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| 00:43.24 | andy__ | hey all! how long has the site been down? |
| 00:45.56 | hermit2 | couple weeks maybe more |
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| 00:57.41 | Leprehaun | hello everyone :) |
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| 01:04.10 | hermit2 | Hi all. I have some questions about the new version of e17. What is the full path name for themes? and How do I get the clock and weather modules to work? |
| 01:04.34 | elmo40 | modules... right click. in the menu somewhere ;) |
| 01:06.46 | hermit2 | can't findd that in the menu any more |
| 01:19.22 | Leprehaun | stupid ? if i follow the upgrade instructions for the new desktop if im inside the windows manager will that not break the install |
| 01:19.56 | hermit2 | no |
| 01:21.32 | Leprehaun | can someone give me a link for im on my friends pc he gave me a disk and i installed but his desktop dosent look anything like what iv got installed |
| 01:22.19 | hermit2 | a link to what? |
| 01:22.34 | Leprehaun | for upgrading to the new desktop |
| 01:23.02 | hermit2 | http://elivedev.org/?q=node/9 |
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| 01:23.42 | hermit2 | the upgrade is very different from the old one |
| 01:23.51 | Leprehaun | ty .. 0.6.1 is the latest cd isint it ? |
| 01:24.06 | Leprehaun | is that going to be th same desktop ? |
| 01:24.08 | hermit2 | yes |
| 01:24.14 | hermit2 | no |
| 01:24.49 | hermit2 | the same but updated to the testing version |
| 01:25.03 | Leprehaun | ok ... what diferences are there ? is it worth while upgrading |
| 01:25.18 | Leprehaun | is there any screen shots |
| 01:25.30 | hermit2 | well, I'm still figureing that out myself |
| 01:25.41 | Leprehaun | ok lol |
| 01:26.06 | Leprehaun | iv got that page thanks for your help |
| 01:26.14 | hermit2 | ok |
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| 01:40.07 | elmo40 | LinuxNIT: moo |
| 01:41.19 | elmo40 | there is a grammatical error in your help for eap |
| 01:41.49 | hermit2 | is there a problem with broken links after updateing to e17 testing? |
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| 01:45.50 | LinuxNIT | hey elmo40 |
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| 01:49.27 | LinuxNIT | hermit2, links to what? |
| 01:49.49 | hermit2 | to files |
| 01:50.44 | LinuxNIT | not that im aware of |
| 01:50.55 | hermit2 | like, it can't find the path to open eletaire, or to install themes, |
| 01:50.59 | LinuxNIT | the only problem i know of is entrance loging you out |
| 01:51.03 | |aSa| | Does anybody know to search in aptitude for exact match of a package name name? |
| 01:51.11 | hermit2 | haven't had that happen |
| 01:51.29 | LinuxNIT | apt-cache search --names-only pcakge-name |
| 01:51.42 | |aSa| | in aptitude |
| 01:51.43 | LinuxNIT | i know not technically aptitude but close enough |
| 01:51.52 | LinuxNIT | they have the same pacages |
| 01:52.28 | LinuxNIT | hermit2, eletaire might have been removed im not sure... check syanaptic |
| 01:53.47 | hermit2 | hmm, odd, its listed in the menu, but nothing happens when you click it. and calling it from terminal says something like it can't use the lib something or nother |
| 01:54.04 | LinuxNIT | what lib? |
| 01:56.22 | hermit2 | error while loading shared libraries: libewl.so.): cannot open shared object file: no such file or directory |
| 01:57.05 | hermit2 | that ')' should be a 0 |
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| 01:57.46 | LinuxNIT | hermit2, well if you look in /usr/lib ther is no libewl.so.0 |
| 01:57.59 | LinuxNIT | however the libewl files that are there all have the same md5sum |
| 01:58.16 | LinuxNIT | so you might beable to just create a symlink to one of those |
| 01:58.47 | LinuxNIT | yeah they are all sym links to libewl.so.1.0.0 anyway |
| 02:01.19 | hermit2 | hmm.. |
| 02:01.25 | LinuxNIT | |aSa|, did you find what youre looking for? |
| 02:01.38 | LinuxNIT | hermit2, do you know how to create a symlink? |
| 02:02.10 | hermit2 | not really but getting elitaire to work wasn't my main goal anyway |
| 02:02.21 | LinuxNIT | ok |
| 02:02.46 | hermit2 | initially I was trying to insatll a theme but didn't know the full path to send it. |
| 02:02.51 | LinuxNIT | ln -s /usr/lib/libewl.so.1.0.0 /usr/lib/libewl.so.0 |
| 02:03.37 | |aSa| | LinuxNIT: No. My question is about about aptitude build in search, not about how to use command line tools. |
| 02:03.40 | LinuxNIT | themes go in .e/e/themes |
| 02:03.56 | hermit2 | it tells me it doesn't exist |
| 02:04.34 | LinuxNIT | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:04.48 | hermit2 | no, .e/e/themes |
| 02:05.00 | LinuxNIT | in your home directory |
| 02:05.52 | LinuxNIT | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:06.16 | LinuxNIT | or you can install it globally in /usr/share/enlightenment/data/themes |
| 02:08.00 | LinuxNIT | hermit2, if /home/username/.e/e/themes doesnt exist you can create it. |
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| 02:09.07 | hermit2 | how? and if I do that will it show up in the theme menu |
| 02:09.15 | LinuxNIT | it should |
| 02:09.34 | LinuxNIT | mkdir ~/.e/e/themes |
| 02:09.37 | LinuxNIT | or do it in thunar |
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| 02:12.28 | hermit2 | ok, I am confused now... if I try to mv the file to .e/e/themes it says it doesn't exist. now I try to make it and it says it does exist |
| 02:13.25 | LinuxNIT | you must have a slight variation in what youre typing |
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| 02:13.39 | LinuxNIT | try it through thunar |
| 02:15.11 | |aSa| | LinuxNIT: Found it. Seems aptitude uses regexp based syntax for searches, so ^name$ can be used to find exact match of a name. |
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| 02:16.22 | LinuxNIT | ok |
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| 02:17.41 | hermit2 | ok, got thunar to show hidden files and it is there. so what is wrong with my typing? |
| 02:18.01 | LinuxNIT | copy and paste your terminal output and ill look at it |
| 02:18.06 | hermit2 | lol... sometimes I feel like such an idiot |
| 02:18.08 | LinuxNIT | pastebin.ca |
| 02:18.26 | LinuxNIT | hermit2, dont worry youre not the only one to have this trouble ;) |
| 02:20.40 | LinuxNIT | to copy and paste.... highlight the text then use a middle click to paste it ;) |
| 02:27.51 | hermit2 | ok |
| 02:28.26 | LinuxNIT | give me the link once you get it in pastebinc.a |
| 02:28.36 | LinuxNIT | *pastebin.ca |
| 02:28.51 | hermit2 | http://pastebin.ca/342104 |
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| 02:29.41 | elmo40 | ~/.e/e/themes |
| 02:29.53 | elmo40 | dont you need the / between ~ and .e ? |
| 02:30.02 | elmo40 | not ~.e/e/themes |
| 02:30.22 | LinuxNIT | yep |
| 02:30.31 | LinuxNIT | hermit2, do you see the difference? |
| 02:30.34 | elmo40 | when you hit ~, press [Tab] to complete it properly ;) |
| 02:31.18 | hermit2 | tab will add the / where it belongs? |
| 02:32.21 | LinuxNIT | tab autocomplets file paths from what it sees is available |
| 02:32.25 | hermit2 | yay... I think that worked |
| 02:32.35 | LinuxNIT | it knows that ~ == /home/yourusername |
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| 02:32.58 | hermit2 | I will get the hang of this yet. :) |
| 02:33.01 | LinuxNIT | it will also autocomplete program names |
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| 02:33.25 | LinuxNIT | if it fails to complete on the first press... then press it again and it will tell you the available options |
| 02:33.48 | elmo40 | i cant live withough tab-completion!! |
| 02:33.49 | hermit2 | good to know. Thanks |
| 02:34.21 | elmo40 | with MEPIS, i could apt-g[Tab] i[Tab] and get apt-get install ;) |
| 02:34.29 | hermit2 | ok. next problem... how do I get these modules to work in the test version |
| 02:34.38 | elmo40 | with other distros, it will only tab complete the first one :/ |
| 02:35.02 | LinuxNIT | what module? |
| 02:35.19 | hermit2 | I have only tried ubuntu briefly and pclos I set up for the kids to use. |
| 02:36.01 | LinuxNIT | i believe you have to install the modules individually from tests... look in synaptic |
| 02:36.05 | hermit2 | umm.. the clock and weather. they are I use and/or work with my system |
| 02:36.22 | elmo40 | the Cirque du Soleil is on TV right now... damn good performers!! |
| 02:36.31 | elmo40 | hermit2: RightClick |
| 02:36.51 | elmo40 | LinuxNIT: you walk him through... i dont remember now ;) |
| 02:36.58 | LinuxNIT | lol |
| 02:37.13 | LinuxNIT | hermit2, first make sure the module is installed... check insynaptic |
| 02:37.25 | hermit2 | ok, I right click but the menu is all different now... no mod options I can find any where |
| 02:37.30 | LinuxNIT | then go to menu>config>modules |
| 02:37.34 | LinuxNIT | enable them |
| 02:37.50 | LinuxNIT | then go to shelves and add them to the shelf you want the module on |
| 02:42.20 | hermit2 | choices under confg are: modem conections, speed touch modem, menu editor, hot keys editor, kernel modules, usb view |
| 02:43.04 | LinuxNIT | e17-desktop-menu>configurations |
| 02:44.04 | hermit2 | umm... where do I find that... elpanel? still no module config there either |
| 02:44.16 | LinuxNIT | right click on the desktop |
| 02:44.20 | LinuxNIT | errr... |
| 02:44.25 | LinuxNIT | left click actually |
| 02:44.58 | hermit2 | that brings up the main user menu |
| 02:45.18 | hermit2 | right clicks gives window settings |
| 02:45.35 | hermit2 | middle click kinda does both |
| 02:45.38 | LinuxNIT | normal click.... should have a configuration section |
| 02:45.42 | LinuxNIT | hang on ill brb |
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| 02:49.38 | LinuxNIT | hermit2, it should be the second one up.... configurations |
| 02:49.51 | LinuxNIT | on left click |
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| 02:52.23 | hermit2 | this is not the e17 on the 6.1 cd... this is the e17 from the how to for testing.... left click is giving me settings... a very long list of them but none do the module |
| 02:52.47 | LinuxNIT | im on the e17 from the tests repo |
| 02:53.19 | hermit2 | err.. I meant right click |
| 02:53.39 | LinuxNIT | left click is where you need to look |
| 02:53.43 | LinuxNIT | normal click |
| 02:54.22 | hermit2 | config with left click, 4th opt from bottom |
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| 02:54.56 | LinuxNIT | well whatever... as long as you have config |
| 02:55.10 | Jambon | ok, first azureus won't dowload anything, now opera won't even handle a torrent. wtf? |
| 02:55.10 | hermit2 | does not show me any module options |
| 02:55.17 | Jambon | elive hates me |
| 02:55.20 | Jambon | linux hates me |
| 02:57.29 | LinuxNIT | http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/2346/ssri9.png |
| 02:57.34 | LinuxNIT | hermit2, like that |
| 02:58.04 | LinuxNIT | if yours isnt that way then hunt around i dont know... its in there some where |
| 02:58.15 | LinuxNIT | it should be the same |
| 02:58.30 | hermit2 | heck no... no where even close |
| 02:58.43 | LinuxNIT | you on elive? |
| 02:58.50 | hermit2 | yes |
| 02:59.11 | LinuxNIT | take a screen shot of your menu |
| 02:59.42 | LinuxNIT | in a terminal.... sleep 4 && scrot ss.png |
| 02:59.50 | LinuxNIT | that will give you 4 seconds to get the menu up |
| 02:59.51 | LinuxNIT | ;) |
| 03:00.03 | hermit2 | lol |
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| 03:06.17 | hermit2 | http://img116.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sstu7.png |
| 03:06.44 | hermit2 | let me know if that worked |
| 03:07.09 | LinuxNIT | hehe |
| 03:07.12 | LinuxNIT | youre in e16 |
| 03:07.14 | LinuxNIT | not e17 |
| 03:07.35 | GPLGeek | e17 -1 |
| 03:07.42 | GPLGeek | = |
| 03:07.45 | LinuxNIT | GPLGeek, very good |
| 03:08.05 | hermit2 | well, that would explain a lot wouldn't it |
| 03:08.12 | LinuxNIT | hermit2, yes it would :) |
| 03:10.47 | GPLGeek | by the way |
| 03:10.53 | GPLGeek | in e16 I can do torrent stuff just fine |
| 03:11.16 | LinuxNIT | not in e17? |
| 03:11.36 | GPLGeek | I can do it there too |
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| 03:11.43 | LinuxNIT | ok |
| 03:11.44 | LinuxNIT | lol |
| 03:11.45 | GPLGeek | up there he said he couldnt |
| 03:11.51 | GPLGeek | im just saying its possible in both |
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| 03:12.01 | LinuxNIT | oh ok |
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| 03:12.47 | LinuxNIT | that look better hermit2 ? |
| 03:12.49 | hermit2 | what a difference, not like yours but better I think... than what I had |
| 03:14.29 | hermit2 | any idea why the monitoring widgets don't work on my system? |
| 03:14.57 | hermit2 | they didn't work in any version |
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| 03:17.05 | LinuxNIT | battery and cpu? |
| 03:17.37 | GPLGeek | I want to eat your brain! |
| 03:17.48 | GPLGeek | Oh crap, miss message |
| 03:18.00 | LinuxNIT | .... |
| 03:18.11 | GPLGeek | I was talking to a girl and mouse went off the app and focused this one |
| 03:18.17 | GPLGeek | we were playing a zombie video game |
| 03:18.38 | LinuxNIT | wtf e17 is useing 30 % of my cpu |
| 03:18.50 | GPLGeek | lol ill tell you why |
| 03:18.56 | GPLGeek | do you have temp running? |
| 03:18.59 | LinuxNIT | 45% |
| 03:19.05 | GPLGeek | or mem |
| 03:19.06 | LinuxNIT | temp? |
| 03:19.08 | LinuxNIT | module? |
| 03:19.10 | LinuxNIT | yeah |
| 03:19.22 | GPLGeek | temp modules memory modules = memory leak and overruns |
| 03:19.36 | LinuxNIT | i just started e17 like 10 min ago |
| 03:19.37 | LinuxNIT | lol |
| 03:19.41 | GPLGeek | check print, dont clear, check, print |
| 03:19.46 | GPLGeek | exactly |
| 03:20.03 | GPLGeek | it's a exponential leak not a constant or incramental leak |
| 03:20.27 | GPLGeek | so it started off at 2 bytes (16 bits) |
| 03:20.35 | LinuxNIT | so temp module |
| 03:20.36 | GPLGeek | then 4 bytes |
| 03:20.39 | GPLGeek | then 8 |
| 03:20.41 | GPLGeek | then 12 |
| 03:20.45 | GPLGeek | temp and mem |
| 03:20.46 | LinuxNIT | disalbed it .... do i have to restart x? |
| 03:20.50 | LinuxNIT | i dont use mem |
| 03:20.58 | GPLGeek | ctrl alt backspace (save data 1st) |
| 03:21.12 | GPLGeek | lol |
| 03:21.15 | GPLGeek | thats great |
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| 03:21.55 | LinuxNIT | its still eating |
| 03:22.03 | GPLGeek | wow really? |
| 03:22.06 | GPLGeek | what do you have running? |
| 03:22.07 | LinuxNIT | yeah |
| 03:22.27 | LinuxNIT | cpu bat ibar ibox clcok volume |
| 03:22.41 | LinuxNIT | xchat terminal and gaim |
| 03:22.42 | GPLGeek | didnt I say cpu |
| 03:22.47 | LinuxNIT | no |
| 03:22.50 | LinuxNIT | temp and mem |
| 03:22.55 | GPLGeek | cpu is one of the ones that made me jump from 5% to 15% |
| 03:23.01 | GPLGeek | for some reason |
| 03:23.17 | LinuxNIT | the cpu or cpufreq? |
| 03:23.18 | GPLGeek | just disable and dont restart, then check |
| 03:23.23 | GPLGeek | cpufreq |
| 03:23.25 | hermit2 | well the battery I put down to not using a laptop but temp is always 40 and the other is ???ghz |
| 03:23.58 | GPLGeek | not all computers support the temp modules but I think you can install lmsensors |
| 03:24.05 | GPLGeek | for widndows-type sensing |
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| 03:24.53 | LinuxNIT | hmmm |
| 03:25.02 | LinuxNIT | 19-25 % normal? |
| 03:25.04 | hermit2 | I had tried that once. seems I'm missing something (don't remember what now) and it needed files to be moved and stuff |
| 03:25.06 | GPLGeek | you dont have a cron job running do you |
| 03:25.24 | LinuxNIT | nope |
| 03:25.36 | LinuxNIT | but it says enlightenment is using that much cpu |
| 03:25.53 | GPLGeek | with no modules, just firefox, xchat, mp3's playing, ssh to my remote terminal, and a emulator running..... 1% cpu |
| 03:26.05 | GPLGeek | total system usage |
| 03:26.52 | LinuxNIT | hmmm |
| 03:26.58 | LinuxNIT | i just disapbled all module |
| 03:26.59 | LinuxNIT | s |
| 03:27.05 | LinuxNIT | 1% |
| 03:27.12 | LinuxNIT | so i think we have another leak |
| 03:27.15 | LinuxNIT | ill find it |
| 03:27.24 | GPLGeek | oh |
| 03:27.29 | GPLGeek | animated icons?' |
| 03:27.34 | hermit2 | hmm |
| 03:28.02 | LinuxNIT | a couple... but when i first used them it didnt do that to my cpu usage |
| 03:28.32 | LinuxNIT | with just tclcok im seeing random jumps to 35 % |
| 03:29.29 | LinuxNIT | but your right ibar with the animated icons is holing it up |
| 03:31.45 | LinuxNIT | hmmm i removed all the animated icons and its holding at 35-41 with just ibar |
| 03:31.48 | LinuxNIT | this isnt good |
| 03:33.15 | LinuxNIT | uhoh |
| 03:33.20 | LinuxNIT | i missed one |
| 03:33.24 | LinuxNIT | that one did it |
| 03:33.40 | LinuxNIT | listen.edj from get-e.org |
| 03:33.44 | LinuxNIT | dont use it |
| 03:34.02 | LinuxNIT | PrinceAMD, ping |
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| 04:21.11 | Detox_at_Home | hello all |
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| 04:26.58 | PrinceAMD | LinuxNIT, pong |
| 04:27.04 | PrinceAMD | just got home |
| 04:27.43 | Detox_at_Home | hey folks have you added the new e17 via cvs? |
| 04:27.51 | LinuxNIT | one sec |
| 04:29.21 | LinuxNIT | PrinceAMD, did you use the code from listen.edj in any of your icons? |
| 04:29.31 | LinuxNIT | the speaker edj on get-e.org |
| 04:30.06 | Detox_at_Home | and,, do I need to isntall 6.1 prior to moving to the cvs e-17? |
| 04:30.42 | LinuxNIT | youre going to compile e17? |
| 04:31.05 | Detox_at_Home | na jsut apt-get as per elivedev |
| 04:31.24 | LinuxNIT | what version of elive are you running? |
| 04:31.31 | Detox_at_Home | hmmm |
| 04:31.35 | Detox_at_Home | christmas |
| 04:33.23 | Detox_at_Home | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:33.23 | Detox_at_Home | Linux home.klundteam.biz 2.6.15.7 #2 Tue Dec 5 06:48:06 CET 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 04:33.56 | Detox_at_Home | dont remember was released on 24 dec i tink |
| 04:33.59 | LinuxNIT | cat /etc/elive-version would be better... |
| 04:34.10 | LinuxNIT | but with that kernel you arent running anything toooo old |
| 04:34.23 | Detox_at_Home | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:34.23 | Detox_at_Home | elive-codename: Revolution rl2 |
| 04:34.23 | Detox_at_Home | elive-version: 0.6 |
| 04:34.23 | Detox_at_Home | date-builded: 2006-12-24 |
| 04:34.23 | Detox_at_Home | debian-version: testing |
| 04:34.24 | Detox_at_Home | stable-release: yes |
| 04:34.37 | LinuxNIT | im running on the tests repo and did not install 0.6 |
| 04:34.42 | LinuxNIT | so you should be fine |
| 04:34.51 | Detox_at_Home | waht kernel is 6.1? |
| 04:35.25 | LinuxNIT | same as yours i think |
| 04:35.28 | LinuxNIT | im not sure |
| 04:36.14 | PrinceAMD | LinuxNIT, no |
| 04:36.18 | Detox_at_Home | I need to put up a file server for work,,, elive should be ok? has to connect ot about 10 win xp / 2000 pc's |
| 04:36.55 | LinuxNIT | PrinceAMD, good |
| 04:37.01 | LinuxNIT | cause it was sucking up my cpu :) |
| 04:37.07 | PrinceAMD | lol |
| 04:37.19 | PrinceAMD | my icons dont suck cpu |
| 04:37.20 | Detox_at_Home | so what kernel is ver 6.1? |
| 04:37.22 | LinuxNIT | i wanted to make sure you didnt get bad code |
| 04:38.00 | PrinceAMD | lol |
| 04:38.49 | Detox_at_Home | wow! am DL from elivedev site at 594 kbd |
| 04:38.51 | PrinceAMD | what is your favorite icon |
| 04:38.51 | LinuxNIT | well if youre gonna laugh at me.... i wont mention it next time i see something |
| 04:38.52 | Detox_at_Home | kbs |
| 04:42.05 | Detox_at_Home | so what kernel is ver 6.1? |
| 04:46.40 | LinuxNIT | 2.6.something |
| 04:46.42 | LinuxNIT | :) |
| 04:46.44 | LinuxNIT | sorry i dunno |
| 04:47.03 | PrinceAMD | 2.6.18 |
| 04:47.14 | LinuxNIT | really? |
| 04:47.16 | PrinceAMD | but i use 2.6.20 :D |
| 04:47.22 | PrinceAMD | i think so |
| 04:47.28 | LinuxNIT | i thought he dropped back to 2.6.15 for a release |
| 04:47.33 | PrinceAMD | he did |
| 04:47.42 | LinuxNIT | ... |
| 04:48.02 | LinuxNIT | nm ill shut up cause i dont know what kernel it is |
| 04:49.20 | PrinceAMD | lol |
| 04:49.37 | PrinceAMD | i think!!! 0.6.1 had kernel 2.6.18 |
| 04:49.48 | PrinceAMD | if not it's 2.6.15 |
| 04:49.53 | LinuxNIT | hehe |
| 04:49.57 | LinuxNIT | one of those two |
| 04:50.14 | hermit2 | ya, should be 2.6.18. I took the 6.1 cd cause the .18 kernel could use the dual core |
| 04:50.15 | LinuxNIT | id look at elivecd.com but.... |
| 04:51.21 | PrinceAMD | today is the 06th |
| 04:51.27 | PrinceAMD | where is thana |
| 04:51.35 | LinuxNIT | i dunno |
| 04:51.38 | PrinceAMD | :( |
| 04:51.47 | LinuxNIT | abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz |
| 04:51.53 | LinuxNIT | oops wrong window |
| 04:51.56 | PrinceAMD | lol |
| 04:51.58 | LinuxNIT | dont ask |
| 04:52.00 | LinuxNIT | :) |
| 04:52.11 | PrinceAMD | lol linuxnit |
| 04:52.14 | PrinceAMD | what the hell |
| 04:52.27 | PrinceAMD | u'r teaching a kid? alphabet |
| 04:52.39 | PrinceAMD | i wont ask/comment |
| 04:52.41 | LinuxNIT | yeah that sounds good |
| 04:52.44 | PrinceAMD | anymore |
| 04:54.05 | Detox_at_Home | am using elive with kernel 6.15 on my dell poweredge server |
| 04:54.09 | Detox_at_Home | it works great |
| 04:55.04 | Detox_at_Home | hey do you have a good doc on making a filfe server? |
| 04:55.09 | Detox_at_Home | file server? |
| 04:55.33 | LinuxNIT | just use nfs |
| 04:55.46 | LinuxNIT | you can create and mount shares in elpanel |
| 04:55.53 | Detox_at_Home | oh good |
| 04:55.59 | Detox_at_Home | where il elpalel? |
| 04:56.09 | LinuxNIT | unless you want windows to share the files then use smb |
| 04:56.31 | Detox_at_Home | ya am making file server for around 10 win xp/2000 pc's |
| 04:56.39 | Detox_at_Home | and ned ftp accessa lso |
| 04:57.15 | Detox_at_Home | access also |
| 04:57.33 | LinuxNIT | oh then youll need a ftp server |
| 04:57.47 | Detox_at_Home | yes but locally use samba? |
| 04:57.53 | LinuxNIT | im not real great at setting those up... sorry |
| 04:58.09 | LinuxNIT | samba sucks... but i guess so for windows computers |
| 04:58.13 | Detox_at_Home | no prob will read the docs |
| 04:58.27 | Detox_at_Home | thought nfs worked with win? |
| 05:00.10 | LinuxNIT | it does.... but im not sure how easy it is to set up... check it out |
| 05:00.43 | Detox_at_Home | am attepmting to do same |
| 05:00.47 | Detox_at_Home | but work requires win |
| 05:01.03 | Detox_at_Home | am trying to get all to repent |
| 05:01.54 | Detox_at_Home | and cross over to linux |
| 05:01.58 | Detox_at_Home | but takes time |
| 05:02.58 | Detox_at_Home | got to go ,,, is getting late great chatting cya later folks |
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| 05:18.10 | hermit2 | seems elitaire is not up to date and i can't play it even with the sym link |
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| 05:19.34 | hermit2 | apparently elitaire needs a rebuild |
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| 07:39.08 | Jambon | ok |
| 07:39.16 | Jambon | this is really getting annoying now |
| 07:39.20 | Jambon | I just want out |
| 07:39.24 | Jambon | but linux won't let me |
| 07:39.49 | Jambon | no, Tux has done more than penguinly possible to keep me from going back to windows |
| 07:39.59 | Jambon | no matter what I do, I fail |
| 07:40.03 | Jambon | this is my final plea |
| 07:40.05 | LinuxNIT | fail doing what? |
| 07:40.25 | Jambon | burning a working xp cd |
| 07:40.45 | Jambon | i have 2 now that simply spin up, then down, then up, then down, etc at boot and in elive |
| 07:40.57 | Jambon | not a clue as to why |
| 07:41.15 | LinuxNIT | from an iso ? |
| 07:41.19 | Jambon | ya |
| 07:41.32 | LinuxNIT | open a terminal |
| 07:41.43 | LinuxNIT | qemu -cdrom path-to-iso |
| 07:41.53 | LinuxNIT | run that and it wil try to boot the iso image |
| 07:42.00 | LinuxNIT | if it does then we know the image is good |
| 07:42.06 | Jambon | oh well I don't actually have that image |
| 07:42.13 | Jambon | these are ones that my friend burned |
| 07:42.26 | Jambon | both diffent isos, both fail |
| 07:42.35 | LinuxNIT | put the cd into the drive |
| 07:42.40 | LinuxNIT | what files do you see? |
| 07:42.43 | LinuxNIT | on the disk |
| 07:43.02 | Jambon | where in elive do I see the disk |
| 07:43.08 | Jambon | i haven't figured that out |
| 07:43.28 | LinuxNIT | did you insert the disk after loggin in? |
| 07:43.33 | Jambon | ya |
| 07:43.37 | LinuxNIT | open thunar |
| 07:43.49 | LinuxNIT | you should see a cd on the left side |
| 07:43.49 | Jambon | oh here we go |
| 07:44.18 | Jambon | mkay |
| 07:44.51 | LinuxNIT | what do you see on the disk? |
| 07:45.31 | Jambon | several folders, a couple service packs, a setup exe |
| 07:45.36 | Jambon | some more stuff |
| 07:45.38 | LinuxNIT | hmm |
| 07:45.43 | LinuxNIT | ok do this |
| 07:46.05 | LinuxNIT | qemu -cdrom /dev/hdc |
| 07:46.16 | LinuxNIT | or this: qemu -cdrom /dev/cdrom |
| 07:46.44 | Jambon | it tells me it's booting |
| 07:46.58 | Jambon | spinning up, and back down |
| 07:47.04 | Jambon | spinning up....and back down |
| 07:47.08 | Jambon | same as before |
| 07:47.32 | LinuxNIT | never get a windows boot screen? |
| 07:47.36 | Jambon | nope |
| 07:47.48 | LinuxNIT | looks like he made a bad copy of the disk |
| 07:47.49 | Jambon | initially wine failed to load it |
| 07:47.54 | Jambon | ouch |
| 07:47.58 | LinuxNIT | forget wine |
| 07:48.01 | LinuxNIT | :) |
| 07:48.09 | LinuxNIT | qemu is a cpu emulator |
| 07:48.16 | Jambon | is there any difference between a cd-r and rw in terms of bootability? |
| 07:48.22 | LinuxNIT | it will emulate booting |
| 07:48.29 | LinuxNIT | sometimes not always |
| 07:49.03 | Jambon | because I have a cd -rw, and my roomate is growing tired of me asking him for new cd-rs, even if i do pay him |
| 07:49.30 | LinuxNIT | some people get away with using a cdrw but some people have trouble with them |
| 07:49.44 | Jambon | hmm |
| 07:51.33 | LinuxNIT | do you know how he copied the disk? |
| 07:51.41 | Jambon | nero |
| 07:51.54 | Jambon | he got the image from a friend |
| 07:52.02 | Jambon | so I don't really know it's true origin |
| 07:52.11 | LinuxNIT | hmm |
| 07:52.22 | LinuxNIT | well i dunno then |
| 07:52.29 | Jambon | all the torrents look really suspicious |
| 07:52.33 | Jambon | so I don't know what to do |
| 07:52.43 | LinuxNIT | but if you want to try sticking it out with linux ill be glad to help you the best i can |
| 07:52.57 | Jambon | I've honestly given linux (ubuntu, elive, and whatever suse called an install) a fair shot |
| 07:53.10 | Jambon | I just don't think we're meant for each other |
| 07:53.27 | LinuxNIT | how come? |
| 07:53.30 | Jambon | for some odd reason elive runs slower than windows |
| 07:53.36 | Jambon | I have no clue |
| 07:53.42 | LinuxNIT | dont get me wrong im not gonna try and force it on you |
| 07:53.46 | Jambon | I know |
| 07:53.55 | Jambon | I really really really wanted to stick with linux |
| 07:54.02 | Jambon | I've just given up |
| 07:54.21 | LinuxNIT | hmmm are you on elive right now? |
| 07:54.21 | Jambon | i spend more time trying to fix things than i actually do doing things |
| 07:54.23 | Jambon | ya |
| 07:54.30 | LinuxNIT | what cpu do you have? |
| 07:54.48 | Jambon | 667mhz celeron (coppermine), with 320 MB RAM |
| 07:55.06 | LinuxNIT | hmmm |
| 07:55.10 | Jambon | no clue why elive or ubuntu or suse don't like it |
| 07:55.22 | LinuxNIT | i can tell you what would run fast on it.... but its not that polished |
| 07:55.23 | LinuxNIT | :) |
| 07:55.55 | Jambon | I just have a hard time with the menu and window systems in elive |
| 07:56.03 | Jambon | and ubuntu is too slow |
| 07:56.16 | Jambon | so I get stuck back with windows, much to my chagrin |
| 07:56.18 | LinuxNIT | dsl is fast |
| 07:56.25 | LinuxNIT | dsl=damn small linux |
| 07:56.30 | LinuxNIT | 50 mb cd |
| 07:56.32 | Jambon | ya |
| 07:56.37 | Jambon | I can imagine |
| 07:56.44 | Jambon | I just like the full functionality |
| 07:56.56 | LinuxNIT | on elive are you using e17 or e16? |
| 07:57.02 | Jambon | e17 |
| 07:57.03 | LinuxNIT | e16 will run a bit faster |
| 07:57.06 | Jambon | I know |
| 07:57.08 | LinuxNIT | k |
| 07:57.50 | Jambon | but it's even more confusing than e17 |
| 07:57.50 | LinuxNIT | :) |
| 07:57.50 | Jambon | ideally i'd want a mac |
| 07:57.53 | LinuxNIT | same here |
| 07:57.57 | Jambon | but this is the only thing i have to use, and so I'll use the best thing I can get my hands on |
| 07:57.59 | LinuxNIT | pst dont tell anyone |
| 07:58.03 | Jambon | hehe |
| 07:58.14 | Jambon | secretly i think that's the case with a lot of peole |
| 07:58.31 | Jambon | in the end the only thing windows has on them is program support |
| 07:58.45 | Jambon | which ends up being the deal breaker |
| 07:58.49 | LinuxNIT | and cost |
| 07:58.58 | Jambon | kinda |
| 07:59.01 | atum1997 | I <3 my macs, and I agree with you 100% |
| 07:59.09 | atum1997 | I wish macs were cheaper |
| 07:59.14 | atum1997 | like a lot cheaper |
| 07:59.42 | Jambon | I wish his Steveness would make them a bit more practical, at least with the laptops |
| 07:59.48 | Jambon | sorry, notebooks |
| 07:59.53 | Jambon | you can't put them on you lap |
| 07:59.57 | atum1997 | in what way(s)? |
| 08:00.00 | Jambon | if you want children |
| 08:00.00 | atum1997 | oh |
| 08:00.01 | atum1997 | yeah |
| 08:00.13 | atum1997 | I think mine has made me sterile |
| 08:00.16 | Jambon | hehe |
| 08:00.23 | Jambon | I just want a mac tablet pc |
| 08:00.31 | Jambon | with a decent video card |
| 08:00.31 | atum1997 | mmhm |
| 08:00.36 | Jambon | and I'd be very very happy |
| 08:00.41 | atum1997 | speaking of video cards and macs |
| 08:00.55 | atum1997 | I have to reboot this beast to update the firmware for my graphics card. |
| 08:01.12 | atum1997 | apple just released a firmware update for the geforce cards... weird? |
| 08:01.49 | atum1997 | shouldn't take but two minutes |
| 08:02.39 | Jambon | I wonder what a mac like OS based off a microkernel would be like? |
| 08:03.35 | LinuxNIT | microsoft kernel? |
| 08:03.47 | Jambon | that's not a microkernel is it? |
| 08:03.50 | LinuxNIT | forget i said that |
| 08:03.50 | LinuxNIT | lol |
| 08:04.09 | Jambon | just in terms of security |
| 08:04.17 | Jambon | and stability |
| 08:04.20 | LinuxNIT | sorry i get to used to people abbreviating microsoft i read too fast |
| 08:04.39 | Jambon | seeing as most modern computers already have more than enough power for most people's needs |
| 08:04.50 | LinuxNIT | people act like its a sin to type out "microsoft" |
| 08:04.55 | Jambon | hehe |
| 08:05.01 | Jambon | M$ |
| 08:05.09 | LinuxNIT | yep |
| 08:05.20 | Jambon | well they are assholes in many aspects |
| 08:05.32 | Jambon | eg) the Novell deal |
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| 08:05.42 | Jambon | then again Novell were idiots too |
| 08:05.54 | LinuxNIT | hehe |
| 08:07.57 | Jambon | see if ubuntu had been faster I would have been happy to stay with it |
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| 08:08.19 | Jambon | but using it was like dragging a velcro elephant through a cotton farm |
| 08:08.28 | atum1997 | ... ooh ahhh huge difference it made |
| 08:08.43 | Jambon | what |
| 08:08.54 | atum1997 | the firmware upgrade apple released for my graphics cards |
| 08:08.59 | Jambon | did it adds a Ikon of steve all over? |
| 08:09.03 | atum1997 | it was a mandatory updates |
| 08:09.22 | atum1997 | hehe I wish, atleast then I'd notice the difference |
| 08:09.29 | Jambon | ya |
| 08:09.56 | atum1997 | maybe it'll be evident when I boot into windows or linux |
| 08:10.01 | atum1997 | but in osx, it's no different |
| 08:10.03 | Jambon | I was saying it would be interesting if macs ran off a microkernel |
| 08:10.16 | atum1997 | mmm |
| 08:10.18 | Jambon | then you might not have to reboot |
| 08:10.34 | atum1997 | interesting concept indeed |
| 08:11.40 | atum1997 | but then they'd have to reprogram all kernel-specific functions to servers |
| 08:11.52 | Jambon | I guess |
| 08:11.55 | Jambon | it's just a thought |
| 08:12.01 | atum1997 | which would be a HUGE redesign by apple, considering they've kept the same model since the relase of OS X |
| 08:12.10 | atum1997 | but it would still be amazing, you're right |
| 08:12.20 | atum1997 | plus it would be even more reliable |
| 08:12.50 | Jambon | I'd just like the throw the best minds in computer science together under one roof, and let them, in an open source model, come up with some entirely new kernel |
| 08:13.14 | atum1997 | you'd need to provide much caffeine and hot pockets |
| 08:13.21 | Jambon | or women |
| 08:13.25 | atum1997 | and no lights whatsoever |
| 08:13.27 | atum1997 | that as well |
| 08:13.32 | Jambon | or at least the promise of getting laid |
| 08:13.39 | atum1997 | mmhm |
| 08:14.05 | Jambon | ya |
| 08:14.11 | Jambon | twould be nice |
| 08:14.22 | Jambon | and throw the hardware guys in there too |
| 08:14.29 | atum1997 | one has to wonder what possible functions they could spew out of it all |
| 08:14.41 | Jambon | so you'd have the software model evolve along side a new model of hardware |
| 08:14.50 | Jambon | like bell labs for computers |
| 08:15.03 | atum1997 | aka nvidia, intel, amd, and a bunch of the guys from the mini-itx production companies |
| 08:15.11 | atum1997 | for hardware, atleast |
| 08:15.29 | Jambon | well less private companies and more the guys that know about hardware |
| 08:15.29 | atum1997 | but make sure you have metal detectors |
| 08:15.41 | atum1997 | cause these guys would try to kill each other to prove whose model is better |
| 08:15.45 | Jambon | and make what they come up with public |
| 08:15.59 | atum1997 | open source, free software model |
| 08:16.03 | Jambon | yup |
| 08:16.05 | atum1997 | GPL, aka |
| 08:16.10 | Jambon | something like it |
| 08:16.17 | atum1997 | that would be amazingly beautiful |
| 08:16.23 | Jambon | for both the hardware and the software |
| 08:16.33 | Jambon | and complete redesign for the new millenium |
| 08:17.04 | Jambon | throw a few designers in there too |
| 08:17.10 | atum1997 | for the hardware, you might get shafted if it's open-model |
| 08:17.15 | atum1997 | it will either destroy the industry |
| 08:17.20 | atum1997 | or make the industry |
| 08:17.25 | atum1997 | depending on how you play your cards |
| 08:17.36 | atum1997 | no pun intended |
| 08:17.44 | Jambon | it would probably end up being run by governments |
| 08:17.49 | atum1997 | sadly |
| 08:17.53 | Jambon | not really |
| 08:17.57 | Jambon | it's a source of income |
| 08:18.02 | atum1997 | I hope it doesn't fall into the hands of my government |
| 08:18.09 | atum1997 | any government but mine |
| 08:18.11 | Jambon | which one would that be? |
| 08:18.14 | atum1997 | let sweden hold onto it |
| 08:18.17 | atum1997 | I'm in the US |
| 08:18.17 | Jambon | hehe |
| 08:18.21 | Jambon | ya |
| 08:18.25 | Jambon | not you guys |
| 08:18.27 | Jambon | or canada |
| 08:18.32 | atum1997 | sweden might lose half their income to taxes |
| 08:18.32 | Jambon | harper's the devil |
| 08:18.34 | atum1997 | 56% actually |
| 08:18.38 | atum1997 | but it goes back to them |
| 08:18.40 | Jambon | ya |
| 08:18.40 | atum1997 | they're smart |
| 08:18.47 | Jambon | it's also a small country |
| 08:18.52 | atum1997 | mmhm |
| 08:19.10 | Jambon | it would have to be an international effort |
| 08:19.30 | atum1997 | oh some UN shit here |
| 08:19.30 | Jambon | free from any government influence |
| 08:19.31 | Jambon | or UN influence |
| 08:19.31 | atum1997 | then we go back to corporate holdings |
| 08:19.32 | atum1997 | except |
| 08:19.38 | Jambon | let a non profit run it |
| 08:19.42 | atum1997 | lassiez faire is played with a strict rule |
| 08:19.55 | Jambon | tragedy of the commons |
| 08:20.03 | Jambon | to quote my philosophy class |
| 08:20.17 | atum1997 | let no government touch or influence it, same for businesses |
| 08:20.18 | Jambon | lassiez faire means everyone loses |
| 08:20.22 | atum1997 | I suppose that would work |
| 08:20.34 | atum1997 | then we'd have this amazing hardware and amazing software |
| 08:20.35 | Jambon | in economics and government |
| 08:20.42 | atum1997 | better than all the rest |
| 08:20.49 | atum1997 | that's true, you bring about a good point |
| 08:20.49 | Jambon | in this case, yes, we'd have to let them be |
| 08:21.01 | Jambon | for the software/hardware thing |
| 08:21.06 | atum1997 | even smith himself admitted that the government must take some touch in the market |
| 08:21.16 | Jambon | ya |
| 08:21.17 | atum1997 | in some aspects |
| 08:21.29 | Jambon | he was the "invisible hand" guy right? |
| 08:21.37 | atum1997 | yeah |
| 08:21.41 | Jambon | yeah |
| 08:21.46 | atum1997 | which always creeped me out :) |
| 08:21.50 | Jambon | ya |
| 08:21.53 | atum1997 | adam smith had some problems |
| 08:22.01 | Jambon | prisoner's dilemna |
| 08:22.11 | atum1997 | but atleast we're on the right side of the spectrum, not the left |
| 08:22.16 | atum1997 | aka less gov involvement |
| 08:22.31 | Jambon | sweden's pretty left |
| 08:22.46 | atum1997 | how left? |
| 08:22.56 | atum1997 | like china left or like north korea left? |
| 08:23.05 | Jambon | given their taxes government involvement must be fairly high |
| 08:23.29 | Jambon | the problem is less the government running things and more the aggregation of power into a single entity |
| 08:23.54 | Jambon | if you spit up government enough they could run everything and not be overbearing |
| 08:24.05 | Jambon | like a microkernel |
| 08:24.19 | Jambon | failure in one part does not mean failure in the rest |
| 08:24.24 | atum1997 | mmhm |
| 08:24.44 | LinuxNIT | gnight guys |
| 08:24.47 | Jambon | night |
| 08:24.51 | atum1997 | night |
| 08:24.56 | atum1997 | I might do the same |
| 08:24.56 | Jambon | i should probably head off too |
| 08:25.06 | atum1997 | I have to get some sleep for the lack of school I have tomorrow :) |
| 08:25.06 | Jambon | i'm not getting this solved tonight |
| 08:25.23 | Jambon | i have to do the same for the opposite reason |
| 08:25.28 | atum1997 | hehe |
| 08:25.29 | LinuxNIT | didnt mean to crash the party |
| 08:25.40 | Jambon | it needed crashing |
| 08:25.41 | atum1997 | :) |
| 08:25.43 | atum1997 | indeed |
| 08:25.50 | atum1997 | we were comparing economics to a microkernel |
| 08:25.55 | atum1997 | it's time for sleep |
| 08:26.10 | LinuxNIT | lol |
| 08:26.12 | LinuxNIT | wow |
| 08:26.15 | LinuxNIT | ok youre right |
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| 17:05.36 | PrinceAMD | apt princeamd |
| 17:05.40 | apt | you are, like, a dude that hangs out in #elive with a slight beer gut and 2 girlfriends |
| 17:05.51 | PrinceAMD | :) |
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| 17:30.38 | Detox_at_Work | hello |
| 17:30.57 | Detox_at_Work | someone last night gave me a cat command to view the version of elive |
| 17:31.06 | Detox_at_Work | cat /elive-version ?? |
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| 18:57.33 | Elive_user61 | hey! |
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| 19:48.53 | parky | hey |
| 19:49.01 | parky | anyone know how to delete stuf through the terminal? |
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| 19:52.32 | trog | parky: yes |
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| 20:00.06 | Neonman | hi |
| 20:00.26 | Neonman | i need berly install |
| 20:01.03 | trog | on elive ? |
| 20:01.35 | Neonman | yes |
| 20:01.59 | Neonman | or a similar program |
| 20:02.58 | trog | it wont work. from what i know, beryl works with gnome or kde (although i think you can make it work on xfce also) |
| 20:03.09 | trog | elive's window manager is enlightenment |
| 20:04.08 | trog | you can use a livecd distro that has beryl installed by defualt. you can query www.distrowatch.com for that |
| 20:06.57 | Neonman | ok |
| 20:07.00 | Neonman | tanks |
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| 20:13.11 | GPLGeek | trog, you can get the kdelibs if its a qt app |
| 20:14.06 | trog | yea, but the windows aint managed by kdelibs ...on E |
| 20:14.21 | GPLGeek | but anything that interfaces with the wm directly probably wont interface with e17, but rather call the KDE function |
| 20:14.22 | trog | i'm not 100% you can not get beryl to work...but i'm 99% :) |
| 20:14.50 | GPLGeek | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:17.35 | GPLGeek | omfg 32 oz of green tea in my keyboard |
| 20:17.40 | GPLGeek | im typing on an ocean |
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| 21:06.28 | atum1997 | alo |
| 21:06.56 | elmo40 | atum1997: hi |
| 21:06.59 | elmo40 | trog: afternoon |
| 21:07.13 | atum1997 | fading into evening |
| 21:07.33 | rabe | hi |
| 21:07.37 | PrinceAMD | hi |
| 21:07.43 | elmo40 | not evening here for 2 hrs |
| 21:07.46 | atum1997 | wow look what I started |
| 21:07.47 | elmo40 | PrinceAMD hey hey |
| 21:07.47 | rabe | how are you? |
| 21:07.53 | atum1997 | depends on your definition of evening |
| 21:07.54 | PrinceAMD | hey elmo40 |
| 21:07.57 | rabe | ;) |
| 21:08.00 | PrinceAMD | i'm ok rabe |
| 21:08.11 | rabe | glad to hear that |
| 21:08.20 | PrinceAMD | how are you rabe and elmo40 |
| 21:08.36 | PrinceAMD | i just cleaned my room and took a shower |
| 21:08.55 | rabe | ;) |
| 21:08.57 | PrinceAMD | no one will touch my linux baby |
| 21:09.42 | PrinceAMD | so rabe what u been up to lately |
| 21:09.45 | rabe | she can touch if you can touch her |
| 21:09.58 | PrinceAMD | elmo40 how are you? |
| 21:10.00 | elmo40 | rabe: :O |
| 21:10.03 | elmo40 | i am good |
| 21:10.06 | rabe | i was lerning to type in lyx |
| 21:10.08 | elmo40 | just got in from work |
| 21:10.09 | PrinceAMD | :D |
| 21:10.15 | elmo40 | lyx? |
| 21:10.22 | rabe | it a frontend for latex |
| 21:10.31 | elmo40 | ahh |
| 21:10.33 | rabe | im not sure if it is worth effort |
| 21:10.40 | elmo40 | dont think so :P |
| 21:10.43 | PrinceAMD | what's latex |
| 21:10.45 | rabe | maybe i should use open office |
| 21:10.46 | PrinceAMD | apt lates |
| 21:10.56 | PrinceAMD | apt latex |
| 21:10.58 | apt | methinks latex is nice on a woman, but LaTeX (pronounced la tech) is a set of macros for the TeX document formatting system. awesome, or http://directory.google.com/Top/Computers/Software/Typesetting/TeX/LaTeX/, or read The Not-So-Short Guide to LaTeX : http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/info/lshort/english/, or http://www.tex.ac.uk/ |
| 21:10.58 | elmo40 | unless you are doing a professional report! |
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| 21:11.52 | rabe | i need to write a thesis, but im not sure if i will be waste effort for formating |
| 21:12.21 | elmo40 | rabe, formating is the simple part! |
| 21:12.22 | rabe | i used ms word a long time, evrytime i used it it crash unless 1 time :( |
| 21:12.26 | elmo40 | are there no templates?? |
| 21:13.12 | rabe | not realy only some directions |
| 21:13.14 | elmo40 | apt fortune |
| 21:13.16 | apt | extra, extra, read all about it, fortune is a kickass app available for Linux. Packages are in OZ and http://frob.us/modules.php?name=Fortune lets you use fortune over the web. |
| 21:13.34 | elmo40 | apt PrinceAMD |
| 21:13.36 | apt | princeamd is, like, a dude that hangs out in #elive with a slight beer gut and 2 girlfriends |
| 21:13.38 | rabe | lol |
| 21:13.50 | elmo40 | you have a beer gut? ;) |
| 21:13.59 | rabe | hehe dont let them know that there is another girl |
| 21:14.13 | rabe | or there will be no more prince ;) |
| 21:14.17 | elmo40 | apt debian |
| 21:14.19 | apt | [debian] a free software GNU/Linux distribution. Debian 3.1 contains KDE 3.3.2 |
| 21:14.28 | elmo40 | hrmm, that is old |
| 21:14.30 | elmo40 | 3.3.2 ? |
| 21:15.47 | elmo40 | apt DSL |
| 21:15.48 | apt | from memory, dsl is Digital Subscriber Line, the wonder technology the telcos will nevertheless find a way to turn into a con, or better than cable. http://www.dslreports.com. D**k S***ing Lips |
| 21:16.22 | elmo40 | apt damnsmalllinux |
| 21:16.49 | elmo40 | hrmm, silence |
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| 21:26.13 | PrinceAMD | apt elmo40 |
| 21:26.15 | apt | from memory, elmo40 is a canuck of estonian descent, and the master of nick completion |
| 21:26.23 | PrinceAMD | apt rabe |
| 21:28.05 | rabe | ;) |
| 21:28.14 | PrinceAMD | lol |
| 21:28.39 | atum1997 | apt lol |
| 21:28.41 | apt | lol is, like, stands for Laughing Out Loud. It is grammatically incorrect to use LOL in the first person; use 'heh' or 'haha' instead. If you want to use LOL, do '/me lol' instead. |
| 21:29.15 | rabe | apt lyx |
| 21:29.16 | apt | Advanced LaTeX-based typesetting and text-editing program for X11. URL: http://www.lyx.org/ |
| 21:29.24 | rabe | cool |
| 21:29.33 | rabe | apt trog |
| 21:29.38 | rabe | lol |
| 21:29.51 | trog | :D |
| 21:29.55 | trog | i'm the great unknown |
| 21:30.41 | rabe | myam feed dog with cats |
| 21:31.08 | PrinceAMD | and is now eating the second one |
| 21:32.11 | PrinceAMD | :D |
| 21:33.16 | rabe | trog is gone cause apt dont recognize him |
| 21:33.21 | rabe | ;) |
| 21:34.12 | rabe | he has left in a huff |
| 21:34.25 | rabe | my dvd player is dead |
| 21:34.42 | rabe | it does not eject my dvd |
| 21:35.49 | PrinceAMD | http://purl.rikers.org/%23elive/20061001.html.gz |
| 21:35.59 | PrinceAMD | 22:05.52apt |
| 21:36.11 | PrinceAMD | now my girl can never visit that site |
| 21:36.16 | PrinceAMD | or i'm DEAD |
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| 21:36.42 | PrinceAMD | ahh i'm FULL |
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| 21:37.27 | PrinceAMD | wtf that was since in 2006 |
| 21:37.33 | PrinceAMD | damn i have not changed |
| 21:39.17 | PrinceAMD | brb |
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| 22:05.26 | trog | has anyone played with the bling module ? |
| 22:08.22 | rabe | no sorry |
| 22:08.26 | rabe | what is a bling |
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| 22:08.53 | atum1997 | apt bling |
| 22:08.55 | apt | ok brutus, whatever you say dude |
| 22:09.12 | atum1997 | very descriptive on apt's part... |
| 22:09.14 | rabe | ^^ |
| 22:09.27 | rabe | apt apt |
| 22:09.29 | apt | well, apt is the debian package manager and nothing to do with ibot |
| 22:09.37 | rabe | ^ |
| 22:09.46 | rabe | apt microsoft |
| 22:09.48 | apt | "The day Microsoft makes something that doesn't suck is the day they start making vacuum cleaners." |
| 22:09.48 | atum1997 | apt bot |
| 22:09.49 | apt | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 22:10.08 | rabe | apt sun |
| 22:10.09 | apt | rumour has it, sun is starting to "sneak" it's way towards the horizon... a mass of incandescent gas, a gigantic nuclear furnace |
| 22:10.21 | atum1997 | apt steve jobs |
| 22:10.22 | apt | hmm... steve jobs is god |
| 22:10.33 | rabe | no he is not he is evil |
| 22:10.40 | rabe | devil |
| 22:10.42 | rabe | ^ |
| 22:10.43 | atum1997 | why's that? |
| 22:11.22 | atum1997 | in your opinion, state why you think steve jobs is or is not god (5 pts) |
| 22:11.28 | rabe | lol |
| 22:11.31 | GPLGeek | news |
| 22:11.33 | atum1997 | god I hate my writing class... |
| 22:11.37 | GPLGeek | just talked to apple developer |
| 22:11.44 | atum1997 | ? |
| 22:11.51 | rabe | i read iwoz |
| 22:11.57 | atum1997 | as did I |
| 22:12.02 | GPLGeek | jobs wants to get rid of drm and also wants to move to linux with itunes, offering alternate (other than aac) formats |
| 22:12.03 | GPLGeek | like ogg |
| 22:12.10 | rabe | jobs was a fool who had look to meet the right guys |
| 22:12.47 | rabe | his os sucks more than microsoft |
| 22:13.04 | rabe | windows sucks but os-x sucks² |
| 22:13.25 | atum1997 | what don't you like about osx, rabe? |
| 22:13.39 | atum1997 | the developers, or the os itself |
| 22:13.41 | rabe | they make nice gui and use many colour and hide evrything from user to keep him stupid |
| 22:13.45 | GPLGeek | apple says it needs to be "Open and friendly with the open source *nix community" saying that it's "contributions have been felt on the mac platform and around the world" |
| 22:13.59 | GPLGeek | rabe, they gave the user what they wanted |
| 22:14.05 | atum1997 | exactly |
| 22:14.11 | GPLGeek | rabe, go install linux or darwin os x |
| 22:14.16 | rabe | ^ |
| 22:14.19 | rabe | no |
| 22:14.31 | GPLGeek | they are actually making a GNU version of darwin for use on mac and non mac computers |
| 22:14.40 | GPLGeek | which could actually be pretty leet |
| 22:14.41 | atum1997 | they're not trying to make a linux |
| 22:14.41 | atum1997 | they put a pretty face on one |
| 22:14.49 | atum1997 | but if you know how to and you are good at it, you can dig under it and treat osx almost exactly like a linux |
| 22:14.54 | rabe | eg on windows u can customize many things in linux almost evrything on osx nothing |
| 22:14.56 | GPLGeek | atum1997, no, they are tryint to make a darwin which is bsd based |
| 22:15.00 | rabe | except some colours |
| 22:15.14 | atum1997 | exactly |
| 22:15.19 | rabe | yes u r right, if you now |
| 22:15.34 | GPLGeek | and as far as I'm concerned bsd is very friendly with linux as they both share the GNU and they both contribute to eachother, freebsd, openbsd (for example open ssh), darwin, linux, all talk to eachother |
| 22:15.40 | rabe | but avarage osx user become stupid using osx |
| 22:15.42 | atum1997 | and if you don't, and you bought a mac, obviously there must have been another reason for buying it |
| 22:15.42 | GPLGeek | and now solaris is also contributing code |
| 22:15.55 | atum1997 | mmhm |
| 22:16.06 | rabe | ;) |
| 22:16.15 | GPLGeek | the only problem I have with mac is the hardware |
| 22:16.23 | GPLGeek | its good hardware but its not what I want |
| 22:16.35 | atum1997 | people are always amazed that I can compile source that works on their *nix boxes on my xserve |
| 22:16.43 | GPLGeek | I want a monitor seperate from the system (and not the xeon pro systems) |
| 22:16.45 | atum1997 | I agree with you there, GPLgeek |
| 22:16.49 | rabe | apple is the real monopolist, they tell you what to use what to buy what to install - its like communism |
| 22:17.04 | rabe | you have to chose the printer that they want |
| 22:17.11 | GPLGeek | and there are a few issues with hardware-locking but not nearly as bad as ms or other companies. |
| 22:17.17 | rabe | your have to get the mouse that they want |
| 22:17.20 | atum1997 | not really, I chose the printer I wanted |
| 22:17.24 | atum1997 | and the mouse I wanted |
| 22:17.28 | atum1997 | aka the razer copperhead |
| 22:17.29 | rabe | now u can do that |
| 22:17.34 | atum1997 | and the kb I wanted |
| 22:17.36 | atum1997 | aka the G15 |
| 22:17.49 | atum1997 | nothing is mac about my computer except for the tower and the iPod |
| 22:17.57 | rabe | but until some years ago u had to choose what they offered |
| 22:17.58 | atum1997 | and the OS |
| 22:17.58 | GPLGeek | the Saitek Eclipse works on mac, windows button turns into a apple button. |
| 22:18.25 | atum1997 | I quite like this particular mac, actually |
| 22:18.40 | GPLGeek | did you know apple is trying to get games ported to linux? |
| 22:18.43 | atum1997 | for the simple reason that it has never caused me problems, never crashes |
| 22:18.50 | atum1997 | I've heard that, yeah |
| 22:18.51 | rabe | evrything is very expensive and not usefull |
| 22:19.11 | GPLGeek | quote "If you can port them to mac you can port them to any graphical unix-like system" Mr. Roberts |
| 22:19.14 | atum1997 | it's expensive, I'll meet ya on that one, the tower alone was 5K |
| 22:19.14 | rabe | benchmarking and dualcore intel with windows / linux vs osx kickass osx |
| 22:19.21 | atum1997 | but it's still extremely nice |
| 22:19.33 | GPLGeek | I dont like looking at the mac/apple commercials but |
| 22:19.49 | GPLGeek | I like them in the sense that they were made directly to raise bloodpressure at ms offices |
| 22:19.53 | rabe | they have beutifull equipment thats true but it is not worth that money |
| 22:20.10 | atum1997 | what if I told you it wasn't my money? :) |
| 22:20.17 | GPLGeek | 3 execs went crazy and broke 18 windows and 4 chairs and 10 computers after being breifed about a commercial |
| 22:20.19 | rabe | they want 50 € for a power suply what cost 10 € normaly |
| 22:20.21 | GPLGeek | that's good business |
| 22:20.31 | atum1997 | yes it is |
| 22:20.48 | rabe | only reason is it is formed like circle and a stupid apple is there |
| 22:21.09 | rabe | no it is a community of fools supporting that |
| 22:21.24 | rabe | they dont event offer quality |
| 22:21.30 | atum1997 | that's not true |
| 22:21.36 | atum1997 | they do offer quality |
| 22:21.44 | rabe | once ago apple was realy quality but now they are also producing in china |
| 22:21.55 | GPLGeek | honestly.... I told my family to get apples because they kept calling me over and over and over about windows viruses, problems, crashes, etc |
| 22:22.03 | GPLGeek | now they are on macs and I've only got one call... |
| 22:22.06 | atum1997 | yeah, I did the same for mine |
| 22:22.20 | rabe | ok that is true |
| 22:22.25 | atum1997 | I switched my brother first and he has had no problems whatsoever |
| 22:22.31 | atum1997 | then my sister, she got the mac book pro |
| 22:22.32 | GPLGeek | not everyone is gonig to take time to learn more than clicking one fucking button to open an explorer |
| 22:22.44 | atum1997 | and finally the dell with osx86 |
| 22:22.51 | GPLGeek | they may be smart, doctors even, but they dont give a shit about a computer. |
| 22:22.54 | GPLGeek | it doesn't help them |
| 22:23.09 | rabe | yes |
| 22:23.11 | atum1997 | plus the house uses the xserve as an internet gateway/firewall/nat |
| 22:23.23 | rabe | not evry one need to learn about computer |
| 22:23.31 | rabe | but ! |
| 22:23.59 | rabe | apple forces them to get there stuff |
| 22:24.20 | LinuxNIT | since when? |
| 22:24.26 | rabe | u get the comfort for the price of freedom |
| 22:24.34 | GPLGeek | um |
| 22:24.41 | LinuxNIT | my friend has a apple and uses microsoft keyboard mouse pc monitor and epson printer |
| 22:24.47 | GPLGeek | the only thing apple keeps from you is proprietary systems |
| 22:24.56 | GPLGeek | they will gladly give you osx source and binaries |
| 22:25.03 | GPLGeek | and it works great |
| 22:25.09 | GPLGeek | on any system |
| 22:25.27 | GPLGeek | I dont exactly call that non-free |
| 22:25.46 | GPLGeek | does debian give you proprietary stuff with the base system? |
| 22:25.48 | GPLGeek | no |
| 22:26.06 | rabe | it ok if they keep theyre propietary stuff |
| 22:26.23 | rabe | look at ipod does it work without itunes ? |
| 22:26.28 | atum1997 | yes |
| 22:26.31 | atum1997 | it does |
| 22:26.39 | GPLGeek | they gave white papers to the linux community a few months ago |
| 22:26.47 | GPLGeek | it works with amarok and a few other programs now |
| 22:26.55 | atum1997 | gtkpod as well |
| 22:27.05 | rabe | and u can choose where u can get your music? |
| 22:27.08 | GPLGeek | they didnt program an itunes for linux (yet, its in the works) |
| 22:27.11 | atum1997 | yes |
| 22:27.14 | rabe | cool |
| 22:27.19 | GPLGeek | any mp3 ogg etc |
| 22:27.21 | atum1997 | which will be stunning |
| 22:27.37 | GPLGeek | you can take and convert anything into the ipod's aac format it uses |
| 22:27.39 | GPLGeek | the thing is |
| 22:27.47 | GPLGeek | if you say they are restrictive for using aac |
| 22:27.57 | elmo40 | damn, must reboot... |
| 22:28.03 | GPLGeek | then all the other players are restrictive for using .mp3 in the same exact sense |
| 22:28.08 | GPLGeek | its proprietary |
| 22:28.13 | rabe | yes |
| 22:28.19 | trog | did anyone successfully played with composite stuff on e17 ? |
| 22:28.31 | rabe | but there are good player from samsung eg which play ogg also |
| 22:28.32 | GPLGeek | now if they used ogg (which they currently are trying to negotiate with the music industries, trust me they hate riaa as much as we do) |
| 22:28.39 | GPLGeek | then they would be truely open |
| 22:28.50 | rabe | and there quality has been tested better than original ipod |
| 22:29.15 | rabe | but evryone know ipod and whants to have it cause it is cool ;) |
| 22:29.28 | GPLGeek | its the end-users choice |
| 22:30.11 | rabe | they r part of the riaa ;) |
| 22:30.22 | atum1997 | not so much |
| 22:30.37 | rabe | i like bill gates more than steve jobs |
| 22:30.48 | rabe | bill spends his money for poor kids |
| 22:30.52 | atum1997 | you mean steve ballmer |
| 22:31.00 | GPLGeek | what's a good samsung ogg model? |
| 22:31.02 | rabe | jobs is a litle dictator like hitler |
| 22:31.05 | GPLGeek | I need something at least 6gb |
| 22:31.09 | rabe | ;) |
| 22:31.13 | atum1997 | bill is a figurehead |
| 22:31.37 | atum1997 | I think apt is pretty right |
| 22:31.41 | atum1997 | abotu jobs |
| 22:31.42 | atum1997 | about |
| 22:31.43 | rabe | i thing he is a real geek |
| 22:31.54 | rabe | but a friendly one |
| 22:32.00 | rabe | but steve balmer is evil |
| 22:32.01 | atum1997 | but isn't that the kinda person you want to buy your software from? |
| 22:32.10 | atum1997 | steve ballmer is truly the devil |
| 22:32.26 | GPLGeek | he's that lawyer that wants to convict a innocent man |
| 22:32.33 | GPLGeek | that kind of attitude |
| 22:32.48 | GPLGeek | he fired somone for "looking stupid" he didnt even speak to |
| 22:32.54 | atum1997 | honestly, I think he's going to drive certain divisions of microsoft into the ground |
| 22:33.17 | rabe | Samsung YP Z5 FA Tragbarer MP3-Player 4 GB |
| 22:33.23 | GPLGeek | how? the software is included on every pc that sells |
| 22:33.27 | GPLGeek | they cant lose money |
| 22:33.27 | rabe | it has special abilities like srs wow |
| 22:33.57 | atum1997 | true |
| 22:34.07 | atum1997 | but I didn't mean M$ as a whole |
| 22:34.12 | atum1997 | or vista/xp as a whole |
| 22:34.16 | atum1997 | I meant other divisions |
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| 22:35.26 | GPLGeek | hmm they don't say they work with ogg |
| 22:35.30 | GPLGeek | they dont advertise it |
| 22:36.58 | rabe | Samsung YP-Z5FAB Radio - Flash 4 GB - WMA, Ogg, MP3 |
| 22:37.19 | atum1997 | 6GB>4GB |
| 22:37.25 | rabe | ok |
| 22:37.38 | rabe | but 4 gb should be enough ;) |
| 22:37.42 | GPLGeek | not the US model |
| 22:37.51 | GPLGeek | thats a uk only model |
| 22:38.02 | rabe | u dont need to take your whole music collection with u ;) |
| 22:38.03 | GPLGeek | or rather EU only |
| 22:38.08 | atum1997 | I wish that someone would come out with a 100GB music player |
| 22:38.10 | rabe | is the us version different |
| 22:38.15 | rabe | lol |
| 22:38.18 | atum1997 | mp3/ogg capability |
| 22:38.31 | atum1997 | now TAHT I would buy |
| 22:38.34 | GPLGeek | Supports MP3/WMA files from your personal collection or a pay service on all models |
| 22:38.37 | GPLGeek | no ogg |
| 22:38.48 | rabe | real good sound is flac or mpu |
| 22:39.56 | rabe | my stupid cell phone plays mp3 wma but no ogg :( |
| 22:40.29 | rabe | they have to pay licence fee but they still support wma ogg is free and .. |
| 22:40.29 | atum1997 | mine records sound and video in some retarded proprietary format in windows media player that WMP on a pc can't even read |
| 22:40.40 | rabe | lol |
| 22:41.03 | atum1997 | windows mobile phone, windows media player mobile recorder, but it won't play on regular windows media player |
| 22:41.05 | atum1997 | odd, no? |
| 22:41.21 | GPLGeek | there was even a ogg developer offering FREE implimentation to hardware dealers |
| 22:41.24 | GPLGeek | and full support |
| 22:41.29 | GPLGeek | they would not take it for free |
| 22:41.29 | rabe | yes you are true, its odd |
| 22:42.06 | atum1997 | uh oh |
| 22:42.08 | atum1997 | time for dinner |
| 22:42.14 | GPLGeek | the reason is because "ogg is not a default windows format" |
| 22:42.19 | rabe | and it is even better quality in less bit |
| 22:42.28 | rabe | and ogg has no drm |
| 22:42.43 | atum1997 | back in a while guys, hope the channel is still this buzzing on my return |
| 22:42.45 | rabe | or is it possible to get drm on that |
| 22:43.02 | rabe | im feeling tired ;) but will try |
| 22:51.20 | rabe | cu |
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