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00:43.35Elive_user62PrinceAMD, ping this is mathmanp
00:45.52Elive_user62PrinceAMD, the list part won|t work with cvs. haven|t figured out the reasons yet. same problem with darkrock
00:48.13Elive_user62will try to figure out
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01:55.37puchoegrub: Hola, que tal?
01:55.58egrubpucho: hola de nuevo
01:56.05Thybohello pucho egrub :)
01:56.12keyraegrub: que tal ?
01:56.26keyraThybo: hi
01:56.39puchoegrub: toy bajando.. boludeando je
01:56.45egrub:)
01:56.48Thyboapt: kill keyra
01:56.49aptACTION shoots a excited quark gun at keyra
01:56.53Thybopucho, es argentinooooooo
01:56.54Thybojajaja
01:57.06Thyboboludeando jeje eso si es argentino jeje
01:57.52puchoThybo: Yes!
01:58.28Thybojeje ;)
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06:18.30Gat-mandoes elive come with compiz, aiglx, or beryl?
06:19.50Gat-manby default that is
06:19.53LinuxNITno
06:20.01Gat-mannone?
06:20.02LinuxNITelive uses the e17 and e16 window managers
06:20.15Gat-mando they have good effects?
06:20.56LinuxNITyes.
06:21.59Gat-manok
06:22.06Gat-mandoes elive come in livecd?
06:22.17LinuxNITyes it does
06:22.21Gat-manhttp://youtube.com/watch?v=WECT_IgFf8c
06:22.33Gat-manis that how it looks like by default?
06:23.28LinuxNITwell not the background....
06:23.34Gat-manalso, what download manager does it use?
06:23.35Gat-manapt?
06:23.44LinuxNITyes apt/synaptic
06:24.30Gat-mansweet
06:24.39Gat-manit's basically debian with e right?
06:24.46LinuxNITyes
06:24.50LinuxNITit uses full debian repos
06:25.03LinuxNIThowever a few packages are different versions to make things work better
06:25.21LinuxNITplus it has elpanel on it which is an edje based control panel
06:25.58Gat-mansweet
06:26.08Gat-manis it recommended for a noob?
06:26.46Gat-manhttp://youtube.com/watch?v=10kg2aSB8q4&mode=related&search=            <------ what isw that background?
06:26.51LinuxNITthe best i can say to that is give it a shot... different things work for different people
06:27.05LinuxNITthat is the power of edje
06:27.14LinuxNITit allows for animated backgrounds
06:27.50Gat-mansweet
06:27.52Gat-manhttp://elive.cmhacks.com/development/
06:27.57Gat-manis that the livecd one??
06:28.20LinuxNITelive is only livecd
06:28.24LinuxNITbut it is installable
06:28.47Gat-mano
06:28.55Gat-manwhat version of debian?
06:29.06LinuxNITetch
06:29.12Gat-manis that the latest one?
06:29.16LinuxNITlatest stable
06:29.20Gat-mansweet
06:29.27Gat-manso what is so instable about it?
06:29.28LinuxNIT<LinuxNIT> latest stable<< etch is the latest stable
06:29.54LinuxNITinstable? like as in not stable?
06:29.54Gat-manok, I'm gonna go burn it now :)
06:30.17Gat-man<LinuxNIT> but it is installable          < I thought you said instable sorry
06:30.25LinuxNITah
06:30.27LinuxNITno worries
06:31.39Gat-manok, this is kinda noobish but, I want to install it on G:\, I have no idea what that will be called during installation...
06:32.07LinuxNIThave you ever used linux?
06:32.10Gat-manyes
06:32.19Gat-manevery distro :)
06:32.20LinuxNITwhat are you on right now?
06:32.24LinuxNITlol
06:32.24Gat-manexept slackware
06:32.27LinuxNITive been there
06:32.41Gat-manI'm using Windows right now, I only have suse installed.
06:32.46Gat-manbefore that I had ubuntu
06:32.55Gat-manand before that I had debian
06:32.56keyraGat-man: windows is copyrighted, patented, and you are violating 235 patents
06:33.04Gat-manwhy?
06:39.17LinuxNITignore keyra
06:39.18keyraGat-man: ubuntu is off topic
06:39.18Gat-manis it a bot?
06:39.18LinuxNITyes
06:39.18LinuxNITa stupid bot
06:39.18Gat-manstupid bots
06:39.18Gat-manmade in perl?
06:39.18LinuxNITnot sure
06:39.18keyraLinuxNIT: no... stupid human
06:39.18LinuxNIThow many hard drives do you have installed?
06:39.18Gat-manI have 2, 5 partitions on one, and 4 on the other one.
06:39.18Gat-manI want to leave the one wiht 4 partations linux-free :)
06:39.20Gat-manright now, I only have 1 ext3 partiton
06:39.20Gat-manand I'm running SuSE on it, so I dont want to reformat it.
06:39.20Gat-manG:\
06:39.20Gat-manis on the one with 5 partitions
06:39.21Gat-manI wanna use that one
06:39.21LinuxNITsuse is on G:?
06:39.21Gat-manno, suse is on the ONLY ext3 partition that I have
06:39.21LinuxNITok
06:39.21Gat-manand I want it
06:39.21LinuxNITright
06:39.21LinuxNIT:)
06:39.21Gat-manso I want to make G:\ which is ntfs, ext3, so I can test elive on it...
06:39.22keyraGat-man: ntfs ? hahahaha, what are you trying to do ? you know to that filesystem is made by gates for fuck the linux users ? is specially made closed and in a way totally incompatible with all and all standards, don't use it, you lost your time ! (and you data lol)
06:39.22LinuxNITim not sure what G: will show up as under linux... because linux reports them as hda1 hda2 hda3 etc
06:39.22Gat-manyeah...
06:39.23Gat-manthats what I was asking
06:39.23LinuxNITwhich in linux the naming is always the same but in windows in can jump around :-/
06:39.23keyraLinuxNIT: Elive for MacBooks !!! http://elivecd.org/gb/Download/MacBook/
06:39.24LinuxNIThowever... if you formated G to fat32 then youll know when you get into linux ;)
06:39.24LinuxNITlet me check something...
06:39.31Gat-manI dont even know if its fat or ntfs :P
06:39.47Gat-manok its ntfs
06:39.55Gat-manshould I reformat it to fat32?
06:42.25LinuxNITwill windows diskmanagement tool tell you what parition it is?
06:42.35LinuxNITor does it just call it G:
06:42.39keyraLinuxNIT: windows is copyrighted, patented, and you are violating 235 patents
06:43.42Gat-manjust tell the admin to kick it
06:44.00LinuxNIT:-/
06:45.25Gat-manwho runs it?
06:46.36LinuxNITthe admin
06:46.52LinuxNITim gonna try and get him to make it only talk when spoken too
06:46.54LinuxNITto
06:48.07Gat-manwho's the admin?
06:49.09LinuxNIT<Gat-man> should I reformat it to fat32? << thats one way to make it so you know what partition to use
06:50.36LinuxNITim sure there is a better way to find it but im not familiar with how MS Windowz labels partitions
06:51.00Gat-manI know how to do it :P
06:52.15LinuxNIT:)
06:59.43i3dLinuxNIT: hows going?
06:59.55LinuxNIThey i3d
07:00.03LinuxNITsore but good and yourself?
07:00.17i3dnot bad... hey do you know python?
07:00.35i3dsorry its probably a little off-topic
07:01.00LinuxNIT"know" it no but i do work with it
07:01.07LinuxNITthats what i write my little apps in
07:01.53LinuxNITi guess i know it... i just dont know it really well
07:02.18LinuxNITthere is sooo much to learn about a language :-/
07:02.48LinuxNITi3d, what did you want to know?
07:03.29i3doh.. its a small question. do you know if python can do an optional string formatting?
07:03.33i3dexample:
07:04.15i3dfoo = '{"person" : {"email":"%s", %s}}' The second %s is kinda an optional, but python seems not like it
07:05.34i3dbasically, I am trying to see if there is a way I can do foo % (email, name) and foo % email
07:05.41Gat-mandoes python have a compiler?
07:05.49i3dGat-man: ya
07:05.53i3dpvm
07:05.53Gat-manweird
07:06.02Gat-manI downloaded it and its not there
07:06.02i3dwhat weird?
07:06.18i3dpython executable?
07:06.58LinuxNIThmmm
07:07.22Gat-manI onlt have IDLE (python gui)
07:07.23Gat-manModule Docs
07:07.23Gat-manPython (command one)
07:07.23Gat-manPython manual
07:07.23Gat-manuninstall python
07:07.32Gat-mans\onlt\only
07:08.10Gat-manwhich one is the compiler?
07:08.25LinuxNITpython does not have to be compiled
07:08.31i3dit does not have a separate compiler
07:08.48i3dmeaning it does not require to explicitly compiled before run
07:09.09i3dpython does it when you invoke the code, it puts pyc file for you
07:09.38Gat-manso how do I make a program?
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07:09.47i3dwrite like a script
07:10.01i3dan run like a script
07:10.11LinuxNITyes python is considered a scripting language
07:10.42LinuxNITkeyra, you are off topic
07:10.56keyraLinuxNIT: no, Im IN topic, I LOVE ELIVE, I LOVE APT, I LOVE DEBIAN, I LOVE ALL ! (except ubuntu, off topic)
07:11.06LinuxNITLOL
07:11.09Gat-manlame
07:11.18LinuxNITubuntu
07:11.32keyraLinuxNIT: ubuntu is off topic
07:11.37Gat-manI know syntax of php, c++, perl, html, css, and js.
07:12.39LinuxNITi3d, im not sure about the answer to your question
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07:13.00i3dGat-man: well you know a lot
07:13.19LinuxNITubuntu
07:13.24i3dLinuxNIT: was looking for overloading the % operator, but didn't find either
07:15.20LinuxNITwindows
07:15.40LinuxNIT:)
07:26.52Gat-manbrb, installing elive :)
07:41.22GPLGeekkeyra, keyra is off topic
07:41.37keyraGPLGeek: no, Im IN topic, I LOVE ELIVE, I LOVE APT, I LOVE DEBIAN, I LOVE ALL ! (except ubuntu, off topic)
07:41.47GPLGeekkeyra, is is is
07:42.02GPLGeekoh that's gotta be a confusing one if it remembers it
07:43.41GPLGeekkeyra, is
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07:57.00gat-manwow
07:57.11gat-manthis is amazing!
07:57.16gat-manI love it!
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07:59.34gat-manlol how do I reboot?
07:59.55LinuxNITyou stay here long enough for someone to respond
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08:01.39LinuxNIThey
08:01.41gat-manLinuxNIT, how do I reboot?
08:01.48gat-manlol
08:02.16LinuxNITdoes the login screen look blueish with things that move around on it?
08:02.24gat-manno
08:02.27gat-manit's golden
08:02.30LinuxNITok
08:02.54gat-manim gonna do ctrl+backspace
08:02.56LinuxNITthere should be an icon that has two rotating arrows
08:03.03LinuxNITwhen you logout
08:03.26gat-manok
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08:17.03gat-mandoes elive have wabbly windows and such?
08:17.32LinuxNITno that is compiz/beryl
08:18.16gat-manoh..
08:18.19gat-manok
08:18.35gat-manso can I ask you a couple of very basic questions?
08:18.36gat-manplease
08:19.02LinuxNITsure
08:19.13gat-manok
08:19.32gat-manis e the only environment I can run?
08:19.42LinuxNITthe only window manager?
08:19.46LinuxNITno you can install others
08:19.53gat-manlike KDE and GNOME?
08:20.06LinuxNITyes you can but it kind of defeats the purpose
08:20.16gat-manyeah I know
08:20.18gat-manjust wondering
08:20.20LinuxNITelive uses e17/e16 because they are much lighter weight
08:20.31gat-manhow can I access my files?
08:20.44LinuxNITthunar is the filemanager
08:20.57LinuxNITthere is a launcher for it on the launch bar at the bottom
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08:21.11gat-manwhat's it look like?
08:21.23gat-manjeee, why isn't there text on them?
08:21.32Elive_user89gat-man, you're stupid!
08:21.37gat-manno you are!
08:21.52gat-manlol, im user 89
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08:21.55LinuxNIThaha talking to your slef?
08:21.58LinuxNITi know you are ;)
08:22.11Elive_user89so this is the famous xchat
08:22.15LinuxNITyes
08:22.40LinuxNITthe icon is kind of a blue folder
08:22.51LinuxNITor just hit alt+esc and type in thunar
08:22.51LinuxNIT;)
08:23.17Elive_user89great!
08:23.34Elive_user89this is by far, the most user friendly distro.
08:23.41LinuxNIThttp://elivecd.org/gb/Main/Screenshots/E16/_previews/033.jpg.html
08:23.51LinuxNITin that screen shot its the one just left of firefox
08:23.53Elive_user89just one thing I hate about it; you have to pay for the stable version.
08:24.16LinuxNITthere is the option for a slower download for the stable version
08:25.00Elive_user89no, its says "sorry, the server cannot run anymore, we cannot effort it" or something fimiliar
08:25.13LinuxNITthen whats it say after that?
08:25.25Elive_user89email us if you cannot effort it
08:25.34LinuxNIT;)
08:25.54LinuxNITthe dontation can be as large or small as you wish as well.
08:26.21Elive_user89do they actually let you download it?
08:26.29LinuxNITafter the donation?
08:26.42LinuxNITyes
08:26.58Elive_user89No
08:27.14Elive_user89why wont my fscking nick change?
08:27.21Elive_user89/nick gman
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08:27.48gmanwhat happend there?
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08:28.00gmansee the point remains, you have to pay to get it.
08:28.07gmanits just a matter of how much you pay
08:28.49LinuxNITif you cant pay... email thats what it says... other than that i wont say much about the donation thing... its not my distro
08:28.59LinuxNITi just use it :)
08:29.21gmanhow do I save to desktop dude?
08:29.40LinuxNITthe desktop does not have icons in e17... yet
08:29.46gmanhehe
08:29.48gmanhaha
08:29.56gmanwhat is on the desktop then?
08:30.03gmanthey should include more toolbars
08:30.06LinuxNITa nice pretty image
08:30.09gmanlol
08:30.28gmancan I use another theme?
08:30.29LinuxNITbrb... rebooting to a differ partitoin
08:30.43LinuxNITyes there are some themes in synaptic you can install
08:30.44LinuxNITbrb
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08:34.19LinuxNITback
08:35.16gmanhey
08:35.31gmanok, it wont lemme rewrite source.list
08:35.47gmanI want to download this: http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/php5.htm
08:36.39gmanit tells me to do that, but when I edit sources.list, it says "read-only"
08:36.39LinuxNITyou need to be root to edit the sources.list
08:36.58gmanok, I only know to login as root via terminal.
08:37.55gmanso what can I do?
08:37.57LinuxNITthats the best way to do it
08:38.11gmanok, I only know how to do su, how do I open the file?
08:38.18LinuxNITnever login to the desktop as root
08:38.37LinuxNITtype the name of your text editor then the path to file
08:38.47LinuxNITnano is decent for non-graphical
08:38.55gmanok
08:38.56LinuxNITi think elive default graphical is cream
08:39.04gmanyes it is
08:39.26gmanby why is logining in to desktop as root is dangrous? everyone says that.
08:39.54LinuxNITlinux is designed to be used as user and have admin done as root....
08:40.23LinuxNITfor one thing... if you doing things as a user... you can accidentaly screw something up.
08:40.43gmanjust by deleting files and such?
08:40.44LinuxNITfor another thing... if you run every program as root then every program has access to the system files
08:40.50LinuxNITyes for one
08:40.52gmanok
08:41.00gmanbtw, how do I create a new panel?
08:41.03gmanlike the bottom one
08:41.33LinuxNITsay the user executes a malicious script.... it can only effect the files the user has access to which are in /home/username/
08:41.41LinuxNITthis will not hare the systme
08:41.51LinuxNITthis will not harm the system
08:42.38gmanok
08:43.34gmanhmm
08:43.39gmanyou know what weird?
08:44.49LinuxNIT?
08:46.06gmanwhy cant I copy stuff from terminal?
08:46.39LinuxNIThighlight the text and use middle click to paste
08:46.53keyraLinuxNIT: http://paste.elivecd.net ?
08:47.16gmanServer not found
08:47.17gman<PROTECTED>
08:47.19gman<PROTECTED>
08:47.21gman<PROTECTED>
08:47.23gman<PROTECTED>
08:47.25gmanIceweasel can't find the server at paste.elivecd.net.
08:48.41LinuxNITkeyra, is not uptodate i guess
08:49.30gmanok, well im typing this: root@localhost[/home/gman]# nano etc/apt/sources.list
08:49.42gmanand all it does is open a new file
08:50.21LinuxNITyou left of the first /
08:50.33LinuxNIT;)
08:50.38gmanlol
08:51.34gmancan you please tell me how to make a new panel?
08:51.40LinuxNITpanel?
08:51.51gmanyou know, like the lower one on the screen...
08:52.05LinuxNITthe launcher?
08:52.09gmanyeah
08:52.41LinuxNITthat is a module called ibar
08:52.55LinuxNITi dont think you can get multiple ibars
08:52.57LinuxNITim not sure
08:53.01gmanoh :(
08:53.02gmano
08:53.12gmanI saw it on that youtube video
08:53.38LinuxNIT?
08:53.59gmanthe one I showed you earlier
08:54.04LinuxNITyou can add icons to it
08:55.05LinuxNIThttp://youtube.com/watch?v=WECT_IgFf8c ?
08:55.13gmanhow do I add icons?
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08:55.23LinuxNITthere is only one ibar on that
08:55.25THEoraclehello all
08:55.28LinuxNIThello THEoracle
08:55.39keyraTHEoracle: hi
08:55.42gmanhello
08:56.05gmanLinuxINT, how do I install flash?
08:56.08THEoraclei see that "1.0" has been released
08:56.10THEoracle:-)
08:56.15LinuxNITgman, to add icons to it go to elpanel look n feel e17  entangle
08:56.31LinuxNITflash isnt installed?
08:56.34LinuxNITwtf
08:56.52gmanyeah it isn't...
08:57.05LinuxNITthats odd...
08:57.36THEoraclewhere can i get a copy of the new iso?
08:57.43LinuxNITwell download the tar.gz file and run the install script in side... when it asks for the install path use /usr/lib/iceweasel
08:57.47THEoraclethe free download link on the site doesn't work
08:59.14gmanLinuxNIT, can I apt-get it?
08:59.50LinuxNITmaybe... search apt
09:00.03gmanapt-get search flash?
09:00.11gmanis that the command?
09:00.16LinuxNITapt-cache
09:00.19gmanok
09:00.21LinuxNITor use synaptic
09:02.13THEoraclewhere can I get a copy of the new .iso ?
09:02.41gmandevopment section
09:03.39gmanLinuxNIT, on that video, do you see the toolbar on the far-top-left of the screen?
09:03.51LinuxNITyes... that is ibox
09:03.58LinuxNITit contains minimized windows
09:04.10gmanhow do I do thaT?
09:04.16LinuxNITits there already
09:04.23LinuxNITminimize a window
09:05.08LinuxNITTHEoracle, as far as 1.0 gem goes youll have to donate or talk to thana... i dont have the authority to give out links
09:05.11LinuxNIT:-/
09:05.30THEoraclethanks
09:05.46gmanwhat if some one leeches the link?
09:06.06gmanbrb
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09:07.57Elive_user89hey, e16 is pretty cool.
09:08.04Elive_user89its kinda better than1 17
09:08.59LinuxNITboth have advantages
09:09.01LinuxNIT:)
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13:58.11THEoraclehello PrinceAMD
13:58.16THEoraclehow's it goin?
13:58.25keyraTHEoracle: hi
13:58.34PrinceAMDi'm good
13:58.41THEoraclegood to hear it
13:59.09PrinceAMDthanks :)
13:59.12PrinceAMDhow are u man?
13:59.17THEoraclehey.....how can i get an .iso of the new gem release?
13:59.26THEoraclethe free link is down apparently
13:59.29PrinceAMDu have to donate
13:59.59PrinceAMDtrust me u'r going to love it when  u get it
14:00.52THEoraclei bet
14:02.24PrinceAMDi'm telling yah
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14:07.23THEoracledownloading now
14:07.41THEoracleanything i need to know about this one?
14:08.20Thybolol
14:08.28Thybomight explode
14:08.50THEoraclefire extinguisher is on standby
14:08.51THEoraclelol
14:12.28THEoraclewhere can i view a package list?
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14:13.07THEoraclecurious as to what kernel, gcc, nvidia & ati drivers included etc
14:15.09wesevenTHEoracle, http://elivecd.org/gb/Download/Stable/  ;)
14:15.39THEoraclewhere?
14:15.59wesevenhttp://elivecd.org/gb/Download/Stable/
14:16.08THEoraclelol
14:16.18THEoracleif i scrolled down it would work better
14:16.31wesevenlol
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14:52.31Thyboi get a segment fault on trying to delete a folder...:|
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15:37.14Elive_user89PrinceAMD, ping
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15:44.38FreeEagleHi all
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16:05.17Elive_user43hi
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16:11.08MaximilianoADLbuenas / good afternoon
16:11.22keyraMaximilianoADL: nas nas
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16:14.26mathmanpPrinceAMD, ping
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16:17.55PrinceAMDmathmanp, pong
16:18.44mathmanpPrinceAMD, I think I could fix it, at leat partially, if it would edje_decc properly
16:19.25mathmanpI actually kind of fixed darkrock
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16:23.53PrinceAMDmathmanp, ok
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16:25.04mathmanpPrinceAMD, so if you could get a source tarball, I could do it.
16:25.55PrinceAMDmathmanp, cool i'll ping u back when i do
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16:48.01zphinxHey folks, is there any repo i could add in the list for xgl servers and the like?
16:49.01LinuxNIT-IIlike for beryl or compiz?
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16:52.59zphinxxcompmgr can apparently handle that for e17 im reading
16:53.23zphinxI just cant find any xgl servers in the repos
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16:55.45LinuxNITxcompmgr is for X composite
16:56.00marcfphi
16:56.42zphinxWhere to i enable composite in xorg.conf then?
16:56.56keyrazphinx: http://wiki.elivecd.org/index.php?title=Xorg_Composite
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17:00.36LinuxNITfreeeagle is that you?
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17:08.23jjmoi, mistä saisi ladattua Gemin?
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17:10.13kevin_HELO irc
17:10.27LinuxNIThowdy kevin_
17:10.50marcfphi kevin_ :)
17:11.06kevin_all good?
17:11.07LinuxNITkevin_, hopefully you wont get me yelling at you as much anymore... keyra dosnet talk as much now so i wont be miss typeing and getting your name ;)
17:11.32LinuxNITi kinda mess up on the tab complete sometimes hehe
17:11.57illu_:)
17:11.59LinuxNITlol
17:12.19illu_that my 'real' nick
17:12.33illu_so i've not enougth motivation to config xchat
17:12.46LinuxNIT-IIlol
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17:35.31zphinxAnyone else with a radeon here have problems with voice sync in movies?
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18:04.47PrinceAMDzphinx,  i have ati radeon 9200 se
18:05.42zphinxGot any problems with voice sync in movies?
18:05.57zphinxAnd do you use radeon or fgrlx?
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18:25.19G-manLinuxNIT: sup.
18:26.50Thybogat-man, how dare u come in here?...
18:26.55Thyboafter insulting everybody???
18:27.03Thyboget some manners...
18:27.06Thybothan come back
18:27.09keyraThybo: with only one "?" you have sufficient
18:27.14Thyboapt: kill keyra
18:27.15aptACTION shoots a ionized pseudoelectron gun at keyra
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18:39.25minamatahi gang
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18:42.03minamataboot on elive livecd no later than yesterday : it was working find. Surprising because allmost all the distro I tried failed to boot (scanning for USB devices for hours....). So I am thining about installong Elive to HDrive. Will the script ask me for lthe place to put the bootloader (MBR or partition) ?
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18:42.53minamataexcuse the typos....
18:42.56Thyboyes minamata the script will ask you
18:43.05minamatagreat
18:43.22minamataHow about distr-upgrade ?
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18:44.27minamatais it working "as is"? do I need to modify sources.list?
18:44.40Thyboits working
18:44.42Gat-mantype /msg NickServ IDENTIFY <gordon>
18:44.48Thybobut i do recommend simple upgrades
18:44.52Thyboapt-get upgrade
18:44.55Thybomore than dist upgrade
18:45.10minamataor is there a livecd install over an already Elive Partition?
18:45.14Gat-mansu
18:46.06Thybohmm
18:46.18Thybou have elive and want to reinstal last version?
18:46.44minamatayes for example, Thybo
18:46.57minamatai keep my setting, home, etc
18:47.05Gat-manI just installed elive yesterday, and it corrupted my windows partation.
18:47.06minamataand  keep my setting, home, etc
18:47.19keyraGat-man: Elive don't like windows, don't use it, is compatible with all and only give problems
18:47.32ThyboGat-man, piss offf...
18:47.47Thybountil u apologise for what u said yerstdeay.. don't expect any help
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18:47.56Gat-manI am not asking YOU for help
18:48.03Thybominamata,
18:48.10minamatayes Thybo ?
18:48.12Thybocopy the home directory
18:48.23Gat-manI was telling my honest opinion yesterday, and I am not apologising for it.
18:48.24ThyboGat-man, ok... well see who helps u if i tell them not to :)
18:48.28Thybono
18:48.29Gat-manno matter how I represented it.
18:48.31Thyboure were rude
18:48.35Thybothat is totaly different
18:48.40Thybolearn some vocab man
18:48.42minamataI ask that because I think the Kano instal script has this kind of option....
18:48.52Thybohmm
18:48.54Thybobut
18:48.58Thybodo u have settings to save?
18:48.59Gat-manI should learn some vocab?
18:49.03Gat-manwhat the hell is ure?
18:49.19Thybowhat u have in options "put /home on different partition" minamata :)
18:49.47Thyboi have a vocab that permits me not to insult everybody when i want to signal my disagreement with some point.. learn
18:49.56minamatak Thybo , tanx
18:50.04Thybo:)
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18:50.34minamataany other recommendation before I install? EXT2 or Reiserfs, etc, etc ?
18:50.59Thyboreiserfs :)
18:51.04Thybois recomended
18:51.05Thyboi use
18:51.17Thyboit i trust what elivedev says hes a great guy:)
18:51.44Gat-manIt doesn't matter how I present my opinion, I was raged at elive yesterday, and I can express my rage any (verbal) way I want.
18:52.04Gat-manif you find it offencive, get lost.
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18:52.48Thybo...
18:52.49Thybono
18:52.53ThyboGat-man, i don't get lost
18:52.58Thyboyou're the one getting lost
18:53.10Gat-manwell don't expect me to get lost then ;)
18:53.11Thybobecause now you have a whole irc room thinking you are an asshole
18:53.13Thybo:)
18:53.14Thybosee?
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18:53.30Thybou lost the support of this one's
18:53.35Thybountil u apologise
18:53.35Gat-manwtf do you mean by see? you're the only person talking here
18:53.40Thybo:)
18:53.46Thybowait til anybody comes up
18:53.56Thyboure lucky dev wasn't here
18:53.57Thybohehe
18:54.07Thybohe should would have kicked you out hehe
18:54.12Thybowould've been funny
18:54.13Gat-manyou're very mature
18:55.30Thybowell laughing from stupid things in comparison to insulting a whole chat room coz i'm greedy and i don't think about other people's effort... lemee think i prefer my way of being mature
18:55.56Gat-manhuh?
18:56.05Gat-mandude you charge for linux
18:56.29Thybook
18:56.32Thyboure a total moron
18:56.37Thybou can't read nor understand
18:56.47Thybonobody charges for linux
18:57.15Gat-manshit, i gtg.
18:57.18Thybobut i don't see why the dev thats handling the project and making 100 % of the effort so that everyone can have a nice distro....
18:57.23Thybopff looza
18:57.32keyraThybo: :)
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19:14.52caimdamn
19:15.03caim<PROTECTED>
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19:25.34minamatare
19:27.04minamatanow from the Elive livecd : whetre is the install2Hd cion, please?
19:27.42AlexAnteMachinathe very right
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19:28.20AlexAnteMachinagot it?
19:28.26minamatayes
19:28.39minamataneed to upgrade 1st
19:30.58minamataseems my diffrent partition wrer not detected during boot...
19:32.05zphinxfor some reason the mplayer in elive doesnt have gl and gl2 support in in :/
19:34.49bouba_minamata, gparted doesn't recognize your partitions?
19:35.40minamatano, wait a minute, I am just trying to  mount on of my partition
19:36.41minamataI was using the control panel/ mounter.......
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19:41.26zphinxSo if i want to install the etch version of mplayer, and not have synaptic/apt yell about broken packages, how would i go about then?
19:41.40keyrazphinx: apt-cache search keywords for search a package and apt-get install packagename for install a package
19:42.07zphinxsince the cvs one is the newest, but doesnt have the gl/g2 support i need.
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20:09.16zphinxbleh :/
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20:10.59roxvillezphinx,  as far as i can see, elive IS using the etch version of mplayewr
20:12.19roxvillethe only thing elive includes, are the libdvdcss and w32 codecs
20:12.36minamatawhat's elitaire please?
20:12.40roxvilleand he should probably stop doing that, by default
20:12.54roxvilleminamata,  it's a solitaire game
20:13.07roxvillebut... doesn't work atm :/
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20:14.35minamataof course...little tired.. need to sleep..obviously
20:14.58roxville:)
20:15.14minamataand installationis nearly finished, so....
20:16.23zphinxroxville, im using the 1.0 gem elive
20:16.50roxvillethat's wonderful!
20:17.18minamataexit
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20:19.47roxvilleok, my computer is running hot... gonna get a new fan for the powersupply tonight
20:19.51roxvilleseeya later
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21:13.00ThyboGat-man, u came to apologize?:)
21:13.16Gat-manmaybe...
21:14.30Thybo...
21:14.33Thybowhy maybe?
21:15.05Gat-manso I can mess with you :P
21:16.52caimGat-man, about your actitud the other day...
21:17.03Thybolol
21:17.27Thyboi think u have to apologize now Gat-man before caim begins...
21:17.31Thybocoz he was mad
21:17.42caimi think you should learn more about linux freedom, and about those other ddistro you use
21:18.12caimbefore saying stupid things on this channel
21:18.16LinuxNITwhat happend the other day?
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21:18.39Gat-manI apologies for using inappropriate language. that's all,
21:21.16caimGat-man, well that "fuck elive" or "fuck you guys" or wathever
21:21.36caimthats not the problem
21:21.56caimbecause you are still ignorant to what linux is
21:22.13Thybothat will be enought Gat-man
21:22.27ThyboLinuxNIT, Gat-man was somehow rude and did some abuses of languages
21:22.28Gat-manI know what linux is ok.
21:22.43Thybohe sort of sent the whole irc to go fuck themselves hehe
21:22.47Gat-manI just dont agree with elive's stand on the "stable realese"
21:23.22Thyboits not th stable release
21:23.32Thybothe dev release has same treatment as far as i know
21:23.34LinuxNITGat-man, do you honeslty know what linux is?
21:23.39LinuxNITlinux is simply the kernel
21:23.47Gat-manyes, I know.
21:24.19Thybohe knows hehehehe
21:24.29caimGat-man, you still can download elive without paying
21:24.34LinuxNITwell if you dont agree then dont use it... its there for those that want to.
21:25.15LinuxNITbut that dosent mean you should start cussing at people... especially those that have no control over it
21:25.39Gat-manyes, that's why I apologiesed.
21:26.59LinuxNITthanks for apologizing....
21:27.17LinuxNITone other thing... its not tricks... the amount that people donate is actually very miniscule
21:34.52GPLGeekare you still talking about the donation system?
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21:35.04GPLGeekFFS thana gives his whole life to you guys
21:35.23GPLGeekI do my part by testing and answering emails and whatever.
21:35.27LinuxNITvery true
21:35.36caimindeed
21:35.52GPLGeekit's not like he's non-free, you can get all the sources you want and compile your own distro however you want it
21:36.52GPLGeekelive is just debian with cvs e17 and he puts some backbone scripts in, which by the way, are easily modded and your able to even remaster a elive cd if you like.
21:37.54GPLGeekI hosted a mirror for over a year (until my website was shut down by the company because they sold out to microsoft) I never saw a dime back, but what I did see was a growing user base and that made me happy.
21:38.21wesevenhum,reminds me of this one: http://edevelop.org/node/3584
21:38.31GPLGeekhe gets so little donations that he can't even cover the full costs for the power used for his computer, let alone mirrors, servers, all the other costs.
21:38.51wesevenbye all, btw
21:40.00GPLGeeknot only that but do you know how many other projects/distros we have helped with our fixes and methods?
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21:42.00Gat-manhow many deveoplers do you guys have anyways?
21:42.16LinuxNITtrue developer?
21:42.17LinuxNIT1
21:42.20Gat-manlol
21:42.24Gat-manthat's sad
21:42.28LinuxNITno its not
21:42.30GPLGeeknot quite
21:42.40Gat-manwhy wont more people help?
21:42.42LinuxNITif you look at what has been done its pretty incredible
21:42.45GPLGeekit's more like a mesh development/testing system
21:42.50LinuxNITothers help
21:43.02GPLGeekand it works well he's awesome and truely listens to the community
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21:43.33GPLGeekpeople talk to us, and we talk to him, we make priority lists..... we test and make our own code to submit to him from time to time
21:43.56GPLGeekwe have up to 8 people at a time connecting to a remote content managment system and we all translate files or edit code together
21:44.01LinuxNITi have personally seen many people make requests for a change here on irc and then seen it added its the only distro if seen that happen on.
21:44.27GPLGeekGat-man, I think you really need to re-think what elive is....
21:44.51GPLGeekIt's not at all the same as M$
21:44.58Gat-manI want to have permission to write to var/www/apache2-default? I dont want to use a terminal each time I want to edit something in it.
21:45.19Gat-manand I don't want everyone to write to it, just me.
21:45.23wasynytgood evening people
21:46.16GPLGeekso download the iso for free, copy it to a chroot, chroot into it, use apt-get and editors to change the system, then use make-live to make the livecd your own flavor.
21:46.39GPLGeekif you care about a feature request it as a feature request and put in the most details as you can.
21:46.45Gat-manhuh?
21:46.54Gat-manwas all that directed at me?
21:47.02caim¬¬
21:47.06caimyes
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21:47.22Gat-manI was talking to GPLGeek :P
21:47.35wasynyt:D
21:47.39caimGat-man, and i am talking to you
21:47.54Gat-manYes I know that
21:48.08Gat-manwhy are you ansewring questions that I didn't ask?
21:48.39LinuxNIThowdy wasynyt
21:49.03GPLGeekas long as hes correct who cares who says it
21:49.04Gat-mancan some one please help me?
21:49.15wasynyt:D
21:49.27wasynytin what
21:49.29wasynyt?
21:49.37GPLGeekthis is a open source chat, caim is free to change it or add to it as he wishes.
21:49.40GPLGeek=)
21:50.00LinuxNIThehe
21:50.00GPLGeekGat-man, ever hear of chmod and chown?
21:50.06wasynytGat-man, what is your problem
21:50.53Gat-manI just want to write to var/www/apache2-default with the gui, no terminal, and for this user only.
21:51.14wasynytwhere is this file located ?
21:51.29GPLGeek<PROTECTED>
21:51.32GPLGeekhe missed a /
21:51.33LinuxNIT-IIuh wasynyt...
21:51.48wasynytLinuxNIT-II, ?
21:51.54wasynythave i missed something
21:51.57LinuxNIT-IIyes
21:52.08LinuxNIT-II<Gat-man> I just want to write to var/www/apache2-default....
21:52.10LinuxNIT-II;)
21:52.29wasynytGat-man, change the file permissions so that your current user can write/execute it
21:52.42Gat-manyes... HOW??!?!?
21:52.44wasynytLinuxNIT-II,  ;P
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21:53.02LinuxNIT-IIchmod chown or open thunar as root and do it in there
21:53.15wasynytyou only need one "?"
21:53.36wasynythttp://www.freeos.com/articles/3127/
21:53.36Gat-manhow do I open thunar as root?
21:53.37wasynytread
21:54.01LinuxNIT-IIsu
21:54.15wasynytdoes sudo not work ?
21:54.25LinuxNIT-IInot by defualt i dont think
21:54.28wasynyt:D
21:54.29Gat-manwrite 'su thunar' in terminal?
21:54.35LinuxNIT-IIsu
21:54.37wasynytfirst si
21:54.37LinuxNIT-IIenter pw
21:54.38LinuxNIT-IIthunar
21:54.39wasynyt*su
21:54.52LinuxNIT-IIor... su -c "thunar"
21:55.00wasynyt:D
21:55.34LinuxNIT-IIor...
21:55.48LinuxNIT-IIalt+esc then enter gksu -u root thunar
21:56.09wasynyti think that goes beyond him
21:56.15Gat-mangot it, thanks guys.
21:56.22wasynytyour welcome
21:56.44Gat-manI just did su, entered pass, wrote thunar, then I changed the permission/
21:56.48LinuxNIT-IImore than one way to skin a cat
21:56.57Gat-manhehe
21:57.03wasynytyeah
21:57.08wasynyt:D
21:57.33GPLGeekyou can also in your .bashrc make a alias suthunar='su -c thunar' or 'sudo thunar' if you got sudoers conf set
21:57.50Gat-manyou know what
21:57.58Gat-mannow that my windows is messed up
21:58.05Gat-mani'm not going to fix it
21:58.09wasynytheh
21:58.12keyraGat-man: Elive don't like windows, don't use it, is compatible with all and only give problems
21:58.15Gat-manI'm gonna devote all my time learning linux :)
21:58.31Gat-mancan I atleast swear at the bot :)?
21:58.31Thybohow... touching ...
21:58.39wasynytit is not hard...
21:58.45Gat-manhopefully
21:58.48wasynytnope no bad words
21:58.54Thybothen i guess u won't mind donating 2 or 3 dollars for something that u are going to do your whole day...
21:58.57wasynytits not
21:59.07Gat-manI just REALLY need some inspiration
21:59.22wasynytnope.. just use and learn
21:59.36Gat-manThybo, the reason I dont donate is because I am under 18 and I have no way to transfer money...
22:00.04Thybosend me 3 $ by mail ill b more than happy to transfer them hehe
22:00.08GPLGeekWe do have children in this channel
22:00.23wasynytlike Gat-man
22:00.32GPLGeekdon't name names
22:00.33wasynytunder 18
22:00.41wasynythe just said it
22:00.48wasynytapt shoot wasynyt
22:00.49aptACTION shoots wasynyt in the eye with a frozen turkey cannon!
22:00.50GPLGeekWe've got a user that's 8 and you wouldn't guess who it is.
22:00.55GPLGeekbecause he types so well.
22:00.59Thybowe have to make it a G suitable irc lol
22:01.00GPLGeekand is so damn smart
22:01.06wasynytheh
22:01.09Thybohehe
22:01.10wasynythmm
22:01.11Thybo(a)
22:01.14LinuxNIT-IIis it thana?
22:01.18GPLGeekno
22:01.22GPLGeekI won't say
22:01.22LinuxNIT-II:-D
22:01.25wasynyt:D
22:01.28Thybo:p
22:01.47Gat-manI might be 17
22:01.53Gat-manor I might be 6
22:01.57Gat-manwho knows :P?
22:02.08Gat-manthana is a guy?
22:02.10wasynytage is no secret
22:02.14Thybosomeone aged 6 doesn't insult people without reason hehe
22:02.19ThyboThana is a god :p
22:02.24wasynythumm
22:02.27caimheheh
22:02.39wasynytmore like a talented human
22:02.44wasynyt:D
22:02.51Thybollol
22:02.54Thybosame thing :p
22:02.59wasynytheh
22:03.00Gat-manguys I need help with apache
22:03.03Gat-manhttp://24.64.120.79/
22:03.13Gat-manwhy does it redirect to apache2-defualt?
22:03.17Gat-manI deleted that
22:03.18Gat-manlol
22:03.51wasynytyou need to change your config
22:04.46Gat-manjust as soon as I find out where it is >:(
22:05.05wasynytusually it is a file ending .conf
22:05.12Gat-manYes I know
22:05.15Gat-manbut where?
22:06.22Gat-manhow do I search on linux?
22:06.38Gat-man(for a file)
22:09.52caimhttp://www.google.com/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=unix+command&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
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22:38.09wizard123hi :/
22:38.20wasynytgood evening
22:38.30wizard123not so good :/
22:38.41wizard123good is that i finaly have working system
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22:39.09wizard123hi Aviatrixie
22:39.24Aviatrixiehi wizard123  :)
22:40.23wizard123why is so quiet here ?
22:41.17AviatrixieI guess everyones afk or in another room
22:41.56caimhi wizard123
22:42.00wizard123hi caim
22:42.18caimwhats not so good?
22:42.26wizard123exams.. man
22:42.43caimgeez
22:42.54wizard123i haven't sleep for so long that i can't sleep now :/
22:43.10caimwhat kind of studnt you are?
22:43.26caimlazy or hard working?
22:43.28wizard123i study computer science
22:43.33wizard123hard working..
22:44.02wizard123and of course my mail server had to crash when i haven't time for anything
22:44.25caimwizard123, things like that always happen
22:44.30wizard123yeah :)
22:44.39keyracaim: Elive for MacBooks !!! http://elivecd.org/gb/Download/MacBook/
22:44.59wizard123o_O
22:45.31caimkeyra, babe shhh
22:46.30wizard123but, soon i'l have 3 weeks of holidays
22:46.33wizard1233 weeks!
22:46.46wizard123i can't wait for that
22:46.50Gat-manhow do I disable stupid sound for xchat
22:46.50Gat-man?
22:46.56caimwizard123, i have 3 month now
22:47.02caimGat-man, settings
22:47.18caimwizard123, but i am the lazy kind of student
22:47.27wizard123me too
22:47.31caimi fucked up
22:47.34wizard123me too
22:47.40caimxDD
22:47.51Thybogoota go gguyz
22:47.52wizard123not so funny for me ;)
22:47.57Thybobe good swhile im gone heh
22:48.15wizard123Thybo: you again ?!
22:48.16caimThybo, dont worry, we cant kill each other from irc
22:48.18Thybohave fun & take care:)
22:48.31caimThybo, tu tambien
22:49.41caimwizard123, i now its not funny
22:50.11wizard123it's not funny, because tommorow i have exam which i failed 4 times
22:50.24caimoh
22:50.25wizard123and i'm not sure if i know enough to pass it :/
22:50.43caimwizard123, exam of what?
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22:51.17wizard123electrical engineering
22:51.53wizard123i don't know what does it have with computer science, because it is mostly theory.. and alot of math
22:52.10wizard123i'm repeating year because of that subject
22:52.14caimelectrical engineering thats scary
22:52.18Aviatrixieohm's law
22:52.44wizard123yeah, with integrals and fouriers :)
22:55.51wizard123but, i've also set up cool jailfor users :)
22:56.07wizard123with links, irssi, mutt and other console apps :)
22:56.17wizard123and it even works
22:56.27wizard123caim: did you ever use something like pam_pgsql ?
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22:56.41wizard123to autenticate users from database ?
22:56.46Elive_user89how do I add more desktops?
22:56.59caimwizard123, never
22:57.26wizard123not good, one of my servers needs something like this and i have no idea how to do this
22:57.52wizard123but i think that my notebook will be good machine to test it
22:58.42wizard123ok, enough :)
22:58.53caimwizard123, have you looked on bsdguides?
22:58.53wizard123Elive_user: you can use synaptic
22:58.56Gat-manhow do I add more desktops?
22:59.05caimGat-man, google a little
22:59.05Gat-man<PROTECTED>
22:59.09Gat-manok :)
22:59.13wizard123heh
22:59.13caimxDD
22:59.16caimxDDDDDDDDD
22:59.28wizard123i needed something like this :D
22:59.30wizard123:D:D:D
23:01.05caimwizard123, hum i didt find anything at bsdguides.org
23:01.28wizard123i tried to google many times, i asked on #freebsd
23:01.40wizard123seems that nobody use that :)
23:02.31wizard123freebsd handbook has some pages about pam, but it's a bit complicated.. and default uncommented configs are not easy to understand
23:03.03wizard123ok, enough.. i'm getting back too books
23:03.18wizard123see you later :)
23:03.56Aviatrixieciao wizard123
23:03.58caimwizard123, see you man
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23:05.05AviatrixieI should go too... bubye all
23:05.08Aviatrixie<PROTECTED>
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23:06.52THEoraclehello all
23:07.06keyraTHEoracle: hi
23:07.16THEoraclejust installed GEM and am doing the post install config now
23:07.19THEoracle:-)
23:07.25THEoracleeverything is sweet so far
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23:14.02Elive_user23Gat-man, ever tried Desktop Settings in the configuration panel  ?
23:14.22Gat-mannope
23:15.10Elive_user23there you can add Desktops
23:15.58Gat-manwheres configurationg panel?
23:16.37Elive_user23Main Menu  > Configuration and for calling all on elive assholes , you are getting prettz much help
23:21.16wasynytgood night people
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23:29.07Gat-mangreat
23:29.13Gat-manI effed up my apache
23:32.01Gat-manwhat is the command for apt-get to reinstall something?
23:32.07Gat-manor do I have to remove than install agian?
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