek | they were pissed |
| 06:06.26 | wasynyt_ | :D |
| 06:06.36 | wasynyt_ | lame xzeeter |
| 06:06.40 | GPLGeek | they had shotguns, machine guns, etc |
| 06:06.50 | wasynyt_ | :D |
| 06:07.11 | wasynyt_ | how many hits from knife needed to kill |
| 06:07.18 | GPLGeek | one good hit |
| 06:07.22 | wasynyt_ | :D |
| 06:07.27 | GPLGeek | if you hit the wrong place it just clanks and does no dammage |
| 06:07.37 | GPLGeek | and also the hit boxes on knives are messed up so its hard to knife |
| 06:07.53 | wasynyt_ | hit box ? |
| 06:09.11 | GPLGeek | I'll assume you know nothing of video game programming and just say the knife was broken =) |
| 06:09.24 | GPLGeek | you could hit somone but it would not hurt them because of a bug |
| 06:09.31 | wasynyt_ | :/ |
| 06:09.56 | wasynyt_ | i know that everything in games is made from boxes.. |
| 06:10.05 | wasynyt_ | or triangles |
| 06:10.23 | GPLGeek | I need to do 26 more knife kills and then I will have enough total kills to try to get a 18 kill in a round streak |
| 06:10.36 | wasynyt_ | :D |
| 06:10.43 | GPLGeek | and then I'll have my expert badge |
| 06:12.09 | wasynyt_ | :) |
| 06:12.47 | withoutclass | night guys |
| 06:12.53 | withoutclass | sleepy time |
| 06:12.54 | wasynyt_ | good night |
| 06:13.00 | Thanatermesis | good night withoutclass |
| 06:13.53 | GPLGeek | night withoutclass |
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| 06:34.10 | forzaken | holas |
| 06:34.18 | wasynyt_ | good morning |
| 06:34.49 | forzaken | alguien a conseguido configurar bien internet en elive |
| 06:34.58 | wasynyt_ | ? |
| 06:35.07 | forzaken | problemas con emule |
| 06:35.15 | wasynyt_ | apt x es en alguien a conseguido configurar bien internet en elive |
| 06:35.20 | forzaken | me dice que acepta conecciones salientes |
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| 06:35.45 | wasynyt_ | apt x es en me dice que acepta conecciones salientes |
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| 06:36.28 | wasynyt_ | i have working internet configuration.. |
| 06:37.05 | forzaken | creo que es un problema dse permisos |
| 06:37.13 | forzaken | aunque no estoy seguro |
| 06:37.34 | wasynyt_ | apt x es en creo que es un problema dse permisos aunque no estoy seguro |
| 06:39.23 | wasynyt_ | are able to connect to the internet from you r elive install |
| 06:39.33 | wasynyt_ | *are you |
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| 06:51.37 | wasynyt_ | E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (2) on libimlib2-dev |
| 06:52.10 | wasynyt_ | i am using synaptic to update |
| 07:03.08 | Thanatermesis | o_O |
| 07:03.15 | wasynyt_ | yah |
| 07:03.25 | Thanatermesis | apt-get -f install |
| 07:03.25 | wasynyt_ | apt-get upgrade seems to work thou |
| 07:04.32 | Thanatermesis | apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 07:04.52 | wasynyt_ | i think that synatpic uses apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 07:05.11 | wasynyt_ | updating almost 300 packages takes awhile |
| 07:06.54 | wasynyt_ | reboot -> |
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| 07:15.45 | wasynyt | the update broke my wlan config :( something like "linux-wlan-ng.." not being updated |
| 07:16.52 | Thanatermesis | mmmh, reinstall the pcakge then :) |
| 07:18.01 | wasynyt | nope.. no more intress on that machine at the moment... i stay on my opinion that elive 0.4.2 is not ready for me |
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| 07:30.15 | Thanatermesis | lol |
| 07:31.33 | wasynyt | :D |
| 07:35.29 | Thanatermesis | http://wiki.elivecd.org/index.php/Xorg_Composite |
| 07:36.42 | wasynyt | nice |
| 07:37.50 | wasynyt | my system will not slow down because of that... but i just dont like to hassle with ndiswrapper |
| 07:38.04 | wasynyt | nvidia 6800 ultra |
| 07:38.05 | wasynyt | :D |
| 07:39.42 | Thanatermesis | ndiswrapper is for the losers or the ppl to not has drivers for linux :) |
| 07:40.00 | wasynyt | i know... that damned buffalo wlan |
| 07:40.29 | wasynyt | if that machine would be mine i would buy another card |
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| 07:43.23 | wasynyt | my next os is going to be opensuse 10.1.. and i will install xen on it :D |
| 07:44.22 | Thanatermesis | what about elive 0.5 ? sounds a good system :) |
| 07:45.09 | wasynyt | i will try it on that xen install... if its better i will install it |
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| 07:45.48 | wasynyt | ;D |
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| 07:48.58 | Nenillo | hola |
| 07:49.19 | wasynyt | good morning |
| 07:51.50 | wasynyt | tim efor me to get going... see you later |
| 07:57.24 | Thanatermesis | buenas Nenillo |
| 08:04.14 | Nenillo | matutinos |
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| 08:12.52 | Thanatermesis | mas bien diria yo noctambulos xD |
| 08:15.33 | Nenillo | xD |
| 08:26.06 | Zyk0tiK|Sleep | bonjour |
| 08:28.00 | Thanatermesis | bonjour Zyk0tiK|Sleep |
| 08:28.16 | Zyk0tiK|Sleep | hey ;0 |
| 08:29.57 | Zyk0tiK|Sleep | man don't you just hate mornings... |
| 08:31.26 | Zyk0tiK|Sleep | Oh hey, Thanatermesis, quick question, You may know the answer... In Javascript if i'm using a Switch statement, how do I do a "case <20"? |
| 08:33.11 | Thanatermesis | sorry... i don't know java* |
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| 08:35.02 | Zyk0tiK|Sleep | ok no worries :) |
| 08:35.52 | Zyk0tiK|Sleep | it's not a big problem, I just didn't wanna use If statements in my script, don't like Ifs |
| 08:39.45 | Zyk0tiK|Sleep | ok i gotta go to work |
| 08:39.45 | Zyk0tiK|Sleep | see ya |
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| 14:08.45 | roxville | looks like we're getting some new elive users :) |
| 14:14.38 | wasynyt | good afternoon everyone |
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| 14:18.19 | roxville | hey wasynyt |
| 14:18.26 | roxville | hello Elive_user93 |
| 14:18.33 | roxville | welcome to #elive :) |
| 14:18.48 | wasynyt | :) |
| 14:20.59 | wasynyt | .( |
| 14:21.01 | wasynyt | :( |
| 14:24.54 | gnaunited | >:o |
| 14:26.10 | wasynyt | -_o |
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| 14:31.30 | gnaunited | Are most of these people entering because that is where xchat takes you when it starts up? |
| 14:32.31 | wasynyt | i think so |
| 14:32.39 | roxville | yes |
| 14:33.08 | roxville | i did it the first time too! i had been to linux chats before... i didn't wanna get insulted! |
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| 14:33.49 | wasynyt | :/ |
| 14:33.54 | Elive_user42 | wonderful interface. |
| 14:34.01 | wasynyt | :D |
| 14:34.05 | roxville | hello Elive_user42 :) |
| 14:34.19 | wasynyt | good afternoon Elive_user42 |
| 14:35.16 | roxville | Elive_user42, if you want to slip into something more comfortable, do so with: /nick newnick |
| 14:35.48 | roxville | lol |
| 14:35.54 | roxville | yes, this is IRC |
| 14:36.10 | wasynyt | :D |
| 14:36.16 | Marble68 | :) Thought so when it told me to use /nick |
| 14:36.31 | roxville | hehe |
| 14:36.42 | Marble68 | I'm liking this interface, mac-ish.. |
| 14:37.37 | wasynyt | :) |
| 14:37.52 | Marble68 | emoticon bot.. <wink> |
| 14:37.59 | roxville | well... welcome to #elive... you can hang your jacket in the corner, the vending machie is in the corner threre (roxville points) and we also have a coffee bar, it's over there (roxville points again) we got the best espresso on IRC! |
| 14:38.17 | roxville | :PPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP |
| 14:38.47 | roxville | wasynyt, i guess i should really cut down on my typing, eh?... it just ain't worth it... |
| 14:39.04 | wasynyt | dunnp |
| 14:39.09 | wasynyt | *dunno |
| 14:39.45 | wasynyt | these people are just trying elive |
| 14:40.12 | roxville | so... i try to make them feel welcome |
| 14:40.20 | wasynyt | :D |
| 14:40.29 | roxville | you ever been to #ubuntu? |
| 14:40.43 | wasynyt | first time experience is most important |
| 14:40.43 | roxville | go there and see if someone welcomes you there |
| 14:40.48 | wasynyt | nope |
| 14:41.01 | wasynyt | i dont want to.. ubuntu looks too ugly |
| 14:41.22 | roxville | :D |
| 14:41.42 | wasynyt | i tried it for awhile ago.... i wont do that again |
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| 14:42.02 | roxville | wasynyt, did you read this? http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/58629/index.html |
| 14:42.08 | roxville | hello Elive_user86 :) |
| 14:42.14 | roxville | welcome to #elive |
| 14:42.44 | roxville | wasynyt, looks like we're gonna get a few of them today :) |
| 14:43.00 | roxville | could be because of that article |
| 14:43.34 | wasynyt | could be.. looks like nice article |
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| 14:50.16 | roxville | hello Elive_user84 |
| 14:50.35 | Elive_user84 | hello |
| 14:50.47 | wasynyt | http://lxer.com/module/forums/t/22441/ wtf.. this guy does not have a clue |
| 14:50.55 | roxville | welcome to #elive :) |
| 14:50.57 | wasynyt | Elive_user84, gretings :D |
| 14:51.03 | wasynyt | *greetings |
| 14:51.10 | Elive_user84 | hello how r yous |
| 14:51.29 | wasynyt | extremely good |
| 14:51.36 | roxville | :) |
| 14:51.39 | Elive_user84 | :-) |
| 14:51.58 | wasynyt | :D |
| 14:52.00 | roxville | first time trying elive? |
| 14:52.26 | Elive_user84 | yep, just wondering if there is a way to install this whilst having windows xp still on |
| 14:52.40 | wasynyt | yes there is |
| 14:52.52 | withoutclass | unfortunately lol |
| 14:52.55 | Elive_user84 | whilst not loosing my existing installation of windows? |
| 14:53.01 | withoutclass | yes |
| 14:53.09 | Elive_user84 | ok |
| 14:53.22 | wasynyt | first you need to defrag your windows partion.. then repartion it with elives partion manager and then install elive |
| 14:53.44 | Elive_user84 | cool, but i aint risking it |
| 14:53.53 | wasynyt | you need at least 10 gb for working installation |
| 14:54.02 | wasynyt | Elive_user84, your choice |
| 14:54.06 | Elive_user84 | does anyone know if there is an elive ppc version? |
| 14:54.14 | wasynyt | not at the moment |
| 14:54.24 | Elive_user84 | o dear |
| 14:54.50 | wasynyt | donate mac to Thanatermesis (main dev) and then we will have it |
| 14:54.58 | wasynyt | :) |
| 14:55.52 | roxville | wasynyt, you could always send him some of your outdated nokia phones, and maybe he'll make a e-nokia version :) |
| 14:55.58 | Nenillo | donate to me |
| 14:56.00 | wasynyt | :D |
| 14:56.02 | Nenillo | I could do it! |
| 14:56.17 | wasynyt | i have one nokia 5510 lying around... |
| 14:56.20 | wasynyt | :D |
| 14:56.39 | wasynyt | first mp3 playing phone ! |
| 14:57.17 | roxville | i used to have the one they used in "the matrix" ..i777 or something... best cell phone i've ever had |
| 14:57.27 | wasynyt | :) |
| 14:59.29 | Elive_user84 | so are all you guys using elive? |
| 14:59.55 | wasynyt | nope |
| 15:00.04 | Elive_user84 | ok |
| 15:00.04 | wasynyt | i am waitong for next release |
| 15:00.18 | Elive_user84 | whats expected in the nest release? |
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| 15:00.55 | roxville | an even more stable system, better hardware support... |
| 15:01.09 | Elive_user84 | cool |
| 15:01.19 | roxville | an overall cleaner debian system |
| 15:01.33 | wasynyt | :D |
| 15:01.48 | roxville | and.. Thanatermesis likes to surprise us with little tweaks... he seems to never run out of ideas :) |
| 15:02.01 | Elive_user84 | :-) |
| 15:02.02 | wasynyt | http://www.nokia.co.uk/nokia/0,,18168,00.html this is the one |
| 15:02.27 | roxville | Elive_user84, the control panel is his work... the folder with the tools in your launcher bar |
| 15:02.34 | roxville | that's the first version |
| 15:02.59 | Elive_user84 | oooo |
| 15:03.22 | roxville | wasynyt, sweet! |
| 15:03.50 | wasynyt | :D |
| 15:04.11 | wasynyt | and that thing is old |
| 15:04.29 | wasynyt | from time when there were no colorscreens |
| 15:06.11 | roxville | http://www.dn.se/ wasynyt scroll down to where it says Nokia something... the pic looks like something from the movie "1984" :) |
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| 15:07.51 | wasynyt | jag tänker at de är inte specialt |
| 15:08.20 | Marble68 | Quick question: New to elive... Sound issues. Recommendations? |
| 15:08.34 | wasynyt | apt elpanel |
| 15:08.36 | apt | rumour has it, elpanel is the powered center of control of Elive, where all the answers of your questions are, your heart is prepaired for discover all features ? ;) |
| 15:09.05 | Marble68 | duh.... |
| 15:09.12 | wasynyt | :D |
| 15:09.29 | Marble68 | apt alsa |
| 15:09.30 | apt | from memory, alsa is the Advanced Linux Sound Architecture, or at http://www.alsa-project.org/, or available only for Linux (if you intend your code to be portable, ask me about OSS) |
| 15:10.00 | wasynyt | what kind of sound issue you have |
| 15:10.22 | Marble68 | no sound (as usual) digging.. 1s |
| 15:10.58 | wasynyt | elpanel - root settings/admin settings (cant remember) - sound setup |
| 15:11.13 | roxville | <wasynyt> jag tänker at de är inte specialt <-- whoa, look at that :) swedish! good job, kaveri! |
| 15:11.40 | wasynyt | kyllähän suomalainen aina vähän ruotsia osaa |
| 15:11.54 | roxville | niin |
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| 15:12.49 | wasynyt | its so funny when people say that someone can speak two or three languges and they seem to bee impressed |
| 15:13.21 | roxville | yes, i know... |
| 15:13.25 | Marble68 | Sound now playing on internal speaker.. still diggings.. thanks wasynyt |
| 15:13.42 | wasynyt | your welcome |
| 15:14.01 | Marble68 | Got it! w00t |
| 15:14.14 | roxville | Marble68, then use alsa mixer to unmute the speakers... sounds like that is what's wrong |
| 15:14.20 | Marble68 | nice.. first distro to detect sound on this compaq HP D220 |
| 15:14.24 | roxville | oh... cool! |
| 15:14.37 | roxville | yay! |
| 15:14.42 | wasynyt | is that a laptop |
| 15:15.18 | Marble68 | no, it's a mini tower, but it's one we have a lot of in the corp office. :) |
| 15:15.37 | wasynyt | ahh.. :D |
| 15:16.48 | wasynyt | well it has ac 97... and that is well supported by linux |
| 15:17.43 | wasynyt | seems odd that it is hard to get working (forgot it is compaq) |
| 15:17.46 | Marble68 | FOr some reason, we've not a distro detect and use the sound on this box correctly. |
| 15:17.55 | Marble68 | but it is an HP.. :P |
| 15:17.59 | wasynyt | :D |
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| 15:22.11 | roxville | lol wasynyt no, you're doing good! |
| 15:23.04 | roxville | hello Elive_user |
| 15:23.14 | roxville | welcome to #elive |
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| 15:33.04 | roxville | hello Elive_user68 |
| 15:33.11 | roxville | welcome to #elive :) |
| 15:33.19 | Elive_user68 | hello roxville |
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| 15:33.40 | Elive_user68 | i just decided to check out the e17 live cd |
| 15:34.10 | roxville | good choice! i haven't been able to get off it since i tried it :) |
| 15:35.18 | roxville | it is not really a live cd that showcases e17 and e16, but a full-fledged distro with them as wm/dm |
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| 15:36.22 | roxville | hello Elive_user42... and bye :) hope you come back! |
| 15:40.10 | roxville | Elive_user68, any questions so far? |
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| 15:40.44 | Elive_user68 | no, still looking around |
| 15:41.05 | Elive_user | afternoon all |
| 15:41.19 | Elive_user68 | hello Elive_user |
| 15:41.27 | roxville | lol |
| 15:41.30 | Elive_user68 | :D |
| 15:41.37 | Tuxgroupie | well i went and did it |
| 15:41.53 | roxville | Tuxgroupie, thx for changing your nick... it's hard to keep track of all the elive_users :) |
| 15:42.07 | Tuxgroupie | suse 10 oss deleted elive installed |
| 15:42.34 | roxville | Elive_user68, you can do it easily too ... /nick newnick |
| 15:42.34 | Tuxgroupie | np roxville |
| 15:42.43 | Elive_user68 | yes i know |
| 15:42.57 | Tuxgroupie | how can i make it permanant |
| 15:43.01 | Elive_user68 | hummm, what do i enter for "newnick"... |
| 15:43.11 | roxville | your new nick |
| 15:43.18 | roxville | maybe? |
| 15:43.27 | Elive_user68 | lol, but which one |
| 15:43.30 | Elive_user68 | :) |
| 15:43.35 | roxville | i dunno... hmmm... |
| 15:43.40 | roxville | where are you from? |
| 15:43.44 | Elive_user68 | germany |
| 15:44.00 | roxville | ok.. dastux? |
| 15:44.02 | roxville | :) |
| 15:44.26 | Tuxgroupie | lol |
| 15:44.40 | roxville | lol... i wasn't gonna suggest that :) |
| 15:44.50 | FritzTux | hehe |
| 15:45.00 | Tuxgroupie | good to see a sense of humour |
| 15:45.07 | roxville | Tuxgroupie, in xchat->server list |
| 15:45.18 | FritzTux | even if it's bad and tasteless humor |
| 15:45.23 | FritzTux | muahahaha |
| 15:45.49 | roxville | Tuxgroupie, and FritzTux this is a good linux channel for humor... sometimes too much... but it's a very friendly channel |
| 15:46.12 | Tuxgroupie | one persons bad and tasteless humour is another ones niche |
| 15:46.17 | roxville | and multilingual... so if you have a countryman... feel free to speak your native tongue :) |
| 15:47.18 | roxville | ich kann doch nicht deutsch sprechen... nur ein bisschen... minimal |
| 15:47.32 | roxville | Tuxgroupie, where are you from? |
| 15:47.38 | Tuxgroupie | london |
| 15:47.47 | Tuxgroupie | yourself? |
| 15:48.03 | roxville | london.... hmmm... i've heard of it... where is that? |
| 15:49.10 | roxville | ok, i've been there :) |
| 15:49.14 | Tuxgroupie | south of scotland north of the Isle of Wight |
| 15:49.45 | roxville | i'm from sweden, originally, but live now in the south... charleston, south carolina... on the u.s. east coast |
| 15:50.08 | Tuxgroupie | sweet |
| 15:50.38 | roxville | it's ok... as long as it doesn't get too darn hot... which it does... very soon |
| 15:50.41 | roxville | :) |
| 15:50.55 | Tuxgroupie | missing the snow blizzards then |
| 15:51.05 | roxville | it's pretty cool to live in a place where you can complain about the heat! |
| 15:51.42 | Tuxgroupie | how can i make my nickname permanat |
| 15:51.42 | roxville | yes, i did miss some snow this winter... rarely anything here atthe coast |
| 15:52.04 | roxville | Tuxgroupie, i told you... in xchat->server list |
| 15:52.34 | Tuxgroupie | done thx |
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| 15:53.09 | roxville | and... if you highlight freenode and click on edit, you can also choose what channels to join at startup |
| 15:53.21 | roxville | hello Elive_user10 |
| 15:53.36 | roxville | wow, a lot of new ppl today |
| 15:53.52 | roxville | Tuxgroupie, and FritzTux where did you find out about elive? |
| 15:54.30 | FritzTux | a friend of mine told me about it, and showed me some screenshots and videos |
| 15:54.39 | Tuxgroupie | playing around with various wm's |
| 15:54.55 | Tuxgroupie | and i liked enlightenment |
| 15:55.15 | FritzTux | i used enlightenment 2 years ago or so |
| 15:55.19 | Tuxgroupie | but the distros i had been playing with suse and ubuntu |
| 15:55.52 | Tuxgroupie | bog standard gnome or kde |
| 15:56.18 | FritzTux | you can install enlightenment (0.16) on ubuntu at least |
| 15:57.24 | Tuxgroupie | i know and i could have stuck with it |
| 15:58.19 | Tuxgroupie | in the end i trawled through osdir at all the linux distros |
| 15:58.27 | roxville | :) |
| 15:59.01 | roxville | i tried both e16 and e17 on ubuntu... i could just never set them up properly... so elive was a god send for me |
| 15:59.07 | Tuxgroupie | i have been using linux for about 4 years |
| 15:59.24 | Tuxgroupie | same here |
| 16:00.12 | Tuxgroupie | now i have config elive with carbon theme |
| 16:01.01 | Tuxgroupie | will be going offline soon gtg to work |
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| 16:02.25 | Tuxgroupie | last night was my first time using xchat in 4 yrs |
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| 16:03.08 | roxville | lol |
| 16:03.43 | roxville | was the same for me... or irc... i've been a linux user for just under two years |
| 16:03.48 | Elive_user | ls -al |
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| 16:04.15 | roxville | anyway Tuxgroupie thx for trying elive... hope you will enjoy it as much as we do :) |
| 16:04.28 | roxville | hi LinuxNIT |
| 16:04.38 | LinuxNIT1 | hi roxville |
| 16:04.59 | roxville | better grease up yer index fingers... there's a LOT of new users coming in today |
| 16:05.21 | Tuxgroupie | no worries its on here for good |
| 16:05.26 | LinuxNIT1 | and im in a webased irc client |
| 16:06.21 | LinuxNIT1 | so what brought all the new users? |
| 16:06.34 | LinuxNIT1 | some update come out while i was gone? |
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| 16:06.43 | Tuxgroupie | im off 2 work now cya l8r |
| 16:06.50 | LinuxNIT1 | later |
| 16:07.10 | roxville | no... i'm not sure... there was the interview with thana on LXer yesterday |
| 16:07.37 | roxville | http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/58629/index.html |
| 16:08.24 | LinuxNIT1 | omg webbased irc sucks |
| 16:08.29 | LinuxNIT1 | i cant click on the link |
| 16:08.32 | LinuxNIT1 | lol |
| 16:09.48 | roxville | lol |
| 16:10.15 | roxville | FritzTux, any questions yet? |
| 16:10.45 | LinuxNIT1 | no tab complete either ;) |
| 16:11.14 | FritzTux | not really.... oh, i can't seem to get the nvidia driver to work, anybody else have problems with it (on the livecd) |
| 16:11.36 | FritzTux | right, can't click the link either |
| 16:11.52 | FritzTux | but i'm in xchat... huh? |
| 16:12.39 | LinuxNIT1 | heck i cant even highlight the text lol |
| 16:13.14 | LinuxNIT1 | gettin xchat :> |
| 16:13.23 | roxville | lol FritzTux yes you are in xchat... LinuxNIT is NOT |
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| 16:13.31 | LinuxNIT1 | fritztux so nvida is not working? |
| 16:13.49 | roxville | hello Elive_user83 :) |
| 16:13.54 | roxville | welcome to #elive |
| 16:13.58 | FritzTux | it works fine in my hdd-installed system |
| 16:14.04 | FritzTux | (ubuntu) |
| 16:14.48 | roxville | apt, nvidia |
| 16:14.50 | apt | i guess nvidia is proprietary? no dri? |
| 16:14.50 | LinuxNIT1 | have you installed elive or running live? |
| 16:15.08 | roxville | hmmm... not very informative |
| 16:15.18 | roxville | he's running the cd |
| 16:15.23 | roxville | i believe |
| 16:16.02 | FritzTux | yes |
| 16:16.13 | FritzTux | i run the livecd |
| 16:17.32 | *** join/#elive LinuxNIT-uhoh (n=Owner@ip-129-15-127-253.fennfwsm.ou.edu) |
| 16:17.33 | LinuxNIT1 | id say check the xorg.conf file to make sure it is loading and using nvidia |
| 16:17.45 | LinuxNIT1 | alright screw this webbased stuff |
| 16:17.53 | roxville | did you try both the new and the old drivers? |
| 16:18.32 | FritzTux | yes, first the new, then the old, the screen turns black and the system gets stuck |
| 16:19.15 | LinuxNIT | roxville, can i have that link again |
| 16:19.21 | roxville | hmmm what card do you have? |
| 16:19.37 | *** join/#elive LinuxNIT-gone (n=LinuxNIT@ppp-70-250-246-142.dsl.okcyok.swbell.net) |
| 16:19.46 | roxville | <roxville> http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/58629/index.html |
| 16:19.48 | LinuxNIT | thanks |
| 16:23.45 | roxville | FritzTux, you can actually do a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg on the live-cd |
| 16:23.56 | roxville | the root password is: elive |
| 16:23.59 | FritzTux | i'll try that |
| 16:24.39 | roxville | are you using vesa or nv drivers now? |
| 16:25.22 | FritzTux | nv |
| 16:26.45 | roxville | ok |
| 16:27.08 | FritzTux | it works well enough |
| 16:27.42 | roxville | yeah, it does... i ran it too, for a while... i had some probs too, before |
| 16:29.16 | FritzTux | e17 is looking very cool and featuristic, but i'll stay with kde for now |
| 16:30.43 | roxville | ok :) |
| 16:31.32 | roxville | if you find a partition laying around on your hard drive, install elive and play around with it for a bit... it's quite addictive |
| 16:32.10 | roxville | one of it's biggest features is that it is very low on resources |
| 16:32.58 | LinuxNIT | roxville> if you find a partition laying around on your hard drive.... <<<< lol yeah find random ones all the time ;) |
| 16:33.08 | FritzTux | yes, i know that, but that's even more true for e16 - up in 1 second! |
| 16:33.34 | roxville | LinuxNIT, :D |
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| 16:33.59 | roxville | yes FritzTux and e16 is also stable... which e17 is not... yet |
| 16:34.07 | roxville | it's usable, though |
| 16:34.21 | roxville | but e16 is, as you said... extremely fast |
| 16:35.02 | roxville | cocoapunk... interesting nick... |
| 16:36.10 | roxville | LinuxNIT, i heard today that rasterman is completely redoing the way the e17 modules are being handled |
| 16:36.44 | roxville | this means that they all have to be re-written |
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| 16:39.42 | LinuxNIT | dadgum windows |
| 16:39.43 | roxville | lol |
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| 16:39.57 | LinuxNIT | howdy elive_user86 |
| 16:39.58 | roxville | hello Elive_user86 |
| 16:39.58 | Elive_user86 | howdie. |
| 16:40.17 | Elive_user86 | wicked cool isn't it?? |
| 16:40.31 | roxville | lol, yep :) |
| 16:40.36 | LinuxNIT | heck yeah |
| 16:41.14 | Elive_user86 | have u tried oading elive inside qemu? |
| 16:41.22 | LinuxNIT | yes |
| 16:41.39 | Elive_user86 | i running this in vmware workstation and its deadly fast |
| 16:41.47 | Elive_user86 | best eye candy i've seen in quite a while |
| 16:41.50 | LinuxNIT | cool |
| 16:41.54 | Elive_user86 | great distro too :-) |
| 16:42.08 | Elive_user86 | u ever tried kororaa? |
| 16:42.12 | LinuxNIT | nope |
| 16:42.24 | Elive_user86 | its gentoo with the new novell X extensions |
| 16:42.38 | LinuxNIT | ah |
| 16:42.47 | Elive_user86 | any luck with the radio stations - how do you tune in? |
| 16:42.55 | LinuxNIT | tired gentoo once but im tooo impaatient for gentoo |
| 16:42.57 | LinuxNIT | lol |
| 16:43.07 | LinuxNIT | tired=tried |
| 16:43.15 | Elive_user86 | ha. takes getting used to and severe patience |
| 16:44.43 | LinuxNIT | well that was an abbrupt exit |
| 16:44.51 | roxville | lol |
| 16:44.53 | FritzTux | tired=tried --- cool typo! |
| 16:44.57 | LinuxNIT | lol |
| 16:45.02 | roxville | lol |
| 16:46.13 | roxville | well if you have lived through a gentoo install, i suppose it gives you the feeling that you can do anything :) |
| 16:46.26 | LinuxNIT | nope |
| 16:46.35 | LinuxNIT | cuase i stumbled thru it lol |
| 16:46.48 | LinuxNIT | had the tutorial in one hand and the pc at the other |
| 16:50.10 | FritzTux | i did a stage1 install, that took a week |
| 16:51.09 | LinuxNIT | well i got a desktop and all (flux box cause its small and dont take 5yrs to compile) but i like faster installs of programs |
| 16:51.23 | LinuxNIT | and coulndt get ndiswrapper to work which i had to have at the time |
| 16:51.24 | FritzTux | me too |
| 16:51.30 | LinuxNIT | so said bye bye to gentoo |
| 16:51.31 | LinuxNIT | lol |
| 16:52.36 | roxville | i gotta take my daughter out... she's about to wreck the house... |
| 16:53.04 | LinuxNIT | fun |
| 16:53.10 | roxville | LinuxNIT, like i said, there's a boat load of new users today... so try to keep it up for a while :) |
| 16:53.25 | LinuxNIT | lol |
| 16:53.30 | roxville | i'm sorry, but i gotta take her out |
| 16:53.34 | LinuxNIT | np |
| 16:53.39 | LinuxNIT | later and have fun |
| 16:53.42 | roxville | seeya later |
| 16:54.01 | LinuxNIT | all they gotta do is ask. me help if me can :D |
| 16:54.04 | FritzTux | later roxville |
| 16:54.24 | roxville | and FritzTux ... good to meet you, and i hope you change your mind about sticking with KDE... :) |
| 16:54.41 | LinuxNIT | eww not KDE ;) |
| 16:54.48 | LinuxNIT | hehe jk man |
| 16:56.25 | FritzTux | i just find it great from a usability standpoint, and i'm confident my mother could use it... enlightenment still has some way to go |
| 16:57.51 | LinuxNIT | yeah kde is probably a bit easier for parents. in my experiance they tend to not like change. so the closer to windows the better lol |
| 16:58.15 | LinuxNIT | E is just different |
| 16:58.28 | FritzTux | i used e for 1-2 years though, and might do that more |
| 16:59.03 | LinuxNIT | hmm sounds like you been on linux longer than me :D |
| 16:59.24 | FritzTux | maybe |
| 16:59.37 | LinuxNIT | im just now coming up on two years :D |
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| 16:59.47 | FritzTux | i took my first steps around '98 |
| 17:00.01 | LinuxNIT | wb wasynyt |
| 17:00.11 | FritzTux | hello wasynyt |
| 17:00.19 | wasynyt | good evening FritzTux |
| 17:00.42 | LinuxNIT | well i tried it once looong ago but the distro a friend gave me sucked so i left linux but returned 2 years ago |
| 17:01.09 | wasynyt | :) |
| 17:01.21 | wasynyt | linux was not that mighty 2 years ago |
| 17:01.23 | LinuxNIT | now i luuv it :> |
| 17:01.37 | FritzTux | what distro was that? did it start with an S? |
| 17:01.42 | LinuxNIT | no |
| 17:01.52 | wasynyt | FritzTux, you mean suse ? |
| 17:02.04 | FritzTux | yeah :D |
| 17:02.13 | LinuxNIT | it was Libranet however now libranet is a really nice distro except that it is stalled atm |
| 17:02.38 | LinuxNIT | libranet 2.8.X sucked but libranet 3 is awsome :) |
| 17:02.47 | LinuxNIT | buti still like elive better :D |
| 17:03.00 | FritzTux | i started on suse 6.0 but moved to debian after 6.1 |
| 17:03.10 | wasynyt | :/ |
| 17:03.22 | LinuxNIT | good move ;) |
| 17:03.24 | FritzTux | nowadays i use ubuntu |
| 17:03.26 | wasynyt | i havent ever even seen suse 6.* |
| 17:03.30 | wasynyt | :S |
| 17:06.35 | FritzTux | you didn't miss a lot |
| 17:07.09 | LinuxNIT | lol |
| 17:08.00 | wasynyt | :D |
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| 17:18.18 | LinuxNIT | howdy Elive_user80 |
| 17:18.19 | wasynyt | welcome Elive_user80 |
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| 17:21.40 | wasynyt | welcome Elive_user47 |
| 17:21.50 | FritzTux | i was just about to say that :D |
| 17:22.02 | wasynyt | :D |
| 17:28.14 | LinuxNIT | :> |
| 17:28.20 | wasynyt | :D |
| 17:34.32 | FritzTux | cu all later, gotta go now |
| 17:34.42 | LinuxNIT | cya |
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| 17:40.14 | wasynyt | welcome Elive_user13 |
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| 17:40.36 | wasynyt | :( |
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| 17:42.09 | wasynyt | welcome tuxit |
| 17:42.26 | tuxit | hello |
| 17:43.01 | wasynyt | :) |
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| 17:46.38 | wasynyt | :/ |
| 17:53.59 | tuxit | so how is everyone doing ?? |
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| 17:56.09 | wasynyt | welcome goldstein |
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| 17:57.35 | goldstein | hello |
| 17:57.49 | wasynyt | welcome Elive_user |
| 17:59.08 | rookmoot | stop to say welcome wasynyt ;) |
| 17:59.15 | rookmoot | they still live :) |
| 17:59.24 | rookmoot | leave*ù |
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| 18:04.29 | Zyk0tiK | Hey |
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| 18:05.30 | Zyk0tiK | hey rookmoot |
| 18:06.17 | Zyk0tiK | k this place is idle, i'm outtie ;P see ya |
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| 18:13.54 | LinuxNIT | wasynyt_silent, he left cause you were silent you cant win man |
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| 18:44.03 | Banach | hey guys can somebody help me with a cdrecord permissions problem: |
| 18:44.20 | Banach | rror trying to open /dev/sg0 exclusively (Permission denied) |
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| 18:47.19 | withoutclass | rawr |
| 18:47.21 | Banach | withoutclass, wb, help please! |
| 18:47.25 | withoutclass | k |
| 18:47.33 | Banach | I got a cdrecord problemo... |
| 18:47.37 | withoutclass | but only if you can cure my extremely itchy eyes |
| 18:47.40 | withoutclass | xD |
| 18:47.40 | Banach | E rror trying to open /dev/sg0 exclusively (Permission denied) |
| 18:47.48 | withoutclass | try running as root |
| 18:47.58 | Banach | tried it |
| 18:48.06 | withoutclass | then it is busy most likely |
| 18:48.13 | withoutclass | or in use by something else |
| 18:48.29 | Banach | but theres nothing using it xS Ill try figure it by manning lots of stuff |
| 18:48.32 | Banach | ta anywho |
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| 19:05.12 | Elive_user | cia a tutti |
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| 19:05.46 | withoutclass | tralala |
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| 19:07.01 | LinuxNIT | howdy Elive_user54 |
| 19:08.20 | withoutclass | howdy LinuxNIT |
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| 19:09.01 | Elive_user88 | wooooooooooooo |
| 19:09.09 | LinuxNIT | :> |
| 19:09.10 | withoutclass | no |
| 19:09.12 | Elive_user88 | nice |
| 19:09.15 | withoutclass | no woooing here |
| 19:09.17 | Elive_user88 | live cd |
| 19:09.24 | LinuxNIT | wonderful aint it |
| 19:09.26 | LinuxNIT | :> |
| 19:09.26 | Elive_user88 | no woooing |
| 19:09.29 | withoutclass | no |
| 19:09.32 | Elive_user88 | booo |
| 19:09.40 | LinuxNIT | apt smack withoutclass |
| 19:09.41 | apt | ACTION smacks withoutclass upside the head. |
| 19:09.44 | Elive_user88 | yes very impressed |
| 19:09.54 | withoutclass | although we do accept shouts of "this is amazing" and "you guys own my soul now" |
| 19:10.00 | LinuxNIT | lol |
| 19:10.16 | Elive_user88 | well im going to install |
| 19:10.19 | Elive_user88 | is that good enough |
| 19:10.23 | withoutclass | good call |
| 19:10.35 | withoutclass | apt timeout LinuxNIT |
| 19:10.36 | apt | ACTION grabs LinuxNIT by the ear, drags him to the timeout chair, and forces him to sit there for 20 minutes |
| 19:10.46 | Elive_user88 | you guys |
| 19:10.47 | wasynyt | -_- |
| 19:10.49 | LinuxNIT | nice try |
| 19:10.53 | withoutclass | apt rip LinuxNIT |
| 19:10.55 | apt | ACTION takes LinuxNIT and acts as Jack The Ripper |
| 19:11.08 | wasynyt | apt timeout withoutclass |
| 19:11.09 | apt | ACTION grabs withoutclass by the ear, drags him to the timeout chair, and forces him to sit there for 20 minutes |
| 19:11.14 | withoutclass | i dont have ears either |
| 19:11.17 | LinuxNIT | this is sad |
| 19:11.21 | wasynyt | :( |
| 19:11.24 | withoutclass | xD |
| 19:11.28 | wasynyt | apt shoot withoutclass |
| 19:11.29 | apt | ACTION shoots withoutclass in the head with a spitwad! |
| 19:11.35 | LinuxNIT | we beat each other up over irc using abot |
| 19:11.42 | LinuxNIT | we need help |
| 19:11.55 | wasynyt | :D |
| 19:12.09 | Elive_user88 | yes |
| 19:12.11 | withoutclass | Elive_user54, Elive_user88 , Elive_user96 please change your nicks names |
| 19:12.14 | Elive_user88 | i thnk soo |
| 19:12.19 | Elive_user88 | woooooooooooooooooooohoooo |
| 19:12.30 | wasynyt | to change /nick new_nick |
| 19:13.00 | LinuxNIT | ty |
| 19:13.02 | LinuxNIT | :> |
| 19:13.03 | droosta | ok |
| 19:13.43 | wasynyt | :) |
| 19:13.58 | goldstein | im trying to perform a network based debian stable install, but when it comes to partition the disk it says "no disk was found" and "unavailable modules: ide-mod, ide-probe-mod, ide-generic, ide-floppy"...any suggestions? |
| 19:14.07 | withoutclass | i wonder what kind of algorithm xchat uses to decide what color people's names show up as |
| 19:14.39 | wasynyt | rndnumb .. or something like that |
| 19:15.05 | LinuxNIT | goldstein, do you have sata? |
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| 19:15.48 | goldstein | LinuxNIT, no, its an old ide disk.. |
| 19:15.54 | LinuxNIT | k |
| 19:16.48 | goldstein | when "hardware detection" it says "couldn´t modprobe -v ide-detect and modprobe -v ide-disk" |
| 19:16.55 | goldstein | this must have simething to do.. |
| 19:17.12 | wasynyt | you sure that hd is alive |
| 19:17.17 | LinuxNIT | do you have a consolle up? |
| 19:17.38 | goldstein | hum...100% sure no... but bios detects it.. |
| 19:17.52 | wasynyt | :) |
| 19:17.54 | goldstein | LinuxNIT, i can have a limited shell yes |
| 19:18.42 | LinuxNIT | modprob -l | grep ide give anything? |
| 19:18.50 | LinuxNIT | -l |
| 19:19.17 | LinuxNIT | heh the l looks like a 1 from here lol |
| 19:19.25 | goldstein | lool |
| 19:19.42 | goldstein | just a min, the machine is in the other side of the basement eheh |
| 19:19.53 | LinuxNIT | lol |
| 19:20.30 | goldstein | nothing:7 |
| 19:21.26 | gnaunited | Damn cheap floppy disks |
| 19:21.34 | LinuxNIT | what otipns did you boot with? |
| 19:21.43 | LinuxNIT | did you boot with linux26? |
| 19:21.57 | LinuxNIT | err thats not it |
| 19:22.04 | goldstein | it says that option doesnt exist.. |
| 19:22.13 | goldstein | i boot with "expert" |
| 19:22.22 | LinuxNIT | what kernel? |
| 19:22.43 | goldstein | didnt ask, so i suppose its 2.5 |
| 19:22.45 | LinuxNIT | uname -a |
| 19:23.11 | goldstein | yeap, 2.4.27 |
| 19:23.36 | LinuxNIT | this is on a floppy disk? like 3.5 in? |
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| 19:23.59 | withoutclass | if you're doing an install like this you mine as well do gentoo |
| 19:24.03 | LinuxNIT | lol |
| 19:24.21 | withoutclass | at least then you can print out the 200page manual |
| 19:24.27 | LinuxNIT | lol |
| 19:24.38 | LinuxNIT | dude he has 2 pcs no need to print |
| 19:24.40 | LinuxNIT | :> |
| 19:24.41 | withoutclass | with 2 computers, you dont even need to print it |
| 19:24.46 | LinuxNIT | beat ya |
| 19:24.47 | withoutclass | ahh, beat me to it |
| 19:24.49 | LinuxNIT | :> |
| 19:24.52 | withoutclass | O_O |
| 19:24.58 | withoutclass | great minds think alike ;) |
| 19:24.58 | wasynyt | :) |
| 19:25.02 | goldstein | withoutclass, i have the manual ehhe |
| 19:25.03 | LinuxNIT | hehe |
| 19:25.18 | withoutclass | i sorta miss gentoo days |
| 19:25.29 | withoutclass | i only did it successfully once lol |
| 19:25.29 | LinuxNIT | withoutclass, yes but wouldnt that mean poor minds think alike as well? |
| 19:25.38 | withoutclass | maybe |
| 19:25.40 | wasynyt | -_- |
| 19:25.49 | LinuxNIT | i installed successfully but im too impatient for it lol |
| 19:25.49 | goldstein | but its a really slow machine, low disk space and ram.. gentoo would take too long to do anything there, |
| 19:25.51 | withoutclass | 1/3 tries on gentoo aint too bad lol |
| 19:25.55 | LinuxNIT | lol |
| 19:26.02 | withoutclass | goldstein, you have 2 computers |
| 19:26.08 | withoutclass | this means you can dual compile |
| 19:26.11 | withoutclass | kekekekeke |
| 19:26.27 | gnaunited | =-O |
| 19:26.28 | LinuxNIT | goldstein, why not use the 30mb netinstall disk i bet it has better hardware support |
| 19:26.56 | LinuxNIT | or go talk to #debian hehehe |
| 19:27.00 | goldstein | debian? its 100mb cd |
| 19:27.07 | gnaunited | 40mb |
| 19:27.17 | gnaunited | Business Card CD |
| 19:27.22 | goldstein | the image i downloaded is 108mb |
| 19:27.24 | LinuxNIT | err yeah that one |
| 19:27.30 | gnaunited | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:27.47 | wasynyt | :D |
| 19:27.57 | goldstein | but didnt work because of the cdrom..it boots, but then can found install media |
| 19:27.58 | goldstein | lol |
| 19:28.06 | goldstein | its an evil cdorm |
| 19:28.11 | goldstein | cdrom |
| 19:28.14 | withoutclass | i HATEdroms |
| 19:28.22 | LinuxNIT | pull one out of the pc your on |
| 19:28.28 | LinuxNIT | for the install |
| 19:28.33 | LinuxNIT | :> |
| 19:28.54 | wasynyt | :) |
| 19:29.05 | goldstein | its a laptop |
| 19:29.11 | LinuxNIT | lol |
| 19:29.14 | LinuxNIT | sooo |
| 19:29.16 | LinuxNIT | lol |
| 19:29.38 | goldstein | but i do have my family's computer...hum... 2 drives:) |
| 19:29.41 | LinuxNIT | time for a patchwork cable..... break out the soldering iron |
| 19:30.01 | wasynyt | :S that does not sound too good |
| 19:30.03 | goldstein | meybe ill do that.. |
| 19:30.05 | LinuxNIT | lol |
| 19:30.38 | LinuxNIT | ummm not what i said i hope (about cables) |
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| 19:30.56 | LinuxNIT | or ask him |
| 19:30.58 | wasynyt | :D |
| 19:31.37 | goldstein | LinuxNIT, no, not the cables |
| 19:31.38 | goldstein | lol |
| 19:31.47 | LinuxNIT | oh good |
| 19:31.48 | LinuxNIT | :> |
| 19:32.11 | LinuxNIT | apt tell gnaunited stop that |
| 19:32.24 | LinuxNIT | dumb apt |
| 19:32.54 | LinuxNIT | :O |
| 19:32.59 | LinuxNIT | not linux's cousin |
| 19:33.33 | gnaunited | MacOSX - Linux for idiots. |
| 19:33.40 | wasynyt | :( |
| 19:34.01 | LinuxNIT | MacOSX > windows |
| 19:34.16 | tuxit | MacOSX had a bsd kernel if I'm correct |
| 19:34.24 | LinuxNIT | does this mean gnaunited adits to being a idiot? |
| 19:34.39 | LinuxNIT | tuxit, i belive that is correct |
| 19:34.55 | gnaunited | I don't use Mac, but would be nice to try something different |
| 19:35.01 | tuxit | ooh then according to theo deraadt linux is for loosers and bsd is for real hackers |
| 19:35.12 | gnaunited | Something that supports its hardware out of the box |
| 19:35.15 | tuxit | off course its the loosers that can always pay his dying openbsd project |
| 19:35.33 | LinuxNIT | tuxit, lol |
| 19:35.42 | wasynyt | macosx has some Mach kernel |
| 19:35.42 | tuxit | too expensive for home use |
| 19:35.49 | tuxit | nopes its freebsd |
| 19:35.50 | tuxit | no mach |
| 19:35.58 | tuxit | mach is impossible for commercial use |
| 19:36.02 | tuxit | too crappy |
| 19:36.39 | wasynyt | Mac OS X is based on the Mach kernel and the BSD implementation of Unix, which were incorporated into NEXTSTEP, the object-oriented operating system developed by Steve Jobs' NeXT .... |
| 19:36.48 | wasynyt | wikipedia |
| 19:37.07 | tuxit | so so sure about the mach part |
| 19:37.21 | wasynyt | nope.. it really has it |
| 19:37.23 | tuxit | apple hired half of the freebsd folks |
| 19:37.29 | roxville | the mach kernel is based on the freebsd kernel |
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| 19:37.35 | gnaunited | And stole the soul of all of them |
| 19:37.37 | LinuxNIT | roxville, lol |
| 19:37.41 | wasynyt | :D |
| 19:37.45 | tuxit | then I think we talk about a different mach kernel |
| 19:37.46 | goldstein | eat time |
| 19:37.49 | roxville | and the guy responsible for it just left apple |
| 19:37.57 | tuxit | the mach kernel I talk about is older then freebsd |
| 19:38.00 | tuxit | much older |
| 19:38.11 | roxville | openbsd then |
| 19:38.29 | roxville | the mach kernel was invented for and used bu NeXT |
| 19:38.35 | tuxit | freebsd, openbsd and netbsd had their roots with bsd 4.4 lite |
| 19:38.38 | wasynyt | Operating systems based on Mach |
| 19:38.38 | wasynyt | GNU Hurd/GNU Mach |
| 19:38.39 | wasynyt | MkLinux |
| 19:38.41 | wasynyt | Mach386 |
| 19:38.44 | wasynyt | MachTen |
| 19:38.45 | wasynyt | MacMach |
| 19:38.46 | tuxit | mach is totally different |
| 19:38.47 | wasynyt | Mac OS X |
| 19:38.51 | wasynyt | NEXTSTEP |
| 19:38.53 | wasynyt | OSF/1 |
| 19:38.55 | wasynyt | Workplace OS |
| 19:38.57 | wasynyt | xMach .. |
| 19:39.16 | tuxit | its a microkernel architecture |
| 19:39.16 | wasynyt | osx really has mach kernel.. believe it or not |
| 19:39.26 | tuxit | well that explains why they need a dual processor |
| 19:39.30 | tuxit | mach is so slow |
| 19:39.33 | wasynyt | :D |
| 19:39.39 | tuxit | anyone tried to boot a hurd ?? |
| 19:39.47 | wasynyt | nope.. |
| 19:39.51 | tuxit | even the hurd wanna get rid of mach |
| 19:39.56 | wasynyt | :D |
| 19:40.03 | LinuxNIT | uh oh i gtg |
| 19:40.11 | LinuxNIT | dadgum classes get in the way all the time |
| 19:40.14 | tuxit | if you are reall feeling masochistisch install hurd |
| 19:40.25 | wasynyt | apple has made some serious work on it.. i think that its usable |
| 19:40.54 | wasynyt | it's built to survive |
| 19:40.54 | wasynyt | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:41.04 | tuxit | it explains why osx is so slow then |
| 19:41.04 | wasynyt | from hurd netsite |
| 19:41.30 | tuxit | well they were the first to bring virtualization up |
| 19:41.35 | wasynyt | osx has alot much eyecandy |
| 19:41.50 | tuxit | with the hurd its possible to run a linux and hurd and others side by side |
| 19:41.50 | wasynyt | *alot eyecandy |
| 19:41.57 | tuxit | yeah I know that |
| 19:42.01 | wasynyt | :D |
| 19:42.10 | tuxit | and they did alot to bend around the user unfriendliness of unix |
| 19:42.13 | wasynyt | i think that it is what slows it down |
| 19:42.15 | tuxit | and did alot of things right |
| 19:42.20 | wasynyt | :D |
| 19:42.36 | tuxit | if they use mach the kernel is part of it lol |
| 19:42.53 | tuxit | plus their direct graphics are accerelated |
| 19:42.55 | tuxit | 3D |
| 19:43.04 | tuxit | no processor calculated transparant blends |
| 19:43.33 | wasynyt | and they do double rendering for graphics |
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| 19:46.07 | tuxit | well i hope some open hardware really go off |
| 19:46.21 | tuxit | mebe we could have then finally decent drivers for X |
| 19:47.15 | wasynyt | :D |
| 19:47.20 | wasynyt | i hope it too.. |
| 19:47.59 | wasynyt | i fear that it will take alot of time |
| 19:48.20 | tuxit | OpenGraphics might bring out a card this year with an fpga |
| 19:48.28 | tuxit | very expensive |
| 19:48.37 | tuxit | not for production use but more meant for driver writers |
| 19:48.41 | wasynyt | OpenGraphics.. do they have a homesite |
| 19:48.50 | tuxit | sec they have a wiki |
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| 19:49.13 | tuxit | http://wiki.duskglow.com/tiki-index.php?page=Open-Graphics |
| 19:50.26 | tuxit | first version will just have the rasterizer part of the 3D pipeline (2d is a special case of 3d) |
| 19:50.43 | tuxit | should be enough for decent desktop use and the light games linux has |
| 19:51.08 | tuxit | if that hits off commercially they might bring out a fully ogl2.0 compliant card |
| 19:51.19 | tuxit | vertex and pixel shaders and that kind of shit |
| 19:51.44 | wasynyt | :) i hope they have succes |
| 19:51.58 | tuxit | I would die for their first card allready |
| 19:52.05 | tuxit | with decent optimized drivers |
| 19:52.12 | tuxit | E17 hardware accelerated |
| 19:52.18 | tuxit | imagine what themes you can do then |
| 19:52.33 | wasynyt | :D |
| 19:52.52 | wasynyt | i can see those backgrounds with 3d effects... |
| 19:52.59 | wasynyt | in my mind :( |
| 19:53.33 | tuxit | full transparant desktop with every window view through the whole Z stack |
| 19:53.45 | wasynyt | :D |
| 19:54.39 | withoutclass | i want my desktop to be liek a sheet of glass wit some a bright background so i cant read any of the text in any of the windows, i think this would make me very productive |
| 19:54.39 | tuxit | lol I'm preparing my wife for the financial hit for a prototype card ;-) |
| 19:54.48 | wasynyt | " |
| 19:54.48 | wasynyt | The hardware required to interface these add-ons costs _more_ money than whatever part you are trying to save on. In the interest of keeping cost down, it won't happen. |
| 19:54.48 | wasynyt | " this sounds good |
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| 19:57.25 | wasynyt | but i think that those wont be imported to finland.... not before big oems start to use them |
| 19:57.28 | wasynyt | :( |
| 19:57.46 | tuxit | hehe withoutclass dunno if a full transparant desktop is very usable, its nice as a showcase |
| 19:58.15 | tuxit | wasynyt, prolly not to belgium too, you have to order them over the net directly from them and they produce according to the orders they get |
| 19:58.20 | tuxit | for the prototypes I mean |
| 19:59.32 | wasynyt | i mean their first production models... |
| 19:59.44 | wasynyt | or they just have to be extremely good |
| 19:59.50 | tuxit | I think most will have to direct order from them |
| 20:00.15 | tuxit | to go into really production they need an investment of a few million dollar |
| 20:00.34 | tuxit | making the masks alone for the chips can cost more then a million dollar |
| 20:00.55 | tuxit | it pays backs once the production runs well |
| 20:01.52 | wasynyt | hope so :D |
| 20:02.38 | wasynyt | i would buy a 100e graphicscard with dual-dvi outs and prober open drivers any time |
| 20:03.19 | tuxit | I'm following the mailing list for a while and its full of wankers that want directly a opengl2.0 compliant card |
| 20:03.29 | tuxit | they want to compete directly with nvidia or ati |
| 20:03.33 | tuxit | which they can't |
| 20:03.40 | tuxit | I hope they keep on the first plan |
| 20:03.50 | wasynyt | i too... |
| 20:03.56 | tuxit | in the features the card is comparable to an nvidia TNT2 |
| 20:04.03 | wasynyt | :( |
| 20:04.06 | wasynyt | thats too little |
| 20:04.14 | wasynyt | i need geforce 4mx :D |
| 20:04.20 | tuxit | no thats more then enough for desktop |
| 20:04.23 | wasynyt | not too power i think |
| 20:04.28 | tuxit | you don't need T&L for desktop |
| 20:04.31 | wasynyt | *powerful |
| 20:04.32 | tuxit | the clockspeed will be higher |
| 20:04.42 | wasynyt | i mean in game speed |
| 20:04.43 | tuxit | and the internal buffers are allready floating point |
| 20:04.48 | tuxit | its not meant for games |
| 20:04.51 | wasynyt | :( |
| 20:04.52 | tuxit | its for desktop use |
| 20:05.01 | wasynyt | well i wil waiting 2nd generation |
| 20:05.08 | wasynyt | *will be |
| 20:05.13 | tuxit | you can run most little linux 3D games with iut |
| 20:05.14 | tuxit | it |
| 20:05.21 | tuxit | you don't need a t&l monster for it |
| 20:05.49 | wasynyt | geforce 4mx hrdly is one.. its more like overclocked geforce 2 |
| 20:06.01 | wasynyt | it does not have even dx9 support |
| 20:06.07 | tuxit | well duuuuuh |
| 20:06.13 | tuxit | not even dx8 |
| 20:06.24 | tuxit | its a geforce2mx core higher clocked |
| 20:06.35 | tuxit | it was a stupid and nasty marketing stunt |
| 20:06.46 | wasynyt | well it works pretty well |
| 20:06.52 | tuxit | yes |
| 20:06.54 | wasynyt | i still have one |
| 20:07.02 | tuxit | my father has mine |
| 20:07.09 | tuxit | still regret to gave it away |
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| 20:07.21 | tuxit | its the only gpu I had that was passive cooled |
| 20:07.23 | wasynyt | one can play many 3d games with it... and it is rock solid and does not have fans |
| 20:07.44 | tuxit | now I have an ati 8500 with a whining cooler |
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| 20:07.50 | wasynyt | :D |
| 20:08.13 | tuxit | I think I'm gonna put that zahlman monster copper on it without the fan hehehe |
| 20:08.19 | wasynyt | :D |
| 20:08.28 | wasynyt | that will freeze it.. |
| 20:08.38 | tuxit | oooh then I overclock it hehe |
| 20:08.46 | wasynyt | :D |
| 20:08.48 | gnaunited | How do you over clock a GPU? |
| 20:09.12 | wasynyt | give it a little over voltage by voltage mod and config its bios |
| 20:09.13 | tuxit | change components on the board |
| 20:09.20 | tuxit | to give more voltage |
| 20:09.26 | tuxit | and change the bios of the gpu card |
| 20:09.51 | wasynyt | those will be hot after that :D |
| 20:09.58 | tuxit | memory is worst |
| 20:10.10 | wasynyt | no air cooling after modding |
| 20:10.30 | tuxit | my brother in law is an overclocking freak |
| 20:10.36 | wasynyt | :D |
| 20:10.37 | tuxit | if its not overclocked its not for real |
| 20:10.48 | tuxit | I ordered my last pc via him |
| 20:10.58 | tuxit | it took me ages to convince him to NOT overclock |
| 20:11.02 | wasynyt | :/ |
| 20:11.10 | wasynyt | whats your comp like |
| 20:11.11 | tuxit | cause I take a slower pc but I require stability |
| 20:11.37 | tuxit | my big one that ordered from him is a p4HT 3ghz 1gb dualchannel mem |
| 20:11.54 | tuxit | it has now a geforce 5900 ultra |
| 20:12.07 | wasynyt | thats far better than mine :( |
| 20:12.15 | tuxit | its not this machine |
| 20:12.15 | tuxit | this is an older dell |
| 20:12.19 | tuxit | other compie is still for games |
| 20:12.30 | tuxit | but gonna put linux on it in summer I think |
| 20:12.48 | wasynyt | but i will spend my money on addittional hard drives |
| 20:13.06 | wasynyt | i dot need anymore power that this old comp has |
| 20:13.10 | wasynyt | *dont |
| 20:14.31 | withoutclass | i dont need a crazy machine :P |
| 20:14.43 | wasynyt | and my next comp is most likely some kind of apple laptop (the most cheapest one i guess) |
| 20:15.04 | tuxit | like I said, apple stuff is still too expansive for home use |
| 20:15.10 | tuxit | expensive lol |
| 20:15.11 | withoutclass | ya |
| 20:15.13 | withoutclass | it is expensive |
| 20:15.18 | tuxit | and it will not change |
| 20:15.20 | withoutclass | but its so purty |
| 20:15.25 | wasynyt | 1000 e for laptop is not that bad |
| 20:15.27 | tuxit | you pay for its design too |
| 20:15.35 | withoutclass | thats mostly what you pay for IMO |
| 20:15.39 | wasynyt | :D |
| 20:15.44 | tuxit | yeah on minimal system specs then I assume |
| 20:15.50 | tuxit | hardly to move forward |
| 20:15.59 | wasynyt | dunno... |
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| 20:16.19 | withoutclass | if i get another comp anytime soon its going to be a desktop, this lappy I have will last me a long time, specially running linux |
| 20:16.21 | wasynyt | its hard to find small laptops in that price tag |
| 20:16.38 | tuxit | my lappy went to wife |
| 20:16.47 | wasynyt | i will wait for next gen ibook to appear |
| 20:16.50 | tuxit | but I got now three desktops (mostly older ones) |
| 20:18.01 | wasynyt | p3 or p2 |
| 20:18.02 | withoutclass | bleh |
| 20:18.18 | tuxit | one P3 733 and this one P4 1.6 |
| 20:18.28 | withoutclass | they are designed beautifully, but i wouldnt want to buy something that doesnt compete with the lappy i have already |
| 20:18.31 | tuxit | and then the 3ghz |
| 20:18.40 | wasynyt | withoutclass, :D |
| 20:19.17 | tuxit | time for a bit of gaming ;-) |
| 20:19.19 | tuxit | bb laters |
| 20:19.31 | wasynyt | in here where i live i can afford only to some cheap celeron based crap or some very ugly looking company laptop |
| 20:19.37 | wasynyt | :( |
| 20:19.47 | withoutclass | the only lappys on apple's website that do compete with mine are the 17inch powerbooks, and the macbooks, both of which vastly out cost my current computer |
| 20:20.39 | wasynyt | the next gen ibook is rumoured to have intel core duo @ 1.6 ghz and 13.1" widescreen (like that would matter) |
| 20:21.20 | withoutclass | eh |
| 20:21.23 | withoutclass | 1.6ghz |
| 20:21.46 | withoutclass | just increased multi-tasking ig uess |
| 20:22.15 | wasynyt | thats what i need.. i allways do at least 2-4 things at the same time |
| 20:22.38 | withoutclass | the only aspect of my laptop that makes me sad is the monitor casing is kinda cruddy |
| 20:22.45 | wasynyt | :/ |
| 20:22.53 | withoutclass | only at the hinges |
| 20:23.07 | wasynyt | do you have those fancy crystal bright monitors |
| 20:23.12 | withoutclass | i have to be carefull, cuz one of the hinge holders is super glued in |
| 20:23.15 | withoutclass | i dunno? |
| 20:23.26 | withoutclass | regular lcd i guess |
| 20:23.29 | wasynyt | k |
| 20:23.47 | wasynyt | you can tell the difference between them... |
| 20:24.07 | withoutclass | no diea |
| 20:24.11 | wasynyt | those burn battery like old american cars gasoline |
| 20:24.31 | withoutclass | idea |
| 20:24.31 | withoutclass | although from looking at other laptops, i think it is just regular |
| 20:24.49 | withoutclass | my roomates lcd seems super bright |
| 20:24.51 | wasynyt | they have mad contrast and extremely bright colours... and it shines when not on |
| 20:24.52 | withoutclass | he has a honkin HP |
| 20:24.54 | withoutclass | worthless for mobility |
| 20:24.55 | wasynyt | :D |
| 20:25.06 | wasynyt | battery last for half hour ? |
| 20:25.08 | withoutclass | i get at least 3.5 hrs of bat time |
| 20:25.25 | withoutclass | but, thats not doing too much with it |
| 20:25.29 | withoutclass | just using terminal to take notes |
| 20:25.44 | wasynyt | :D |
| 20:26.04 | withoutclass | yea, his screen is always shiny |
| 20:26.12 | withoutclass | its got a different plastic covering to it |
| 20:26.39 | wasynyt | it must be those new bright one then |
| 20:27.16 | withoutclass | i think it is |
| 20:27.23 | withoutclass | he say his battery time pretty much sux |
| 20:27.32 | wasynyt | :D |
| 20:28.46 | withoutclass | new macbooks are sweet |
| 20:28.50 | withoutclass | but way over priced |
| 20:30.05 | wasynyt | thats why i have high hopes for next ibook |
| 20:30.48 | withoutclass | i just like their cd rom drives |
| 20:30.48 | withoutclass | xD |
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| 20:31.34 | leku | hi |
| 20:31.40 | wasynyt | gpd evening |
| 20:31.46 | leku | just installed elive 8) |
| 20:31.48 | wasynyt | *good |
| 20:31.53 | leku | former ubuntu user |
| 20:31.56 | wasynyt | what do like it |
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| 20:32.02 | wasynyt | good or bad |
| 20:32.03 | leku | it's nice |
| 20:32.03 | wasynyt | ? |
| 20:32.10 | leku | i installed it because i coulnd't quite get e working myself |
| 20:32.20 | leku | the install was a little buggy |
| 20:32.24 | leku | things are not so clear |
| 20:32.30 | wasynyt | we know |
| 20:32.32 | leku | i'd like to actually help out if i have some time |
| 20:32.49 | leku | by default am i using e16 or e17? |
| 20:32.59 | wasynyt | hang in these chanel.. and help when others need help |
| 20:33.03 | leku | sure |
| 20:33.14 | leku | it's absolutely gorgeous |
| 20:33.16 | wasynyt | do you have battery icon on desktop |
| 20:33.21 | leku | nope |
| 20:33.45 | wasynyt | what kind background you have |
| 20:33.53 | leku | it says elive in the middle |
| 20:33.57 | leku | looks like an eye |
| 20:34.30 | leku | btw it is ok that I am doing an apt-get update and upgrade right? |
| 20:34.41 | withoutclass | if you logout/login, you will get entrance log in screen, and then you can choose in bottom right corner |
| 20:34.47 | leku | oh cool |
| 20:34.47 | withoutclass | leku, yes, apt-get |
| 20:34.49 | leku | thx man |
| 20:34.51 | withoutclass | or synaptic |
| 20:34.55 | withoutclass | your preference |
| 20:35.03 | leku | i'll try it after i'm done with the upgrade then |
| 20:35.11 | leku | cuz some things int eh configurator weren't working |
| 20:35.12 | leku | like terminal config |
| 20:35.14 | leku | nothing happens |
| 20:35.37 | withoutclass | also check out the wiki site |
| 20:35.43 | leku | k |
| 20:35.45 | withoutclass | there are some things answered there |
| 20:35.45 | leku | url? |
| 20:35.49 | withoutclass | wiki.elivecd.org |
| 20:35.54 | leku | what kind of stuff do I need to know? |
| 20:36.41 | leku | where can I find some themees? |
| 20:36.58 | withoutclass | apt-get |
| 20:37.56 | leku | i am so glad to have a beautiful desktop |
| 20:38.02 | leku | my gf has a mac and she always rubs it in |
| 20:38.11 | leku | is there a way to get rid of the border around engage? |
| 20:38.16 | leku | i don't want the box around it |
| 20:40.05 | leku | ah you guys are ignoring me already |
| 20:40.07 | leku | i feel right at home 8) |
| 20:40.29 | withoutclass | sorry |
| 20:40.48 | withoutclass | being the afternoon im trying to code my UNIX programming homework and c++ homework |
| 20:40.58 | leku | hehe |
| 20:41.02 | leku | no worries |
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| 20:41.08 | leku | i can't get the terminal manager to launch |
| 20:41.10 | withoutclass | apt elpanel |
| 20:41.11 | apt | elpanel is, like, the powered center of control of Elive, where all the answers of your questions are, your heart is prepaired for discover all features ? ;) |
| 20:41.18 | withoutclass | you prolly have to install it |
| 20:41.24 | leku | i see |
| 20:41.29 | leku | what is the name of the package? |
| 20:41.48 | leku | do you have a list of things you put on your system after you installed it? |
| 20:42.25 | withoutclass | apt-cache search terminal manager |
| 20:42.47 | withoutclass | also, i suggest you check out the e16-basic-tutorial |
| 20:42.50 | withoutclass | you must apt-get this too |
| 20:42.54 | withoutclass | and you can only run it in e16 |
| 20:43.19 | leku | ok |
| 20:43.21 | leku | will do |
| 20:43.29 | goldstein | leku, engage --help maybe can help you |
| 20:43.42 | leku | k |
| 20:43.43 | leku | thx |
| 20:44.20 | withoutclass | you can edit the engage options through elpanel |
| 20:44.24 | withoutclass | left most option |
| 20:44.25 | goldstein | i cant tell you right away how to get rid of the box because i dont use engage, but it goes out! |
| 20:44.26 | withoutclass | e16 |
| 20:44.31 | withoutclass | options for engage |
| 20:46.02 | leku | how come e16 |
| 20:46.04 | leku | what if i wanna use e17? |
| 20:46.05 | withoutclass | after you get the engage editor lil box, choose the last option, configure the options of your engage |
| 20:46.14 | withoutclass | use e17 if you want |
| 20:46.18 | withoutclass | up to you |
| 20:46.25 | withoutclass | but |
| 20:46.29 | withoutclass | apt e17 |
| 20:46.30 | apt | i heard e17 is IN DEVELOPEMENT, and this is the same to NOT FINISHED, some parts works, and some parts not works, e17 not is prepaired for the end-user, if you continue like to use it is your problem, if you search a stable thing, use e16 |
| 20:46.41 | leku | what do you recommend I use? |
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| 20:47.28 | withoutclass | its personal preference |
| 20:47.37 | withoutclass | i suggest using both and then deciding |
| 20:48.05 | leku | k |
| 20:48.47 | leku | hm |
| 20:48.56 | leku | i wonder if some of those things from the panel didn't work because i wasn't in the sudoers file |
| 20:49.59 | withoutclass | naw |
| 20:50.00 | withoutclass | forget sudo |
| 20:50.00 | withoutclass | forever |
| 20:50.03 | leku | why? |
| 20:50.05 | leku | sudo rules |
| 20:50.10 | leku | <3 ubuntu's use of it |
| 20:51.52 | withoutclass | no |
| 20:51.54 | withoutclass | its insecure |
| 20:51.58 | leku | how so? |
| 20:52.02 | withoutclass | saves ur password |
| 20:52.02 | withoutclass | even after you close the terminal |
| 20:52.07 | leku | it caches it |
| 20:52.12 | leku | i'm the only user of my system though |
| 20:52.26 | leku | plus that is a configurable option i'm sure |
| 20:52.26 | Gwildor|work | not always......that is a setting <---my 2 cents |
| 20:52.41 | leku | it doesn't take away from the usefulness of it. |
| 20:53.27 | leku | also |
| 20:53.32 | leku | is there a graphical boot thing? |
| 20:53.41 | leku | mine just came up with the penguin icon at the top left |
| 20:54.25 | Gwildor|work | fyi, thats called "boot splash"....and i dont really remember if there is or isnt... |
| 20:54.37 | Gwildor|work | sorry |
| 20:54.58 | Gwildor|work | anywho, im outta here...laters |
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| 20:57.35 | leku | how do I get the background that the livecd uses? |
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| 21:09.18 | leku | that ibm video ruled |
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| 21:28.21 | bodha | recoucou |
| 21:29.44 | gnaunited | is there a file that contains the network settings? Such as IP address? |
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| 21:30.09 | withoutclass | gnaunited, elpanel |
| 21:30.18 | gnaunited | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:31.34 | Elive_user | hi. i've got this error when i try to remove the kernel dir: rm: impossibile fare lstat di `/usr/src/linux-2.6.16.5//arch/v850/lib': Permission denied. why? thanks!:) |
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| 21:34.44 | withoutclass | Elive_user, why do you want to remove this? |
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| 21:35.15 | Elive_user | because my hd is too small:) |
| 21:36.55 | Elive_user | in /usr/src/linux-2.6.16.5/arch/v850/lib some files are red... why? i'm root! |
| 21:37.09 | Zyk0tiK|Work | uber protected files |
| 21:37.10 | Zyk0tiK|Work | :O |
| 21:37.29 | Elive_user | only god can remove it?:D |
| 21:38.49 | Zyk0tiK|Work | well i don't use elive myself, but that says to me that you're just not supposed to remove it ever |
| 21:38.54 | Zyk0tiK|Work | 'cause it could break things |
| 21:40.18 | Elive_user | but in the past i've removed a kernel folder (2.6.15.1 if i remember...), now i can't.... |
| 21:40.34 | Zyk0tiK|Work | try su? |
| 21:40.46 | Elive_user | root? |
| 21:40.50 | Zyk0tiK|Work | or changing the permissions of the entire folder and contents? |
| 21:41.08 | Elive_user | how can i change it? |
| 21:42.09 | Zyk0tiK|Work | http://catcode.com/teachmod/ |
| 21:42.20 | withoutclass | why dont you remove other things you dont need |
| 21:42.26 | withoutclass | not something potentially harmfull to the system |
| 21:43.09 | leku | rm -rf /usr/src/linux-2.6.16* |
| 21:43.16 | leku | you will break things that need kernel headers tho |
| 21:44.20 | leku | only when you compile something that needs it though, i wouldn't worry about removing it |
| 21:44.21 | Zyk0tiK|Work | yeah, is what i said |
| 21:44.48 | Elive_user | thanks to all:). so the kernel use some files in this dir? |
| 21:45.31 | Zyk0tiK|Work | not the kernel |
| 21:45.36 | Zyk0tiK|Work | apps that use the kernel headers |
| 21:45.48 | Zyk0tiK|Work | also if you ever wanted to compile something that needed the kernel headers you wouldn't be able to |
| 21:46.01 | Zyk0tiK|Work | i'd always recommend to keep them |
| 21:46.38 | leku | it's a coin flip |
| 21:46.51 | leku | if you want ot remove it you probably odn't know enough to ever have to worry about using them |
| 21:46.55 | leku | 8) |
| 21:47.06 | Zyk0tiK|Work | not so |
| 21:47.06 | leku | if you do need them someday, you can apt-get install them again |
| 21:47.21 | Zyk0tiK|Work | true enough i guess |
| 21:47.37 | Zyk0tiK|Work | can't you just do an apt-get remove kernel-headers or whatever? |
| 21:47.43 | leku | maybe |
| 21:47.47 | leku | do dpkg -l |grep kernel |
| 21:47.49 | leku | and find the name of it and remove it |
| 21:50.12 | Elive_user | eheheh whait, i'm a noob... :). so the kernel sourse is indispensable? if i remove it, some programs will nor runs well? |
| 21:50.53 | withoutclass | apt-get removing the headers is an easier thing.. |
| 21:51.51 | Elive_user | what are the headers? |
| 21:51.58 | leku | no |
| 21:52.00 | leku | you can run with out them |
| 21:52.09 | leku | you may not be able to compile some things but |
| 21:52.10 | leku | if you are new to this |
| 21:52.17 | leku | you probably won't be compiling much anyways, you'll use apt-get |
| 21:52.48 | Elive_user | i can compile a kernel:P |
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| 21:56.14 | os|BoRReT | hello, i have just installed ELIVE E17, and i can't find the GUI to change mousesensitivity or turn off pc-speaker, i tried the xset command which works, but i don't know how to save it to the next session, what van I do? |
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| 21:56.33 | leku | ucan put your xset commands in .xinitrc I believe |
| 21:56.48 | withoutclass | os|BoRReT, turn off your speakers through alsa mixer |
| 21:56.59 | withoutclass | it is this amazing option called "mute" |
| 21:57.10 | os|BoRReT | yes, but that doesn't work |
| 21:57.20 | withoutclass | O_o |
| 21:57.26 | withoutclass | what part do you have muted? |
| 21:58.09 | os|BoRReT | PC Speak |
| 21:58.28 | os|BoRReT | still beeps when xchat gets mess and on type-o |
| 21:58.30 | withoutclass | why not master |
| 21:58.47 | Elive_user | thanks guy!!!bye:) |
| 21:58.58 | withoutclass | he has a name! |
| 21:59.03 | withoutclass | i dont think it is guy either |
| 21:59.04 | os|BoRReT | I wan't the rest of my sound but not the hardware pc-speaker |
| 21:59.47 | os|BoRReT | + that doesn't even work, still beeps |
| 21:59.56 | Elive_user | speak to me? |
| 22:02.23 | leku | dear lord |
| 22:02.31 | leku | is there a better mirror to get elive stuff from then idefix.eup.uva.es? |
| 22:02.49 | os|BoRReT | .xinitrc i've already tried |
| 22:03.28 | os|BoRReT | maybe i made a mistake, i'll try again, thx, bye |
| 22:05.11 | withoutclass | leku, why, updating? what speed? |
| 22:05.58 | withoutclass | leku, edit /etc/apt/sources.list at the top, comment out idefix, and uncomment vobcopy |
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| 22:10.45 | leku | thanks man |
| 22:10.49 | leku | shoudl have figured that out my self |
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| 22:19.05 | withoutclass | leku, its ok :P |
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| 22:20.09 | eManu | saludos !! |
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| 22:38.40 | os|BoRReT | hello, how do I do I make the command for mouse acceleration and so on, to run on startup, I've tried to put "xset 1 1" in .xinitrc but it doesn't work |
| 22:40.49 | withoutclass | perhaps this is a better "general linux" question |
| 22:40.54 | withoutclass | not necessarily elive |
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| 22:55.33 | withoutclass | wooo hoooo |
| 22:55.35 | withoutclass | finished my program |
| 22:56.04 | errorlog | elive is really nice :) |
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| 22:58.53 | withoutclass | errorlog, yes =D |
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| 23:27.26 | withoutclass | man, i want to make my terminal windows borderless, but then i cant resize them in e17 :( |
| 23:29.52 | pr0t0cod7 | withoutclass: Alt+Middle click |
| 23:30.18 | withoutclass | apt cookie pr0t0cod7 |
| 23:30.31 | pr0t0cod7 | xD |
| 23:30.32 | withoutclass | uhh |
| 23:30.34 | withoutclass | lmao |
| 23:30.49 | withoutclass | apt bad apt |
| 23:30.50 | apt | Bad apt, bad! No cookie for you! |
| 23:32.19 | withoutclass | dang, no roxville aroun |
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| 23:38.35 | GPLGeek | Somone asked me to do some game programming and I realized that it's been so long since I have programmed that I dont even know c++ anymore LOL |
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| 23:39.20 | SamChi | use C, not c++ |
| 23:39.41 | GPLGeek | c++ has a lot of advantages |
| 23:42.21 | withoutclass | c++ ftw |
| 23:44.52 | GPLGeek | It's actually C/C++ since it has full backward compatability |
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| 23:45.58 | Elive_user47 | Wow, this is beautiful |
| 23:46.36 | Elive_user47 | I'm really impressed. |
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| 23:47.27 | GPLGeek | I'm happy |
| 23:47.51 | GPLGeek | did everything go well for you |
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| 23:48.52 | eManu | Elive_user47 , visit http://www0.get-e.org/Themes/E17/ |
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