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| 01:38.51 | hermit2 | I don't suppose there is a way to track the battery life in your wireless mouse? |
| 01:38.54 | Elive_user67 | roxville, ? |
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| 01:39.52 | Elive_user67 | hermit2, do you know anything about why i cant change the background in elive? |
| 01:40.28 | Elive_user67 | The other .edj jut dont stick, the old one stays. |
| 01:41.04 | Elive_user67 | wizard123, ? |
| 01:41.14 | Gwildor | wont change BG at all.. or transparent wont stick? |
| 01:41.29 | Elive_user67 | wont change bg |
| 01:41.31 | Gwildor | mebbe its a .edj thats incompatable w/ the E-version you have? |
| 01:41.44 | Elive_user67 | aha! |
| 01:41.57 | Gwildor | :D |
| 01:42.24 | Elive_user67 | Hmm but i tried both a old one and a brand new one from get-e |
| 01:43.15 | Gwildor | maybe its a theme?.... idk.... |
| 01:43.36 | Gwildor | if you give me a minute or 2, i can hop on my elive box, you can send it to me, and ill try... |
| 01:43.56 | Gwildor | its a 0.5beta2 (maybe 0.5.5) install... |
| 01:46.30 | hermit2 | nope... I've changed mine a lot |
| 01:47.45 | Elive_user67 | Its working now, before i added it in .e/e/backgrounds manually and then added it as emblem. |
| 01:47.53 | hermit2 | what version of elive are you running? |
| 01:48.12 | Elive_user67 | Gwildor, do you know the folder for the transparancy pic? |
| 01:48.25 | Elive_user67 | hermit2, the very latest. |
| 01:49.24 | hermit2 | 0.6.4? and your using e16 or 17? |
| 01:49.41 | Elive_user67 | hermit2, maybe you know whre the .edj for the "transparancy" is located |
| 01:49.48 | Elive_user67 | 17 |
| 01:50.13 | hermit2 | no, I haven't tried to fiddle with the transparency. |
| 01:50.26 | Elive_user67 | ok, thanx anyway |
| 01:50.47 | Gwildor | Elive_user67, i do... its not a 'folder'... |
| 01:51.09 | Gwildor | you need to set the ROOT BG as whatever pic you want the transparancy of... |
| 01:51.20 | Gwildor | sadly, i dont know how to do that with an e.dj |
| 01:51.22 | Gwildor | .edj |
| 01:51.56 | Gwildor | ill BRB from my elive box.... |
| 01:52.10 | Elive_user67 | How do i set it as root? |
| 01:52.34 | Elive_user67 | ok, found it... |
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| 02:00.46 | Gwildor | he left? |
| 02:01.21 | hermit2 | I guess so... said he found it |
| 02:01.29 | Gwildor | hmmm |
| 02:01.41 | Gwildor | oh well, prefer to be on this box anyways.... jsut damn laz |
| 02:01.43 | Gwildor | lazy |
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| 02:15.06 | Elive_user67 | Gwildor, are u still here? |
| 02:17.53 | roxville | hi Elive_user67 Gwildor kommer strax tillbaka |
| 02:18.21 | roxville | i mean... he'll be right back :) |
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| 02:21.01 | Elive_user33 | wtf STILL lagg |
| 02:21.45 | Elive_user33 | ooh, its gone.. |
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| 02:23.33 | Gwildor | he gone again? |
| 02:25.34 | hermit2 | yup, quick as a bunny |
| 02:25.44 | roxville | :D |
| 02:26.11 | roxville | i think i may have scared him off... |
| 02:26.19 | Gwildor | O_O |
| 02:26.22 | roxville | i typed in swedish... |
| 02:26.24 | Gwildor | the ambassador... |
| 02:26.27 | Gwildor | ahhhhh. |
| 02:26.59 | roxville | but he had a swedish ISP and IP |
| 02:27.22 | Gwildor | hmmmm.... |
| 02:27.26 | roxville | ok, so how's elive running on yer 800mhz lappy? |
| 02:27.33 | Gwildor | oh...decent... |
| 02:27.41 | Gwildor | X is a tad heavy... |
| 02:27.57 | Gwildor | but, some card specific tweaking will fix it up... |
| 02:28.08 | Gwildor | i installed from a different box....so, its not perfect |
| 02:28.20 | roxville | yeah...go easy on the animated icons... |
| 02:28.31 | Gwildor | oh, im turning all thing animated of shortly |
| 02:28.42 | Gwildor | lazy ofle me has it working... im happy for now.. |
| 02:28.53 | roxville | :) |
| 02:29.13 | Gwildor | besides... this is 0.5.X seriese.... might upgrade to 0.6.3 before i tweak |
| 02:29.55 | roxville | let's see what she does with it :D |
| 02:30.14 | roxville | yeah Gwildor that may be a very good idea |
| 02:30.20 | roxville | or 0.6.4 even |
| 02:31.39 | Gwildor | see... good thing i didnt burn 0.6.3, i JUST downloaded it |
| 02:32.15 | roxville | lol |
| 02:33.35 | Gwildor | every time.. |
| 02:33.47 | hermit2 | I'm using 0.6.3. with e 0.16.999.037. I don't know which version of e17 is on the 0.6.4 |
| 02:33.53 | Gwildor | if i hadent given my 0.2 disk away, id still be using it |
| 02:34.32 | Gwildor | im using whatever version is on my mis-labled 0.5.x disk O_O |
| 02:34.41 | roxville | hermit2, the same |
| 02:34.59 | roxville | i mean, the same as on 0.6.3 |
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| 02:36.37 | hermit2 | ahh |
| 02:39.31 | Gwildor | https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/2311/ |
| 02:39.33 | Gwildor | roxville, |
| 02:39.56 | Gwildor | might as well upgrade... |
| 02:43.47 | roxville | meh... that theme was not a hit... |
| 02:44.04 | Gwildor | just... looks... night-ish |
| 02:44.15 | hermit2 | I don't like all the multicolors |
| 02:45.19 | Gwildor | dist-upgrade == 'removing cinneralla' |
| 02:46.00 | hermit2 | cylence extra black isn't too bad |
| 02:46.08 | Gwildor | linky? |
| 02:46.24 | Gwildor | fffffffffffffffffffff |
| 02:46.28 | Gwildor | damn keyboard |
| 02:46.31 | hermit2 | hang on |
| 02:47.28 | roxville | "extra black"... |
| 02:48.01 | Gwildor | glossy black? |
| 02:48.15 | Gwildor | imo gloss is "blacker" than flat |
| 02:48.20 | roxville | "oh no, it's not black...it's blacker... extra black..." |
| 02:49.05 | Gwildor | oh, that requires scientology voodoo |
| 02:49.13 | hermit2 | https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/4370/ |
| 02:49.30 | Gwildor | ty |
| 02:49.55 | hermit2 | cylence comes in a few color options |
| 02:50.33 | roxville | <hermit2> cylence comes in a few color options |
| 02:50.45 | roxville | black, blacker and extra black, right? |
| 02:50.54 | hermit2 | black diamond looks good too... more shine on the icons |
| 02:51.10 | hermit2 | oh and obsidian too |
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| 02:51.35 | Gwildor | hmmm, might use that |
| 02:52.03 | Gwildor | roxville, whats it take to get some grungy dark elive bg's :D :D ;) ;) |
| 02:52.14 | Gwildor | jsut jpg's |
| 02:52.21 | Gwildor | F that animation shtuff :P |
| 02:52.23 | roxville | yep, MUCH better... the contrasts are MUCH better |
| 02:52.35 | roxville | hehe |
| 02:52.52 | roxville | i'll see... haven't had much inspiration for that, lately |
| 02:53.05 | Gwildor | oh, NP |
| 02:53.19 | Gwildor | get bored...in the mood...what/whenever |
| 02:54.56 | hermit2 | go check out vladstudio... he's got some cool artwork |
| 02:55.40 | Gwildor | omw |
| 02:55.57 | hermit2 | its easy to download and then surf to personal pics from the cong window and poof... instant bg |
| 02:56.56 | hermit2 | then you can turn on one of the modules and pretend its animated background :P |
| 02:57.10 | roxville | hehe |
| 02:57.37 | Gwildor | i PREFER non-animated |
| 02:58.16 | hermit2 | well, thats so convienent, because you can turn it all off tooo :P |
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| 02:58.53 | Gwildor | :D |
| 02:59.07 | roxville | yeah, those are pretty cool! |
| 02:59.11 | roxville | nice stuff! |
| 03:00.36 | hermit2 | $30 bucks for lifetime membership gets you high grade res's and more size options... but you can still get all the pics for free and they look fine |
| 03:03.00 | roxville | yeah, and e is very good at resizing pics nicely |
| 03:10.50 | Gwildor | WTFWTF |
| 03:11.10 | hermit2 | ? |
| 03:11.33 | Gwildor | cfant upgrade to iceweasel (ff2) |
| 03:12.05 | hermit2 | hmm.. didn't know there was a IW 2.0 |
| 03:12.28 | hermit2 | its seen as 1.5... not all FF themes will work on it |
| 03:13.17 | hermit2 | and you can't just click and download most of them... you have to right click and save as |
| 03:13.21 | Gwildor | meh, im cool w/ defualt, tbh |
| 03:13.24 | Gwildor | jsut perfer it |
| 03:13.43 | hermit2 | I couldn't stand the default :( |
| 03:14.12 | hermit2 | it feels naked and unfinished to me |
| 03:14.15 | Gwildor | lol.. |
| 03:15.09 | hermit2 | lol |
| 03:15.35 | roxville | http://www.computerworld.com.au/index.php/id;950557059;fp;4;fpid;1968336438 |
| 03:15.42 | Gwildor | GRRRR |
| 03:15.48 | roxville | here's a pretty recent interview with raster |
| 03:17.04 | Gwildor | damn you |
| 03:17.17 | Gwildor | its long |
| 03:19.19 | roxville | yep :) |
| 03:19.46 | hermit2 | not... more than half the page is ads |
| 03:20.58 | roxville | anything over 3 lines is long for him |
| 03:21.02 | Gwildor | :P |
| 03:21.21 | roxville | :D |
| 03:21.32 | hermit2 | hmmm... one of them.... |
| 03:23.06 | Gwildor | no no , ill read docs... dont much like 'articles' |
| 03:23.11 | Gwildor | jst give me the jsut of it :P |
| 03:23.22 | roxville | lol |
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| 03:24.01 | hermit2 | He does have a point... its about the money... but it isn't about how many people use Linux on a desktop, it's about how much money uses Linux on the desktop. |
| 03:24.47 | Gwildor | hehe, been a while, year-ish |
| 03:24.58 | Gwildor | yeah... hermit2 |
| 03:25.42 | Gwildor | a few school districts switchedto all-linux... |
| 03:25.58 | Gwildor | wich means....more students will use it at home |
| 03:26.03 | hermit2 | around here the schools use macs |
| 03:26.18 | Gwildor | fyeah, they get a bad-ass deal on the, |
| 03:26.20 | Gwildor | them |
| 03:26.55 | Gwildor | i read it... |
| 03:26.55 | Gwildor | wasnt bad.. |
| 03:26.55 | roxville | i didn't |
| 03:26.56 | Gwildor | jsut looked big.. |
| 03:26.56 | roxville | not yet |
| 03:26.56 | hermit2 | its funny when the kid has to learn the mac system and come home to a windows and or a linux system.. |
| 03:27.00 | Gwildor | you watched the video....you read the article, basically |
| 03:27.14 | Gwildor | it was no-brainer to use macs for me.. |
| 03:27.17 | hermit2 | the mac keys are set up different and the icons are all wrong... |
| 03:27.25 | Gwildor | idk.. |
| 03:27.35 | Gwildor | seemed more...natural, tbh |
| 03:27.49 | Gwildor | F( i started when os9 was current) |
| 03:28.22 | hermit2 | I've never used a mac... so looking at their sheet of paper that imitates the keyboard was not usr friendly for me and i couldn't explain it |
| 03:28.52 | Gwildor | its...the same... |
| 03:29.09 | Gwildor | replace ctrl with command... (the normal alt location) |
| 03:29.17 | Gwildor | basically. |
| 03:29.17 | roxville | i started on OS9 too |
| 03:29.27 | hermit2 | course that was also before I got my own computer too. |
| 03:29.32 | Gwildor | ive used.. os7+ |
| 03:29.49 | Gwildor | take dog out... then off to bed. |
| 03:29.52 | Gwildor | see you guys later |
| 03:29.56 | roxville | Gwildor, hold on |
| 03:30.00 | Gwildor | aight |
| 03:30.03 | hermit2 | I am a very late bloomer, only been computing for about 2 yrs |
| 03:30.54 | roxville | http://christidestrom.com/images/stories/corn-o-line.mp3 |
| 03:31.13 | roxville | the quality is questionnable, but... |
| 03:31.22 | roxville | you can hear it |
| 03:31.37 | roxville | it's an "alternative" redneck song :) |
| 03:33.36 | roxville | well hermit2 seems you have bloomed pretty well :) |
| 03:33.42 | Gwildor | plz hold |
| 03:34.23 | Gwildor | O_O |
| 03:34.30 | Gwildor | i...like it... |
| 03:34.41 | roxville | yeah? |
| 03:34.42 | Gwildor | like... fid listen to this |
| 03:34.46 | Gwildor | yeah, its good |
| 03:34.58 | roxville | thx |
| 03:35.07 | hermit2 | Its good |
| 03:35.16 | Gwildor | alright, gotta run.. |
| 03:35.30 | Gwildor | lemme know if/when you get a good recording of it... |
| 03:35.35 | Gwildor | so i can DL it :D |
| 03:35.36 | roxville | ok Gwildor good night :) |
| 03:35.40 | Gwildor | laters |
| 03:35.50 | hermit2 | nite gliwdor |
| 03:36.01 | roxville | kissy kissy... |
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| 03:39.00 | roxville | hiya DrDogwelder and amagus |
| 03:39.57 | amagus | apt tarot. what is the fortune of elive's future? |
| 03:40.00 | apt | amagus: okay |
| 03:40.09 | amagus | hello roxville |
| 03:40.23 | roxville | lol |
| 03:40.25 | amagus | apt tarot |
| 03:40.27 | apt | A card reveals Temperance, in reversed position. |
| 03:40.49 | amagus | hmmm |
| 03:41.25 | amagus | success after elaborate maneouvers. |
| 03:43.13 | amagus | what is the fortune for the USA in 2007 apt? |
| 03:43.26 | amagus | apt tarot |
| 03:43.27 | apt | A card reveals Hanged Man, in upright position. |
| 03:43.34 | amagus | haha |
| 03:43.42 | hermit2 | lol... nice |
| 03:43.54 | amagus | self sacrifice |
| 03:44.17 | amagus | that tarot program is awesome, who made it?! |
| 03:44.53 | hermit2 | its in the repos I think, it should say |
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| 03:48.36 | amagus | thx |
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| 03:59.07 | amagus | goognight |
| 04:02.11 | hermit2 | so when does the new emodule 'forecast' make it into the repo's? |
| 04:10.02 | roxville | no idea... ask the master |
| 04:10.27 | hermit2 | indeed |
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| 04:13.29 | roxville | i'm guessing it's a weather module...right? |
| 04:13.40 | roxville | t |
| 04:13.45 | PrinceAMD | hm.. |
| 04:13.46 | roxville | wanna seem TOO smart |
| 04:13.53 | PrinceAMD | someone is sleepy |
| 04:13.54 | hermit2 | yes... but instead of just current weather it does tommoorows too |
| 04:14.04 | roxville | ok, cool |
| 04:14.08 | roxville | lol |
| 04:14.10 | PrinceAMD | WOW |
| 04:14.16 | roxville | yep, i'm getting there :) |
| 04:15.21 | PrinceAMD | weather dont really matter it's like always HOT |
| 04:15.36 | hermit2 | hmmm... not here |
| 04:16.00 | PrinceAMD | nice |
| 04:16.46 | hermit2 | supposed to be getting snow this week maybe.. depends on your altitude I think |
| 04:17.33 | PrinceAMD | roxville, my girl came over today and wanted to know what is a "gaclulator" |
| 04:17.45 | roxville | :) |
| 04:18.00 | hermit2 | a gnome calculator? |
| 04:18.03 | PrinceAMD | well u know we got another elive lover |
| 04:18.13 | roxville | hehe |
| 04:18.15 | PrinceAMD | yea well i didnt say that |
| 04:18.17 | roxville | awesome! |
| 04:18.28 | PrinceAMD | i just said the person that made it miss spelt it |
| 04:18.52 | PrinceAMD | she likes our icons |
| 04:18.55 | hermit2 | after trying all these other distros on the kids, I'm really thinking I'm just going to give them elive too |
| 04:20.27 | hermit2 | I'm not impressed with freespires cnr, and I've played with elive enough now to know how to do the usual things i think |
| 04:21.05 | PrinceAMD | ok |
| 04:21.17 | hermit2 | and its easy to search the files and figure out were stuff goes and to get it to go there |
| 04:21.31 | roxville | :) |
| 04:21.42 | roxville | you're getting there, bud :) |
| 04:21.46 | roxville | and hermit2 too |
| 04:21.53 | PrinceAMD | kool |
| 04:22.52 | hermit2 | well, don't take that as me thinking I know it all... just enough to keeps the kids out of hotwater and not get frustrated trying to do things for them in it |
| 04:23.48 | PrinceAMD | most of my windows user friends want e17 on windows |
| 04:24.05 | adamant1988 | roxville: So, revdjenk came to my home today :) |
| 04:24.10 | hermit2 | lol... sounds like an oxymoron to me |
| 04:24.31 | roxville | adamant1988, really? cool! |
| 04:24.46 | adamant1988 | Yep, we worked on his laptop a little bit trying to get a distribution that could make his wireless go |
| 04:25.07 | roxville | yeah... poor guy... did you find one? |
| 04:25.19 | adamant1988 | Out of all the freaking rediculous amounts of disks I had, PCLinuxOS 2007 finally got his wireless up and running |
| 04:26.02 | adamant1988 | But it was a good time, I don't get to have a good *real* conversation about Linux much. |
| 04:26.20 | roxville | i hear ya |
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| 04:29.24 | adamant1988 | roxville: but it was a ton of fun, and it realy convinced me of the quality of PCLinuxOS |
| 04:29.51 | adamant1988 | I really think someone should buy up texstar and team and get them a community under them and some corporate backing, they are amazingly talented. |
| 04:29.55 | roxville | or dumb luck... |
| 04:30.50 | adamant1988 | roxville: PCLinuxOS has consistantlybeen a very high quality distribution that never failed to impress. I shy away from it because it's managed by such a small group |
| 04:31.08 | PrinceAMD | hehe |
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| 04:31.40 | hermit2 | nice, let me know how it goes PrinceAMD |
| 04:31.52 | roxville | :) |
| 04:32.20 | roxville | adamant1988, i admit, i have only tried it once...and ...it just wasn't for me, that's all |
| 04:32.39 | adamant1988 | roxville: That's a benefit of Linux. Choice :) |
| 04:32.46 | roxville | yep :) |
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| 04:34.24 | adamant1988 | Sweet my edgy eft torrent is coming down really fast |
| 04:36.41 | roxville | now, with a nick like that, how does he assume anyone's gonna address him? |
| 04:37.10 | adamant1988 | No clue |
| 04:37.14 | adamant1988 | but probably with a smile on |
| 04:37.52 | roxville | lol |
| 04:38.11 | roxville | ok children, i'm about to fall over |
| 04:38.23 | roxville | seeya sometime tomorrow...i got stuff to do... |
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| 05:43.42 | |elmo44| | LinuxNIT: wb |
| 05:43.46 | LinuxNIT | ty |
| 05:45.04 | |elmo44| | PrinceAMD: get that x64 kernel compiled? |
| 05:45.20 | |elmo44| | i want one for an AMD dual-64 ;) |
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| 06:40.51 | |elmo44| | Thanatermesis: 0.6.5, JFS?? Nice :-) When can I get it? |
| 06:49.22 | |elmo44| | Thanatermesis: have you repaired the Scite issues? Maybe replace it with eTox(if it is a full application, and not just a 'future project')? http://www.enlightenment.org/Libraries/Etox/ |
| 06:58.22 | assasukasse | morning all |
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| 08:53.25 | Skovanden | Morning people. |
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| 09:23.44 | Skovanden | seems like you have some internet issues wizard123 |
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| 13:52.44 | wizard124 | hi |
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| 13:59.55 | wizard123 | hello dats |
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| 14:44.34 | |elmo44| | Thanatermesis_: did you get my messages earlier? i was kicked offline somehow, and lost all the previous messages :( Did you reply to my comment? |
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| 14:50.02 | kender | hi |
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| 15:31.22 | |elmo44| | kender: hi |
| 15:31.55 | kender | hey |elmo44| |
| 15:32.50 | |elmo44| | how goes it? |
| 15:33.48 | kender | great |
| 15:33.52 | kender | what about you? |
| 15:34.22 | |elmo44| | work work and more work :/ |
| 15:34.47 | |elmo44| | in fact, i am already late for work LOL |
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| 16:23.11 | heello | hello everybody, i have a question. Fonts in firefox are awfull. Does anybody know how to fix this? |
| 16:24.35 | pelsa | heello: Edit -> Preferences -> Content? :) |
| 16:25.29 | albert | why firefox of elive isn't same ? (anybody can speake spanish)? |
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| 16:25.47 | heello | thanks pelsa |
| 16:26.25 | heello | did not think it would be that easy |
| 16:26.26 | heello | ;) |
| 16:26.43 | pelsa | It sure is ^^ |
| 16:28.19 | hermit2 | Firefox in elive is now Iceweasel because of branding issues with mozilla |
| 16:28.35 | albert | hermit2, can you speake spanish? |
| 16:28.47 | hermit2 | I cannot, sorry |
| 16:28.57 | albert | oks, thanks |
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| 16:29.21 | albert | hermit2, can you say the same answer with other words? "please" |
| 16:30.45 | wizard123 | albert: firefox name is now iceweasel |
| 16:30.58 | wizard123 | because of licenses and other things |
| 16:31.06 | hermit2 | tell him why in spanish |
| 16:31.08 | albert | ah |
| 16:31.19 | wizard123 | i don't speak spanish |
| 16:31.27 | wizard123 | hi all, btw |
| 16:31.45 | hermit2 | doh... I will have to learn who can and who doesn't |
| 16:32.03 | wizard123 | i speak only polish and english |
| 16:32.25 | hermit2 | one up on me. |
| 16:32.38 | wizard123 | ;) |
| 16:32.49 | albert | i speake catalan and spanish, and i can speake inglish "little" >_< |
| 16:33.42 | wizard123 | anybody else :P ? |
| 16:33.52 | wizard123 | and you, hermit2 ? |
| 16:34.00 | hermit2 | only english |
| 16:34.05 | wizard123 | k |
| 16:34.23 | hermit2 | I am linguistically challenged |
| 16:35.16 | hermit2 | you know one more language than I. |
| 16:35.32 | albert | "on up on me" = "one point for me"? :S |
| 16:35.42 | wizard123 | k, that's what i thought.. i just needed to be sure |
| 16:35.44 | pelsa | hablo un poco ;) qué él significa es que elive tenía cierto problema con los licens con mozilla y ahora está utilizando el iceweasel. How much do my spanish suck? :D |
| 16:36.07 | albert | pelsa, perfect :P |
| 16:36.39 | wizard123 | damn, 6 years of learning english and i still have problems :| |
| 16:36.47 | albert | google/translate pelsa ? xDD |
| 16:37.36 | albert | and why elive have a problems with firefox licens? |
| 16:37.41 | pelsa | albert: NO ONE survives without google ;) but i did read spanish for like 4 years |
| 16:38.24 | wizard123 | albert: issues with patches, as far as i know |
| 16:38.26 | albert | pelsa, congratulations for your learn |
| 16:38.51 | wizard123 | pelsa: i try to avoid using babelfish |
| 16:38.55 | pelsa | thanks |
| 16:39.02 | albert | your spanish is better my inglish xd |
| 16:39.15 | wizard123 | once i pasted english text and translated it to polish.. |
| 16:39.21 | pelsa | wizard123: me too, but if you have basic knowledge babelfish _can_ be a help |
| 16:40.13 | pelsa | babelfish doesn't translate to my language :( |
| 16:40.39 | wizard123 | which is.. ? |
| 16:41.02 | pelsa | swedish, most hated language on the internet ;) |
| 16:41.18 | wizard123 | lol, why ? |
| 16:41.50 | pelsa | i dunno, people just don't like swedes fooling around on the internet |
| 16:42.18 | wizard123 | they are jelous :) |
| 16:42.53 | pelsa | ^^ |
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| 17:22.44 | adamant1988 | GPLGeek: you here? |
| 17:23.09 | Elive_user52 | Hi. |
| 17:23.50 | adamant1988 | Hello |
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| 18:02.42 | Kallins | GPLGeek: ? |
| 18:03.17 | Kallins | rookmoot: ? |
| 18:03.26 | Kallins | adamant1988: ? |
| 18:03.34 | adamant1988 | Kallins: ? |
| 18:03.48 | Kallins | Hi guys!! |
| 18:04.06 | Kallins | adamant1988: Its unduality here on a friend computer. |
| 18:04.11 | Kallins | Im in deep shit. |
| 18:04.22 | adamant1988 | Awesome, what's the problem? |
| 18:04.38 | Kallins | There is some insane problem with the elive box.... |
| 18:04.46 | adamant1988 | As in? |
| 18:05.03 | Kallins | Right now im using the windows box here (yech!) |
| 18:05.11 | adamant1988 | yeah, don't care |
| 18:05.14 | adamant1988 | What's the problem? |
| 18:05.22 | Kallins | The internet connection dissaperas in elive after just a few minutes!! |
| 18:05.47 | adamant1988 | ok |
| 18:05.52 | adamant1988 | Wireless or wired? |
| 18:06.04 | Kallins | Im like worthless when it comes to this kind of broadband problems can you help? wired! |
| 18:06.35 | adamant1988 | but yet your windows box is fine? |
| 18:07.28 | Kallins | yes, and also the windows partition on the elivebox is working flawlessly, but in elive it dires after a while... |
| 18:07.33 | Kallins | *dies |
| 18:08.14 | GPLGeek | Kallins, WHAT... RAWR |
| 18:08.24 | GPLGeek | you have d1sturb3d the geek |
| 18:08.51 | Kallins | hi GPLGeek ! |
| 18:09.01 | Kallins | adamant1988: Its unduality here on a friend computer. |
| 18:09.01 | GPLGeek | so you have a problem? |
| 18:09.09 | Kallins | Yoy BET! |
| 18:09.17 | wizard123 | ? |
| 18:09.22 | GPLGeek | The internet connection dissaperas in elive after just a few minutes!! |
| 18:09.34 | Kallins | Internetconnections dies on my friend s elive box.. |
| 18:09.42 | GPLGeek | but not on the windows box? |
| 18:09.46 | Kallins | yepp |
| 18:09.48 | wizard123 | any symptoms? |
| 18:09.54 | wizard123 | symptoms* ? |
| 18:09.58 | GPLGeek | wifi or cord? |
| 18:10.18 | Kallins | Its also stays alive on the elivebox on thewindows sys (dualboot) |
| 18:10.20 | wizard123 | type, hardware, logs? |
| 18:10.24 | Kallins | cord |
| 18:10.36 | wizard123 | hardware? |
| 18:10.57 | GPLGeek | do you use a router |
| 18:11.05 | Kallins | D-link dsl504t = router |
| 18:11.14 | Kallins | (modem and router) |
| 18:11.17 | wizard123 | k |
| 18:11.25 | GPLGeek | ok unplug it, then plug it back in after 12 seconds |
| 18:11.41 | GPLGeek | usually those have a problem with the dhcp stack |
| 18:11.44 | Kallins | Tried it, should i do it again. |
| 18:11.48 | GPLGeek | no |
| 18:12.03 | GPLGeek | if you boot into the elive, go to the elpanel and then network manager |
| 18:12.10 | GPLGeek | try specifying a static ip |
| 18:12.20 | Kallins | how? |
| 18:12.23 | wizard123 | :| |
| 18:12.30 | GPLGeek | 192.168.0.3 should be out of the dhcp range |
| 18:12.45 | Kallins | ok |
| 18:12.49 | GPLGeek | you just uncheck the box, and then type in the ip manually |
| 18:12.53 | Kallins | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:13.03 | GPLGeek | deactivate then reactivate |
| 18:13.08 | GPLGeek | see if that helps |
| 18:13.19 | Skovanden | Sup people? |
| 18:13.23 | Skovanden | Whats the problem? |
| 18:13.28 | wizard123 | hi Skovanden |
| 18:13.33 | Skovanden | wizard123: lo |
| 18:13.43 | wizard123 | dying network connection |
| 18:14.23 | GPLGeek | Also dying developer.... or at least I feel like im dying... I'll live to suffer another day though. |
| 18:14.59 | GPLGeek | I wake up this morning to a phone call and my dad's tire is flat and I have to go fix it, on top of that I'm sick and puking all over. It was fun |
| 18:15.02 | Kallins | GPLGeek: before there was wireless one with router (belkin) and the one that is there now (d-link) after the wireless one was disconnected and returned to the store this problem began. |
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| 18:15.23 | Skovanden | Sounds kinda Linux'ish with network problems |
| 18:15.30 | Skovanden | Getting answer from router? |
| 18:15.34 | Skovanden | or IP |
| 18:15.41 | GPLGeek | ping your router, next time it goes down |
| 18:15.51 | GPLGeek | usually 192.168.0.1 for dlink routers |
| 18:15.54 | GPLGeek | see if it pings |
| 18:16.03 | GPLGeek | Skovanden, it sounds like the domain problem |
| 18:16.13 | Skovanden | Screw ping, did the user get ip/sub? |
| 18:16.26 | GPLGeek | user gets internet, then loses it |
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| 18:16.39 | Skovanden | Ahh.. check the router log |
| 18:16.40 | wizard123 | he should ping router |
| 18:16.56 | Skovanden | wizard123 why? |
| 18:16.58 | Skovanden | He gets ip |
| 18:17.06 | GPLGeek | if you can ping the router while no net access than it really does help |
| 18:17.19 | GPLGeek | we are troubleshooting not troubleignoring |
| 18:17.44 | Skovanden | Why ping the router? |
| 18:17.44 | wizard123 | :] |
| 18:17.53 | wizard123 | because maybe it is routers fault |
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| 18:18.07 | wizard123 | if he can ping router, when internet is down.. |
| 18:18.08 | GPLGeek | to identify WHERE the problem is |
| 18:18.11 | Skovanden | He gets IP and it will always IP but what about the rest of the iptable? |
| 18:18.29 | Skovanden | Disconnect the router and do direct wan to the machine |
| 18:18.53 | GPLGeek | that might be a logical step but I doubt he knows the user information |
| 18:19.00 | GPLGeek | its his friends internet connection |
| 18:19.08 | Skovanden | Plus what does the router log say? |
| 18:19.11 | Skovanden | Any error ? |
| 18:19.42 | GPLGeek | which is why I want to just see if he's got a connection to the router when his system cant get internet, to see if the module is unloading, or to see if the router is not broadcasting to him for some reason |
| 18:20.27 | Skovanden | What unit is it ? |
| 18:20.39 | Skovanden | Please say cisco, please say cisco |
| 18:20.49 | Kallins | wizard123: GPLGeek ok im back |
| 18:21.04 | GPLGeek | ok |
| 18:21.11 | GPLGeek | what did you find out |
| 18:21.33 | Kallins | I tried the ips you gave me under network in elpanel. Nothing happened |
| 18:21.59 | wizard123 | hmm, have you checked elive logs ? /var/log/messages, dmesg ? |
| 18:22.11 | wizard123 | maybe there you can find a reason |
| 18:22.13 | Kallins | (as far as i understand and that is very little) |
| 18:22.27 | Kallins | Ill go check the log. brb |
| 18:22.38 | GPLGeek | ok re-enable dhcp |
| 18:22.46 | Kallins | ok |
| 18:22.52 | GPLGeek | ya check logs |
| 18:23.01 | GPLGeek | logs are your friend use grep if you need to |
| 18:23.06 | GPLGeek | what network card do you have? |
| 18:23.10 | GPLGeek | is it marvell lan? |
| 18:23.37 | GPLGeek | thats like the most common one |
| 18:23.56 | GPLGeek | just grep for eth0 |
| 18:24.16 | Kallins | ok |
| 18:25.10 | Kallins | Just like "grep eth0" as root? |
| 18:25.49 | Kallins | GPLGeek: ? |
| 18:26.06 | GPLGeek | no |
| 18:27.16 | GPLGeek | grep "eth0" /file/path |
| 18:27.16 | wizard123 | ifconfig |
| 18:27.37 | wizard123 | see which card is that, than grep it in logs |
| 18:27.42 | GPLGeek | ya give us the eth0 output to ifconfig, use paste.debian.net |
| 18:27.56 | wizard123 | i would rather recommend reading log by yourself |
| 18:28.19 | GPLGeek | well.. you can do that too |
| 18:28.31 | GPLGeek | usually grep just turns up results for me instantly |
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| 18:33.25 | Kallins | ok im back, had to do a thing. Now lets see... I opened the var/log/message file What should i look for? |
| 18:33.42 | wizard123 | lol, errors, warnings? |
| 18:34.31 | Skovanden | recipes for pies, Kallins |
| 18:35.55 | wizard123 | :> |
| 18:36.27 | Kallins | I do not seem to find anything that is network orientated or any warnings but im not a guru anyway so it might escape my eye. Now explain for me how to grep the eth0 (pies = lol) What is the path? |
| 18:36.46 | wizard123 | man gre |
| 18:36.50 | wizard123 | man grap |
| 18:36.53 | wizard123 | grep* |
| 18:36.56 | wizard123 | shit! |
| 18:37.19 | wizard123 | grep eth0 /path/to/logfile |
| 18:37.51 | Kallins | ok |
| 18:45.40 | Kallins | wizard123: ok, back. "grep eth0 /to/which/logfile?" |
| 18:48.27 | wizard123 | messages |
| 18:48.46 | Kallins | ok |
| 18:48.47 | wizard123 | hmm.. kdelibs are building without any errors this time :P |
| 18:50.22 | Kallins | wizard123: yes it has found the realtek well |
| 18:50.54 | Kallins | and internet came back... |
| 18:51.23 | Kallins | wizard123: But dissapears when i clicj the xchat icon everytime... |
| 18:51.28 | Kallins | *click |
| 18:52.58 | wizard123 | hmm |
| 18:53.02 | wizard123 | strange |
| 18:53.07 | Kallins | very |
| 18:53.14 | wizard123 | i'm sorry Kallins, but i have to go :| |
| 18:53.29 | Kallins | It also shuts down if i go into synaptic. |
| 18:53.33 | wizard123 | so see you later, i hope you will get rid of your problems |
| 18:53.39 | Kallins | cu u too |
| 18:53.42 | Kallins | thanx |
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| 19:14.42 | Elive_user10 | what is this? |
| 19:15.18 | adamant1988 | IRC |
| 19:15.57 | GPLGeek | elive_user10 this is your new home, come on in and chat with your friends |
| 19:16.05 | GPLGeek | you can get help here, hang out here, and have fun |
| 19:16.23 | GPLGeek | you can type /nick yournamehere to set a name for yourself |
| 19:16.47 | adamant1988 | GPLGeek: sorry for running out on you last night :P |
| 19:16.51 | GPLGeek | you can type /msg nickserv help to see the avaliable commands, and register your name so nobody can take it |
| 19:17.07 | GPLGeek | adamant1988, I'm pretty sure you scared my brain for life =p |
| 19:17.20 | adamant1988 | how so? |
| 19:17.57 | GPLGeek | sarcasm |
| 19:17.57 | GPLGeek | no... I had to go too |
| 19:17.57 | adamant1988 | Ah, yeah |
| 19:17.57 | adamant1988 | I was just running on empty |
| 19:18.04 | Elive_user10 | I am just going thru some live distros to see what is worth keeping. This Is a Good one |
| 19:18.21 | GPLGeek | Elive_user10 most people stop at elive =p |
| 19:18.29 | adamant1988 | GPLGeek: really? :P |
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| 19:18.54 | adamant1988 | Anywho, I've had our conversation going through my head all day |
| 19:19.44 | GPLGeek | so ya I was thinking how cool it would be if there were one entity that developers could sign up to |
| 19:19.56 | GPLGeek | and store all the soruce code with subversion and rsync etc |
| 19:20.11 | GPLGeek | for gpl, bsd, and other gnu/open formats. |
| 19:20.52 | adamant1988 | Yeah.. I was just thinking about the things that could be done with debian |
| 19:20.59 | GPLGeek | that way you can have people easily maintain and licence software, and then have one tool that can build from source based on rules files each distro submits |
| 19:21.15 | GPLGeek | that too... |
| 19:21.29 | GPLGeek | debian is the shining star, the moon is just in the way of it. |
| 19:21.32 | GPLGeek | =p |
| 19:21.52 | adamant1988 | What if someone were to take debian releases, and add the kind of usability features and graphical polish that users have come to expect? |
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| 19:22.41 | GPLGeek | well ubuntu tried and failed horridly... People need to know that polished does not mean bleeding edge and broken. |
| 19:22.57 | GPLGeek | elive is a good example of a sane bleeding edge distro |
| 19:22.58 | adamant1988 | I know that, I'm not talking about changing anything about the operating system |
| 19:23.16 | adamant1988 | It would be debian, just with some spit-shine |
| 19:23.21 | adamant1988 | and some tools to make it easier to use |
| 19:23.38 | GPLGeek | but to release a debian that installs based on a file that tells it HOW to install for each specific machine. |
| 19:23.56 | GPLGeek | that would open computer industries like DELL to debian |
| 19:24.08 | adamant1988 | That's what I think we could get too... |
| 19:24.17 | GPLGeek | auto-install all drivers needed, pre-confugre, etc |
| 19:24.19 | GPLGeek | actually |
| 19:24.25 | GPLGeek | you can make a multi-boot dvd |
| 19:24.28 | adamant1988 | Making Debian OEM friendly, customer friendly, etc. |
| 19:24.33 | GPLGeek | to reduce printing costs |
| 19:24.37 | adamant1988 | The ubuntu people are confused |
| 19:24.49 | adamant1988 | when I speak to them of polish, they talk about CDs ejecting when they press the button |
| 19:24.50 | GPLGeek | so 32bit and 64bit can exist on the same media |
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| 19:25.15 | GPLGeek | ya mainly people want keyboards special buttons to work |
| 19:25.20 | GPLGeek | and automounting |
| 19:25.25 | GPLGeek | how can that be so hard? |
| 19:25.41 | adamant1988 | I don't know.. but I know I want to load up to an attractive and usable desktop |
| 19:25.51 | adamant1988 | I like KDE for it... it's very mature. |
| 19:26.04 | Kallins | Ok listen to this..... |
| 19:26.15 | GPLGeek | note that we would have to include the debian developers on any such project, and they would have to approve of it. We do not want to alienate anyone like buntu did |
| 19:26.22 | adamant1988 | They want easy software installation, etc. |
| 19:26.29 | Kallins | The live cd do not get internet connection from this router.... |
| 19:26.32 | adamant1988 | GPLGeek: I'm thinking we could offer to be a parallel project. |
| 19:26.41 | Kallins | Not the ubuntu livecd either.... |
| 19:26.48 | adamant1988 | Essentially acting as the "polishing crew" |
| 19:27.08 | adamant1988 | They make a release, we release a polished version with usability tools, made for the end user and the OEM |
| 19:27.09 | Kallins | But damn small linux livecd gets connected to the net flawlessly... |
| 19:27.10 | Kallins | Why? |
| 19:27.21 | GPLGeek | Kallins, did you try using the network icon in elpanel and using the activate button with the eth0 selected? |
| 19:27.38 | Kallins | yes |
| 19:27.43 | Kallins | did it |
| 19:27.50 | GPLGeek | adamant1988, well we would need our own installer for a lot of the stuff i wanted to propose. |
| 19:28.01 | adamant1988 | I suspsected as much |
| 19:28.05 | GPLGeek | but I'm sure most of the usability and polishing features can reside in a .deb |
| 19:28.23 | GPLGeek | adamant1988, we should check out what work they have done on etch's installer |
| 19:28.30 | adamant1988 | I just want people to boot into something that LOOKS as professional as Debian actually is. |
| 19:28.40 | GPLGeek | aparently they are already releasing etch with a graphical installer and also retaining text mode support on every cd |
| 19:28.49 | adamant1988 | right. |
| 19:28.54 | GPLGeek | they use the text mode as their back end to ensure compatability |
| 19:29.05 | adamant1988 | makes sense. |
| 19:29.20 | adamant1988 | Would Anaconda be portable? |
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| 19:30.03 | GPLGeek | my friend works at microsoft, he said "if debian polished a few corners, made some new icons, and had a mount manager and usability tools that worked native to kde/gtk and x I'd be out of a job" |
| 19:30.26 | GPLGeek | adamant1988, i think everything about debian is portable |
| 19:30.35 | GPLGeek | its just so open and easy |
| 19:30.39 | adamant1988 | GPLGeek: precisely, Debian is solid as a rock, and the stable releases are BUG-free. |
| 19:30.41 | adamant1988 | No, Anaconda is Fedora/Red Hats installer. |
| 19:31.02 | adamant1988 | It has gotten TONS of praise as an Amazing installer though |
| 19:31.03 | GPLGeek | but we need to see how elive's installer has done it because it seems to be way less user error and easier than any other installer |
| 19:31.10 | GPLGeek | except it needs documentation |
| 19:31.18 | adamant1988 | Documentation would be a big deal. |
| 19:31.24 | adamant1988 | Yeah, we can be that polish. |
| 19:31.32 | GPLGeek | I know what anaconda is |
| 19:31.36 | GPLGeek | im just saying |
| 19:31.42 | GPLGeek | deb is open and easy |
| 19:31.46 | adamant1988 | I think we should focus on KDE though... the tools are just there. |
| 19:31.50 | GPLGeek | so we dont need to go out of it's scope |
| 19:31.56 | adamant1988 | Plus KDE apps are amazing |
| 19:32.50 | adamant1988 | Now here's my question, if we use etch, is it safe and reasonable to load up more recent programs? |
| 19:32.57 | GPLGeek | I do agree that kde is good, its a smaller footprint, it's got awsome tools. I use Kdevelop and a few others myself. |
| 19:32.59 | GPLGeek | but |
| 19:33.29 | GPLGeek | you can program config apps that work and look like a gtk app in gnome, work and look like a qt app in kde, and wrok and look like a X default app anywhere else |
| 19:34.01 | adamant1988 | Right, I'm speaking to defaults when I talk about the desktop environment. |
| 19:34.36 | GPLGeek | We can throw gnome out the window until they accept linus's patches =p |
| 19:34.46 | adamant1988 | AGain, is it going to introduce a ton of new bugs if we put in a more recent KDE? |
| 19:35.51 | adamant1988 | Because people are going to want Flash 9, FireFox 2.0, all those other great products, and I know the latest KDEs are good... |
| 19:36.06 | GPLGeek | well remember that the support must follow the user. no matter where they go |
| 19:36.29 | GPLGeek | adamant1988, icewaesel |
| 19:36.33 | GPLGeek | =p |
| 19:36.46 | adamant1988 | GPLGeek: I hate that name |
| 19:36.52 | adamant1988 | But OK. |
| 19:37.54 | GPLGeek | UNRELATED I'd like to see openoffice and mozilla foundation merge... That would be funny. |
| 19:37.54 | adamant1988 | The point is that we should include new stuff that's shown to be stable. |
| 19:40.10 | adamant1988 | ok, so we'll just polish everything up, keeping iceweasel then :P |
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| 19:42.51 | adamant1988 | My main concern is that it be debian, even in spirit.. I don't want to fork everything.. yet again |
| 19:46.31 | Elive_user77 | hi all |
| 19:46.39 | GPLGeek | hi elive_user77 |
| 19:46.55 | Elive_user77 | im gonna switch to elive permanently soon |
| 19:46.57 | Elive_user77 | :D |
| 19:47.02 | GPLGeek | great |
| 19:47.07 | Elive_user77 | its really perfect |
| 19:47.07 | adamant1988 | GPLGeek: you know some ways we can get our thoughts together on how to handle this? |
| 19:47.09 | Elive_user77 | what can i say |
| 19:47.10 | GPLGeek | you should /nick yournamehere |
| 19:47.22 | GPLGeek | it's not perfect... It's just close. |
| 19:47.40 | GPLGeek | adamant1988, fingerpaint some thoughts onto paper? |
| 19:47.41 | s-rider | why |
| 19:47.54 | s-rider | give me a vulnerability |
| 19:48.20 | adamant1988 | GPLGeek: Yeah, that was my first thought :P I meant a collaborative program/site we can use and let other people use who want to work with us |
| 19:48.25 | GPLGeek | Thana is coming up with new cool stuff all the time. If it was perfect he wouldnt need to |
| 19:48.41 | GPLGeek | so you might say its the best, but we have a lot of room to grow trust me |
| 19:48.59 | GPLGeek | I would really like to see 64bit support but that would be overly complex. |
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| 19:49.16 | GPLGeek | adamant1988, i got web space |
| 19:49.30 | GPLGeek | what do you want for a CMS? |
| 19:49.33 | GPLGeek | e107? |
| 19:49.43 | adamant1988 | Yeah, you just went over my head. |
| 19:49.51 | s-rider | i liked it the best so far |
| 19:49.58 | s-rider | its got to be the fastest |
| 19:50.00 | s-rider | due to E |
| 19:50.06 | GPLGeek | not just e |
| 19:50.10 | s-rider | debian? |
| 19:50.21 | adamant1988 | I'm good with the ideas, I know very little about the technical side of things haha |
| 19:50.25 | GPLGeek | there are some optimisations thana has made, and he's chosen each package by hand practicly |
| 19:50.39 | s-rider | wow |
| 19:50.48 | s-rider | but arent they taken from debian etch? |
| 19:50.56 | GPLGeek | it is debian etch base but |
| 19:51.03 | GPLGeek | he chooses the ones to put on the cd |
| 19:51.09 | s-rider | oh yes |
| 19:51.14 | GPLGeek | sometimes fixes bugs and makes elvie versions of the .deb |
| 19:51.20 | s-rider | btw, i wish it was i686 optimised |
| 19:51.26 | GPLGeek | yes |
| 19:51.30 | s-rider | is it? |
| 19:51.39 | GPLGeek | it can run on 386's |
| 19:52.00 | s-rider | yes but when its optimised for i686 it will utilise your cpu more, right? |
| 19:52.02 | GPLGeek | but no we dont really have that optimisation |
| 19:52.10 | GPLGeek | not much really... |
| 19:52.24 | s-rider | i mean i think of it sometimes, who uses i386 and i586 nowadays |
| 19:52.33 | GPLGeek | 64bit is a i686 and the standard they compare i386 to |
| 19:52.54 | s-rider | i686 isnt strictly 64 bit though |
| 19:52.56 | GPLGeek | 64bit is a branch of i686 to be clear, there is 32bit too |
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| 19:53.05 | s-rider | centrino is an i686 |
| 19:53.06 | GPLGeek | but the main gains are in 64bit mode |
| 19:53.11 | s-rider | yup |
| 19:53.15 | s-rider | and laptops too |
| 19:53.16 | GPLGeek | 25% go 75% gain in 64bit mode |
| 19:54.00 | GPLGeek | 32bit i386 vs 32bit i686 there isnt much gain. |
| 19:54.32 | s-rider | well its still worth it if you wanna use something like beryl |
| 19:54.39 | s-rider | which isnt a target for elive but still |
| 19:54.47 | s-rider | it makes an improvment |
| 19:55.12 | GPLGeek | i guess that's what gentoo is for lol |
| 19:55.27 | GPLGeek | compile specific to your cpu |
| 19:55.36 | s-rider | yeah, and sabayon |
| 19:55.59 | s-rider | but it surprises me how slow sabayon live DVD is |
| 19:56.16 | GPLGeek | nah actually, just get a 64bit debian, put 32bit libs on it... if you need more 32bit support than that offers then just install a 32bit chroot and use schroot |
| 19:56.20 | s-rider | maybe because its not compiled from source when running live? |
| 19:56.50 | s-rider | how can i run 64bit debian on a centrino |
| 19:56.53 | GPLGeek | well |
| 19:56.55 | s-rider | with 32bit libs |
| 19:57.01 | s-rider | sounds like a mess |
| 19:57.01 | GPLGeek | you can branch debian from source |
| 19:57.06 | GPLGeek | and compile for i686 |
| 19:57.11 | GPLGeek | I think |
| 19:57.17 | s-rider | i could do that to fedora which is faster |
| 19:57.35 | GPLGeek | ya fedora has better 64/32 support |
| 19:57.56 | s-rider | but the worst multimedia support in history of mankind |
| 19:58.13 | GPLGeek | of course |
| 19:58.30 | GPLGeek | about a billion bugs |
| 19:58.37 | GPLGeek | package managment nightmare |
| 19:58.46 | s-rider | yup |
| 19:58.58 | s-rider | no actually with the new yum architecture its okay |
| 19:59.03 | s-rider | but multimedia is a nightmare |
| 19:59.09 | s-rider | even with plugins |
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| 20:03.45 | assasukasse | hi everyone |
| 20:03.52 | assasukasse | i have a small question about themes for elive |
| 20:08.18 | adamant1988 | Hey GPLGeek, what do you think of the UBuntu core? |
| 20:08.45 | GPLGeek | I dont like it |
| 20:09.15 | GPLGeek | they had some good kernel patches once upon a time but most of those have already been supported by kernel.org |
| 20:10.19 | assasukasse | i have a problem with the sound, alsa says this: Chiave o nome directory errata: "/apps/gnome-alsamixer/display_sliders/SigmaTel_STAC9721,23-Master": `,' non è un carattere valido nei nomi di chiavi e directory |
| 20:11.55 | adamant1988 | GPLGeek: I have good news :) |
| 20:12.09 | adamant1988 | Another developer friend of mine would like to help with what we're doing with debian :) |
| 20:12.31 | adamant1988 | You'd like him, he refered to ubuntu as an "Amatuerish mess" once :P |
| 20:12.35 | GPLGeek | we need a irc channel for this topic dont we |
| 20:12.49 | adamant1988 | Would you like to make one? admittedly my opping skills are kind of dated.. |
| 20:12.58 | GPLGeek | adamant1988, thats who ubuntu devs rever to their own distro |
| 20:13.07 | GPLGeek | but they get paid fori t so they dont care |
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| 20:13.23 | adamant1988 | GPLGeek: I s'pose. I don't keep up on the mailing lists much, haha |
| 20:14.28 | assasukasse | if please someone could help since i am stuck with no sound, while using the livecd was working perfectly |
| 20:16.05 | hermit2 | in a terminal type alsaconf |
| 20:21.08 | assasukasse | i did hermit2 |
| 20:21.21 | hermit2 | and? |
| 20:21.23 | assasukasse | now gives me 3 voices to choose from |
| 20:21.26 | assasukasse | i choose the first |
| 20:21.32 | assasukasse | and i had no sound |
| 20:21.40 | assasukasse | i choose the 2nd and no sound still |
| 20:22.12 | hermit2 | hmm, I hadn't seen that happen |
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| 20:22.55 | assasukasse | the problem is that if i choose ensoniq |
| 20:22.57 | bouba_ | assasukasse open alsa mixer and see if there are some "muted" items |
| 20:23.05 | assasukasse | now works |
| 20:23.12 | assasukasse | i had to choose the 3rd voice |
| 20:23.34 | assasukasse | how do i close xmms that hang? |
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| 20:25.20 | hermit2 | ctrl + alt + K |
| 20:26.12 | assasukasse | hermit2, thanks but i can't open again and i dunno why |
| 20:26.50 | hermit2 | err... it should be in your menu choices.. it won't open it? |
| 20:27.59 | hermit2 | if you run stream tuner and make something play, that should open it too. |
| 20:28.28 | assasukasse | hermit2, i sent killall xmms then i can open again |
| 20:28.34 | assasukasse | but now i have a question about the night theme |
| 20:28.43 | hermit2 | ahh, ok, |
| 20:28.53 | assasukasse | i want to have something ligther now, where should i get a lighter theme and how to install it |
| 20:29.23 | assasukasse | i went to get e and downloaded a theme, then put into /home/my user/.e/e/themes/ but i don't see it in the themes list |
| 20:29.38 | hermit2 | you can get them through synaptic |
| 20:31.07 | assasukasse | hermit2, is synaptic in the menu or i call by su then synaptic |
| 20:31.23 | hermit2 | it is elpanel |
| 20:31.34 | hermit2 | is inelpanel |
| 20:32.43 | assasukasse | thanks hermit2 i am looking for themes, ooffice is also to be installed no? |
| 20:33.05 | hermit2 | it is not by default but you can add it |
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| 20:33.23 | hermit2 | for the themes find in the section called elive |
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| 20:34.14 | bouba_ | assasukasse non mi hai allegato nulla nella mail :P |
| 20:34.21 | assasukasse | come no bouba |
| 20:34.26 | assasukasse | ma che xxx.. |
| 20:34.35 | assasukasse | aspe' ora sono a casa se ne parla domani! |
| 20:34.53 | bouba_ | ok no problem;) |
| 20:36.09 | bouba_ | hai problemi con i temi? |
| 20:36.50 | assasukasse | sto installando qualche altro tema |
| 20:37.04 | assasukasse | hermit2, for ooffice i just install ooffice.org no? |
| 20:37.11 | quidam- | Ô.Ô! |
| 20:37.17 | quidam- | CIAO TUTTI! |
| 20:37.18 | quidam- | xD |
| 20:37.43 | bouba_ | pieno di italiani oggi:D |
| 20:38.07 | hermit2 | yes |
| 20:39.30 | quidam- | hmmmmmm well, i need help from google xD |
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| 20:39.50 | quidam- | desidero imparo il italiani |
| 20:39.53 | quidam- | lol |
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| 20:40.22 | bouba_ | ahhhh you arn't italian:D:D:D |
| 20:40.35 | quidam- | looooool |
| 20:40.43 | quidam- | bouba_, no, im from Venezuela |
| 20:40.44 | quidam- | :-P |
| 20:40.52 | bouba_ | ;) |
| 20:45.31 | assasukasse | how do i turn on the transparence on xchat? |
| 20:46.30 | hermit2 | that I don't know |
| 20:47.15 | hermit2 | and I misread your question about OO... you can get it from the repositories too. |
| 20:47.51 | assasukasse | hermit2, u mean from elive or from debian |
| 20:47.55 | assasukasse | i just get from debian |
| 20:48.28 | hermit2 | well... elive uses debian repositories |
| 20:49.17 | hermit2 | you can apt-get it as well |
| 20:52.52 | assasukasse | if i add pan as a newsreader, will it pop up in internet menu or i have to manually add there |
| 20:53.50 | hermit2 | not sure... something will pop up others you have to add. depends on if there was an eap already made for it |
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| 21:00.17 | assasukasse | :( |
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| 21:03.00 | bouba_ | PrinceAMD ping |
| 21:04.29 | assasukasse | if i use the main elive background, how can i check if its animated...i want the one with dawn twilight :d |
| 21:06.16 | hermit2 | apply it and look I guess :( |
| 21:06.59 | LinuxNIT | does it show you a preview of the background before you apply it?.... |
| 21:07.22 | LinuxNIT | and i believe that the default elive backgrounds both have the "twinkling" stars |
| 21:08.41 | assasukasse | yes |
| 21:08.47 | assasukasse | btw can i use prelink and preload? |
| 21:09.56 | LinuxNIT | i dunno ive never used it. |
| 21:10.42 | adamant1988 | LinuxNIT: Hey |
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| 21:10.53 | LinuxNIT | howdy adamant1988 |
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| 21:11.22 | adamant1988 | LinuxNIT: PM for a sec? |
| 21:11.27 | LinuxNIT | sure |
| 21:11.54 | assasukasse | buaaaa pan doesn't have an eapp, what to do now.. |
| 21:12.10 | LinuxNIT | apt make-eap |
| 21:12.12 | apt | [make-eap] http://deepcode.atspace.org/make-eap.html |
| 21:12.29 | LinuxNIT | assasukasse, read that |
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| 21:12.43 | ghatak | Hi, how do i install Elive? |
| 21:13.04 | LinuxNIT | ghatak, click the install icon on the launch bar |
| 21:13.26 | ghatak | LinuxNIT: Kewl |
| 21:14.03 | LinuxNIT | :) |
| 21:14.34 | ghatak | currently my system is setup as dual boot between xp and linux, would i loose that dual boot menu during installation of elive ? |
| 21:14.48 | assasukasse | LinuxNIT, the page is not working |
| 21:15.19 | LinuxNIT | ghatak, you can still dual boot.... assasukasse im looking |
| 21:15.33 | LinuxNIT | assasukasse, the link works here |
| 21:17.24 | ghatak | One last question, i use my system for work and home both. would it be wise thing to use Elive Dev version? or should stick to Elive Stable ? |
| 21:18.07 | LinuxNIT | well i use elive dev version on a daily basis and dont have any trouble... its my only os |
| 21:18.14 | LinuxNIT | im on 0.6.3 at the moment |
| 21:18.39 | LinuxNIT | well... not my only OS... i have elive stable installed... i just dont use it |
| 21:18.56 | ghatak | Umm i am not sure which one i downloaded, but there were two versions listed on elive site, stable and dev. and i downloaded Dev yesterday |
| 21:19.06 | ghatak | LinuxNIT: right |
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| 21:20.03 | LinuxNIT | the iso name will tell you what version i believe |
| 21:21.07 | ghatak | LinuxNIT: I Currently have fluxbox, and there a good feature of tabs, you can add lot of terminal windows in tabs, as i use more than 20 terminals at regular basis, how easy it is to arrange that in elive ? |
| 21:21.33 | ghatak | I think my ISO is 0.6.4 |
| 21:21.39 | LinuxNIT | you can install other terminals in elive |
| 21:21.53 | LinuxNIT | gnome-terminal xfce-terminal are two that will do tabs |
| 21:22.14 | ghatak | right |
| 21:22.39 | LinuxNIT | assasukasse, is the link still not working? |
| 21:25.20 | assasukasse | LinuxNIT, i made a mistake, i used terminal, so i changed terminal icon, where is stored the original one? |
| 21:25.45 | LinuxNIT | the original eap? |
| 21:27.26 | assasukasse | yea |
| 21:28.22 | LinuxNIT | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:28.31 | LinuxNIT | DONT edit those... just copy one |
| 21:28.50 | assasukasse | thanks LinuxNIT but now that i choose the icon for pan, as is asked, how do i add it to menues |
| 21:29.36 | LinuxNIT | with entangle |
| 21:30.21 | LinuxNIT | assasukasse, the eap you created must be in ~/.e/e/applications/all |
| 21:31.02 | assasukasse | now i check LinuxNIT then i call entangle from the run application menu? |
| 21:32.00 | LinuxNIT | entagles is an application to add and remove eaps from menus. |
| 21:32.13 | assasukasse | LinuxNIT, where is it stored |
| 21:32.30 | LinuxNIT | once you create the eap make sure it is in ~/.e/e/applications/all.... then launch entangle |
| 21:33.13 | LinuxNIT | launch entangle from the command line or from elpanel |
| 21:34.32 | assasukasse | ok LinuxNIT i did it! thanks! i found that the icon chooser has a big bug, at now i cant see /etc /usr and many others are after a big white space |
| 21:35.13 | LinuxNIT | huh |
| 21:37.36 | assasukasse | LinuxNIT, yes, so i will change the eapp after i reboot |
| 21:38.31 | assasukasse | LinuxNIT, maybe there is something to remove my configuration about the icon of terminal and restore the original one? :D |
| 21:38.47 | assasukasse | im sorry but elive icon browser got crazy |
| 21:39.13 | hermit2 | I think he is using the icon thingy through clicking on the app itself. it does some odd things I can't explain very well |
| 21:39.43 | assasukasse | hermit2, exactly |
| 21:39.51 | LinuxNIT | ah |
| 21:39.56 | LinuxNIT | entangle? |
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| 21:40.21 | LinuxNIT | well yeah it needs some work.... simple click the icons and drag them. |
| 21:40.26 | LinuxNIT | dont right click on it |
| 21:41.00 | hermit2 | he needs to go into the elpanel to get to entangle i think and do it that way |
| 21:41.49 | assasukasse | hermit2, i am on entangle, simply i dunno how to restore the icon of terminal |
| 21:42.30 | LinuxNIT | what happened to the terminal icon? |
| 21:42.46 | assasukasse | it became a black box :D i choose the urvxt one |
| 21:43.00 | hermit2 | he made it the same as the app he was trying to make the icon for in the first place |
| 21:43.07 | LinuxNIT | so it displays the wrong "picture"? |
| 21:43.12 | ghatak | How about the update ? |
| 21:43.36 | ghatak | does elive update from debian? or does it issue its own updates? |
| 21:43.45 | assasukasse | LinuxNIT, exactly, nothing bad, but damn with those nice icon i have to use a black box? :D |
| 21:43.51 | LinuxNIT | just copy the terminal eap from /etc/skel/.e/e/applications/all and put it in ~/.e/e/applications/all |
| 21:44.26 | LinuxNIT | copy it. dont cut it. dont move it. dont edit it... just copy it |
| 21:45.03 | LinuxNIT | i have to go now... i have school work to do |
| 21:45.45 | LinuxNIT | later guys |
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| 21:46.19 | assasukasse | thanks! |
| 21:46.30 | assasukasse | now it works fine like before |
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| 21:50.20 | hermit2 | ghatak, it issues its own updates |
| 21:51.01 | hermit2 | doh, hate that when they leave faster than i can reply |
| 21:51.33 | assasukasse | im prelinking my system i hpe it doesnt' break |
| 21:53.50 | hermit2 | it shouldn't but I don't know why you want to prelink |
| 21:54.15 | assasukasse | is there someone that has been able to mount ntfs? seems i am not able, i get error.. |
| 21:54.28 | assasukasse | hermit2, i always prelink my systems, it speeds up alot things |
| 21:54.32 | assasukasse | especially oo |
| 21:54.55 | hermit2 | I haven't tried mounting my ntfs |
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| 21:55.37 | hermit2 | hmm... oo is typically slow |
| 21:57.02 | assasukasse | hermit2, i know it it sooo sloooow |
| 21:57.39 | assasukasse | hermit2, now i am adding backgrounds, where should i add them? /home/user/.e/e/backgrounds? |
| 21:58.03 | hermit2 | yes |
| 21:58.13 | hermit2 | wait... |
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| 21:58.27 | hermit2 | just .e/e/backgrounds |
| 21:58.39 | hermit2 | not usr |
| 21:59.15 | assasukasse | yea, damn it, it doesnt load them...why? |
| 22:00.52 | assasukasse | .edj animated backgrounds |
| 22:00.53 | hermit2 | I don't know. I got them to work from configure> themes> personal> import |
| 22:01.09 | hermit2 | through the menu |
| 22:01.45 | Elive_user41 | I have a working elive revolution disc. But I can't get elive rl2 to boot md5sum matchs but no matter how I burn the disc it crashes at the very beginning of the boot from cd. Gives me a hit any key to retry messeage. |
| 22:01.51 | Elive_user41 | Any advice? |
| 22:02.04 | Elive_user41 | can I install revolution and upgrade? |
| 22:02.15 | assasukasse | probably i am dumb but i can't find that |
| 22:03.02 | assasukasse | oh there is personal but i can't click on it and i don't see the import button |
| 22:03.36 | hermit2 | Elive_user41, if the cd won't run I don't see how you can install it |
| 22:04.00 | Elive_user41 | revolution cd runs rl2 does not. |
| 22:04.11 | Elive_user41 | can revolution be upgraded to rl2 |
| 22:04.51 | hermit2 | it would be best to do the upgrade from a disc |
| 22:05.27 | hermit2 | there is a change in kernal from 0.5 to 0.6.3 |
| 22:05.45 | Elive_user41 | thanks, I guess I'll keep burning. Maybe try new brand of cd. |
| 22:05.54 | hermit2 | burn slow |
| 22:06.11 | Elive_user41 | I've burnt as slow as k3b will allow 8x |
| 22:06.37 | hermit2 | ya, I don't know what else to say |
| 22:06.50 | Elive_user41 | I do have an unopened spindle of a different brand of cd to try |
| 22:06.57 | assasukasse | i reboot see what happens |
| 22:07.08 | hermit2 | try it |
| 22:07.09 | Elive_user41 | maybe try putting the iso on a dvd too... |
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| 22:07.35 | Elive_user41 | thanks reboot to suse and giving a try... |
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| 22:21.17 | assasukasse | hi everyone again |
| 22:21.26 | hermit2 | hello |
| 22:22.14 | assasukasse | hermit why my xchat window when fullscreen has a bunch of garbage on the top right, and the close button is toward the middle of the window? |
| 22:22.43 | hermit2 | it doesn't like being fullscreen? |
| 22:23.06 | assasukasse | hermit2, not at all |
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| 22:23.52 | hermit2 | lol. some apps do that, I'm not sure why but I think it has to do with how big the window was designed to be maximized |
| 22:24.59 | assasukasse | oh i see :D |
| 22:25.07 | hermit2 | sometimes they work if you use the mouse to stretch them first. |
| 22:25.33 | assasukasse | btw i can't find still a way to install animated backgrounds...btw do u have a link for some cool themes, the ones on the repo are not super |
| 22:26.04 | hermit2 | I like vladstudio. |
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| 22:26.15 | hermit2 | they aren't animated though |
| 22:27.07 | assasukasse | hermit2, when when i reboot i lose the setting of the audio? so i have to do alsaconf again? i remember i read something on the forums about that.. |
| 22:27.07 | hermit2 | pixelgirl has some nice ones too |
| 22:27.32 | hermit2 | hmm.. it doesn't do that to me. |
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| 22:35.48 | ghatak | Hi guys, elive installed, the X resolution is ok! but the monitor refresh rate is set to 75, i need to change it to 70 to see correct screen, how do i do that. there is only 75 listed when i try to change it, help... |
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| 22:39.32 | hermit2 | you may need to edit a file but I don't know which one |
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| 22:49.55 | Elive_user57 | hermit2 Burning rl2 to a DVD solved the booting problem. It's a mystery but I'm happy now. |
| 22:50.15 | hermit2 | glad it worked for you :) |
| 22:50.34 | Elive_user57 | me too. |
| 22:50.54 | mathmanp | ghatak:edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf refresh rate is in the monitor section |
| 22:51.08 | Elive_user57 | Is this channel populated with users or are there devs here to thank? |
| 22:52.09 | Begasus | if Thanatermesis_ is awake ;) |
| 22:52.11 | hermit2 | devs are here too |
| 22:53.25 | Elive_user57 | Well then to all the Devs... This is beautiful. You converted a longtime Suse / KDE user in less than 5 minutes of me booting from cd. |
| 22:53.42 | amagus | lol |
| 22:53.49 | amagus | easy |
| 22:54.01 | amagus | ;) |
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| 22:54.18 | Begasus | nice :) |
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| 23:04.06 | quidam- | IM BACK xD |
| 23:04.12 | trog | hi :) |
| 23:04.15 | quidam- | como estas roxville ? :-P |
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| 23:04.45 | ghatak | This is frustrating, i can not change the monitor refresh rate to 70, please help |
| 23:04.54 | hermit2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:05.37 | roxville | also opening elpanel and choosing the monitor setup there, should help |
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| 23:05.54 | ghatak | hermit2: i have done that with no effect, |
| 23:06.01 | roxville | quidam-, muy bien, gracias! et tu? |
| 23:06.11 | ghatak | roxville: that only gives the option of 75Hz |
| 23:06.16 | quidam- | roxville, bien :-D |
| 23:06.43 | roxville | ghatak, then dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 23:09.12 | adamant1988 | roxville: you around? |
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| 23:10.34 | adamant1988 | roxville: come in? |
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| 23:17.19 | assasukasse | is there anyone that was able to set up sudo instead of su? i dun want to use so often the root pwd |
| 23:18.07 | trog | assasukasse: sure, what do you want to use it for ? |
| 23:19.02 | assasukasse | i wanna use instead of using root |
| 23:20.29 | trog | put this line at the end of /etc/sudoers : "assasuka ALL = NOPASSWD :ALL" |
| 23:20.34 | trog | without the quotes... |
| 23:20.43 | trog | and i'm assuming that your username is 'assasuka' |
| 23:23.01 | trog | you can use 'sudo su' very quickly this way |
| 23:23.19 | trog | and of course, be carefull that noone beside you, logs in using your account |
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| 23:47.38 | assasukasse | greatttt this os is great if only i was able to make the animated wallpaper work it would be perfect |
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| 23:52.04 | hermit2 | did you try installing e17-bg-elive-stars from synaptic? |
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