| 00:00.24 | GPLGeek | try c, get on a few projects, if you want I can give you a few projects to test your skills |
| 00:01.38 | adamant1988 | That would be awesome :) I really want to build up a decent resume so I can at least have a job... my girlfriend/fiancee is a hot-shot photographer/model so she'll be rolling in it.. I'm just a geek. |
| 00:02.05 | adamant1988 | So any projects I can involve myself in would be worth the time |
| 00:02.33 | adamant1988 | You have to be the single most helpful person I've talked to on this subject |
| 00:03.23 | GPLGeek | http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/gregkh/lkn/lkn_pdf.tar.bz2 for any of you wanna be kernel-hackers |
| 00:04.17 | GPLGeek | I am sure ReactOS would love your help if you learned C or ASM or both |
| 00:05.58 | adamant1988 | I was thinking about getting on with Fedora, novell, linspire, a linux project. But React OS sounds important too |
| 00:06.02 | GPLGeek | adamant1988, I have used over 23 programming languages, I've helped create a macroing language, I've done everything from windows to linux to unix. I've hopped around many projects. I'm a jack of all trades but I failed to establish a specialization. An area where I'm the all-knowing-guru. Fortunatly google came along. |
| 00:06.26 | adamant1988 | you work for google? |
| 00:06.31 | GPLGeek | no |
| 00:06.37 | adamant1988 | oh. |
| 00:06.37 | GPLGeek | google makes everyone a expert |
| 00:06.43 | GPLGeek | just type the question into google and there ya go |
| 00:06.58 | Shinsten | yep |
| 00:07.09 | adamant1988 | Eh, I want to actually know what I'm talking about.. |
| 00:07.19 | GPLGeek | lol ya |
| 00:07.46 | GPLGeek | I relly really need to go back to college and finish those 3 classes and graduate |
| 00:08.10 | adamant1988 | I'm big into business and software, so, ideally I would like to find myself a little niche with a corporate linux company maybe helping with the programming and the marketing. |
| 00:08.20 | adamant1988 | I'm strong in marketing. |
| 00:08.37 | GPLGeek | if you learn edje and debian package managment ubuntu will hire you |
| 00:08.39 | GPLGeek | lol |
| 00:08.46 | keyra | GPLGeek: Ubuntu is OFF topic |
| 00:08.55 | adamant1988 | Ubuntu and I do not have a matching set of ideas. |
| 00:08.56 | GPLGeek | http://elivedev.org/?q=node/13 |
| 00:09.03 | adamant1988 | I read it. |
| 00:09.07 | GPLGeek | lol ya |
| 00:09.32 | adamant1988 | I like their software, but personally my favorite distributions are in this order: OpenSuse, Linspire/Freespire, Fedora, and then Ubuntu |
| 00:09.35 | GPLGeek | linspire == ubuuntu |
| 00:09.54 | adamant1988 | Linspire = what ubuntu should be. |
| 00:10.04 | GPLGeek | they are merging to ubuntu base |
| 00:10.10 | adamant1988 | I know |
| 00:10.17 | adamant1988 | I was there for the announcement, that was a mess. |
| 00:10.26 | GPLGeek | and then they have a 4 year plan to become absorbed by them |
| 00:10.43 | adamant1988 | I am more excited about Fedora and OpenSuse getting CNR than anything |
| 00:10.54 | GPLGeek | cnr isnt bad |
| 00:11.05 | GPLGeek | i mean we need it to establish a point-of-sale to every day users |
| 00:11.15 | adamant1988 | Well, the way I see it is |
| 00:11.26 | GPLGeek | I really love debian, hate RPMs |
| 00:11.39 | adamant1988 | the framework for it could be used cross-distribution to establish a working installer across the biggest distributions |
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| 00:12.08 | adamant1988 | the technology is there, and it seems like the user bases of each distribution are excited about getting CNR |
| 00:12.22 | GPLGeek | they were talking about getting rid of RPMs because they are no longer a good package type |
| 00:12.32 | adamant1988 | I think (hopefully) with CNR cross distribution like that, ISVs would be more interested in selling their wares. |
| 00:12.33 | GPLGeek | but they decided that it would kill their business |
| 00:12.54 | GPLGeek | so they are thinking of making RPM II with RPM backwards compatability, which is dumb |
| 00:13.04 | adamant1988 | Eh... |
| 00:13.05 | GPLGeek | why not just make something better if something better comes along? |
| 00:13.26 | adamant1988 | I think they either need to get behind the LSB or integrate CNR technology |
| 00:13.34 | GPLGeek | They are just leaving themselves behind because they "set the standard" and are affraid to change it or they would lose craedability |
| 00:14.08 | adamant1988 | But it's obvious that some standard installation method is necessary. |
| 00:14.25 | GPLGeek | I say deb or tar.gz |
| 00:14.27 | GPLGeek | thing is |
| 00:14.36 | adamant1988 | Ideally I think they could integrate CNR technology into the OS itself... so when you're browsing the net you can go right to adobe .com and click the "install me" link for flash and have it. |
| 00:14.40 | adamant1988 | No mess, no fuss. |
| 00:14.47 | GPLGeek | look at the sane linuxes, like debian. usr/ vs usr/local segragation |
| 00:15.02 | GPLGeek | now games in redhat (the standard for some reason) install into /usr/local |
| 00:15.05 | GPLGeek | yet |
| 00:15.13 | GPLGeek | in debian /user/local is admin-only |
| 00:15.28 | adamant1988 | Yeah, I think the LSB is meaning to fix that... |
| 00:15.31 | GPLGeek | so why the hell can't these companies make a simple deb with the right /usr/games path instead of /usr/local/games path |
| 00:15.40 | adamant1988 | Personally I don't see the debian derivatives making it corporate.. |
| 00:15.56 | GPLGeek | last I checked LSB wanted /usr/local admin and /usr/ userland |
| 00:16.18 | adamant1988 | It seems like RPM based distributions "have their eye on the ball" so to speak, they have a goal and they go for it... seems like most debian projects are created out of an ideal |
| 00:16.51 | GPLGeek | debian is the 'most stable' yet some packages are outdated because they dont release on a time table |
| 00:17.00 | adamant1988 | Yeah, that makes me mad. |
| 00:17.05 | adamant1988 | I hate the debian release schedule. |
| 00:17.08 | GPLGeek | ubuntoo releases on a time table and they wonder why the system doesnt boot on most computers |
| 00:17.22 | adamant1988 | Ubuntu doesn't boot on most computers? |
| 00:17.24 | GPLGeek | so is there a happy medium? |
| 00:17.46 | adamant1988 | Use a longer time-table. |
| 00:17.53 | GPLGeek | they saw how elive was doing great with graphical livecd that can install |
| 00:17.59 | GPLGeek | they decided to use that for an installer |
| 00:18.00 | GPLGeek | however |
| 00:18.20 | GPLGeek | they don't have the right drivers, or compatable software, to run on many graphic systems |
| 00:18.37 | adamant1988 | Yeah, I know.. FOSS only distributions drive me up a wall. |
| 00:18.38 | GPLGeek | so many people find themselves using the command-line installer which has "lost support" |
| 00:18.56 | adamant1988 | Give me access to what I need to make my system work when I put the disk in, that's all I ask |
| 00:20.07 | GPLGeek | the thing about debian is by the time sarge was "getting old" etch worked fine |
| 00:20.28 | GPLGeek | corporate servers dont need (except in the past 3 years) fast releases |
| 00:20.46 | adamant1988 | Desktop is different though |
| 00:20.53 | GPLGeek | the whole virtualization revolution and crazy amount of new features in the linux kernel kinda made everyone want a new kernel every week |
| 00:20.58 | adamant1988 | how late are you going to be on? |
| 00:21.28 | GPLGeek | Until the earth dies |
| 00:21.31 | GPLGeek | why? |
| 00:22.15 | GPLGeek | are you in California? (usually thats where the supermodels and photographers are so I was just guessing) |
| 00:22.50 | GPLGeek | I'll probably go to sleep sometime after 11pm PST |
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| 00:25.46 | GPLGeek | wb adamant1988 |
| 00:26.04 | adamant1988 | hey, how late will you be on? |
| 00:26.12 | GPLGeek | probably at least until 11pm |
| 00:26.14 | GPLGeek | pst |
| 00:26.21 | adamant1988 | oh, I'll be on again before then |
| 00:26.24 | GPLGeek | im guessing your in california if your girl is a model |
| 00:26.29 | GPLGeek | just ping me. |
| 00:26.32 | adamant1988 | WV |
| 00:26.36 | adamant1988 | She's in pittsburgh |
| 00:26.46 | GPLGeek | hmm |
| 00:26.49 | GPLGeek | well 11 pacific time |
| 00:26.57 | adamant1988 | anywho, girl/fiancee is on the phone with me now, so I'll be back |
| 00:27.04 | GPLGeek | ok |
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| 02:14.12 | adamant1988 | GPLGeek: I'm back for a short time. |
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| 02:16.51 | GPLGeek | adamant1988, cool |
| 02:16.57 | adamant1988 | hehe :) |
| 02:17.12 | GPLGeek | I've gotta reset my modem comcast decided that 6mbps wasnt enough, they are upping my service to 12mbps for free |
| 02:17.16 | GPLGeek | but I have to "cycle" my modem |
| 02:17.41 | GPLGeek | be right back (twice as fast) |
| 02:17.52 | GPLGeek | and they dont charge any more for it either |
| 02:18.11 | adamant1988 | ok |
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| 02:25.55 | GPLGeek | oh this new speed is sweet |
| 02:26.01 | adamant1988 | nice :) |
| 02:26.34 | GPLGeek | its burst speed for 10-20 seconds at 12mb, the rest of my speed is still 6mb-8mb |
| 02:27.50 | GPLGeek | but they may be raising the "normal speed" to 8mbit and the "premium speed" to 10mb and "burst speed" to 12+mbit plus offer a slight compression their side |
| 02:28.09 | adamant1988 | nice |
| 02:28.19 | GPLGeek | so in the 8mb you might get 8-11mbit worth of data |
| 02:28.34 | GPLGeek | so anyways back to programming |
| 02:28.50 | GPLGeek | http://www.oopweb.com/ i heard was a good resource |
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| 02:29.27 | goldstein | hello |
| 02:29.30 | GPLGeek | but heck python has books and how-tos right on the website |
| 02:29.33 | GPLGeek | hi goldstein |
| 02:29.35 | keyra | goldstein: hi |
| 02:32.01 | goldstein | :) |
| 02:33.35 | adamant1988 | yeah that's awesome :) |
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| 02:38.57 | GPLGeek | I still scored 11mbit down 2mbit up while torrents going. |
| 02:38.57 | adamant1988 | nice wow |
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| 02:44.00 | Hermit2 | I finally got my files moved. |
| 02:44.44 | Hermit2 | I had to use the name they were called in the tar ball and not the name they aquired after unpacking |
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| 02:51.59 | GPLGeek | who was having problems recovering data from a dead hard drive? |
| 02:52.03 | GPLGeek | I forgot |
| 02:52.25 | GPLGeek | I have very specific information on how to maybe recover it |
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| 03:17.19 | elmo40 | LinuxNIT: you around? have you messed with your smbviewer? |
| 03:19.25 | elmo40 | says Jan 06... i guess not |
| 03:21.46 | elmo40 | does anyone know the apt-get command to purge (or completely remove) something? |
| 03:24.48 | Hermit2 | apt-get --purge remove 'file-name' |
| 03:27.33 | elmo40 | ya, forgot the --purge part ;) |
| 03:27.40 | elmo40 | thanks Hermit2 |
| 03:29.09 | Hermit2 | Your welcome Elmo40 |
| 03:30.05 | LinuxNIT | sup elmo40 |
| 03:36.41 | LinuxNIT | elmo40, i was just playing with a couple of things in the smb program... fixed a coupld small possible problems. |
| 03:36.47 | LinuxNIT | elmo40, do you use that program much? |
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| 03:47.04 | elmo40 | i foudn my old box ;) |
| 03:47.10 | elmo40 | i think it has 0.5 on it |
| 03:47.18 | elmo40 | on it at the moment, just installed it |
| 03:48.15 | LinuxNIT | hows it goin elmo40 |
| 03:48.58 | elmo40 | i am good, computer is fine (all updated) but no other box on this network ;) |
| 03:49.09 | elmo40 | any way to jump onto another router within the main network? |
| 03:49.10 | LinuxNIT | :) |
| 03:49.25 | LinuxNIT | depends on which way your going |
| 03:50.09 | LinuxNIT | in other words... |
| 03:50.20 | elmo40 | i have it this way... Internet -- [router1 + 1 computer(me) + 1 router] -- [router2 + 2 computers] |
| 03:50.41 | elmo40 | so, i am 'above' the second router |
| 03:51.03 | LinuxNIT | so router 2 is plugged in as a "computer" on router 1 right? |
| 03:51.44 | LinuxNIT | you should be able to go from a computer on router 2 to router 1 but not vice versa |
| 03:53.54 | LinuxNIT | on a setup like this |
| 03:53.56 | LinuxNIT | internet |
| 03:53.56 | LinuxNIT | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:53.56 | LinuxNIT | router1 |
| 03:53.56 | LinuxNIT | || |
| 03:53.56 | LinuxNIT | comptuerrouter2 |
| 03:53.57 | LinuxNIT | | |
| 03:53.59 | LinuxNIT | several computers |
| 03:54.03 | LinuxNIT | ewww that didnt comeout right |
| 03:54.07 | LinuxNIT | forget that |
| 03:55.04 | elmo40 | LinuxNIT: forgotten ;) |
| 03:55.23 | LinuxNIT | :) |
| 03:57.21 | LinuxNIT | elmo40, you will probably have to specify ip address though to get to the other network (not sure what exactly your doing) |
| 03:59.37 | elmo40 | i wanted to view other sharing clients ;) |
| 03:59.53 | LinuxNIT | youll have to specify ip |
| 03:59.56 | LinuxNIT | most likely |
| 04:00.56 | elmo40 | what is the Paint equivilant? |
| 04:03.02 | LinuxNIT | huh |
| 04:03.51 | LinuxNIT | sorry im lost.... Paint? |
| 04:06.02 | elmo40 | in windoze... paint... simple graphic BMP editor |
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| 04:06.23 | LinuxNIT | hmm... gimp? |
| 04:06.31 | LinuxNIT | or is that overkill |
| 04:06.32 | LinuxNIT | :) |
| 04:07.35 | LinuxNIT | it thats too much overkill it looks like there are a few in the repos |
| 04:08.00 | roxville | gpaint - GNU Paint - a small, easy to use paint program for GNOME |
| 04:08.15 | roxville | krita - a pixel-based image manipulation program for the KDE Office Suite |
| 04:08.37 | roxville | xpaint - simple paint program for X |
| 04:09.05 | LinuxNIT | roxville-cache search paint |
| 04:09.11 | LinuxNIT | :) |
| 04:09.20 | roxville | :) |
| 04:11.02 | roxville | elmo40, don't do krita in elive though... all kde libs... |
| 04:11.11 | keyra | roxville: You speak about that News on Elive site ? today is the spaniards April 1st joke's day ;) Do you have really believe to Elive stop to uses Enlightenment ? |
| 04:11.25 | roxville | lol |
| 04:11.33 | LinuxNIT | now thats oooold |
| 04:13.39 | roxville | no keyra that's not what i'm talking about... |
| 04:14.35 | elmo40 | ahh, xpaint |
| 04:14.38 | elmo40 | i remember now ;) |
| 04:14.52 | roxville | :) |
| 04:15.31 | elmo40 | well, it says this: |
| 04:15.36 | elmo40 | E: Package xpaint has no installation candidate |
| 04:15.44 | LinuxNIT | try gpaint |
| 04:15.48 | LinuxNIT | :)0 |
| 04:15.53 | LinuxNIT | or txpaint |
| 04:15.56 | LinuxNIT | or tuxpaint |
| 04:16.07 | roxville | lol |
| 04:16.09 | elmo40 | xpaint.sf.net |
| 04:16.10 | LinuxNIT | or was it tkpaint |
| 04:16.11 | roxville | not tuxpaint! |
| 04:16.14 | LinuxNIT | lol |
| 04:16.23 | roxville | it's funny and all... but for kids |
| 04:17.42 | elmo40 | weee, tuxpaint |
| 04:17.53 | roxville | lol |
| 04:18.01 | LinuxNIT | lol |
| 04:18.11 | roxville | my daughter plays with that... when i let her... |
| 04:18.18 | LinuxNIT | it appeals to the inner child ;) |
| 04:18.43 | elmo40 | for children... they even have an .iso image!! |
| 04:19.23 | LinuxNIT | whats on it? |
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| 04:20.34 | LinuxNIT | hmmm i was gonnna run it through qemu but.... its 530 mb |
| 04:20.36 | LinuxNIT | :-/ |
| 04:20.37 | roxville | gpaint does not have an undo function... |
| 04:20.43 | LinuxNIT | lol |
| 04:20.58 | LinuxNIT | be verwy vewry careful |
| 04:21.10 | roxville | LOL |
| 04:21.22 | roxville | hehe |
| 04:21.41 | roxville | that was verwy vewry funny! |
| 04:21.47 | LinuxNIT | :) |
| 04:22.19 | Thanatermesis | of course |
| 04:22.31 | Thanatermesis | gpaint = gnome simulator of windows "paint" |
| 04:22.36 | LinuxNIT | lol |
| 04:22.45 | roxville | lol, yeah |
| 04:23.08 | roxville | Hermit2, i have a question for you... |
| 04:23.12 | Hermit2 | even tux paint has an undo button |
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| 04:23.32 | Hermit2 | ok, ask away |
| 04:23.48 | roxville | yeah tuxpaint is fun... i wish gimp has some of the things tuxpaint has |
| 04:24.21 | roxville | ok Hermit2 ...i'm asking you to consider writing a review or something... |
| 04:24.43 | Hermit2 | hmm... ok, on what? Elive? |
| 04:24.46 | roxville | about elive... and see if you can actually make it a point that you are a woman |
| 04:24.56 | roxville | yeah... |
| 04:25.01 | Hermit2 | lol :) |
| 04:25.11 | roxville | see if you could angle it a bit... to get the word out :) |
| 04:25.23 | LinuxNIT | Hermit2, is a woman? |
| 04:25.25 | LinuxNIT | oops |
| 04:25.47 | LinuxNIT | i guess you learn something new everyday :-D |
| 04:25.53 | Hermit2 | Indeed I am, LinuxNIT |
| 04:26.11 | LinuxNIT | :) |
| 04:26.24 | roxville | maybe i should have pm'ed this... |
| 04:26.30 | LinuxNIT | lol |
| 04:26.38 | Hermit2 | and nearly old enough to be your mom if I remember right |
| 04:26.43 | roxville | i didn't mean to blow any covers... :) |
| 04:26.43 | LinuxNIT | nah were nice... i just wasnt aware |
| 04:26.49 | LinuxNIT | *we're |
| 04:26.56 | LinuxNIT | you know how old i am ? |
| 04:26.57 | Hermit2 | I do not mind |
| 04:27.02 | roxville | hehe |
| 04:27.10 | Hermit2 | 26 or 28 I think |
| 04:27.11 | roxville | ok, cool |
| 04:27.15 | LinuxNIT | nope |
| 04:27.24 | elmo40 | damn i cant even install tuxpaint, nor xpaint!! |
| 04:27.25 | roxville | 23 |
| 04:27.37 | LinuxNIT | elmo40, have you apt-get updated recently? |
| 04:27.42 | roxville | elmo40, what the hell OS are you on? |
| 04:27.44 | LinuxNIT | roxville, nope |
| 04:27.46 | Hermit2 | oh gee... same age as my oldest then |
| 04:27.58 | roxville | lol |
| 04:28.09 | Hermit2 | or not... |
| 04:28.43 | Hermit2 | brb, dog needs to out |
| 04:28.44 | roxville | elmo40, i think there actually IS a version of tuxpaint for windows, if you prefer... |
| 04:29.55 | Hermit2 | I just wish i wasn'/t such a newbie to all this |
| 04:29.55 | roxville | well, i'm only a year younger than you, Hermit2 |
| 04:30.03 | LinuxNIT | Hermit2, dont worry we all started out as "newbie" |
| 04:30.07 | elmo40 | roxville: no windows. |
| 04:30.07 | LinuxNIT | youll learn |
| 04:30.25 | roxville | see that could be a good thing too... that you are sort of a newbie...coz you know a lot of stuff that i don't |
| 04:31.01 | roxville | we should all consider what we can do to promote elive |
| 04:31.08 | elmo40 | hey, i was about to do an apt-get dist-upgrade... and it wants to remove xmms, vim, acidrip (and more). Is that normal?? |
| 04:31.10 | roxville | it was just an idea |
| 04:31.39 | roxville | i don't see anything wrong in staging something like that |
| 04:32.05 | Hermit2 | ya, just not sure what my background has to offer it yet. |
| 04:32.09 | roxville | elmo40, if you're on windows, yes, it's totally normal |
| 04:32.30 | elmo40 | roxville: :/ |
| 04:32.44 | roxville | Hermit2, are you a full time linux scholarship MIT ex student? |
| 04:32.46 | elmo40 | The following packages will be upgraded: elive-skel vim-common |
| 04:32.53 | keyra | roxville: que tal ? |
| 04:32.54 | roxville | from berkley? |
| 04:33.00 | Hermit2 | heck no |
| 04:33.01 | keyra | elmo40: http://wiki.elivecd.org/index.php/Elive-skel_System |
| 04:33.17 | roxville | PERFECT! |
| 04:33.17 | Hermit2 | no college education to speak of at all |
| 04:33.23 | roxville | :D |
| 04:33.38 | roxville | well that's kinda a great point |
| 04:33.50 | elmo40 | untainted mind!! |
| 04:34.17 | Hermit2 | though I can kinda write |
| 04:34.18 | roxville | in just a few versions, elive will take a HUGE step forward in user friendliness |
| 04:34.19 | Hermit2 | but only in english |
| 04:34.46 | elmo40 | roxville: how much more friendlier?? |
| 04:34.47 | roxville | and tomorrow, you can download a version with a gorgeous GRUB menu!!! |
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| 04:34.53 | Hermit2 | Dora doesn't teach enough spanish to get around |
| 04:34.59 | elmo40 | Hermit2: lol |
| 04:35.02 | elmo40 | tell me about it |
| 04:35.18 | roxville | elmo40, i don't know, but the bew e17 is already a LOT easier to use than the one elive uses ATM |
| 04:35.32 | roxville | LOL Dora |
| 04:35.36 | Hermit2 | I like the new e17 |
| 04:35.50 | elmo40 | great... i receive an error :/ |
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| 04:36.07 | roxville | and 0.6.3 will have a few new features that are really nice |
| 04:36.13 | LinuxNIT | elmo40, have you apt-get updated recently? |
| 04:36.31 | roxville | by 0.7 or 0.8, you will really start seeing a diff |
| 04:36.44 | roxville | REALLY |
| 04:37.14 | roxville | so Hermit2 there's a lot of moms out there surfing the net every day, just looking for stuff |
| 04:37.14 | Hermit2 | nice |
| 04:37.32 | roxville | if we can get just 20 of them, it'd be worth it |
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| 04:38.00 | LinuxNIT | oh my... i havent upgraded in a while... |
| 04:38.05 | LinuxNIT | 380 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 21 not upgraded. |
| 04:38.43 | roxville | wow |
| 04:38.52 | roxville | you sure haven't... |
| 04:39.08 | roxville | or was that just since this morning? |
| 04:39.16 | LinuxNIT | no |
| 04:39.37 | elmo40 | http://pastebin.ca/354818 |
| 04:41.43 | roxville | Hermit2, all i'm asking, is think about it...and see if you can put to words what YOU like about elive... don't be too technichal... ppl can always learn if they want |
| 04:41.46 | Hermit2 | I suppose so. Ya, I can write somethig. but where would I put it |
| 04:41.46 | roxville | IF you start writing it, stress things like no spyware, and stuff like that... we';; make some really nice screen shots... PrinceAMD just made a theme that i think windows convert will REALY like... |
| 04:41.47 | roxville | we'll think of places to put it, don't worry :) |
| 04:41.48 | elmo40 | what theme? any screens" |
| 04:41.48 | elmo40 | ? |
| 04:41.49 | elmo40 | LinuxNIT: i have, yes... and that is the error i received http://pastebin.ca/354818 |
| 04:41.50 | LinuxNIT | elmo40, cd /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 04:41.57 | elmo40 | ok |
| 04:42.10 | elmo40 | do i delete it? |
| 04:42.16 | Hermit2 | well that was the thing i liked about elive, it wasn't trying to be another Windows look a like |
| 04:42.18 | LinuxNIT | wait |
| 04:42.21 | elmo40 | waiting |
| 04:42.35 | LinuxNIT | are you on tests repo? |
| 04:42.40 | roxville | :) |
| 04:42.45 | roxville | that's not what i meant... |
| 04:42.48 | elmo40 | Hermit2: that is Enlightenment for ya, not necessarily eLive |
| 04:43.14 | roxville | but this doesn't look like Wow or... whatever geeky game theme... |
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| 04:43.14 | LinuxNIT | elive uses enlightenment so.... |
| 04:43.19 | LinuxNIT | elmo40, are you on tests repo? |
| 04:43.29 | uranos | dedonde bajo la iso |
| 04:43.34 | Hermit2 | true, but it makes enlightenment work. though after the fact i have learned you can put it on other distros |
| 04:43.36 | uranos | para quemarla la o.4 |
| 04:44.34 | elmo40 | LinuxNIT: LinuxNIT this is my sources.list http://pastebin.ca/354825 |
| 04:44.48 | LinuxNIT | lol ok |
| 04:44.52 | roxville | http://www.elivedev.org/princeamd/Screenshots/blush5.jpg |
| 04:44.55 | LinuxNIT | you dont know what your using? |
| 04:45.29 | LinuxNIT | looks like someone has been editing.... |
| 04:45.32 | roxville | http://www.elivedev.org/princeamd/Screenshots/blush2.jpg |
| 04:46.07 | roxville | http://www.elivedev.org/princeamd/Screenshots/blush.jpg |
| 04:46.36 | roxville | there ya go |
| 04:46.43 | LinuxNIT | elmo40, this should force the install.... |
| 04:46.46 | LinuxNIT | dpkg -i --force-overwrite elsklook-elive_0.1-1elive20_all.deb |
| 04:46.55 | LinuxNIT | but if you do that i would immediatley reinstall entrance |
| 04:47.13 | elmo40 | entrance will b0rk if i do that? |
| 04:47.14 | LinuxNIT | not sure if its necessary but i would :) |
| 04:47.17 | LinuxNIT | i dunno |
| 04:47.32 | LinuxNIT | why are you not on vobcopy? |
| 04:47.55 | Hermit2 | not bad, I'm sure quite a few folks will like it. |
| 04:48.05 | roxville | no WONDER you couldn't install anything... |
| 04:48.10 | elmo40 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:48.25 | roxville | yeah Hermit2 it's nice and pretty clean |
| 04:48.31 | elmo40 | roxville: damn, 25 pounder? You fish that yourself, or did PrinceAMD help ya? |
| 04:48.32 | roxville | and bright |
| 04:48.56 | elmo40 | vobcopy? |
| 04:49.04 | elmo40 | LinuxNIT: let me see your sources.list! |
| 04:49.18 | roxville | i cought it in the baltic sea... just outside the estonian shoreline... |
| 04:49.25 | elmo40 | ;) |
| 04:49.33 | roxville | caught |
| 04:49.35 | LinuxNIT | elmo40, mine is the default... one sec |
| 04:49.38 | elmo40 | they have some of the best fishing spots there!! |
| 04:49.58 | roxville | yeah they do... and finland is amazing too |
| 04:50.04 | Hermit2 | maybe cause I'm a new englander I don't much care for the rolling flat lands of kansas |
| 04:50.16 | elmo40 | rolling flat lands :/ |
| 04:50.22 | roxville | hehe |
| 04:50.25 | elmo40 | same thing as secure windoze !! |
| 04:50.46 | Hermit2 | nah... xp uses telly tubby land |
| 04:50.48 | roxville | Hermit2, this was just a suggestion, we'll include a few screenies with different themes |
| 04:51.14 | LinuxNIT | elmo40, http://pastebin.ca/354829 |
| 04:51.49 | LinuxNIT | elmo40, note that im on the tests repo. you are not... so dont do a straight copy and paste of my sources.list |
| 04:52.02 | Hermit2 | ya, i know what you were getting at. and many will like it. it just wouldn't be my first choice |
| 04:52.16 | roxville | :) |
| 04:52.25 | elmo40 | LinuxNIT: but i can! if i bork something, shit happens ;) |
| 04:52.45 | LinuxNIT | elmo40, here is the true default http://pastebin.ca/354831 |
| 04:52.47 | roxville | hehe |
| 04:53.11 | roxville | elmo40, even |
| 04:53.26 | roxville | ELO stopped playing...right? :D |
| 04:53.37 | roxville | broke up |
| 04:54.10 | elmo40 | feb '08? nah, that is too far away. Maybe march 07 ;) |
| 04:54.18 | elmo40 | or, when 0.7 comes out? |
| 04:55.41 | Hermit2 | I had thought they had... haven't hear anything from them in a real long time |
| 04:56.11 | roxville | Hermit2, thana is also good at hacking themes... and the new grub theme will look a little bit like the startup screen... but nicer |
| 04:56.54 | roxville | much nicer |
| 04:57.25 | roxville | http://thanatermesis.org/elive/changelog.html |
| 04:57.30 | roxville | that's changelog |
| 04:57.34 | keyra | roxville: http://thanatermesis.org/elive/changelog.html |
| 04:58.17 | roxville | thanks keyra your a true friend, and a great help :) |
| 04:58.25 | keyra | roxville: welcome :) |
| 04:58.59 | LinuxNIT | elmo40, did you get anywhere? |
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| 04:59.57 | Hermit2 | I'm not entirely sure what a grub theme covers |
| 05:00.07 | LinuxNIT | the boot menu |
| 05:00.26 | LinuxNIT | where you choose what OS you want to boot into |
| 05:00.29 | Hermit2 | oh, where I get to choose which OS I want to use? |
| 05:00.37 | LinuxNIT | yes |
| 05:00.47 | Hermit2 | :) |
| 05:00.56 | roxville | :) |
| 05:01.01 | LinuxNIT | :) |
| 05:01.37 | roxville | maybe we could get sponsored by red bull if we put their logo in there? |
| 05:01.55 | LinuxNIT | lol |
| 05:01.58 | roxville | "Elive, powered by Red Bull" |
| 05:02.09 | roxville | "Elive gives you wings, too!" |
| 05:02.21 | Hermit2 | could always ask... most they can say is no |
| 05:02.49 | roxville | yep |
| 05:03.24 | Hermit2 | but then you might have to deal with corporate influence, demands and odd requests |
| 05:03.51 | roxville | i'm just brain storming |
| 05:04.01 | adamant1988 | hello all |
| 05:04.09 | keyra | adamant1988: hi |
| 05:04.16 | roxville | i'm looking forward to tomorrow, when i get to go see my song-writing buddy :) |
| 05:05.16 | roxville | hmmm... |
| 05:06.49 | elmo40 | LinuxNIT: not really |
| 05:06.53 | elmo40 | i cant install anything |
| 05:06.57 | LinuxNIT | force it |
| 05:07.26 | elmo40 | and, when i did dist-upgrade a while back, it removed vim :/ |
| 05:09.05 | Cohiba021 | I have a question for you, wich application you use for your print screen in Elive ? |
| 05:09.11 | Hermit2 | So, if elive will let you read and write windows does that mean I could potentially look in windows from elive and lauch a game program? |
| 05:10.36 | LinuxNIT | not really |
| 05:10.56 | LinuxNIT | Cohiba021, scrot works well... and e17 has a screen shot module somewhere |
| 05:11.28 | LinuxNIT | Hermit2, are you talking about with wine? |
| 05:12.55 | Hermit2 | no, it would be in windows itself but i would be looking at it from elive. maybe work better if it was on a seperate HDD but could be requireing more resources than I imagine |
| 05:13.52 | LinuxNIT | do you mean just execute the program file? |
| 05:14.09 | Hermit2 | ya |
| 05:14.14 | Hermit2 | basicalky |
| 05:14.32 | LinuxNIT | no it dosent work that way :-/ |
| 05:14.57 | Hermit2 | ya, that would be way too convinent :) |
| 05:15.02 | LinuxNIT | lol |
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| 05:19.50 | roxville | http://img106.imageshack.us/my.php?image=redelivebg7ii7.png |
| 05:20.00 | roxville | i made that a while back... |
| 05:20.12 | roxville | coz i know how much thana likes red bull |
| 05:20.29 | roxville | and we also serve it here, in the elive bar... |
| 05:21.46 | adamant1988 | Why can people not do anything right? |
| 05:23.35 | roxville | good question adamant1988 ... next question? |
| 05:23.51 | adamant1988 | is .9999999 (repeating) equal to 1? |
| 05:24.44 | LinuxNIT | adamant1988, not technically |
| 05:24.48 | LinuxNIT | but close enough |
| 05:24.53 | adamant1988 | you sure? |
| 05:24.54 | LinuxNIT | :D |
| 05:24.58 | roxville | but ya gotta round off... |
| 05:25.10 | adamant1988 | no.. you don't.. |
| 05:25.12 | LinuxNIT | if it equaled 1 it wouldnt repeat |
| 05:25.16 | adamant1988 | or at least not supposedly |
| 05:25.26 | adamant1988 | idk.. but there is a lot of math flying around on the ubuntu forums |
| 05:25.34 | keyra | adamant1988: Ubuntu is OFF topic |
| 05:25.41 | adamant1988 | oh please |
| 05:25.47 | adamant1988 | Fedora |
| 05:25.52 | adamant1988 | openSUSE |
| 05:25.54 | adamant1988 | Debian |
| 05:25.56 | adamant1988 | Gentoo |
| 05:26.02 | adamant1988 | Slackware |
| 05:26.02 | keyra | adamant1988: Debian r00lz ! |
| 05:26.20 | adamant1988 | Ok, that's the most pathetic bot/script I have ever seen.. |
| 05:26.48 | adamant1988 | Somehow, Ubuntu, a debian based distribution is off topic, but I can freely talk about Fedora core or openSUSE |
| 05:27.10 | roxville | because they don't count at all |
| 05:27.27 | Hermit2 | haa haa |
| 05:27.40 | Hermit2 | ubuntu wants to rule the world |
| 05:27.54 | roxville | i gotta get some sleep... take care ppl :) |
| 05:28.12 | adamant1988 | Please |
| 05:28.18 | adamant1988 | discriminating is bad.. |
| 05:28.52 | adamant1988 | oh |
| 05:28.55 | adamant1988 | LinuxNIT: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=360805 |
| 05:28.58 | roxville | :) |
| 05:34.06 | GPLGeek | I'm taking applications. If your a girl and want to be my girlfriend please send your resume to gplgeek at gmeail dot com. |
| 05:34.08 | GPLGeek | mu57 83 48|3 70 r34d 7h15 70 83 4((3p73d |
| 05:34.17 | Hermit2 | I knew there was a reason I hated math |
| 05:34.28 | GPLGeek | and why's that |
| 05:34.43 | GPLGeek | math is the only thing keeping you on the ground so you dont fly out into space |
| 05:34.47 | GPLGeek | oh wait thats gravity |
| 05:35.18 | GPLGeek | ugh i typo'd s/gmeail/gmail |
| 05:35.20 | Hermit2 | was reading that link adamant posted on .9999999.....=1 or not |
| 05:36.04 | LinuxNIT | "Oh look, how cute...a "point 9 repeating" troll." <<<the best part is in this quote :D |
| 05:36.25 | GPLGeek | lol adamant1988 are you just messing with them? |
| 05:36.40 | adamant1988 | Yeah |
| 05:36.51 | adamant1988 | We had this debate in the ubuntuforums chat room |
| 05:36.59 | keyra | adamant1988: Ubuntu is OFF topic |
| 05:37.04 | adamant1988 | and then I was like "Guys, I'm gonna put this on the forums" |
| 05:37.14 | adamant1988 | so I forgot about it |
| 05:37.17 | adamant1988 | and I remembered today |
| 05:38.52 | GPLGeek | wow its already got many pages |
| 05:39.59 | GPLGeek | so do you use ubuntuu |
| 05:39.59 | adamant1988 | No, I did for a time. |
| 05:39.59 | adamant1988 | It's not bad, I seem to gravitate more toward the RPM distributions than anytning |
| 05:39.59 | adamant1988 | openSUSE 10.2 is my current love-affair of a distribution. |
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| 05:41.02 | GPLGeek | I actually know the answer to that .999 thing |
| 05:42.02 | LinuxNIT | so does everyone else ;) |
| 05:42.16 | adamant1988 | Haha |
| 05:42.26 | LinuxNIT | didnt you see all the people on the forum that knew the answer :D |
| 05:42.27 | adamant1988 | yeah, quite a few people in that thread have posted some interesting math. |
| 05:42.54 | GPLGeek | if you use the law of approximation then yes .99999999999999999999999999999999 = 1, if your round off to the 3rd place as common. however, .99999999999999999999999 just like 3.14159 != 3.14_ |
| 05:43.37 | adamant1988 | now all I need is for firefox's bookmark search to not suck |
| 05:43.41 | adamant1988 | and I'll be in good shape |
| 05:43.44 | GPLGeek | the law of approximation also states that after 1000 instances in this case, a representation must be introduced |
| 05:44.33 | adamant1988 | I would like someone to explain to me why I can add keywords to my bookmarks, and I can add descriptions.. and neither are searched for.. |
| 05:45.24 | GPLGeek | if you have more than 14 bookmarks you are insane |
| 05:45.34 | GPLGeek | why not just remember every single url you come across |
| 05:46.03 | adamant1988 | I am going on 156. |
| 05:47.59 | adamant1988 | I actually do have to use the search function to find them quickly sometimes |
| 05:49.55 | Hermit2 | don't you file them into folders of type? |
| 05:50.48 | adamant1988 | Yeah, but the heirarchy is getting to be equally in-effecient. All the time I spend sorting what I come across is wasted :( |
| 05:51.03 | adamant1988 | I've bee just using a search function to eliminate things really... |
| 05:51.29 | Hermit2 | hmm, maybe you do just have too many |
| 05:51.50 | adamant1988 | what's sad is that I use the fast majority of them, or I call on them for reference later.. |
| 05:52.07 | adamant1988 | that's actually cut DOWN from the number I did have after I sorted through them today and eliminated the fat.. |
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| 05:53.32 | Hermit2 | ya, I have a bunch, but their organized pretty well and i can find what I'm looking for quickly |
| 05:54.00 | adamant1988 | I was using an extension to manage them |
| 05:54.03 | adamant1988 | "Blue organizer" |
| 05:54.10 | adamant1988 | but it was causing my connection to CRAWL |
| 05:54.15 | adamant1988 | so I had to drop it... |
| 05:54.17 | Hermit2 | haven't heard of it |
| 05:54.49 | Hermit2 | I hear a lot of plugins do that, slow down stuff |
| 05:54.50 | adamant1988 | pretty nice... bloated though |
| 05:55.02 | adamant1988 | I'm running about 12 now without any major slowdown in FireFox |
| 05:55.08 | Hermit2 | or maybe that was widgets |
| 05:55.43 | Hermit2 | I prefer opera |
| 05:57.54 | adamant1988 | I liked opera, but opera was missing some features I really like |
| 05:57.57 | adamant1988 | like "show case" |
| 05:59.36 | Hermit2 | whats that do? |
| 06:00.25 | adamant1988 | It's for tab managment. |
| 06:00.38 | adamant1988 | You click a button and it brings up a new window with a thumbnail of all each tab you're using |
| 06:00.48 | adamant1988 | then you can select the tab you want based on thumbnail |
| 06:00.59 | adamant1988 | Which is good for me because I can be running as many as 20 tabs at a time.. |
| 06:01.54 | Hermit2 | hmm, ok... mouse over tabs in opera gives a thumbnail but i don't know if you can list all tabs |
| 06:02.25 | Hermit2 | hadn't had a need for it |
| 06:02.47 | adamant1988 | yeah you can't |
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| 06:02.57 | adamant1988 | it just wastes time to do it opera's way |
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| 06:09.45 | Hermit2 | you can cycle though a list of tabs with ctrl+tab. no thumbnail though |
| 06:40.15 | Hermit2 | good night |
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| 08:04.46 | wasynyt | good day everyone |
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| 08:27.40 | GPLGeek | http://elivedev.org/downloads/files/isos/isos/development/elive_0.6.3_unstable.iso |
| 08:27.48 | GPLGeek | for those of you starting the day |
| 08:27.58 | GPLGeek | please enjoy |
| 08:28.12 | GPLGeek | I made sure my server rsync'd as soon as thana's was uploaded |
| 08:28.25 | GPLGeek | I'll be making a torrent soon |
| 08:29.24 | GPLGeek | unless whoever usually does it gets it done first |
| 08:29.49 | GPLGeek | it looks like my system here has not synced yet (local) so I'll have to make it tomorrow after work , sometime after 2-3 pst |
| 08:30.03 | GPLGeek | so if anyone else wants to beat me to it thats great |
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| 08:54.06 | GPLGeek | http://linuxtracker.org/torrents-details.php?id=0&hit=1 |
| 08:54.55 | GPLGeek | oh crap nevermind its a bad link |
| 08:55.57 | GPLGeek | http://linuxtracker.org/download.php?id=3562&name=elive_0.6.3_unstable.torrent |
| 08:56.07 | GPLGeek | please join the torrent and get it going |
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| 11:02.57 | wizard123 | hi :] |
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| 11:54.54 | wizard123 | hi Sup3rkiddo |
| 11:55.13 | Sup3rkiddo | wizard123: howdy |
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| 11:57.32 | wizard123 | elive_users could stay here for a bit longer :] |
| 12:00.27 | nasa | hi, maybe I am being stupid. But is there an option to install elive? And if so where? |
| 12:00.55 | trog | bottom of your screen, the icon on the right |
| 12:03.10 | nasa | Thanks, I will look for it now. |
| 12:03.30 | wizard123 | :] |
| 12:15.45 | wizard123 | trog: are you still here? |
| 12:15.50 | trog | yep |
| 12:16.06 | wizard123 | what do you think about source based distros? |
| 12:16.12 | wizard123 | are they worth installing? |
| 12:16.33 | trog | source based distros are always faster than binary based ones |
| 12:16.42 | trog | if you are a speed junkie, sure, install :) |
| 12:16.46 | wizard123 | faster in what? |
| 12:16.50 | trog | speed :D |
| 12:17.02 | wizard123 | because installation is pita.. |
| 12:17.05 | trog | everything is faster |
| 12:17.13 | wizard123 | you really think so? |
| 12:17.13 | trog | well, except the instalation & compilation... |
| 12:17.18 | trog | i know so |
| 12:17.35 | wizard123 | i tried to measure that.. and received allmost no results. |
| 12:18.18 | trog | same program, on a source based distro (on which you compiled everything from scratch), same computer configuration ? |
| 12:18.29 | trog | compared to the same program on a binary based one... |
| 12:18.32 | wizard123 | first i installed freebsd from packages.. than i rebuilded everything with optimisation flags.. i had customized kernel, world.. than i builded ports |
| 12:18.52 | trog | freebsd is faster anyway ... |
| 12:19.11 | wizard123 | yeah.. i wanted more ;] |
| 12:20.13 | wizard123 | same situation under gentoo.. |
| 12:20.30 | wizard123 | allmost no speed improvement :| |
| 12:20.57 | wizard123 | i think that all ricers spread myths about optimizations.. |
| 12:22.41 | trog | i developed a source based distro...i saw the results :) |
| 12:22.53 | trog | even if you just recompile the kernel, things start to move faster |
| 12:23.06 | trog | not impressive results...but they're there |
| 12:23.18 | trog | like i've said...this is worth, if you're a speed junkie |
| 12:23.19 | wizard123 | hmm.. something like 0,5% - 2% |
| 12:24.54 | wizard123 | nah.. worhtless ;) |
| 12:25.53 | trog | :) |
| 12:27.11 | wizard123 | only one good thing in compilation is that choose additional features :] |
| 12:40.09 | nasa | Is 2.5 the smallest partition I can use to install stuff? |
| 12:44.32 | trog | huh ? |
| 12:45.22 | trog | use a 2.5GB (or greater) partition .. |
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| 12:57.55 | nasa | hmmm.... I wanted to target a smaller partition |
| 12:58.17 | nasa | ls |
| 12:58.53 | nasa | damn, wrong keyboard. Sorry about the 'ls' |
| 13:00.57 | nasa | There's no way to reduce space elive needs? |
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| 15:30.07 | GPLGeek | wizard123, source based distros, namely gentoo, did not show much gain over debian in speed. If you go source-based you might learn something though. They generally have you hand configure more stuff. |
| 15:31.01 | wizard123 | GPLGeek: i know :] i just wanted to know other peoples minds |
| 15:31.05 | adamant1988 | source is scary, but it provides the only known universal installer. |
| 15:31.57 | wizard123 | huh? autoconf is universal? |
| 15:32.11 | wizard123 | tree versions installed and app wants fourth |
| 15:32.12 | GPLGeek | I have actually used slackware in the past and created a tar.gz based package managment system |
| 15:32.12 | wizard123 | :| |
| 15:32.26 | GPLGeek | with preconfigured packages and example files |
| 15:32.52 | wizard123 | GPLGeek: something wihich followed slack-builds ? |
| 15:33.14 | GPLGeek | this was many many years ago |
| 15:33.16 | adamant1988 | I still like the CNR idea myself, either that or what the LSB is pushing |
| 15:33.45 | GPLGeek | adamant1988, at the core cnr still uses rpm or deb or whatever |
| 15:33.52 | roxville | <GPLGeek> this was many many years ago |
| 15:33.53 | GPLGeek | it just is a method of deployment |
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| 15:34.04 | adamant1988 | In that case |
| 15:34.09 | adamant1988 | I prefer the LSB |
| 15:35.27 | roxville | adamant1988, i like the CNR idea too... and so does GPLGeek |
| 15:35.31 | GPLGeek | I started using linux in like 96 or 97 |
| 15:35.44 | adamant1988 | I started with red hat 7.2 |
| 15:35.46 | adamant1988 | whenever that was.. |
| 15:35.56 | wizard123 | i started in 2000 |
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| 15:36.25 | wizard123 | hi kender |
| 15:36.27 | adamant1988 | GPLGeek: that thread about .9999 is STILL going. |
| 15:36.30 | roxville | the mental image was funny, that's all :) |
| 15:36.39 | kender | hi |
| 15:36.49 | kender | hey wizard123 :) |
| 15:36.57 | wizard123 | ^^ |
| 15:36.57 | GPLGeek | adamant1988, haha |
| 15:37.01 | kender | wizard123, finnally they have told me that I didn't fail the math exam :) |
| 15:37.09 | wizard123 | hey, roxville wassup? |
| 15:37.13 | adamant1988 | for some reason they're no arguing over equality |
| 15:37.17 | adamant1988 | now* |
| 15:37.22 | adamant1988 | I think it's hilarious.. |
| 15:37.27 | wizard123 | kender: i failed too many and i have to repeat semester |
| 15:37.33 | GPLGeek | maybe you should kill their family by sending them into infinite loops and ultimatly making them overheat, starve, and die |
| 15:38.01 | kender | wizard123, oh, here we don't repeat only the semester |
| 15:38.21 | adamant1988 | I love Flock browser |
| 15:38.21 | wizard123 | whole year? |
| 15:38.25 | adamant1988 | I wish it wasn't such beta ware |
| 15:38.32 | roxville | hey wizard123 :) i'm ok... just upgraded to 0.6.3... had some issues... |
| 15:38.33 | adamant1988 | ... managing my rediculous amounts of bookmarks is easy... |
| 15:39.06 | wizard123 | i don't know what to do now :| i need to find a job.. |
| 15:39.08 | wizard123 | but now i need to reboot, brb |
| 15:39.28 | adamant1988 | Well, I'll be back in a bit. |
| 15:40.29 | GPLGeek | so i start the .6.3 torrent and nobody joins it |
| 15:40.40 | kender | wizard123, not exactly |
| 15:41.03 | kender | wizard123, we repeat only the subject that we have fail |
| 15:41.07 | GPLGeek | people are still downloading .6.2 |
| 15:43.52 | roxville | adamant1988, thx for telling about flock... looks cool! |
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| 15:44.55 | roxville | hi Elive_user19 :) |
| 15:45.06 | roxville | looks like...i3d... |
| 15:45.21 | roxville | if i am not TOTALLY mistaken... |
| 15:45.33 | roxville | which i have been... once or twice... |
| 15:47.25 | wizard123 | kender: the same here.. |
| 15:47.49 | wizard123 | but since i don't have anything to do now.. i will have one semester of holidays |
| 15:48.16 | roxville | awesome! then you can learn how to code for e17! |
| 15:48.26 | roxville | yaaaaaaaaaaaay! |
| 15:48.48 | kender | hehehe |
| 15:49.21 | wizard123 | ekhm.. |
| 15:49.33 | kender | wizard123, If I were you I'll work in any work realted to informatic world, or maybe, try to get any extra "title" |
| 15:49.36 | wizard123 | actually i need to find a job to pay for repeating |
| 15:49.45 | kender | like, extra english knowledge |
| 15:49.49 | kender | or something like that |
| 15:49.55 | kender | LPI? |
| 15:49.57 | kender | hehe |
| 15:50.04 | wizard123 | i wanted to start french ;) |
| 15:50.15 | kender | for example, that is a good idea |
| 15:50.20 | kender | or, maybe, german |
| 15:50.24 | trog | je parle francais :) |
| 15:50.30 | kender | chinnese too is a good idea, IMHO |
| 15:50.40 | wizard123 | hehe |
| 15:50.52 | wizard123 | i learn japanese ;) |
| 15:51.13 | wizard123 | trog: je n'parle pa francais :( |
| 15:51.34 | trog | mal fortune |
| 15:51.50 | kender | http://tyrisr.livejournal.com/16918.html |
| 15:51.52 | wizard123 | yup |
| 15:51.52 | kender | :) |
| 15:53.34 | wizard123 | trog: but i'm attempting to speak english |
| 15:53.36 | wizard123 | ^^ |
| 15:53.57 | trog | so does bush, you have something in common ;) |
| 15:53.59 | adamant1988 | Roxville let me know how you like it, it's very web 2.0 ish! |
| 15:54.06 | GPLGeek | ugh i need to go to work |
| 15:54.20 | wizard123 | i prefere web 1.9-rc3 |
| 15:54.36 | GPLGeek | im with wizard123 |
| 15:54.40 | wizard123 | ;) |
| 15:54.40 | adamant1988 | Anyway, guys, I was thinking to myself last night... about how Linux could actually make it on the home-desktop.. |
| 15:54.52 | GPLGeek | although web 1.999999999999 was cool too |
| 15:54.59 | kender | hehe |
| 15:55.03 | wizard123 | adamant1988: makes it good for me and my father :D |
| 15:55.12 | adamant1988 | haha |
| 15:55.13 | wizard123 | GPLGeek: i see you understand my point :D |
| 15:55.20 | adamant1988 | I love the searchbar in it though |
| 15:55.52 | adamant1988 | you type in the search bar in the upper right hand corner and it simultaneously starts loading a list from your: History, favorites, and yeahoo search |
| 15:56.03 | adamant1988 | you get 4 search results from yahoo before you ever even hit enter. |
| 15:56.20 | GPLGeek | seriously, if I ever become a famous software developer im going to go from .999999999999 to 1.1 |
| 15:56.25 | wizard123 | adamant1988: spotlight ? |
| 15:56.30 | GPLGeek | just to piss people off |
| 15:56.34 | adamant1988 | wizard123: what? |
| 15:56.38 | GPLGeek | like 'WTF i missed 1.0' |
| 15:56.54 | wizard123 | GPLGeek: just as Patric V. did with slack |
| 15:57.02 | wizard123 | wtf is slack 6 ? |
| 15:57.24 | wizard123 | adamant1988: you were talking about spotligt from os x? |
| 15:57.27 | wizard123 | right? |
| 15:57.45 | adamant1988 | No |
| 15:57.51 | adamant1988 | I'm talking about the search bar in flock... |
| 15:58.30 | wizard123 | wtf is flock? |
| 15:58.33 | GPLGeek | afk, be back at 2pm |
| 15:58.49 | wizard123 | it is 4pm :| |
| 15:58.56 | wizard123 | 5 pm rather |
| 15:59.18 | adamant1988 | Flock is a web browser based on firefox |
| 15:59.52 | adamant1988 | It's designed for the "Social web" |
| 16:00.10 | adamant1988 | so lots of integration with sites like del.icio.us, photobucket, flicker, etc. |
| 16:00.35 | adamant1988 | integrates into my blogs, has a built in RSS reader |
| 16:00.38 | adamant1988 | etc. etc. |
| 16:01.02 | wizard123 | i still prefere konqueror |
| 16:01.05 | wizard123 | :D |
| 16:01.10 | keyra | wizard123: konqueror is bloated ! do you want to turn Elive in the same to any another distro ? why use Elive then ? |
| 16:01.12 | adamant1988 | I'm on windows |
| 16:01.17 | adamant1988 | we have no konquerer |
| 16:01.23 | adamant1988 | and that bot is getting really annoying. |
| 16:01.32 | wizard123 | keyra: shut up |
| 16:01.40 | keyra | wizard123: :-# |
| 16:02.11 | wizard123 | good bot :D |
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| 16:03.37 | wizard123 | adamant1988: windows is quite unusable.. and not very comfortable |
| 16:03.42 | wizard123 | welcome Elive_user2 |
| 16:04.02 | adamant1988 | wizard123: it's the only thing that works on my laptop right now. |
| 16:04.28 | wizard123 | uhh |
| 16:04.31 | wizard123 | not good :] |
| 16:04.41 | wizard123 | what happens when you try to install linux? |
| 16:05.02 | adamant1988 | Oh nothing bad, detects my hardware and such fine, except for 1 thing. |
| 16:05.06 | adamant1988 | Broadcom 4318. |
| 16:05.38 | adamant1988 | I have *the* most linux incompatible wireless card. |
| 16:06.11 | wizard123 | :] |
| 16:09.52 | adamant1988 | So yeah |
| 16:10.00 | adamant1988 | I'm waiting to get a linux compatible card before I make any major switches. |
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| 16:17.03 | Pacma | buenos dias |
| 16:17.04 | Pacma | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:17.05 | Pacma | Thanatermesis, |
| 16:17.07 | Pacma | etas |
| 16:17.45 | roxville | seeya later, guys :) |
| 16:21.29 | adamant1988 | roxville: talk to you later |
| 16:22.39 | Pacma | is command for tranparency? |
| 16:23.28 | Pacma | get |
| 16:24.25 | roxville | Pacma, http://wiki.elivecd.org/index.php/Xorg_Composite |
| 16:24.44 | Pacma | ok |
| 16:25.02 | roxville | i hope this is what you were asking about :) |
| 16:29.31 | Pacma | But the command to capture the bottom |
| 16:29.39 | Pacma | tranparency? |
| 16:40.32 | roxville | the bottom what? |
| 16:40.51 | roxville | ahhh the background... for thetyerminal...the root window |
| 16:41.11 | roxville | i don't know the command... i use elpanel |
| 16:42.05 | roxville | thetyerminal = the terminal |
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| 16:42.37 | roxville | elpanel ->left icon->e17->background manager... black and white box |
| 16:42.49 | roxville | elpanel ->left icon->e17->background manager... black and white box |
| 16:43.05 | roxville | ok, i'm off now |
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| 17:20.29 | dats | hola |
| 17:20.37 | keyra | dats: que tal ? |
| 17:20.54 | dats | keyra: bien i tu què tal ? |
| 17:31.48 | wizard123 | hi |
| 17:41.03 | trog | enlightenment 1:0.16.999.037-0cvs20070214 [6972kB] |
| 17:41.06 | trog | hihihi :) |
| 17:41.19 | trog | i'm up to date |
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| 17:52.16 | bentejuy | hi all |
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| 18:26.24 | Adamant1988 | Ah |
| 18:26.31 | Adamant1988 | I finally got flox operating how I want :) |
| 18:26.38 | Adamant1988 | flock |
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| 18:55.45 | wizard123 | :| |
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| 19:08.04 | kuhwallskee | ok.. I'm in elive right now.. how do I get to plain old command prompt.. not a terminal window.. I need to exit out of X11 and all that good stuff and get to a regular command prompt. |
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| 19:54.01 | cga | Thanatermesis, new software to add to elive: http://qemulator.createweb.de/ (replace qemulauncher, this is better) |
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| 21:02.30 | bouba_ | i'm on e17 037. it's amazing! :). a little instable... but really amazing! :D |
| 21:02.40 | bouba_ | unstable:P |
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| 21:07.06 | fachex | hello all |
| 21:07.12 | fachex | hey Thanatermesis !! |
| 21:07.15 | fachex | como estas? |
| 21:07.28 | fachex | me dijeron que anduviste por cuba? |
| 21:10.37 | fachex | *Thanatermesis |
| 21:10.42 | fachex | are you there? |
| 21:10.45 | fachex | :) |
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| 22:19.17 | adamant1988 | GPLGeek: what do you think about .pbi? |
| 22:20.03 | GPLGeek | bsd package managment? or the other one |
| 22:20.32 | adamant1988 | It's a BSD package managment and format yeah |
| 22:21.03 | GPLGeek | I'll have to admit I dont know it thorugh and through |
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| 22:21.31 | adamant1988 | Well, oh ok. Well I'm having an interesting chat with a person in #freespire |
| 22:21.42 | GPLGeek | though it seems to be fast, and they have many cool apps |
| 22:21.43 | adamant1988 | about solutions to the package installation problem |
| 22:22.31 | GPLGeek | we need a singlular format that understands that if something in redhat goes to /usr/loclal that it needs to go to /usr/ in debian if its meant for userspace |
| 22:22.51 | GPLGeek | mainly if we can standardize the structure and security that would help |
| 22:22.56 | GPLGeek | debian has the best file structure |
| 22:23.02 | GPLGeek | in my opinion |
| 22:24.25 | adamant1988 | Well, we were thinking... what about a "smart installer" |
| 22:25.04 | GPLGeek | use code that lets you use apt-get commands like apt-get install OR use yum/you commands too |
| 22:25.09 | adamant1988 | Like, the actual installer is a program you install on your system. It will read and install a certain kind of file type for you. |
| 22:25.10 | GPLGeek | that way everyone feels at home |
| 22:25.25 | GPLGeek | just have each type of command as a module of the program |
| 22:25.48 | adamant1988 | you can download the .whatever and double click it, the program will install it for you... it would be smart and would be able to tell the difference between debian and RPM distros. |
| 22:26.18 | GPLGeek | somone I went to college with is working on a package manager called the TTPI |
| 22:26.27 | adamant1988 | yes? |
| 22:26.30 | GPLGeek | Total torrent package interface |
| 22:26.37 | adamant1988 | already don't like it |
| 22:26.44 | GPLGeek | it contains the source, diffs, and binary in each package |
| 22:26.45 | adamant1988 | "torrent".. |
| 22:27.05 | GPLGeek | it will torrent on local network, or if you choose external network |
| 22:27.12 | GPLGeek | also it can use direct connections to servers |
| 22:27.21 | GPLGeek | DSI switching servers |
| 22:28.27 | GPLGeek | it works on slackware, debian, fedora right now |
| 22:28.28 | adamant1988 | So, it can install on any system? |
| 22:28.36 | adamant1988 | how well? |
| 22:29.01 | adamant1988 | is it fast? is there a UI? |
| 22:29.01 | GPLGeek | It seemed actually easier and faster than apt-get but here is the catch |
| 22:29.16 | GPLGeek | each package by default will only download the binary part of the torrent |
| 22:29.20 | GPLGeek | the source is not downloaded |
| 22:29.53 | GPLGeek | however if the binary isnt compatible (can have multiple binaries for each type of system ie one for ubuntu_ one for fedora) |
| 22:30.08 | GPLGeek | it will download the source and compile |
| 22:30.29 | adamant1988 | Hrmmm.. |
| 22:30.35 | GPLGeek | from what I saw the file structure was sweet, you could have just source or just binary, depending on what you wanted at the time. |
| 22:30.45 | adamant1988 | well, does it have it's own format? |
| 22:30.54 | GPLGeek | it satisfies all of the srouce-package and binary-package systems needs |
| 22:30.59 | adamant1988 | something that can be put on a disk, etc? |
| 22:31.32 | GPLGeek | it has compressed packages inside a torrent folder |
| 22:31.34 | GPLGeek | the index is faster |
| 22:31.39 | GPLGeek | you dont need a .torrent for each file |
| 22:31.52 | GPLGeek | and all the signatures come from the master server |
| 22:32.02 | GPLGeek | you cant get a bad file from a peer |
| 22:32.11 | adamant1988 | Hrmm |
| 22:32.25 | GPLGeek | but with the modes system |
| 22:32.26 | adamant1988 | sounds ideal.. but... again, we're looking at user friendly installs too.. |
| 22:32.57 | GPLGeek | you can easily say all source, no source, test install, servers only ,seeds only, local vs external torrent, anything |
| 22:33.08 | GPLGeek | the problem is that glen is a hermit |
| 22:33.23 | GPLGeek | the last time he made a program and people wanted to meet him he just gave up on the program and locked himself in the room |
| 22:33.39 | adamant1988 | ... |
| 22:33.46 | GPLGeek | he doesn't like going outside at all except to walk his dog and hes anti-social lol |
| 22:34.05 | adamant1988 | Well, basic questions about the package manager |
| 22:34.06 | GPLGeek | ill have to try to get him to licence and release the code |
| 22:34.20 | adamant1988 | Would installation from CD, USB key, or otherwise be possible with this? |
| 22:34.24 | adamant1988 | and easy. |
| 22:34.40 | GPLGeek | it's just another "source" |
| 22:34.58 | GPLGeek | it doesnt care if its a ftp:// http:// /mnt/cdrom |
| 22:35.12 | GPLGeek | or torrent |
| 22:35.50 | adamant1988 | Ok, so, user plugs in a software-key and program starts installing automatically? |
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| 22:36.03 | GPLGeek | it does switching, cd/file/http/ftp mode is one function, torrent mode is another. either way you talk to a master file for a index and hashes |
| 22:36.26 | adamant1988 | Yeah... So.. where does it pull it's sources and such from? |
| 22:36.40 | GPLGeek | no, you can click the package manager and then click a mount and then click "scan for packages" |
| 22:37.03 | adamant1988 | Well, if he GPLs it the communities could make it user-friendly and all that.. |
| 22:37.08 | GPLGeek | it can pull the packages from ftp/http or bit torrent let me write it up for you |
| 22:37.29 | GPLGeek | you NEVER want software to auto-install as soon as you plug a usb in |
| 22:37.36 | adamant1988 | Ok, what are the "Gottchas" with your system? |
| 22:37.39 | GPLGeek | you always want the user to initiate it |
| 22:37.40 | adamant1988 | I didn't mean autoinstall |
| 22:37.46 | adamant1988 | I mean, like a window pops up and asks |
| 22:37.54 | adamant1988 | to install it, similiar to what you would see on windows |
| 22:38.05 | GPLGeek | some of the gottchas is the source and the binary servers are the same so they are quite large |
| 22:38.25 | adamant1988 | Hrmm |
| 22:38.28 | GPLGeek | end-user system can choose not to retain packages after they are installed so thats a potentially smaller torrent network |
| 22:38.29 | GPLGeek | but |
| 22:38.40 | GPLGeek | with master servers being the primary seeds thats not a big issue |
| 22:38.50 | adamant1988 | Would it be able to read a package format of it's own? |
| 22:38.59 | adamant1988 | one that included source, binary, and all that? |
| 22:39.22 | adamant1988 | double click the .imn (install me now) and it pops up and asks for confirmation, etc.? |
| 22:39.41 | GPLGeek | by supporting many operating systems with one repository it can become versioning hell, but fortunatly it can be set up so that each distro can use their own versions on their own servers, but all external files like games etc. will still install on any system |
| 22:40.00 | GPLGeek | right now he's coding in rpm and deb importing and converting |
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| 22:40.11 | adamant1988 | So.. this would function ideally on any system |
| 22:40.17 | GPLGeek | you can double click not only his files but others |
| 22:40.23 | adamant1988 | fcould stand in as the main package manager |
| 22:40.33 | adamant1988 | and install both deb and Rpm files? |
| 22:40.52 | GPLGeek | deb rpm .tar.gz and a few others |
| 22:40.59 | adamant1988 | amazing. |
| 22:41.06 | adamant1988 | Sounds like this guy is making a giant catch-all |
| 22:41.12 | GPLGeek | tar.gz can "guess" or user guided unless there is a rules file in it |
| 22:41.23 | GPLGeek | there is one catch to the catch all |
| 22:41.35 | adamant1988 | of course. |
| 22:41.42 | GPLGeek | its coded in ruby, he said he's also got it in python but the python version is slightly dated |
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| 22:42.00 | adamant1988 | Ruby is bad? |
| 22:42.01 | GPLGeek | are all production systems willing to use ruby? lol |
| 22:42.11 | GPLGeek | its not bad |
| 22:42.22 | GPLGeek | its just not standard, maybe this is the app that makes it standard |
| 22:42.40 | adamant1988 | That app sounds like it could solve a lot of the problems in linux |
| 22:42.59 | adamant1988 | I'm sure ISVs would love that, not having to go back and convert their software to a new format |
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| 22:43.04 | GPLGeek | the problem is hes a genious but hes frikkin crazy |
| 22:43.34 | adamant1988 | See if you can't talk him into GPLing that and getting a community behind it.. I could definitely get the word out.. |
| 22:44.03 | adamant1988 | a universal installer for linux that doesn't require all linux distributions to be the same in file system.. nice. |
| 22:44.27 | adamant1988 | If you don't mind, could you email me a more formal explanation of the program? |
| 22:45.07 | adamant1988 | If it wouldn't be a considerable waste of your time, that is. I would really like to know everything I can about it, but I want it in a text form somewhere where I can reference it. |
| 22:48.16 | adamant1988 | adamant1988 at gmail dot com |
| 22:48.44 | GPLGeek | on phone ill catch up on text in a sec |
| 22:49.23 | adamant1988 | ok |
| 22:51.50 | GPLGeek | ill see if he will talk to you about it |
| 22:52.00 | GPLGeek | he rarely comes on irc or emails but he will read an email from me |
| 22:52.22 | adamant1988 | I don't want to make him drop the project any.. |
| 22:52.43 | adamant1988 | if he gets ticked because I'm trying to find out something about it,and drops the project, I'll never forgive myself. |
| 22:52.57 | adamant1988 | This could be huge for linux if he would just release the code. |
| 22:53.13 | GPLGeek | no |
| 22:53.29 | GPLGeek | if anything he can just anonymously gpl it behind me |
| 22:53.41 | GPLGeek | ill tell him he doesnt have to be in the spotlight |
| 22:53.52 | adamant1988 | As in, give you the spotlight for it? |
| 22:53.58 | GPLGeek | no |
| 22:54.01 | GPLGeek | ill just be the licence holder |
| 22:54.19 | adamant1988 | oh.. well.. as long as it's GPLed |
| 22:54.52 | GPLGeek | I think we should just map what he's done and just make a project where people can contribute python code |
| 22:54.58 | GPLGeek | every system uses python |
| 22:55.22 | adamant1988 | my concern is if he drops it, it'll die.. that's why I would prefer it be GPLed.. |
| 22:55.59 | GPLGeek | his biggest feature isnt even fully coded |
| 22:56.10 | GPLGeek | his rules files and intelligent installer |
| 22:57.12 | adamant1988 | hrmmm... |
| 22:58.22 | GPLGeek | I just got off the phone with him. |
| 22:58.54 | adamant1988 | yes? |
| 22:59.10 | GPLGeek | he said he was interested and was going to have to think about it |
| 22:59.24 | adamant1988 | the merits of this could be huge... |
| 22:59.42 | GPLGeek | I dont know the speed of it, or how well it functions as of now. |
| 22:59.58 | adamant1988 | it would make everyone happy, for the most part... no more worrying about if a package is packaged for your distribution, it just works. |
| 23:00.19 | GPLGeek | from what I know the .torrent files are just lists of the files in each directory and the system selects which ones to download just like azureus but behind-the-scenes |
| 23:00.20 | adamant1988 | but without requiring standardization.. |
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| 23:00.57 | adamant1988 | is it's own package format self-contained though? |
| 23:01.01 | adamant1988 | everything it needs is there? |
| 23:01.27 | GPLGeek | Want me to map you out a tree of what I think he does with it? |
| 23:03.16 | adamant1988 | if you would. |
| 23:03.25 | adamant1988 | perhaps that would help me understand |
| 23:03.50 | adamant1988 | I think self-contained apps are important, for things like purchasing boxed software and so on. |
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| 23:19.01 | GPLGeek | adamant1988, http://paste.debian.net/21946 |
| 23:19.53 | GPLGeek | you see how it works is kinda crazy... but we are crazy |
| 23:20.21 | GPLGeek | Me and him actually thought it all up in computer science class, c++ class |
| 23:20.28 | adamant1988 | hehe |
| 23:20.33 | adamant1988 | But you don't understand it as well as he does? |
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| 23:23.00 | adamant1988 | Ok, I think I understand it a bit better... and .ttpi would be it's self contained file format? |
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| 23:26.43 | adamant1988 | I think the major thing with that installer is it really needs to just be a matter of going clicking a few times and having your software installed. |
| 23:28.07 | adamant1988 | so it would have to be probably sorted into "normal" and "advanced" options and so forth.. it would have to be babyfied so everyone could use it.. |
| 23:35.45 | GPLGeek | also |
| 23:35.53 | GPLGeek | you can update the packages by part |
| 23:36.07 | GPLGeek | so you can actually upload a diff of a file in the torrent |
| 23:36.14 | GPLGeek | or a diff of the whole torrent |
| 23:36.28 | GPLGeek | assuming you dont have a noclobber flag |
| 23:36.35 | GPLGeek | IE user accounts are as follows |
| 23:36.40 | GPLGeek | fedora1 is a fedora admin |
| 23:36.43 | adamant1988 | sounds cool... I really hope he GPLs this and gets some community involvement.. I don't like the torrent idea as much.. |
| 23:36.52 | GPLGeek | he can only use gamename_fedora.rpm |
| 23:37.03 | GPLGeek | well |
| 23:37.06 | GPLGeek | the thing is |
| 23:37.16 | GPLGeek | most distors will even disagree on the source-package to use |
| 23:37.21 | adamant1988 | the thing for me is, torrents eat up my bandwidth something awful... |
| 23:37.32 | GPLGeek | so really it could mean that this bloats out of control having more than one source for each distro, etc |
| 23:38.11 | adamant1988 | Hrmm.. |
| 23:38.23 | GPLGeek | it might be best to target it distro-to-distro and just use use end-user-distribution rules |
| 23:38.37 | GPLGeek | the package would be great for companies that only want to make one installer file |
| 23:38.38 | adamant1988 | doesn't solve the problem then.. does it? |
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| 23:38.51 | GPLGeek | but odds are that debian wont switch its base system from apt-get |
| 23:38.57 | adamant1988 | That's what needs to happen.. just one file format. |
| 23:39.16 | GPLGeek | nobody will agree to that |
| 23:39.24 | adamant1988 | I know.. |
| 23:39.28 | GPLGeek | I mean hes got the structure there |
| 23:39.30 | GPLGeek | one-file for all |
| 23:39.34 | adamant1988 | it dissapoints me, exactly |
| 23:39.39 | GPLGeek | but most distros are bullheaded |
| 23:39.51 | fachex | hey guys |
| 23:39.52 | GPLGeek | rpm wont switch to deb, deb wont switch to rpm |
| 23:39.54 | adamant1988 | Just something for ISVs to make in only one format is perfect |
| 23:40.05 | fachex | well... |
| 23:40.06 | GPLGeek | and source based distros will always want tar.gz |
| 23:40.19 | adamant1988 | As long as ISVs can make one format that works cross distribution, that's fine. |
| 23:40.20 | fachex | have you seen the new amsn install distro free? |
| 23:40.29 | fachex | is very cool |
| 23:40.37 | fachex | one file, all distros |
| 23:40.45 | adamant1988 | fachex do tell, how does that work? |
| 23:40.46 | GPLGeek | I know how to do that |
| 23:40.58 | fachex | I was quite shocked, I don't know why we don't use that |
| 23:41.23 | fachex | I don't know, go to amsn website |
| 23:41.25 | GPLGeek | it's quite simple but its not a package managment format |
| 23:41.29 | GPLGeek | its a installer |
| 23:41.31 | fachex | and check for you self, it's very cool |
| 23:41.34 | fachex | even better |
| 23:41.38 | GPLGeek | there is loki installer that works on many distros , etc |
| 23:41.47 | fachex | it put a "unistall" icon |
| 23:41.49 | GPLGeek | but even that has some of the userspace problems |
| 23:41.57 | adamant1988 | Well, hell, an installer would be fine. |
| 23:42.10 | GPLGeek | they can make entries into apt-get remove |
| 23:42.20 | fachex | that's right |
| 23:42.23 | GPLGeek | all of that is redundant, it exists |
| 23:42.27 | GPLGeek | nobody wants to use it |
| 23:42.34 | fachex | it creats a file with .installer extention |
| 23:42.35 | adamant1988 | rather than an advanced packagemanagment solution... an installer would work.. |
| 23:42.46 | fachex | so, it's amsn.install or amsn.installer |
| 23:42.52 | fachex | something like that |
| 23:43.04 | adamant1988 | that sounds pretty nice honestly |
| 23:43.11 | fachex | in some distro just dobule click and faster and better than Win. |
| 23:43.16 | adamant1988 | is it self contained? |
| 23:43.21 | fachex | yeap |
| 23:43.29 | adamant1988 | all dependencies satisfied, no need to go through a package manager? |
| 23:43.37 | fachex | nope |
| 23:43.44 | GPLGeek | see thats the thing |
| 23:43.52 | fachex | I am telling you, I don't know how they did it |
| 23:43.54 | GPLGeek | nobody is going to agree to have the same depends |
| 23:44.03 | GPLGeek | or versions |
| 23:44.20 | GPLGeek | and you can't have installers updating each distro with new versions of glibc for example |
| 23:44.23 | fachex | I am more optimistic |
| 23:44.29 | GPLGeek | you will break other stuff |
| 23:44.33 | fachex | I think we will get to an agreement |
| 23:44.49 | fachex | it cannot continue like this for much longer |
| 23:44.49 | adamant1988 | But if it's all self contained so that each one only reads it's own glibc then would that break everything? |
| 23:44.52 | fachex | it's mess. |
| 23:45.21 | GPLGeek | that would be bloated and the glibc is compiled in to use on your specific kernel |
| 23:45.26 | adamant1988 | I mean, granted, that's not much better than how windows handles it but with hard drive space the way it is, the duplicates wouldn't be the big deal... |
| 23:45.31 | GPLGeek | kernel-headers or kernel-source is requierd |
| 23:46.00 | GPLGeek | you cant even use a deb from etch on buntu |
| 23:46.10 | fachex | we are why much better off than 5 yrs ago |
| 23:46.20 | fachex | where EVERYTHING had to be compiled |
| 23:46.22 | adamant1988 | Yeah, I could imagine.. well.. my issue is ISV support |
| 23:46.42 | adamant1988 | I want to pop in a cd, have an installer come up and go. I'm not the only one that feels that way |
| 23:46.50 | fachex | now, there is a lot of software companies that at least compiled them for you.. |
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| 23:47.04 | fachex | yea. |
| 23:47.12 | fachex | I am with you adamant1988 |
| 23:47.16 | GPLGeek | what we need is open software |
| 23:47.23 | GPLGeek | its ok if there are assembly or binary segments |
| 23:47.36 | GPLGeek | but we need software we can have a installer compile |
| 23:47.37 | fachex | no,it's not ok!!!!! |
| 23:47.40 | GPLGeek | the pak files can stay closed |
| 23:47.51 | GPLGeek | as games go we should pay for content files |
| 23:47.53 | fachex | I am going crazy trying to compile "pdfedit" |
| 23:47.54 | GPLGeek | they worked hard on it |
| 23:48.27 | _Lodis4 | content files are the propert of the developers, IMHO but the base platform should be open |
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| 23:48.51 | adamant1988 | I'm only concerned with how easily it installs.. |
| 23:48.53 | adamant1988 | frankly. |
| 23:49.12 | fachex | more and more, none geeks like me are embracing linux |
| 23:49.24 | adamant1988 | I mean, I don't have a problem learning to compile, but I'm a geek. |
| 23:49.36 | fachex | we need things easier |
| 23:49.38 | adamant1988 | I can learn and adapt, my parents and my siblings can't. I'm standing in for them |
| 23:50.01 | fachex | thanks adamant1988 !! |
| 23:50.11 | _Lodis4 | easy does not always mean flexible |
| 23:50.33 | _Lodis4 | just because something is easy does not mean its going to have all the features or functionality you want |
| 23:50.48 | _Lodis4 | the more features you get the more complex the product |
| 23:50.55 | adamant1988 | I concur. |
| 23:51.07 | adamant1988 | It needs to be easy before flexible. |
| 23:51.22 | fachex | if M$ made it, the Linux community can do it better! |
| 23:51.30 | adamant1988 | It's software installation, it needs to do what it's supposed to do. i don't want my software installer offering to make me breakfast, ya know? |
| 23:51.41 | _Lodis4 | lol, yeah |
| 23:51.57 | _Lodis4 | but I also think that software should install and stop there |
| 23:51.57 | adamant1988 | So I'm fine without a feature packed software installation system, I prefer that to just be easy |
| 23:52.07 | _Lodis4 | any increased functionality should be modulated |
| 23:52.13 | adamant1988 | Frankly I am absolutely in-love with the systems we have now |
| 23:52.19 | _Lodis4 | that way the user can pick and choose |
| 23:52.24 | adamant1988 | the problem is that there is no standard, and that the files aren't self contained |
| 23:52.29 | fachex | what do you have adamant1988 ? |
| 23:52.30 | adamant1988 | no net connection - no software. |
| 23:52.44 | adamant1988 | apt-get, yum, and so forth. |
| 23:52.48 | fachex | ok |
| 23:52.49 | adamant1988 | aptitude is awesome |
| 23:52.54 | fachex | synaptic is cool |
| 23:53.00 | adamant1988 | I don't have a problem with them, but my family would die trying to use something like that. |
| 23:53.16 | fachex | synaptic is rather easy |
| 23:53.29 | fachex | you don't even need to type |
| 23:54.00 | adamant1988 | Yeah, but I don't like how it handles dependencies |
| 23:54.05 | adamant1988 | I much prefer aptitude in that regard. |
| 23:54.27 | _Lodis4 | perfect example |
| 23:54.35 | fachex | why? when you need a dependency, it let you know berfore you try |
| 23:54.55 | adamant1988 | so does aptitude |
| 23:55.00 | adamant1988 | but when you want to uninstall something |
| 23:55.03 | fachex | why an applicaton can come with al lthe dependencies? |
| 23:55.07 | adamant1988 | that's where the differences come in. |
| 23:55.16 | fachex | why an applicaton can come with al lthe dependencies? |
| 23:55.25 | adamant1988 | Aptitude want's to remove only what you installed with that software. |
| 23:55.36 | adamant1988 | apt-get just wants to clean out the program and it's dependencies. |
| 23:55.56 | _Lodis4 | breaking other packages? |
| 23:56.00 | adamant1988 | yes |
| 23:56.08 | fachex | uh |
| 23:56.13 | adamant1988 | I had that happen to me when I wanred to remove gnome from Ubuntu |
| 23:56.15 | adamant1988 | I was very upset. |
| 23:56.39 | fachex | does any of you use evolution? |
| 23:56.41 | adamant1988 | fachex: apt-get is the backend to synaptic. |
| 23:56.47 | fachex | ok.. |
| 23:56.53 | fachex | I didn't know |
| 23:57.05 | adamant1988 | So synaptic is just the GUI version of apt-get really, that's why I compare the two, sorry for confusing you |
| 23:57.17 | fachex | no problem |
| 23:57.30 | adamant1988 | I like the installer idea and I don't mind the bloat. |
| 23:57.44 | fachex | check amsn website adamant1988 |
| 23:57.52 | adamant1988 | It won't do me any good fachex. |
| 23:57.54 | adamant1988 | I'm in windows. |
| 23:58.07 | fachex | what? |
| 23:58.14 | fachex | heheh |
| 23:58.23 | adamant1988 | Yeah, I'm in windows. |
| 23:58.38 | fachex | you can check what it says about "distro-free" |
| 23:58.52 | adamant1988 | I don't discriminate against operating systems like a lot of linux goers. |
| 23:59.04 | fachex | hehe |
| 23:59.09 | Seablade | like me? |
| 23:59.11 | adamant1988 | The only reason I want for linux to gain market share so badly is because consumers need choice, monopolies are bad. |
| 23:59.34 | fachex | I am not against the OS in itself, but against the politcs of M$ |
| 23:59.38 | fachex | is Nazi |
| 23:59.55 | fachex | that's right |
