| 00:00.21 | pyc | does anybody know what raster is talking about a method for fast boot? |
| 00:00.48 | pyc | its a video presentation found in #e |
| 00:02.02 | hermit2 | I think I saw that... gets into some deep coding. something about the way things are called and cached and release the mem in set blocks |
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| 00:03.21 | pyc | i wonder, if that has already materialize, cause i sure many would like to try it |
| 00:05.45 | hermit2 | no idea, I'm sure it goes to future version of E though |
| 00:09.12 | elmo40 | hermit2: maybe the chaps at E want to make a 'complete' OS ? from bios to media player, browser to cpu controls... |
| 00:11.35 | hermit2 | I don |
| 00:11.46 | hermit2 | t think thats what they are after.. |
| 00:11.55 | hermit2 | but I could be wrong |
| 00:12.02 | elmo40 | it would be interesting! |
| 00:12.10 | elmo40 | but take them FOREVER to organize all that. |
| 00:12.35 | GPLGeek | im back, whats up |
| 00:12.41 | GPLGeek | people have been talkin about me? |
| 00:12.57 | elmo40 | GPLGeek: never... |
| 00:13.04 | hermit2 | from what I understood it was based on the idea of all the things that open and run when you turn on the system |
| 00:13.08 | elmo40 | ~GPLGeek |
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| 00:13.52 | GPLGeek | oh E doe snot plan to make a full os |
| 00:14.10 | GPLGeek | its just a desktop environment |
| 00:14.13 | GPLGeek | with a few apps |
| 00:14.26 | elmo40 | few? many! |
| 00:14.40 | GPLGeek | some people put E themes on grub |
| 00:14.42 | elmo40 | picture viewer, media player, something else, and some more... |
| 00:14.44 | GPLGeek | but its still just grub |
| 00:14.55 | hermit2 | all the wm have apps made for them and their libraries |
| 00:14.57 | GPLGeek | ya, users love edje and they start making stuff |
| 00:15.38 | hermit2 | having more of the basic apps done in efl libraries would be very cool |
| 00:15.58 | elmo40 | maybe i should become a computer vegetable, and learn E. Design some apps for them, test new things, make it run(and look) GOOD |
| 00:16.30 | hermit2 | I don't think you need to be a computer vegetable to do that :) |
| 00:16.58 | elmo40 | well, would add to the resume very quickly! |
| 00:17.07 | hermit2 | lol |
| 00:17.31 | elmo40 | 1 solid week of tinkering with all that E has to offer... finding bugs, reporting errors, building designs/layouts/app configurations |
| 00:17.39 | keyra | elmo40: http://bugs.elivecd.org |
| 00:17.40 | pyc | i for one is waiting for EWL to stabilize |
| 00:17.41 | GPLGeek | I think E has been around for a long time and still does not have a complete product. It's pretty much most everything I need but I'm getting all sorts of complaints from end users. |
| 00:17.46 | GPLGeek | It's great for the power user. |
| 00:17.48 | hermit2 | getting sound to run multiple sounds from different sources would be a huge boon |
| 00:18.26 | GPLGeek | and for me Elive is the thing where I can use or install it and it "just works" I only have to apt-get 2 things, and edit 3 lines and its perfect for me |
| 00:18.29 | elmo40 | what is this elskconf-elive ? |
| 00:18.36 | elmo40 | i have upgraded it 3 times today! |
| 00:18.42 | hermit2 | It works for me and I wouldn't really concider myself a power user |
| 00:19.17 | hermit2 | elskconf is the thing that lets you conf elive the way you want it |
| 00:19.21 | GPLGeek | how many years has it been that people have been whining "why can't I right click something and hit a create shortcut button" |
| 00:19.30 | GPLGeek | going to .desktop is great |
| 00:19.45 | elmo40 | hermit2: ya, sound out of 3 or more apps at a time would be great! When I use Skype, my xmms crashes... drives me nuts. |
| 00:20.08 | GPLGeek | I hate linux audio |
| 00:20.12 | hermit2 | if I have xmms on nothing else will make sound |
| 00:20.15 | elmo40 | although, using xmms and watching a flash video (a la youtube) works. Must be a different way to 'hit' the sound card |
| 00:20.16 | GPLGeek | Honestly I have to use windows for some of the things I do |
| 00:20.58 | GPLGeek | because I have to talk and game at the same time, and even listen to music as well. |
| 00:20.58 | hermit2 | the only thing I need windows for is the damn games |
| 00:20.58 | GPLGeek | with linux its one or the other or the other |
| 00:21.02 | elmo40 | GPLGeek: exactly! Teamspeak + UT2k4 doesnt work! :/ So Sad. |
| 00:21.13 | GPLGeek | so I got a system with virtual machines, and the windows is cut very light, with cygwin. |
| 00:21.22 | elmo40 | nice ;) |
| 00:21.27 | GPLGeek | same issue with xmms/skype |
| 00:21.38 | GPLGeek | xmms unhandled exceptions |
| 00:21.46 | GPLGeek | when device is perverted |
| 00:21.52 | GPLGeek | translation |
| 00:21.57 | GPLGeek | linux has a queued sound |
| 00:23.00 | GPLGeek | when you try to stream sound to it |
| 00:23.00 | GPLGeek | and queue another sound |
| 00:23.00 | GPLGeek | BREAK! |
| 00:23.01 | hermit2 | sucks |
| 00:23.01 | GPLGeek | we should be able to use one sound per channel, and even have virtual channel blending |
| 00:23.01 | GPLGeek | we should be able to run at least 32 sounds lossless at once |
| 00:23.02 | GPLGeek | and queue or wrap up to 128 sounds |
| 00:23.02 | elmo40 | for sure! |
| 00:23.03 | GPLGeek | and queue over 256 sounds |
| 00:23.03 | hermit2 | it can't be rocket science to do that can it... |
| 00:23.15 | GPLGeek | everyone else has a good sound server why can't linux |
| 00:23.15 | elmo40 | seems like linux sound is 1-bit :/ I want 32-bit sound!!! |
| 00:23.32 | hermit2 | or is it that no one wants to take on the challenge of rebuilding the sound handlers |
| 00:23.35 | GPLGeek | its not about bits as it is channels |
| 00:23.47 | GPLGeek | that and look |
| 00:23.53 | GPLGeek | alsa is a oss wrapper |
| 00:23.54 | elmo40 | GPLGeek: it was a different analogy, thats all ;) |
| 00:23.59 | GPLGeek | people still program new things with oss |
| 00:24.04 | GPLGeek | instead of the new alsa |
| 00:24.11 | GPLGeek | so some programs use alsa some arts |
| 00:24.16 | GPLGeek | some games openal |
| 00:24.50 | GPLGeek | We should all move to openal, maybe offer a legacy wrapper for it, and port as many programs as we can. Offer a multi-channel driver for every device. |
| 00:25.34 | elmo40 | GPLGeek: make a media player (a la xmms) that uses OpenAL! Wouldnt that solve many issues? |
| 00:26.09 | GPLGeek | all programs have to be running the same sound server, that supports multi-threading and multi-channels |
| 00:26.24 | hermit2 | it would have to be able to use any format so no matter what the user asked it to play it just works |
| 00:27.28 | hermit2 | I hear it is a pain in the butt to code for multithreading |
| 00:28.17 | elmo40 | i wonder how Studio64 deals with it! It is the 64-bit deb based distro designed for audio/video editing. |
| 00:28.56 | hermit2 | hmm... that would be interesting to know |
| 00:29.26 | elmo40 | ya, if only i still had a 64-bit system |
| 00:29.28 | elmo40 | grrr |
| 00:31.32 | GPLGeek | what system do you have |
| 00:35.05 | GPLGeek | mandriva used to have a soundwrapper |
| 00:35.07 | GPLGeek | that worked well |
| 00:35.15 | GPLGeek | but thats dead and gone now |
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| 01:13.39 | dats | eps |
| 01:14.36 | TuxMeister | hey guys! |
| 01:16.41 | dats | hey TuxMeister :) |
| 01:16.49 | TuxMeister | sup dats |
| 01:16.55 | TuxMeister | how are ya doing? |
| 01:17.11 | dats | i try to translate e17 into catalan language |
| 01:17.48 | dats | but ... i need more information and if is possible, somebody who help me for make this task :S |
| 01:18.16 | dats | but well ... i decide to do it ... and i 'm going to do this :P |
| 01:18.44 | Seablade | Dang it I missed a conversation on audio handling... |
| 01:18.47 | Seablade | HehHeh |
| 01:18.54 | TuxMeister | ah, molt be... doncs si necessites ajuda, ja saps ;) |
| 01:19.05 | dats | joder!! |
| 01:19.15 | dats | TuxMeister: query |
| 01:19.19 | TuxMeister | visca, de cop parlo catala, quines coses xD |
| 01:19.40 | Seablade | Elmo40: For the record, Studio 64 and most pro audio distros all use Jack for their audio handling |
| 01:19.55 | Seablade | Most pro-audio packages are built with Jack |
| 01:20.00 | Seablade | err Jack support |
| 01:20.04 | Seablade | Some even require it |
| 01:20.20 | Seablade | There is a couple of ways to get software mixing on Linux, unfortunatly none with OSS that I know of |
| 01:20.33 | Seablade | ALSA however has the dmix plugins you can set up if you are confident to do it |
| 01:20.53 | Seablade | Jack obviously ahndles it built in as that is part of its function |
| 01:21.26 | Seablade | Unfortunatly even with the ALSA/Jack plugins somethings designed for Alsa do not work well, for instance I can't get Flash to play nicely on my workstation with the ALSA/Jack plugin |
| 01:21.38 | Seablade | But I don't have much of a problem with anything else |
| 01:21.46 | keyra | Seablade: don't ask to ask, ask your problem |
| 01:22.06 | Seablade | Ill try to keep that in mind Keyra... unfortunatly I didn't ask a question;) |
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| 01:29.14 | hermit2 | problem |
| 01:29.35 | hermit2 | hmm.. maybe not |
| 01:29.53 | Seablade | Its not a problem... its a 'feature' |
| 01:29.58 | Seablade | Oh wait its not MS here is it? |
| 01:30.36 | hermit2 | lol... I was tryijng to see if keyra triggered on the word problem |
| 01:31.56 | Seablade | nope, but apparently Keyra doesn't like long winded explanations;) |
| 01:32.16 | hermit2 | that may be it. :) |
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| 02:23.02 | elmo40 | Seablade: i have heard about Jack. How do you implement it? |
| 02:25.10 | elmo40 | do you remove alsa/oss and use jack? |
| 02:27.51 | elmo40 | can someone translate this to me? We just got spamed in another linux room, but the page is in espanol, i think: http://www.codigolibre.org/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=viewdownload&cid=1 |
| 02:28.08 | elmo40 | books about Linux? That is what I gather so far :P |
| 02:29.54 | hermit2 | gnu made easy and basic linux need to get certified.. its spanish though... my guesses are not 100% acurate |
| 02:30.16 | elmo40 | wonder how accurate the books will be!? |
| 02:30.29 | hermit2 | lol |
| 02:31.49 | hermit2 | hmm... I think it is the first of 5 manuals nessecary for certification :) |
| 02:32.03 | hermit2 | were they trying to get you to read the manual? |
| 02:32.08 | elmo40 | oh? which certification? |
| 02:32.21 | hermit2 | gnu |
| 02:32.32 | elmo40 | one post from mr_book. only a link. that is all there was. |
| 02:33.44 | dats | bye |
| 02:33.54 | hermit2 | those books are written in spanish... you may need to look elsewhere for something you can use |
| 02:34.57 | elmo40 | hermit2: i wasnt looking anywhere ;) Someone (a bot maybe) spamed the room with that link |
| 02:35.27 | hermit2 | lol... for people interested in an introduction in systemsgnu based on ubuntu 6.06 |
| 02:35.35 | keyra | hermit2: ubuntu is off topic |
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| 02:35.37 | ututox | http://www.codigolibre.org/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=viewdownload&cid=1 |
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| 02:35.52 | elmo40 | damn, there it is again! |
| 02:35.56 | elmo40 | different name, though |
| 02:36.07 | hermit2 | lol... too funny... and I'm just having fun with attempting to translate |
| 02:36.36 | elmo40 | how to end that? |
| 02:36.48 | hermit2 | well isn't that intersting... |
| 02:37.21 | elmo40 | i was thinking of getting 'certified' |
| 02:37.26 | elmo40 | just cost so much! |
| 02:38.12 | hermit2 | ya it does |
| 02:38.41 | hermit2 | I looked into it and couldn't reconcile the cost for the worth |
| 02:39.02 | elmo40 | over $2000, and their website is NOT very informative. |
| 02:39.16 | elmo40 | the LPI, linux professional institute. |
| 02:39.29 | elmo40 | a while back, i was also looking into the RH certs |
| 02:39.30 | hermit2 | i figure there has to be a better way. |
| 02:39.56 | hermit2 | the test themselves are pretty pricey let alone trying to take a course or two |
| 02:42.10 | hermit2 | though I think to be truely effective and competitive in real work situations you need to be fluent in at least linux and windows.. bsd isn't bad either |
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| 02:46.01 | Elive_user72 | buenas |
| 02:46.02 | Elive_user72 | hello |
| 02:46.09 | keyra | Elive_user72: nas nas |
| 02:46.10 | Elive_user72 | no one connected? |
| 02:46.14 | Elive_user72 | buenas |
| 02:46.17 | keyra | Elive_user72: hi |
| 02:46.18 | Elive_user72 | esta el thana? |
| 02:46.29 | Elive_user72 | hi, thana is alive? |
| 02:46.47 | Elive_user72 | ubuntu |
| 02:46.54 | Elive_user72 | keyra bot¿?? |
| 02:46.56 | keyra | Elive_user72: ubuntu is off topic |
| 02:47.03 | Elive_user72 | xd |
| 02:47.04 | keyra | Elive_user72: bot |
| 02:47.17 | Elive_user72 | Thanatermesis, ey |
| 02:47.24 | Elive_user72 | Thanatermesis, soy MrSandman |
| 02:47.31 | Elive_user72 | estas por ahi compi? |
| 02:47.39 | Elive_user72 | 2.6.18-elive |
| 02:47.44 | Elive_user72 | ^__^ |
| 02:48.13 | Elive_user72 | le hemos metio el 2.6.18 por que no cojia la ipw3945 |
| 02:48.14 | Elive_user72 | ls wifi |
| 02:48.56 | Elive_user72 | en fin, a ver si en alguna devoluder o proxima estable le metes el sub sistema ieee y el modulo para la ipw3945 |
| 02:49.01 | Elive_user72 | te dejo, enga peña |
| 02:49.02 | Elive_user72 | deu |
| 02:52.14 | Seablade | Elmo40: Heh sorry ducking back and forth between this and History of the World on another desktop;) |
| 02:52.29 | Seablade | Elmo40: Jack has many different possible backends, the easiest for most linux folks is ALSA |
| 02:52.34 | Seablade | So it runs on top of ALSA |
| 02:53.54 | Seablade | Like anything else programs are written to take advantage of it, unlike other sound issues on Linux, for pro audio programs it is generally accepted to be the standard |
| 02:54.14 | Seablade | Well for open source pro-audio programs anyways, there are some closed source audio programs that still use OSS for some god awful reason |
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| 02:54.40 | Seablade | At any rate, the other method I use it is via the Alsa-Jack plugin, which requires setting up a asound.rc file |
| 02:55.17 | elmo40 | well, teamspeak & unreal tournament is a nice combination i miss while under Linux. |
| 02:55.17 | Seablade | Unfortunatly there are limited consumer based programs that use Jack, MPlayer for instance does, but Flash does not |
| 02:55.32 | elmo40 | but the program needs to use Jack in order to make the sound work? |
| 02:55.36 | Seablade | Do they generally require ALSA? |
| 02:55.44 | elmo40 | i have no idea |
| 02:56.01 | Seablade | Do they run on Linux at all? |
| 02:56.19 | elmo40 | yes |
| 02:56.20 | elmo40 | both |
| 02:56.27 | elmo40 | apt-get isntall teamspeak-client |
| 02:56.36 | Seablade | Got a webpage for me to look at the requirements? |
| 02:56.48 | Seablade | Not running on elive at the moment |
| 02:57.06 | elmo40 | goteamspeak.com |
| 02:57.18 | elmo40 | as for unreal tournament... i dont know. |
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| 02:58.47 | elmo40 | whatever this means: 100% DirectX 9.0c compatible 16-bit sound card |
| 02:58.58 | elmo40 | as for the software? i dont know what Unreal uses. |
| 02:59.31 | Seablade | Hmm looking at teamspeak now... looks like at first glance it uses OSS emulation of ALSA |
| 02:59.46 | Seablade | Unfortunatly this goes back to what I mentioned about crappy applications still using OSS |
| 03:00.01 | Seablade | OSS uses a blocking structure that prevents other programs from accessing the sound when it is |
| 03:00.02 | elmo40 | but they do use OpenGL (I think) LOL. There is a native Linux install file, and works MUCH better when you use the ATI drivers. |
| 03:00.24 | Seablade | You could TRY, and key word is try, to set up dmix with your alsa install |
| 03:00.35 | Seablade | But unfortunatly I am not sure if that will help when going through OSS emulation |
| 03:00.41 | Seablade | OpenGL is seperate from the audio |
| 03:00.45 | Seablade | OpenGL only handles graphics |
| 03:01.18 | Seablade | The audio in this case for teamspeak appears to be handled by OSS, unfortunatly OSS is crap so most people use ALSA which has built in emulation of OSS, but due to the way OSS works, it tends to eb annoying |
| 03:01.23 | elmo40 | ya, i know. but if they use that, why not openAL? |
| 03:01.34 | Seablade | It was the absolute worst choice they could have gone for for such a program |
| 03:01.45 | elmo40 | openAL ? |
| 03:01.56 | Seablade | OpenAL is pretty unused in comparison to OpenGL |
| 03:01.56 | elmo40 | i thought it handled multiple requests |
| 03:02.00 | hermit2 | because for some unknown reason developers think oss is easier to code for |
| 03:02.16 | Seablade | That goes into doing research before you start your projects |
| 03:02.17 | Seablade | ;) |
| 03:02.34 | hermit2 | obviously they are not using it |
| 03:02.39 | Seablade | OpenAL I don't know to much about unfortunatly, but chances are it would still require a backend on a platform |
| 03:02.41 | elmo40 | ok, so what shall i write audio apps with? |
| 03:02.57 | Seablade | If you were to write audio apps on linux... who would they be geared for? |
| 03:03.06 | Seablade | Consumer or Professional? |
| 03:03.12 | elmo40 | openal.org |
| 03:03.23 | elmo40 | umm, i dont know ;) |
| 03:03.33 | elmo40 | how about professional? what diff does it make? |
| 03:03.46 | Seablade | In the world of professional Audio applications on Linux, Jack is the standard |
| 03:04.07 | Seablade | But for many consumers, they don't understand jack, and writing directly for ALSA or GStreamer might be a better choice |
| 03:04.39 | Seablade | Hmm looks like OpenAL provides an interface to several different backends, including ALSA |
| 03:04.46 | elmo40 | but the consumer only uses it, why do they need to know what audio system i write it with? |
| 03:05.05 | Seablade | You just hit on the major problem with audio on linux with that question |
| 03:05.20 | Seablade | There is no really well defined standard for audio for consumers on Linux past ALSA |
| 03:05.25 | Seablade | Lemme explain a bit... |
| 03:05.33 | elmo40 | no, i think i get it |
| 03:05.43 | elmo40 | that is the main problem with linux! No Standards!! |
| 03:05.52 | elmo40 | not only audio, but everything else |
| 03:06.09 | Seablade | It used to be OSS was the standard, but that was replaced by ALSA. Both of these provide the drivers and a low level interface to the hardware.... |
| 03:06.17 | elmo40 | where to store files/apps, what default directories things should be in, who controls what at boot... blah blah. |
| 03:07.03 | Seablade | Forefront, the makers of OSS, still make new products though including new revisions of OSS, and market it for the choice for new programmers to use, generally they get the attention of closed source programmers, and as such many closed source prograamers use it, causing many problems as almost noone else does |
| 03:07.23 | Seablade | Ill come back to what you are saying now in a moment;) |
| 03:07.41 | Seablade | At any rate amongst open source people, many saw ALSA as being difficult to program for(And rightly so from what I have heard of it) |
| 03:08.10 | Seablade | So in many cases they wrote 'sound servers' to handle the audio portions, that interfaced with alsa, but provided a cleaner and easier interface |
| 03:08.16 | Seablade | ESD, ARTS, etc. |
| 03:08.45 | Seablade | KDE uses Arts, Gnome sometimes used ESD, enlightenment used to use ESD, etc. |
| 03:09.11 | Seablade | ALl of these caused problems for other programs that were written for arts, but since they were so well integrated into the desktop many people wrote for them that wrote programs specifically for those desktops |
| 03:09.24 | Seablade | Thankfully they are being phased out slowly now |
| 03:09.32 | Seablade | But no good solution has really come up |
| 03:09.43 | Seablade | There are two things that many are turning to though. |
| 03:09.51 | Seablade | The larger one is the GStreamer framework |
| 03:10.02 | Seablade | which in itself can insterface with many different backends |
| 03:10.15 | Seablade | The other is PortAudio which concentrates on providing a stable crossplatform interface |
| 03:10.51 | Seablade | Most strictly linux multimedia only programs are using looking at the gstreamer interface now |
| 03:11.01 | Seablade | So it is likely that for consumers that MAY become the standard |
| 03:11.24 | Seablade | Portaudio is a choice for programs looking for crossplatofrm compatibility |
| 03:11.36 | Seablade | Both however in the end interface directly with ALSA on Linux, which is a good thing |
| 03:11.51 | Seablade | In general there is not a problem with programs that interface directly with ALSA, but in some cases there are |
| 03:12.02 | Seablade | Not many anymore thankfully though |
| 03:12.34 | Seablade | So as things stand right now, I reccomend most people look at ALSA or GStreamer for their consumer programs |
| 03:12.42 | Seablade | Stay away from sound daemons like ESD or ARTS |
| 03:12.55 | Seablade | For professional audio programs on Linux the choice is hands down JACK |
| 03:13.18 | Seablade | Now things like OpenAL provide an interface to ALSA, so if people used that I wouldn't complain |
| 03:13.51 | Seablade | Now in as far as the other standards you mentioned, thankfully work is being done towards standardizing most of that |
| 03:14.18 | Seablade | things are MUCH better now than they were courtesyt of the development of the LSB(Linux Standards Base) which lays out the general framework for a linux filesystem |
| 03:14.35 | Seablade | I have even seen some moves to get interoperability between different package managers, unfortunatly not enough though |
| 03:15.46 | Seablade | And things are slowly getting better and better in general, I wish that standard interfaces could be provided for the major desktop environments, I believe things like the portland project are looking at things like that though I haven't kept an eye out very much on that yet |
| 03:16.02 | Seablade | Obviously I have been using linux for way to long;) |
| 03:16.30 | Seablade | So things get somewhat cleared up? Or are you more confused than ever now? |
| 03:16.31 | hermit2 | so, after all that ... is there a way to have xmms play and still have other sounds |
| 03:16.42 | Seablade | Short Answer Yes |
| 03:16.47 | hermit2 | jack? |
| 03:17.04 | Seablade | I believe there is a jack plugin for XMMS so yes that is an option |
| 03:17.15 | Seablade | For most consumers though the DMIX plugin for ALSA would be a better choice I think |
| 03:17.23 | hermit2 | guess I'll have to some reading up on jack |
| 03:17.31 | Seablade | Unfortunatly often it is not set up by default |
| 03:17.38 | Seablade | Well what other programs are you using? |
| 03:17.42 | hermit2 | hmmm |
| 03:18.15 | hermit2 | oh next to nothing. but not evn the little alerts for messages will come though if i have xmms on |
| 03:18.50 | Seablade | Hmm alert messages can be tricky because it can depend on what they are trying to do unfortunatly. |
| 03:19.11 | hermit2 | if there is something on the web that makes sound I have to shut xmms down and start the web thing over to hear it |
| 03:19.31 | Seablade | What output plugin are you using currently in xmms? |
| 03:19.39 | hermit2 | like the beep when someone uses your name in here |
| 03:20.49 | hermit2 | umm, I think its esound |
| 03:20.55 | Seablade | Yep that would be why |
| 03:21.00 | Seablade | esound, or ESD |
| 03:21.07 | Seablade | one of those sound server daemons I mentioned |
| 03:21.18 | elmo40 | Seablade: much information here! ;) |
| 03:21.31 | Seablade | Switch your output plugin to ALSA and stop your esound daemon, see if that helps |
| 03:21.50 | elmo40 | and, by the way, unrealtournament does use openAL. Dont know if that helps with figuring out the capabilities. |
| 03:21.58 | hermit2 | looks like i have options for alsa. oggre, oss, and out lame |
| 03:22.14 | Seablade | Sure elmo, sorry I can't provide better news, as things stand right now the best way to do things kinda varies depending on what oyu are doing, for most people ALSA and DMIX is the best option without any other sound servers running |
| 03:23.04 | Seablade | Elmo: If Unreal uses OpenAL chances are it is ALSA compatible, it is likely to be teamspeak causing the problem then as that looks like it was written to use OSS and the ALSA emulation of OSS which is not the same as using ALSA itself |
| 03:23.26 | Seablade | hermit: Switch XMMS to ALSA, kill the ESound(ESD) process, and then try |
| 03:23.42 | GPLGeek | so does jack support multi-channel |
| 03:23.51 | GPLGeek | so you can have more than one program using sound |
| 03:23.51 | Seablade | By the way, what are you using XMMS for playback of specifically? |
| 03:23.57 | GPLGeek | mainly thats what we need |
| 03:24.05 | Seablade | Jack is designed to be MUCH more flexible than just that, but the short answer is yes |
| 03:24.27 | GPLGeek | ok we need jack games |
| 03:24.28 | Seablade | The thing that is confusing about jack to people not used to pro-audio, is the patchbay |
| 03:24.49 | GPLGeek | so we can use a game and mp3 player at same time |
| 03:25.02 | Seablade | ALSA is capable of this |
| 03:25.34 | Seablade | And for many people will likely be the better option, by default Jack will not resample audio(Will explain this in a moment) as it is trying to reproduce as clean a sound as it can since it gets used for recording etc |
| 03:25.36 | hermit2 | alsa is installing extra stuff to work better:) |
| 03:25.49 | Seablade | Hermit: Like what? |
| 03:26.20 | hermit2 | I don't know. that was its message and no response back yet |
| 03:26.21 | GPLGeek | I can't run 2 alsa apps at once |
| 03:26.26 | GPLGeek | like voip and mp3 |
| 03:26.26 | GPLGeek | why |
| 03:26.57 | Seablade | Resampling audio for those not aware, would be what would have to happen if you were... for example... mixing together a CD playback at 16/44.1 and a DVD playback at 48K... the two sample rates (44.1 and 48) do not match up so they have to be resampled to provide one sample rate ot the DAC on the sound card |
| 03:27.12 | elmo40 | Seablade: any idea what Skype uses for their audio? |
| 03:27.48 | Seablade | Here I tell you what, lemme see if I can grab a screenshot to send you of my basic Jack setup on my workstation and it might help you understand the patching issue... |
| 03:27.57 | Seablade | Gimme a moment |
| 03:28.40 | elmo40 | i will 'give' you all the time you need ;) As for I will read your messages later (getting quite late here) |
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| 03:29.00 | elmo40 | Very informative session, Seablade. Much apprecited. I learned something new today :) |
| 03:29.22 | elmo40 | GPLGeek: getting greedy, eh? ;) Maybe you should open a file with gobby, and have others tinker with it! |
| 03:29.53 | elmo40 | Seablade, GPLGeek, please continue the audio chat, i will scroll back tomorrow. Night! I-) |
| 03:31.35 | Seablade | Heh have fun |
| 03:32.11 | Seablade | GPLGeek you laugh, I used to have a wiki handling this sort of thing before i Had to take it down, I keep meaning to restart a nice Drupal based site with wiki capabilities for it again |
| 03:32.24 | Seablade | Ok GPL gonna try to remember how to start a private chat to transfer a file to you |
| 03:32.26 | hermit2 | ok, I'm just streaming audio. alsa updated modules and drivers |
| 03:33.15 | Seablade | GPLGeek trying to send a file to you now |
| 03:33.41 | Seablade | Sorry for the size, dual screen setup |
| 03:33.48 | Seablade | hermit are you having any better luck? |
| 03:34.28 | hermit2 | hmm.. I won't know until I have a secondary sound occur |
| 03:34.44 | Seablade | lesse you said that I can cause it by mentioning your name in here right? |
| 03:34.49 | Seablade | Hermit2: Try that? |
| 03:34.58 | hermit2 | yes.. that worked |
| 03:35.05 | Seablade | good |
| 03:35.06 | hermit2 | thanks... |
| 03:35.18 | Seablade | Yea that goes back to ESD and other things screwing with things |
| 03:35.31 | Seablade | I generally consider most sound servers the bane of LInux Audio's existance |
| 03:35.54 | hermit2 | it would seem they are |
| 03:36.30 | Seablade | There is a reason that one of the setup options for Jack is to disable ARTS and other sound servers before it attempts to start jack;) |
| 03:37.03 | hermit2 | I can see why now. |
| 03:37.17 | hermit2 | its like too many fingers in the pudding |
| 03:37.26 | Seablade | That is exactly it in fact |
| 03:39.57 | Seablade | Some reading for people interested... |
| 03:39.59 | Seablade | http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_ALSA_sound_mixer_aka_dmix#Intro_to_dmix |
| 03:40.41 | Seablade | Gentoo documentation is some of the best I have come across in general, for ANY distro;) |
| 03:41.29 | Seablade | A little more detailed reading for those more comfortable with linux.... |
| 03:41.31 | Seablade | http://alsa.opensrc.org/home/w/org/opensrc/alsa/index.php?title=DmixPlugin |
| 03:41.45 | Seablade | Both of those will tackle ALSA and DMix which is what most people want for consumer applications |
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| 03:45.02 | hermit2 | thanks... I will read up on it |
| 03:47.38 | Seablade | By the way lemme say I love Linux... I am currently running Firefox, Blender, Makehuman, Ardour, AquaLung, Mplayer, GAIM, QJackCTL, HDSPMixer, And a variety of terminal windows, and my system is still extremely responsive, with a grand total of 7 audio dropouts while doing needlessly complicated things, meaning I could still safely record at this point as well;) |
| 03:47.44 | Seablade | Dang I love Linux and E17 |
| 03:47.46 | keyra | Seablade: Elive don't like windows, don't use it, is compatible with all and only give problems |
| 03:48.19 | Seablade | Wow, not only am I getting shutup for windows for some reason, but I honestly can't understand what Keyra is trying to say there |
| 03:48.23 | Seablade | HehHeh |
| 03:49.47 | hermit2 | lol... windows breaks things, and is NOT compatible with all |
| 03:51.35 | hermit2 | once i tried elive I didn't want to look for anything else :) |
| 03:53.17 | Seablade | Hmm I just remembered someone asked me what Skype uses for a sound backend... |
| 03:53.35 | Seablade | What I have found on their website is that they support both ALSA and OSS, this could mean a couple of things. |
| 03:53.51 | Seablade | One that it, like XMMS, has options for both ALSA and OSS |
| 03:54.04 | Seablade | Or that it uses OSS and depends on ALSA's OSS emulation |
| 03:54.47 | Seablade | Out of the two based off their FAQ mentioning they will be dropping OSS support, I tend to lean towards they have proper ALSA support built in |
| 03:54.49 | hermit2 | hmm.. in general I found skype to be better than teamspeak, and that was on windows. |
| 03:55.06 | Seablade | So chances are it will work fine with other ALSA programs |
| 03:55.16 | Seablade | Never used either myself hermit |
| 03:55.49 | hermit2 | haven't used them in a long while |
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| 04:00.28 | PrinceAMD | http://princeamd.elivedev.org/howto.txt my howto |
| 04:00.36 | PrinceAMD | works but not complete |
| 04:00.40 | PrinceAMD | u can test or what ever |
| 04:00.50 | PrinceAMD | i'm going to reinstall elive and test now |
| 04:01.03 | Seablade | Heh hope you have patience? Heh guess I get counted out;) |
| 04:01.28 | PrinceAMD | Seablade ;) |
| 04:01.44 | hermit2 | umm.. how is that going to work if the list of libraries isn't complete? |
| 04:01.50 | Seablade | Not bad though, first glance it does look like it will do the trick on elive |
| 04:02.04 | PrinceAMD | hermit2, it's complete |
| 04:02.14 | PrinceAMD | on elive yes |
| 04:02.22 | PrinceAMD | i'm going to test it on fresh install now |
| 04:02.30 | hermit2 | oh... we have some already |
| 04:03.12 | Seablade | Yep, looks like you are installing the cvs version to /usr/local right? Why not use /opt to get a good amount of seperation in there? |
| 04:03.38 | Seablade | Just habit for me that anything I don't install via the package manager I install into /opt to not screw up my system |
| 04:04.11 | hermit2 | hmm, probablly not a bad habit |
| 04:04.12 | Seablade | Heh I didn't mean to scare him off though;) |
| 04:04.21 | hermit2 | he is testing |
| 04:04.27 | Seablade | OH I know, just having fun |
| 04:04.32 | hermit2 | lol |
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| 04:06.00 | hermit2 | will be covered further in this 'book'... |
| 04:06.14 | Elive_user | lol |
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| 04:15.24 | PrinceAMD | anyone here |
| 04:15.35 | hermit2 | sometimes |
| 04:15.47 | Seablade | nope noone here |
| 04:15.53 | PrinceAMD | hermit2, i'm excited to test this on new install |
| 04:16.10 | PrinceAMD | Seablade, cool u'r a bot? |
| 04:16.11 | hermit2 | yes... it will be cool |
| 04:16.16 | Seablade | Dang I really should be doing more modeling... But Hitchhiker's Guide is drawing attention |
| 04:16.37 | Seablade | Heh If I was a bot, someone did a REALLY poor job of programming |
| 04:16.44 | hermit2 | lol |
| 04:16.46 | PrinceAMD | lol |
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| 04:22.03 | Seablade | Step one complete |
| 04:22.06 | Seablade | HehHeh |
| 04:22.23 | PrinceAMD-L | :) |
| 04:28.52 | Seablade | That was fast |
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| 04:48.04 | hermit2 | synaptic doesn't find libsvg2-dev |
| 04:48.47 | PrinceAMD | i know |
| 04:49.01 | PrinceAMD | i'm working on it |
| 04:49.05 | hermit2 | and whats with the [no]'s after stuff |
| 04:49.18 | PrinceAMD | no means dont install it not needed |
| 04:49.29 | hermit2 | oh |
| 04:49.35 | PrinceAMD | librsvg2-dev |
| 04:49.40 | PrinceAMD | i left out the r |
| 04:49.52 | hermit2 | ahh.. that makes a difference |
| 04:50.28 | PrinceAMD | yep |
| 04:53.47 | Seablade | Alright I am goin to get some sleep, yall have fun |
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| 04:57.36 | hermit2 | I think I shall finish this tommorrow and get some sleep myself. |
| 04:58.48 | PrinceAMD | hermit2, ok good night |
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| 05:22.34 | PrinceAMD | http://princeamd.elivedev.org/howto |
| 05:22.40 | PrinceAMD | this howto works great |
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| 10:14.39 | rabe | hi |
| 10:14.49 | rabe | how can i check an ext2 filesystem |
| 10:15.03 | rabe | i forget the name of the application |
| 10:15.08 | rabe | ex2check? |
| 10:16.33 | rabe | do you know something better than e2fsck |
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| 14:09.48 | PrinceAMD | hi anyone there? |
| 14:10.01 | Thybo | hey PrinceAMD :) |
| 14:10.03 | hermit2 | maybe |
| 14:10.06 | PrinceAMD | hermit2 did u do the howto? |
| 14:10.09 | Thybo | yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawn |
| 14:10.13 | hermit2 | doing it now |
| 14:10.14 | PrinceAMD | Thybo http://princeamd.elivedev.org/howto |
| 14:10.24 | Thybo | yeah i saw that yersteday |
| 14:10.25 | Thybo | :) |
| 14:10.31 | hermit2 | question... recommend a directory to put it |
| 14:10.45 | Thybo | what is the point of this? |
| 14:10.56 | Thybo | getting my actual e17 AND the cvs one working? |
| 14:11.30 | PrinceAMD | hermit2, u dont need to select dir, because u'r compiling it, it will go in your /usr/local/ folder and what's install via apt-get will go in /usr/share :) |
| 14:12.02 | PrinceAMD | Thybo, maybe u might want to mess with the cvs but dont like it completely |
| 14:12.13 | Thybo | hmm |
| 14:12.22 | Thybo | duno if i wanna install it ^^ |
| 14:12.26 | PrinceAMD | i did because i like both real bad |
| 14:12.43 | hermit2 | ya, I like things about both |
| 14:13.16 | Thybo | well |
| 14:13.17 | Thybo | hehe |
| 14:13.17 | Thybo | i think i will to |
| 14:13.17 | Thybo | so |
| 14:13.33 | PrinceAMD | :) |
| 14:13.46 | Thybo | i think installing it would be an error because i would have to make a very hard choice each time hehe |
| 14:13.58 | PrinceAMD | hermit2, check that howto i think i make easy steps |
| 14:14.07 | PrinceAMD | lol |
| 14:15.12 | hermit2 | doesn't find cvs command |
| 14:15.52 | PrinceAMD | i did this howto cus some users might not want to replace there current e17 but is curious about the cvs one |
| 14:15.59 | PrinceAMD | apt-get install cvs |
| 14:17.11 | PrinceAMD | oh i tested this howto last night worked great, just doing more tests on it |
| 14:17.45 | hermit2 | do I need to enter repositories? |
| 14:18.44 | PrinceAMD | what do u mean? |
| 14:19.06 | hermit2 | it is asking for repository directories |
| 14:19.25 | PrinceAMD | what command did u exicute? |
| 14:19.33 | hermit2 | install cvs |
| 14:19.37 | PrinceAMD | ohy |
| 14:19.44 | PrinceAMD | just next all the time |
| 14:19.51 | hermit2 | ok |
| 14:20.26 | hermit2 | should the cvs server be enabled? |
| 14:20.33 | PrinceAMD | nope |
| 14:21.26 | hermit2 | ok.. looking good.... |
| 14:21.31 | PrinceAMD | :) |
| 14:21.46 | PrinceAMD | what version of elive do u have running? |
| 14:21.56 | hermit2 | .6.7 |
| 14:22.06 | PrinceAMD | :) nice will there should be no error |
| 14:22.56 | Thybo | anyone use ekiga? |
| 14:23.12 | PrinceAMD | oh, i changed entrance to gdm, but i know how to get, the e17 [cvs] and e17 [elive] showing in entrance, i'll add that in my howto later today |
| 14:24.08 | PrinceAMD | hermit2, please dont forget 1 user name for e17 [elive] and create another username for e17 [cvs] AND DONT MIX THEM UP |
| 14:24.21 | Thybo | lol |
| 14:24.46 | PrinceAMD | Thybo, with power comes problems :) remember that hehe |
| 14:25.01 | hermit2 | ya, I was going to ask for some clarification of that last part about test user1 and 2 |
| 14:25.05 | Thybo | hehe |
| 14:25.43 | Thybo | PrinceAMD, is it normal that ekiga, ex gnomemeeting has went out in version 2.0.9 and in the repos still is 2.0.3-6? |
| 14:26.31 | PrinceAMD | yes i think |
| 14:26.41 | PrinceAMD | brb |
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| 14:31.23 | PrinceAMD | everything seems ok |
| 14:31.25 | PrinceAMD | very nice |
| 14:31.33 | Thybo | PrinceAMD, u think yes?:) |
| 14:31.33 | keyra | PrinceAMD: :) |
| 14:31.54 | Thybo | apt: kill keyra |
| 14:31.56 | apt | ACTION shoots a charged graviton gun at keyra |
| 14:31.56 | PrinceAMD | Thybo, yepo |
| 14:32.00 | PrinceAMD | lol |
| 14:32.13 | Thybo | is it risky ading a gnome repository just to install the new version of ekiga? |
| 14:32.22 | Thybo | coz the gnome repos has the last version |
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| 14:35.48 | PrinceAMD | Thybo , not really |
| 14:36.01 | Thybo | and if its an ubuntu one?: |
| 14:36.03 | Thybo | :d |
| 14:36.08 | Thybo | apt: kill keyra |
| 14:36.09 | apt | ACTION shoots a hyper-charged meson gun at keyra |
| 14:36.09 | keyra | Thybo: ubuntu is off topic |
| 14:36.13 | PrinceAMD | it might kill elie |
| 14:36.17 | PrinceAMD | :) |
| 14:36.18 | Thybo | lol |
| 14:36.23 | Thybo | apt: kill elive |
| 14:36.25 | apt | ACTION shoots a hyper-charged pseudoneutron gun at elive |
| 14:36.28 | Thybo | lol |
| 14:36.29 | Thybo | there |
| 14:36.29 | PrinceAMD | wtf |
| 14:37.25 | hermit2 | err... apt: smack Thybo |
| 14:37.30 | Thybo | lol |
| 14:37.37 | Thybo | apt: hug hermit2 :) |
| 14:37.38 | apt | ACTION gets a running start and tackle-hugs hermit2 :) |
| 14:37.45 | Thybo | hehe |
| 14:37.48 | hermit2 | ooff |
| 14:38.02 | Thybo | hehe got u |
| 14:38.22 | Thybo | what is the reinstall commmand? |
| 14:38.24 | PrinceAMD | hermit2, compiling yet? |
| 14:38.58 | hermit2 | I am figuring it out... it isn't something I've done before |
| 14:40.49 | PrinceAMD | snow and rain modules in e17 [cvs] not work good |
| 14:41.24 | hermit2 | hmm... I like the snow module |
| 14:41.43 | PrinceAMD | i'm working on solving this |
| 14:42.06 | hermit2 | ok, eet compiled |
| 14:42.12 | PrinceAMD | :) |
| 14:42.19 | hermit2 | lol, I am slow at this :) |
| 14:42.49 | PrinceAMD | ah, not about being slow, once u can complete the task that's all that matters |
| 14:43.45 | hermit2 | true |
| 14:44.04 | Thybo | hm i give up trying to fing that repos with uptodate ekiga |
| 14:44.13 | Thybo | why don't they update it in debian repos? |
| 14:45.05 | PrinceAMD | because maybe it's not STABLE |
| 14:46.22 | Thybo | hm |
| 14:46.31 | Thybo | they don't talk about that on ekiga website |
| 14:46.42 | Thybo | to install a .deb package all u have to do is dpkg? |
| 14:46.50 | wizard123 | yup, Thybo |
| 14:46.55 | wizard123 | dpkg -i iirc |
| 14:46.55 | Thybo | okidoki |
| 14:46.59 | Thybo | hey wizzard :) |
| 14:47.06 | Thybo | what is the -i for? |
| 14:47.16 | wizard123 | hey Thybo |
| 14:47.20 | wizard123 | install ? |
| 14:47.24 | Thybo | hahaha |
| 14:47.26 | Thybo | ah yes |
| 14:47.27 | Thybo | and |
| 14:47.30 | Thybo | -r to remove |
| 14:47.31 | Thybo | hehe |
| 14:47.32 | Thybo | sorry (a) |
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| 14:52.10 | wizard123 | hmm... time for deborphaning ;) |
| 14:53.00 | PrinceAMD | hermit2, what are you compiling now/ |
| 14:53.15 | hermit2 | efreet |
| 14:53.20 | wizard123 | what's that ? |
| 14:53.24 | PrinceAMD | kool |
| 14:53.45 | PrinceAMD | efreet is e17 new way of grabbing .desktop and .menu files |
| 14:53.57 | wizard123 | i see |
| 14:54.29 | PrinceAMD | i think it's very special, but alot of reading to actully get your programs in the menu |
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| 15:01.55 | PrinceAMD | wizard123 http://wiki.enlightenment.org/index.php/E17_and_Efreet |
| 15:08.03 | Thybo | anyone uses vlc? |
| 15:09.24 | keyra | PrinceAMD: e17 is in development, remember it, use e16 if you want a complete, stable, and finished WM |
| 15:09.36 | PrinceAMD | keyra, thanks |
| 15:09.44 | keyra | PrinceAMD: welcome :) |
| 15:09.47 | PrinceAMD | :) |
| 15:10.04 | PrinceAMD | both e17 is fully loaded :) |
| 15:10.17 | PrinceAMD | 153mb ram used |
| 15:10.28 | hermit2 | you know that the modules are suppose to be compiled one at a time? |
| 15:10.47 | PrinceAMD | yes u can do it that way |
| 15:10.55 | PrinceAMD | or compile all at the same time |
| 15:11.05 | PrinceAMD | i compiled all at once |
| 15:11.24 | hermit2 | if compiled all at one time any that are broken will mess up the others |
| 15:11.43 | hermit2 | or so the readme says |
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| 15:11.48 | PrinceAMD | yes i know |
| 15:12.04 | PrinceAMD | but with my howto it will not break |
| 15:12.21 | PrinceAMD | i make sure all packages are installed for everything |
| 15:12.31 | elmo40 | hermit2: i got skype and xmms to work, but skype listens to my mic&speaker output :/ Whenever I talk, the music goes with it, and my voice is very quiet. |
| 15:12.38 | PrinceAMD | ***E_MODULES*** |
| 15:12.38 | PrinceAMD | libxkbfile-dev |
| 15:12.38 | PrinceAMD | libxcomposite-dev |
| 15:12.38 | PrinceAMD | ***END*** |
| 15:12.53 | PrinceAMD | those 2 were needed when i compiled all together and it break |
| 15:13.05 | PrinceAMD | libxcomposite-dev = for bling module |
| 15:13.14 | PrinceAMD | libxkbfile-dev = for language module |
| 15:13.37 | hermit2 | check skypes settings elmo40, there maybe something there |
| 15:13.51 | PrinceAMD | hermit2, i recommend compiling e_modules after u loging onto e17 [cvs] |
| 15:14.13 | hermit2 | well they are the point i 'm at |
| 15:14.27 | hermit2 | so skip them for now? |
| 15:14.30 | PrinceAMD | yes |
| 15:15.13 | hermit2 | ok... bbiab |
| 15:16.46 | elmo40 | hermit2: they only have alsa or oss |
| 15:17.57 | Thybo | hmm |
| 15:18.06 | Thybo | pause xmms while calling with skype :) |
| 15:21.05 | elmo40 | ya, not the option i wanted |
| 15:21.07 | elmo40 | grr |
| 15:21.09 | elmo40 | oh well |
| 15:21.17 | elmo40 | maybe iw ill install a second audio card? |
| 15:22.51 | wizard123 | :] |
| 15:23.01 | wizard123 | elmo40: try arts or esd |
| 15:23.31 | hermit2 | no atrs or esd... add dmix to alsa |
| 15:24.08 | hermit2 | http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_ALSA_sound_mixer_aka_dmix#Intro_to_dmix |
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| 15:28.21 | PrinceAMD | entrance config works |
| 15:28.32 | PrinceAMD | hermit2 refresh the howto page |
| 15:28.38 | hermit2 | PrinceAMD, ok... howto says to adduser test1 and then login as test2 |
| 15:28.55 | PrinceAMD | lol |
| 15:29.01 | PrinceAMD | sorry my mistake there |
| 15:29.06 | PrinceAMD | login as test1 |
| 15:29.27 | hermit2 | ok... and test1 can be any name I choose? |
| 15:29.43 | wizard123 | i think yes |
| 15:29.43 | PrinceAMD | yes |
| 15:30.25 | PrinceAMD | wizard123, did u read the howto? |
| 15:31.18 | hermit2 | umm... refreshed the page but it doesn't seem any different |
| 15:31.19 | wizard123 | which one? |
| 15:31.38 | PrinceAMD | i added entrance config |
| 15:31.46 | PrinceAMD | http://princeamd.elivedev.org/howto |
| 15:31.52 | PrinceAMD | that it |
| 15:32.37 | hermit2 | ahh... ya, see refreshing didn't pick up any of the changes... odd |
| 15:33.40 | PrinceAMD | scroll down to the end of the page |
| 15:33.47 | wizard123 | hmm.. |
| 15:33.54 | PrinceAMD | http://princeamd.elivedev.org/howto NOT http://princeamd.elivedev.org/howto.txt |
| 15:34.11 | PrinceAMD | wizard123, hmm what/ |
| 15:35.15 | wizard123 | why didn't you specify --prefix for e17 from cvs ? |
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| 15:36.02 | PrinceAMD | wizard123, dont know what the hell your talking about please explain |
| 15:36.11 | wizard123 | PrinceAMD-cvs has quit [Segmentation fault :P] |
| 15:36.12 | PrinceAMD | oh i think u mean path |
| 15:36.22 | PrinceAMD | wizard123, fuck u hehe |
| 15:36.30 | wizard123 | yeah.. it will be installed in /usr/local by default |
| 15:37.04 | PrinceAMD | wizard123, can u give me example of how to use prefix please |
| 15:37.42 | Thybo | like 0 49999999 |
| 15:37.45 | Thybo | 0 is the prefix |
| 15:37.53 | Thybo | and 49999999 is pizza hut's number |
| 15:37.53 | Thybo | hahaha |
| 15:38.08 | PrinceAMD | Thybo, chill |
| 15:38.18 | Thybo | ekiga is stable but the dependencies aren't met |
| 15:38.54 | wizard123 | PrinceAMD: ./configure --prefix=/somewhere |
| 15:39.03 | wizard123 | usually /opt/something or /usr |
| 15:39.19 | PrinceAMD | wizard123, ok thanks will do it in a few |
| 15:39.24 | PrinceAMD | going and install xp on this crap |
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| 15:41.13 | Thybo | xp on p2? |
| 15:41.18 | wizard123 | xD |
| 15:42.46 | PrinceAMD | yep |
| 15:43.23 | wizard123 | that is crazy |
| 15:43.29 | Thybo | install austrumo |
| 15:43.35 | Thybo | austrumi |
| 15:43.45 | PrinceAMD | i just do the job they ask |
| 15:44.36 | Thybo | lol |
| 15:44.37 | Thybo | yeah |
| 15:44.38 | Thybo | but |
| 15:44.44 | Thybo | with the heart fealing sorry :) |
| 15:46.20 | elmo40 | hermit2: should i apt-get remove all the oss i have installed? |
| 15:46.23 | elmo40 | and the esd? |
| 15:46.32 | hermit2 | I didn't |
| 15:46.46 | hermit2 | somethings may rely on it maybe |
| 15:47.03 | PrinceAMD | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:47.11 | PrinceAMD | goingg n take out my dvd burner |
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| 15:56.47 | elmo40 | well, only E stuff rely on esd? |
| 15:57.04 | elmo40 | i dont need any E sounds... not important to me (not that i have heard any anyways) :P |
| 15:57.27 | rookmoot | esd is a mixer |
| 15:57.41 | elmo40 | oh? |
| 15:59.26 | elmo40 | so what is alsamixer for? |
| 15:59.31 | elmo40 | or they do different things? |
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| 16:00.13 | wizard123 | alsamixer sets volumes and other things |
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| 16:00.40 | wizard123 | esd actually mixes sounds from different sources and plays them on /dev/dsp or whatever |
| 16:00.59 | elmo40 | same with oss? |
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| 16:01.44 | wizard123 | oss = open sound system.. those are old sound drivers.. still used on BSD and SCO UnixWare.. |
| 16:03.08 | hermit2 | this version of e17 is bare naked |
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| 16:09.42 | kender | hi |
| 16:10.26 | hermit2 | hello |
| 16:10.34 | keyra | hermit2: hi |
| 16:10.37 | wizard123 | hi keyra |
| 16:10.39 | kender | hi hermit2 |
| 16:10.43 | wizard123 | hi kender rather ;) |
| 16:10.46 | keyra | wizard123: hi :) |
| 16:10.49 | kender | wizard123, hey :D |
| 16:11.07 | wizard123 | keyra: good bot |
| 16:11.16 | keyra | wizard123: I'm NOT a bot! |
| 16:11.29 | wizard123 | yeah yeah.. everybody knows that |
| 16:12.37 | Ezep | wizard123: jajaj |
| 16:14.53 | wizard123 | hah.. guitar tuned |
| 16:15.42 | rookmoot | GUITAR HERO ! |
| 16:16.03 | wizard123 | :D |
| 16:19.05 | Ezep | im a guitarist...:P |
| 16:19.51 | wizard123 | everybody is ;) |
| 16:20.33 | Ezep | the 5ths rulez! |
| 16:20.46 | Ezep | SOL5! |
| 16:20.48 | Ezep | jhajaja |
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| 16:31.14 | Elive_user87 | hello tout le monde |
| 16:31.22 | keyra | Elive_user87: hi |
| 16:31.32 | Ezep | /nick pepito |
| 16:31.37 | Ezep | try this code |
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| 16:50.27 | zecrazytux | hey |
| 16:50.51 | elmo40 | hey |
| 16:51.15 | zecrazytux | does anybody know why i get "e_gadman_mode_set: undefined symbol" when loading a module ? |
| 16:51.56 | zecrazytux | i've another problem: i have no apps in "applications" and "favorite" menus |
| 16:54.15 | elmo40 | zecrazytux: is this with Elive? or did you install E on another system? |
| 16:54.24 | zecrazytux | E on sid |
| 17:00.10 | hermit2 | because they changed to gadcon |
| 17:00.36 | hermit2 | but don't take my word for it |
| 17:01.16 | zecrazytux | erf |
| 17:01.28 | hermit2 | ya, neither do I ... I think you have to read up on efreet to figure out how to get apps in there |
| 17:01.28 | zecrazytux | so i just can't use these modules ? |
| 17:01.50 | hermit2 | I don't know yet |
| 17:02.15 | hermit2 | some should work |
| 17:02.32 | zecrazytux | some only |
| 17:04.38 | elmo40 | where did you get E ? |
| 17:04.42 | elmo40 | cvs? apt-get ? |
| 17:04.47 | elmo40 | what version is it right now? |
| 17:04.52 | zecrazytux | debian repos |
| 17:04.56 | zecrazytux | edevelop |
| 17:05.05 | zecrazytux | by apt-get right |
| 17:05.28 | elmo40 | left-click, what version do you have? |
| 17:05.49 | zecrazytux | .037 |
| 17:08.29 | elmo40 | same as me |
| 17:08.43 | elmo40 | well, i dont know what to tell you, but everything is 'broken' for that one :/ |
| 17:08.45 | zecrazytux | and you can load, for example, calendar ? |
| 17:09.04 | zecrazytux | can you* |
| 17:09.06 | elmo40 | if you had an earlier version, it would have grabbed that 'applications' list, and used it by default. |
| 17:09.19 | elmo40 | most modules are also borked :/ |
| 17:09.29 | elmo40 | only one that works for me is clock! |
| 17:09.38 | zecrazytux | huhu :D |
| 17:10.09 | zecrazytux | i have wlan, uptime, tclock, net, mum, cpu, evolume, winselector |
| 17:10.14 | zecrazytux | and photo |
| 17:10.56 | zecrazytux | rain, flame, snow runs great too, but it's just a proof of concept as it takes till 100% of cpu |
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| 17:24.27 | hermit2 | hello PrinceAMD |
| 17:24.34 | PrinceAMD | hermit2, hey |
| 17:24.35 | keyra | hermit2: hi |
| 17:24.48 | PrinceAMD | instead of xp :D |
| 17:25.00 | hermit2 | this version of e17 is pretty bare |
| 17:25.09 | zecrazytux | that's a good action, PrinceAMD |
| 17:25.11 | zecrazytux | :D |
| 17:25.18 | PrinceAMD | zecrazytux, i know :) |
| 17:25.28 | PrinceAMD | hermit2, what do u mean |
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| 17:25.41 | hermit2 | and is missing some functionality my old version of .37 had |
| 17:25.45 | PrinceAMD | hermit2, u can get theme for elive [cvs] at www.get-e.org it's pretty cool |
| 17:25.58 | PrinceAMD | true |
| 17:26.07 | hermit2 | no apps and no way to add them to menu |
| 17:26.22 | zecrazytux | i don't like elive's theme |
| 17:26.25 | hermit2 | at least i haven't figured out how yet |
| 17:26.56 | zecrazytux | try entangle |
| 17:27.28 | hermit2 | I don't think there is entangle |
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| 17:27.51 | hermit2 | oh.. there it is |
| 17:29.03 | zecrazytux | i got it |
| 17:29.16 | zecrazytux | don't know if it works (it seems to) |
| 17:29.27 | hermit2 | hmm... ok.. entangle lists all app catagories that usually show under applications in the menu |
| 17:29.37 | hermit2 | but from the menu none show up |
| 17:30.01 | zecrazytux | :s |
| 17:32.57 | hermit2 | applications in the menu doesn't expand... as if there is a path missing.. I don't know |
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| 17:34.42 | Elive_user95 | Hi all |
| 17:35.00 | hermit2 | hello |
| 17:35.08 | keyra | hermit2: hi |
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| 17:36.13 | Elive_user95 | Can anyone here help me ? |
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| 17:36.39 | hermit2 | depends on what you need help with |
| 17:36.52 | Elive_user95 | I just finished installing the Development Verson of Elive ( The last one ) and i want to know if i should do the update or nor |
| 17:36.55 | Elive_user95 | not |
| 17:37.24 | Elive_user95 | Beside that should i change somthing in the Server list ? |
| 17:37.31 | hermit2 | yes, you can update |
| 17:37.57 | hermit2 | you mean sources list... you can leave that alone |
| 17:38.18 | Elive_user95 | okay, this means i should not change it to Debian Etch |
| 17:38.27 | keyra | Elive_user95: Debian r00lz ! |
| 17:38.27 | Elive_user95 | or i am wrong ? |
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| 17:38.52 | Elive_user95 | keyra, i did not understand what you mean |
| 17:39.41 | dats | hi |
| 17:39.46 | hermit2 | if you just installed version 0.6.7 it is already set to etch |
| 17:39.58 | Elive_user95 | I see |
| 17:40.03 | Elive_user95 | thanks alot |
| 17:40.05 | Elive_user95 | bye bye |
| 17:40.06 | Elive_user95 | :) |
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| 17:48.37 | hermit2 | haa haaa |
| 17:49.04 | hermit2 | what was that link to efreet? |
| 17:49.45 | wizard123 | :] |
| 17:50.34 | Ezep | hi dats |
| 17:50.38 | elmo40 | Elive_user60: wow, old machine! I still have yet to try Elive on my dual P2-450 ;) |
| 17:50.47 | PrinceAMD | hermit2, old a sec |
| 17:50.58 | PrinceAMD | http://wiki.enlightenment.org/index.php/E17_and_Efreet hermit2 |
| 17:51.37 | hermit2 | Thanks |
| 17:51.52 | PrinceAMD | no prob |
| 17:52.25 | Ezep | elmo40, mmmm i think i must try on my p 233mhz 64ram :P |
| 17:53.19 | elmo40 | 233??? that is DAMN slow |
| 17:53.19 | elmo40 | good luck with that one |
| 17:53.19 | keyra | elmo40: with only one "?" you have sufficient |
| 17:53.27 | elmo40 | ???!!! |
| 17:53.33 | Ezep | elmo40, i use damnsmalllinux :P |
| 17:53.38 | elmo40 | oh ;) |
| 17:53.43 | elmo40 | that makes a difference |
| 17:53.51 | Ezep | oh yeah... |
| 17:55.42 | hermit2 | umm.. so is this set up so anything i do in the cvs version has no impact on my default version? |
| 17:58.32 | elmo40 | hermit2: your default version? one from Elive? |
| 17:58.50 | elmo40 | when you login, can you chose between cvs and 'regular' e17? |
| 17:59.47 | PrinceAMD | yes u can choose |
| 18:01.04 | elmo40 | PrinceAMD: i was asking if it is already there, not if it is possible. |
| 18:01.15 | elmo40 | everything SHOULD be possible ;) |
| 18:02.04 | PrinceAMD | it's not there elmo40, u have to put it there |
| 18:04.06 | elmo40 | i was asking hermit2 |
| 18:04.22 | elmo40 | he wanted to know if the cvs had no impact on the default e17. |
| 18:04.40 | elmo40 | so, i asked if it was in the menu at boot, or did the cvs eliminate the default? |
| 18:04.47 | elmo40 | hermit2: so, is it there? |
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| 18:10.54 | Thybo | clearing apt cache liberates space? |
| 18:11.27 | wizard123 | yeah |
| 18:11.35 | wizard123 | it stores debs in cache |
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| 18:12.08 | Elive_user60 | how do i find what time video card a pc is using? |
| 18:12.38 | wizard123 | lspci |
| 18:13.20 | Elive_user60 | thanks wizard123 |
| 18:14.48 | hermit2 | yes it is there |
| 18:15.13 | Thybo | and apt-get clearcache? |
| 18:15.20 | Thybo | or what is that command exactly? |
| 18:15.35 | hermit2 | I got it that by following PrinceAMD's howto |
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| 18:16.36 | Elive_user60 | who just buzz me |
| 18:16.36 | Elive_user60 | i'm on this pc |
| 18:16.50 | hermit2 | not buzzed ... just mentioned your name |
| 18:16.55 | PrinceAMD-0 | oh |
| 18:18.04 | Thybo | lol |
| 18:18.06 | elmo40 | PrinceAMD-0: i did! |
| 18:18.17 | Thybo | just freed 697 megas with apt-get autoclean... |
| 18:18.26 | PrinceAMD-0 | cool |
| 18:18.30 | PrinceAMD-0 | what does it clean? |
| 18:18.38 | elmo40 | your cache |
| 18:18.51 | PrinceAMD-0 | i will never use that command |
| 18:18.59 | PrinceAMD-0 | i value my cache |
| 18:19.35 | hermit2 | but I probablly until you run out of space |
| 18:20.03 | hermit2 | lol... that didn't make much sense |
| 18:20.42 | PrinceAMD | hermit2, did the howto work good? |
| 18:20.46 | hermit2 | should have said something more like you will value the cache until you run out of space |
| 18:21.19 | PrinceAMD | burn on dvd :D |
| 18:21.26 | hermit2 | yes... though I admit I skipped the crtl+alt+ f2 stuff and just config'd entrance |
| 18:21.48 | PrinceAMD | cool :) |
| 18:22.00 | PrinceAMD | i have do to some reading on efreet |
| 18:22.37 | hermit2 | there are no apps in the menu.. do you know why... |
| 18:23.07 | hermit2 | not even catagories or anything. that part of the menu won't expand |
| 18:23.14 | PrinceAMD-0 | because the efreet thine |
| 18:23.34 | hermit2 | ok... I thought as much... I shall read :) |
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| 18:26.02 | hermit2 | your howto is easier to follow than the one on get-e.org PrinceAMD |
| 18:27.55 | PrinceAMD-0 | hermit2, thanks |
| 18:28.47 | PrinceAMD-0 | hermit2, can u summarize it for me thoug |
| 18:28.51 | PrinceAMD-0 | hermit2, can u summarize it for me though |
| 18:31.25 | hermit2 | what do you mean summarize it. what was better about yours than theirs or an overview of your howto? |
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| 18:43.44 | hermit2 | PrinceAMD-1, I'm not sure what you want summarized |
| 18:43.59 | PrinceAMD-1 | hermit2, the how to |
| 18:44.33 | hermit2 | ok.. I'll see what I can do |
| 18:44.43 | PrinceAMD-1 | thanks :) |
| 18:44.53 | PrinceAMD-1 | make it a howto not a mini-book :) |
| 18:47.13 | hermit2 | a howto use your howto.... |
| 18:47.39 | elmo40 | lol |
| 18:48.52 | PrinceAMD-1 | yea |
| 18:48.55 | PrinceAMD-1 | something like that |
| 18:49.27 | hermit2 | ok, give me a link to your howto again |
| 18:49.46 | PrinceAMD-1 | princeamd.elivedev.org/howto |
| 18:49.57 | hermit2 | or I suppose maybe I should just switch E's |
| 18:50.12 | hermit2 | sinse i can't find anything in here yet |
| 18:50.53 | PrinceAMD-1 | lol |
| 18:51.49 | hermit2 | and what is up with the gtk -warning of not being able to find themes in module_path: experience |
| 18:52.12 | hermit2 | it shows up for almost everything if you call from terminal |
| 18:52.30 | PrinceAMD-1 | alt+esc |
| 18:53.04 | hermit2 | well, ya but I don't think that fixes it ... just hides it |
| 18:53.48 | hermit2 | ok. brb |
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| 19:20.44 | Elive_user87 | hello |
| 19:20.52 | keyra | Elive_user87: hi |
| 19:27.24 | *** join/#elive GPLGeek (n=gplgeek@c-76-103-5-157.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 19:27.49 | GPLGeek | there is nothing worse than accidently booting into the wrong OS lol |
| 19:28.13 | GPLGeek | hit the wrong entry on the boot loader |
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| 19:31.16 | elmo40 | fun fun |
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| 19:31.40 | elmo40 | LinuxNIT: ping |
| 19:31.47 | LinuxNIT | sup |
| 19:31.51 | Maximilianoadl | hello / hola |
| 19:31.59 | keyra | Maximilianoadl: hi |
| 19:32.30 | Maximilianoadl | how can i reinstall the system without lossing /home content? |
| 19:32.45 | Maximilianoadl | ive downloaded a new version of elive... |
| 19:32.54 | GPLGeek | I've served up 10 copies of elive on this torrent, there are 5 active seeds, and no peers at the moment |
| 19:33.02 | Maximilianoadl | .6.5 |
| 19:33.03 | GPLGeek | so it should start having some real speed |
| 19:33.38 | GPLGeek | damn Maximilianoadl we are already on .6.7 |
| 19:33.47 | GPLGeek | which is based on stable etch |
| 19:34.59 | elmo40 | and yes, you can save your /home |
| 19:35.07 | keyra | elmo40: if you want to use the /home of another system, make a look to http://wiki.elivecd.org/community/es/blog/emamarro/hd_install_preventing_home_format |
| 19:35.07 | GPLGeek | anyways, im not exactly sure the process of upgrading saving your home but I think it is just dont format that partition and then choose to use it as /home. When it asks you what type of format there should be a "dont format" or a "none" or hit cancel or something. |
| 19:35.16 | keyra | GPLGeek: if you want to use the /home of another system, make a look to http://wiki.elivecd.org/community/es/blog/emamarro/hd_install_preventing_home_format |
| 19:35.39 | GPLGeek | oh cool you have links |
| 19:35.54 | GPLGeek | that's one of the things I wanted to test today |
| 19:36.37 | elmo40 | when i went from 0.6.4 to 0.6.6, it saved my home |
| 19:36.43 | Maximilianoadl | GPLGeek, thanks... ive changed video card, motherboard, cpu, memory, mouse, and keyboard.... almost the whole pc... and the x dont work after the change... ive done dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg but donesnt work |
| 19:37.30 | GPLGeek | what video card |
| 19:38.27 | *** topic/#elive by GPLGeek -> Welcome to Elive, feel free to ask questions || IMPORTANT: http://elivecd.org/gb/Main/News/_articles/58.html || MacBook users please join #elivemac || Elive 0.6.7 is out with many improvements, please try it, special features like improved resolutions for screens/laptops, we need to make it perfect! A new stable release soon! Use torrent if possible. |
| 19:38.56 | GPLGeek | are you using a 8800gtx or gts |
| 19:40.34 | Maximilianoadl | GPLGeek, in my dreams... ive "upgraded" to a riva tnt2 32mb... before i use SIS 305 |
| 19:41.29 | GPLGeek | You know you can get better than that for free right? |
| 19:43.20 | GPLGeek | if you are anywhere near me I'll give you a full box of computer parts |
| 19:43.49 | Maximilianoadl | not here... ime reinstalling into a pentium 2 350 mhz 256 mb ram rtl8029 eth card, sb16 pci sound card and maxtor 40gb 7200 rpm udma 100 working at 33mhz because of the ide chipset |
| 19:44.15 | Maximilianoadl | im in argentina (south america) |
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| 19:45.27 | Maximilianoadl | my "big" pc burn out his motherboard last week (a pentium 3 700 mhz, soyo 7bva) |
| 19:55.38 | GPLGeek | Maximilianoadl, I wonder how much it would cost to send you a box of computer parts |
| 19:56.48 | GPLGeek | damn 2 week shipping $503.75 |
| 19:56.52 | GPLGeek | thats crazy |
| 19:57.03 | Maximilianoadl | iwill buy an athlon 64 3ghz 1 gb ram and gforce6100 nvidia in about 2 months |
| 19:57.27 | Maximilianoadl | only 350 U$S |
| 19:59.23 | GPLGeek | for 2000$ I can get a system with 22" hd monitor, 2x Nvidia 8800, Asus motherboard, AMD64 6000+, 2 320gb 300MB/s hard drives, case, psu, high end keyboard/mouse/headset/speakers, dvd RW |
| 19:59.35 | GPLGeek | some other toys with it |
| 20:00.10 | Maximilianoadl | 2000 us dollars? |
| 20:00.28 | Maximilianoadl | my pay is about 400 dollars monthly... |
| 20:00.42 | GPLGeek | some stuff you can get way cheaper than me though |
| 20:00.47 | Maximilianoadl | ive got wife and a kid... imposible to me |
| 20:00.48 | GPLGeek | like tea or yerba mate |
| 20:00.53 | GPLGeek | you know the important things in life |
| 20:01.03 | Maximilianoadl | yea... yerba mate is cheap |
| 20:01.13 | GPLGeek | It is great stuff. |
| 20:03.19 | Maximilianoadl | see... p2 350 is enoght to me... only web browsing and mail reading |
| 20:03.37 | Maximilianoadl | elive works fine in this system |
| 20:03.37 | bech | hello eliveuser |
| 20:03.39 | GPLGeek | 2000$ being very expensive for me too. I can't afford it |
| 20:04.04 | GPLGeek | its my "in my dreams" pc with 8GB ram and such |
| 20:04.37 | bech | ^^ |
| 20:04.56 | bech | i want to get a new pc me too |
| 20:05.06 | Maximilianoadl | todya...any opengl capable machine is "in my dreams" system |
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| 20:05.09 | Maximilianoadl | today* |
| 20:05.27 | zecrazytux | what's the xmms client in elive ? |
| 20:05.35 | hermit2 | xmms |
| 20:06.01 | zecrazytux | oh i though it was a E xmms2 client :o |
| 20:06.20 | GPLGeek | I hate being poor |
| 20:06.32 | hermit2 | there is one but it doesn't have all the bells and whistles yet |
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| 20:07.57 | Maximilianoadl | GPLGeek, i prefer to being poor than "not being"... life is good |
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| 20:26.24 | Elive_user95 | Hi all |
| 20:26.42 | Elive_user95 | i have some question that i need answers for |
| 20:26.53 | Elive_user95 | is there anyone here that can help in |
| 20:27.28 | hermit2 | don't ask to ask just ask |
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| 20:28.29 | hermit2 | in other words, whats your question? |
| 20:28.36 | Elive_user95 | okay |
| 20:28.52 | Elive_user95 | My Laptop Centrino's Processor |
| 20:29.13 | Elive_user95 | the Temprature shows 58 C |
| 20:29.27 | Elive_user95 | then start the Fan to work to reduce the Temp. |
| 20:29.31 | Elive_user95 | is this normal ? |
| 20:29.37 | Elive_user95 | or should i do somthing |
| 20:29.39 | Elive_user95 | ? |
| 20:29.49 | hermit2 | yes, the fan should come on |
| 20:30.07 | hermit2 | 58C is rather warm. |
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| 20:30.16 | zecrazytux | it is :/ |
| 20:30.20 | zecrazytux | same for me |
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| 20:30.35 | zecrazytux | in fact it the fucking ati card which warms the laptop up |
| 20:30.48 | Thanatermesis | Elive_user95, the kernel knows when is needed to run the FAN, anyways, you can change those rules |
| 20:32.06 | Elive_user95 | aha |
| 20:32.09 | Elive_user95 | Do you mean its okay , to leave these settings as it is or should i change them ? |
| 20:32.10 | zecrazytux | it is correct |
| 20:32.22 | Thanatermesis | by default is ok |
| 20:32.29 | Thanatermesis | Elive_user95, whats your problem with the wifi ? |
| 20:32.37 | Thanatermesis | or in other words, what is the LINUX name driver of it ? |
| 20:33.28 | Elive_user95 | Okay |
| 20:33.38 | Elive_user95 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:33.49 | zecrazytux | no pb with it |
| 20:33.52 | Elive_user95 | I have the driver |
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| 20:34.05 | zecrazytux | do you have the firmware and the daemon ? |
| 20:34.11 | Elive_user95 | but i do not know how to install it under ELive |
| 20:34.28 | Elive_user95 | because i am a New in Linux World |
| 20:34.41 | Elive_user95 | wait let me check |
| 20:34.53 | Thanatermesis | one person has reported me the bug of it today too |
| 20:34.55 | zecrazytux | apt-get install firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d |
| 20:35.01 | keyra | Thanatermesis: http://bugs.elivecd.org |
| 20:35.04 | Thanatermesis | im not sure if i can fix it for the next stable version |
| 20:35.14 | Thanatermesis | i think to i can do it for the next dev. versions (new kernel) |
| 20:35.19 | Thanatermesis | is a very delicated stuff this driver |
| 20:35.20 | zecrazytux | Thanatermesis, ipw3945 works great on elive |
| 20:35.32 | zecrazytux | i used it for an evening |
| 20:35.38 | Thanatermesis | zecrazytux, by default ? |
| 20:35.38 | Elive_user95 | zecrazytux, |
| 20:35.43 | Elive_user95 | so what should i do ? |
| 20:35.43 | zecrazytux | no |
| 20:35.56 | zecrazytux | miss the firmware and the daemon |
| 20:36.16 | zecrazytux | btw, i always use networkmanager, which isn't installed |
| 20:36.24 | keyra | zecrazytux: Elive for MacBooks... soon on your Elive website, please join #elivemac (spam stuff, sorry ;) |
| 20:36.30 | zecrazytux | Elive_user95, read what i wrote |
| 20:36.42 | Elive_user95 | okay |
| 20:36.46 | Thanatermesis | zecrazytux, network-manager is installed, used on elpanel |
| 20:36.48 | Elive_user95 | i will install it now |
| 20:36.55 | Thanatermesis | zecrazytux, and firmwares are included i think, let me check... |
| 20:37.01 | zecrazytux | hum |
| 20:37.07 | zecrazytux | i did'nt saw it |
| 20:37.14 | zecrazytux | it ain't |
| 20:37.40 | zecrazytux | keyra, i have a hp pro laptop and i'm a sid user :) |
| 20:38.11 | Elive_user95 | zecrazytux, the firmware is installed |
| 20:38.26 | Thanatermesis | zecrazytux, the firmwares of Elive are not good and needs to are used the SID ones ? |
| 20:38.54 | Elive_user95 | but ipw3945d are not installed |
| 20:38.58 | zecrazytux | Thanatermesis, sorry i don't understand ur sentence ? |
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| 20:39.12 | Thanatermesis | zecrazytux, the daemon is needed, correct ? |
| 20:39.17 | zecrazytux | it is |
| 20:39.18 | Elive_user95 | Does this will make the Wlan work if i install it ? |
| 20:39.24 | zecrazytux | yes |
| 20:39.31 | Thanatermesis | ok, let me try it... |
| 20:39.42 | Thanatermesis | Elive_user95, very posible, try it, apt-get install ipw3945d |
| 20:39.56 | Elive_user95 | Thanatermesis,okay i will do now |
| 20:40.08 | Elive_user95 | Cross Finger |
| 20:40.57 | Elive_user95 | now the ipw3945d is installed |
| 20:41.02 | Elive_user95 | what is the next step ? |
| 20:41.16 | zecrazytux | network manager |
| 20:41.24 | Elive_user95 | okay |
| 20:41.27 | Elive_user95 | i think it work :D |
| 20:41.30 | Elive_user95 | I am happy :D |
| 20:41.41 | zecrazytux | check that you have a eth2 or wlan0 interface |
| 20:41.44 | zecrazytux | ifconfig -a |
| 20:41.57 | zecrazytux | ok, perfect |
| 20:42.08 | Elive_user95 | wow |
| 20:42.10 | Elive_user95 | it works |
| 20:42.13 | Thanatermesis | hum |
| 20:42.15 | zecrazytux | you should be able to see all wifi networks around you |
| 20:42.16 | Elive_user95 | I love you all Guys :D |
| 20:42.30 | Thanatermesis | only needed the daemon then ? |
| 20:42.30 | Elive_user95 | I can see them all now :D |
| 20:42.30 | Elive_user95 | Kisses :D |
| 20:42.38 | Thanatermesis | thanks zecrazytux :) |
| 20:42.41 | zecrazytux | and just click once on one of them |
| 20:42.41 | zecrazytux | and ur connected to the world, m8 |
| 20:42.58 | Elive_user95 | Greaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat zecrazytux and Thanatermesis |
| 20:42.59 | zecrazytux | ur welcome brotha ;) |
| 20:43.01 | Elive_user95 | I love you both |
| 20:43.11 | Elive_user95 | Great thing this Elive ;) |
| 20:43.58 | zecrazytux | though the firmware missed, in fact, as i know by heart what i need, i just apt-get install by hand :p |
| 20:44.05 | Elive_user95 | Thanatermesis, about bugs, i see when my Laptop boot in, it shows some Faild messages |
| 20:44.30 | zecrazytux | i may have install and reinstall distros around 15 times for 7 months |
| 20:44.31 | Elive_user95 | How can i read them now and Post bugs to help you to develope Elive ? |
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| 20:44.48 | zecrazytux | read your syslog |
| 20:45.02 | Citadel | hello all, question about sata_sil |
| 20:45.08 | Elive_user95 | zecrazytux, can you tell me the way please ? |
| 20:45.10 | keyra | Citadel: hi |
| 20:46.01 | Citadel | I have 2 sata cards, but only /dev/sd[s-d] loaded. I didn't get /dev/sd[e-h] like I should. |
| 20:46.17 | Citadel | sd[a-d]* |
| 20:46.20 | zecrazytux | sorry i did'nt noticed you spoke about booting time |
| 20:46.37 | Elive_user95 | yes i mean the booting time brother |
| 20:47.00 | Thanatermesis | <zecrazytux> though the firmware missed, in fact, as i know by heart what i need, i just apt-get install by hand :p |
| 20:47.03 | zecrazytux | good question :p |
| 20:47.13 | Thanatermesis | next time... other things like this, just inform me and i fix it by default on Elive |
| 20:47.20 | Elive_user95 | Another bug that i found , is that the Clcok will never show the correct time whatever i did |
| 20:47.24 | Thanatermesis | i can't have all the hardware of the world for test if all works good |
| 20:47.41 | Elive_user95 | I try to correct the time 3 times, but it show me always the wrong one :S |
| 20:47.49 | keyra | Elive_user95: Elive for MacBooks... soon on your Elive website, please join #elivemac (spam stuff, sorry ;) |
| 20:48.10 | zecrazytux | yeah ur right Thanatermesis but i would'nt have remember if Elive_user95 hasn't have the same problem ! |
| 20:48.26 | Citadel | I have the SiI 3114 and Sil 3124 cards, they are hooked up correctly I just had it working via SystemRescueCD |
| 20:48.27 | zecrazytux | in debian, it ain't a problem |
| 20:48.30 | hermit2 | did you go into elpanel and set your local in the user section? |
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| 20:48.39 | zecrazytux | that's why i did'nt care much |
| 20:49.08 | Elive_user95 | My Local time setting are correct, but |
| 20:49.36 | Elive_user95 | Whenever i change the time, it get wrong i the next boot |
| 20:49.52 | Thanatermesis | <Elive_user95> How can i read them now and Post bugs to help you to develope Elive ? |
| 20:49.59 | Citadel | bios battery? |
| 20:50.02 | Thanatermesis | keyra, where is the site of the bugs reports of Elive ? |
| 20:50.10 | keyra | Thanatermesis: http://bugs.elivecd.org |
| 20:50.30 | hermit2 | you set your time zone? |
| 20:50.40 | Thanatermesis | <Elive_user95> I try to correct the time 3 times, but it show me always the wrong one :S |
| 20:50.46 | Thanatermesis | the timer set stuff not works very good |
| 20:50.52 | Thanatermesis | always... windows can be broke it too |
| 20:50.56 | Elive_user95 | Thanatermesis, i just want be able to read the boot time messages after booting and report bugs, but i do not know the way |
| 20:50.56 | Thanatermesis | everytime you boot windows |
| 20:51.18 | Thanatermesis | <zecrazytux> yeah ur right Thanatermesis but i would'nt have remember if Elive_user95 hasn't have the same problem ! |
| 20:51.31 | Thanatermesis | the idea is "just works", directly... well, more users can have it ;) |
| 20:52.07 | Thanatermesis | Elive_user95, just read the messages and see if is a BUG or a simple message |
| 20:52.09 | FreeEagle | This is my Nickname which i used before |
| 20:52.19 | FreeEagle | i hope i will not get changed |
| 20:52.23 | Thanatermesis | you can see too some messages of "that thing not works", but sometimes are thinks to not needs to works |
| 20:52.23 | Thanatermesis | i mean |
| 20:52.42 | FreeEagle | I see |
| 20:52.49 | Thanatermesis | for example now, the daemon of ipw3945 is added for Elive, and a lot of users can't have this driver... then appears a message saying to not works |
| 20:53.59 | zecrazytux | why is based on debian as its "spirit" is same as ubuntu's one |
| 20:54.02 | zecrazytux | ? |
| 20:54.07 | keyra | zecrazytux: ubuntu is off topic |
| 20:54.16 | zecrazytux | hum |
| 20:54.28 | zecrazytux | can't i get an answer ? |
| 20:54.35 | Thanatermesis | lol |
| 20:54.50 | Thanatermesis | Elive has the same spirit of ubuntu ? i dont think so |
| 20:54.52 | FreeEagle | Thanatermesis, another thing, the driver of the Intel Graphic Cards, i think you should update it, because i have now Intel 950 and i still work with the Intel 810 as i guess which is supported with the Elive |
| 20:55.00 | zecrazytux | i'm a Debian user, but your aim is to provide something which runs out of the box, free or not |
| 20:55.05 | zecrazytux | that's ubuntu |
| 20:55.08 | keyra | zecrazytux: Debian r00lz ! |
| 20:55.10 | FreeEagle | the Problem that i do not get a good Graphics |
| 20:55.23 | zecrazytux | keyra, same for me |
| 20:55.25 | Thanatermesis | FreeEagle, and only 810 works for you ? or the other option too ? |
| 20:56.02 | FreeEagle | I used this time the Automatically option |
| 20:56.03 | Thanatermesis | zecrazytux, well, but thats maybe only one thing, ubuntu has other plans and stuff totally differents to Elive |
| 20:56.16 | zecrazytux | of course |
| 20:56.37 | zecrazytux | i did'nt said you should go to Ebuntu :o |
| 20:56.39 | zecrazytux | \O/ |
| 20:57.16 | zecrazytux | that was just about the "based on", as ubuntu include proprietary drivers |
| 20:57.31 | zecrazytux | as you want Elive to act |
| 20:57.44 | FreeEagle | Thanatermesis, the Graphiks are not good that much with the 810 driver, i need to install the 950 driver as long as its supported by Intel |
| 20:58.12 | hermit2 | I thought the 950 was already in there |
| 20:58.17 | zecrazytux | lucky you :) |
| 20:58.38 | FreeEagle | The thing that i do not like that much is installing drivers under Linux, because its for newbies some how difficult |
| 20:58.41 | zecrazytux | i have an ati |
| 20:58.46 | keyra | FreeEagle: compile a driver... check http://dev.elivecd.org/wiki/HowtoBuildDrivers and http://wiki.elivecd.org/index.php/Kernel%2C_drivers_and_stuff |
| 20:58.54 | Thanatermesis | i think o ubuntu are removing non-free drivers |
| 20:59.18 | zecrazytux | ? |
| 20:59.26 | zecrazytux | what's ur source ?! |
| 20:59.35 | FreeEagle | I have an ATI on my Desktop and never work |
| 20:59.45 | zecrazytux | they wanna write a gui to install easily proprietary drivers :s |
| 20:59.57 | zecrazytux | my ati works but its a bad crap ! |
| 21:00.11 | zecrazytux | i can't use rovclock (i wanna underclock it) |
| 21:00.19 | hermit2 | the ati in my kids machine works fine |
| 21:00.52 | zecrazytux | it makes my battery time going down |
| 21:00.59 | hermit2 | I think with ati your milage may vary |
| 21:01.23 | zecrazytux | till u can use radeon free driver ! |
| 21:01.39 | zecrazytux | fglrx is a fucking bad driver (and that's proprietary, poor us !) |
| 21:01.53 | zecrazytux | there's no composite support |
| 21:01.56 | FreeEagle | Thanatermesis, With ATI, the PC keep freezing |
| 21:02.22 | hermit2 | ati is finiky on windows too. always the driver problems |
| 21:02.30 | keyra | hermit2: Elive for MacBooks... soon on your Elive website, please join #elivemac (spam stuff, sorry ;) |
| 21:02.51 | hermit2 | Thanks Keyra, if only I had a mac book |
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| 21:03.07 | Thanatermesis | FreeEagle, thats "normal" on ati |
| 21:04.15 | FreeEagle | Thanatermesis, but why this happens just with Elive, but with Ubuntu and Mandriva never happen ? |
| 21:04.51 | zecrazytux | FreeEagle, logs ? |
| 21:04.59 | Thanatermesis | FreeEagle, http://thanatermesis.org/mediawiki/index.php/Article_Importance_of_Free_Drivers |
| 21:09.53 | FreeEagle | Thanatermesis, i will install tomorow Ubuntu on my Desktop and will install also the ATI driver |
| 21:09.53 | FreeEagle | So i can support you with the Logs that you want |
| 21:09.53 | FreeEagle | just tell me what you need to know and i will do it |
| 21:10.05 | FreeEagle | Another question to Thanatermesis , why we can not see as before Openoffice under Elive ? before it was installed already with the CD, now is not ? |
| 21:10.12 | FreeEagle | Thanatermesis, did you get my question please? |
| 21:10.45 | zecrazytux | FreeEagle, fglrx ? |
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| 21:11.32 | FreeEagle | yes, i use this driver for my ATI Card |
| 21:13.36 | GPLGeek | I heard 'radeon' is a less power driver than fglrx simply because it does not have full implimentation |
| 21:14.33 | GPLGeek | if you really care about saving battery make background and everything possible black |
| 21:14.44 | GPLGeek | lower the brightness |
| 21:15.16 | zecrazytux | i know |
| 21:15.29 | zecrazytux | if you got errors |
| 21:15.51 | Thanatermesis | <FreeEagle> Another question to Thanatermesis , why we can not see as before Openoffice under Elive ? before it was installed already with the CD, now is not ? |
| 21:15.53 | Thanatermesis | size needed |
| 21:15.55 | zecrazytux | cat /var/log/X.0.log | grep fglrx can help you to know why occurs |
| 21:15.57 | Thanatermesis | future feature in extra disk |
| 21:16.11 | GPLGeek | you can always apt-get install it |
| 21:16.19 | keyra | GPLGeek: Elive for MacBooks... soon on your Elive website, please join #elivemac (spam stuff, sorry ;) |
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| 21:16.36 | GPLGeek | but you dont need a bloated office system on the livecd |
| 21:16.45 | zecrazytux | i do not use oOo anymore but for presentations |
| 21:16.48 | zecrazytux | its too heavy |
| 21:17.06 | zecrazytux | keyra, your boring |
| 21:17.18 | GPLGeek | Well you can actually keep OOO installed "standalone" on a usb drive if you need to use it with the livecd mode. |
| 21:18.46 | zecrazytux | abiword is nice :) |
| 21:18.54 | zecrazytux | it runs great on my zaurus |
| 21:19.06 | zecrazytux | and it's complete |
| 21:19.28 | GPLGeek | google docs! |
| 21:21.04 | GPLGeek | http://docs.google.com/ http://mail.google.com/mail/ http://www.google.com/calendar/render?hl=en&pli=1 http://picasaweb.google.com/home?pli=1 http://www.google.com/language_tools?hl=en |
| 21:21.09 | GPLGeek | a complete office suite! |
| 21:22.21 | GPLGeek | I say just add those as "buttons" or a drop down menu in bookmarks folder to any browser and you dont need abiword |
| 21:22.27 | zecrazytux | can we get the source code ? |
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| 21:23.09 | GPLGeek | I dont know, check, google opens a lot of its code |
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| 21:35.23 | Elive_user95 | Hi again |
| 21:35.50 | elmo40 | well, did a check to see how much space an Office 'system' takes: Gnome-office 201Mb, Koffice 186Mb, OpenOffice.org 260Mb. I think I will stick with Abiword ;) |
| 21:35.55 | Elive_user95 | Thanatermesis, now i am using my Wlan which you with zecrazytux helped me to make it work again |
| 21:36.00 | Elive_user95 | thanks alot |
| 21:36.40 | elmo40 | Elive_user95: now change your Nick |
| 21:36.47 | elmo40 | what shall we call you? |
| 21:36.57 | zecrazytux | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:37.04 | Elive_user95 | A question to Thanatermesis , what was the resone behind removing Open office from Elive ? |
| 21:37.16 | zecrazytux | space |
| 21:37.17 | Elive_user95 | okay |
| 21:37.30 | zecrazytux | cuz a cd can weight till 700mo |
| 21:37.43 | zecrazytux | not more and oOo is quite heavy |
| 21:37.47 | FreeEagle-1 | well |
| 21:38.14 | FreeEagle-1 | hummm |
| 21:38.32 | FreeEagle-1 | Does this mean that i can use if want to install it |
| 21:38.50 | elmo40 | FreeEagle-1: did you see my previous message about installed spaces for various office suites? Approx 200Mb extra space required. |
| 21:38.52 | Thanatermesis | aha |
| 21:39.12 | elmo40 | FreeEagle-1: apt-get update&&apt-get upgrade && apt-get install openoffice.org |
| 21:39.40 | elmo40 | GPLGeek: the 'problem |
| 21:40.05 | elmo40 | ' with googles online apps, they consume bandwidth! We have a finite amount of it. People think it is unlimited! |
| 21:40.27 | zecrazytux | abiword + gnumeric ;) |
| 21:40.30 | FreeEagle-1 | thx elmo40 |
| 21:40.43 | elmo40 | having a server and many terminals is one thing, usually in a large LAN, but having a remote server loading apps and gui and transfering data/files is another thing. |
| 21:40.54 | FreeEagle-1 | these commands for installing Openoffice under ELive? |
| 21:41.00 | elmo40 | ya, gnumeric is fine, kinda limited though, but still fine :) |
| 21:41.06 | elmo40 | FreeEagle-1: you have to be root. |
| 21:41.16 | elmo40 | FreeEagle-1: have you used Linux before? |
| 21:41.26 | FreeEagle-1 | no |
| 21:41.32 | FreeEagle-1 | i am new |
| 21:42.14 | elmo40 | ok |
| 21:42.20 | elmo40 | first thing first. |
| 21:42.33 | elmo40 | press Alt+Esc, that will open the 'RUN' command |
| 21:42.43 | elmo40 | then type: synaptic |
| 21:42.53 | FreeEagle | ya |
| 21:43.03 | elmo40 | that will open the GUI for apt |
| 21:43.12 | zecrazytux | new to linux, directlly to elive :) |
| 21:43.18 | elmo40 | zecrazytux: nice, eh? |
| 21:43.28 | zecrazytux | hummm, good luck, but you can suceed, luke |
| 21:43.31 | elmo40 | FreeEagle: you american? |
| 21:44.31 | FreeEagle | no i am Iraqi |
| 21:44.37 | FreeEagle | :) can you imagin |
| 21:44.41 | FreeEagle | iraqi using Elive |
| 21:44.43 | FreeEagle | and |
| 21:44.49 | FreeEagle | Live in Germany :D |
| 21:44.55 | zecrazytux | huhu |
| 21:44.56 | FreeEagle | I love Linux |
| 21:45.02 | zecrazytux | good guy :) |
| 21:45.07 | elmo40 | wow, iraqi, with free eagle as a nick. what is the meaning of freeEagle? |
| 21:45.12 | FreeEagle | i have just linux on my Laptop |
| 21:45.16 | FreeEagle | no Windows more :) |
| 21:45.22 | elmo40 | ok |
| 21:45.33 | elmo40 | anyways... FreeEagle, you have synaptic open? |
| 21:45.38 | FreeEagle | Well, i like to live free |
| 21:45.53 | FreeEagle | no American and no Jall |
| 21:45.56 | FreeEagle | just free |
| 21:45.58 | zecrazytux | FreeEagle, you were elive_user95 before ? |
| 21:46.00 | FreeEagle | Like Linux :D |
| 21:46.05 | FreeEagle | yes i am |
| 21:46.10 | FreeEagle | yes |
| 21:46.15 | elmo40 | look for openoffice.org, select it, then click YES to everything. It is about 260Mb of space. Will take a while to download approx 105Mb of files. |
| 21:46.17 | zecrazytux | ok ;) |
| 21:46.39 | FreeEagle | okay dude |
| 21:46.41 | FreeEagle | i will do |
| 21:47.37 | zecrazytux | you seem to be sure and motivated enought to get stuck on elive, or to another distro as "non easy" as debian & co |
| 21:47.39 | zecrazytux | :) |
| 21:48.01 | zecrazytux | that's good |
| 21:48.10 | FreeEagle | i am in love with Elive |
| 21:48.14 | FreeEagle | the best ever for me |
| 21:48.30 | FreeEagle | nice, light to pc and stable Debian :) |
| 21:48.38 | keyra | FreeEagle: Debian r00lz ! |
| 21:48.49 | FreeEagle | all in one, and therefore i like to participate to develope it |
| 21:49.11 | FreeEagle | i would do everything that can support this Distro. |
| 21:49.25 | zecrazytux | keyra, nice script :D |
| 21:49.57 | zecrazytux | is keyra a bot ? |
| 21:50.01 | zecrazytux | whois |
| 21:50.02 | zecrazytux | : |
| 21:50.02 | FreeEagle | elmo40, if i want to add arabic support to the open office to write in arabic is this possible ? |
| 21:50.03 | zecrazytux | :D |
| 21:50.05 | keyra | zecrazytux: you think it ? |
| 21:50.29 | zecrazytux | keyra le belge :D huhu |
| 21:50.41 | hermit2 | in boolean is 0 = no and 1 = yes? |
| 21:50.50 | zecrazytux | ? |
| 21:50.51 | zecrazytux | yes |
| 21:50.57 | zecrazytux | why ? |
| 21:51.07 | zecrazytux | didn't u know ? :o |
| 21:51.39 | hermit2 | I am not a coder and have not needed to know these things before |
| 21:51.48 | elmo40 | FreeEagle: i think there is an arabic library for OpenOffice. |
| 21:52.12 | FreeEagle | aha |
| 21:52.32 | FreeEagle | Do you have any idea how can i add it to my OPen office ? |
| 21:52.52 | hermit2 | but see i did know but needed confirmation that I was right |
| 21:53.00 | elmo40 | in synaptic, there is a Search function. Just type Arabic. see what comes up |
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| 21:53.55 | elmo40 | you may also want to change your 'locales' and add arabic (dont ask me which 2-letter combo will work for that) |
| 21:54.13 | FreeEagle | hehehe |
| 21:54.24 | FreeEagle | thanks anyway for the great help dude |
| 21:55.51 | elmo40 | anytime |
| 21:58.00 | FreeEagle | okay guys, i will leave you today, but i will come to visit the channel daily and will try to support you with some thimgs that maybe could develope ELive :) bye bye and take care |
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| 21:59.21 | elmo40 | very enthusiastic, eh? |
| 21:59.50 | elmo40 | Thanatermesis: anything need editing today? |
| 22:00.14 | Thanatermesis | elmo40, apart of the changelog... not very more |
| 22:01.49 | elmo40 | ok |
| 22:02.06 | elmo40 | i see many files here, why dont you delete some to clear things up ;) |
| 22:02.23 | elmo40 | 4 of them are called 'new' anyways. |
| 22:02.58 | Thanatermesis | well, thats just the gobby memory, phisically are removed (see the color of it on the list of files) |
| 22:03.20 | elmo40 | yes, they are all Grey. |
| 22:03.30 | elmo40 | so how do you delete them? shut down the sobby server or something? |
| 22:04.18 | Thanatermesis | yes, close the session from here and open it again |
| 22:04.25 | Thanatermesis | but then, colors of our editions are removed |
| 22:05.04 | elmo40 | so you still want to use the files for something later? |
| 22:06.02 | Thanatermesis | yes,but colors go |
| 22:06.17 | Thanatermesis | well, files are saved, but no colors of our editions by users |
| 22:06.38 | elmo40 | after they are used, does it matter anymore? |
| 22:06.55 | elmo40 | you put those files in 0.6.7, right? So we continue from there |
| 22:12.03 | Thanatermesis | <elmo40> after they are used, does it matter anymore? |
| 22:12.10 | Thanatermesis | no.. but is useful for see "our traces" |
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