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| 01:44.13 | roxville | pale_horse, pales_rider have a great vaca, ppl! |
| 01:45.22 | pales_rider | ty chris |
| 01:45.30 | pale_horse | thanks CHRIS |
| 01:45.44 | pale_horse | we'll check in now and again |
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| 01:55.14 | roxville | i hope so... or you'll both get a good spanking when you get back... |
| 01:58.27 | pales_rider | hmmm |
| 01:58.57 | pales_rider | no worries...we are going to enjoy |
| 01:59.43 | LinuxNIT | youd better ;) |
| 02:07.30 | pales_rider | ty linuxNIT |
| 02:08.59 | LinuxNIT | :D |
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| 02:10.57 | roxville | hello Elive_user :) |
| 02:10.59 | LinuxNIT | welcome Elive_user |
| 02:11.08 | roxville | welcome to #elive |
| 02:11.16 | roxville | hi LinuxNIT :) |
| 02:11.36 | LinuxNIT | hiya roxville |
| 02:12.54 | pales_rider | see ya..gotta get on the road early |
| 02:13.47 | roxville | ok, sleep tight :) |
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| 02:25.57 | roxville | Liveengineer, hi :) long time, no see :) |
| 02:26.21 | roxville | i thought i recognized the IP... |
| 02:27.00 | Liveengineer | hey roxville..just arrived home from a 3 month tour |
| 02:27.41 | Liveengineer | good to be home to play with toys again |
| 02:28.27 | Liveengineer | how is the elive dev comming on |
| 02:28.59 | roxville | 3 months... in australia? |
| 02:29.36 | roxville | Liveengineer, we have a pretty good 0.5 test out... and the official release is not far off :) |
| 02:30.47 | Liveengineer | around australia with comedian rodney rude...easy audio gig |
| 02:34.41 | roxville | sounds like a pretty nice tour :) |
| 02:34.59 | roxville | lol, rodney rude... i can only imagine... :) |
| 02:36.41 | Liveengineer | pays the bills..leave for melbourne on tuesday, finishes just before christmas |
| 02:36.56 | Liveengineer | rude is the word |
| 02:37.26 | Liveengineer | how is the band |
| 02:37.28 | roxville | hehe |
| 02:37.42 | roxville | i don't have a band... i do solo gigs |
| 02:37.51 | roxville | the band was back in sweden |
| 02:38.22 | Liveengineer | opps sorry ...bad memory |
| 02:38.51 | roxville | i'm finally gonna be able to buy a small...small PA... leaning towards the new 10' active mackie speakers |
| 02:39.42 | Liveengineer | nice choice....compact and active |
| 02:39.45 | roxville | i don't play at very large places here... should be enough... and easier to tote around |
| 02:40.32 | roxville | if you want, download the 0.5 beta and test it |
| 02:40.52 | Liveengineer | love to |
| 02:41.22 | roxville | http://mirror.pacific.net.au/linux/elive/development/ |
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| 02:41.41 | roxville | that should be a nice close mirror :) |
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| 02:44.47 | Liveengineer | cheers roxville nice and fast |
| 02:46.48 | roxville | yeah dude, it's my fav mirror... it's awesome :) |
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| 04:37.36 | Liveengineer | cal |
| 04:38.39 | LinuxNIT | hello |
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| 04:41.07 | Elive_user | hi, I need help! |
| 04:41.20 | Elive_user | :) |
| 04:44.25 | Elive_user | I guess nobody home, ...will prolly need to reinstall shiz! |
| 04:44.34 | LinuxNIT | hey |
| 04:44.38 | Elive_user | hi |
| 04:44.38 | LinuxNIT | Elive_user, im here |
| 04:44.44 | Elive_user | hi |
| 04:44.48 | LinuxNIT | sorry whats up? |
| 04:45.02 | Elive_user | I installed .4.02 |
| 04:45.17 | Elive_user | and did a synaptic update |
| 04:45.34 | Elive_user | not total, but some themes and elive stuff |
| 04:45.55 | Elive_user | and now I try to install a theme and crash |
| 04:46.26 | Elive_user | says the module not working |
| 04:46.34 | Elive_user | or some such error |
| 04:46.43 | LinuxNIT | what theme |
| 04:46.54 | LinuxNIT | and what module |
| 04:46.55 | Elive_user | now I have two panels ( I use 17) |
| 04:47.08 | LinuxNIT | apt doublemodules |
| 04:47.14 | apt | hmm... doublemodules is located here http://elivecd.org/gb/Help/Bugs/ |
| 04:47.14 | Elive_user | everything doubled |
| 04:47.22 | LinuxNIT | there ya go |
| 04:47.23 | LinuxNIT | ;) |
| 04:47.40 | LinuxNIT | that will fix the double modules |
| 04:47.46 | Elive_user | thanks |
| 04:47.49 | LinuxNIT | anytime |
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| 05:30.29 | girlsSmellGood | Hi kids |
| 05:30.47 | girlsSmellGood | is .05 released yet? |
| 05:32.13 | CoochSniffer | wow, deAD in here huh? |
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| 09:02.17 | TuxMeister | hey there/hola a todos |
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| 12:06.14 | roxville | i3dmaster, i have a first BG for ya... it's a little "over the top" maybe... |
| 12:06.17 | roxville | http://roxville.no-ip.org/public_html/Themes_And_Icons/elive-ibm-bg1.jpg |
| 12:06.49 | roxville | but it does look pretty good on the desktop |
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| 12:09.51 | roxville | damn... i hate getting disconnected... |
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| 12:40.10 | roxville | i3dmaster, i have a first BG for ya... it's a little "over the top" maybe.. |
| 12:40.16 | roxville | http://roxville.no-ip.org/public_html/Themes_And_Icons/elive-ibm-bg1.jpg |
| 12:40.23 | roxville | but it does look pretty good on the desktop |
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| 15:22.33 | egrub | apt x en es good morning! |
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| 15:54.44 | Elive_user | Hi |
| 15:55.06 | Elive_user | how can I reload the ibox on E16? |
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| 16:06.30 | odla | hi |
| 16:06.45 | odla | so once elive is installed is it basically debian? |
| 16:08.33 | odla | does the stable release come with e17 or just e16? |
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| 16:42.33 | *** topic/#elive is Official Documentation and FAQ: http://wiki.elivecd.org || Join the Elive community: http://wiki.elivecd.org/community any volonteer for make better this drupal site ? || Check #e #e.fr #e.es #e.de #e.it Enlightenment channels || BUG REPORTS to http://bugs.thanatermesis.org |
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| 17:19.28 | odla | hello? |
| 17:19.36 | odla | anyone home? |
| 17:19.48 | odla | i have 2 quick and i think easy questions |
| 17:29.43 | Bouba | shoot |
| 17:30.25 | pr0t0cod7 | apt netsplit |
| 17:30.28 | apt | i guess netsplit is something that happens when two IRC servers lose their link, thus isolating the users on every side from each other. a normal part of ALL irc networks, despite what some people bitching about larger networks may seem to think, or an orchestra of poips and thwoops, or something which occurs frequently on OPN |
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| 17:47.14 | wm999 | hey guys, just to let you know... i went a head and restore elive-0.4.2 on a pc where I have a win9x partition, a slackware, a elive and a swap partition. |
| 17:47.58 | wm999 | so any how, i went ahead and re-install elive on the elive partition and decided to select the recommended /home partition |
| 17:48.35 | wm999 | elive also recommends the xfc or something rather type partition for the /home partition... |
| 17:48.55 | wm999 | well, it totally screw up my winpx partition!!! |
| 17:49.18 | wm999 | sorry to say but it really, really piss me off!!! |
| 17:50.08 | wm999 | hey thana, wouldn't it be safe to put a warning message when it comes down to recommending the /home partition??? |
| 17:50.16 | wm999 | just my 2 cents... |
| 17:53.08 | wm999 | i'm just really, really glad that i din't try to re-install elive on my laptop.... ;-) |
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| 18:15.48 | i3dmaster | hey Thanatermesis |
| 18:16.45 | Thanatermesis | hi i3dmaster |
| 18:17.02 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, want to report a bug to you |
| 18:17.23 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, this was from an internal user.. he loves it but also reported a bug |
| 18:18.24 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, xconfigurator dose not have 1400x1050 resolution but most of thinkpads after T30 support that resolution, probably other laptops do too, so I'd recommend to add that in |
| 18:18.45 | Thanatermesis | aha... |
| 18:18.49 | Thanatermesis | do you have the modelines ? |
| 18:19.46 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, how to find out... I remember there is cmd isn't it? |
| 18:21.04 | Thanatermesis | well, mmmh, do you have configured it in (your?) laptop ? |
| 18:21.58 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, no mine doesn't show 1400x1050 and I don't think mine can support that high |
| 18:22.15 | Thanatermesis | is this ? http://horstmann.com/linux-thinkpad-t41p.html |
| 18:22.45 | i3dmaster | but is there a cmd to show the modeline for all supported resolutions. |
| 18:23.04 | i3dmaster | no, Im T42 and it only goes to 1024x768 |
| 18:23.40 | jnjb | my x24 1024x768 |
| 18:23.50 | i3dmaster | jnjb, same as mine |
| 18:24.02 | jnjb | but the elive don't run |
| 18:24.23 | jnjb | i3dmaster, it run for you le elivecd |
| 18:25.09 | i3dmaster | jnjb, oh ya |
| 18:26.05 | jnjb | the elive beta run |
| 18:26.14 | jnjb | ? |
| 18:26.33 | i3dmaster | jnjb, yes using elive beta |
| 18:26.44 | i3dmaster | 2006-05-25 |
| 18:26.49 | i3dmaster | beta1 |
| 18:27.04 | jnjb | with xbase or other cdrom drive |
| 18:28.21 | i3dmaster | jnjb, what do you mean? |
| 18:28.26 | Thanatermesis | i3dmaster, you mean this ? http://wiki.x.org/wiki/FAQVideoModes#head-330d2351b130f4d0a77342aaac8d7d158d7824c6 |
| 18:29.31 | jnjb | i have try with the xbase and with my usb dvd drive and i don't arrive to loggin |
| 18:30.45 | Thanatermesis | xbase ? Elive don't use xbase |
| 18:31.29 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, that's a little too manually.. |
| 18:31.36 | i3dmaster | http://zaph.com/Modeline/ |
| 18:31.42 | i3dmaster | a calculater |
| 18:31.51 | jnjb | Thanatermesis, xbase it is the cdrom and floppy drive for thinkpads |
| 18:32.57 | Thanatermesis | ah, xbase = hardware? |
| 18:33.02 | Thanatermesis | what exact problem on the login ? |
| 18:33.48 | jnjb | the prob it whith my thinkpad i dont see the loggin of elive |
| 18:35.24 | i3dmaster | http://umc.sourceforge.net/. |
| 18:35.32 | Thanatermesis | i3dmaster, http://pastebin.ca/95018 |
| 18:35.34 | i3dmaster | a tool to cal modeline |
| 18:36.08 | Thanatermesis | i3dmaster, well, but we needs also the frequecies/refreshes... and a tester |
| 18:36.23 | Thanatermesis | this... or found on google a X config for this machine |
| 18:36.34 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, the reporter can be the tester |
| 18:36.38 | Thanatermesis | jnjb, you enter on entrance ? |
| 18:36.49 | Thanatermesis | i3dmaster, yes... who is the reporter ? |
| 18:36.59 | i3dmaster | Thanaterm, one of our employees |
| 18:37.05 | Thanatermesis | ok |
| 18:37.12 | Thanatermesis | say to try this, then: ModeLine "1400x1050" 189.65 1400 1464 1784 1912 1050 1052 1064 1090 #91Hz |
| 18:37.50 | Thanatermesis | mmh, and this also, i3dmaster, but we need to choice one of this 4: http://pastebin.ca/95018 |
| 18:39.03 | i3dmaster | ok, I have an idea. we make a cust xconfigurator file and I will send over to him. In this xconfigurator file, we include all of the possibilities, so that he can choice it. |
| 18:39.07 | i3dmaster | choose it |
| 18:39.31 | i3dmaster | i3dmaster, well I have vmware and I can just try on my vm box |
| 18:40.19 | i3dmaster | i3dmaster, hmm... probably still have to send over to him cause the monitor is diff so the frequencies/refreshes are diff too |
| 18:40.31 | Thanatermesis | vmware ? mmmh..i don't think to this is what we need to test |
| 18:40.48 | Thanatermesis | a configuration of the graphic card on vmware, SET the graphic card OF vmware, no the real hardware |
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| 18:41.02 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, vmware uses vesa driver and the host monitor ratio, |
| 18:41.07 | Thanatermesis | vmware "projects" the final image on your "normal" X with your configurationb |
| 18:41.46 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, well I will send to the reporter to test on a thinkpad laptop |
| 18:42.02 | Thanatermesis | ok |
| 18:42.13 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, I can modify the code if you want |
| 18:42.38 | Thanatermesis | ok, if you like |
| 18:43.11 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, ok. when he replies, I will send the code back to you with the one that works |
| 18:43.35 | Thanatermesis | perfect :) |
| 18:48.32 | Thanatermesis | apt, time-to |
| 18:48.33 | apt | [time-to] its HAMBRITA TIME!!! |
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| 19:04.11 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, ok do you have the code around you? |
| 19:04.37 | Thanatermesis | xconfigurator ? |
| 19:05.01 | i3dmaster | Im looking at it and bascially, you have 1-14 choices but 1-15 actions... |
| 19:05.02 | i3dmaster | ya |
| 19:05.47 | Thanatermesis | http://thanatermesis.org/users/i3dmaster |
| 19:07.04 | i3dmaster | ok, on the actionresolution() and selectresolutionconsole(), the numbers are mismatched |
| 19:08.18 | roxville | he went to take a shower... lol |
| 19:08.25 | roxville | he'll bbiab :) |
| 19:08.36 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, haha... well found the error |
| 19:08.57 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, you had 12-13-12-14... |
| 19:10.15 | i3dmaster | I will go ahead to check it |
| 19:10.19 | i3dmaster | change it |
| 19:14.15 | Thanatermesis | yay! :S |
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| 19:18.08 | i3dmaster | the selectresolution() part, you got 14 choice again, seems like missing 1920x1200... any reason? |
| 19:19.27 | roxville | yeah, we don't wanna support ppl who can have a res like that... |
| 19:19.48 | roxville | damn, that's a high res... |
| 19:20.45 | i3dmaster | roxville, nowadays, that's often being seen.. one of my friend had a 24" |
| 19:21.00 | Thanatermesis | ok... xconfigurator fixed |
| 19:21.02 | Thanatermesis | download it again |
| 19:21.21 | roxville | wow... they should be shot! unless they give me one, of course :) |
| 19:21.32 | roxville | i3dmaster, did you see the bg?... |
| 19:21.52 | roxville | i'm already working on the next one... |
| 19:22.24 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, ya, that's better.. :_ |
| 19:22.27 | i3dmaster | :) |
| 19:22.46 | i3dmaster | roxville, no |
| 19:23.04 | i3dmaster | roxville, my friend is a *big* fan of WoW.. |
| 19:24.05 | roxville | http://roxville.no-ip.org/public_html/Themes_And_Icons/elive-ibm-bg1.jpg i3dmaster |
| 19:24.27 | i3dmaster | ok |
| 19:24.55 | i3dmaster | woow... |
| 19:25.10 | i3dmaster | that's for gui back or bootsplash? |
| 19:25.38 | roxville | desktop background |
| 19:25.58 | roxville | a bootsplash needs specific colors, i think... i gotta find out what |
| 19:26.51 | i3dmaster | roxville, ok i see.. I will put in on my desktop and try for a day or two and let you my feelings |
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| 19:27.24 | roxville | thank you... i have it on mine now... and... it's not bad... |
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| 19:27.42 | roxville | a little too much, perhaps... :) |
| 19:27.57 | i3dmaster | roxville, awesome! ya, its nice no doubt |
| 19:28.13 | i3dmaster | roxville, do you use transparent terminal? |
| 19:28.32 | roxville | yes |
| 19:29.18 | roxville | so i use elpanels background manager to set the root window transparency to the same image as the background... and it's sooo nice |
| 19:29.24 | i3dmaster | roxville, ok.. hmmm... just tried it. I feel the color is little bit aggrassive. |
| 19:29.55 | i3dmaster | but I will save it and upload to our repo. |
| 19:30.11 | roxville | yeah... like i said, i'm already working on a new one, so... hang on... |
| 19:30.23 | i3dmaster | we can make several choice and pick one as the default, then ppl can download more from the repo |
| 19:30.40 | roxville | do you prefer flat vecor-graphics or more"depth"? |
| 19:30.46 | i3dmaster | roxville, great. You are definitely an artist |
| 19:31.14 | i3dmaster | roxville, man you are talking foreign language to me.. |
| 19:31.41 | roxville | lol... nah... but i like it when i get it right... which is one time out of a hunderd, approximately... |
| 19:31.51 | felix | roxville: what's a "vecor-graphics"? |
| 19:31.58 | roxville | ask thana how many BG's i have tormented him with :D |
| 19:32.05 | i3dmaster | my personal feeling the background should probably less affect the display of the transparent terminal |
| 19:32.52 | roxville | felix, vector grapohics are made it... inkscape, adobe illustrator, xara extreme... |
| 19:33.18 | roxville | they have a certain "look", usually... |
| 19:33.50 | roxville | i3dmaster, ok... i want ti to looks as transparent as possible |
| 19:38.21 | felix | roxville: I know about "veCtor" |
| 19:38.25 | felix | <roxville:#elive> do you prefer flat vecor-graphics or more"depth"? |
| 19:38.33 | felix | what's a "vecor"? |
| 19:38.36 | felix | ;-) |
| 19:40.39 | i3dmaster | so I normally avoid to put very distiguished color on the back. but ppl have different feeling. some might like. so just go ahead to use your imagination. choice is up to the users. |
| 19:41.26 | i3dmaster | we just need to pick one as the default at the end |
| 19:42.10 | roxville | yeah |
| 19:42.44 | roxville | all i can do, is go with what my imagination/inspiration tells me to do... sometimes... that's not a lot... |
| 19:42.55 | roxville | :D |
| 19:43.42 | i3dmaster | ya I know... but you've got more than the others :) that's a gift |
| 19:44.31 | roxville | hehe, thx :) |
| 19:44.50 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, by looking at the xconfigurator, seems like all 4:3 resolutions are all not having modelines |
| 19:44.54 | i3dmaster | only those widescreen res. |
| 19:45.24 | Thanatermesis | aparently yes.... only the "special" resolutions needs actually modelines |
| 19:45.25 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, 1400x1050 is 4:3, so should we make it harder? |
| 19:45.55 | Thanatermesis | hum, its 4:3 ? well... say to your friend then to try also without modelines ;) |
| 19:46.00 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, maybe I can just add a choice there and mod the action without feeding the modeline, that would probably do the trick I guess |
| 19:46.05 | Thanatermesis | and look what happens |
| 19:46.14 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, yep. that's what I thought |
| 19:50.39 | Thanatermesis | i3dmaster, what you have think when you have look the video (multi-videos) on Elive menus ? |
| 19:53.14 | i3dmaster | Thanaterm, they are very nice. the IBM one is really cool. I saw that one before |
| 19:54.03 | i3dmaster | Thanaterm, I know the old man |
| 19:54.43 | Thanatermesis | the old man ? mmmh... |
| 19:54.59 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, the first man talks to linux |
| 19:55.53 | Thanatermesis | mmh, give me a minute |
| 19:57.47 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, another thing. when using xconfigurator on GUI w/o argument "resolution", I seem to be able to only just change one thing at a time. |
| 19:58.35 | Thanatermesis | yes |
| 19:58.36 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, for instance, I change resolution then it exits, if I want to change depth, I got to launch that again. |
| 19:58.43 | Thanatermesis | aha |
| 19:58.47 | Thanatermesis | same to backgrounds-manager, yes ? |
| 19:59.58 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, ya believe so. I like eliveinstaller-ng, which return back to the previous menu. its better |
| 20:00.18 | i3dmaster | and it follows the logic |
| 20:00.40 | Thanatermesis | yes, sometimes a little hard to implement but better, yes |
| 20:00.42 | Thanatermesis | i try to make a look |
| 20:01.00 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, understand... got to make a loop |
| 20:01.18 | Thanatermesis | yes |
| 20:05.00 | Thanatermesis | yes.. the old man |
| 20:05.21 | Thanatermesis | i have used a little secuence of this video when he appears for a little test of cinelerra |
| 20:05.33 | Thanatermesis | let me a second, i upload it |
| 20:05.57 | i3dmaster | ok |
| 20:08.47 | i3dmaster | hey roxville, just so let you know that some of our folks want to make a gdm theme for the liveCD.. (well of course its not going to be useful at this moment, but we can save them for the future)... can I show them your artwork so that they might be able to work based your pics? |
| 20:09.40 | i3dmaster | if you feel that gdm bg will be different than normal bg, will you be able to make one or two? |
| 20:10.08 | roxville | of course... just don't know what would be useful... better to use the default elive bg's maybe?... i have no idea |
| 20:10.43 | roxville | well i have never made a gdm theme... so i have no idea :) |
| 20:10.51 | roxville | but sure! |
| 20:10.56 | Thanatermesis | gdm because the remote stuff ? |
| 20:11.44 | Thanatermesis | aparently very persons change entrance by gdm.. i think to its because a remote desktop stuff... im not sure what exactly |
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| 20:14.24 | i3dmaster | roxville, ya, gdm theme is just a package contains gdm backgrounds, object modules like the buttons.. so you should absolutely be able to make some very nice roxville style gdm themes. |
| 20:15.39 | roxville | shit... ok :) |
| 20:16.08 | roxville | i3dmaster, i can't promise anything... but i promise i will look into it... ok? |
| 20:22.11 | Thanatermesis | i3dmaster, make a look to the 2ยบ video, the "green", is just a fast video try to i have made with cinelerra |
| 20:22.46 | Thanatermesis | mmmh.. slow server :/ |
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| 21:00.46 | unduality | Hi roxville ! |
| 21:01.08 | unduality | ...and the rest of u guys as well! |
| 21:01.33 | LinuxNIT-I | hiya unduality |
| 21:02.54 | unduality | Hi LinuxNIT-I hows life? |
| 21:03.09 | LinuxNIT-I | pretty good |
| 21:03.10 | LinuxNIT-I | and you? |
| 21:03.47 | unduality | Really well, i just finished work and can now enjoy cofee and elive! |
| 21:04.15 | LinuxNIT-I | hehe |
| 21:04.17 | LinuxNIT-I | cool |
| 21:04.35 | unduality | I reported a bug before to thana, do you know about the problem with cdparanoia and cdda2wav ? |
| 21:05.03 | LinuxNIT-I | nope |
| 21:05.58 | unduality | To rip a audiocd in elive takes 80 minutes in my old debian install 10 min. |
| 21:06.11 | LinuxNIT-I | wow |
| 21:06.16 | LinuxNIT-I | that sucks |
| 21:06.58 | unduality | Really sucks, and this is the case for all eliveusers so it got nothing to do with my hardware.. |
| 21:07.59 | LinuxNIT-I | not for me |
| 21:08.09 | LinuxNIT-I | but i dont rip cds either so..... |
| 21:08.12 | LinuxNIT-I | hehe |
| 21:09.06 | unduality | (I rip like 5 cd every day from the local library, and it is with shame and suffering i have to do it in windoze) |
| 21:09.09 | odla | when elive is installed is it essentially debian? |
| 21:09.30 | LinuxNIT-I | it is debian+some extras |
| 21:09.38 | unduality | odla, yepp but even betther ;) |
| 21:09.43 | LinuxNIT-I | it has full debian repositories |
| 21:09.57 | odla | ok cool |
| 21:10.01 | LinuxNIT-I | plus an extra repository |
| 21:10.03 | odla | i think i'll give it a shot then |
| 21:10.09 | LinuxNIT-I | :D |
| 21:10.09 | unduality | brb |
| 21:10.17 | LinuxNIT-I | odla, did you download yet? |
| 21:10.22 | odla | yup |
| 21:10.38 | odla | i love debian and e17 |
| 21:10.39 | LinuxNIT-I | what version? |
| 21:10.42 | odla | stable |
| 21:10.47 | odla | should i d/l development? |
| 21:11.23 | LinuxNIT-I | most people find it better |
| 21:11.30 | odla | is it pretty stable? |
| 21:11.55 | LinuxNIT-I | i ran the alpha verion for a couple months |
| 21:11.58 | LinuxNIT-I | no problems |
| 21:12.04 | LinuxNIT-I | beta is now out |
| 21:12.05 | LinuxNIT-I | :D |
| 21:12.13 | LinuxNIT-I | beta2 is about to be released |
| 21:12.37 | odla | where's the link for beta? |
| 21:12.50 | LinuxNIT-I | click on development |
| 21:12.55 | LinuxNIT-I | and go to the bottom of the page |
| 21:15.06 | odla | i don't see the beta release is it just a cvs release? |
| 21:15.12 | LinuxNIT-I | yes |
| 21:16.16 | odla | for 20060526? |
| 21:16.18 | odla | from? |
| 21:16.29 | LinuxNIT-I | yeah |
| 21:16.37 | LinuxNIT-I | till like next week some time :D |
| 21:16.44 | LinuxNIT-I | theoretically |
| 21:17.07 | unduality | odla, the beta is great. But you should know one thing... After install mplayer do not work untill you change the videocarddriver in preferences. |
| 21:17.24 | unduality | Is fixed in 2 seconds |
| 21:17.24 | LinuxNIT-I | really? |
| 21:17.27 | LinuxNIT-I | lol |
| 21:17.30 | LinuxNIT-I | :D |
| 21:18.13 | unduality | Yeah it is because in is configured for thanas matrox card :) |
| 21:18.46 | LinuxNIT-I | lol |
| 21:18.58 | unduality | Hmm i got a question LinuxNIT-I ... Hold on... |
| 21:19.01 | odla | to reconfigure x all i would need to do is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg? |
| 21:19.05 | LinuxNIT-I | k |
| 21:19.09 | LinuxNIT-I | yes |
| 21:19.18 | LinuxNIT-I | but you dont need to for what hes toalking about |
| 21:19.29 | LinuxNIT-I | what hes talking about is just for mplayer |
| 21:19.35 | LinuxNIT-I | its in the mplayer prefs |
| 21:19.57 | odla | no i always have X issues with debian |
| 21:20.07 | odla | it doesn't configure my refresh rates correctly |
| 21:21.33 | LinuxNIT-I | oh |
| 21:21.37 | LinuxNIT-I | that sucks |
| 21:21.44 | odla | it's super easy to fix |
| 21:21.49 | odla | takes 20 seconds |
| 21:21.52 | LinuxNIT-I | maybe elive will get it right |
| 21:21.54 | LinuxNIT-I | :D |
| 21:22.02 | unduality | LinuxNIT-I, take a look here if you got the time : http://pastebin.ca/95259 |
| 21:22.14 | unduality | Many packages are held back.. |
| 21:22.45 | LinuxNIT-I | and? |
| 21:23.19 | unduality | Why are so many packages held back? |
| 21:23.22 | LinuxNIT-I | package get held back all the time |
| 21:23.43 | LinuxNIT-I | i dunno maybe many programs are dependant on a older verions |
| 21:23.51 | LinuxNIT-I | just a guess though i dont really know |
| 21:23.56 | unduality | Ok |
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| 21:24.53 | roxville | yes, packages get held back when the deps are not matching the installed version |
| 21:25.07 | LinuxNIT-I | yay i got it right i got it right |
| 21:25.11 | LinuxNIT-I | howdy roxville |
| 21:25.28 | unduality | Hi rox! |
| 21:26.31 | unduality | LinuxNIT, do you got any experience with wine? Do u know how to make a program in wine acces cdrom? |
| 21:26.39 | unduality | *access |
| 21:27.06 | LinuxNIT-I | some experiance with wine yes |
| 21:27.12 | LinuxNIT-I | never accessed a cd tho |
| 21:27.37 | LinuxNIT-I | checking pkg-config is at least version 0.9.0... yes |
| 21:27.37 | LinuxNIT-I | checking for XT... configure: error: Package requirements (sm x11 xproto kbproto) were not met: |
| 21:27.37 | LinuxNIT-I | No package 'x11' found |
| 21:27.37 | LinuxNIT-I | No package 'kbproto' found |
| 21:28.05 | LinuxNIT-I | oops |
| 21:28.07 | LinuxNIT-I | sorry |
| 21:28.10 | LinuxNIT-I | wrong window |
| 21:28.11 | LinuxNIT-I | lol |
| 21:28.37 | unduality | LinuxNIT-I, There should be a wine config file in the user dir but it isnt... |
| 21:29.00 | LinuxNIT-I | is there one in .wine? |
| 21:29.02 | unduality | lol i did the same yesterday flooded a whole screen |
| 21:29.17 | unduality | No |
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| 21:30.08 | LinuxNIT-I | is there a .wine? |
| 21:30.12 | LinuxNIT-I | lol |
| 21:31.03 | unduality | Yes it is but no config file there |
| 21:31.58 | unduality | LinuxNIT-I, Do you got one? |
| 21:32.06 | LinuxNIT-I | nope |
| 21:32.15 | LinuxNIT-I | winecfg? |
| 21:33.53 | unduality | winecfg is not in elive because the wine-utils packages were missing but i installed that and then got winecfg. The problem is that i do not seem like winecfg seems to create any configfile. |
| 21:34.26 | LinuxNIT-I | you could install wine from the wine reop |
| 21:34.36 | LinuxNIT-I | the have a debian repo for wine |
| 21:34.45 | LinuxNIT-I | its got newer versions than debian |
| 21:35.14 | unduality | Do you think that would solve it? Why? |
| 21:35.35 | LinuxNIT-I | i dunno but thats what the wine people reccomend when using wine |
| 21:35.40 | LinuxNIT-I | is to use the latest |
| 21:36.37 | unduality | Hmm.. I found this on the web.. A sample configuration file is distributed as documentation/samples/config in the Wine source distribution. |
| 21:36.37 | unduality | FILES |
| 21:36.37 | unduality | ~/.wine/config |
| 21:36.40 | unduality | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:37.31 | unduality | Maybe i should just create a configfile out of the sample... |
| 21:37.44 | LinuxNIT-I | could try that |
| 21:37.51 | unduality | brb |
| 21:40.34 | unduality | Hmm.. Im not alone with this problem... http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/wine/27460-config.html I wonder if all eliveusers are in the same boat... |
| 21:43.39 | LinuxNIT-I | ill check later about the cd thing |
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| 21:49.34 | bentejuy | hi all! |
| 21:49.48 | LinuxNIT-I | hiya bentejuy |
| 21:50.02 | bentejuy | :) |
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| 21:53.32 | TuxMeister | hey there |
| 21:54.08 | LinuxNIT-I | heya TuxMeister |
| 21:59.58 | Thanatermesis | o/ TuxMeister |
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| 22:16.02 | Elive_user2 | espenh |
| 22:25.13 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, roxville, the liveCD is getting way hotter than I was expecting... |
| 22:25.25 | i3dmaster | sorry guys not replying for quite a while |
| 22:25.44 | Thanatermesis | hotter ? this is good or bad ? lol |
| 22:26.00 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, of course good. ppl are getting involved |
| 22:26.08 | Thanatermesis | ah, perfect then :) |
| 22:26.11 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, two things found |
| 22:26.33 | Thanatermesis | btw i3dmaster... when you install a Elive, install a separed /home partition ;) (new feature on the installer) |
| 22:27.01 | i3dmaster | in sudoers, the user should be eliveuser not elive. and can you consider add eliveuser to the fuse group? |
| 22:27.20 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, I will add on the internal liveCD |
| 22:28.27 | Thanatermesis | mmh.. true, the username has changed |
| 22:28.37 | i3dmaster | if you decide to add on elive, then I don't need to worry about upgrading problem. |
| 22:28.41 | Thanatermesis | fuse ? for example for.. ? |
| 22:29.19 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, the kenerl has fuse module enabled (actually compiled in kernel), so only thing need is the fuse group added to the user. |
| 22:29.29 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, oh its very useful. |
| 22:29.46 | i3dmaster | like gmailfs, ntfs, etc.. they are all depend on fuse |
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| 22:30.23 | i3dmaster | also, another request is the sshfs modules. |
| 22:30.32 | i3dmaster | which is very useful too. |
| 22:31.27 | i3dmaster | in order to keep match with your release, I will not touch the kernel, but I am thinking about a workaround is to dynamically load modules by dpkg -i them while bootup and depmod -a |
| 22:31.52 | Thanatermesis | mmmh, its fuse on the groups list on the liveCD ? |
| 22:32.21 | Thanatermesis | apt, sshfs |
| 22:33.40 | Thanatermesis | sshfs! similar to NFS but in ssh ? mmmh.. very interessant |
| 22:33.45 | Thanatermesis | btw, NFS not has a encription mode ? |
| 22:35.35 | i3dmaster | ya, sshfs use ssh as the proto to communicate with remote filesystem and establish the connection via ssh channel. it can be consider an encrypted nfs.. |
| 22:35.52 | Thanatermesis | its a module for kernel, yes ? |
| 22:36.11 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, don't think nfs has such option |
| 22:36.20 | i3dmaster | yes, I believe so |
| 22:38.14 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, sorry I am wrong. |
| 22:38.39 | i3dmaster | sshfs doesn't need kernel module support. its pure userspace app |
| 22:38.50 | Thanatermesis | aha |
| 22:38.53 | i3dmaster | that's really nice! |
| 22:39.04 | Thanatermesis | well, more easy, yes :) |
| 22:39.36 | Thanatermesis | about the fuse... well,. the group fuse not exist on Elive |
| 22:39.48 | i3dmaster | really.. |
| 22:39.56 | i3dmaster | hold on.. |
| 22:40.26 | Thanatermesis | hey! we have sshfs on Debian :) |
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| 22:40.31 | i3dmaster | ya |
| 22:40.38 | i3dmaster | I saw I have fuse |
| 22:40.43 | i3dmaster | fuse:x:112 |
| 22:40.47 | i3dmaster | in group file |
| 22:41.11 | Thanatermesis | creating fuse group... |
| 22:41.14 | Thanatermesis | fuse-utils package |
| 22:41.21 | Thanatermesis | ok.. i add it on Elive and also the user to the group |
| 22:41.51 | Thanatermesis | sshfs also.. is small |
| 22:41.52 | i3dmaster | oh so the orig Elive doesn't have fuse-utils pkgs, is that what you find out? |
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| 22:42.01 | i3dmaster | yes, very small neat tools |
| 22:42.07 | Thanatermesis | exact, i have just installed it |
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| 22:43.05 | i3dmaster | ok... ya, I guess I've way above the orig version now. I've done 10 times dist-upgrades from the orig release I guess just try to keep updated. |
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| 22:44.48 | Thanatermesis | ok, ready for the next release :) |
| 22:46.05 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, ok several more apps to consider. tree - a 94k directory list tool. pinentry-gtk2 - a gui gpg-agent, enigmail - thunderbird gpg client, gnupg-agent. |
| 22:46.15 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, they are all small pkgs |
| 22:47.31 | Thanatermesis | mmh, do you have look "gpa" ? |
| 22:49.59 | Thanatermesis | what is exactly pinentry-gtk2 ? |
| 22:50.08 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, no I didn't. |
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| 22:50.24 | Thanatermesis | make a look to "gpa" then, is added on Elive |
| 22:50.54 | Thanatermesis | about enigmail, yes, is added |
| 22:51.07 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, its a gpg-agent GUI, when asking for gpg passphrase |
| 22:51.18 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, ok |
| 22:52.52 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, I guess they serves different thing. gpa is a kinda key management tool but pinentry-gtk2 is a GUI passphrase entering tool like gksu.. |
| 22:52.56 | i3dmaster | for sudo.. |
| 22:53.49 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, I just give you some ideas, you make decision if you want to add it or not.. don't have to add what I suggested cause you just got a CD size |
| 22:54.27 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, I am targeting DVD with all our internal tools |
| 22:54.45 | i3dmaster | so, I got a *lot* more space than you do |
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| 22:55.33 | Thanatermesis | mmmh... how to works pinentry ? is in commandline only ? it don't shows any thing on me |
| 22:56.03 | Thanatermesis | yes, the CD size is the only problem |
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| 22:57.42 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, the guy told me some email clients use it |
| 22:58.13 | Thanatermesis | and thunderbird ? |
| 22:58.27 | Thanatermesis | mmh, what changes to have this, if is used enigmail ? |
| 22:58.40 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, I guess you can leave this one along cause the major clients don't use this. thunderbird uses enigmail and evolution works out-of-box |
| 22:59.23 | Thanatermesis | yes, ok |
| 23:00.15 | i3dmaster | ya, with enigmail, thunderbird uses should be happy now. |
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| 23:23.05 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, ok just figured out... how to use this GUI gpg passphrase thing |
| 23:23.38 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, really not big deal but here is what I did. go to your .gnupg dir, edit gpg.conf file, enable use-agent. |
| 23:25.19 | i3dmaster | then /usr/bin/gpg-agent --daemon --sh (actaully its from the /etc/X11/Xsession.d/90gpg-agent), after launch this. you can try something like gpg -ce file and it will pop a screen ask for your passphrase. |
| 23:25.44 | Thanatermesis | hum |
| 23:26.04 | Thanatermesis | well... with GPA you can sign or crypt files also |
| 23:27.10 | pale_horse | gpa is kinda the standard front end to gpg |
| 23:28.03 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, right. like I said gpa seems more lika a management client instead of just a passphrase agent |
| 23:28.32 | Thanatermesis | apt, gpa |
| 23:28.40 | Thanatermesis | apt, ping |
| 23:28.41 | apt | pong |
| 23:28.52 | Thanatermesis | this bot don't knows anything... only bad words |
| 23:34.10 | i3dmaster | Thanatermesis, hehe... |
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| 23:35.38 | adamant1988 | so there I was, drunk |
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| 23:41.38 | Thanatermesis | apt, give adamant1988 a beer |
| 23:41.40 | apt | ACTION hands adamant1988 a cold beer |
| 23:42.31 | adamant1988 | Thanatermesis: how long until the next iso is realeased |
| 23:42.38 | Thanatermesis | hehe |
| 23:43.12 | Thanatermesis | well.. i don't know... im trying to clean my TODO list but this last day's are grow'ing |
| 23:43.34 | adamant1988 | lol just let me know |
| 23:43.54 | Thanatermesis | oh... |
| 23:44.08 | Thanatermesis | make a look here, adamant1988 http://elivecd.org/gb/infomail |
| 23:45.25 | Thanatermesis | apt, subscription is If you like to subscribe to Elive News (specially for are informed about releases), make a look to http://elivecd.org/gb/infomail , http://elivecd.org/es/infomail or http://elivecd.org/fr/infomail , depends of your language |
| 23:45.26 | apt | Thanatermesis: okay |
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| 23:50.40 | bassie | hey all running pure debian etch at the moment but i love elive |
