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| 00:21.45 | roxville | http://roxville.no-ip.org/public_html/elive-stuff/elive-cd-label7.jpg |
| 00:21.52 | roxville | damn, where is adam? |
| 00:22.12 | roxville | no, it was unduality |
| 00:22.24 | roxville | unduality, i changed it for ya :) |
| 00:22.31 | roxville | see if you like this better |
| 00:25.40 | unduality | roxville, Yeah looks neat! I just hope that everything will be visable when it is cd-sized. I love the intro "elive jingle" when it starts up will it be there in .05 too? |
| 00:26.16 | roxville | thx... i think so... but i don't know... |
| 00:26.28 | roxville | but i don't think thana is planning on taking it out |
| 00:27.00 | roxville | i wish i could get money to buy a usb controller keyboard... so i could do it better |
| 00:27.23 | roxville | piano roll editing kills music creativity :) |
| 00:28.02 | unduality | Are there any new backgrounds for .05 ? Piano roll in fruityloops? |
| 00:28.14 | unduality | Or reason? Or some linux app? |
| 00:28.26 | deformative | Woot, it E17-cvs accually installed. |
| 00:28.46 | roxville | unduality, fruityloops... |
| 00:29.23 | roxville | nah 0.5 will probably look the way you have seen it... thana just wants to get it OUT |
| 00:30.15 | roxville | i know he has plans for changing the default bright theme a little for 0.6 |
| 00:30.50 | unduality | Fruity is nice! I wish it would run in wine... When do you think 0.5 will be out? |
| 00:31.33 | roxville | a couple of days... not really sure... maybe even a week |
| 00:31.58 | roxville | there's quite a bit of bugs to squash |
| 00:32.42 | roxville | wow, i received something! |
| 00:32.45 | unduality | This should be in elive-essence...:-D |
| 00:33.10 | coyote10 | roxville: you work with gimp to design images ? |
| 00:33.15 | roxville | i thought my settings were wrong... but apparently, it's everybody else's settings... |
| 00:33.31 | roxville | coyote10, yes |
| 00:33.53 | roxville | i'm not very good... but i'm trying to learn :) |
| 00:34.43 | roxville | coyote10, xara lx is going to be a BIG favourite when it's rerady |
| 00:35.00 | roxville | it's already REALLY cool |
| 00:36.10 | coyote10 | that another software you use for the design ? |
| 00:36.40 | roxville | yeah, it's a vector app... gimp is NOT vector |
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| 00:37.04 | roxville | unduality, wow, great music! |
| 00:39.27 | unduality | yeah! Me and Gnunard like to booze to that when not listening to metal or electronica. Usually this station is without speech, just music.. It would really give a nice complement to the salsa stuff in essence :D |
| 00:39.56 | coyote10 | as that vectorial application is called ? |
| 00:39.57 | roxville | :) |
| 00:40.24 | roxville | coyote10, the most famous vector app for linux, is inkscape |
| 00:40.38 | coyote10 | inkscape |
| 00:40.40 | coyote10 | wow |
| 00:40.56 | roxville | but i find inkscape hard to work in... xara is much easier |
| 00:41.10 | coyote10 | xara |
| 00:42.04 | coyote10 | you are the author of those so insolent images that it loads elive |
| 00:42.30 | roxville | unduality, http://wired.is.free.fr/images/screenshots/wired-shot2.png |
| 00:42.36 | unduality | roxville, do you know anywhere to find old deb-packages? |
| 00:42.52 | roxville | coyote10, when elive loads? no i made the logo |
| 00:43.13 | roxville | <unduality> roxville, do you know anywhere to find old deb-packages? <- on the internet... :) |
| 00:44.27 | roxville | wow, i have been waiting and waiting for this app... it's starting to look GOOD! |
| 00:45.54 | unduality | wired look really nice. Creating music on linux has always been troublesome. Do you like soundtrackers? There are some decent ones for linux. |
| 00:47.01 | roxville | haven't really explored them... |
| 00:50.25 | unduality | check out the screenshots at the bottom of this page then: http://www.skale.org/ |
| 00:50.53 | coyote10 | wait |
| 00:53.06 | coyote10 | unduality: you are engineer in audio ? |
| 00:53.14 | unduality | roxville, nice ehh |
| 00:53.29 | roxville | yeah, looks nice |
| 00:53.48 | roxville | coyote10, no, unduality and i just like to play around |
| 00:54.22 | unduality | coyote10, nope but ive been into computermade music for some time (since c64) |
| 00:55.32 | unduality | roxville, did you grow up with the amiga too? |
| 00:55.48 | unduality | Or did you coyote10 |
| 00:56.24 | roxville | unduality, no... never got into that.. until too late... now it's hell to catch up... |
| 00:56.35 | roxville | i gotta get my daughter in bed, bbiab |
| 00:57.32 | unduality | I gotta put myself into bed see u all tommorrow |
| 01:04.55 | coyote10 | byer |
| 01:04.58 | coyote10 | bye |
| 01:10.10 | deformative | linuxnit, you there? |
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| 01:33.07 | LinuxNIT | deformative, ? |
| 01:33.25 | deformative | Rasterman's script worked. |
| 01:33.27 | deformative | =) |
| 01:33.45 | LinuxNIT | send it to m3 |
| 01:33.48 | LinuxNIT | me |
| 01:33.49 | LinuxNIT | LD |
| 01:33.51 | LinuxNIT | :D |
| 01:33.59 | LinuxNIT | err link me |
| 01:34.39 | deformative | http://www.rasterman.com/files/get_e.sh |
| 01:34.54 | deformative | You just need to be sure you have cvs and sudo installed. |
| 01:35.13 | LinuxNIT | kk |
| 01:35.16 | LinuxNIT | cool |
| 01:35.19 | deformative | Mmm, I think you need your locales set to UTF-8. |
| 01:35.22 | TuxMeister | deformative, it installs all deps? xD |
| 01:35.34 | LinuxNIT | TuxMeister, hehe |
| 01:35.36 | LinuxNIT | i dount it |
| 01:35.39 | LinuxNIT | doubt |
| 01:35.43 | deformative | The only deps are the libs and xorg. |
| 01:35.47 | deformative | It installs the libs. |
| 01:35.52 | deformative | xorg is simple. |
| 01:36.00 | LinuxNIT | what about develoment files |
| 01:36.11 | deformative | Mmm, I do not know. |
| 01:36.14 | TuxMeister | that was about to be my question |
| 01:36.20 | LinuxNIT | we shall see |
| 01:36.35 | deformative | It is faaaasssttt. |
| 01:36.45 | TuxMeister | couse automake, the graphic dev tools and stuff like that is vital for E cvs building |
| 01:37.18 | deformative | automake is preinstalled in like all distros exept gentoo. |
| 01:37.20 | deformative | Heh. |
| 01:37.58 | deformative | There is a list of what is needed on this page. |
| 01:38.00 | deformative | http://www0.get-e.org/E17_User_Guide/English/_pages/2.1.html |
| 01:38.08 | deformative | The rest of it dose not apply. |
| 01:38.15 | deformative | Exept that list, if you use the script. |
| 01:38.49 | TuxMeister | well, that's one of them, and they're about 10 or 12 important libs |
| 01:39.21 | deformative | The libs are installed. |
| 01:39.30 | deformative | The other things you need are. |
| 01:39.32 | deformative | m4 |
| 01:39.35 | deformative | autoconf |
| 01:39.37 | deformative | automake |
| 01:39.40 | TuxMeister | yeah, i'm refering to that list, couse before elive, i was updating my cvs E every weekend, and had plenty of cool and ugly experiences |
| 01:39.40 | deformative | libtool |
| 01:39.53 | deformative | Ah. |
| 01:39.57 | LinuxNIT | ;) |
| 01:39.58 | TuxMeister | i know i know... i was talkin about those libs/tools |
| 01:40.06 | deformative | I have a boot with elive. |
| 01:40.15 | LinuxNIT | well i gtg again |
| 01:40.17 | TuxMeister | i'm using elive right now |
| 01:40.18 | deformative | But I think I will replace the elive boot with freebsd, not sure. |
| 01:40.34 | deformative | I use arch like 95% of the time. |
| 01:41.01 | TuxMeister | i skipped a lot of work on installing, building and tuning up a stable system, and elive is all that allready made |
| 01:41.22 | LinuxNIT | yeah elive is great |
| 01:41.27 | deformative | Well, there is not that much to do with arch. |
| 01:41.33 | LinuxNIT | ok def have to go now |
| 01:41.36 | deformative | Just edit like 6 lines in rc.conf |
| 01:41.42 | deformative | And your hosts file. |
| 01:41.45 | deformative | Bai linuxnit\ |
| 01:41.51 | deformative | Hmm, what else. |
| 01:41.55 | deformative | You need to adduser |
| 01:41.59 | deformative | Xorgconf. |
| 01:42.02 | deformative | alsa. |
| 01:43.04 | deformative | e17 |
| 01:43.15 | deformative | opera |
| 01:43.17 | deformative | xterm |
| 01:43.22 | deformative | A few more. |
| 01:43.48 | TuxMeister | kinna basic debian install, you have to fetch everything |
| 01:45.00 | roxville | and is beautifully set up |
| 01:45.09 | TuxMeister | yep... |
| 01:45.42 | deformative | roxville, to learn. =) |
| 01:45.45 | deformative | And for speed. |
| 01:45.54 | deformative | And so it is costomised the way I like it. |
| 01:46.11 | deformative | If I costomised elive the way I do arch, it would accually take longer I bet. |
| 01:46.13 | TuxMeister | i mean, i enjoy a lot tuning up a system myself, and in the e16 times (not yet deprecated, luckly) i also changed a few themes according to my colour prefs. |
| 01:46.35 | TuxMeister | but now what i mostly need is speed on bootup, and things to be allready done, just to grab the mouse and start workin' |
| 01:47.04 | deformative | tuxmeister, laptop? |
| 01:47.40 | TuxMeister | no, desktop, but i work in IT and allways have a couple of the latest elive copy with me |
| 01:47.57 | TuxMeister | specially for fast client data backup |
| 01:48.04 | deformative | Mmm, then why do you need boot speed? |
| 01:49.02 | deformative | I mean, my boot is like 15-20 seconds, without compiling my own kernel, and my computer is far from "up to date" |
| 01:49.24 | TuxMeister | well, i generally work at client's home... and my day planning is a bit strict, mostly if i have to move my ass around barcelona in bus or metro |
| 01:49.49 | TuxMeister | so i can't loose time on finding what scrued up a win install |
| 01:50.05 | TuxMeister | i just do a backup from elive, and reinstall the "system" xD |
| 01:50.15 | deformative | Heh. |
| 01:50.31 | deformative | Well, I boot both elive and arch. |
| 01:50.39 | deformative | So I guess elive is my backup. |
| 01:50.42 | deformative | =) |
| 01:50.54 | TuxMeister | that's the most of the cases, but sometimes i have to take the pc at the office, if sensible data is inside, or if it has special hardware or software to take care of |
| 01:51.30 | deformative | Ugh, my computer is so bad, it makes me sad. |
| 01:51.53 | deformative | But I am happy that I boosted preformance of my prosssessor from 1ghz to 1.33.\ |
| 01:51.53 | TuxMeister | and besides, it's a great way of advertising, almost everyone who sees me booting a nonwin system askes me what's taht |
| 01:51.55 | TuxMeister | *that |
| 01:52.34 | deformative | I did not know my bios defaulted at 1.0 ghz. |
| 01:52.42 | deformative | And I finally found it and clocked it back up. |
| 01:52.44 | deformative | =) |
| 01:53.00 | deformative | Yeah. |
| 01:53.07 | TuxMeister | :p i have it switched to 3.4 from 3Ghz most part of the year, but since no money right now (i've quit workin' for summer time) can't afford all the accessories to make it cool better |
| 01:53.18 | deformative | My computer science teacher thinks I am crazy for using linux. |
| 01:53.47 | TuxMeister | and a boost of heat in spain's summer is sign of danger xD |
| 01:53.53 | deformative | tuxmeister, see I told you my computer was far from up to date. |
| 01:54.04 | deformative | Heh. |
| 01:54.30 | TuxMeister | mine is not up to date comparing on what we were selling a couple of months ago |
| 01:54.39 | deformative | Well. |
| 01:54.43 | deformative | Mine is old. |
| 01:54.51 | deformative | I made it in 5th grade. |
| 01:54.59 | deformative | And I am in between 9th and 10th now. |
| 01:55.17 | TuxMeister | pentium extreme with 2 gigs of the best dual-channell ram, sli and crossfire systems, water-cooling, all for 2500€ |
| 01:55.33 | deformative | Ugh, next year is gonna be awful in school, they are forcing me to learn java. |
| 01:55.51 | deformative | Whoa, water cooling. |
| 01:55.51 | deformative | Nice stuff. |
| 01:56.04 | deformative | See, I have 512mb ram. |
| 01:56.06 | TuxMeister | and the most, centrino core duo laptops with at least 1gig ram and 200gigs HD |
| 01:56.23 | deformative | T_T laptops. |
| 01:56.34 | deformative | My laptop's monitor is broken in half. |
| 01:56.55 | deformative | Lol. |
| 01:57.20 | TuxMeister | mine's hd died afeter literaly drinkin' a glass of water xD |
| 01:57.34 | deformative | Heh. |
| 01:57.45 | deformative | My airsoft gun literally exploded. |
| 01:57.46 | TuxMeister | i got to dry everything but the hd died, it was switched on at the moment of the bath |
| 01:57.50 | deformative | And a shard hit my screen. |
| 01:58.03 | TuxMeister | LOL |
| 01:58.31 | deformative | And a new monitor is the same price as the laptop itself cost me. |
| 01:59.15 | TuxMeister | yep, i have an old toshiba sattelite 4070cds, second hand, and it served me very very very well |
| 01:59.30 | deformative | So I am stuck with my old old desktop. |
| 01:59.36 | deformative | But with E it works fine. |
| 01:59.40 | TuxMeister | i still keep, without an hd, though... i'm some sort of nostalgic freak xD |
| 02:00.15 | deformative | Geez, E is like 4 times faster than openbox. |
| 02:00.22 | deformative | How is this possible. |
| 02:00.25 | deformative | X_X |
| 02:00.31 | TuxMeister | haven't tried openbox... |
| 02:00.31 | deformative | Rasterman is a genious. |
| 02:00.52 | TuxMeister | but by the way you said it i can imagine is very light |
| 02:01.05 | TuxMeister | ehm, there's an easy explanation for this |
| 02:01.47 | deformative | Heh. |
| 02:01.55 | TuxMeister | the whole EFL is very very well optimized... i really think that efl's the best bunch of self made libs i've ever seen |
| 02:02.21 | deformative | And that it is coded in C. |
| 02:02.26 | deformative | =) |
| 02:02.35 | roxville | yeah, they're prtty freakin' amazing |
| 02:02.37 | deformative | [Dose not want to learn java] |
| 02:02.45 | deformative | OH MY GOSH! |
| 02:02.50 | deformative | Again. |
| 02:02.52 | deformative | DOES |
| 02:02.53 | TuxMeister | so, if you combine the power of the ease of coding with efl AND the pure C code in the bottom of C, you get a ver fast and ver sweet desktop shell as E17 is |
| 02:02.55 | deformative | I keep doing that. |
| 02:03.18 | deformative | Plus rasterman. |
| 02:03.45 | deformative | Magic code flows from his fingers. XD |
| 02:05.19 | TuxMeister | well, obviously you have mind the personal touch of raster and, ofcourse, all the people that have contributed on making efl and E be a reality that breakes through every other WM, even commercial ones (those are the worst) |
| 02:06.14 | deformative | Yes. |
| 02:06.17 | deformative | Well. |
| 02:06.24 | deformative | I am not sure how it stacks up to aqua. |
| 02:06.30 | deformative | (mac osx) |
| 02:06.39 | deformative | But I am guessing it is better. |
| 02:06.48 | TuxMeister | well, not really |
| 02:06.53 | TuxMeister | but there's a difference... |
| 02:07.33 | roxville | aqua is very much related to kde... i think |
| 02:07.40 | TuxMeister | think macOS is designed over a bunch of stric, well known, hardware... and it only works over that hardware, so that is the best optimization you can get |
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| 02:08.08 | roxville | wb patty :) |
| 02:08.19 | TuxMeister | BUT the efl and e17 is platform-crossing, so the way it works depends a lot of what hardware you're using |
| 02:08.26 | pales_rider | ty chris...not sure what just happened..lol |
| 02:08.55 | roxville | lol pales_rider |
| 02:09.00 | pales_rider | im using mice-irc now |
| 02:09.04 | pales_rider | on my mac |
| 02:09.14 | roxville | is it good? |
| 02:09.18 | deformative | well tuxmeister, macosx works with all hardware. |
| 02:09.24 | deformative | It is just not legal. |
| 02:09.45 | deformative | Well, I do not know about all hardware, but I know it works with x86. |
| 02:09.54 | pales_rider | yes i like chris |
| 02:09.56 | TuxMeister | deformative, i'm talkin' about the "legal" part, the one mr. stallman coded xD |
| 02:10.01 | pales_rider | i was using aqua |
| 02:10.12 | deformative | And it is supposed to be even faster on x86. |
| 02:10.23 | deformative | So the hardware optimisation thing dosent work. |
| 02:10.32 | TuxMeister | well... that's not true |
| 02:10.57 | pales_rider | mice-irc is lighter..i can open more tabs and apps and it doesnt slow me down |
| 02:11.18 | TuxMeister | couse in the G times, macosx was optimized over the motorola/ibm chips, so a platform crossing makes it more unstable and not so fast |
| 02:11.33 | deformative | mice-irc? Is that gui or no? |
| 02:11.48 | TuxMeister | it's just and adaption... but now things aver different, with those new intel inside mac computers |
| 02:12.09 | roxville | <pales_rider> mice-irc is lighter..i can open more tabs and apps and it doesnt slow me down <- good :) |
| 02:12.18 | deformative | I wish that mac made their os for sale without the hardware. |
| 02:12.27 | pales_rider | yeah..on this old mac that helps |
| 02:12.32 | deformative | Just so microst would die. |
| 02:12.39 | pales_rider | on my mac at work i can use anything |
| 02:12.47 | deformative | microsoft* |
| 02:12.53 | roxville | TuxMeister, they were ALWAYS compiling osx for x86 as well... |
| 02:13.00 | roxville | right from the beginning |
| 02:13.01 | pales_rider | yes its gui |
| 02:13.17 | deformative | Alright pales_rider. |
| 02:13.18 | TuxMeister | roxville, yep, but it's not the same, as i say |
| 02:13.29 | pale_horse | yeah you got a snowball <cough> at work |
| 02:13.33 | deformative | I can not decide bitlbee, centericq, or gaim. |
| 02:13.38 | pales_rider | uh huh |
| 02:13.42 | TuxMeister | it's like porting to nintendo64 a game made por ps2 xD |
| 02:13.42 | roxville | lol pale_horse |
| 02:14.14 | deformative | Well, if you just rip out the mac os kernel, and put in a different one. |
| 02:14.27 | deformative | That is x86 optimised, there shouldnt be much different. |
| 02:14.55 | deformative | But of corse, steven jobs will come and getcha if you do that. |
| 02:14.58 | deformative | DX |
| 02:15.10 | TuxMeister | that hard and tough inverse engin. and the hurd (mac kernel) is not so different to our linux kernel, so no need to replace it, just patche it for our x86 hardware |
| 02:15.37 | deformative | Yes tuxmeister, but the linux kernel is better. |
| 02:15.44 | deformative | Faster. |
| 02:15.50 | deformative | So might as well replace it. |
| 02:16.13 | deformative | They use a modified freebsd kernel I think. |
| 02:16.15 | deformative | Not sure. |
| 02:16.20 | TuxMeister | what do ya know? actually a mac-mini with the latest macos version ca boot in less than 10 secons xD |
| 02:16.41 | deformative | I know darwin, the base of their opperating system, is freebsd based. |
| 02:16.48 | TuxMeister | linux kernel is not faster, it's more adaptive |
| 02:16.48 | deformative | So can linux tuxmeister. |
| 02:17.09 | roxville | lol |
| 02:17.18 | deformative | My arch boots in 15-20 with the stock kernel, I did not compile mine. |
| 02:17.25 | roxville | guys... move this to #linuxfun? :) |
| 02:17.34 | deformative | Heh. |
| 02:17.38 | TuxMeister | :p why? would lose track xD |
| 02:17.44 | deformative | Yes, yes. |
| 02:17.48 | roxville | hehe... sorry |
| 02:17.57 | roxville | i realize that... sorry |
| 02:18.05 | deformative | XD |
| 02:18.11 | TuxMeister | :p |
| 02:18.22 | deformative | Too bad it is illegal. |
| 02:18.24 | deformative | T_T |
| 02:18.33 | TuxMeister | yep, and impossible xD |
| 02:18.41 | deformative | It is not impossible. |
| 02:18.41 | TuxMeister | let me explain mysel |
| 02:18.44 | TuxMeister | myself |
| 02:18.44 | deformative | There is a wiki on how to do it. |
| 02:18.48 | TuxMeister | before you kill me |
| 02:19.16 | TuxMeister | i've burnt myself an x86 macox version, so i know it's not impossible |
| 02:19.25 | TuxMeister | BUT there is something impossible in all this |
| 02:19.54 | deformative | What is it? |
| 02:20.28 | TuxMeister | there's a full fight for the interests of pc and mac users to be able to install macos in a pc, or windows in a mac (stupid thing, this last one, but people whants that) |
| 02:20.35 | TuxMeister | and with no need to hack it |
| 02:20.49 | TuxMeister | so, the impossible thing is that, exactly |
| 02:21.13 | roxville | lol |
| 02:21.35 | deformative | Heh. |
| 02:21.47 | deformative | T_T they make darwin for x86. |
| 02:21.53 | deformative | But it comes with NOTHING. |
| 02:21.56 | TuxMeister | it's all about the new intel inside mac's bios... it's WAY MORE DIFFERENT than a pc's one, so the system is not compatible... maybe you could get to install it, unattended or manually, but you WON'T be able to boot it, NEVER |
| 02:22.37 | TuxMeister | unless the mister richie stallman decides to change that and use the same BASIC IN/OUT SYSTEM post the same way a regular pc does |
| 02:22.38 | deformative | Then how come you can boot darwin without anything else on it? |
| 02:23.03 | TuxMeister | couse it's not the official "anti-pc" version xD |
| 02:23.35 | TuxMeister | the official version would be a commercial macosx for intel box |
| 02:23.45 | deformative | Ugh, then why not take mac osx, rip out the ppc darwin, and put in the x86. T_T |
| 02:24.11 | TuxMeister | and that, my friend, now by now, is impossible to install, nor boot successfully... and man, i really can't wait that moment to arrive |
| 02:24.17 | deformative | You can get the OS, just no quartz or aqua, or imovie, or anything. |
| 02:24.41 | deformative | Lookie, darwin. http://www.opensource.apple.com/darwinsource/ |
| 02:24.51 | TuxMeister | i know this, deformative |
| 02:24.55 | deformative | Alright. |
| 02:25.24 | TuxMeister | i'm allways talkin' about the version that apple.com and applestores sell |
| 02:25.33 | deformative | Apple would make more money if they let mac osx be installed on pcs. |
| 02:25.44 | deformative | If companies like dell started putting it on. |
| 02:25.47 | TuxMeister | not an opensource "freak" project, that' not relevant, though important for the backstage |
| 02:26.09 | TuxMeister | deformative, that's my point, i really want that moment to arrive... |
| 02:26.22 | deformative | But htey are too stuborn. |
| 02:26.25 | deformative | They will never allow it. |
| 02:26.48 | deformative | Even though they would be rich, and put winblows in the garbage where it belongs. |
| 02:26.59 | TuxMeister | look, i don't care what comes newer or "better" than window, i just whant people to NOT use that |
| 02:27.30 | deformative | Mm, I kinda like being the minority. |
| 02:27.32 | TuxMeister | it's ugly and dirty capitalism applied to IT, and the sector that most suffers this stupid redmond invasion is the end user |
| 02:27.40 | deformative | It makes me feel supperior over winblows users. |
| 02:27.43 | deformative | =D |
| 02:28.05 | TuxMeister | you got me |
| 02:28.21 | TuxMeister | roxville, enjoyed? xD |
| 02:29.26 | deformative | Hehe. |
| 02:30.29 | TuxMeister | i really need to see microsoft and bill gates in the garbage, not ruined couse he's donating a lot of money to the poor, and that's nice and kind from him (the only thing) |
| 02:31.06 | deformative | Yeah, but our allot of money to him is, dropping a 20 on the ground to us. |
| 02:31.08 | TuxMeister | but in the garbage, at the end... and with a penguin closing his mouth, or and apple, or whatever, but staying quiet is the fact |
| 02:31.33 | deformative | And that is the poor's money anyway. |
| 02:31.45 | TuxMeister | yeah |
| 02:31.46 | deformative | The poor that he tricked into using microsoft in the first place. |
| 02:31.58 | TuxMeister | well, my brain cells are getting tiret, it's late in spain |
| 02:32.06 | deformative | Oh. |
| 02:32.08 | deformative | Heh. |
| 02:32.16 | TuxMeister | ok, then |
| 02:32.22 | TuxMeister | good night everyone |
| 02:32.38 | deformative | Wait. |
| 02:32.40 | deformative | Before you go. |
| 02:32.44 | deformative | This will make you laugh. |
| 02:32.47 | deformative | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60X7KXdanAA&search=Microsoft%20History |
| 02:32.51 | deformative | If you have not already seen it. |
| 02:33.02 | deformative | B-bai. |
| 02:33.31 | TuxMeister | i have amule running, and it's sucking the shit out of my adsl |
| 02:33.42 | deformative | Ah. |
| 02:34.08 | roxville | good night TuxMeister :) |
| 02:34.09 | TuxMeister | i'll take a look to it in the morning/afthernoon/night/when i wake up xD |
| 02:34.15 | TuxMeister | roxville, 'nite mate |
| 02:34.27 | deformative | G'night. |
| 02:35.56 | deformative | Well, I guess it is time for me to go too. |
| 02:36.03 | deformative | Driver's training again tommarrow./ |
| 02:36.08 | deformative | D-= |
| 02:36.19 | deformative | B-bai. |
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| 03:00.27 | roxville | good night ppl :) |
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| 03:53.19 | Shinsten | whats up guys ... so im having the same problem i had the other night ... i have sound but nothing coming from the webbrowser... how can i mess with my sound drivers ... or can i |
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| 04:43.35 | *** topic/#elive is Official Documentation and FAQ: http://wiki.elivecd.org || Join the Elive community: http://wiki.elivecd.org/community any volonteer for make better this drupal site ? || Check #e #e.fr #e.es #e.de #e.it Enlightenment channels || BUG REPORTS to http://bugs.thanatermesis.org |
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| 06:37.29 | LinuxNIT | welcome Elive_user |
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| 06:40.10 | adamant1988 | hello all |
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| 07:28.58 | digit | hi all |
| 07:29.51 | LinuxNIT | hey |
| 07:29.57 | LinuxNIT | get 0.5 |
| 07:30.07 | digit | hey downloading stable |
| 07:30.28 | LinuxNIT | 0.5 is better ;) |
| 07:30.31 | LinuxNIT | trust me |
| 07:34.39 | digit | ok i cant seem to find it |
| 07:35.10 | digit | im on their page |
| 07:36.06 | LinuxNIT | k one sec |
| 07:37.14 | LinuxNIT | http://public.planetmirror.com/pub/elivelinux/development |
| 07:40.59 | LinuxNIT | digit, if you decide to install wait for the next releaser |
| 07:41.14 | LinuxNIT | but use this to check it out with |
| 07:41.21 | digit | ok |
| 07:41.54 | digit | gso when is the nxt release |
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| 08:07.28 | jnjb | hello |
| 08:07.56 | LinuxNIT | hello |
| 08:08.47 | jnjb | someone can paste me the sources.list of is elive i had test on my laptop but it don't run beacause it's a live |
| 08:09.26 | LinuxNIT | apt vobcopy |
| 08:09.28 | apt | from memory, vobcopy is the repository of elive: deb http://www.vobcopy.org/mirror/elive/ elive main efl elive |
| 08:09.35 | LinuxNIT | thats the elive source |
| 08:09.38 | LinuxNIT | the rest is debian |
| 08:10.09 | jnjb | thank you i run under etch |
| 08:10.57 | LinuxNIT | so does elive |
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| 08:12.31 | jnjb | i would try e17 |
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| 08:14.03 | jnjb | i try a dist-upgrade |
| 08:14.12 | LinuxNIT | no dont dist-upgrade |
| 08:14.54 | jnjb | oups |
| 08:15.02 | jnjb | aptitude |
| 08:15.44 | jnjb | too late it install |
| 08:17.29 | jnjb | why not dist-upgrade? |
| 08:18.31 | jnjb | all it isn't loose i dont reboot now |
| 08:20.40 | LinuxNIT | elive is not meant for distupgrade |
| 08:20.46 | LinuxNIT | it causes problems on some systems |
| 08:27.39 | jnjb | thank you for the informations i reboot in 10 min. |
| 08:30.30 | jnjb | hey just a question elive can exist a day in install cd |
| 08:31.11 | LinuxNIT | im sorry what? |
| 08:32.32 | jnjb | in the future the team of elive realeased an install? |
| 08:32.44 | LinuxNIT | you can install |
| 08:32.45 | jnjb | install cd |
| 08:33.00 | LinuxNIT | oh instead of just installing from the livecd? |
| 08:33.23 | LinuxNIT | i dont know.... but i doubt it |
| 08:33.37 | jnjb | yes just installing not the live system |
| 08:33.45 | LinuxNIT | i dont know.... but i doubt it |
| 08:33.57 | LinuxNIT | you would have to ask Thanatermesis |
| 08:35.44 | jnjb | Thanatermesis, i would like to know if an realse of elive exist to install directly from the cd |
| 08:36.11 | LinuxNIT | i think hes asleep right now |
| 08:36.15 | LinuxNIT | :D |
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| 09:25.24 | TuxMeister | hey there |
| 09:25.42 | LinuxNIT | hey |
| 09:26.26 | TuxMeister | just woke up |
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| 11:41.15 | roxville | good morning elivers :) |
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| 13:00.29 | Elive_user88 | hi |
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| 13:02.34 | innovati | roxville: hi! |
| 13:03.58 | roxville | hi innovati how's it going? :) |
| 13:04.09 | innovati | I'm an adult now |
| 13:04.21 | roxville | ok... |
| 13:04.28 | innovati | Tanner is coming to my BBQ, and all of you are invited |
| 13:04.47 | roxville | hello mr innovati , how are you today, sir? :) |
| 13:05.13 | roxville | oh, you turned 21? |
| 13:05.23 | innovati | roxville: naw, I'm in canada |
| 13:05.31 | innovati | it's great |
| 13:05.35 | roxville | ahhh 18 then :) |
| 13:05.48 | innovati | I can get married now - and since I'm in canada it could even be Tanner if I really wnated it to be |
| 13:06.02 | roxville | LOOOL |
| 13:06.03 | innovati | get a credit card on my own, buy Leninade on the 'net |
| 13:06.28 | roxville | just be careful with the credit cards, dude... |
| 13:06.54 | pales_rider | hi chris |
| 13:07.02 | innovati | bever buy on credit, only use it to pay for stuff you have the cash for |
| 13:07.12 | roxville | good morning patty, how are you today? |
| 13:07.33 | roxville | innovati, and it is true... so very true... |
| 13:07.34 | pales_rider | im awesome..tomorrow starts vacation |
| 13:08.05 | roxville | cool! |
| 13:08.16 | innovati | Insane guys a must check out: http://www.teslamotors.com/ |
| 13:08.36 | roxville | hey, ya'll be sure to bring a lappy with wifi so you can lohin :) |
| 13:09.31 | pales_rider | uh huh.........horse and rider reunite tomorrow!!!!! |
| 13:09.33 | roxville | dayumn... nice! |
| 13:09.50 | roxville | pales hehe |
| 13:11.12 | pales_rider | woooohooooooooooo |
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| 13:16.43 | innovati | I love missing the tab key |
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| 13:27.20 | Elive_user86 | Hello |
| 13:29.22 | roxville | well innovati ... HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 13:31.25 | innovati | thanks you |
| 13:31.32 | innovati | do I get my b-dayspanks? |
| 13:31.44 | roxville | absolutely! |
| 13:31.48 | roxville | bend over! |
| 13:32.07 | innovati | rowr |
| 13:33.27 | roxville | :D |
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| 13:37.29 | roxville | hello pounk |
| 13:37.35 | roxville | welcome to #elive |
| 13:37.50 | pounk | hello |
| 13:39.56 | roxville | how are you today? :) |
| 13:40.10 | roxville | and are you running elive, or checking things out? |
| 13:40.55 | pounk | great and you ? |
| 13:41.27 | pounk | no, I use e17 on ubuntu, but elive installed on the hd is like debian and e17? |
| 13:43.34 | roxville | correct |
| 13:44.20 | roxville | i used to TRY to use e17 and/or e16 on ubuntu... but never got it to where i wanted it... and then i found elive :) |
| 13:44.49 | pounk | k |
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| 13:45.59 | LordsStar | hi |
| 13:46.05 | roxville | hello LordsStar |
| 13:46.14 | roxville | what's up? |
| 13:46.30 | LordsStar | you speak spanish ? |
| 13:47.16 | LordsStar | i'm need the repository for install e17 |
| 13:47.22 | egrub | Hola LordsStar |
| 13:47.37 | LordsStar | hola men |
| 13:47.38 | LordsStar | gracias |
| 13:47.47 | LordsStar | mira tengo un problema |
| 13:47.59 | LordsStar | es que tenia instalado e17 hace mucho |
| 13:48.04 | LordsStar | y casi no lo usaba |
| 13:48.19 | LordsStar | y la laptop se me reinicio |
| 13:48.27 | LordsStar | y ahora e17 no me entra |
| 13:48.28 | egrub | No uso E17... |
| 13:48.38 | LordsStar | y quiero instalarlo |
| 13:49.06 | LordsStar | de nuevo |
| 13:52.33 | innovati | hola! |
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| 14:15.29 | roxville | pounk, it's a little slow right now... ppl are eagerly awaiting the new release :) |
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| 14:34.19 | egrub | apt x es en tienes razón |
| 14:34.38 | egrub | apt x en es you are right |
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| 15:07.14 | x-pAn | 4[Thanatermesis4] |
| 15:07.25 | x-pAn | tAs aBlable? |
| 15:08.12 | Thanatermesis | x-pAn, un poco |
| 15:09.01 | x-pAn | mm.. es por lo de ayer |
| 15:09.24 | Thanatermesis | dime |
| 15:10.54 | x-pAn | mm.. vasikamente no me arranko el livecd, elijo idioma i da= la opcion ke elija, se me para poko dspues dempezar a arrankar: /bin/sh: can't access tty:job control turned off |
| 15:11.15 | x-pAn | despues un salto d linea i -->(initranfs) |
| 15:11.24 | x-pAn | i a kontinuazion puedo skrivir |
| 15:12.12 | x-pAn | si t sirve de algo, lo intento korrer sobre un portatil toshiba p100-103 ke tiene monitor d 17 pulgadas apaisao, xo no kreo k sea x eso |
| 15:13.10 | x-pAn | la version 4.2 si m rekonoze las particiones dl disko kuando no las hay, lo prove en otro pc. pero en este ke lo tnia ya particionao era kndo se me eternizava el buskar otros dispositivos |
| 15:13.50 | Thanatermesis | es en que version de Elive ? |
| 15:14.30 | Thanatermesis | en la ultima ? la que pone en #elive-unstable ? |
| 15:16.36 | x-pAn | sip |
| 15:16.45 | x-pAn | m distes la url aller para dskargarla |
| 15:18.06 | Thanatermesis | tienes aun el ficheoro .iso ? |
| 15:19.17 | x-pAn | si, klaro |
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| 15:19.36 | x-pAn | elive-unstable-0.5-beta2-cvs20060715.iso |
| 15:22.10 | Thanatermesis | bien, has verificado su md5 ? |
| 15:22.43 | Thanatermesis | en ese link tienes un fichero.md5 que dice el codigo md5, haz: "md5sum fichero.iso" para saber si el iso que te has bajado corresponde con el md5 |
| 15:25.18 | x-pAn | no lo verifike. avé |
| 15:26.16 | x-pAn | stoi dskargandO dsd windows, no tngo ningun linux aOramimo:) |
| 15:27.44 | x-pAn | xo amos... ese mismo lo prove en un airis normalillo k tne mi mare i si arranko perfektamente |
| 15:28.01 | x-pAn | era por mi portatil x lo ke no arrankava... |
| 15:40.13 | x-pAn | tuturuuu:P |
| 15:48.42 | egrub | roxville, x-pAn is windozero? |
| 15:48.43 | egrub | xD |
| 15:49.18 | x-pAn | mm..... 8-) me sientO diskriminaO:P |
| 15:50.00 | roxville | hehe |
| 15:50.15 | roxville | no discriminado x-pAn :) |
| 15:50.21 | roxville | not yet, anyway :) |
| 15:50.32 | x-pAn | xO amos.... guindOus es necesariO pa algunas kOsikas... |
| 15:50.36 | x-pAn | kadavez menos xo... |
| 15:51.34 | x-pAn | la kUadrikulidaz de la mnt d mi pare vA a ser k me imposibilita no tener un guindOus instaLao en el portatil.... |
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| 15:57.58 | adamant1988 | hello all |
| 15:58.04 | adamant1988 | how's everyone? |
| 16:03.41 | Thanatermesis | x-pAn, entonces esta bien el MD5 ? |
| 16:04.05 | Thanatermesis | x-pAn, bueno... necesario.... nose nose eh? yo no lo necesito para nada, es mas, no quiero ni tocarlo xD |
| 16:05.53 | x-pAn | jajaja... iO dmasiadas vzes tngO k djarle el portatil a mi pare, i... ensñarle un poko d linux no seria difizil... xO... konseguir ke akzeda a ke le enseñe.. mm.... es una Ardua tarea de la ke aUn no me e enkargaO |
| 16:06.39 | x-pAn | detoas formas, apart d eso, io no sToi tan avanzao en linux kmo para soluzionar kualkier kOsa, tB es verdaz... |
| 16:06.42 | x-pAn | demmnto |
| 16:11.50 | egrub | xD |
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| 16:20.14 | Thanatermesis | pues hay que lanzarse y meterse de pleno ;) |
| 16:20.48 | Thanatermesis | has probado de grabar la misma iso en otro CD de otra marca y a otra velocidad ? |
| 16:34.50 | x-pAn | 4[Thanatermesis4] el cd ia te digo k funcionava en un portatil asi mas kutrillo k tene mi mare |
| 16:35.06 | x-pAn | sin embargo en el mio no... |
| 16:37.30 | Thanatermesis | habria que ver la razon por la que no funciona en el tuyo... |
| 16:37.36 | Thanatermesis | tiene algun tipo de hardware especial ? |
| 16:38.03 | Thanatermesis | prueba de añadirle el parámetro "acpi=off" en las opciones de arranque |
| 16:41.16 | adamant1988 | Thanatermesis: How long about until the next Elive CD is released? |
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| 17:23.54 | i3dmaster | is Thanatermesis on? |
| 17:24.45 | Thanatermesis | yes |
| 17:25.19 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, hey man.. I remastered your GREAT elive and made it for our corp internal usage |
| 17:26.07 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, modified initrd and deliver and some other code. if you need them, I can send back to you |
| 17:26.07 | Thanatermesis | nice :) for a enterprise ? |
| 17:26.12 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, yes |
| 17:26.18 | pounk | i3dmaster, us.ibm.com ? |
| 17:26.30 | i3dmaster | pounk, hmm... ok how do you know? |
| 17:26.39 | pounk | i3dmaster (n=i3dmaste@bi01p1.co.us.ibm.com) |
| 17:26.48 | Thanatermesis | what kind of changes exactly ? |
| 17:27.00 | i3dmaster | pounk, ah ok... I didn't know that. |
| 17:27.16 | pounk | but you work for ibm ?! |
| 17:27.42 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, bascially a hack for detection usb devices automount to home dir so that user can save their profiles |
| 17:27.56 | i3dmaster | and plus our own apps which is not open free.. |
| 17:28.08 | Thanatermesis | ah nice, this is a good feature waiting since long time in my TODO list :) |
| 17:28.26 | i3dmaster | I just want to let you know that except our corp made apps, I can send back to you anything you need |
| 17:29.47 | Thanatermesis | well, if you add nice features, is greateful to have it for a posible implement on Elive in the future releases |
| 17:29.50 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, udev rule+the DSS script hack |
| 17:30.44 | Thanatermesis | well, sounds interessant |
| 17:30.55 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, ok. I would like to help on Elive too cause its the direct upstream |
| 17:31.16 | roxville | i3 what thana means, is... IT SOUNDS FUCKING AWESOME!! |
| 17:31.28 | roxville | :) |
| 17:31.29 | Thanatermesis | lol, hehe |
| 17:31.56 | Thanatermesis | its used on... IBM ? |
| 17:32.04 | i3dmaster | roxville, ya. actualy DSS script set did a very good job on detecting hardware's using udev. |
| 17:32.28 | i3dmaster | roxville, what I did is to hack the udev rule for my needs |
| 17:32.38 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, I am trying to push it. |
| 17:32.52 | i3dmaster | cause I like your distro very much |
| 17:33.23 | Thanatermesis | nice :) well... tell me about what happens on the enterprise ;) |
| 17:33.26 | Thanatermesis | thanks i3dmaster |
| 17:33.31 | roxville | hey i3dmaster if ibm needs a new logo... just come here and ask, and... i'll see what i can do :) |
| 17:34.00 | roxville | or maybe ibm needs a new startup sound... |
| 17:34.09 | Thanatermesis | btw, 0.5 stable is soon ;) the next release of 0.5-beta is maybe this week |
| 17:34.49 | i3dmaster | roxville, man I really need some artwork. I made several but you know I am no art at all. |
| 17:35.38 | Thanatermesis | just for curiosity, what is your work on IBM ? |
| 17:35.42 | i3dmaster | cool. any plan on kernel upgrades? |
| 17:35.43 | roxville | i3dmaster, i am no master either... but the elive logo came out pretty nice :) |
| 17:35.52 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, Im a sys admin |
| 17:35.54 | roxville | after hundreds of tests... |
| 17:36.08 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, there is a huge community in there for debian |
| 17:36.26 | i3dmaster | roxville, only that is 100 times better than mine |
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| 17:36.53 | Thanatermesis | about the kernel... not for now, but im planing upgrade the REVISION of the same kernel... |
| 17:37.11 | Thanatermesis | and the plans for Elive is to turn directly on Debian Stable branch |
| 17:37.23 | Thanatermesis | for the next year :) |
| 17:37.24 | roxville | hey i3dmaster IF... you have access to a printer, could you print this and tell me if it's legible? |
| 17:37.40 | roxville | http://roxville.no-ip.org/public_html/elive-stuff/elive-cd-label7.jpg |
| 17:37.49 | roxville | coz... i'm out of ink... |
| 17:37.51 | i3dmaster | roxville, sure. I do have printer around. |
| 17:38.01 | roxville | and noone else seems to have a printer... |
| 17:38.53 | roxville | oh... i3dmaster sorry! |
| 17:38.57 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, will that slow down the package release. cause I know packages coming to stable is pretty slow and old. |
| 17:39.01 | roxville | you'll get the .tif |
| 17:39.20 | i3dmaster | I like the new stuff... like testing and unstable and its not really that bad |
| 17:39.37 | roxville | http://roxville.no-ip.org/public_html/elive-stuff/elive-cd-label7.tif |
| 17:39.37 | Thanatermesis | well.. you are true but: |
| 17:39.59 | Thanatermesis | for me this is the "problems" to use those versions of debian on Elive: |
| 17:40.53 | Thanatermesis | - Debian Stable: is stable and very good, not worry about very things, perfect for the medium end-user, has a lot of packages, but the releases are slow and the packages are fastly turned in "old programs" |
| 17:42.00 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, well that's fine.. I can always add links to sources.lst :) |
| 17:42.25 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, which probably better cause I got a rock stable upstream version |
| 17:42.29 | Thanatermesis | - Debian Testing: Is a mix between stable and unstable, but is a lot of work for me on Elive, i need to look all the time all the packages to enter on Debian and look if i need to update any on Elive and look if any lib version don't works with some programs or posibles conflicts, another problem is to testing actually NOT has a good number of packages to are only on stable or unstable |
| 17:42.42 | Thanatermesis | - Debian unstable: Well... maybe too hard for the end-user :) |
| 17:43.28 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, but lots of new stuff first comes to unstable though |
| 17:43.50 | Thanatermesis | the idea is to turn directly Elive on Debian stable.... with more actual programs if is needed (ex. backports), and maybe the posibility of create "testing" repositories for Elive... then... well.. same to debian, you switch your sources.list and dist-upgrade, you change the version of your distro :) |
| 17:44.18 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, when you get ubuntu upgraded to use firefox 1.6 or 2 and elive is still stuck at 1.5, some users will complaint... |
| 17:44.50 | roxville | i3dmaster, thanks you for sharing this with us :) elive is honored |
| 17:44.50 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, that's a good plan |
| 17:45.11 | Thanatermesis | well... but we don't have some bugs to maybe ubuntu has for use those versions ;) |
| 17:45.13 | i3dmaster | roxville, oh ya. good is good! and elive is really good! |
| 17:45.24 | roxville | :) |
| 17:45.30 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, roxville, you guys keep up good work and Im depending on you |
| 17:45.57 | Thanatermesis | is true to the users complains.. and i explain to its needed a compatiblity and a time of tests for not has bugs... but sometimes, depend of the package, i include it on the Elive repositoriees |
| 17:47.00 | Thanatermesis | i3dmaster, if you like to are noticed about the next releases, just add your email here ;) http://elivecd.org/gb/infomail/ |
| 17:47.39 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, ya that sounds like a plan. |
| 17:47.49 | i3dmaster | ya, I will add my email there. |
| 17:48.34 | Thanatermesis | you receive a message on spanish... its just because its not finished the translations ;) |
| 17:49.03 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, I will match up with your release in the future... The current one is based on 0.5-beta |
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| 17:50.00 | Thanatermesis | tell me if your enterprise thinks to use Elive or any thing, my email is thanatermesis.elive_ AT_ gmail.com |
| 17:50.50 | Thanatermesis | mmmh... the actual beta-5 ? this version is a little ugly to upgrade with the xorg7 stuff... but the next beta is for very soon... i hope this week |
| 17:51.32 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, I can tell you that internally, our biggest competition is with RH internal version. |
| 17:52.21 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, will do. I will probably communicate with you offen in the future cause bugs reported to me might be elive's not ibm apps. |
| 17:52.44 | Thanatermesis | hehe, well, RH is the N 1º linux distro for the enterprises related... |
| 17:53.24 | Thanatermesis | good, Elive needs bug reports, not very persons reports bugs |
| 17:53.56 | Thanatermesis | we are seting a site for reporting bugs... actually you can found one on http://bugs.thanatermesis.org , but in the future you can found it on the Elive site directly |
| 17:54.13 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, our internal community is very active. I am sure there will be many involved |
| 17:54.33 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, ok. |
| 17:55.07 | Thanatermesis | good :) |
| 17:55.40 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, right now its still in a very early stage.. I am still calling for help internally right now.. but in the future I am thinking to collecting bugs reported internally which are related to just elive and send over to you |
| 17:56.28 | Thanatermesis | perfect, you are welcome :) |
| 17:56.31 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, what I hope is your distro can be another candidate openclient other than just RH |
| 17:57.31 | Thanatermesis | mmh |
| 17:57.33 | Thanatermesis | apt openclient |
| 17:57.46 | Thanatermesis | apt open-client |
| 17:58.09 | Thanatermesis | apt x en es what I hope is your distro can be another candidate openclient other than just RH |
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| 17:58.52 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, someone was trying to make one based on ubuntu in our corp but long not hear anything.. I guess its probably dead. so I came up with elive and try to push it. |
| 17:59.20 | Thanatermesis | thanks i3dmaster :) |
| 17:59.59 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, np, its good to have more people know about good things |
| 18:00.25 | Thanatermesis | :) |
| 18:00.34 | i3dmaster | later man.. |
| 18:00.43 | Thanatermesis | later i3dmaster |
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| 18:56.44 | coyote10 | Thanatermesis: hablo del login manager |
| 18:57.55 | Thanatermesis | entrance ? |
| 19:00.02 | coyote10 | manejador de usuarios |
| 19:00.30 | coyote10 | la primer pantalla que aparece antes de entrar a elive |
| 19:00.55 | coyote10 | la que hiciste programando la interfaz |
| 19:01.13 | Thanatermesis | coyote10, http://images.google.be/images?svnum=10&hl=nl&lr=&q=darkrock+entrance&btnG=Zoeken |
| 19:01.14 | Thanatermesis | eso ? |
| 19:02.05 | coyote10 | si |
| 19:02.20 | coyote10 | tienes ese paquete |
| 19:02.32 | Thanatermesis | o te refieres a este ? http://thanatermesis.org/mediawiki/index.php/Themes_Page |
| 19:02.50 | Thanatermesis | si bueno... tengo ese paquete... pero eso depende de todas las librerias de E y todo tambien, eh ? |
| 19:02.54 | Thanatermesis | que estas ? en una debian etch ? |
| 19:03.41 | coyote10 | si debian etch |
| 19:04.29 | coyote10 | si lo instalo me instalara todo enlightenment? |
| 19:04.34 | Thanatermesis | mas o menos xD |
| 19:04.38 | Thanatermesis | todas las libs si |
| 19:04.46 | Thanatermesis | pero no tendria que darte ningun problema |
| 19:05.51 | coyote10 | esta en los repos debian o esta en los tuyos |
| 19:07.09 | Thanatermesis | en los de Elive |
| 19:07.13 | Thanatermesis | apt, idefix |
| 19:07.14 | apt | i guess idefix is deb http://idefix.eup.uva.es/elive elive main efl elive |
| 19:07.18 | Thanatermesis | metele ese |
| 19:07.22 | Thanatermesis | apt, thanks :) |
| 19:07.22 | apt | Thanatermesis: my pleasure |
| 19:08.12 | coyote10 | oks |
| 19:08.32 | coyote10 | oies pero io quiero un tar.gz para modificarlos |
| 19:08.38 | coyote10 | tengo en mente algo xD |
| 19:09.06 | Thanatermesis | bueno... pues abre el paquete |
| 19:09.15 | coyote10 | de hecho me gustaba mas el anterior |
| 19:09.15 | Thanatermesis | dpkg -x paquete.deb directorio-detino |
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| 19:50.40 | i3dmaster | hey Thanatermesis, |
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| 19:51.44 | Thanatermesis | yes i3dmaster ? |
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| 19:53.30 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, just thought about another thing. I think the entrance package got upgraded recently |
| 19:54.10 | Thanatermesis | yes, posible... i have made a little modification on the package |
| 19:54.13 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, for some reason, the recently repack of the liveCD doesn't have the nice lovely reminder anymore. |
| 19:54.17 | Thanatermesis | but is the same version internally |
| 19:54.44 | Thanatermesis | mmh, what reminder ? |
| 19:55.26 | i3dmaster | ok. hmm... for some reason, the automated reminder for the eliveuser and the password does not show up anymore |
| 19:55.49 | Thanatermesis | aha, you mean the entrance message ? |
| 19:56.08 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, yes. I was trying to find out why.. probably the conf file got overwritten? |
| 19:56.18 | Thanatermesis | and you are speaking about the liveCD mode ? (this not are show when the distro is installed) |
| 19:56.20 | i3dmaster | how to get it back? |
| 19:56.30 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, right. the install mode don't need that |
| 19:56.41 | Thanatermesis | correct |
| 19:56.49 | Thanatermesis | well, the liveCD mode has a diferent theme for entrance |
| 19:56.54 | Thanatermesis | this theme contains this message |
| 19:56.59 | Thanatermesis | let me check where is... |
| 19:57.11 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, oh ok. |
| 19:57.28 | Thanatermesis | on the liveCD mode: |
| 19:57.41 | Thanatermesis | this is the original theme /usr/share/entrance/themes/darkrock.original |
| 19:57.47 | Thanatermesis | and the .edj, is the modified |
| 19:58.15 | Thanatermesis | on the installed mode, the .original is moved to .edj... and only exist it :) |
| 19:58.21 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, ok let me take a look there.. |
| 20:00.02 | Thanatermesis | im thinkin about change this thing for the next versions of Elive.. adding it to a "dialog" message before to start X, on this way... is more easy, less space used, and is posible to put the message on diferents languages... the bad things is to the end-user maybe not read because if is from windows, he only press "ok -> ok -> ok", and also less beautiful than on entrance |
| 20:00.14 | Thanatermesis | what you think about this ? |
| 20:00.37 | Deformative | I think make e17 the default in entrance. |
| 20:00.39 | Deformative | =D |
| 20:00.48 | i3dmaster | this is what I got currently in my customized liveCD |
| 20:00.49 | i3dmaster | zsh/2 3320 % ls |
| 20:00.49 | i3dmaster | darkrock.edj default.edj Nebulous.edj |
| 20:00.59 | i3dmaster | there is no darkrock.original |
| 20:01.53 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, agree with you its probably a lot less user-friendly |
| 20:02.28 | Thanatermesis | but the end-user needs to know english... |
| 20:02.33 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, so I guess if I grab that darkrock.original and copy over to themes, I should get the orig theme back |
| 20:02.49 | Thanatermesis | well.. not is very hard BTW... when a user is trying one time and another a user and pass... and has a message saying: |
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| 20:02.52 | Thanatermesis | USER: eliveuser |
| 20:02.56 | Thanatermesis | PASS: Elive |
| 20:03.11 | Thanatermesis | mmmh... i don't think to its very hard for the non-english speakers :) |
| 20:03.24 | Thanatermesis | and if is hard, then is not a good candidate for use Elive ! lol |
| 20:03.33 | i3dmaster | Deformative, I'd agree to make e17 as the default. Actually I seldom use e16 for now. |
| 20:04.04 | Thanatermesis | well.. e16 is stable and has the beautiful engage... e17 is more beautiful and user-friendly.. |
| 20:04.08 | Deformative | I used to use e16 allot. |
| 20:04.16 | Deformative | When I didn't know how to use cvs. |
| 20:04.23 | Deformative | But now I use e17. |
| 20:04.24 | Thanatermesis | well.. ok, i set e17 has default :) |
| 20:04.34 | Deformative | Woot. |
| 20:04.44 | Deformative | When is the next release of elive comming out? |
| 20:04.59 | Deformative | Like approximently? |
| 20:05.17 | Thanatermesis | i3dmaster, IN the liveCD, the darkrock.original not exists ? |
| 20:05.27 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, ya go e17 shouldn't be a wrong choice i think |
| 20:05.34 | i3dmaster | Thanaterm, no |
| 20:06.05 | i3dmaster | Thanaterm, probably because I upgraded a lot when I remaster it |
| 20:06.09 | Thanatermesis | Deformative, well, i hope the next beta for this week... its a good version and a little tested by roxville and LinuxNIT from a "test" (non-official) release just some days ago.... |
| 20:06.20 | Thanatermesis | the stable 0.5... well, im not sure, maybe 2 weeks ? |
| 20:06.28 | Deformative | Alright. |
| 20:06.56 | Deformative | Because my best friend does not know enough about linux to use archlinux as his defualt, and he loves Elive. |
| 20:06.58 | Thanatermesis | i3dmaster, wait, i send you this file then |
| 20:07.02 | Deformative | But he never comes on this channel. |
| 20:07.09 | Deformative | So I will have to let him know. |
| 20:07.26 | i3dmaster | Thanaterm, oh that's fine. I still has the orig Elive and I can just copy over |
| 20:08.07 | Deformative | Oh thanatermesis, you prolly already know about this, I do not know if it even exists anymore, but I used to get an error when I used synaptic to update all applications. |
| 20:08.12 | i3dmaster | Thanaterm, I just want to make sure that the only think I need to do is to place this file under the theme dir and I should get the orig entrance theme and nice reminder back right? |
| 20:08.28 | Thanatermesis | Deformative, you have posted the bug on the bug-tracker page, yes ? |
| 20:08.50 | Deformative | I would, but I do not know if it still exists. |
| 20:08.59 | Deformative | And i have not been on elive in a while. |
| 20:09.02 | Deformative | I still have it isntalled. |
| 20:09.08 | Deformative | I just usually boot arch. |
| 20:11.17 | Thanatermesis | i3dmaster, ok, for the liveCD mode, put this file http://thanatermesis.org/users/tmp/darkrock-message.edj to /usr/share/entrance/themes/darkrock.edj , and the original file on this dir with this name, move to /usr/share/entrance/themes/darkrock.original , the installer makes the rest automatically in the moment of the installation |
| 20:12.24 | i3dmaster | Thanaterm, got it. Thanks!! |
| 20:13.13 | Thanatermesis | Deformative, is this ? http://bug-elive.cocotier.ch/?do=details&id=12&histring= |
| 20:14.14 | Deformative | 90% sure it is, yes. |
| 20:14.47 | Thanatermesis | well.. is explained on this ticket.. anyways the new isos has the fresh packages of xorg 7 with updated drivers and all :) |
| 20:15.10 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, I'd prefer to still keeping a GUI greeter. actually entrance isn't too bad |
| 20:15.13 | Thanatermesis | and a new feature on the installer very nice if you have a /home separed for your before installation of Elive ;) |
| 20:16.37 | Thanatermesis | i3dmaster, well. ok.. not is hard to understand the message and is more beautiful ;) |
| 20:16.39 | i3dmaster | Thanaterm, it is beautiful. If I were you, I will probably just make a new theme of entrance for the new release instead of getting rid of it |
| 20:16.39 | Thanatermesis | i3dmaster, what you think about the future theme ? (not finished) http://thanatermesis.org/mediawiki/index.php/Themes_Page |
| 20:16.39 | Thanatermesis | hehe O:) |
| 20:17.18 | Deformative | Nice. |
| 20:17.29 | Thanatermesis | make a look to the video-demo ;) |
| 20:18.57 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, I feel it doesn't changed too much on the both style and design. The object position is almost the same. |
| 20:19.28 | Thanatermesis | true, i have used the darkrock theme for base of this |
| 20:19.37 | Thanatermesis | but the look is... a little diferent :) |
| 20:20.17 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, one thing I do like to see is the option for language and reboot, or maybe suspend. I am kinda feeling a little bit annoy when I logoff, the only choice is poweroff... :) |
| 20:20.45 | Deformative | Then use a terminal instead? |
| 20:20.53 | Thanatermesis | you mean about change the language and restart entrance for the changes ? |
| 20:20.53 | Deformative | Hehe. |
| 20:21.02 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, ya I reboot from termianl everytime... |
| 20:21.24 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, I don't feel bad about it but thinking about the normal users.. |
| 20:21.47 | Thanatermesis | this is actually done, maybe for the next release, i have request this feature for e16 and now, is posible to change the language without restart X ;) |
| 20:21.48 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, most of users try to stick with GUI |
| 20:22.08 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, that will be very nice |
| 20:24.15 | roxville | Deformative, in a terminal, as root: scite /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:24.17 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, looking at the demo, two things, are the black wards really flying around when you are trying to logon? |
| 20:24.41 | Deformative | roxville? |
| 20:24.51 | roxville | and then change the marillat line to this: ### Marillat repository, special multimedia |
| 20:24.51 | roxville | deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main |
| 20:25.14 | roxville | and open synaptic and update :) |
| 20:25.14 | Deformative | For the bug? |
| 20:25.17 | Deformative | Oh. |
| 20:25.54 | i3dmaster | roxville, hey I printed out your label design. its very nice... the color is a little bit light.. but that's probably just what i feel though.. |
| 20:26.41 | Thanatermesis | i3dmaster, the letters ? well... all those parts to are moving not accept "events", then you can enter the user normally since the first movement made... also you click the power button (if you are fast) |
| 20:30.19 | roxville | i3dmaster, a bit light... ok... hmmm... |
| 20:30.36 | i3dmaster | Thanaterm, yes I was talking about those black wards flying around not the flowing objects. |
| 20:31.05 | roxville | Deformative, it is not a bug... and it's NOT a feature :) the repo simply changed address, that's why you get that error |
| 20:31.18 | i3dmaster | roxville, while that just my personal feeling. don't take serious |
| 20:31.31 | roxville | lol, ok |
| 20:32.09 | i3dmaster | roxville, I have color preference. I like dark colors.. all my themes are dark. |
| 20:33.02 | roxville | these are the same colors as the boot splash image... made by MY gimp guru, corneliusz |
| 20:33.15 | Thanatermesis | i3dmaster, yes... is just visual, not make any diference for the events of the login manager |
| 20:33.23 | roxville | he's great at colors... but maybe it IS too light when printed... |
| 20:33.24 | i3dmaster | oh btw roxville, can I ask you help me design a logo and bootsplash background for ibm elive. |
| 20:33.48 | i3dmaster | roxville, ya probably... |
| 20:34.19 | i3dmaster | Thanaterm, yes that's what I think but do you feel a little annoying when you are trying to type something and they are still flying around. |
| 20:34.51 | i3dmaster | Thanaterm, my suggestion is whenever the mouse moves, fly words stop |
| 20:35.21 | Thanatermesis | mmh... ok, not bad idea |
| 20:36.34 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, the stop can even become a little bit romatic... shrink them or fade them out instead of just stop suddenly. |
| 20:36.52 | i3dmaster | but I guess its probably need a lot of work |
| 20:37.10 | Thanatermesis | well.. all is work, but not very ;) |
| 20:37.33 | Thanatermesis | btw im not sure if this theme are ready for 0.5 or better for 0.6 |
| 20:38.18 | i3dmaster | ok i see. |
| 20:38.59 | i3dmaster | I would recommend theme changes cause that's the first signel telling people "hey, this is new release.." |
| 20:39.12 | i3dmaster | singal |
| 20:40.18 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, inside our corp, people are discussing replace the enlighenment with traditional gnome and kde.. but I ask them to try this first. I said you guys will love it |
| 20:40.25 | roxville | and... i believe the word is "signal" |
| 20:40.33 | roxville | :D |
| 20:40.46 | Thanatermesis | hehehe |
| 20:40.46 | i3dmaster | roxville, ya sorry... fat finger today |
| 20:41.04 | roxville | i3dmaster, is there somewhere i can get a high-res ibm logo? |
| 20:41.14 | Thanatermesis | well.. when i ear any person saying this... i just answer "then why Elive ?" |
| 20:43.49 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, you got great confidence about your baby. it is good though but you know as I am pushing it to our internal community and some people don't know it just because they've never used it and experienced it before. if I said that, they will probably say "ok, whatever.. I can use gnome or kde, or xfce, why I care".. then that's not what I want |
| 20:44.03 | i3dmaster | more people try, more will like it |
| 20:45.46 | i3dmaster | so I told them that it is possible to add more desktop env into the liveCD for choices. |
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| 20:46.04 | i3dmaster | i3dmaster, but enlightenment will be the default. |
| 20:46.08 | Thanatermesis | yes, well, i don't worry very, i have a thing in the mind for the ppl don't need to try for know if is good ;) i hope use this for... well, Elive 1.0 ;) |
| 20:47.18 | Thanatermesis | remastering it is posible, yes... but not for the official CD of Elive, one CD has max 700 Mb and wee need to save space with any program or thing.. sometimes remove a good program for add another |
| 20:48.31 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, oh yes. Elive will always stick with Enlightenment. |
| 20:49.09 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, yo got much much larger market place then my internal one... different needs |
| 20:50.43 | Thanatermesis | yes, of course in the future are planned diferents and special versions of Elive... but well... another WM than E... im not very sure... Elive and his applications is VERY integrated for work on E |
| 20:51.09 | Thanatermesis | prepaire Elive for another WM for example KDE or GNOME.. is similar than start the work from 0 again |
| 20:51.37 | Thanatermesis | and well.... the idea of Elive is a beautiful and powered desktop, with the minimum hardware requeriments |
| 20:52.03 | Thanatermesis | another way to work.... the monopol of the "dumb click" is finished :) |
| 20:52.43 | Thanatermesis | and for make ready for the end-user this "another way to work"... i have again a lot more of work to done... *sigh* |
| 20:53.44 | roxville | :) |
| 20:54.11 | roxville | thana, you are like me... the bigger audience you have, the better you work :) |
| 20:54.23 | Thanatermesis | :) |
| 20:54.23 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, we just discuss about it since not many knows about your great work yet, they might forget about what's gnome after using it :) |
| 20:54.23 | i3dmaster | be honest, I really like the theme you put around the testing theme page. |
| 20:55.17 | Thanatermesis | kde and gnome are maded basically for are "similar to windows", for the end-user... "linux is hard ? ok.... we make a similar interface...", but this is not a evolution of the desktop, and windows NOT is a intuitive desktop |
| 20:57.44 | roxville | oops |
| 20:58.04 | roxville | maybe ibm doesn't allow him to read that... |
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| 20:58.57 | i3dmaster | roxville |
| 20:59.07 | i3dmaster | http://www-03.ibm.com/ibm/history/exhibits/logo/logo_8.html |
| 21:00.16 | i3dmaster | its a black and white. deep blue and white maybe a little bit more attractive. |
| 21:04.35 | roxville | ok :) |
| 21:04.47 | i3dmaster | roxville, thanks man! |
| 21:05.07 | roxville | it's kinda small... but i found some BIG ones on the net :) |
| 21:05.13 | roxville | thank you though :) |
| 21:05.18 | i3dmaster | roxville, cool. |
| 21:05.37 | roxville | ok, i HAVE to take my daughter to the pool now, or she'll kill me! |
| 21:05.55 | i3dmaster | go go go! |
| 21:06.39 | roxville | :D |
| 21:06.44 | roxville | ok, ciao! |
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| 21:47.48 | i3dmaster | hey Thanatermesis, |
| 21:48.51 | Thanatermesis | yes ? |
| 21:49.29 | i3dmaster | just another thought, for now, most of apps installed from apt do create entries in either favoriate or bar, or anywhere in elive desktop. |
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| 21:50.13 | i3dmaster | Im thinking in the future, we should include prebuilt eap into the app package and install it while installing the package |
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| 21:50.37 | i3dmaster | I've made it successful on my internal apps. |
| 21:50.50 | i3dmaster | do not create entries... |
| 21:51.05 | bouba | hi thanatermesis! i've some problem with eThemes... |
| 21:51.46 | Thanatermesis | yes, this is what i try to made... everytime i look a good app, i make their eap |
| 21:51.47 | i3dmaster | if you want to take a look the postinst and postrm scripts that I made for my internal app, let me know. |
| 21:51.49 | Thanatermesis | actually exist... |
| 21:52.08 | Thanatermesis | 93 eap's |
| 21:52.33 | Thanatermesis | well... not easy to make all the eap's to pacakges exists.. |
| 21:52.46 | Thanatermesis | <i3dmaster> I've made it successful on my internal apps. |
| 21:52.48 | Thanatermesis | ah, nice |
| 21:52.59 | Thanatermesis | send me your eap's if you like when you have |
| 21:53.17 | Thanatermesis | but i can send you a tool of i use for make it more fast and better |
| 21:53.45 | Thanatermesis | bouba, ethemes ? it not works more.. use the theme selector on the menu of e17 instead... mmh... it stills on elpanel ? |
| 21:53.49 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, that's true. lot of them don't create any entry in applications, or menu, they wouldn't be in the entry even if I run e17genmenu.. and it doesn't take xpm icon. |
| 21:54.33 | Thanatermesis | well, i like more to make those manually |
| 21:54.41 | Thanatermesis | and set the correct values for the window class and all |
| 21:54.45 | bouba | yes i'ts still there:D |
| 21:54.47 | Thanatermesis | and the better quality icon... |
| 21:55.24 | Thanatermesis | uh... i need to remove it bouba... thx, i make a look |
| 21:55.31 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, ok. the eap's I have for now are only for my internal apps, so you wouldn't need them, if I found any open source apps don't have eap, I will try to make some and share with you. |
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| 21:56.21 | bentejuy | hello all! |
| 21:56.45 | bouba | hello |
| 21:56.46 | Thanatermesis | i3dmaster, wait, i send you my tools for the eap's... when you have a good number, send me all for email ;) |
| 21:56.47 | Thanatermesis | hi bentejuy |
| 21:56.58 | i3dmaster | Thanaterm, will do. |
| 21:56.59 | bentejuy | hola Thanatermesis |
| 21:58.16 | bouba | thanatermesis, the theme selector in the e17 menù, is a enlightenment part right? not an alive's part...right? |
| 21:58.18 | i3dmaster | Thanaterm, my idea is on the package installation, install the eap's to the correct location too. |
| 22:00.39 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, its hard to make all of them cause you'd have to rebuild debs and insert postinst and postrm scripts, but whenever you find a cool app that don't have eap, grab the source down and repack it including the eap, then next time when we apt it from your repo, the eap will get installed to the correct place. Its also a way to standardize things. |
| 22:01.16 | Thanatermesis | <i3dmaster> Thanaterm, my idea is on the package installation, install the eap's to the correct location too. |
| 22:01.19 | Thanatermesis | yes but... |
| 22:01.27 | Thanatermesis | Elive uses actually 2 repositories on the same time |
| 22:01.32 | Thanatermesis | Elive repo + debian repo |
| 22:02.05 | Thanatermesis | if i modify a application package from debian, and i add on it the correct eap (is also a lot of work), then i need to add this package on the Elive repositories |
| 22:02.16 | Thanatermesis | to are installed when you select this package, FROM Elive repositories |
| 22:02.27 | Thanatermesis | made this with VERY applications packages is A LOT of work |
| 22:02.47 | Thanatermesis | and update those packages to every upgrade to debian has (actually on testing, has A LOT), is ... well, VERY work |
| 22:03.13 | Thanatermesis | finally i think to its better to have on the system all the eap's of the applications and not touch the packages of the programs |
| 22:03.45 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, hmm... I can see your point now. |
| 22:04.35 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, maybe a package contains all eap's you made and when apt install it, we get all eaps, and that way, its easier to maintain and update |
| 22:05.48 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, I should say eaps for all common apps, not all apps. |
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| 22:07.34 | Thanatermesis | i3dmaster, http://thanatermesis.org/users/tmp/eaps-maker.tgz |
| 22:07.41 | i3dmaster | of course this eap package will come default installed in liveCD and in any case the user messed up the eaps, they can just apt-get install it and get everything recovered. |
| 22:07.56 | Thanatermesis | <i3dmaster> Thanatermesis, maybe a package contains all eap's you made and when apt install it, we get all eaps, and that way, its easier to maintain and update |
| 22:07.59 | Thanatermesis | all are on the elive-skel system |
| 22:08.01 | Thanatermesis | package* |
| 22:08.15 | Thanatermesis | when you upgrade the system or this package, you uppdate the icons... |
| 22:08.30 | Thanatermesis | of course, you need to use elive-skel for have it... or adding a new user |
| 22:08.46 | Thanatermesis | but the idea is to have the maximum posible on every release |
| 22:08.51 | Thanatermesis | and then are included directly |
| 22:08.54 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, oh .. ok I see. |
| 22:09.00 | i3dmaster | yes, that will be very cool |
| 22:10.42 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, it will not wipe out the local eaps and restore to the factory default right with the upgrade? |
| 22:12.15 | Thanatermesis | with a upgrade no |
| 22:12.31 | Thanatermesis | but when you add a user, the eaps are "nserted" |
| 22:12.35 | Thanatermesis | or when you play with elive-skel |
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| 22:12.41 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, ok |
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| 22:13.12 | Thanatermesis | i3dmaster, make a look to this: http://wiki.elivecd.org/index.php/Elive-skel_System |
| 22:17.43 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, looks like the elive-skel package just have the script, no eaps |
| 22:18.06 | Thanatermesis | actually elive-skel is divided on more packages... |
| 22:18.21 | i3dmaster | ok |
| 22:18.27 | Thanatermesis | apt-cache depends elive-skel |
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| 22:20.29 | i3dmaster | ok, its on elskconf-elive |
| 22:22.03 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, can I have the source of elskconf-elive, cause I want to customize it to include all the eap and .order changes that i made for internal usage and repack it to our internal repo |
| 22:22.31 | Thanatermesis | mmmh |
| 22:22.36 | Thanatermesis | install the package "make-deb" |
| 22:22.56 | Thanatermesis | and launch it without options ;) |
| 22:23.43 | pale_horse | http://art.archlinux.org/main.php?g2_view=core:DownloadItem&g2_itemId=227&g2_serialNumber=1 |
| 22:23.52 | pale_horse | who has that wallpaper ? |
| 22:24.48 | damosu | ein? |
| 22:24.59 | Thanatermesis | pregunta que quien tiene ese wallpaper D |
| 22:25.33 | damosu | yo no |
| 22:25.44 | damosu | tiene buena pinta :P |
| 22:26.54 | wm99 | thana ayer me comentaste que creara /home si es que no lo habia creado cuando hice la instalacio... |
| 22:27.17 | wm99 | mi pregunta es donde se tiene que crear? en el linux partition? |
| 22:29.04 | Thanatermesis | usa la pariticion que quieras para el /home, en la instalacion le dices que lo quieres agregar y le das esa |
| 22:29.13 | roxville | <pale_horse> who has that wallpaper ? ..... |
| 22:30.03 | roxville | :) |
| 22:30.05 | pale_horse | 24 hours and I'll be with my honey :D |
| 22:30.20 | roxville | and gdesklets... haven't seen those on a screenshot in a while... |
| 22:30.34 | roxville | yeah pale_horse that sounds awesome! |
| 22:30.44 | pale_horse | can't wait buddy |
| 22:30.50 | pale_horse | thank you my friend |
| 22:30.55 | roxville | :) |
| 22:31.19 | wm99 | mira en mi laptop tengo lo siguiente winxp ntfs patition /dev/hda1 y mi elive partition es reiserfs /dev/hda2 no creo que pueda crear el /home en el windows partition o si??? O sea que lo tengo que crear en el linux partition, que no? |
| 22:31.20 | roxville | would've been nice if ya had come down here, but... next time maybe :) |
| 22:32.28 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, nice tool! with this I am able to repack for our internal usage. Thanks man! |
| 22:32.40 | i3dmaster | got to go.. you guys have a nice day. |
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