irclog2html for #elive on 20060702

`00:00.28`	`Mtraker`	`ok`
`00:00.54`	`Thanatermesis`	`hasta pronto muta`
`00:01.44`	`Mutacion`	`nos vemos thana, alrato regreso :P dejo la pecera(pc) prendida`
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`00:25.16`	`facade`	`Thanatermesis: I was able to load the settings for urxvt; all I'm missing now is the transparency... how do you make the background blur for Elive's terminal and X-Chat?`
`00:26.28`	`Thanatermesis`	`hehe, this is a secret ;)`
`00:26.44`	`facade`	`aww, come on! I'm sooo close....`
`00:26.56`	`Thanatermesis`	`esetroot -s file.jpg`
`00:27.03`	`Thanatermesis`	`or a similar thing..`
`00:27.23`	`facade`	`yeah, but I looked all over Elive's file system for blurred verions of the background but couldn't find any`
`00:27.43`	`Thanatermesis`	`well, made your own blurr`
`00:27.53`	`facade`	`yeah, I suppose I could...`
`00:29.33`	`facade`	`but still, won't esetroot set a new background? How did you get the blurring AND an animated background?`
`00:29.57`	`facade`	`oh right, it's a secret :P`
`00:33.54`	`Thanatermesis`	`elpanel`
`00:35.42`	`facade`	`I don't have a panel... I'm using my own amd64 build of E`
`00:36.09`	`facade`	`but that's a good idea -- you should start making packages for the panel here -- http://enlightenment.freedesktop.org/`
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`00:37.27`	`facade`	`snapshots, not packages`
`00:38.30`	`facade`	`or maybe I can get it from cvs`
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`01:16.48`	`coyote10`	`se egrub deja de dormir hombre`
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`02:11.07`	`Elive_user33`	`ah`
`02:12.10`	`Elive_user33`	`the guy that was helping me with the grub issue earlier , not here?`
`02:14.13`	`GPLGeek`	`Elive_user33, what gurb issue`
`02:14.21`	`GPLGeek`	`maybe I could fix it`
`02:14.41`	`GPLGeek`	`paste your conf file at pastebin.com and give me the url and then tell me what's wrong`
`02:16.05`	`Elive_user33`	`ok, well, we had a problem where grub wasn't loading (failed to find operating system), then he had me do a couple of things, which got my grub to show the OS selection menu, but that's as far as we got, because my internet connection went down as I was rebooting to come back and report the results`
`02:16.48`	`GPLGeek`	`how many hard drives do you have on the system`
`02:17.18`	`Elive_user33`	`so currenlty I am able to load the install from the CD, but cannot get to desktop (xserver problem there), so I am runninglive... have only one drive now`
`02:17.43`	`GPLGeek`	`how many partitions on the drive, and what types`
`02:18.29`	`Elive_user33`	`think 3 , / , /home and swap ... would it help if I gave the error I got from where he and I last left off?`
`02:18.49`	`GPLGeek`	`ok`
`02:19.53`	`GPLGeek`	`Are all of the paths set correctly for the menu`
`02:20.07`	`Elive_user33`	`kernel /boot/vmlinuz-root= /dev/hda2`
`02:20.07`	`Elive_user33`	`<Elive_user33> : Cannot mount Selected partitionerror`
`02:20.32`	`GPLGeek`	`were you using reiserfs?`
`02:21.05`	`Elive_user33`	`think they were , might have been ext, let me check`
`02:21.20`	`GPLGeek`	`It seems as if maybe they got mixed up as to what they would be loading?`
`02:21.30`	`GPLGeek`	`or the path to the hard drive was wrong`
`02:22.09`	`Elive_user33`	`well first I wasn't able to get to that point, but he hasd me do some grub commands, that led me to there, so I am at least one step further than I was before`
`02:22.24`	`GPLGeek`	`OR, at the end of the line does it say "vga=" or does it have "vga=XXX" where XXX are numbers`
`02:22.30`	`Elive_user33`	`also I forgot command to cat the mounts?`
`02:22.52`	`Elive_user33`	`oh, yes, the vga, I overlooked that, on my notepaper...`
`02:23.09`	`GPLGeek`	`if you mount the file system you can nano /boot/grub/menu.lst`
`02:23.14`	`Elive_user33`	`vga=0x317`
`02:23.33`	`GPLGeek`	`1280x1024 i think`
`02:23.38`	`GPLGeek`	`ok that's fine`
`02:23.44`	`GPLGeek`	`i was just looking for missing parameters`
`02:23.55`	`GPLGeek`	`or maybe that was x800`
`02:23.57`	`Elive_user33`	`no no, from the hard drive install like normal boot up, I had to do some commands to get grub to at least load (otherwise OS was not found)`
`02:23.57`	`GPLGeek`	`either way....`
`02:24.15`	`Elive_user33`	`k.. go on :)`
`02:24.24`	`GPLGeek`	`oh.. so grub was not showing up at all?`
`02:24.26`	`GPLGeek`	`hmm`
`02:24.56`	`GPLGeek`	`maybe you need to write 000s to the master boot record and try again`
`02:24.56`	`Elive_user33`	`right, but it is now, and goes as far as to show the menu to select the OS, but when I select normal selection I got the error listed above`
`02:25.31`	`Elive_user33`	`if I clear the mbr I'll have to start all over again, which was right about where we were at :)`
`02:25.53`	`GPLGeek`	`well... mkdir /mnt/install && mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/install`
`02:25.55`	`LinuxNIT`	`what is the error?`
`02:26.09`	`GPLGeek`	`cd /mnt/install/boot/grub`
`02:26.13`	`GPLGeek`	`nano menu.lst`
`02:26.41`	`Elive_user33`	`see the partitons were there, because I could boot the HD install from using the menu off of the livecd, but could not get even to grub from the HD alone, but we are now as far as getting grub to show tyhr selection menu, now we have to get the selections fixed up`
`02:26.46`	`GPLGeek`	`you can modify grub there`
`02:27.07`	`GPLGeek`	`i just need to know what that line says`
`02:27.48`	`Elive_user33`	`ok I have 26 lines, anything more specif you want me to paste?`
`02:28.04`	`GPLGeek`	`the one you use to boot`
`02:28.27`	`GPLGeek`	`normal mode`
`02:28.34`	`Elive_user33`	`title Elive GNU/Linux kernel 2.6.12`
`02:28.34`	`Elive_user33`	`<PROTECTED>`
`02:28.34`	`Elive_user33`	`<PROTECTED>`
`02:28.34`	`Elive_user33`	`<PROTECTED>`
`02:29.05`	`GPLGeek`	`is this elive .4.2`
`02:29.22`	`Elive_user33`	`yes`
`02:29.55`	`GPLGeek`	`root (hd0,0)`
`02:30.04`	`GPLGeek`	`<PROTECTED>`
`02:30.12`	`GPLGeek`	`initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.12`
`02:30.13`	`GPLGeek`	`try that`
`02:30.28`	`GPLGeek`	`if it doesn't work then you should panic and start throwing daggers at your monitor`
`02:30.33`	`GPLGeek`	`=)`
`02:30.50`	`Elive_user33`	`k, I am on live, so need some assistance on how to get that into the HD..hehe shh on the daggers`
`02:30.58`	`GPLGeek`	`I seem to think that if your / is first then..... it needs to be 0`
`02:31.07`	`Elive_user33`	`I had the daggers out when I rebooted to get a disconnetion from internet, lol`
`02:31.13`	`GPLGeek`	`just type it in and press control-o`
`02:31.24`	`Elive_user33`	`k`
`02:31.33`	`GPLGeek`	`then control-x`
`02:31.35`	`GPLGeek`	`then reboot`
`02:31.37`	`GPLGeek`	`test it`
`02:31.58`	`GPLGeek`	`if it does not work either, come back and ask for help again, or get .5 and try that (most people like .5 a lot more)`
`02:32.51`	`GPLGeek`	`grub is easy, once you know it`
`02:32.57`	`Elive_user33`	`ok, here I go again with the reboot, this time I am hoping the modem will be connected when I boot up to retrun with results... fingers crossed on that`
`02:33.05`	`GPLGeek`	`you could also use gparted right now and SEE where the partitions are`
`02:33.08`	`GPLGeek`	`so you dont have to guess`
`02:33.44`	`GPLGeek`	`figure out where / is and I can give you the exact command`
`02:33.50`	`LinuxNIT`	`Elive_user33, are you the guy i helped earlier?`
`02:33.56`	`GPLGeek`	`LinuxNIT, ya`
`02:34.02`	`LinuxNIT`	`then hda1 should be it`
`02:34.23`	`LinuxNIT`	`so hd0,0 should fix it`
`02:34.27`	`GPLGeek`	`he had hda2, so i gave him the other line to try`
`02:34.32`	`LinuxNIT`	`yeah`
`02:34.38`	`GPLGeek`	`so my text should work =)`
`02:34.39`	`LinuxNIT`	`well at least grub comes up now`
`02:34.41`	`LinuxNIT`	`lol`
`02:34.57`	`Elive_user33`	`yes, I thought you was the guy that was helping me, I am about to reboot and see if his idea works,, I am deeply sorry LinuxNIT , I lost internet connect the moment I pressed enter after "reboot"`
`02:35.09`	`LinuxNIT`	`thats ok`
`02:35.12`	`LinuxNIT`	`no worries`
`02:35.26`	`GPLGeek`	`I have like NO time for helping people now that I have a ton of credits to take in the summer classes`
`02:35.33`	`GPLGeek`	`But I like doing it`
`02:35.39`	`Elive_user33`	`ok, so I am safe to go on and reboot with GPLGeek 's instructions then?`
`02:35.48`	`LinuxNIT`	`oh yeah`
`02:35.53`	`LinuxNIT`	`he knows a hell of a lot more than i do`
`02:36.15`	`GPLGeek`	`I dont know anything, that's google's job... I can just figure things out`
`02:36.29`	`Elive_user33`	`ok, let's keep fingers crossed for connection this tme, :) and if I don't catch wither one of you I want to say thanks, but I'll be back as soon as I get reconnected :)`
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`02:37.10`	`GPLGeek`	`Oh before you go your trouble support ticket is #32894u293cfascdf32qw8e7fasdkfsdhfioasfh74w3if2389hasdfhasd8f78e4fhaksdfh834whruiqfhwieh87h3qhwef8a7seh87haiuahse#ifoajwe98a9w4fja in case you need help again`
`02:37.19`	`LinuxNIT`	`lol`
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`02:40.39`	`GPLGeek`	`so I have to program an address book`
`02:40.46`	`GPLGeek`	`I was like "cool"`
`02:40.56`	`GPLGeek`	`until.... Teacher sees mysql code`
`02:41.09`	`GPLGeek`	`"YOU CAN'T GET AWAY THAT EASY HAHAHAHA"`
`02:41.15`	`LinuxNIT`	`lol`
`02:41.29`	`GPLGeek`	`He's like sir, you can't even use get/write privateprofilestring`
`02:41.35`	`GPLGeek`	`I'm like "WTF"`
`02:41.44`	`LinuxNIT`	`why not?`
`02:42.41`	`GPLGeek`	`so it's like ifstream infile; ofstream outfile; infile.open("C:\\text.txt"); outfile.open("C:\\text.txt");`
`02:42.45`	`GPLGeek`	`!!!!`
`02:42.48`	`GPLGeek`	`NOOOOOOO`
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`02:43.08`	`GPLGeek`	`Comma seperated values`
`02:43.22`	`LinuxNIT`	`so why cant you use it?`
`02:43.26`	`LinuxNIT`	`makes it too easy ?`
`02:43.37`	`GPLGeek`	`After I got done throwing up blood and breaking every bone in my body.... I wrote that code`
`02:43.53`	`LinuxNIT`	`????`
`02:43.59`	`GPLGeek`	`I'm going to give it some structure. Make it work`
`02:44.05`	`GPLGeek`	`Why? SQL makes it too easy`
`02:44.21`	`GPLGeek`	`he wants us to know how to maintain proprietary data systems`
`02:44.28`	`GPLGeek`	`which I guess is good becasue most programs use them`
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`02:45.36`	`LinuxNIT`	`probably`
`02:45.54`	`adamant1988`	`I can't wait for WINE to stop being a beta app...`
`02:46.06`	`LinuxNIT`	`thatll be a while`
`02:46.06`	`GPLGeek`	`Ya, Armageddon sounds fun`
`02:46.15`	`GPLGeek`	`maybe E17 will be done by then too`
`02:46.18`	`LinuxNIT`	`dont hold youre breath`
`02:46.32`	`GPLGeek`	`you do know that wine can never be complete`
`02:46.37`	`adamant1988`	`haha, seriously though... I try to install photoshop 7.0... it installs like a dream... when I run it... crash...`
`02:46.43`	`GPLGeek`	`too many 3rd party proprietaries`
`02:46.49`	`GPLGeek`	`safedisk/securom/etc`
`02:47.01`	`LinuxNIT`	`adamant1988, #winehq is more than happy to help people get apps running`
`02:47.02`	`GPLGeek`	`half of the functionality will have to be user_hacked`
`02:47.14`	`LinuxNIT`	`have helped me before`
`02:47.18`	`adamant1988`	`they couldn't do it, theres a problem in the wine code`
`02:47.26`	`adamant1988`	`I had to use crossover office`
`02:47.40`	`GPLGeek`	`As I remember it runs on reactos`
`02:47.43`	`GPLGeek`	`a FREE windows`
`02:47.47`	`GPLGeek`	`open source windows`
`02:47.51`	`GPLGeek`	`but.... it's buggy still`
`02:47.58`	`GPLGeek`	`in heavy development`
`02:48.04`	`adamant1988`	`when react os is something close to finished lol...`
`02:48.12`	`adamant1988`	`yeah, I like it, impressive and inspiring project`
`02:48.23`	`adamant1988`	`they're working really closely with WINE as I understand it.`
`02:48.49`	`LinuxNIT`	`well i hope elive-user33 makes it back... i gtg for a bit`
`02:48.52`	`LinuxNIT`	`bbiab`
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`03:17.26`	`LinuxNIT`	`not looking too good for Elive_user33 :-/`
`03:17.51`	`pales_rider`	`you killed another one?`
`03:18.00`	`LinuxNIT`	`mwhahaahhahahaha`
`03:18.09`	`LinuxNIT`	`howdy pales_rider`
`03:18.18`	`pales_rider`	`what have i told you about that?`
`03:18.25`	`pales_rider`	`hi there`
`03:18.35`	`LinuxNIT`	`too apologize right before the death stroke?`
`03:18.48`	`pales_rider`	`exactly`
`03:18.52`	`LinuxNIT`	`i did`
`03:18.54`	`LinuxNIT`	`;)`
`03:18.56`	`pales_rider`	`ok then`
`03:19.03`	`pales_rider`	`carry on`
`03:19.15`	`LinuxNIT`	`well right after anyway`
`03:19.20`	`LinuxNIT`	`but he was still concious`
`03:19.30`	`pales_rider`	`ok that works`
`03:19.40`	`LinuxNIT`	`it was like this:`
`03:19.48`	`LinuxNIT`	`rm -r /`
`03:19.50`	`LinuxNIT`	`....`
`03:19.52`	`LinuxNIT`	`oh sorry`
`03:19.53`	`LinuxNIT`	`wait`
`03:19.54`	`pales_rider`	`lol`
`03:20.07`	`LinuxNIT`	`too late by then :-/`
`03:20.11`	`pales_rider`	`uh huh`
`03:21.19`	`LinuxNIT`	`so how are you doin`
`03:21.30`	`pales_rider`	`im tired`
`03:21.37`	`LinuxNIT`	`long week?`
`03:22.01`	`pales_rider`	`yeah`
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`03:22.25`	`LinuxNIT`	`wb roxville`
`03:22.26`	`pales_rider`	`i wa productive today..unlike someone i know`
`03:22.54`	`pales_rider`	`hi chris`
`03:23.12`	`LinuxNIT`	`i was productive all week.... today was a break`
`03:23.20`	`pales_rider`	`no no`
`03:23.31`	`LinuxNIT`	`are youre not accusing ME this time?`
`03:23.48`	`LinuxNIT`	`s/are/oh`
`03:23.58`	`pales_rider`	`sure i am`
`03:24.13`	`pales_rider`	`i mmeant...no no...thats not right`
`03:24.29`	`LinuxNIT`	`oh well....`
`03:24.32`	`LinuxNIT`	`it actually is`
`03:24.49`	`LinuxNIT`	`remember... dad was out of town....`
`03:25.10`	`pales_rider`	`yeah..my ex husband left town 6 years ago..lol`
`03:25.25`	`LinuxNIT`	`well MY DAD came back`
`03:25.30`	`LinuxNIT`	`so ha`
`03:25.32`	`pales_rider`	`lucky for you`
`03:25.37`	`LinuxNIT`	`:D`
`03:25.45`	`pales_rider`	`cause you couldnt handle it...lol`
`03:25.48`	`LinuxNIT`	`yeah cause now i can be unproductive again`
`03:25.53`	`pales_rider`	`thats right`
`03:26.02`	`LinuxNIT`	`actually we did quite well...`
`03:26.12`	`LinuxNIT`	`we got all jobs done that could get done`
`03:26.20`	`LinuxNIT`	`some people just dont call ya back`
`03:26.24`	`LinuxNIT`	`freaking morons`
`03:26.36`	`pales_rider`	`uh huh`
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`03:32.44`	`LinuxNIT`	`pales_rider, wheres your horse? i dont see him any more?`
`03:33.08`	`pales_rider`	`hes around`
`03:33.18`	`LinuxNIT`	`bad timing i guess`
`03:33.18`	`pales_rider`	`he doesnt come in here much anymore`
`03:33.22`	`LinuxNIT`	`ah`
`03:33.30`	`LinuxNIT`	`we scared him off aye`
`03:33.46`	`pales_rider`	`he's into zenwalk now`
`03:34.20`	`LinuxNIT`	`is that some kind of freaky meditaion crap?`
`03:34.47`	`LinuxNIT`	`like meditating while you walk?`
`03:34.51`	`LinuxNIT`	`:D`
`03:35.06`	`pales_rider`	`yeah thats it`
`03:35.34`	`LinuxNIT`	`wow lucky guess`
`03:35.38`	`LinuxNIT`	`it was the name ;)`
`03:36.26`	`pales_rider`	`must be`
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`03:37.04`	`pales_rider`	`sit still chris`
`03:37.22`	`LinuxNIT`	`hes got ants in his pants... i sent them over earlier`
`03:37.34`	`LinuxNIT`	`:D`
`03:37.44`	`LinuxNIT`	`good boy roxville good boy`
`03:37.51`	`LinuxNIT`	`;)`
`03:37.56`	`pales_rider`	`have a cookie`
`03:38.25`	`roxville`	`we just set up the cable today... and my wife's computer is still not connected... so she pulled the plug from mine...`
`03:38.37`	`LinuxNIT`	`wtf`
`03:38.39`	`roxville`	`:D`
`03:39.06`	`LinuxNIT`	`women... i swear....`
`03:39.10`	`pales_rider`	`grounds for divorce`
`03:39.22`	`roxville`	`lol`
`03:39.36`	`roxville`	`nah... i'll let it slide this time...`
`03:39.36`	`LinuxNIT`	`:-/`
`03:39.57`	`pales_rider`	`ok...but if it happens again....`
`03:40.03`	`roxville`	`pales_rider, LinuxNIT seems to be hell benmt on messing with you`
`03:40.14`	`LinuxNIT`	`she started it`
`03:40.19`	`pales_rider`	`have you noticed that?`
`03:40.24`	`roxville`	`lol`
`03:40.35`	`pales_rider`	`and then he will do just what he did now..try to blame it on me`
`03:40.39`	`LinuxNIT`	`everytime i say hi to her she has to say something about me not being productive`
`03:40.44`	`LinuxNIT`	`yep`
`03:40.48`	`LinuxNIT`	`of course`
`03:40.52`	`roxville`	`hehe`
`03:41.03`	`roxville`	`pales_rider, i think he likes you...`
`03:41.18`	`pales_rider`	`and rox..the other day he even said i was being mean`
`03:41.33`	`pales_rider`	`have you ever heard me be mean?`
`03:41.34`	`LinuxNIT`	`well you WERE`
`03:41.38`	`LinuxNIT`	`;)`
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`03:41.53`	`adamant1988`	`roxville :)`
`03:41.53`	`roxville`	`a lot of guys do stuff like that because they can't express affection in any other way`
`03:42.00`	`adamant1988`	`woah`
`03:42.02`	`adamant1988`	`do stuff like what?`
`03:42.03`	`LinuxNIT`	`lol`
`03:42.22`	`LinuxNIT`	`yeah roxville you called it.....`
`03:42.23`	`roxville`	`he does the same to me... almost`
`03:42.27`	`LinuxNIT`	`am i that transparent?`
`03:42.28`	`pales_rider`	`lol`
`03:42.32`	`pales_rider`	`uh huh`
`03:42.36`	`LinuxNIT`	`well damn it`
`03:42.50`	`adamant1988`	`wait do what?`
`03:42.54`	`adamant1988`	`I want in on this convo`
`03:42.55`	`LinuxNIT`	`ill have to be more subtle now`
`03:43.01`	`LinuxNIT`	`:o`
`03:43.03`	`roxville`	`and a butt-pinch`
`03:43.09`	`pales_rider`	`LOL`
`03:43.29`	`pales_rider`	`oh now you embarassed him`
`03:43.31`	`roxville`	`adamant1988, just give LinuxNIT a hug and see what happens :D`
`03:43.43`	`pales_rider`	`yeah...hmmm is it bennifitts?`
`03:43.48`	`roxville`	`hehe`
`03:43.49`	`LinuxNIT`	`nope`
`03:44.00`	`roxville`	`LMAO`
`03:44.03`	`adamant1988`	`yay`
`03:44.03`	`roxville`	`awwww`
`03:44.09`	`LinuxNIT`	`adamant1988, didnt pinch my butt`
`03:44.27`	`pales_rider`	`hmmmm`
`03:44.31`	`roxville`	`hehe`
`03:44.35`	`pales_rider`	`too much male bonding for me`
`03:44.40`	`adamant1988`	`playing hard to get eh?`
`03:44.40`	`roxville`	`pales_rider, don't say a word...`
`03:44.48`	`LinuxNIT`	`lol`
`03:44.53`	`roxville`	`they're having a moment...`
`03:44.57`	`pales_rider`	`so i see`
`03:45.07`	`LinuxNIT`	`next one wont be so friendly`
`03:45.09`	`adamant1988`	`roxville did you ever get ai?`
`03:45.13`	`roxville`	`<adamant1988> playing hard to get eh? <-- LOOOL`
`03:45.31`	`pales_rider`	`hahahahaha`
`03:45.35`	`roxville`	`adamant1988, no, not yet... the move came in the way...`
`03:46.00`	`pales_rider`	`its saturday night..why arent you guys out having fun or something?`
`03:46.16`	`LinuxNIT`	`i had my fun last night`
`03:46.18`	`adamant1988`	`because I have no life, lots of pimples and my fiance is actually a 32 year married man...`
`03:46.27`	`roxville`	`i just came home from my gig...`
`03:46.39`	`roxville`	`was an early gig, from 7-10`
`03:46.43`	`adamant1988`	`or because everyone is out of town`
`03:46.46`	`LinuxNIT`	`adamant1988> because I have no life, lots of pimples and my fiance is actually a 32 year married man...<<<<WTF`
`03:46.47`	`adamant1988`	`pick whichever suits you`
`03:46.48`	`pales_rider`	`what fun was that LinuxNIT ?`
`03:46.57`	`LinuxNIT`	`went fishing`
`03:47.03`	`pales_rider`	`lol adamant`
`03:47.04`	`LinuxNIT`	`with some friends....`
`03:47.13`	`LinuxNIT`	`but didnt catch any :-/`
`03:47.14`	`pales_rider`	`fishing for what?`
`03:47.17`	`LinuxNIT`	`fish`
`03:47.19`	`LinuxNIT`	`duh`
`03:47.26`	`pales_rider`	`no shit captain obvious`
`03:47.36`	`adamant1988`	`roxville were you planning on running AI through wine or crossover?`
`03:47.39`	`LinuxNIT`	`fish + ing = a sport where you catch fish`
`03:47.44`	`LinuxNIT`	`:D`
`03:47.44`	`pales_rider`	`what kind of fish?`
`03:47.47`	`LinuxNIT`	`ohhhhh`
`03:48.00`	`LinuxNIT`	`tried for cat first then bass`
`03:48.18`	`LinuxNIT`	`fishing in lakes is pointless in oklahoma`
`03:48.22`	`roxville`	`adamant1988, i was gonna run it on the dark side`
`03:48.32`	`LinuxNIT`	`gotta use a river or sometimes ponds`
`03:48.50`	`roxville`	`lol`
`03:49.06`	`adamant1988`	`oh you were going to use windows =(`
`03:49.08`	`roxville`	`cat fish... full of crap, but very yummy`
`03:49.10`	`pales_rider`	`well if ya know the lake doesnt have fish then why try?`
`03:49.16`	`adamant1988`	`I have ps 7.0 :) it's under crossover`
`03:49.23`	`adamant1988`	`Wine didn't like it much.`
`03:49.27`	`LinuxNIT`	`roxville, just dont eat the mudcats`
`03:49.31`	`LinuxNIT`	`they are disgusting`
`03:49.40`	`roxville`	`hehe`
`03:49.53`	`LinuxNIT`	`pales_rider, it was a lake we hadnt tried yet`
`03:49.56`	`pales_rider`	`pale_horse caught lots of catfish today..and a 120# spoonbill that pulled him out of the boat..he he he`
`03:50.04`	`LinuxNIT`	`lol`
`03:50.06`	`LinuxNIT`	`nice`
`03:50.17`	`roxville`	`wow, awesome!`
`03:50.39`	`pales_rider`	`LinuxNIT, , have you heard of table rock lake?`
`03:50.50`	`LinuxNIT`	`sounds familiar`
`03:50.57`	`LinuxNIT`	`arkansas?`
`03:51.08`	`pales_rider`	`HUGE lake in southwest MO and into arkansas`
`03:51.16`	`LinuxNIT`	`oohhh im goooood`
`03:51.18`	`LinuxNIT`	`lol`
`03:51.35`	`pales_rider`	`thats where he lives`
`03:51.40`	`LinuxNIT`	`cool`
`03:51.47`	`pales_rider`	`and fishes...`
`03:51.55`	`pales_rider`	`for fish of course`
`03:52.10`	`pales_rider`	`cause thats what you catch when you fish`
`03:52.16`	`LinuxNIT`	`by brother was "fish"ing for me yesterday`
`03:52.18`	`pales_rider`	`so i was told`
`03:52.26`	`LinuxNIT`	`hooked me 1 inch below the eye`
`03:52.47`	`LinuxNIT`	`scared me pretty good`
`03:52.58`	`adamant1988`	`ouch`
`03:52.59`	`pales_rider`	`and what was his first clue you werent a fish?`
`03:53.05`	`LinuxNIT`	`my scream`
`03:53.15`	`adamant1988`	`I've been through a lot of painful stuff, but that made me cringe.`
`03:53.28`	`pales_rider`	`thanks`
`03:53.39`	`LinuxNIT`	`well odd thing is you cant even see a mark there now`
`03:53.51`	`LinuxNIT`	`but it did puncture`
`03:54.09`	`pales_rider`	`you're lucky`
`03:54.17`	`LinuxNIT`	`or blessed ;)`
`03:54.27`	`pales_rider`	`oh yeah i forgot`
`03:54.31`	`pales_rider`	`yes blessed`
`03:54.34`	`LinuxNIT`	`:D`
`03:55.12`	`pales_rider`	`can i go to sleep now?`
`03:55.24`	`LinuxNIT`	`well....`
`03:55.37`	`LinuxNIT`	`beats me`
`03:55.59`	`roxville`	`pales_rider, do you want to?`
`03:56.09`	`roxville`	`are you tired?`
`03:56.14`	`pales_rider`	`i washed and waxed my car and conditioned the leather and cleaned all the windows and vaccuumed it and it was hot`
`03:56.15`	`LinuxNIT`	`do you have the ability?`
`03:56.24`	`roxville`	`has the sand man sprinkled sand in your eyes?`
`03:56.25`	`pales_rider`	`and im tired`
`03:56.32`	`pales_rider`	`yes rox he has`
`03:56.39`	`roxville`	`ok...`
`03:56.41`	`pales_rider`	`do i have the ability?`
`03:56.43`	`pales_rider`	`hmm`
`03:56.45`	`roxville`	`then you can :)`
`03:56.53`	`LinuxNIT`	`can refers to ablility ;)`
`03:56.54`	`pales_rider`	`thank you`
`03:57.03`	`LinuxNIT`	`may refers to permission`
`03:57.04`	`roxville`	`yw :)`
`03:57.04`	`LinuxNIT`	`;)`
`03:57.11`	`LinuxNIT`	`gnight pales_rider`
`03:57.30`	`roxville`	`sleep tight patty :)`
`03:57.34`	`pales_rider`	`and he wonders why i wanna smack him upside his head sometimes..lol`
`03:57.41`	`LinuxNIT`	`:D`
`03:57.49`	`LinuxNIT`	`i dont care go for it`
`03:57.54`	`LinuxNIT`	`i proably deserve it`
`03:57.57`	`pales_rider`	`you might like it`
`03:58.02`	`pales_rider`	`good night guys`
`03:58.02`	`LinuxNIT`	`hmmmm`
`03:58.08`	`LinuxNIT`	`dunnno bout that`
`03:58.11`	`LinuxNIT`	`but gnight`
`03:58.22`	`pales_rider`	`gnight`
`04:01.18`	`roxville`	`i'll see you guys tomorrow`
`04:01.20`	`LinuxNIT`	`roxville, thats what God invented sleep for`
`04:01.23`	`LinuxNIT`	`cya`
`04:01.27`	`LinuxNIT`	`have a good one`
`04:01.28`	`roxville`	`hehe`
`04:01.36`	`roxville`	`you too bud :)`
`04:02.15`	`roxville`	`:DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD`
`04:02.27`	`LinuxNIT`	`solved that problem`
`04:02.45`	`adamant1988`	`no... now roxville will just have to use teeth...`
`04:02.58`	`adamant1988`	`makes the problem worse if you ask me...`
`04:03.29`	`LinuxNIT`	`well if he does that ill tie him up and pull his teath`
`04:03.35`	`LinuxNIT`	`*teeth`
`04:04.30`	`GPLGeek`	`revjdenk been around lately?`
`04:04.38`	`adamant1988`	`he came in earlier today`
`04:04.39`	`LinuxNIT`	`was here the other night`
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`04:04.58`	`adamant1988`	`He's moving to Elkins, I'm excited :)`
`04:05.07`	`LinuxNIT`	`so it came thru?`
`04:05.15`	`adamant1988`	`he says it's VERY likely`
`04:05.21`	`LinuxNIT`	`cool`
`04:05.36`	`adamant1988`	`that's basically code for "Yeah, but just to be on the safe side I'll straddle the fence"`
`04:05.57`	`LinuxNIT`	`hehe`
`04:06.22`	`GPLGeek`	`ya i wanted to talk to him about that`
`04:06.39`	`adamant1988`	`oh yeah?`
`04:06.51`	`GPLGeek`	`instead of WV he needs to move to CA`
`04:06.56`	`adamant1988`	`NO!`
`04:07.57`	`LinuxNIT`	`GPLGeek, whats your opinion of dell laptops?`
`04:08.25`	`GPLGeek`	`heh.... um`
`04:08.33`	`GPLGeek`	`well ask if you can have it without windows`
`04:08.38`	`LinuxNIT`	`used`
`04:08.50`	`GPLGeek`	`the windows on it does not even pass WGA ROFL`
`04:08.54`	`GPLGeek`	`i love that fact`
`04:08.55`	`LinuxNIT`	`i dont wanna pay for a new right now`
`04:09.04`	`LinuxNIT`	`WGA?`
`04:09.04`	`GPLGeek`	`used, batteries will cost more than the laptop is worth`
`04:09.08`	`adamant1988`	`get one from system 76 :)`
`04:09.17`	`adamant1988`	`Windows Genuine Advantage`
`04:09.17`	`LinuxNIT`	`system76?`
`04:09.18`	`GPLGeek`	`Windows Genuine Advantage lol.... It's funny read about it`
`04:09.23`	`LinuxNIT`	`lol`
`04:09.24`	`LinuxNIT`	`k`
`04:09.33`	`GPLGeek`	`I have to deal with that becasue my family uses windows`
`04:09.35`	`adamant1988`	`system76 sells systems with linux preinstalled.`
`04:09.40`	`GPLGeek`	`ms tries to extort money out of users`
`04:09.52`	`GPLGeek`	`spyware/adware/malware by ms to get your money`
`04:10.10`	`adamant1988`	`windows is made for spyware and viruses`
`04:10.24`	`GPLGeek`	`it comes with alexia, a known spyware`
`04:10.27`	`GPLGeek`	`it's funny`
`04:10.34`	`GPLGeek`	`I just dont like dealing with it`
`04:10.40`	`GPLGeek`	`that's why we get our school to switch`
`04:10.46`	`GPLGeek`	`we now use elive cd's and gcc to program`
`04:10.47`	`adamant1988`	`I think that MS could have fixed them a long time ago... but they wouldn't want to kill a branch of a perfectly good service and software market.`
`04:10.57`	`GPLGeek`	`I'm going to remaster a dss specific to the class`
`04:11.34`	`LinuxNIT`	`so dont buy a dell aye?`
`04:12.01`	`GPLGeek`	`Well... what one specific`
`04:12.07`	`GPLGeek`	`Make sure it's linux compatable`
`04:12.23`	`GPLGeek`	`I'd rather have a AMD laptop`
`04:12.31`	`GPLGeek`	`less expensive and better battery time`
`04:12.34`	`GPLGeek`	`more power`
`04:12.58`	`GPLGeek`	`I have a 7422gx from gateway, everything but wifi works (need 86_64 linux to get wifi working)`
`04:13.31`	`LinuxNIT`	`well im wanting to spend about 300-350 :-/`
`04:13.40`	`LinuxNIT`	`thats what i got out of stuff i just sold on ebay`
`04:13.50`	`adamant1988`	`check overstock.com`
`04:14.41`	`GPLGeek`	`batteries are about 250 if it needs to be replaced`
`04:14.45`	`GPLGeek`	`expect less than 3 hours operation time`
`04:15.02`	`GPLGeek`	`you can get a AMD linux compatable (actually ships with linux) laptop`
`04:15.05`	`GPLGeek`	`for 400`
`04:15.14`	`LinuxNIT`	`where?`
`04:15.39`	`GPLGeek`	`for an extra 133$ you get a full care package that gives you free batteries if yours run low for 3 years, and protection in case it breaks`
`04:15.47`	`GPLGeek`	`fry's limited time deal , but they always have good deals`
`04:15.56`	`GPLGeek`	`just got one that has not been opened/repacked`
`04:15.56`	`LinuxNIT`	`link?`
`04:15.59`	`GPLGeek`	`get one that is new sealed`
`04:16.07`	`GPLGeek`	`um.. dude it's a news paper`
`04:16.11`	`LinuxNIT`	`oh`
`04:16.12`	`LinuxNIT`	`lol`
`04:16.15`	`GPLGeek`	`how the hell would I pull that off`
`04:16.29`	`GPLGeek`	`it ships with linspire`
`04:16.36`	`GPLGeek`	`replace that with debian etch or elive`
`04:16.46`	`*** join/#elive Thanatermesis__ (n=Elive@8.133-136-217.adsl.skynet.be)`
`04:19.14`	`*** join/#elive root____ (n=root@201.153.60.82)`
`04:19.23`	`root____`	`hi`
`04:19.27`	`LinuxNIT`	`hi`
`04:19.36`	`root____`	`qiubole LinuxNIT`
`04:20.04`	`LinuxNIT`	`wazzzuuuuuuuuuuup root____`
`04:20.06`	`adamant1988`	`linspire...`
`04:20.08`	`root____`	`i got a pob.. how can i install grub with elive-cd cause i go a failed grub instalation with elive`
`04:20.39`	`root____`	`elive is already installed..but grub didnt appear :S`
`04:20.48`	`LinuxNIT`	`are you on the livecd now?`
`04:20.52`	`root____`	`yeah`
`04:21.01`	`LinuxNIT`	`what partition did you install elive to?`
`04:22.25`	`root____`	`hda2`
`04:22.28`	`LinuxNIT`	`grub-install /dev/hda --root-directory=/mnt/hda2`
`04:22.43`	`LinuxNIT`	`as root`
`04:22.55`	`LinuxNIT`	`but it looks like you logged into E as root`
`04:23.16`	`GPLGeek`	`Heh, a girl has a crush on me through IRC`
`04:23.16`	`root____`	`now..with elive-cd running?`
`04:23.19`	`GPLGeek`	`omg`
`04:23.24`	`LinuxNIT`	`hehe`
`04:23.30`	`LinuxNIT`	`root____, yes`
`04:23.42`	`LinuxNIT`	`assuming /dev/hda2 is mounted on /mnt/hda2`
`04:23.50`	`GPLGeek`	`I read the channel logs when I'm gone`
`04:23.55`	`LinuxNIT`	`GPLGeek, i bet your right`
`04:24.24`	`LinuxNIT`	`root____, paste the output in #elive-flood`
`04:25.04`	`root____`	`grub-install /dev/hda --root-directory=/mnt/hda2`
`04:25.34`	`LinuxNIT`	`?`
`04:25.41`	`LinuxNIT`	`did you run that?`
`04:26.29`	`LinuxNIT`	`root____, ?`
`04:27.18`	`LinuxNIT`	`:o`
`04:27.37`	`LinuxNIT`	`ooook then`
`04:45.34`	`*** join/#elive Elive_user (n=Elive_us@201.153.60.82)`
`04:45.39`	`Elive_user`	`qiubole`
`04:45.45`	`Elive_user`	`mutacion in a friends pc jiji`
`04:46.01`	`Elive_user`	`yeah! thanks LinuxNIT grub was reinstalled (y)`
`04:46.09`	`Elive_user`	`brb we are making barbaqu`
`04:46.16`	`Elive_user`	`o that thing xD`
`04:47.11`	`LinuxNIT`	`no problem Elive_user`
`04:47.26`	`LinuxNIT`	`btw were you the root____ guy?`
`04:47.32`	`LinuxNIT`	`or Elive_user33?`
`04:48.19`	`primate`	`hello`
`04:48.35`	`LinuxNIT`	`hello primate`
`04:48.37`	`primate`	`anybody love listening to elive essence`
`04:48.50`	`LinuxNIT`	`when im in the mood for it :D`
`04:50.16`	`primate`	`heh`
`04:50.18`	`primate`	`im always`
`04:51.26`	`primate`	`brb cdrom acting funny i pushed her to far...`
`04:51.35`	`*** join/#elive Elive_user55 (n=Elive_us@adsl-065-013-037-070.sip.mia.bellsouth.net)`
`04:51.57`	`LinuxNIT`	`welcome Elive_user55`
`04:51.59`	`Elive_user55`	`hey`
`04:52.15`	`LinuxNIT`	`whats up`
`04:52.55`	`*** join/#elive primate (n=primate@24.238.44.39.res-cmts.tv13.ptd.net)`
`04:53.14`	`Elive_user55`	`Ahh - I am trying to install e17 on my harddisk and GPARTED (I believe ) only seems to look for /dev/hda instaed of /dev/sda`
`04:53.38`	`LinuxNIT`	`you have sata?`
`04:53.44`	`Elive_user55`	`any clues on how to install GPARTED won't recognize any one of the 3 drives`
`04:53.50`	`Elive_user55`	`yep`
`04:53.55`	`LinuxNIT`	`open a terminal`
`04:54.04`	`Elive_user55`	`ok`
`04:54.08`	`LinuxNIT`	`lets see if the drive is seen`
`04:54.14`	`Elive_user55`	`kool`
`04:54.14`	`LinuxNIT`	`su`
`04:54.16`	`Elive_user55`	`<PROTECTED>`
`04:54.19`	`LinuxNIT`	`fdisk -l`
`04:54.28`	`LinuxNIT`	`paste the output in #elive-flood`
`04:55.04`	`Elive_user55`	`root@elive[/home/elive]# fdisk -l`
`04:55.04`	`Elive_user55`	`root@elive[/home/elive]#`
`04:55.16`	`Elive_user55`	`thats what I get`
`04:55.25`	`LinuxNIT`	`hehe`
`04:55.26`	`LinuxNIT`	`ok`
`04:55.31`	`Elive_user55`	`hahahahaha`
`04:55.35`	`LinuxNIT`	`pcimodules \| grep ata`
`04:55.59`	`LinuxNIT`	`any?`
`04:56.28`	`Elive_user55`	`just a blank prompt again`
`04:56.39`	`LinuxNIT`	`k
`04:56.43`	`LinuxNIT`	`lscpi`
`04:56.53`	`LinuxNIT`	`see the one for you sata controller?`
`04:57.01`	`LinuxNIT`	`paste that line`
`04:57.05`	`LinuxNIT`	`just the one line`
`04:57.19`	`Elive_user55`	`dude I get gaga from this terminal`
`04:57.24`	`LinuxNIT`	`?`
`04:57.30`	`Elive_user55`	`bash: lscpi: command not found`
`04:57.38`	`LinuxNIT`	`lspci`
`04:57.41`	`LinuxNIT`	`sorry`
`04:57.44`	`Elive_user55`	`ohhhhhhhhhhhh`
`04:57.48`	`LinuxNIT`	`;)`
`04:57.51`	`LinuxNIT`	`my fault`
`04:59.14`	`LinuxNIT`	`are you on 0.4.2 or 0.5?`
`04:59.19`	`Elive_user55`	`0000:00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 PCI Bridge (rev d4)`
`04:59.19`	`Elive_user55`	`0000:00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FR (ICH6/ICH6R) LPC Interface Bridge (rev 04)`
`04:59.19`	`Elive_user55`	`0000:00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) IDE Controller (rev 04)`
`04:59.19`	`Elive_user55`	`0000:00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801FR/FRW (ICH6R/ICH6RW) SATA Controller (rev 04)`
`04:59.19`	`Elive_user55`	`0000:00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) SMBus Controller (rev 04)`
`04:59.20`	`Elive_user55`	`0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV370 5B60 [Radeon X300 (PCIE)]`
`04:59.22`	`Elive_user55`	`0000:01:00.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV370 [Radeon X300SE]`
`04:59.29`	`LinuxNIT`	`i said ONE line`
`04:59.32`	`Elive_user55`	`I don't know how to tell`
`04:59.33`	`LinuxNIT`	`but anyway`
`04:59.54`	`Elive_user55`	`I am comming straight from years of being a newbie in GENTOO`
`05:00.03`	`Elive_user55`	`oops`
`05:00.14`	`LinuxNIT`	`cat /etc/elive-version`
`05:00.26`	`LinuxNIT`	`newbies are always welcome`
`05:00.42`	`Elive_user55`	`0.4.2`
`05:00.45`	`Elive_user55`	`thanks`
`05:01.20`	`LinuxNIT`	`joine #elive-flood`
`05:03.44`	`LinuxNIT`	`Elive_user55, 0.5 has better sata support.... but we can try and get it in 0.4.2 if you want`
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`05:17.47`	`LinuxNIT`	`and Thanatermesis i told him about differnece in 0.5 and 0.4.2 with sata but we got his sata working`
`05:18.08`	`LinuxNIT`	`had to run depmod for some wierd reason`
`05:20.05`	`primate`	`hey L-nit, do ya codE?`
`05:20.18`	`primate`	`linuxnit`
`05:20.27`	`LinuxNIT`	`little in python
`05:20.39`	`LinuxNIT`	`why?`
`05:20.42`	`primate`	`i love when my name is said, and i hear a "ding" lol`
`05:20.54`	`primate`	`j/w if you work on elive at all`
`05:21.02`	`LinuxNIT`	`primate,`
`05:21.07`	`primate`	`or reather something for it`
`05:21.08`	`LinuxNIT`	`;)`
`05:21.11`	`primate`	`:P`
`05:21.17`	`primate`	`rather*`
`05:21.34`	`LinuxNIT`	`well i made a app i give to people in here but other than that no i dont code FOR elive`
`05:21.46`	`LinuxNIT`	`i give it to anyone that wants it really`
`05:21.48`	`primate`	`hrmm what sor tof app`
`05:22.01`	`LinuxNIT`	`gui for scanning and configurein wifi networks`
`05:22.07`	`primate`	`not on source forge or something or the other?`
`05:22.15`	`primate`	`ohh sounds ymmy`
`05:22.21`	`primate`	`anything wireless is good`
`05:22.22`	`LinuxNIT`	`no i dont have a license on it yet`
`05:22.34`	`LinuxNIT`	`so untill then it cant go on sf.net`
`05:22.50`	`primate`	`cant u simply include the GNU licence? idk how it works spesifically`
`05:23.13`	`LinuxNIT`	`something like that.. im not sure exactly im gonna look it up one of these days`
`05:23.21`	`primate`	`yeah its a long read`
`05:23.23`	`primate`	`heh`
`05:24.09`	`primate`	`im off to puch 1s n 0s`
`05:24.11`	`primate`	`later`
`05:24.12`	`primate`	`push8`
`05:24.18`	`primate`	`puuush duuuh`
`05:24.22`	`primate`	`later lnit`
`05:24.40`	`LinuxNIT`	`later`
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`05:34.14`	`Elive_user2`	`can someone give me a hand installing vmware tools`
`05:35.00`	`LinuxNIT`	`whats the problem?`
`05:36.35`	`Elive_user2`	`i have no idea how to do it in linux...`
`05:37.52`	`LinuxNIT`	`search synaptic`
`05:37.55`	`LinuxNIT`	`its in elpanel`
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`05:38.23`	`LinuxNIT`	`lol`
`05:38.26`	`LinuxNIT`	`oops`
`05:38.29`	`LinuxNIT`	`wrong window`
`05:41.26`	`LinuxNIT`	`Elive_user2, did you find synaptic?`
`05:42.05`	`Elive_user2`	`yes`
`05:42.22`	`Elive_user2`	`it indicates already installed`
`05:42.41`	`LinuxNIT`	`well lucky you`
`05:43.16`	`Elive_user2`	`?`
`05:43.30`	`LinuxNIT`	`means you donthave to install it`
`05:44.16`	`Elive_user2`	`thats good then`
`05:47.37`	`GPLGeek`	`I had to make a program that strips the first 4 chars of a line and gets the rest of the line for processing, I was thinking how easy a log parser would be to make`
`05:48.05`	`GPLGeek`	`GNU / bash is still better, grep`
`05:48.05`	`GPLGeek`	`lol`
`05:50.27`	`LinuxNIT`	`lol`
`05:51.07`	`GPLGeek`	`Data processing classes are all about reinventing the wheel`
`05:51.24`	`GPLGeek`	`just so it can be compiled and labled "proprietary"`
`05:51.47`	`LinuxNIT`	`lol`
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`06:21.50`	`elive`	`GPLGeek and LinuxNIT , I was able to use the livecd to manually edit the menu.list, and I changed root(0,1) to root(0,0), this got me booting, but then I ran into errors and a kernel panic, some errors was that it was calling for invalid fat32 partition, invalid ext3 (and a ext2) partition, etc. So booting with a tottally different distro's livecd, the ext3 and ext2 are valid, but ther is no fat32 (it's actually free space)..`
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`06:22.38`	`GPLGeek`	`oh wow`
`06:22.44`	`GPLGeek`	`it looks like your boot sector is hosed`
`06:23.16`	`elive`	`so I will now have to reconfigure the fstab?, but am taking a break because for some rreason that livecd makes my dsl modem go into a continuous look looking for a return from the ISPs DHCP`
`06:23.31`	`GPLGeek`	`oh, it might be fstab too`
`06:23.33`	`GPLGeek`	`if it installed wrong`
`06:23.38`	`GPLGeek`	`seriously just get .5`
`06:23.53`	`elive`	`is there a way I can do that from the livecd?`
`06:23.59`	`elive`	`what is .5?`
`06:24.08`	`GPLGeek`	`the newer iso`
`06:24.38`	`GPLGeek`	`http://www.elivedev.org/elive/development/Elive-unstable-cvs20060526.iso 100MB/s up/down server`
`06:24.57`	`elive`	`wow I didn't know there was a newer one, I got the cvs one about a month ago? and it has problems with many things,`
`06:25.02`	`GPLGeek`	`its our "unstable" but its a lot better, for me at least.`
`06:25.25`	`GPLGeek`	`oh...`
`06:25.32`	`GPLGeek`	`well this was from may 26`
`06:25.34`	`elive`	`yep that's the one`
`06:25.40`	`GPLGeek`	`nvm`
`06:25.41`	`elive`	`doesn't like my system :(`
`06:26.00`	`elive`	`cvs20060526`
`06:26.55`	`elive`	`I had to put my old NV6600 back into the system , because the CD will not let Xorg configure correctly and let me use my 7300`
`06:27.06`	`GPLGeek`	`oh ya`
`06:27.13`	`GPLGeek`	`I can't use any of the elive on this system`
`06:27.18`	`GPLGeek`	`Nvidia problems`
`06:27.20`	`elive`	`just a driver issue of course`
`06:27.25`	`GPLGeek`	`it's because of proprietary drivers`
`06:27.31`	`elive`	`need a newer driver beyond 7676`
`06:28.26`	`elive`	`that is no big dal I can install the package from the nv web site, to get around that, and that also is the fix for the network (modem into continuous loop)`
`06:28.53`	`GPLGeek`	`Well I run SLI`
`06:28.59`	`GPLGeek`	`and there are other problems`
`06:29.00`	`elive`	`I feel bad I hosed my 2.4 so badly, it was always running nicely`
`06:29.46`	`elive`	`I have sli too, but not big on it, my motherboard lets me select the card from the bios`
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`06:30.33`	`GPLGeek`	`Having 2 7600s really kicks ass when it's working`
`06:30.45`	`GPLGeek`	`Hola`
`06:31.03`	`elive`	`hello`
`06:31.03`	`_ivan_`	`que tal GPLGeek?`
`06:31.13`	`_ivan_`	`hi !`
`06:33.07`	`GPLGeek`	`SOOOO busy lately`
`06:33.19`	`_ivan_`	`I am using the following source to fetch all the components of e17 deb http://www.vobcopy.org/mirror/elive/ elive main efl elive tests`
`06:33.43`	`_ivan_`	`but no luck to get for instance "engage" working`
`06:33.55`	`GPLGeek`	`you running elive?`
`06:34.07`	`_ivan_`	`and no help found under /usr/share/docs`
`06:34.09`	`_ivan_`	`yup`
`06:34.25`	`eliver`	`:)`
`06:34.26`	`_ivan_`	`/usr/share/doc`
`06:34.32`	`GPLGeek`	`oh, lol. Somone was talking about trying to do that for buntu earlier and i told him it was not going to work`
`06:34.45`	`_ivan_`	`yes, and would realliy like to run e17`
`06:35.21`	`_ivan_`	`well I am running Debian SID`
`06:35.25`	`_ivan_`	`still not work ?`
`06:35.32`	`GPLGeek`	`um`
`06:35.37`	`GPLGeek`	`Elive packages are made for elive.`
`06:35.45`	`GPLGeek`	`They generally do not work for other systems`
`06:36.00`	`GPLGeek`	`Elive is a special-case it's not like you can just rip packages from it`
`06:36.05`	`_ivan_`	`is not Elive Debian based ?`
`06:36.11`	`GPLGeek`	`It is`
`06:36.20`	`GPLGeek`	`Etch/DSS based`
`06:36.38`	`GPLGeek`	`you can try it but everyone else who has tried has failed`
`06:36.46`	`_ivan_`	`:(`
`06:36.56`	`GPLGeek`	`You can get e17 working fine if you use the cvs`
`06:37.01`	`_ivan_`	`aaahhh`
`06:37.04`	`eliver`	`aha`
`06:37.15`	`_ivan_`	`that is explained in the wiki?`
`06:37.17`	`eliver`	`I see what I might have done`
`06:37.26`	`eliver`	`brb`
`06:37.29`	`GPLGeek`	`http://www5.get-e.org/ save you some time`
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`06:37.42`	`_ivan_`	`good, thanks a lot`
`06:38.52`	`GPLGeek`	`and if my friend can install e17 from cvs anyone can because he's frikkin stupid`
`06:38.58`	`GPLGeek`	`I just keep him around because he's funny`
`06:39.29`	`GPLGeek`	`he did hit a few walls though`
`06:40.46`	`_ivan_`	`LOL`
`06:41.20`	`_ivan_`	`and what about the e17 script updater, is it a good start point ?`
`06:41.26`	`_ivan_`	`*starting`
`06:42.57`	`GPLGeek`	`apt-get install these packages: M4 Autoconf Automake Libtool Pkg-config Texinfo Zlib Jpeg X11-libs`
`06:43.06`	`GPLGeek`	`You also need Xorg, but I figured you knew that`
`06:43.34`	`GPLGeek`	`http://www5.get-e.org/E17_User_Guide/English/_pages/2.1.html`
`06:43.36`	`_ivan_`	`yup Xorg is up and running`
`06:43.52`	`GPLGeek`	`oh and freetype 2`
`06:44.19`	`_ivan_`	`great thanks for the help, chances are that e17 will be my next pleasant enviroment`
`06:44.21`	`_ivan_`	`;)`
`06:46.08`	`GPLGeek`	`the trick is figuring out what modules to disable`
`06:46.09`	`GPLGeek`	`lol`
`06:46.15`	`GPLGeek`	`temp crashes me`
`06:46.36`	`GPLGeek`	`it might not in cvs`
`06:46.42`	`GPLGeek`	`because it might have been changed`
`06:47.22`	`_ivan_`	`awesome`
`06:49.01`	`_ivan_`	`automake 1.4 is OK ?`
`06:50.17`	`GPLGeek`	`1.7 or more`
`06:50.20`	`GPLGeek`	`i think`
`06:50.32`	`_ivan_`	`OK`
`06:50.43`	`GPLGeek`	`It's bed time`
`06:50.52`	`GPLGeek`	`I'd walk you through it all night if I could stop time`
`06:51.16`	`_ivan_`	`good many thanks, go to sleep and have nice dreams`
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`07:47.09`	`Elive_user`	`hello there`
`07:47.18`	`Elive_user`	`LinuxNIT u there`
`07:47.24`	`LinuxNIT`	`sup`
`07:47.34`	`Elive_user`	`chillnnn`
`07:47.44`	`Elive_user`	`I have it finally installed butttttt`
`07:47.47`	`Elive_user`	`help`
`07:47.53`	`LinuxNIT`	`?`
`07:48.05`	`LinuxNIT`	`you they guy with sata?`
`07:48.15`	`Elive_user`	`I can't seem to get the original theme and all the goodies to work`
`07:48.16`	`Elive_user`	`:(`
`07:48.28`	`Elive_user`	`yep SATA guy me me me`
`07:48.37`	`LinuxNIT`	`why wont it work?`
`07:48.42`	`LinuxNIT`	`whats it do?`
`07:49.12`	`Elive_user`	`well I have a simple theme and not the e17 theme I trully fell in love with`
`07:49.31`	`LinuxNIT`	`are you in e17 or e16?`
`07:49.32`	`Elive_user`	`please be kind and point me`
`07:49.38`	`LinuxNIT`	`e16 is default after install`
`07:49.50`	`Elive_user`	`ahh well ahh ino know`
`07:49.59`	`LinuxNIT`	`is your menu text only or graphical?`
`07:50.02`	`Elive_user`	`arrrggghhh`
`07:50.04`	`LinuxNIT`	`click on the desktop`
`07:50.13`	`Elive_user`	`ok`
`07:50.29`	`Elive_user`	`what am i looking 4`
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`07:50.42`	`LinuxNIT`	`is it a text only menu`
`07:50.48`	`Elive_user`	`YES`
`07:50.54`	`LinuxNIT`	`k youre in e16`
`07:50.56`	`Elive_user`	`no fun`
`07:51.01`	`Elive_user`	`arrgghh`
`07:51.09`	`LinuxNIT`	`log out and in the bottom left corner click the button`
`07:51.19`	`LinuxNIT`	`choose e17 and log back in`
`07:51.28`	`Elive_user`	`ok brb`
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`07:52.14`	`Elive_user`	`LinuxNIT`
`07:52.19`	`Elive_user`	`UR THA MANNN`
`07:52.28`	`LinuxNIT`	`hehe`
`07:52.31`	`Elive_user`	`baby steps they say`
`07:52.31`	`LinuxNIT`	`glad i can help`
`07:52.55`	`Elive_user`	`kool time to crunch on play time with e17 thanks dude`
`07:54.12`	`DVDx`	`i like e16 better but it worn work 4 me =\`
`07:54.14`	`LinuxNIT`	`anytime man`
`07:54.22`	`DVDx`	`wont`
`07:54.24`	`LinuxNIT`	`DVDx, why wont it work?`
`07:54.30`	`LinuxNIT`	`oh nm`
`07:54.32`	`LinuxNIT`	`i remember`
`07:54.34`	`DVDx`	`remember`
`07:54.40`	`DVDx`	`nothing displaying`
`07:54.42`	`LinuxNIT`	`ask gplgeek or Thanatermesis`
`07:54.42`	`DVDx`	`;)`
`08:33.28`	`Mutacion`	`whos elive ? :P alive`
`08:33.36`	`Mutacion`	`well bye bye ppl time to rest for a while`
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`08:45.28`	`Elive_user`	`hola`
`08:45.31`	`Elive_user`	`hello`
`08:46.25`	`Mutacion`	`qiubole`
`08:46.30`	`Mutacion`	`adios..3.44am`
`08:47.13`	`Billman`	`can someone tell me how to stop the windows from being focused upon mouse over`
`08:47.44`	`Billman`	`oh and how to fix the backgroung of the terminal`
`08:47.44`	`primate`	`sure`
`08:48.07`	`primate`	`right click on backgroung, autoraise settings`
`08:48.14`	`primate`	`idk if u cant change term bg`
`08:48.21`	`primate`	`goodluck later`
`08:48.28`	`Billman`	`I'm use to emerge - to install aterm do I use wget aterm???`
`08:48.39`	`primate`	`try it`
`08:48.46`	`primate`	`idk much about term`
`08:48.47`	`primate`	`see u`
`08:48.55`	`Billman`	`k thanks dude`
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`08:52.08`	`Mtraker`	`hi`
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`09:22.31`	`Elive_user`	`how do you get "Evidence" to show hidden files`
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`13:57.47`	`Elive_user28`	`hi all`
`13:58.24`	`Sensation`	`does open gl works ?`
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`14:17.36`	`LinuxNIT`	`yes open gl works..... oops too late`
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`14:38.37`	`adamant1988`	`hello all`
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`15:27.06`	`BBW`	`Hi all`
`15:27.31`	`BBW`	`Need some help with installing a canon printer BJC 8000`
`15:28.12`	`BBW`	`Can't find drivers for it im google around for 2 days now result`
`15:28.38`	`BBW`	`Does someone now a sites or ftp sites where i can find drivers for it`
`15:29.45`	`quidam-`	`linux-printing.org`
`15:30.19`	`BBW`	`i have charge there no result`
`15:30.24`	`BBW`	`search`
`15:30.51`	`BBW`	`Normaly on other distro its all inculde it in your OS`
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`15:31.36`	`quidam-`	`BBW, welcome to the debian world xD`
`15:31.46`	`BBW`	`:D`
`15:32.08`	`quidam-`	`drivers is not included here, but i see some package on the repositorys with CUPS`
`15:32.28`	`BBW`	`Cups`
`15:32.35`	`BBW`	`im newbie to linux`
`15:32.40`	`BBW`	`need more info`
`15:32.50`	`quidam-`	`maybe this package contains drivers for your printer`
`15:33.07`	`quidam-`	`BBW, well first you need to know here dont exist any cd with drivers :P`
`15:33.17`	`quidam-`	`like winshit`
`15:33.31`	`quidam-`	`here we have some archives`
`15:33.42`	`BBW`	`windrivers i have no linux`
`15:33.47`	`quidam-`	`and this archives can control the devices`
`15:34.27`	`quidam-`	`here you can find archives for your printer`
`15:34.27`	`BBW`	`So i need Cups`
`15:34.29`	`quidam-`	`http://linuxprinting.org/`
`15:34.49`	`quidam-`	`yeap :)`
`15:35.37`	`BBW`	`Link does not work`
`15:36.17`	`BBW`	`I think my computer is ill`
`15:36.21`	`quidam-`	`im looking the web right now :S`
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`15:38.07`	`quidam-`	`wait im searchig some information`
`15:38.16`	`quidam-`	`i dont see cups for bjc-8000`
`15:38.29`	`quidam-`	`but i see some cups for bjc-8200`
`15:38.34`	`BBW`	`i found other one`
`15:38.35`	`quidam-`	`maybe this work`
`15:38.38`	`BBW`	`ftp://download.canon.jp/pub/driver/bj/linux/`
`15:38.46`	`BBW`	`its all rpm build`
`15:38.52`	`adamant1988`	`There are just some printers that don't work for linux =\`
`15:39.21`	`quidam-`	`adamant1988, i have a hp psc 1315`
`15:39.27`	`quidam-`	`and i use 1310 driver`
`15:39.29`	`adamant1988`	`my canon pixma ip1500 isn't supported -_-`
`15:39.34`	`quidam-`	`and work perfectly :)`
`15:39.35`	`BBW`	`So i need to buy other printer`
`15:39.49`	`quidam-`	`maybe this support is with canon`
`15:39.51`	`quidam-`	`xD`
`15:39.58`	`quidam-`	`BBW, nop`
`15:40.12`	`adamant1988`	`well, now I'm inspired to get drivers for it.`
`15:40.16`	`adamant1988`	`I'll look around`
`15:40.46`	`quidam-`	`BBW, dont download rpm package`
`15:40.46`	`quidam-`	`use tar.gz`
`15:40.59`	`BBW`	`My printer is Caonon I560 , so on internet they say it will work with Canon bjc 8000 or 7000 drivers`
`15:42.03`	`quidam-`	`http://linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Canon-BJC-7000`
`15:42.11`	`sinplomo`	`BBW, BJC 8000 or 800 ?`
`15:42.17`	`BBW`	`8000`
`15:43.00`	`quidam-`	`sinplomo, existe el cups para su modelo especifico de impresora :S`
`15:43.23`	`quidam-`	`no funca en linux :S`
`15:43.26`	`BBW`	`Problem with link`
`15:43.30`	`sinplomo`	`Canon-BJC-800-bjc800.ppd.gz`
`15:43.31`	`BBW`	`http://linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Canon-BJC-7000`
`15:43.32`	`sinplomo`	`Canon-BJC-80-bjc600.ppd.gz`
`15:43.32`	`sinplomo`	`Canon-BJC-8200-bj8pa06n.upp.ppd.gz`
`15:43.32`	`sinplomo`	`Canon-BJC-85-bjc600.ppd.gz`
`15:43.32`	`sinplomo`	`Canon-BJC-880J-bjc880j.ppd.gz`
`15:44.42`	`BBW`	`wait got phonecall be right back`
`15:46.41`	`sinplomo`	`BBW, http://omniprint.sourceforge.net/ :)`
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`15:56.01`	`Billman`	`hello there`
`15:56.40`	`Billman`	`? how can I slow down my mouse or edit its properties`
`16:00.14`	`BBW`	`thanks for the help i will check it out and if it not work at all i will be back`
`16:00.22`	`BBW`	`:D`
`16:01.02`	`Bouba`	`tried elpanel?`
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`16:17.15`	`sinplomo`	`Billman, xset m <number>`
`16:17.18`	`sinplomo`	`:)`
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`16:29.18`	`Billman`	`thanks will try xset`
`16:31.00`	`Billman`	`perfect thank you so much`
`16:31.58`	`Billman`	`i have several other partitions on this disk anf fdisk -l shows them how do i mount them and have them auto mounted`
`16:36.20`	`Billman`	`I have ext3 partition and Windoze NTFS & Fat to mount my E17 Box is XFS`
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`16:42.43`	`sinplomo`	`Billman, mount -t auto /dev/hdXY /path/to/mount`
`16:43.07`	`sinplomo`	`to automatic mount ... edit your /etc/fstab`
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`17:02.11`	`adamant1988`	`sigh hey linuxnit how good are you with printers?`
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`17:20.28`	`sinplomo`	`Kalmm_, coucou`
`17:20.29`	`sinplomo`	`lol`
`17:22.55`	`Kalmm_`	`salut`
`17:23.00`	`Kalmm_`	`re`
`17:23.08`	`sinplomo`	`:)`
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`17:38.27`	`Billman`	`Hi I mounted a partition but when trying to open it says wrong fs`
`17:38.55`	`Billman`	`Could it be because I use e17 in xfs and the partition to mount is ext3`
`17:39.40`	`Billman`	`if so? is it a kernel option I must config and how do I config the kernel for an update?`
`17:40.13`	`LinuxNIT`	`Billman, join #elive-flood`
`17:40.17`	`LinuxNIT`	`and paste your fstab`
`17:44.11`	`LinuxNIT`	`Billman, ok what partition is it and does the partition actually mount?`
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`20:05.47`	`Elive_user`	`gs`
`20:06.26`	`Elive_user`	`ciao a tutti`
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`20:42.07`	`wasynyt`	`good evening everyone`
`20:57.02`	`wasynyt`	`really... there is no-one here ?`
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`21:00.36`	`bouba`	`hi all! :D`
`21:00.47`	`wasynyt`	`good evening bouba`
`21:00.57`	`wasynyt`	`finaly someone alive here`
`21:00.58`	`wasynyt`	`:D`
`21:01.39`	`bouba`	`hi wasy! i've some question for you! :D. you are huppy?:D`
`21:01.52`	`wasynyt`	`huppy ?`
`21:01.57`	`wasynyt`	`or happy`
`21:01.59`	`wasynyt`	`:D`
`21:02.01`	`bouba`	`:`
`21:02.05`	`bouba`	`happy:P`
`21:02.08`	`bouba`	`eheheh`
`21:02.12`	`bouba`	`sorry:D`
`21:02.12`	`wasynyt`	`i am happy`
`21:02.12`	`wasynyt`	`:D`
`21:02.16`	`wasynyt`	`no need to be`
`21:02.17`	`wasynyt`	`:D`
`21:02.31`	`bouba`	`so... first:`
`21:02.44`	`bouba`	`i login in elive as a user`
`21:02.50`	`wasynyt`	`yes`
`21:02.56`	`bouba`	`then i open elpanel`
`21:03.02`	`wasynyt`	`..`
`21:03.46`	`bouba`	`i'm not root, so it ask to me root password. if i check "remember password" elive doesn't remembet it`
`21:04.07`	`bouba`	`where i wrong?:D`
`21:04.43`	`wasynyt`	`well i think that that is only a good thing.. because root pasword should not be "remembered"`
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`21:05.05`	`bouba`	`yes ok :D`
`21:05.10`	`bouba`	`but...:`
`21:05.11`	`bouba`	`:P`
`21:05.15`	`wasynyt`	`:D`
`21:05.31`	`bouba`	`as default "remember password" is enabled eheheh`
`21:05.38`	`wasynyt`	`humm..`
`21:05.48`	`wasynyt`	`well i dont know if it even works`
`21:06.30`	`bouba`	`?`
`21:06.55`	`wasynyt`	`heh`
`21:07.04`	`wasynyt`	`i should ask thana about that`
`21:07.05`	`wasynyt`	`:D`
`21:07.16`	`bouba`	`go wasy!!!! find the problem! :D:D:D`
`21:09.26`	`bouba`	`i will give to you a cake:D`
`21:09.57`	`bouba`	`the simpsons?:D`
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`21:33.05`	`wasynyt`	`heh`
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`21:35.03`	`wasynyt`	`good evening Kalmm_`
`21:35.51`	`Kalmm_`	`good evening`
`21:35.59`	`wasynyt`	`how are you doinf`
`21:36.07`	`wasynyt`	`*doing`
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`21:45.17`	`wasynyt`	`good evening revdjenk, salah`
`21:45.29`	`LinuxNIT`	`revdjenk, howdy howdy`
`21:45.36`	`wasynyt`	`good evening LinuxNIT`
`21:45.42`	`LinuxNIT`	`wazup wasynyt`
`21:45.47`	`revdjenk`	`good whatever! hey all`
`21:45.56`	`LinuxNIT`	`lol`
`21:46.00`	`wasynyt`	`heh i am doing fine.. and you LinuxNIT`
`21:46.10`	`revdjenk`	`hey all europe world cup!!!`
`21:46.11`	`LinuxNIT`	`purdy good`
`21:46.20`	`wasynyt`	`:D`
`21:46.29`	`revdjenk`	`some exciting upsets, eh?`
`21:46.47`	`LinuxNIT`	`?`
`21:47.03`	`LinuxNIT`	`oh world cup?`
`21:47.09`	`salah`	`good evening, wasynyt`
`21:47.16`	`revdjenk`	`get with the program, LinuxNIT !`
`21:47.22`	`LinuxNIT`	`eh`
`21:47.25`	`GPLGeek`	`ROFL, my friend pasted some code into chat and another person said "your code is wrong" and he said "that's not my code, that's in windows 2003"`
`21:47.28`	`wasynyt`	`how are you doing salah`
`21:47.30`	`LinuxNIT`	`its soccer.... so w/e`
`21:47.42`	`LinuxNIT`	`GPLGeek, lmfao`
`21:47.43`	`wasynyt`	`good evening GPLGeek`
`21:47.47`	`wasynyt`	`:D`
`21:47.50`	`GPLGeek`	`I'm cracking up`
`21:47.54`	`revdjenk`	`yikes!!! GPLGeek Q!`
`21:47.55`	`salah`	`fine thanks, and you, wasynyt?`
`21:48.04`	`wasynyt`	`i am doing fine too`
`21:48.05`	`wasynyt`	`:d`
`21:48.22`	`revdjenk`	`you are currupted now, GPLGeek , you've seen win code!!!`
`21:48.27`	`wasynyt`	`heh`
`21:48.33`	`salah`	`nice to hear, long time last`
`21:48.40`	`wasynyt`	`:D`
`21:48.44`	`GPLGeek`	`Nah it's cool`
`21:48.49`	`GPLGeek`	`I enjoy looking at all code`
`21:49.01`	`wasynyt`	`you enjoy bugs ?`
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`21:49.34`	`wasynyt`	`good evening Deslux`
`21:50.05`	`revdjenk`	`I'm scratching already, wasynyt`
`21:50.15`	`wasynyt`	`heh`
`21:51.03`	`GPLGeek`	`I found out that I have jobs avaliable to me in Utah`
`21:51.10`	`GPLGeek`	`after next semester I'll move there`
`21:51.12`	`wasynyt`	`really..`
`21:51.14`	`LinuxNIT`	`utah.... good skiing out there`
`21:51.23`	`GPLGeek`	`Good hunting`
`21:51.26`	`revdjenk`	`wow... unless he's near the lake`
`21:51.27`	`LinuxNIT`	`hehe`
`21:51.32`	`LinuxNIT`	`even better`
`21:51.34`	`wasynyt`	`:D`
`21:52.45`	`GPLGeek`	`Most of the companies (one of them who has said "you have a job here whenever you want it") are located in ogden, salt lake, orem`
`21:53.25`	`wasynyt`	`you must be good if they are giving you a job anytime`
`21:53.26`	`revdjenk`	`what kind of work, coding? web design? teaching about elive?`
`21:53.40`	`GPLGeek`	`Engineering`
`21:53.53`	`wasynyt`	`software.. hardware`
`21:53.54`	`wasynyt`	`?`
`21:54.02`	`wasynyt`	`or something else`
`21:55.06`	`GPLGeek`	`minor c/c++ skills needed, but if I have good C++ skills I can be a beta tester. If I know Css/PHP I can be a coder. Any SQL knowledge lets me be a data systems analyst.`
`21:55.15`	`GPLGeek`	`They said I could choose my job.`
`21:55.23`	`revdjenk`	`yippeee`
`21:55.34`	`wasynyt`	`that sounds really nice`
`21:55.37`	`GPLGeek`	`They also wanted to know if I knew VB because they want to change everything into C# .net so it can be run on both windows and linux.`
`21:55.45`	`GPLGeek`	`I would not mind learning C#`
`21:55.54`	`wasynyt`	`heh`
`21:56.18`	`GPLGeek`	`even if I did not know vb I could convert it to C#`
`21:56.24`	`revdjenk`	`piece of cake, eh, LinuxNIT ?`
`21:56.35`	`wasynyt`	`hmm`
`21:56.40`	`LinuxNIT`	`yeah sure....`
`21:56.43`	`LinuxNIT`	`i guess`
`21:56.47`	`LinuxNIT`	`never tried them`
`21:57.13`	`GPLGeek`	`they said I had powered through code in hours they thought would take 2 weeks to finish and that I would just need to know their commenting policy and documentation.`
`21:57.50`	`LinuxNIT`	`nice`
`21:57.50`	`wasynyt`	`well that is rather impressive`
`21:57.59`	`wasynyt`	`:D`
`21:58.07`	`revdjenk`	`that's why he's with us, here!!!`
`21:58.16`	`wasynyt`	`heh`
`21:59.04`	`revdjenk`	`Well, may you find the best place to work then, to match your skill and where they will be well used!!!`
`21:59.20`	`GPLGeek`	`I'll probably be stuck on a Debian workstation, Solaris server, testing and cleaning code. Not actual creation.`
`21:59.54`	`revdjenk`	`stuck? there might be a better modifier?`
`22:00.04`	`wasynyt`	`well that does not sound too bad`
`22:01.04`	`GPLGeek`	`Companies that want me, SOSTechnical (temp to perm jobs, php, html, sql), AOL (Representative/Tester), and a few others.`
`22:01.22`	`GPLGeek`	`most start out at 14$ but with college I'll get 16 I bet.`
`22:01.33`	`GPLGeek`	`that's good money for utah`
`22:01.43`	`wasynyt`	`time for reboot..`
`22:01.54`	`GPLGeek`	`AFK, doing testing on some functions`
`22:02.15`	`adamant1988`	`hey revdjenk :)`
`22:02.32`	`revdjenk`	`are the living expenses lower there also GPLGeek ?`
`22:02.39`	`revdjenk`	`hey adamant1988 good evening`
`22:03.01`	`adamant1988`	`how is life treating you today man?`
`22:03.55`	`revdjenk`	`pretty good, trying to get an old machine running... old p2...with a strange video setup that NO linux has been able to use!`
`22:04.29`	`GPLGeek`	`I would have over 5000 a year to put into investments other than my 401K`
`22:04.37`	`GPLGeek`	`and a home`
`22:04.44`	`GPLGeek`	`200K for a AWSOME home`
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`22:04.46`	`revdjenk`	`then it is a great deal`
`22:05.18`	`revdjenk`	`with a view of the mountains... and a trail to the hunting grounds!`
`22:05.22`	`GPLGeek`	`Buying a house there is cheaper than renting here`
`22:05.43`	`wasynyt`	`i think it is time for me to go to bed`
`22:05.56`	`wasynyt`	`good night everyone`
`22:06.06`	`GPLGeek`	`Sleep?`
`22:06.07`	`GPLGeek`	`omg`
`22:06.10`	`wasynyt`	`heh`
`22:06.11`	`GPLGeek`	`you do that too?`
`22:06.12`	`revdjenk`	`wasynt, good night`
`22:06.16`	`wasynyt`	`i need it..`
`22:06.18`	`GPLGeek`	`NOT YOU WASYNYT`
`22:06.23`	`GPLGeek`	`good night man`
`22:06.24`	`revdjenk`	`work comes early`
`22:06.24`	`LinuxNIT`	`what is it with people and sleep anyway`
`22:06.32`	`wasynyt`	`i think that there is some fault in my brains`
`22:06.37`	`wasynyt`	`:D`
`22:06.49`	`revdjenk`	`wasynt_go_to_sleep`
`22:08.19`	`adamant1988`	`lol rev is he trying to talk you into cali?`
`22:08.22`	`adamant1988`	`you can't desert me.`
`22:09.22`	`revdjenk`	`california? no GPLGeek is going to Utah... and I don't fish or hunt... which is strange for your area, also!`
`22:10.38`	`GPLGeek`	`Come to Utah`
`22:10.38`	`revdjenk`	`we both are headed to the mountains, GPLGeek on the western edge of the Rockies, and me to the western edge of the Appalachians`
`22:10.42`	`GPLGeek`	`ill meet you there`
`22:10.55`	`revdjenk`	`too far...`
`22:10.59`	`GPLGeek`	`WV isnt that good`
`22:11.05`	`revdjenk`	`haaahaa`
`22:11.21`	`adamant1988`	`WV is the kansas of the east, of course it's not that good`
`22:11.23`	`revdjenk`	`been to Utah, though... and its ... um....`
`22:11.37`	`GPLGeek`	`MORMONS!!!! hahaha`
`22:11.50`	`revdjenk`	`yikes!!!`
`22:11.51`	`adamant1988`	`But Utah... you guys and your mormon internet connections scare me.`
`22:11.54`	`GPLGeek`	`Utopiah`
`22:12.17`	`revdjenk`	`in the Greek.... U= no`
`22:12.24`	`revdjenk`	`topia= place`
`22:12.56`	`revdjenk`	`Utapia`
`22:13.12`	`revdjenk`	`u= no tapia= tapioca pudding`
`22:14.20`	`adamant1988`	`nice.`
`22:14.24`	`adamant1988`	`I am going to remember that rev.`
`22:15.34`	`revdjenk`	`hey, being called to dinner... see you guys later...`
`22:15.43`	`adamant1988`	`come back soon`
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`22:53.21`	`GPLGeek`	`I just checked and I love the Utah gun laws`
`22:53.43`	`GPLGeek`	`although I do think if a child is in the house the guns should be locked away or trigger locked`
`22:57.27`	`adamant1988`	`haha`
`22:57.33`	`adamant1988`	`GPLGeek, what do you think of xandros?`
`22:57.43`	`GPLGeek`	`but the child should have the key if over 14`
`22:57.51`	`GPLGeek`	`xandros is... um`
`22:57.58`	`GPLGeek`	`Hey lets talk about debian!`
`22:58.09`	`GPLGeek`	`Some people like xandros`
`22:58.12`	`GPLGeek`	`It's another distro`
`22:58.15`	`GPLGeek`	`competition is good`
`22:58.28`	`adamant1988`	`haha, serious question, I'm looking at it from the perspective of a business or a home user`
`22:58.46`	`GPLGeek`	`i heard they had ok support packages`
`22:59.07`	`GPLGeek`	`I'd rather use ubuntu than xandros I think`
`22:59.15`	`adamant1988`	`that's one thing I felt would be important, but really what I'm looking at is something that a school or a business would bother with.`
`22:59.41`	`adamant1988`	`Xandros has the benefit of coming with crossover preinstalled and integrated, and I'm not sure about codecs and such.`
`22:59.56`	`GPLGeek`	`If only E16,e17 were stable`
`23:00.08`	`GPLGeek`	`and fixed the major end user issues`
`23:00.18`	`GPLGeek`	`Elive could be in the businesses`
`23:00.48`	`GPLGeek`	`Wait for etch to be stable too`
`23:01.03`	`adamant1988`	`I don't know... I know Mepis actually does a really good job as a distro for being user friendly, PClinuxOS too, but I don't see either of them ever being taken seriously by a business..`
`23:01.06`	`GPLGeek`	`That's going to happen before the end of this year`
`23:01.42`	`GPLGeek`	`pclinuxos is mandriva based and there is like one guy who runs it`
`23:01.44`	`GPLGeek`	`i think`
`23:02.05`	`adamant1988`	`yeah, but what happens to elive if thana goes missing?`
`23:02.16`	`GPLGeek`	`They any more user friendly than ubuntu with easybuntu?`
`23:02.37`	`adamant1988`	`Ehm, I used both of them... Mepis has all the codecs pre-installed that's it's benefit`
`23:02.45`	`GPLGeek`	`or install debian the way you want it, with the wm you want, and then image that and just copy it to other hard drives, set up grub`
`23:03.04`	`GPLGeek`	`easybuntu takes you like 10 min.`
`23:03.11`	`adamant1988`	`yeah that's what I used.`
`23:03.17`	`adamant1988`	`I had to do my graphics card by hand though`
`23:03.23`	`GPLGeek`	`burn the cd and then include some minor documentation`
`23:03.30`	`GPLGeek`	`its easy and they will read it if it's short`
`23:03.52`	`adamant1988`	`idk, I was having a discussion with someone about the future of linux in the home and business.`
`23:03.58`	`GPLGeek`	`none of those other distros have support for my cards by default`
`23:04.34`	`adamant1988`	`Businesses don't like downtime from installing codecs and drivers, and home users don't know how.`
`23:04.53`	`GPLGeek`	`If 6 major things happen I could see Elive getting popular, but without the licences to the codecs we could get sued`
`23:05.00`	`adamant1988`	`exactly..`
`23:05.01`	`GPLGeek`	`we would have to ubuntuize the system`
`23:05.17`	`adamant1988`	`I'm waiting for ubuntu to step up with a paid version.`
`23:05.42`	`GPLGeek`	`googleBuntu was a remaster from 5.10`
`23:05.49`	`GPLGeek`	`codecs and all for internal use`
`23:05.58`	`GPLGeek`	`legal because its a in-company thing`
`23:06.15`	`GPLGeek`	`would be illegal if they put it up for download`
`23:06.16`	`adamant1988`	`yeah, Well I think ubuntu has the backing now it could release a paid version with codecs pre-installed and get by with it.`
`23:06.28`	`GPLGeek`	`Nope`
`23:06.34`	`adamant1988`	`Either they're doing that, or canonical is pulling a reverse red-hat.`
`23:06.37`	`GPLGeek`	`they are making too much money getting new users`
`23:06.59`	`GPLGeek`	`how you may ask? MANY companies and even countries are switching to it and using the tech support from their sponsor`
`23:07.09`	`adamant1988`	`yeah, ubuntu certification.`
`23:07.23`	`GPLGeek`	`even if it does not make a dime off of community support, higher end contracting and servicing is major $$$$ and way worth it to companies`
`23:07.38`	`GPLGeek`	`people are seeing that they are cutting costs, over 50% vs redhat and others.`
`23:07.40`	`adamant1988`	`I was looking into all the economics and such of that. But Ubuntu will never thrive in the home without things coming pre-installed.`
`23:08.00`	`adamant1988`	`Oh I'm not saying they'd require a paid version`
`23:08.07`	`adamant1988`	`that goes against the idea that it will always be free.`
`23:08.42`	`GPLGeek`	`Our overly WINDOWS FRIENDLY computer science department now gives out ubuntu and is trying to get linux-based classes instead of windows-based classes.`
`23:08.55`	`adamant1988`	`hehe.`
`23:09.00`	`GPLGeek`	`they dont know what certification plans they will be offering but the windows certs are falling in demand`
`23:09.39`	`GPLGeek`	`This is good for elive too`
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`23:09.59`	`GPLGeek`	`Many students use Elive instead of windows.`
`23:10.11`	`adamant1988`	`I was just looking into it... xandros and linspire seem to be the only 'home' distros for people who don't know and don't want to know how to use a computer. I can't see ubuntu completely ignoring that market when one of their goals is to make it the most user-friendly...`
`23:10.23`	`GPLGeek`	`The next licence is being contested, they may get blank dells and put linux on them instead of paying for windows licences in the next few years`
`23:10.39`	`adamant1988`	`ech, windows tax`
`23:11.57`	`adamant1988`	`I know it's not beyond the scope of Ubuntu to do things like offer DVD support OOB, or the Ndiswrapper oob. But I know they'd have to charge to get the legalities sorted out.`
`23:12.50`	`adamant1988`	`I'm just trying to figure out how long it might be before we start seeing ubuntu in boxed sets in wal-mart and best-buy`
`23:13.07`	`GPLGeek`	`Actually, months ago`
`23:13.20`	`GPLGeek`	`You are allowed to package it and sell it and some places have done that`
`23:13.26`	`GPLGeek`	`for a fair price`
`23:13.34`	`adamant1988`	`with codecs enabled?`
`23:13.41`	`GPLGeek`	`a great service for those who would like to buy the cd instead of download`
`23:13.53`	`GPLGeek`	`No, no codecs, but documentation on how to set it up`
`23:14.07`	`adamant1988`	`just one step short of where it needs to be...`
`23:14.08`	`GPLGeek`	`Documentation signed by a creative commons licence`
`23:14.59`	`GPLGeek`	`It's not as bad as you think.....`
`23:15.02`	`adamant1988`	`I'm hoping I've put my bet in the right place... I'm pitching ubuntu to my school and my community.. I don't want to have to come back and say 'oops... you should use linspire/xandros/foo'`
`23:15.02`	`GPLGeek`	`Think of windows`
`23:15.04`	`GPLGeek`	`what do you get?`
`23:15.20`	`GPLGeek`	`notepad, calc (oh god thats the best one), explorer6`
`23:15.24`	`GPLGeek`	`wordpad`
`23:15.46`	`adamant1988`	`Oh I know that... but what I'm saying is... I'll use my aunt as an example`
`23:15.48`	`adamant1988`	`her computer is not internet ready`
`23:15.54`	`adamant1988`	`but she watches DVDs on it.`
`23:16.19`	`adamant1988`	`I talked to her about ubuntu today, how does SHE set up the dvdlibcss etc.`
`23:16.50`	`adamant1988`	`and I noticed it doesn't come with the dial-up tools installed by default...`
`23:16.50`	`GPLGeek`	`You need to install java, flash, acrobat, all of your drivers, give your first born son to microsoft for 10 licences to work offshore in a labor camp on top of a no longer used oil platform, firefox, extensions, office software, then you get accused of stealing the software in a pop up that locks your computer after a few days.`
`23:17.52`	`GPLGeek`	`and if that's not bad enough you have to deal with a menu that says "Start"`
`23:18.48`	`adamant1988`	`I didn't say windows was a good os... economically it was a great example of how something can create it's own markets and support them, recently it's been slowing though.`
`23:19.46`	`adamant1988`	`but everything 'just works' Ubuntu is popular enough, they've got the money, they've got the backing... I just want to know how long before they officially produce something that's widely adoptable in the home and business, etc.`
`23:20.21`	`adamant1988`	`because if they don't... I see gulp linspire, or xandros filling in that gap... probably linspire.`
`23:21.14`	`GPLGeek`	`Its a lot easier to deploy a debian based system for businesses then anything else.`
`23:21.25`	`GPLGeek`	`If you have a IT guy to do it`
`23:21.39`	`GPLGeek`	`You can't expect end users to install a coffee pot let alone software`
`23:21.48`	`GPLGeek`	`people are stupid, I know this for a fact.`
`23:22.10`	`GPLGeek`	`if they can not put a cd in the drive and press next a few times what makes you think that the codec aspect even matters`
`23:22.15`	`GPLGeek`	`at all`
`23:22.59`	`adamant1988`	`they'll go back to windows if they're presented with not being able to watch people do stupid things on youtube.com, or listen to mp3s.`
`23:23.14`	`GPLGeek`	`Even mac users have to get codecs and whatnot. They are given the title of "just works". There will always be issues like that so long as people use proprietary codecs`
`23:23.37`	`GPLGeek`	`everyone in the world would have to switch to .ogg and other stuff before any os will "just work" for anything and everything.`
`23:23.51`	`GPLGeek`	`but wait, you will still have to deal with legacy stuff from time to time`
`23:23.55`	`adamant1988`	`the ogg adoption is long overdue.`
`23:24.01`	`adamant1988`	`mp3 is so outdated.`
`23:24.13`	`GPLGeek`	`if not for anything else, do it for quality`
`23:24.50`	`GPLGeek`	`Sony says it's blue ray players will mostly support .ogg format`
`23:25.00`	`GPLGeek`	`for music dvds`
`23:25.01`	`adamant1988`	`another problem I've found in ubuntu that's going to end up a showstopper for end users... you can't install programs from disk 0_0`
`23:25.26`	`GPLGeek`	`what do you mean?`
`23:25.52`	`adamant1988`	`I recently popped a quake disk in that bought for $3 (linux version). When I tried to run the install script... permissions error`
`23:25.53`	`GPLGeek`	`like if you forgot nano you could not get it without connecting to the net?`
`23:25.59`	`GPLGeek`	`oh....`
`23:26.01`	`GPLGeek`	`that`
`23:26.04`	`adamant1988`	`as sudo... permissions error.`
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`23:26.45`	`adamant1988`	`I'm only out of about $3 and a little time spent looking for support. but eventually linux programs will come on disk and be sold in the local wal-mart.`
`23:28.10`	`adamant1988`	`i just forsee that being a problem... which needs to be addressed.`
`23:29.11`	`GPLGeek`	`I think it's a problem with teh quake disk`
`23:29.19`	`GPLGeek`	`it probably wants to write a file to the current directory`
`23:29.22`	`GPLGeek`	`instead of temp`
`23:29.39`	`adamant1988`	`not sure... I was designed for red-hat I imagine`
`23:29.44`	`adamant1988`	`all the files on it were in rpm format`
`23:29.50`	`GPLGeek`	`I or It lol`
`23:30.04`	`GPLGeek`	`better sed that comment`
`23:30.29`	`GPLGeek`	`ok back to programming`
`23:30.34`	`GPLGeek`	`i'm losing time`
`23:30.36`	`adamant1988`	`lol`
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`23:30.53`	`GPLGeek`	`seriously I wont have time to do it becasue I work from 8 to 4 and then drive to school right after that`
`23:31.29`	`adamant1988`	`haha ttyl`
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`23:56.03`	`eliver`	`yay, I have my grub fixed :) can bootup, now to get NV drivers so that I can get to a gui desktop`
`23:57.06`	`eliver`	`Want to thank LinuxNIT and GPLGeek for their great help`
`23:57.55`	`LinuxNIT`	`anytime eliver`
`23:58.13`	`eliver`	`:)`
`23:58.36`	`LinuxNIT`	`you on .5 or 0.4.2?`
`23:59.42`	`eliver`	`I am temporarily on the .5 live, I had to configure xserver manually, but is working`
`23:59.57`	`eliver`	`the HD install is an updated 2.4`

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