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`00:02.08`	`Eagle-1`	`hmmm... no Eterm in elivecd?`
`00:03.07`	`dererk`	`of course yes`
`00:04.38`	`Eagle-1`	`how can i set it in e17, terminal manager?`
`00:06.20`	`Eagle-1`	`the box in it rotates then nothing back to elive panel start`
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`00:44.30`	`Thanatermesis`	`_H_, cuando recibas las revistas, si te sobra una me podrias pasar una "extra" para mandarle a una persona especial ? ;)`
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`01:04.36`	`dererk`	`Thanatermesis, todos quieren saber quien es esa persona especial, tio!`
`01:06.32`	`Thanatermesis`	`para empezar no es un hombre :P`
`01:06.41`	`dererk`	`¿?`
`01:06.42`	`dererk`	`lol`
`01:06.52`	`Thanatermesis`	`ya dije "especial" ;)`
`01:06.57`	`dererk`	`pues, ya se`
`01:07.06`	`dererk`	`No has visto la foto de él tirado en el escritorio`
`01:07.10`	`dererk`	`OBVIO que no es un hombre`
`01:07.10`	`dererk`	`xD`
`01:07.26`	`Thanatermesis`	`bah, dejalo xD`
`01:07.32`	`dererk`	`O_o`
`01:07.36`	`Thanatermesis`	`es una persona que conozco de hace años`
`01:07.49`	`Thanatermesis`	`bueno, desde que eramos pequeños`
`01:08.24`	`dererk`	`Claro, Bill`
`01:08.35`	`dererk`	`Tienen casi la misma edad uds 2`
`01:08.36`	`dererk`	`xD`
`01:08.56`	`dererk`	`bueno, dejalo [¿?]`
`01:10.23`	`Thanatermesis`	`xD`
`01:10.27`	`Thanatermesis`	`como si fuera tan viejo...`
`01:10.34`	`dererk`	`Ah no?`
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`01:23.51`	`metatux`	`hi@all`
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`02:07.33`	`Eagle-1`	`quick problem on elivecd, the installer doesn't ask about a /boot partition and i had stuff in my /home, most distros ask if you want to format it, this thing just killed it, good thing most of my stuff i have on my server`
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`02:08.32`	`Eagle-1`	`but i love e17 and this even makes e16 rock`
`02:19.27`	`LinuxNIT`	`howdy folks`
`02:20.08`	`LinuxNIT`	`FRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDDDOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!`
`02:20.09`	`Eagle-1`	`??`
`02:20.16`	`Eagle-1`	`freedom?`
`02:20.21`	`LinuxNIT`	`finals are over ;)`
`02:20.23`	`LinuxNIT`	`:D`
`02:20.26`	`Eagle-1`	`ah`
`02:20.27`	`Eagle-1`	`nice`
`02:20.32`	`LinuxNIT`	`yeah it is`
`02:20.34`	`LinuxNIT`	`lol`
`02:21.03`	`Eagle-1`	`you graduating? or more next yr?`
`02:21.08`	`Eagle-1`	`heh`
`02:21.22`	`LinuxNIT`	`more next year`
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`02:21.32`	`LinuxNIT`	`Eagle-1, as for you questions....`
`02:21.50`	`LinuxNIT`	`i believe the next release has the option to save your ./home partition`
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`02:21.58`	`LinuxNIT`	`minux the .`
`02:22.01`	`LinuxNIT`	`:D`
`02:22.02`	`Eagle-1`	`oh nice to know that now`
`02:22.03`	`Eagle-1`	`lol`
`02:22.16`	`Elive_user20`	`what do i use to make a persistant /home ?`
`02:22.27`	`LinuxNIT`	`imnot sure about a /boot partition`
`02:22.42`	`LinuxNIT`	`persistant?`
`02:23.42`	`Elive_user20`	`yeah like when i boot it uses my persistant /home rather than making me a new one`
`02:24.06`	`Eagle-1`	`LinuxNIT, well reason i ask about /boot is i have a hda and hdb, put /boot on a so i can use b too w/o problems`
`02:24.16`	`Elive_user20`	`knoppix uses an iso image`
`02:25.05`	`LinuxNIT`	`<PROTECTED>`
`02:25.10`	`LinuxNIT`	`i just remebered`
`02:25.33`	`Eagle-1`	`it does?`
`02:25.33`	`LinuxNIT`	`it should as if you want to create a separate partition for /home or something else`
`02:25.45`	`Elive_user20`	`i'm not installing`
`02:25.53`	`Eagle-1`	`just has /usr /var and /home`
`02:26.01`	`LinuxNIT`	`oh`
`02:26.02`	`Elive_user20`	`but when i start it says i can have a persistant /home`
`02:26.03`	`LinuxNIT`	`hehe`
`02:26.14`	`Elive_user20`	`how do i set it up`
`02:26.16`	`Elive_user20`	`:D`
`02:26.18`	`Eagle-1`	`not sure why you would make /usr seperate from / anyway thou`
`02:26.28`	`Elive_user20`	`security`
`02:26.40`	`Eagle-1`	`since some /usr/sbin stuff is prob needed at boot`
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`02:26.55`	`LinuxNIT`	`well im not sure... the next release may have it`
`02:26.57`	`LinuxNIT`	`but i dont know`
`02:27.10`	`Elive_user20`	`GPLGeek, you there?`
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`02:27.24`	`LinuxNIT`	`its been a while since i installed the dev version and i dont do dev work so..... ;)`
`02:27.28`	`Eagle-1`	`not a prob i can just edit the fstab and move the stuff in /boot... hopefully`
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`02:28.03`	`LinuxNIT`	`i would think that would work`
`02:28.25`	`Eagle-1`	`if not i'll just wait for next release`
`02:28.56`	`LinuxNIT`	`ask GPLGeek or Thanatermesis to see if that is on the next release`
`02:30.13`	`LinuxNIT`	`;)`
`02:30.25`	`Thanatermesis`	`well.. add a /boot on the installer is a special and delicated thing... but not really needed, for what is good (since the kernel supports the file-system of root) to add this /boot ?`
`02:34.12`	`Eagle-1`	`Thanashiba, if you use /boot partions can have the kernel in there and / on another partition, can have serveral distro's use same /boot`
`02:35.22`	`GPLGeek`	`ok pong...`
`02:35.28`	`GPLGeek`	`what did you need in next release?`
`02:36.46`	`GPLGeek`	`oh I think you can make /boot`
`02:37.04`	`Eagle-1`	`also works well if you have hda and hdb and some systems want /boot on the 1st drive`
`02:37.10`	`GPLGeek`	`ya`
`02:37.22`	`metatux`	`i'm about to install elive`
`02:37.28`	`GPLGeek`	`well you know how it asks you if you want to make whatever directories`
`02:37.40`	`GPLGeek`	`you can just specifiy /boot can't you?`
`02:37.58`	`GPLGeek`	`it just need to be partitioned`
`02:38.06`	`GPLGeek`	`32M or 64M should be large enough`
`02:38.34`	`Eagle-1`	`yeah but it didn't give me the option, just /home /var /usr`
`02:38.43`	`Eagle-1`	`i think can double check`
`02:39.25`	`GPLGeek`	`you can just cp /boot/* /mnt/hda1/boot/`
`02:39.35`	`GPLGeek`	`or wherever its located`
`02:39.43`	`Eagle-1`	`yesh`
`02:39.45`	`GPLGeek`	`you can just cp /boot/* /mnt/hda1/`
`02:39.54`	`Eagle-1`	`then edit the fstab`
`02:40.04`	`GPLGeek`	`I do think you can do it in the installer though`
`02:40.22`	`Eagle-1`	`checking`
`02:41.00`	`GPLGeek`	`a friend of mine has a strange setup. all of his disks are encrypted and permissions are set. he has to put in a USB pen drive to boot. It's his "key" lol`
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`02:41.35`	`dererk`	`it's not strange`
`02:42.24`	`dererk`	`in fact, here, on BA, IBM personal desktops only gets activated with a regular pendrive`
`02:42.44`	`Eagle-1`	`nope can't do /boot`
`02:42.58`	`dererk`	`which has some files encrypted which are loaded but the Session Manager`
`02:44.14`	`metatux`	`dererk hi`
`02:44.25`	`metatux`	`i'm installing elive right in this moment`
`02:44.39`	`dererk`	`Hi`
`02:44.46`	`dererk`	`Great!`
`02:45.06`	`metatux`	`where can i get themes?`
`02:45.07`	`dererk`	`Be careful not to close the window accidentally :P`
`02:45.15`	`dererk`	`metatux, www.get-e.org`
`02:45.27`	`metatux`	`oh ok so i can use any theme`
`02:45.46`	`dererk`	`and an Elive staff member is gonna put a public theme site too`
`02:45.53`	`GPLGeek`	`sometimes you need to manually symlink some themes`
`02:45.53`	`dererk`	`but not now :)))`
`02:46.05`	`GPLGeek`	`the .4.2 has 2 E's and it can confuse some packages`
`02:46.05`	`dererk`	`metatux, sure`
`02:46.24`	`dererk`	`GPLGeek, what are you talking about?`
`02:46.29`	`GPLGeek`	`themes`
`02:46.32`	`dererk`	`symlink? 2 E's?`
`02:46.35`	`metatux`	`yes i saw 16 an 17`
`02:47.12`	`GPLGeek`	`dererk, some theme installers/zips install to the wrong places.`
`02:47.35`	`dererk`	`Oh, ok, now I understand`
`02:47.40`	`dererk`	`Yes, sometimes`
`02:47.46`	`GPLGeek`	`ln -s to whatever paths`
`02:48.12`	`GPLGeek`	`I swear I love symlinks more than beer`
`02:48.27`	`GPLGeek`	`Makes it way easy on *nix`
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`02:49.15`	`refused`	`s'cuse me but I've a little problem`
`02:49.18`	`metatux`	`omg the installation is just very slow`
`02:49.23`	`Thanatermesis`	`Eagle-1, yes... but for what is good to have the kernel in a /boot diferent ?`
`02:49.37`	`dererk`	`metatux, I assume you chose the slow installation`
`02:49.50`	`dererk`	`metatux, there are 2 installation ways`
`02:50.15`	`metatux`	`yes because as i know reiserfs is not good for laptops`
`02:50.19`	`Thanatermesis`	`metatux, well.. the installer of the next release install's around 5 minutes =)`
`02:50.33`	`Eagle-1`	`Thanashiba, if you have 2 harddrives if you install on the second drive some systems don't like to boot from the second drive so would need a /boot on the first drive`
`02:50.43`	`dererk`	`metatux, don't share that opinion`
`02:50.54`	`Thanatermesis`	`metatux, no.. not is reiserfs related... well, not really, is a problem of unionfs and find, not is very compatible... is "slow" :)`
`02:51.16`	`Thanatermesis`	`oh.. i understand Eagle-1`
`02:51.18`	`metatux`	`yah`
`02:51.20`	`metatux`	`it is`
`02:51.39`	`metatux`	`so i prefere to use ext3 or xfs already is very good`
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`02:51.45`	`metatux`	`and quite fast`
`02:51.51`	`Thanatermesis`	`well... i add it on my TODO for the posibility of add the feature.. but i don't guarantee anything :) is a delicated thing where i need to look all the rest of the parts just for this`
`02:52.08`	`dererk`	`Its a completely different FS though`
`02:52.10`	`refused`	`I have'nt found drivers for my graphic card VIA/S3G KN400/KM400 (for linux), anyone can help me?`
`02:52.11`	`Eagle-1`	`Thanashiba, ok i can work around it`
`02:52.21`	`metatux`	`i use xfs on zenwalk`
`02:52.29`	`metatux`	`and it runs pretty good and fast`
`02:52.34`	`dererk`	`you can't say Apples are better than cars, can you?`
`02:52.45`	`metatux`	`and the jounaling is a bit better`
`02:52.56`	`Thanatermesis`	`Eagle-1, if you send me a example of menu.lst using this conf, is good :)`
`02:53.01`	`metatux`	`not better but difrent`
`02:53.03`	`dererk`	`Reiser is saffer`
`02:53.19`	`dererk`	`but, It's not my opinion`
`02:53.23`	`metatux`	`saffer?`
`02:53.30`	`dererk`	`safer*`
`02:53.45`	`dererk`	`safer*`
`02:53.56`	`Eagle-1`	`Thanashiba, ok not a problem`
`02:54.24`	`revdjenk`	`g'evening everyone`
`02:54.46`	`dererk`	`Good one Reverend`
`02:54.47`	`dererk`	`:)`
`02:55.07`	`revdjenk`	`Thanatermesis, is there a way to change the sensitivity of the touchpad?`
`02:55.13`	`revdjenk`	`hey dererk !!`
`02:56.08`	`revdjenk`	`how's the elivist tonight?`
`02:56.15`	`dererk`	`lol`
`02:56.34`	`Thanatermesis`	`revdjenk, well... yes`
`02:56.42`	`revdjenk`	`don`
`02:56.54`	`Thanatermesis`	`the configurations of the graphical system of linux is very complete :)`
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`02:57.04`	`Thanatermesis`	`i think to with a line same to i use...`
`02:57.06`	`revdjenk`	`don't say elpanel...where is it?`
`02:57.12`	`Thanatermesis`	`revdjenk, edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf`
`02:57.29`	`Thanatermesis`	`<PROTECTED>`
`02:57.31`	`revdjenk`	`ok...I will check that`
`02:57.33`	`Thanatermesis`	`try to add a similar line`
`02:57.40`	`Thanatermesis`	`in the section of the mouse`
`02:57.45`	`Thanatermesis`	`i think to you have 3 sections for the mouse`
`02:57.52`	`Thanatermesis`	`just put the line on those sections`
`02:58.08`	`revdjenk`	`thank you!!! jets passing over head have moved my pointer!`
`02:58.12`	`Thanatermesis`	`and reload totally your X system (exit from it and "control + alt + backspace" on entrance)`
`02:58.31`	`Thanatermesis`	`then just play with the number 800 for change the sensivity`
`02:58.40`	`Thanatermesis`	`im not sure if is the sensivity part but... try it :)`
`02:59.12`	`Thanatermesis`	`i think to sinplomo knows a graphical application for this... i need to add a similar thing on elpaneld`
`02:59.39`	`Eagle-1`	`Thanashiba, kernel (hd0,0)/boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/hdb1 ro from other distro`
`03:00.03`	`Thanatermesis`	`well.. can you posible to send me by email Eagle-1 ?`
`03:00.10`	`revdjenk`	`thanx Thanatermesis and hope you have a most wonderful trip back home!!`
`03:00.28`	`Eagle-1`	`Thanashiba, oh sure... that on the site?`
`03:01.41`	`Thanatermesis`	`:)`
`03:01.53`	`Thanatermesis`	`Eagle-1, to development AT thanatermesis.org`
`03:02.14`	`Eagle-1`	`ah ok`
`03:03.02`	`metatux`	`how much time is requiered to install this release?ß`
`03:07.05`	`Thanatermesis`	`metatux, well... if you select the "fast mode" when it ask's, it installs really more fast`
`03:07.21`	`Thanatermesis`	`what version of Elive you are installing ?`
`03:11.21`	`metatux`	`the 0.4.2`
`03:11.39`	`metatux`	`is the actual one right??`
`03:11.58`	`dererk`	`Yes`
`03:12.14`	`metatux`	`k`
`03:14.46`	`dererk`	`wasynyt, good morning!`
`03:14.47`	`dererk`	`:D`
`03:15.00`	`wasynyt`	`good morning dererk`
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`03:15.26`	`wasynyt`	`thanks GPLGeek`
`03:15.28`	`dererk`	`lol`
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`03:15.57`	`GPLGeek`	`stupid question, can elive read .chm files?`
`03:16.05`	`dererk`	`wasynyt, is GPLGeek somekind of keyskepper? :PPP`
`03:16.09`	`GPLGeek`	`I know its a /ghasp/ windows help file`
`03:16.18`	`dererk`	`GPLGeek, :P`
`03:16.23`	`GPLGeek`	`but some ebooks for school come in .chm`
`03:16.27`	`revdjenk`	`Thanatermesis, I used Resolution of 600...and that seems about right for me...thank you!!!`
`03:18.05`	`dererk`	`wasynyt, D:`
`03:18.09`	`metatux`	`wow the installation is really slow`
`03:18.47`	`GPLGeek`	`I never had the slow install problem, I feel left out`
`03:19.01`	`revdjenk`	`hey quamaretto ! welcome`
`03:19.09`	`quamaretto`	`Anyone have some magic for getting the linux-wlan-ng-module-xxxxx installed without compiling it?`
`03:19.13`	`GPLGeek`	`metatux, it's because the installer uses finds, there is a mode that does not use it and installs faster.`
`03:19.26`	`quamaretto`	`Hiyo revdjenk`
`03:19.35`	`quamaretto`	`Did I flame you in another life or something?`
`03:19.49`	`revdjenk`	`no...first we've met, I think`
`03:19.52`	`metatux`	`yes i know but it's using reiserfs`
`03:20.00`	`metatux`	`i prefer ext3`
`03:20.35`	`revdjenk`	`which module are you needing quamaretto ?`
`03:21.22`	`Thanatermesis`	`is a problem of unionfs and find... use the fast mode if you try the installation again`
`03:21.25`	`revdjenk`	`hey wasynyt not working or asleep!!!`
`03:21.31`	`wasynyt`	`not yet`
`03:21.48`	`revdjenk`	`you have an hour or so!`
`03:21.51`	`quamaretto`	`I don't know... the linux-wlan-ng-module that would work with 2.6.12-11`
`03:21.57`	`wasynyt`	`30 mins :(`
`03:22.03`	`revdjenk`	`oh no`
`03:22.22`	`revdjenk`	`quamaretto, sorry I don't know that...maybe GPLGeek could help`
`03:22.45`	`quamaretto`	`I'll probably just recompile anyhow... thanks though`
`03:23.49`	`revdjenk`	`oh, wait. quamaretto you don't know what driver you need or what your wifi card is?`
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`03:24.33`	`Elive_user14`	`lol`
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`03:24.56`	`quamaretto`	`It's a U.S. Robotics, it has the Prism chipset (the one in linux-wlan-ng-module...)`
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`03:25.30`	`revdjenk`	`have you activated it in elpanel?`
`03:25.32`	`wasynyt`	`hmm ?`
`03:26.16`	`quamaretto`	`Which part of elpanel?`
`03:26.22`	`revdjenk`	`he cleaned out half of #elive`
`03:27.10`	`revdjenk`	`the 'keys' in the middle on the far left is the network configure`
`03:28.08`	`revdjenk`	`click on the keys, then choose middle icon on far left`
`03:28.33`	`revdjenk`	`this is for eth0, correct`
`03:28.54`	`revdjenk`	`see if eth0 is activated`
`03:28.56`	`quamaretto`	`No, eth0 is in this case the plain old ethernet coming out the back`
`03:29.07`	`quamaretto`	`Which is clearly working (that's this computer)`
`03:29.26`	`quamaretto`	`(Hold on, I'm going to reboot`
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`03:38.36`	`revdjenk`	`quamaretto, well...`
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`03:39.27`	`metatux`	`dererk`
`03:39.36`	`dererk`	`metatux`
`03:39.43`	`metatux`	`elive is a pure debian? or a dirty hack?`
`03:40.11`	`dererk`	`revdjenk, Catch ya!`
`03:40.22`	`dererk`	`metatux, it's Debian core`
`03:40.31`	`metatux`	`ok n1`
`03:40.56`	`dererk`	`but many packages are built from the scratch`
`03:41.04`	`metatux`	`oh and tell me gererk it's sarge or what?`
`03:41.11`	`dererk`	`as the whole e17 stuff`
`03:41.21`	`dererk`	`Etch`
`03:41.26`	`dererk`	`Testing branch`
`03:41.33`	`metatux`	`but i can make any upgrade without probs?`
`03:41.36`	`dererk`	`The best Debian offers`
`03:41.39`	`metatux`	`oh it's etch`
`03:41.46`	`metatux`	`i din't know that`
`03:41.54`	`dererk`	`you can upgrade without troubles, yes, but`
`03:42.00`	`metatux`	`so there are no security patches`
`03:42.04`	`dererk`	`you ALWAYS have to have a Elive source`
`03:42.25`	`dererk`	`always`
`03:42.32`	`metatux`	`??`
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`03:42.39`	`metatux`	`ah ok`
`03:42.52`	`revdjenk`	`yes, I did that once with reg Debian upgrade...confusion and crash`
`03:42.55`	`dererk`	`Yes, there are security upgrades as regular debian repo`
`03:43.16`	`dererk`	`s/as/and/`
`03:43.25`	`dererk`	`apt, thanks`
`03:43.25`	`apt`	`dererk: bitte`
`03:43.49`	`dererk`	`metatux, got that?`
`03:44.01`	`dererk`	`Elive and Debian repos always!`
`03:44.02`	`dererk`	`:)`
`03:44.23`	`dererk`	`for example:`
`03:44.24`	`dererk`	`deb http://ftp.br.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free`
`03:44.26`	`metatux`	`dererk yes but as i know testing-branch does not have security-update`
`03:44.27`	`metatux`	`s`
`03:44.31`	`dererk`	`deb http://idefix.eup.uva.es/elive elive main efl eliv`
`03:44.45`	`dererk`	`That's the minimal lines needed`
`03:44.56`	`metatux`	`these are not included ?`
`03:44.57`	`dererk`	`s/That's/Those are/`
`03:45.02`	`metatux`	`the repos?`
`03:45.10`	`dererk`	`metatux, yes! xD`
`03:45.12`	`dererk`	`Sure!`
`03:45.16`	`metatux`	`ah ok`
`03:45.17`	`dererk`	`but I was just explain it clearly`
`03:45.37`	`dererk`	`revdjenk, Catch ya again!!!`
`03:45.47`	`dererk`	`;D`
`03:46.15`	`revdjenk`	`not it`
`03:46.42`	`dererk`	`no what?`
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`03:47.26`	`dererk`	`apt, hiya Thanashiba`
`03:47.33`	`dererk`	`apt, hiya`
`03:47.34`	`apt`	`ACTION jumps to dererk back`
`03:47.37`	`revdjenk`	`it is a tag game remark`
`03:47.37`	`dererk`	`lol`
`03:47.52`	`dererk`	`don't know it, revdjenk`
`03:48.02`	`revdjenk`	`I could tell`
`03:48.27`	`revdjenk`	`you chase someone, and tap them , then say 'not it'`
`03:48.53`	`wasynyt_work`	`see you later`
`03:48.57`	`revdjenk`	`bye wasynyt_work`
`03:48.57`	`dererk`	`wasynyt_work, !`
`03:49.01`	`dererk`	`wasynyt_work, have fun! :)`
`03:49.08`	`wasynyt_work`	`nope i wont`
`03:49.13`	`revdjenk`	`hee hee`
`03:49.39`	`dererk`	`wasynyt_work, :(`
`03:49.44`	`dererk`	`wasynyt_work, once more! :)`
`03:49.48`	`dererk`	`do it! :D`
`03:49.55`	`dererk`	`:(`
`03:49.58`	`metatux`	`so debian has changed the rules about security updates??`
`03:49.59`	`wasynyt_work`	`perhaps later today`
`03:50.02`	`revdjenk`	`not at dererk`
`03:50.16`	`dererk`	`what you mean, metatux ?`
`03:50.26`	`dererk`	`revdjenk, wasynyt_work have just broke my heart :(`
`03:50.28`	`metatux`	`<PROTECTED>`
`03:50.43`	`revdjenk`	`where are you?`
`03:50.49`	`metatux`	`before there were no security update in testing`
`03:51.10`	`dererk`	`metatux, :0000`
`03:51.16`	`dererk`	`WTF are you in ?`
`03:51.55`	`dererk`	`metatux, ...`
`03:52.05`	`dererk`	`don't take us the breath!`
`03:52.26`	`dererk`	`:\`
`03:54.04`	`metatux`	`i'm in peru`
`03:54.05`	`metatux`	`lima`
`03:54.55`	`revdjenk`	`are you ok? how bad was it? I was in San Francisco in 1989 for one...and know how upsetting they can be.`
`03:55.13`	`metatux`	`it was just slow but enough to move all here`
`03:55.22`	`metatux`	`but i'm ok.`
`03:55.42`	`dererk`	`So WTF are we talking in english metatux!`
`03:55.43`	`dererk`	`Joer!`
`03:55.53`	`dererk`	`Si ambos hablamos español ! XD`
`03:55.58`	`metatux`	`right today i'm one year maried with my wife :D`
`03:56.05`	`metatux`	`jaja`
`03:56.11`	`metatux`	`que bien`
`03:56.14`	`metatux`	`de donde eres?`
`03:56.24`	`dererk`	`aunque me no hablar mucho espanol`
`03:56.37`	`metatux`	`ah ya`
`03:56.37`	`dererk`	`yo hablar solo a bit of espanol`
`03:56.39`	`revdjenk`	`happy anniversary!! why are you talking to us?! Go be with your wife`
`03:56.45`	`metatux`	`de donde eres??`
`03:56.50`	`dererk`	`:P`
`03:56.59`	`dererk`	`De BuenosAires`
`03:57.02`	`metatux`	`revdjenk i'm linux-adicted`
`03:57.04`	`metatux`	`lol`
`03:57.06`	`revdjenk`	`dererk, the SAmerican elivist`
`03:57.13`	`revdjenk`	`hee hee`
`03:57.13`	`dererk`	`:P`
`03:57.22`	`metatux`	`dererk y no hablas bien siendo de Buenos Aires??`
`03:57.31`	`dererk`	`revdjenk the Elive Reverend`
`03:57.32`	`dererk`	`:P`
`03:57.34`	`dererk`	`hee hee`
`03:57.34`	`metatux`	`o vives allá pero eres de otro lado?`
`03:57.35`	`dererk`	`XD`
`03:57.41`	`revdjenk`	`elive chaplain`
`03:57.55`	`dererk`	`metatux, ahora estoy en BA.`
`03:58.07`	`metatux`	`pero eres de ....?`
`03:58.10`	`dererk`	`pero la mayor parte del tiempo estoy en BA o en Br`
`03:58.17`	`dererk`	`BA`
`03:58.26`	`metatux`	`ah osea si eres argentino`
`03:58.35`	`metatux`	`vos sos argentino`
`03:58.38`	`metatux`	`:D`
`03:58.41`	`dererk`	`En realidad soy Italoirlando argentino`
`03:58.42`	`dererk`	`:)`
`03:58.52`	`metatux`	`ahh ya`
`03:58.55`	`metatux`	`yo soy aleman`
`03:58.56`	`metatux`	`:S`
`03:59.00`	`metatux`	`:D`
`03:59.06`	`dererk`	`lol`
`03:59.09`	`metatux`	`pero vivo con mi esposa acá`
`03:59.18`	`dererk`	`Ah si?`
`03:59.25`	`dererk`	`Mira, que bien!`
`03:59.26`	`metatux`	`si :D`
`03:59.30`	`dererk`	`de que parte de Alemania eres?`
`03:59.38`	`metatux`	`frankfurt`
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`03:59.43`	`dererk`	`LOL!`
`03:59.55`	`dererk`	`metatux, Mi ex novia esta AHORA llegando alli`
`04:00.02`	`dererk`	`o en 1 hora maximo`
`04:00.14`	`dererk`	`que mundo pequeño xD`
`04:00.24`	`metatux`	`ah ya pues está llegando justo para primavera`
`04:00.30`	`dererk`	`apt, exterminate Thanashiba`
`04:00.32`	`metatux`	`si eso parece`
`04:00.36`	`metatux`	`lol`
`04:00.38`	`dererk`	`apt, rip Thanashiba`
`04:00.39`	`apt`	`ACTION takes Thanashiba and acts as Jack The Ripper`
`04:00.43`	`dererk`	`apt, good bot`
`04:00.43`	`apt`	`dererk: :)`
`04:01.20`	`dererk`	`let's keep talking in english, as revdjenk may be about to logoff :P`
`04:01.32`	`metatux`	`yah ok`
`04:01.45`	`dererk`	`How old are you?`
`04:02.05`	`metatux`	`34 you?`
`04:02.16`	`dererk`	`lol, you are like a granny :P`
`04:02.26`	`dererk`	`26 :-\`
`04:02.32`	`metatux`	`ah ok`
`04:02.41`	`revdjenk`	`heehee`
`04:02.47`	`dererk`	`about to reach the third decade of my pissed off life :-\`
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`04:03.19`	`revdjenk`	`mi speeka un poco`
`04:03.37`	`dererk`	`LOL`
`04:03.40`	`dererk`	`NOT a bear!`
`04:03.45`	`dererk`	`just a beer! xDDDD`
`04:04.00`	`dererk`	`revdjenk, good!`
`04:04.03`	`revdjenk`	`los tres ojos`
`04:04.08`	`revdjenk`	`<PROTECTED>`
`04:04.08`	`dererk`	`LMAO!`
`04:04.21`	`dererk`	`That's all you know, right?`
`04:04.25`	`dererk`	`or, sort of? XD`
`04:04.37`	`revdjenk`	`too many servesas`
`04:05.07`	`dererk`	`:-\`
`04:05.21`	`metatux`	`rofl`
`04:05.42`	`revdjenk`	`apt time-to`
`04:05.44`	`apt`	`from memory, time-to is its HAMBRITA TIME!!!`
`04:05.47`	`dererk`	`jua`
`04:05.57`	`metatux`	`there are no earthquakes in argentina?`
`04:06.10`	`dererk`	`not since 1950's`
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`04:06.27`	`revdjenk`	`sent to the malvenas`
`04:06.30`	`revdjenk`	`hee hee`
`04:06.36`	`dererk`	`sorry, 1940's`
`04:06.44`	`dererk`	`1944 to be`
`04:06.49`	`dererk`	`1944 to be exact`
`04:07.00`	`dererk`	`revdjenk, ?`
`04:07.21`	`revdjenk`	`well, I could have said Faulklands`
`04:07.22`	`dererk`	`keep speaking english for god lord! XD`
`04:07.54`	`dererk`	`It's Fuckland xD`
`04:08.00`	`revdjenk`	`LOL`
`04:08.08`	`revdjenk`	`say three hail mary's`
`04:08.27`	`revdjenk`	`more sheep than ppl anyway`
`04:08.34`	`dererk`	`in fact`
`04:08.44`	`dererk`	`It's the Falkland islands`
`04:08.50`	`revdjenk`	`thnx`
`04:08.59`	`revdjenk`	`malvenas = Falkland`
`04:09.06`	`dererk`	`Not really`
`04:09.09`	`revdjenk`	`oh`
`04:09.14`	`dererk`	`<PROTECTED>`
`04:09.17`	`dererk`	`there`
`04:09.25`	`revdjenk`	`Malvinas thanx`
`04:09.32`	`dererk`	`your welcome`
`04:09.42`	`revdjenk`	`that's why I should stick to English`
`04:09.56`	`dererk`	`hee hee`
`04:10.00`	`dererk`	`:P`
`04:10.47`	`revdjenk`	`I once saw some kids in a tree in El Salvador, and said... perro (meaning pajaro s?)`
`04:10.55`	`revdjenk`	`sp?`
`04:11.00`	`dererk`	`LMAO!!!!!!!!!!`
`04:11.11`	`revdjenk`	`they started barking...I was confused`
`04:11.20`	`metatux`	`revdjenk where are you from?`
`04:11.21`	`dererk`	`what's sp mean?`
`04:11.35`	`dererk`	`metatux, yankeelandia :P`
`04:11.38`	`revdjenk`	`short for spelling...did I spell pajaro correctly`
`04:11.42`	`metatux`	`lol`
`04:11.52`	`metatux`	`yes you did`
`04:11.54`	`dererk`	`what's sp mean?`
`04:12.08`	`revdjenk`	`OHio. Mich. Calif. Pennsylvania`
`04:12.10`	`metatux`	`damn my english sux`
`04:12.21`	`dererk`	`metatux, don't have a cow`
`04:12.24`	`revdjenk`	`sp is short for spellig`
`04:12.26`	`dererk`	`Mine too`
`04:12.27`	`dererk`	`xD`
`04:12.34`	`dererk`	`Ah`
`04:12.36`	`revdjenk`	`I don't think so...`
`04:12.38`	`dererk`	`Thanks :)`
`04:12.43`	`metatux`	`no your's just better`
`04:12.48`	`dererk`	`don't think what?`
`04:13.00`	`dererk`	`lol`
`04:13.11`	`revdjenk`	`I think your english is fine`
`04:13.14`	`revdjenk`	`both of you`
`04:13.19`	`metatux`	`i didn't practice for a long time`
`04:13.27`	`metatux`	`thx`
`04:13.28`	`dererk`	`no, I'm talking about something else`
`04:13.37`	`dererk`	`Yeah, your's it's not but metatux !`
`04:14.06`	`dererk`	`I just remember a funny saturday dance out`
`04:14.16`	`metatux`	`but in germany we all learn english well but i don't practice enough so ... Ô_ô`
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`04:14.19`	`dererk`	`Yeah, your's it's not bad* metatux ! :P`
`04:14.35`	`revdjenk`	`you probably learned English english`
`04:14.36`	`metatux`	`thx i hope so`
`04:14.49`	`metatux`	`wow now it seems to be in 50%`
`04:14.59`	`metatux`	`1.5 hours later :D`
`04:14.59`	`dererk`	`want to know a funny story with my english issues?`
`04:15.05`	`revdjenk`	`yes`
`04:15.08`	`metatux`	`go ahead`
`04:15.28`	`dererk`	`once, some friends and I went out a saturday`
`04:15.41`	`dererk`	`It's a well known touristic pub`
`04:15.51`	`dererk`	`so, I met a NY girl`
`04:16.01`	`dererk`	`everything was just cool`
`04:16.06`	`dererk`	`since`
`04:16.16`	`dererk`	`s/since/untill/`
`04:16.27`	`dererk`	`roxville, sleep well!`
`04:16.34`	`dererk`	`so`
`04:17.00`	`dererk`	`everything was just cool until I asked If she was there alone`
`04:17.11`	`dererk`	`bad idea`
`04:17.21`	`dererk`	`She was with his boyfriend`
`04:17.27`	`dererk`	`then I asked`
`04:17.40`	`dererk`	`"So, why are you here dancing with me?"`
`04:17.52`	`dererk`	`and I don't know why`
`04:17.59`	`dererk`	`I understood`
`04:18.08`	`dererk`	`"I was kidding"`
`04:18.21`	`dererk`	`when she meant`
`04:18.35`	`dererk`	`"I was cheating"`
`04:18.41`	`dererk`	`"I was cheating" [him]`
`04:18.48`	`dererk`	`:-S`
`04:18.53`	`metatux`	`lol`
`04:20.15`	`dererk`	`I got a huge knock`
`04:20.53`	`revdjenk`	`cheadding us again, dererk ? :)`
`04:21.07`	`revdjenk`	`you were correct the first time`
`04:21.22`	`revdjenk`	`will not = won't`
`04:21.33`	`dererk`	`what's cheadding ?`
`04:21.41`	`revdjenk`	`cheating and kidding`
`04:21.50`	`revdjenk`	`jejeje`
`04:22.00`	`revdjenk`	`a bad mixture`
`04:22.41`	`dererk`	`I see`
`04:22.44`	`revdjenk`	`joke`
`04:23.05`	`dererk`	`well, It's not a funny story now I tell it`
`04:23.22`	`dererk`	`Indeed, It was not even funny at that moment`
`04:23.32`	`revdjenk`	`hey metatux , I haven't seen a report on the quake, yet... just one off of Chile about 12 hrs ago.`
`04:23.33`	`dererk`	`but my friend when mad laughing`
`04:23.51`	`dererk`	`friends*`
`04:24.06`	`revdjenk`	`of course, the girl could have been using you to get back at her boyfriend`
`04:24.14`	`dererk`	`dunno`
`04:24.35`	`dererk`	`It was a tipical stupid blond girl`
`04:24.42`	`dererk`	`but with nice boobs :P`
`04:25.33`	`revdjenk`	`http://tsunami.geo.ed.ac.uk/local-bin/quakes/mapscript/demo_run.pl#`
`04:25.38`	`metatux`	`so the earthquake came from chile to us`
`04:25.48`	`revdjenk`	`well that was too long ago...`
`04:25.55`	`metatux`	`not really`
`04:25.56`	`revdjenk`	`it may not be reported yet..`
`04:26.10`	`dererk`	`surely not`
`04:26.20`	`revdjenk`	`boobs aren't all of a girl...but just to our ojos`
`04:26.26`	`metatux`	`it was just at the moment when i was talking to you guys`
`04:26.40`	`dererk`	`revdjenk, well, of course not`
`04:26.58`	`revdjenk`	`too many osos`
`04:27.02`	`revdjenk`	`hee hee`
`04:27.08`	`dererk`	`lol`
`04:27.08`	`revdjenk`	`bears = beers`
`04:27.35`	`dererk`	`yeah, I catch it :)`
`04:27.55`	`dererk`	`I'm not that noob`
`04:27.57`	`dererk`	`:P`
`04:28.16`	`dererk`	`but, tell me it wasn't funny xD`
`04:28.16`	`revdjenk`	`but i am`
`04:28.32`	`dererk`	`* dererk goes for a bear to the fridge`
`04:28.32`	`dererk`	`<dererk> LOL`
`04:28.32`	`dererk`	`<dererk> NOT a bear!`
`04:28.32`	`dererk`	`<dererk> just a beer! xDDDD`
`04:28.46`	`dererk`	`I still laughing at myself xD`
`04:28.57`	`dererk`	`s/I/I'm/`
`04:30.36`	`dererk`	`apt, look for revdjenk`
`04:30.37`	`apt`	`ACTION catches revdjenk behind the bed`
`04:30.41`	`dererk`	`LOL!`
`04:30.46`	`dererk`	`L O L !`
`04:31.16`	`dererk`	`apt is really funny`
`04:31.51`	`revdjenk`	`I must be very thin?!`
`04:31.56`	`dererk`	`apt aren't you?`
`04:31.58`	`apt`	`yes, I am :P`
`04:32.01`	`dererk`	`xD`
`04:32.09`	`dererk`	`why?`
`04:32.22`	`dererk`	`Oh, got that too :P`
`04:32.38`	`revdjenk`	`yay`
`04:33.48`	`dererk`	`what?`
`04:36.24`	`dererk`	`revdjenk, you're married, right?`
`04:38.19`	`revdjenk`	`metatux, found it...http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/recenteqsww/Maps/10/285_-10.php it was east of you in the 4.0 range!!`
`04:38.26`	`revdjenk`	`dererk, yes`
`04:39.22`	`metatux`	`4 but short`
`04:39.43`	`metatux`	`about 10 seconds`
`04:39.55`	`revdjenk`	`that's about normal for that size...`
`04:40.24`	`metatux`	`it's about 4 hours from here`
`04:40.47`	`revdjenk`	`I was 70 miles from epicenter of the Loma Prieta quake in San Francisco...and that was scary enough...almost a sonic boom to the quake`
`04:41.15`	`metatux`	`wow but the dogs our birds were just crazy at that moment and the dogs just knew it about 5 minutes before`
`04:41.15`	`revdjenk`	`that's good...`
`04:41.52`	`revdjenk`	`don't you wish you would know what they were barking about BEFORE the earthquake?`
`04:43.26`	`revdjenk`	`I had driven over the highway that collapsed just five hours earlier before the quake hit...otherwise I wouldn't be talking with you now!`
`04:44.00`	`metatux`	`wow`
`04:44.05`	`metatux`	`thats scarry`
`04:44.31`	`revdjenk`	`yep, 58 of the deaths were caused by that highway collapse`
`04:48.19`	`revdjenk`	`well...I have to get to bed...going on vacation tomorrow! good night all`
`04:57.08`	`quamaretto`	`kernel.org is crashing FF when I try to get the kernel source o.O;`
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`05:14.05`	`LinuxNIT-II`	`howdy howdy`
`05:14.10`	`LinuxNIT-II`	`:D`
`05:14.12`	`LinuxNIT-II`	`:>`
`05:14.13`	`LinuxNIT-II`	`:)`
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`05:36.24`	`Elive_user82`	`ello`
`05:39.12`	`m0zone`	`question is there a way to redect soundcard so i can configure it :P`
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`05:58.48`	`dererk`	`ppl have no patience at all these days...`
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`06:29.36`	`LinuxNIT-II`	`:-/`
`06:29.40`	`LinuxNIT-II`	`this is true`
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`07:02.40`	`GPLGeek`	`I get to arrest somone tomorrow some time.`
`07:02.48`	`LinuxNIT-II`	`?`
`07:03.08`	`LinuxNIT-II`	`you have that authority?`
`07:03.10`	`GPLGeek`	`Somone stole my brother's wife's cell phone`
`07:03.19`	`LinuxNIT-II`	`uh oh`
`07:03.20`	`GPLGeek`	`they are trying to extort money out of her`
`07:03.35`	`GPLGeek`	`Yes I have that authority`
`07:03.37`	`LinuxNIT-II`	`you know where they are?`
`07:04.01`	`GPLGeek`	`We are going to agree to give them money, we will have her meet them there`
`07:04.08`	`LinuxNIT-II`	`hehehe`
`07:04.13`	`LinuxNIT-II`	`fun`
`07:04.22`	`GPLGeek`	`When they make contact under cover cops pop up =)`
`07:04.31`	`LinuxNIT-II`	`how much do they want?`
`07:04.38`	`GPLGeek`	`100$`
`07:04.45`	`GPLGeek`	`they pickpocketed her`
`07:04.48`	`LinuxNIT-II`	`wow`
`07:05.06`	`GPLGeek`	`We are getting records of who they are calling`
`07:05.09`	`LinuxNIT-II`	`well the bastards are getting what they deserve`
`07:05.11`	`GPLGeek`	`we are going to narrow it down.`
`07:05.18`	`GPLGeek`	`figure out who they called`
`07:05.21`	`GPLGeek`	`if they dont show up`
`07:05.27`	`GPLGeek`	`we have 4 ways to burn them`
`07:05.31`	`LinuxNIT-II`	`hehe`
`07:05.51`	`GPLGeek`	`If I can get to them before the police can I can arrest them with any force needed.`
`07:06.01`	`LinuxNIT-II`	`lol`
`07:06.24`	`GPLGeek`	`LinuxNIT-II, a little.`
`07:06.28`	`LinuxNIT-II`	`lol`
`07:06.34`	`GPLGeek`	`LinuxNIT-II, you are in the USA right?`
`07:06.37`	`LinuxNIT-II`	`yeah`
`07:06.42`	`GPLGeek`	`you should study law`
`07:06.47`	`GPLGeek`	`in college`
`07:06.50`	`GPLGeek`	`it's fun`
`07:06.54`	`GPLGeek`	`to know your rights`
`07:06.57`	`LinuxNIT-II`	`thats what my brother in law is for`
`07:07.21`	`LinuxNIT-II`	`yeah well i didnt know if you meant like a citizens arrest or a cop arrest`
`07:07.23`	`LinuxNIT-II`	`:D`
`07:08.16`	`LinuxNIT-II`	`;)`
`07:08.23`	`GPLGeek`	`All states permit citizen arrests if a felony crime is witnessed by the citizen carrying out the arrest, or when a citizen is asked to help apprehend a suspect by the police.`
`07:09.01`	`GPLGeek`	`In most states its easier than that`
`07:09.25`	`LinuxNIT-II`	`:D`
`07:13.12`	`GPLGeek`	`You can even have your own militia`
`07:16.39`	`LinuxNIT-II`	`hehe i just made a Xdialog install script for my program :D`
`07:17.03`	`GPLGeek`	`let me see it`
`07:17.10`	`GPLGeek`	`want web space?`
`07:18.00`	`GPLGeek`	`I can give you a wiki, bug tracker, database, ftp`
`07:18.33`	`LinuxNIT-II`	`:D`
`07:18.43`	`LinuxNIT-II`	`its not that big of a program :D`
`07:18.57`	`LinuxNIT-II`	`very small`
`07:18.59`	`LinuxNIT-II`	`but thanks`
`07:19.00`	`GPLGeek`	`Does it need a homepage or will it just live in userland until it dies?`
`07:19.24`	`GPLGeek`	`it would be nice if you had somewhere people could go and maybe you will make more programs in the future`
`07:19.32`	`LinuxNIT-II`	`true`
`07:20.06`	`LinuxNIT-II`	`GPLGeek> let me see it<<<< what part did you want to see?`
`07:20.16`	`GPLGeek`	`the tarball part!`
`07:20.18`	`LinuxNIT-II`	`the script? or the program ?`
`07:20.20`	`LinuxNIT-II`	`ah`
`07:20.22`	`LinuxNIT-II`	`lol`
`07:20.28`	`GPLGeek`	`.`
`07:20.52`	`LinuxNIT-II`	`well im still organizing that... i changed a bunch of stuff after a talk with you a while back`
`07:20.56`	`LinuxNIT-II`	`:D`
`07:21.03`	`LinuxNIT-II`	`a talk about sudo ;)`
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`07:26.09`	`GPLGeek`	`I wonder what made xchat die`
`07:26.12`	`GPLGeek`	`was it a plugin?`
`07:27.18`	`LinuxNIT-II`	`oh`
`07:27.20`	`LinuxNIT-II`	`lmfao`
`07:27.28`	`LinuxNIT-II`	`i cant msg you as this nick any way`
`07:27.29`	`LinuxNIT-II`	`haha`
`07:27.31`	`LinuxNIT-II`	`hang on`
`07:28.32`	`LinuxNIT`	`dolt`
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`07:41.21`	`LinuxNIT`	`lmfao`
`07:41.45`	`LinuxNIT`	`i just tried my install script.... and the eap woulndt start the program`
`07:42.02`	`LinuxNIT`	`hahahahhahahahahha.... i forgot to install python2.4-tk`
`07:42.07`	`LinuxNIT`	`<<<dork`
`07:42.37`	`rookmoot`	`héhé`
`07:42.41`	`rookmoot`	`use encule ;)`
`07:43.20`	`LinuxNIT`	`encule?`
`07:43.23`	`LinuxNIT`	`whats that`
`07:44.17`	`rookmoot`	`a installation bash script`
`07:44.20`	`rookmoot`	`but outofdate`
`07:44.29`	`rookmoot`	`i'll up it to date`
`07:44.34`	`Taka0`	`rookmoot ouais`
`07:44.41`	`Taka0`	`tu vas finir l'interface?`
`07:44.48`	`LinuxNIT`	`nah it wasnt my scripts fault... i reinstalled elive and forgot i didnt have python tk yet`
`07:44.49`	`Taka0`	`j'pourrais checker ca`
`07:45.08`	`rookmoot`	`LinuxNIT, arf sry`
`07:45.17`	`LinuxNIT`	`hehe np`
`07:45.34`	`LinuxNIT`	`rookmoot, you know a lot of bash?`
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`07:51.08`	`rookmoot`	`LinuxNIT, i know what you want :)`
`07:51.27`	`LinuxNIT`	`lol`
`07:51.36`	`rookmoot`	`but python is better for scripting`
`07:51.41`	`rookmoot`	`or perl`
`07:51.58`	`LinuxNIT`	`do you know how i could check for tk support for python in my install script?`
`07:52.06`	`LinuxNIT`	`for any distro`
`07:52.25`	`rookmoot`	`in bash ?`
`07:52.28`	`LinuxNIT`	`yes`
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`07:53.24`	`rookmoot`	`where could i found the version ?`
`07:53.35`	`rookmoot`	`like the --version option ?`
`07:54.26`	`rookmoot`	`hum`
`07:54.28`	`rookmoot`	`i need to go`
`07:54.38`	`rookmoot`	`but i let you an exemple`
`07:54.49`	`LinuxNIT`	`not what verion of python but whether or not the TK library is installed for python`
`07:54.54`	`rookmoot`	`for automake for exemple, you can do something like that`
`07:55.00`	`rookmoot`	`automake --version \| grep automake \| awk '{print $4}' \| awk -F. '{print $1$2$3}'`
`07:55.15`	`rookmoot`	`LinuxNIT, if you want to check the binary`
`07:55.35`	`rookmoot`	`if [ -f /usr/bin/python ] ; then`
`07:55.37`	`LinuxNIT`	`but this is not an executable`
`07:55.45`	`rookmoot`	`<PROTECTED>`
`07:55.50`	`rookmoot`	`else`
`07:55.55`	`rookmoot`	`<PROTECTED>`
`07:55.57`	`rookmoot`	`fi`
`07:55.58`	`LinuxNIT`	`nm`
`07:56.12`	`rookmoot`	`that'll check if the FILE "/usr/bin/python" exist`
`07:56.17`	`LinuxNIT`	`thanks any way`
`07:56.45`	`rookmoot`	`for sys directory it's : if [ -d /dir ]; then`
`07:57.03`	`rookmoot`	`and for executable it's : if [ -x /script ] ; then`
`07:57.14`	`rookmoot`	`gottta out`
`07:57.16`	`rookmoot`	`good luck ;)`
`08:04.40`	`bouba`	`hi. how can i post here? http://thanatermesis.org/trac/wiki/DevelReleaseUsers. simply click on "attach file"? thanks`
`08:15.01`	`LinuxNIT`	`click edit this page`
`08:15.27`	`LinuxNIT`	`dont change anything only add to it`
`08:15.49`	`bouba`	`ok thanks :)`
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`11:41.48`	`wasynyt`	`good afternoon LinuxNIT`
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`12:19.41`	`daurnimator`	`yo`
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`12:36.21`	`Elive_user`	`which is the graphical notepad-editor for elive?`
`12:36.34`	`Elive_user`	`i know i have vi, vim, nano`
`12:37.01`	`Elive_user`	`but what about an equivalent to kedit or kate?`
`12:37.06`	`roxville`	`it's called scite`
`12:37.12`	`Elive_user`	`ty roxville`
`12:37.22`	`roxville`	`yw :)`
`12:38.01`	`Elive_user`	`scite's perfect and is exactly what i was looking for!`
`12:38.02`	`Elive_user`	`=D`
`12:38.21`	`Elive_user`	`...`
`12:38.21`	`Elive_user`	`woops, that sounds like a little bit too much excitement`
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`12:42.33`	`roxville`	`lol`
`12:42.54`	`daurnimator`	`lol`
`12:42.59`	`roxville`	`i agree though, scite is very nice :)`
`12:43.01`	`daurnimator`	`omfg`
`12:43.06`	`daurnimator`	`a txt editor`
`12:43.10`	`daurnimator`	`!!!!!!!!!!11111 one`
`12:43.16`	`dererk`	`mogining`
`12:43.20`	`dererk`	`morning*`
`12:43.40`	`daurnimator`	`dererk: got rsync yet??`
`12:44.18`	`dererk`	`daurnimator, Hi, Thanatermesis is at that matter now. :=`
`12:45.00`	`daurnimator`	`are you setting it up?`
`12:45.03`	`daurnimator`	`or just talking`
`12:45.45`	`dererk`	`daurnimator, as I said, Thanatermesis is at that matter now`
`12:45.56`	`dererk`	`daurnimator, He's the boss here ^^`
`12:45.56`	`daurnimator`	`:S`
`12:46.06`	`daurnimator`	`come talk`
`12:46.08`	`daurnimator`	`:P`
`12:46.41`	`dererk`	`lol`
`12:49.44`	`roxville`	`Elive_user, are you in livecd mode... you did you dare installing yet? :)`
`12:52.40`	`Elive_user`	`roxville, i isntalled it`
`12:52.51`	`roxville`	`awesome!`
`12:53.13`	`roxville`	`lol... if it's running ok, that is... :)`
`12:54.04`	`Elive_user`	`i've been using slackware for about a year`
`12:54.36`	`roxville`	`whoa, quite a change then`
`12:54.39`	`Elive_user`	`struggling with the command line for the first time, it's hopeless for me to start learning how to fully script a DR 16-17 install from source`
`12:55.24`	`Invert`	`i love how E just works out of the box like this`
`12:55.31`	`Invert`	`E truly is beutiful`
`12:55.41`	`Invert`	`i think i like E so much b/c i'm an artist`
`12:56.12`	`Invert`	`thanks roxville for being so open and welcoming`
`12:56.25`	`Invert`	`##slackware are full of bulleys i find`
`12:56.32`	`Invert`	`is full*`
`12:58.22`	`roxville`	`bulleys? oh... they're not very nice?`
`12:58.36`	`Invert`	`i had a few bad experiences`
`12:58.49`	`Invert`	`"bulleying" is a poor word choice`
`12:58.55`	`Invert`	`i mean for ##slackware`
`13:00.02`	`Invert`	`i've been bullyed heavily on another irc network`
`13:00.16`	`Invert`	`...by FOSS community members`
`13:00.30`	`Invert`	`they made my first baby steps into linux sorta miserable`
`13:01.12`	`Invert`	`on the other hand, #slackman is full of caring and friendly slackware users`
`13:01.57`	`roxville`	`ok, that's cool`
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`13:02.23`	`roxville`	`a lot of ppl say that this is the friendliest channel they have ever been to`
`13:02.24`	`Elive_user28`	`hi`
`13:02.36`	`roxville`	`hi Elive_user28`
`13:02.53`	`Invert`	`welcome Elive_user28`
`13:03.41`	`Acrimonious`	`i need a little help :)`
`13:04.00`	`Elive_user2`	`its funny that i find dererk's nick appeared to be burried in the background... looks cool`
`13:04.03`	`roxville`	`Invert, what kind of artist?`
`13:04.12`	`roxville`	`and where are you from?`
`13:04.57`	`roxville`	`Elive_user2, buried in the background... sounds cool, that's the best place for him... :D`
`13:05.30`	`Invert`	`roxville, i collect comic books and street artwork`
`13:05.36`	`Elive_user2`	`how can i add an app to the desktop panel (is it a kxdocker?)`
`13:05.40`	`roxville`	`acro if we can help... oh, the bath room is to the right, over there (roxville points)`
`13:05.42`	`Invert`	`i schetch`
`13:05.56`	`roxville`	`cool :)`
`13:06.12`	`dererk`	`Elive_user2, ..........¿?¿?¿?¿?`
`13:06.20`	`dererk`	`WHO the hell are you?`
`13:06.44`	`roxville`	`dererk, chill... he didn't mean anything bad`
`13:06.56`	`revozak`	`i dont remember saying anything harmful to you`
`13:07.06`	`roxville`	`revozak, it's NOT kxdocker`
`13:07.18`	`roxville`	`these are enlightenment native apps`
`13:07.18`	`Invert`	`dererk, who are you talking to?`
`13:07.40`	`revozak`	`im just trying to say that it appears that ur nick seems to be deep on my background....`
`13:07.42`	`dererk`	`Invert, don't worry, not to you`
`13:07.50`	`Invert`	`phew`
`13:07.56`	`Invert`	`=D`
`13:08.11`	`dererk`	`what's does that mean?`
`13:08.19`	`roxville`	`revozak, dererk it is because you are set away`
`13:08.20`	`revozak`	`which is a bit strange 'coz i havent seen one before...`
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`13:08.58`	`roxville`	`dererk, you are not set as away... ok`
`13:08.59`	`revozak`	`or maybe its my monitor.. not sure though`
`13:09.27`	`Invert`	`roxville, are you an artist?`
`13:09.38`	`roxville`	`Invert, you got any artwork on display?`
`13:09.49`	`Invert`	`roxville, no`
`13:10.23`	`Invert`	`i btw hope to one day learn how to use the GIMP to create some symbols and such`
`13:10.23`	`roxville`	`Invert, well... not really... i am a working musician... and i dabble a little with gimp...`
`13:10.39`	`roxville`	`so was i :)`
`13:10.50`	`roxville`	`lemme show a couple of examples...`
`13:11.07`	`dererk`	`<PROTECTED>`
`13:11.08`	`dererk`	`may 12 10:08:19 <roxville> revozak, dererk it is because you are set away`
`13:11.19`	`dererk`	`No, we haven't ever talked`
`13:11.39`	`Invert`	`i study philosophy in university, math isn't easy..lol`
`13:11.50`	`Invert`	`roxville, what's your favourite scripting/programming language?`
`13:11.56`	`dererk`	`Invert, yeah, but it's funny, though :P`
`13:12.19`	`roxville`	`http://71.204.226.14/public_html/Themes_And_Icons/elive-bg-tech.png`
`13:12.24`	`Invert`	`what's funny, dererk?`
`13:12.38`	`Invert`	`i've read a guide for every single programming language and i can't seem to get past the hello world stage`
`13:12.38`	`Invert`	`lol`
`13:12.46`	`dererk`	`Invert, yeah, funny`
`13:13.13`	`dererk`	`how can you explain that "i^2= -1" then?`
`13:13.14`	`roxville`	`http://71.204.226.14/public_html/misc/larger-than-life-bg-birds.jpg`
`13:13.27`	`Invert`	`roxville, that's beautiful!`
`13:13.30`	`roxville`	`http://71.204.226.14/public_html/misc/larger-than-life-bg-night.jpg`
`13:14.13`	`roxville`	`http://71.204.226.14/public_html/misc/new-elive-box5.png`
`13:14.18`	`dererk`	`Invert, Maths is a funny subject`
`13:15.05`	`roxville`	`Invert> roxville, what's your favourite scripting/programming language? <-- ehum... swedish?`
`13:15.09`	`roxville`	`:D`
`13:15.26`	`roxville`	`i don't do any scripting or programming... just gimp`
`13:16.20`	`Invert`	`my favourite image you've got is the elive box`
`13:16.38`	`roxville`	`thx`
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`13:17.16`	`roxville`	`i made 100's of crappy backgrounds that i have imposed on the poor elive users that have passed through here...`
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`13:17.57`	`revozak`	`how can i add an app to the desktop panel?`
`13:18.49`	`roxville`	`revozak, what app?`
`13:19.06`	`Acrimonious`	`how can i recover my lost partitions?`
`13:19.28`	`revozak`	`for example... cinelerra`
`13:19.30`	`Invert`	`Acrimonious, it depends what you mean by lost`
`13:19.49`	`roxville`	`ok... revozak are you in e16 or e17?`
`13:20.01`	`revozak`	`e16`
`13:20.10`	`revozak`	`though i also like e17`
`13:20.28`	`Invert`	`Acrimonious, did your partition/HD break? or do you think your parition's disappearance has something to do with your kernel or fstab?`
`13:20.45`	`Acrimonious`	`i think i deleted all partitions on my pc`
`13:20.45`	`roxville`	`ok... i'm in e17 atm... in the menu somewhere is something called engage manager or similar`
`13:20.56`	`Acrimonious`	`no`
`13:21.01`	`Acrimonious`	`my hdd is good`
`13:21.22`	`Acrimonious`	`i not created new partitions yet`
`13:21.28`	`roxville`	`brb`
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`13:22.27`	`revozak`	`i dont see it roxville`
`13:23.05`	`roxville`	`revozak, gimme a sec to locate it... i just logged over to e16`
`13:23.17`	`revozak`	`thanks rox`
`13:23.51`	`roxville`	`revozak, it's in elpanel... elives' config app... the folder with the tools on it`
`13:24.12`	`roxville`	`click the icon on the left and then the e16 symbol`
`13:24.29`	`roxville`	`and then, there's a little white cube with an e inside it`
`13:25.12`	`roxville`	`tell me when it's open`
`13:25.45`	`Acrimonious`	`exists som recovery tool for elive, or linux?`
`13:25.49`	`Acrimonious`	`e`
`13:26.06`	`Invert`	`good question Acrimonious`
`13:27.05`	`roxville`	`yep, good question... and i believe there is one... but i'll be darned if i know the name`
`13:27.12`	`Acrimonious`	`i found "mondo", but isnt work..`
`13:27.18`	`revozak`	`the engage configurator roxville ?`
`13:27.27`	`roxville`	`revozak, yes`
`13:27.39`	`revozak`	`its open :)`
`13:27.55`	`roxville`	`cool, choose option 4`
`13:28.10`	`revozak`	`processing`
`13:28.31`	`revozak`	`so i need to locate where the app is ... right?`
`13:29.02`	`roxville`	`hold on...`
`13:30.29`	`roxville`	`ok`
`13:30.49`	`roxville`	`option 4`
`13:31.01`	`revozak`	`uhuh`
`13:31.13`	`roxville`	`then navigate to your home dir... right-click in the menu to show hidden files`
`13:31.33`	`Invert`	`i'm out`
`13:31.38`	`Invert`	`it was nice chilling with you roxville`
`13:31.41`	`Invert`	`later`
`13:31.42`	`Invert`	`=D`
`13:31.42`	`roxville`	`then go to .e/e/applications/all`
`13:31.45`	`revozak`	`uhuh`
`13:31.55`	`roxville`	`Invert, take care :)`
`13:32.07`	`roxville`	`nice meeting you too!`
`13:32.10`	`revozak`	`done...`
`13:32.28`	`roxville`	`then choose cinelerra.eap and click ok`
`13:32.34`	`revozak`	`got it....`
`13:32.36`	`revozak`	`done!`
`13:32.45`	`roxville`	`engage reloads with your new icon in it`
`13:32.45`	`revozak`	`thank you so much roxville`
`13:32.58`	`roxville`	`no problem!`
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`13:33.16`	`revozak`	`its already there.. the desktop automatically reload/refresh`
`13:33.24`	`roxville`	`the tough part negins when you have installed a new app... you have to make the eap yourself! :)`
`13:33.35`	`revozak`	`hehhehe tell me how`
`13:33.38`	`roxville`	`it's not that hard though, just a little different`
`13:33.49`	`revozak`	`i want to add the UT2003 on the panel`
`13:33.56`	`roxville`	`revozak, it's easier to make in e17`
`13:34.12`	`revozak`	`ic....`
`13:34.33`	`revozak`	`ill try to use the e17 next time...`
`13:34.44`	`roxville`	`:)`
`13:34.56`	`roxville`	`and most ppl here knows how to make one...`
`13:34.57`	`revozak`	`better try it now`
`13:34.58`	`roxville`	`hmm`
`13:34.59`	`revozak`	`:)`
`13:35.05`	`roxville`	`apt, make-eap`
`13:35.12`	`apt`	`make-eap is probably http://deepcode.atspace.org/make-eap.html`
`13:35.26`	`roxville`	`revozak, read that :)`
`13:36.03`	`revozak`	`thanks roxville ... ill ask for your help when i encounter some difficulties :)`
`13:36.07`	`revozak`	`thanks a lot`
`13:36.21`	`roxville`	`no problem :)`
`13:36.48`	`roxville`	`revozak, where are you at? spain or something?`
`13:36.58`	`revozak`	`hong kong :)`
`13:37.13`	`revozak`	`im from the philippines... just working here :)`
`13:37.19`	`roxville`	`oh wow! cool`
`13:37.42`	`revozak`	`not that cool....`
`13:38.10`	`roxville`	`we have had a few philppinos... and some ppl living in japans... and one philippino in china... but you are the first from hong kong, i believe`
`13:38.19`	`revozak`	`i worked as a domestic helper here... i just cant take my hands off to a linux distro`
`13:38.31`	`revozak`	`:D`
`13:38.42`	`roxville`	`i understand... what i meant was that you are our first user located in hong kong`
`13:38.52`	`revozak`	`i see...`
`13:39.00`	`revozak`	`where are you at?`
`13:39.33`	`roxville`	`i'm originally from stockholm, sweden... but live in charleston, south carolina... east coast usa`
`13:39.47`	`revozak`	`that is cool :)`
`13:40.52`	`roxville`	`it's ok... but i came over right after 9/11... and it's hell to get a green card now... even if i'm married to an american, and have a 4 yr old daughter`
`13:41.15`	`roxville`	`who will kill me if i don't take her to the park now...`
`13:41.28`	`revozak`	`you mean you are still not holding a green card?`
`13:41.46`	`roxville`	`so i'll have to take off... but you are very welcome as an elive user, hope you'll like it!`
`13:42.02`	`revozak`	`thanx roxville ... i like it a lot`
`13:42.07`	`roxville`	`oh... big news... elive 0.5 test will be out soon`
`13:42.21`	`revozak`	`cant cant to get the iso`
`13:42.21`	`dererk`	`stills*`
`13:42.23`	`revozak`	`ahahhaa`
`13:42.28`	`revozak`	`hi dererk`
`13:42.51`	`roxville`	`we will test it for about a month, while Thanatermesis (elives only developer) is on vacation in his old hom,e country, spain)`
`13:42.53`	`revozak`	`nope....`
`13:43.30`	`roxville`	`nope, no green card`
`13:43.48`	`dererk`	`roxville, not yet?`
`13:43.57`	`revozak`	`what im trying to say is... its looks like your nick is "submerged" into my desktop... its like the rest of us (nicks) are elevated`
`13:43.58`	`dererk`	`how could that be possible?`
`13:44.34`	`roxville`	`but that doesn't mean i am here illegally... just that i am pending in the system... oh boy, it's FUN to be pending...`
`13:44.36`	`dererk`	`revozak, still don't gett it`
`13:44.39`	`dererk`	`but`
`13:44.44`	`dererk`	`nevermind`
`13:45.06`	`roxville`	`dererk, i guess it's some kind of optical illusion`
`13:45.17`	`revozak`	`something like that....`
`13:45.34`	`revozak`	`and i like it :)`
`13:45.47`	`roxville`	`:)`
`13:45.59`	`revozak`	`giving me a 2D look...`
`13:46.02`	`roxville`	`dererk, how does it feel to be submerged?`
`13:46.13`	`revozak`	`instead of a flat window`
`13:46.14`	`roxville`	`:D`
`13:46.45`	`roxville`	`ok, off to the park... have fun, ppl!`
`13:47.09`	`revozak`	`hehehhe funny... when his nick is in blue.. it sinks to the backgound.. and when its in red.. it floats`
`13:47.28`	`dererk`	`yeah ¬¬ funny @_"`
`13:47.33`	`roxville`	`LOL`
`13:47.57`	`revozak`	`i dont mean any harm with that dererk`
`13:48.39`	`dererk`	`ok, was my fault`
`13:48.49`	`dererk`	`thought I was some kind of insult`
`13:49.06`	`revozak`	`of course not....`
`13:49.21`	`revozak`	`sorry too.. i didnt make it clear`
`13:49.27`	`dererk`	`HOW APPROPIATE, YOU INSULT LIKE A COW!`
`13:49.29`	`dererk`	`LMAO!`
`13:49.48`	`dererk`	`revozak, forget it, everyone is cool :)`
`13:49.59`	`revozak`	`thats cool then :)`
`13:50.10`	`dererk`	`revozak, I'm still envidious at Thanatermesis 's 3 TFT's :-/`
`13:50.21`	`dererk`	`http://thanatermesis.org/users/matrox/DSCF0077.JPG`
`13:50.25`	`dererk`	`:-/`
`13:50.43`	`revozak`	`let me have a look :)`
`13:51.18`	`revozak`	`God!!!!`
`13:51.22`	`revozak`	`that's cool`
`13:51.51`	`dererk`	`Yeah :-/`
`13:52.23`	`dererk`	`envies*`
`13:52.30`	`dererk`	`apt, x en es envies`
`13:52.38`	`dererk`	`right`
`13:52.50`	`Begasus`	`left`
`13:52.54`	`revozak`	`i have an extra TFT here.. havent tried to use 2 monitor at a time`
`13:53.15`	`dererk`	`revozak, ....`
`13:53.19`	`dererk`	`could you pass it to me?`
`13:53.20`	`dererk`	`:D`
`13:53.45`	`revozak`	`hahaha wish i could... my brother wants to have it :)`
`13:54.02`	`dererk`	`ok :-{`
`13:55.08`	`revozak`	`gtg.... need to take my dinner :)`
`13:55.30`	`dererk`	`have fun!`
`13:55.46`	`revozak`	`thanx`
`13:56.44`	`dererk`	`your welcome`
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`14:32.09`	`Elive_user`	`hello everyone`
`14:32.34`	`Elive_user`	`i'm a new user of elive...`
`14:32.44`	`Elive_user`	`who would help me?`
`14:33.13`	`Elive_user`	`i want install e17 themes...`
`14:33.32`	`Elive_user`	`i don't know how do it`
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`16:40.14`	`saad3000`	`Greetings to all.`
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`17:00.59`	`saad3000`	`hello`
`17:01.10`	`saad3000`	`I get this message when i type the : make`
`17:01.14`	`saad3000`	`Makefile:26: *** Linux kernel source tree not found. Stop.`
`17:01.17`	`saad3000`	`what do I do?`
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`17:03.22`	`saad3000`	`GPLGeek: hello, how do I know what elive version am using?`
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`17:03.47`	`GPLGeek`	`I'd assume .4.2`
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`17:03.56`	`eManu`	`hi all!`
`17:03.56`	`saad3000`	`how do I know?`
`17:04.06`	`GPLGeek`	`do you still have the .iso?`
`17:04.07`	`saad3000`	`eManu: hello.`
`17:04.07`	`saad3000`	`is there a way.`
`17:04.21`	`saad3000`	`yah but its on the cd and i dont feel like going back home now.`
`17:04.37`	`GPLGeek`	`uname -a`
`17:04.41`	`saad3000`	`but its not the newest before .4.2`
`17:04.55`	`saad3000`	`this doesn't show me about the elive version.`
`17:05.03`	`GPLGeek`	`kernel version`
`17:05.11`	`GPLGeek`	`you didnt upgrade your kernel did you?`
`17:05.16`	`saad3000`	`2.6.12`
`17:05.28`	`GPLGeek`	`so we know its not .5`
`17:05.39`	`saad3000`	`I upgraded and dep fall off so I went back and now I can't manually install anything for example when i type : make`
`17:05.41`	`saad3000`	`i get this error`
`17:06.14`	`saad3000`	`Makefile:26: *** Linux kernel source tree not found. Stop.`
`17:06.30`	`GPLGeek`	`apt-get install kernel-source`
`17:06.53`	`GPLGeek`	`actually.... wait`
`17:07.04`	`GPLGeek`	`apt-get update && apt-get upgrade`
`17:07.15`	`saad3000`	`Package kernel-source is a virtual package provided by: kernel-source-2.4.27 2.4.27-12 kernel-source-2.6.15 10.00.Custom`
`17:07.18`	`saad3000`	`You should explicitly select one to install.`
`17:07.44`	`GPLGeek`	`install kernel-source-2.6.15`
`17:07.50`	`saad3000`	`GPLGeek: Upgrade am on 6.7 k/sec :( it takes ages to get 380 megz`
`17:07.51`	`GPLGeek`	`you will need to install the .15 kernel`
`17:07.59`	`saad3000`	`ohhh`
`17:08.10`	`saad3000`	`GPLGeek: tell me do you suggest to upgrade my kerenl?`
`17:08.13`	`GPLGeek`	`the .12 source is not in the tree`
`17:08.14`	`saad3000`	`from the elive respo?`
`17:08.21`	`saad3000`	`GPLGeek: Yah i notice .`
`17:08.34`	`GPLGeek`	`You might get more hardware support and a few bug fixes`
`17:08.46`	`saad3000`	`GPLGeek: is the .15 kernel suitable with elive?`
`17:08.55`	`GPLGeek`	`It's built for elive`
`17:09.00`	`saad3000`	`oright`
`17:09.34`	`saad3000`	`let me shoot the upgrade, k now I'll do the apt-get install kernel-2.6.15 && kernel-source ?`
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`17:09.54`	`GPLGeek`	`read this a bit http://wiki.elivecd.org/index.php/Kernel%2C_drivers_and_stuff`
`17:10.08`	`saad3000`	`alright thank you.`
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`17:11.30`	`Elive_user`	`hola`
`17:11.50`	`Elive_user`	`pasa que descargue la ultimo iso de elive`
`17:12.00`	`Elive_user`	`la estoy instalando`
`17:12.23`	`Elive_user`	`pero esta hace un rato en lo de los discos`
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`17:13.45`	`saad3000`	`GPLGeek: this is the right kernel ? linux-image-2.6.15-1-686 ?`
`17:14.00`	`saad3000`	`am on Laptop, Intel Centrino M processor`
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`17:14.56`	`GPLGeek`	`ya`
`17:15.00`	`saad3000`	`10x`
`17:15.15`	`saad3000`	`apt-get install or upgrade?`
`17:15.28`	`GPLGeek`	`your laptop will run anything from i386 to i686`
`17:15.34`	`saad3000`	`I want to replace the .12 with .15`
`17:15.53`	`GPLGeek`	`you want to keep the old kernel`
`17:15.54`	`GPLGeek`	`just in case`
`17:15.57`	`saad3000`	`no`
`17:16.00`	`GPLGeek`	`keep it in your menu.lst in grub`
`17:16.02`	`saad3000`	`why would I do that`
`17:16.05`	`saad3000`	`mm`
`17:16.15`	`GPLGeek`	`so you could boot if there is something wrong with .15`
`17:16.21`	`saad3000`	`mmmm`
`17:16.25`	`saad3000`	`how do I keep a backup/`
`17:16.26`	`saad3000`	`?`
`17:16.40`	`saad3000`	`I'll go for the install?`
`17:16.46`	`GPLGeek`	`install the new kernel package and then edit the menu.lst dont take out the old kernel stuff`
`17:16.56`	`saad3000`	`alright.`
`17:17.02`	`saad3000`	`do I have to add a line in the menu.1st?`
`17:17.09`	`saad3000`	`menu.lst*`
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`17:17.57`	`GPLGeek`	`ya`
`17:18.20`	`GPLGeek`	`copy your current line and paste it, then change the kernel name and path`
`17:18.23`	`saad3000`	`GPLGeek: shouldn't be auto configured by apt?`
`17:18.27`	`saad3000`	`ohhhh`
`17:18.31`	`saad3000`	`k`
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`17:19.14`	`saad3000`	`10x.`
`17:19.33`	`saad3000`	`Thanatermesis: am about to upgrade my kernel to 2.6.15 wish me luck.`
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`17:22.19`	`Thanatermesis`	`not is very hard ;)`
`17:22.25`	`Thanatermesis`	`you have a little howto on wiki.elivecd.org`
`17:22.54`	`saad3000`	`I read it now am doing the apt-get install linux-image-2.6.15-1-68`
`17:23.03`	`saad3000`	`and I have to install the kernel-source`
`17:23.22`	`saad3000`	`Thanatermesis: but GPLGeek mentioned about editing the menu.lst to add the line for the new kernel .`
`17:23.56`	`GPLGeek`	`oh`
`17:24.08`	`saad3000`	`oh?`
`17:24.15`	`saad3000`	`:\| thats scary.`
`17:24.28`	`GPLGeek`	`we all going to die!`
`17:24.38`	`saad3000`	`and why is that?`
`17:24.45`	`GPLGeek`	`there's 1's and 0's all arouond and I thought I saw a 2, but 2 doesnt exist`
`17:24.51`	`saad3000`	`GPLGeek: you've been watching news?`
`17:24.57`	`Thanatermesis`	`this kernel not is a Elive kernel, is the debian kernel`
`17:25.07`	`saad3000`	`???????????`
`17:25.18`	`saad3000`	`Thanatermesis: how do I get the elive kernel?`
`17:25.26`	`saad3000`	`should i kill the install now?`
`17:25.33`	`Thanatermesis`	`yes`
`17:25.37`	`saad3000`	`done`
`17:25.41`	`saad3000`	`what do i do now/`
`17:25.51`	`GPLGeek`	`wiki.elivecd.org search for kernel, there is a whole howto`
`17:26.02`	`saad3000`	`its downloaed 3% is there a way to clean them ?`
`17:26.18`	`saad3000`	`ok`
`17:26.20`	`Thanatermesis`	`http://thanatermesis.org/trac/wiki/HowtoInstallKernel`
`17:26.22`	`bouba`	`Thanatermesis hi!. i've got this error witch 0.5 .... :) http://thanatermesis.org/trac/wiki/DevelReleaseUsers`
`17:26.54`	`saad3000`	`ok`
`17:27.19`	`saad3000`	`is there a command for apt to clean the 3% of the kernel download?`
`17:28.12`	`GPLGeek`	`I gotta go for a few min`
`17:29.46`	`Thanatermesis`	`i need to look all this.. when i found a little of time :(`
`17:30.00`	`saad3000`	`thana`
`17:30.05`	`saad3000`	`Setting up initramfs-tools (0.60elive1) ...`
`17:30.11`	`saad3000`	`/boot/initrd.img-2.6.12 has been altered. Cannot update.`
`17:30.11`	`saad3000`	`is it oke`
`17:30.12`	`saad3000`	`?`
`17:30.20`	`saad3000`	`should i now go for: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.15 ?`
`17:30.27`	`Thanatermesis`	`yes`
`17:30.31`	`saad3000`	`ok 10x`
`17:32.37`	`saad3000`	`# bcm4400 network, (driver added in the request of new0one) <== lol that would be $me :)`
`17:33.33`	`Thanatermesis`	`you are "new0one" ?`
`17:33.45`	`saad3000`	`yah it was me.`
`17:33.52`	`Thanatermesis`	`ah... good :)`
`17:33.56`	`Thanatermesis`	`i have included the driver`
`17:34.09`	`Thanatermesis`	`if works, just add a "works good" on this line ;)`
`17:34.10`	`saad3000`	`am with the sound problem during every boot which I have to run alsaconf`
`17:34.11`	`saad3000`	`yah`
`17:34.18`	`saad3000`	`Np`
`17:34.38`	`Thanatermesis`	`well... im trying to solve the problem for the 0.5 release, i hope to works better the sound thing :)`
`17:34.54`	`saad3000`	`so its an elive related issue not from the kernel?`
`17:35.12`	`Thanatermesis`	`nothing...`
`17:35.14`	`saad3000`	`Thanatermesis: how come when I run the elivecd the sound works?`
`17:35.14`	`Thanatermesis`	`its a udev stuff`
`17:35.28`	`Thanatermesis`	`udev autodetects the device and loads the correct modules for it...`
`17:36.27`	`saad3000`	`alright.`
`17:37.00`	`saad3000`	`thana, what i have to add an acpi=off in the menu.lst inorder to boot the kernel?`
`17:37.10`	`saad3000`	`I hope .15 would solve it.`
`17:38.05`	`Thanatermesis`	`i don't know... try it :)`
`17:38.30`	`saad3000`	`7% when everything finish i will give u my feedback ;)`
`17:38.35`	`Thanatermesis`	`in any case i want to add a manager for apm/acpi on elpanel... its in my TODO`
`17:38.47`	`saad3000`	`Great!!!`
`17:39.11`	`saad3000`	`Thanatermesis: and please a STANDBY Mode would also help :)`
`17:39.44`	`saad3000`	`I mean am Tired for turning back on the laptop and gives me everything thru the whole boot process...`
`17:40.36`	`Thanatermesis`	`well... i need to know first for a SECURE way to use standby...`
`17:41.24`	`saad3000`	`I mean just like xp 1 press and Elive is ready.`
`17:41.25`	`saad3000`	`;)`
`17:41.32`	`Thanatermesis`	`>:S`
`17:41.34`	`saad3000`	`we dont have to go thru all the boot thing.`
`17:41.35`	`saad3000`	`right`
`17:41.36`	`saad3000`	`:)`
`17:43.42`	`saad3000`	`shit`
`17:43.49`	`saad3000`	`connection timed out`
`17:43.53`	`saad3000`	`how do I resume in apt?`
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`17:44.56`	`saad3000`	`thana shit man`
`17:45.01`	`saad3000`	`connection timed out`
`17:45.05`	`saad3000`	`on 8%`
`17:45.08`	`saad3000`	`how do I resume?`
`17:45.37`	`saad3000`	`Failed to fetch http://idefix.eup.uva.es/elive/pool/main/k/kernel-source-2.6.15/kernel-image-2.6.15_10.00.Custom_i386.deb Connection timed out`
`17:45.53`	`Thanatermesis`	`heh`
`17:45.57`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt, vobcopy`
`17:46.00`	`apt`	`from memory, vobcopy is the repository of elive: deb http://www.vobcopy.org/mirror/elive/ elive main efl elive`
`17:46.06`	`Thanatermesis`	`use this instead`
`17:46.39`	`saad3000`	`i should add it in the source.lst?`
`17:47.25`	`saad3000`	`ok I added it`
`17:47.29`	`saad3000`	`now how do I resume?`
`17:49.01`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt-get update`
`17:49.08`	`Thanatermesis`	`http://wiki.elivecd.org/index.php/Sources.list_of_Elive`
`17:49.12`	`saad3000`	`yah am doing this right now`
`17:49.20`	`Thanatermesis`	`apt, elive-source.list is http://wiki.elivecd.org/index.php/Sources.list_of_Elive`
`17:49.22`	`apt`	`okay, Thanatermesis`
`17:49.28`	`saad3000`	`I added it and i finished updating`
`17:50.04`	`saad3000`	`now how do I continue downloading the kernel it was 8%`
`17:50.29`	`Thanatermesis`	`its automatically`
`17:50.38`	`Thanatermesis`	`jsut try again`
`17:50.38`	`saad3000`	`oh alrighty`
`17:50.50`	`saad3000`	`yah thanx!!`
`17:51.02`	`saad3000`	`looks like vobcopy is better the idefix`
`17:51.09`	`Thanatermesis`	`well.. more stable :)`
`17:51.23`	`saad3000`	`nice.`
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`19:10.00`	`felix`	`.-D`
`19:10.02`	`felix`	`:-D`
`19:10.04`	`felix`	`at last!`
`19:10.24`	`felix`	`I'll be running this cool distro this night :)`
`19:10.39`	`felix`	Thanatermesis: 12:12:03 (66.03 KB/s) - `Elive_0.4.2.iso' saved [725415936]
`19:10.45`	`felix`	`Thanatermesis: :-D`
`19:10.48`	`Thanatermesis`	`:D`
`19:10.51`	`Thanatermesis`	`finalmente, jeje`
`19:11.08`	`Thanatermesis`	`aunque ahora va a salir dentro de poco la 0.5 que es totalmente un nuevo sistema y una nueva generacion de liveCDs xD`
`19:11.13`	`felix`	`pero no estoy en casa, as� que har� la copia cuando llegue`
`19:11.16`	`felix`	`ok`
`19:11.34`	`felix`	`primero empezar� por esta a ver qu� tal...`
`19:11.35`	`felix`	`:)`
`19:11.56`	`felix`	`Thanatermesis: lo bueno es que con la elive podr� programar con efl sin hacer tantas piruetas :-D`
`19:12.08`	`felix`	`Thanatermesis: �ten�s idea si puedo instalar elive en un chroot?`
`19:17.43`	`Thanatermesis`	`jajaja, eso es cierto ;)`
`19:17.50`	`Thanatermesis`	`pues...`
`19:17.57`	`Thanatermesis`	`"instalar instalar" no...`
`19:18.03`	`Thanatermesis`	`pero puedes "copiarlo" literalmente...`
`19:18.08`	`Thanatermesis`	`y chrootear`
`19:18.18`	`Thanatermesis`	`pero bueno... mejor si lo instalas en una particion ;)`
`19:18.27`	`Thanatermesis`	`ademas, recuerda que es una debian (etch) ;D`
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`20:11.39`	`metatux`	`hi@all`
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`20:22.29`	`wasynyt`	`good evening everyone`
`20:22.30`	`wasynyt`	`:D`
`20:23.43`	`eManu`	`good evening wasynyt`
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`20:43.50`	`metatux`	`:S`
`20:47.32`	`wasynyt`	`? metatux`
`20:47.56`	`metatux`	`elive is allready very buggy i think`
`20:48.03`	`wasynyt`	`hmm`
`20:48.09`	`wasynyt`	`what di you mean by that`
`20:48.11`	`wasynyt`	`=`
`20:48.16`	`wasynyt`	`?`
`20:48.44`	`wasynyt`	`what version 0.4.2 or 0.5`
`20:48.46`	`wasynyt`	`?`
`20:49.07`	`metatux`	`it's very unstable already`
`20:49.14`	`wasynyt`	`e17`
`20:49.15`	`wasynyt`	`?`
`20:49.19`	`metatux`	`yes`
`20:49.24`	`wasynyt`	`apt e17`
`20:49.26`	`apt`	`methinks e17 is IN DEVELOPEMENT, and this is the same to NOT FINISHED, some parts works, and some parts not works, e17 not is prepaired for the end-user, if you continue like to use it is your problem, if you search a stable thing, use e16`
`20:50.07`	`metatux`	`nice answer`
`20:50.09`	`metatux`	`thx`
`20:50.25`	`wasynyt`	`:D`
`20:50.29`	`wasynyt`	`your welcome`
`20:51.55`	`metatux`	`is there a way to get e16 or e17 from elive to use it on an existing debian-system?`
`20:52.11`	`metatux`	`just that preconfigured?`
`20:52.16`	`wasynyt`	`nope`
`20:52.23`	`metatux`	`i guess that`
`20:52.29`	`wasynyt`	`there is too much Thanas special work in it`
`20:53.04`	`metatux`	`nice work really`
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`20:53.58`	`wasynyt`	`:D`
`20:54.09`	`wasynyt`	`good evening tuxit`
`20:54.14`	`tuxit`	`hello wasynyt`
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`20:57.53`	`wasynyt`	`good evening Duvelr`
`21:00.12`	`Duvelr`	`evening wasynyt`
`21:01.07`	`tuxit`	`'sup wasynyt`
`21:01.58`	`wasynyt`	`nothing special`
`21:13.29`	`saad3000`	`Thanashiba: her`
`21:13.32`	`saad3000`	`here*?`
`21:13.40`	`Thanashiba`	`yes`
`21:14.02`	`saad3000`	`Thanashiba: oke i just added the kernel path in the menu.lst`
`21:14.02`	`saad3000`	`and I guess am ready to boot`
`21:14.11`	`Thanashiba`	`try it ;)`
`21:14.17`	`Thanashiba`	`if you have the old entries..`
`21:14.19`	`saad3000`	`Thanashiba: but when i was reading I saw that I should type depmod -a is it necessary?`
`21:14.38`	`saad3000`	`entries like??`
`21:14.43`	`Thanashiba`	`one time booted with the new kernel, yes, specially if you have installed driver packages`
`21:15.01`	`saad3000`	`I didn't install anything like drivers.`
`21:15.01`	`Thanashiba`	`entries = another kernel's boot.. old kenrnel boots`
`21:15.07`	`Thanashiba`	`ok`
`21:15.10`	`saad3000`	`ohh nothing`
`21:15.28`	`saad3000`	`give it the new boot now?`
`21:17.18`	`Thanashiba`	`what ?`
`21:17.22`	`metatux`	`Thanashiba don't you go to public any manual or howto for konfiguring e17 just like you did so that others can make theire desktops just as nice as in elive but using other distris??`
`21:17.33`	`saad3000`	`is it clear to reboot?`
`21:18.18`	`Thanashiba`	`konfiguring ? LOL`
`21:18.25`	`Thanashiba`	`this is a new app of kde ? hehe`
`21:18.39`	`saad3000`	`k am gona reboot brb guys`
`21:18.44`	`Thanashiba`	`metatux, well... you have all on get-e.org`
`21:19.03`	`metatux`	`uhm but such nice artwork?? :D`
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`21:19.34`	`NemeZiZ`	`hello`
`21:19.40`	`tuxit`	`uh oh neme`
`21:19.40`	`Thanashiba`	`you have artwork on this site`
`21:19.42`	`tuxit`	`heya dude`
`21:19.45`	`Thanashiba`	`or... elive artwork ?`
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`21:27.35`	`saad3000`	`Thanashiba: here?`
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`21:27.58`	`saad3000`	`hello`
`21:28.05`	`NemeZiZ`	`hi`
`21:28.20`	`saad3000`	`Thanashiba: Weird it didn't work man!`
`21:28.30`	`saad3000`	`am back to the .12 kernel.`
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`21:30.09`	`saad3000`	`Thanashiba: I got alot of errors first then a system hang than it dropped me to a shell.`
`21:31.11`	`Thanashiba`	`you have added the initrd to the menu.lst ?`
`21:31.23`	`saad3000`	`I have added the lines.`
`21:31.46`	`saad3000`	`like in the your site.`
`21:31.58`	`saad3000`	`it 1st gave me errors like this:`
`21:32.50`	`saad3000`	`udevd_event[numbers]: run_program: exec of program: ;/lib/udev/udev_run_hotplug'd failed`
`21:33.04`	`saad3000`	`and udev_run_devd failed`
`21:33.13`	`Thanashiba`	`o_O`
`21:33.19`	`Thanashiba`	`well... better to install a 0.5 ;)`
`21:33.27`	`saad3000`	`then it said: Begin: Mounting root file system....`
`21:33.45`	`saad3000`	`begin: Running /script/local-top`
`21:33.46`	`saad3000`	`done.`
`21:33.57`	`saad3000`	`Begin: waiting for root file system...`
`21:34.06`	`saad3000`	`now the system hangs for like 5 minutes`
`21:34.10`	`saad3000`	`then it says`
`21:34.26`	`saad3000`	`ALeRT! /dev/hda3 does not exist . Dropping to a shell!`
`21:34.36`	`saad3000`	`Busy box v1.0 debian bla bla bla.`
`21:35.28`	`Thanashiba`	`hehe`
`21:35.37`	`saad3000`	`so what do you think the problem is?`
`21:35.43`	`Thanashiba`	`looks similar to you hvae writed a bad entry on the menu.lst`
`21:35.52`	`Thanashiba`	`you don't look the problem ?`
`21:36.08`	`Thanashiba`	`tux tell yo`
`21:36.09`	`Thanashiba`	`tux tell you`
`21:36.18`	`Thanashiba`	`<saad3000> ALeRT! /dev/hda3 does not exist . Dropping to a shell!`
`21:36.25`	`saad3000`	`yah well`
`21:36.39`	`LinuxNIT-gone`	`saad3000, is this the 2.6.15 kernel ?`
`21:36.40`	`saad3000`	`In the menu.lst`
`21:36.45`	`saad3000`	`yes`
`21:36.49`	`saad3000`	`thisis the 2.6.15`
`21:36.56`	`saad3000`	`its the same as 2.6.12 the paths`
`21:36.58`	`saad3000`	`hda3`
`21:37.06`	`Thanashiba`	`<saad3000> ALeRT! /dev/hda3 does not exist . Dropping to a shell!`
`21:37.19`	`LinuxNIT-gone`	`i had a very similar probelm installing the 2.6.15 kernel on my laptop in 0.4.2`
`21:37.22`	`saad3000`	`thana on 2.6.12 the arguments and path is also hda3`
`21:37.25`	`Thanashiba`	`show your menu.lst in pastebin`
`21:37.31`	`saad3000`	`LinuxNIT-gone: yah!`
`21:37.35`	`saad3000`	`what did u do`
`21:37.42`	`LinuxNIT-gone`	`used .12`
`21:37.43`	`LinuxNIT-gone`	`lol`
`21:37.52`	`saad3000`	`Thanashiba: am on the command line do you know how can I paste thru command lines ttys`
`21:37.59`	`saad3000`	`LinuxNIT-gone: shit :(`
`21:38.25`	`saad3000`	`ok i will pastebin it`
`21:38.26`	`saad3000`	`a sec`
`21:38.29`	`Thanashiba`	`what ?`
`21:38.35`	`Thanashiba`	`oh`
`21:38.36`	`Thanashiba`	`gpm`
`21:38.41`	`Thanashiba`	`apt, gpm`
`21:38.44`	`apt`	`A mouse server for the console and xterm.. URL: ftp://animal.unipv.it/pub/gpm/gpm-1.18.0.tar.gz`
`21:39.37`	`Thanashiba`	`you have it on elive by default :P`
`21:40.42`	`LinuxNIT-gone`	`or i believe you can join some type of flodd channel and do /exec more /boot/grub/menu.lst`
`21:40.55`	`LinuxNIT-gone`	`not in here tho`
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`21:42.57`	`saad3000`	`http://pastebin.com/714283`
`21:42.58`	`saad3000`	`thana thats the menu.lst`
`21:45.08`	`saad3000`	`I wonder where is the problem..`
`21:45.30`	`LinuxNIT-gone`	`i dunno... i have to go :-/`
`21:45.42`	`saad3000`	`http://pastebin.com/714283`
`21:45.45`	`LinuxNIT-gone`	`if you figure it out will you pm me with the solution?`
`21:45.56`	`saad3000`	`I will.`
`21:45.59`	`LinuxNIT-gone`	`thanks man`
`21:46.03`	`saad3000`	`np`
`21:46.25`	`LinuxNIT-gone`	`id install 0.5 on the laptop but it wont boot :<`
`21:46.45`	`LinuxNIT-gone`	`even the new one :<`
`21:46.48`	`saad3000`	`weird man its like .12 or no elive.`
`21:46.56`	`LinuxNIT-gone`	`ok i gotta go now`
`21:46.58`	`LinuxNIT-gone`	`:-/`
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`21:47.01`	`saad3000`	`ok laterz`
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`21:48.25`	`saad3000`	`so Thanashiba is there a problem with my menu.lst?`
`21:48.42`	`metatux`	`Thanashiba sry yes i was talking about your artwork and tools. should e just very nice to have it for other distris too`
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`21:58.15`	`saad3000`	`Thanashiba: whats wrong with your site i don't think i can load it.`
`21:58.21`	`saad3000`	`http://thanatermesis.org/trac/wiki/HowtoInstallKernel`
`21:58.24`	`saad3000`	`its not loading.`
`21:59.45`	`roxville`	`saad3000, it's down for maintenance`
`22:00.29`	`saad3000`	`ohhh`
`22:00.39`	`saad3000`	`shoot`
`22:00.45`	`Thanashiba`	`saad3000, well... menu.lst looks good`
`22:00.48`	`saad3000`	`whats the command after installing the .15 kernel?`
`22:00.52`	`saad3000`	`Thanashiba: ya?`
`22:00.52`	`Thanashiba`	`apt-get -f install says anything ?`
`22:01.01`	`saad3000`	`yah I didn't do that`
`22:01.04`	`saad3000`	`i think i forgot`
`22:01.35`	`saad3000`	`0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 580 not upgraded.`
`22:01.55`	`Thanashiba`	`then no idea`
`22:02.02`	`Thanashiba`	`do you have tried to install the beta's of 0.5 ?`
`22:02.05`	`saad3000`	`damn`
`22:02.09`	`saad3000`	`no`
`22:02.20`	`saad3000`	`4get it i'll stick back to .12`
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`22:02.51`	`saad3000`	`Thanashiba: so how do I remove the .15 kernel from my system since its not working?`
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`22:04.00`	`roxville`	`yeah saad3000 try the 0.5 beta... you'll get the 2.6.15 kernel for free :)`
`22:04.19`	`saad3000`	`roxville: I can't download it man am on 6.7 K/sec`
`22:04.27`	`roxville`	`and... you can keep your home dir!`
`22:04.38`	`roxville`	`oh, shit...`
`22:04.40`	`roxville`	`ok`
`22:05.02`	`roxville`	`been there, done that`
`22:05.09`	`saad3000`	`so how do i get rid of the .15 installed kernel in a safe way?`
`22:05.25`	`Thanashiba`	`apt-get remove ?`
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`22:05.38`	`saad3000`	`roxville: by the way If i found a fast internet could you give me the address for the 0.5 beta?`
`22:06.48`	`saad3000`	`its removed 10x rox.`
`22:06.58`	`roxville`	`ftp://eshep.org/elive/isos/development/Elive-unstable-cvs20060427.iso`
`22:07.20`	`saad3000`	`but its unstable..`
`22:07.56`	`roxville`	`elive is unstable... it's only at 0.5`
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`22:08.17`	`saad3000`	`ok`
`22:08.28`	`Mutacion`	`qiubole`
`22:08.42`	`saad3000`	`when I find a fast internet place I will get that.`
`22:08.43`	`roxville`	`we are beta testers... the proud and daring few... the cream of the crop... pioneers in an unknown land...`
`22:08.51`	`wasynyt`	`:D`
`22:08.59`	`saad3000`	`yah yah yah :)`
`22:09.04`	`saad3000`	`god bless you all.`
`22:09.13`	`saad3000`	`May the force be with you :)`
`22:09.17`	`roxville`	`lol`
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`22:09.31`	`roxville`	`no no... "may the SOURCE be with you!"`
`22:09.47`	`saad3000`	`yah that rhyms too :>`
`22:10.23`	`tuxit`	`"the GNU is strong in this one"`
`22:10.48`	`roxville`	`LMAO!`
`22:11.18`	`tuxit`	`moooo`
`22:12.40`	`Mutacion`	`may the -tacos- be with me xD`
`22:13.56`	`tuxit`	`food ??`
`22:13.59`	`tuxit`	`where ??`
`22:14.11`	`Mutacion`	`what time its tuxit ?`
`22:14.19`	`tuxit`	`too late`
`22:14.38`	`Mutacion`	`wrong answer`
`22:14.43`	`Mutacion`	`apt time-to`
`22:14.44`	`apt`	`somebody said time-to was its HAMBRITA TIME!!!`
`22:14.51`	`Mutacion`	`lol xD`
`22:14.52`	`tuxit`	`bling bling`
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`22:17.02`	`Elive_user3`	`apt, changenick`
`22:17.03`	`apt`	`hmm... changenick is Elive_user Elive_user2 Elive_user3, please change their nickname, if not, no more users can be posible to enter in the channel, you can change it with /nick yournewnick`
`22:19.03`	`saad3000`	`shit i forgot how to change the .jpg to .edj`
`22:19.48`	`roxville`	`saad3000, the background?`
`22:19.56`	`roxville`	`elpanel :)`
`22:20.12`	`saad3000`	`using the commandline`
`22:20.43`	`roxville`	`ok... be that way...`
`22:21.00`	`Mutacion`	`:p`
`22:22.06`	`wasynyt`	`hmm`
`22:23.19`	`roxville`	`saad3000, to be painfully honest... i don't know...`
`22:24.48`	`roxville`	`Mutacion, have another hambrita, maybe it'll come back to you :)`
`22:24.54`	`wasynyt`	`:D`
`22:25.02`	`Mutacion`	`haha maybe later.. i need to sleep`
`22:25.41`	`Mutacion`	`ive been sleeping 4 hrs this week :s and it hasnt finish yet =/ tomorrow i have classes....mm..until sunday ill rest`
`22:27.09`	`roxville`	`:/`
`22:27.49`	`Mutacion`	`ill sleep today 2hrs this afternoon...at night i have to do some things :s... it will be a long night..`
`22:28.34`	`saad3000`	`e17setroot -n`
`22:29.24`	`roxville`	`saad3000, but that doesn't make an edj... you are just setting the root window for terminal transparency`
`22:29.52`	`saad3000`	`no`
`22:30.06`	`saad3000`	`the Esetroot would set the root window for the terminal transp`
`22:30.17`	`saad3000`	`fo e17setroot -n bla.jpg`
`22:30.26`	`saad3000`	`would convert the .jpg image to a .edj`
`22:30.45`	`saad3000`	`and place it under the background directory in .e/e/backgrounds`
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`22:31.49`	`roxville`	`very good :)`
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`22:31.59`	`saad3000`	`try it.`
`22:32.00`	`Mutacion`	`saad3000, post it on the wikki xD`
`22:32.15`	`saad3000`	`4gget it its not a bigdeal`
`22:32.54`	`wasynyt`	`:/`
`22:33.19`	`roxville`	`wow... i think i was thinking faster than i typed...`
`22:33.24`	`saad3000`	`LOL`
`22:33.26`	`saad3000`	`same as wasynyt`
`22:33.28`	`saad3000`	`;>`
`22:33.37`	`roxville`	`ok, i gotta get ready for my gig... and i'm cooking dinner`
`22:33.47`	`saad3000`	`roxville: save some for us!`
`22:33.51`	`roxville`	`life is hard for a stay-at-home musician :)`
`22:33.51`	`wasynyt`	`:D`
`22:33.52`	`saad3000`	`fax them.`
`22:33.58`	`wasynyt`	`:D`
`22:34.20`	`wasynyt`	`what kind of music you make roxville`
`22:34.22`	`roxville`	`pork chops and steamed veggies... yum`
`22:34.30`	`wasynyt`	`:S`
`22:34.32`	`saad3000`	`Well, due to all the technologies in the world they didn't even figure out how to fax physical things ;>`
`22:34.39`	`wasynyt`	`:D`
`22:34.46`	`wasynyt`	`they are working on that`
`22:34.50`	`saad3000`	`iamgine faxing myself to a girl in south america :>`
`22:34.53`	`roxville`	`wasynyt, just regular crap... you know brown eyed girl and sweet home alabama... and such`
`22:34.55`	`saad3000`	`I hope so.`
`22:35.25`	`wasynyt`	`roxville what style.. rock/country/pop etc ?`
`22:36.52`	`saad3000`	`I think its ROCK "hence roxville" hence it Rhyms.`
`22:37.00`	`wasynyt`	`:D`
`22:37.03`	`saad3000`	`hence am gona hit the sack, goodnight all`
`22:37.09`	`wasynyt`	`good night`
`22:37.51`	`roxville`	`lol`
`22:38.14`	`roxville`	`actually my nick comes from a band name i thought up "roxville junction"`
`22:38.22`	`wasynyt`	`:D`
`22:38.25`	`roxville`	`the perfect mix between rock and country`
`22:38.30`	`wasynyt`	`k`
`22:38.35`	`roxville`	`wasynyt, hold on`
`22:38.44`	`wasynyt`	`roger`
`22:38.47`	`wasynyt`	`i will`
`22:39.14`	`roxville`	`http://71.204.226.14/public_html/Chris_Recordings/Standing_On_Your_Doorstep.mp3`
`22:39.22`	`roxville`	`this is how i sound now... about`
`22:39.40`	`roxville`	`http://71.204.226.14/public_html/Greasy_Saddles/Greasy%20Saddles-Diesel%20&%20dus.mp3`
`22:39.49`	`roxville`	`that one is with my old band in sweden`
`22:39.52`	`roxville`	`there`
`22:40.01`	`roxville`	`ok guys, have a good night :)`
`22:40.39`	`wasynyt`	`hmm thats is pretty good...`
`22:41.01`	`wasynyt`	`ok i will go to bed now`
`22:41.05`	`wasynyt`	`good night everyone`
`22:41.08`	`wasynyt`	`:D`
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`22:56.38`	`Duvelr`	`hola canal`
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`23:20.38`	`goldstein`	`hello`
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