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| 01:01.58 | nico__ | hello |
| 01:02.12 | keyra | nico__: hi |
| 01:03.52 | nico__ | i got a question about the livecd: once you booted from it, does it have to stay in the drive for further access or can it be removed so that the drive can be used for something else? |
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| 01:09.13 | cipote | has to stay in the drive my brother |
| 01:09.46 | nico__ | :( |
| 01:10.22 | nico__ | can it be installed to an usb key or something? |
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| 01:35.20 | Bryanstein | nico__, |
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| 01:36.49 | nico__ | Bryanstein, |
| 01:37.09 | Bryanstein | how much ram do you have ? |
| 01:37.13 | nico__ | 1GB |
| 01:41.57 | Bryanstein | the only option you have is to use the toram option if you have a gig of ram and the cd will be put into ram freeing up the drive |
| 01:42.01 | Bryanstein | like on knoppix |
| 01:42.17 | nico__ | nice... is it a boot option? |
| 01:42.30 | Bryanstein | yes try toram |
| 01:42.36 | nico__ | thanks |
| 01:42.41 | Bryanstein | at the end of the quietsplash line |
| 01:42.46 | Bryanstein | might work |
| 01:42.52 | Bryanstein | then again...it might not |
| 01:43.05 | nico__ | i'm still downloading the iso i'll try that as soon as it's burned :) |
| 01:43.22 | Bryanstein | ok cool...make sure you check the md5sum on it |
| 01:44.05 | nico__ | okay... i'm downloading it from the website though, not from BT |
| 01:44.15 | nico__ | but i'll check anyway |
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| 06:00.53 | Elive_user | hi everyone |
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| 06:04.12 | Carax007 | someone hear about the elive video? |
| 06:04.24 | Carax007 | theres a announcement in the forum |
| 06:04.33 | Elive_user25 | got a problem with configuration. won't recognise su password in elpanel. |
| 06:05.29 | Carax007 | i wanna know if somebody is interested |
| 06:05.42 | Carax007 | to thanatermesis like the idea |
| 06:05.47 | Elive_user25 | what is it about |
| 06:06.32 | Elive_user25 | perhaps a new how-to? |
| 06:06.36 | Carax007 | i saw a gmail video around the world, about the users of gmail, so the idea is to do a video about elive |
| 06:06.49 | Carax007 | aboput the elive users |
| 06:07.05 | Carax007 | mm, in the forum of elive appears all the info |
| 06:07.48 | Elive_user25 | I don't use gmail....I am a yahho guy |
| 06:07.48 | Carax007 | i would like to do some nice video and upload to youube before the end of the year |
| 06:08.22 | Carax007 | (me too, yahoo is the best, i think) |
| 06:08.42 | Elive_user25 | I am new here. |
| 06:08.54 | Elive_user25 | i am beginning to love this distro |
| 06:09.19 | Carax007 | im using it from the beta version |
| 06:09.44 | Elive_user25 | I am now using gem 1.0 |
| 06:09.51 | Carax007 | me too |
| 06:10.03 | Carax007 | you use the forum of elive? |
| 06:10.49 | Elive_user25 | just a new guy. I want to learn about and use all the resources |
| 06:11.27 | Carax007 | then go to the forum |
| 06:11.34 | Carax007 | let send you the link |
| 06:11.52 | Carax007 | http://forum.elivecd.org/ |
| 06:12.12 | Carax007 | the you will find the answer to all your doubts about elive and enlightenment |
| 06:12.38 | Elive_user25 | I suppose I should create a user name and passwd |
| 06:12.45 | Carax007 | yes |
| 06:12.54 | Carax007 | you should |
| 06:13.40 | Carax007 | where are you from? |
| 06:13.54 | Elive_user25 | usa, pa |
| 06:14.02 | Carax007 | pa? |
| 06:14.07 | Carax007 | pasadena? |
| 06:14.12 | Elive_user25 | Pennsylvania |
| 06:14.16 | Carax007 | aps |
| 06:14.32 | Elive_user25 | aps??? |
| 06:14.46 | Carax007 | just an expression |
| 06:15.01 | Elive_user25 | I am an oldtimer |
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| 06:15.33 | Elive_user25 | learned calculus on a slide rule |
| 06:16.23 | Elive_user25 | you know what a slide rule is? |
| 06:17.26 | Carax007 | no |
| 06:17.30 | Carax007 | what is it? |
| 06:19.01 | Elive_user25 | before calculators, you used to solve mathematical expresions with a sort of ruler witha slide on it |
| 06:19.16 | Carax007 | oh yes |
| 06:19.17 | Carax007 | sure |
| 06:19.50 | Carax007 | im photographer, and i used something like that to expose |
| 06:20.03 | Carax007 | some photometers use that |
| 06:20.44 | Elive_user25 | At my age, learning comes slow. I can us a TI 82 graghing calculator |
| 06:21.09 | Elive_user25 | where you from?? |
| 06:21.34 | Carax007 | chile, santiago |
| 06:21.49 | Carax007 | the last country to the south of the world |
| 06:22.24 | Elive_user25 | I have heard it is beautiful there. but not to frendly to americans |
| 06:22.43 | Elive_user25 | we buy a lot of your produce |
| 06:22.53 | Carax007 | mm, is very friendy i think |
| 06:23.16 | Carax007 | wine? |
| 06:23.30 | Elive_user25 | fruit and vegetables |
| 06:23.45 | Elive_user25 | I can;t have alchahol anymore |
| 06:24.31 | Carax007 | :( |
| 06:24.35 | Elive_user25 | Just coffee and cigs |
| 06:25.28 | Elive_user25 | brain tumors tend to take away all your fun |
| 06:26.04 | Carax007 | well, yes, isnt nice |
| 06:26.19 | Elive_user25 | we grow a lot of grapes here. many wineries |
| 06:27.02 | Carax007 | what kind of wine? pinot is the best one in there isnt? |
| 06:27.29 | Carax007 | chile is well known because of the cabernet sauvignon |
| 06:27.30 | Elive_user25 | I used fedora for a long time. Then my sons bought me a new computer with XP on it |
| 06:27.43 | Carax007 | :S |
| 06:27.55 | Carax007 | i tried fedora but didnt like it |
| 06:28.49 | crm | id have thought that a brain tumor would be a good reason to drink more |
| 06:29.20 | Elive_user25 | I take many drugs to stop seizures... |
| 06:29.44 | Carax007 | ( i think the same ) |
| 06:30.16 | crm | sounds a bit nasty... can it be removed? |
| 06:30.21 | Carax007 | drugs every day? |
| 06:30.44 | Elive_user25 | If i wanted to go quick, i would get me a bottle of canadian wiskey and some quarts of good beer |
| 06:31.20 | Elive_user25 | ever drink crown velvet? |
| 06:31.23 | crm | i don't see the relation with alcohol.. unless you're saying it will negate the drugs |
| 06:31.28 | crm | not me |
| 06:32.01 | crm | i like the spirits |
| 06:32.13 | crm | beer/wine has too much sugar |
| 06:32.35 | Elive_user25 | I can have an occasional wiskey....but wine causes me to have seizures. |
| 06:32.50 | crm | yow |
| 06:33.03 | Elive_user25 | The doctors warned me of it and they where right |
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| 06:33.58 | Elive_user25 | besides, I am trying to get my brains back, or at least what is left of them |
| 06:34.19 | Carax007 | you lost memories? |
| 06:34.25 | crm | at least you don't have to do it with a slide rule |
| 06:34.34 | Elive_user25 | relearning linux is good head exercise |
| 06:35.19 | Elive_user25 | I lost almost all of my learning from the last 10 years |
| 06:36.28 | Elive_user25 | thank God for calculators :) |
| 06:36.40 | Carax007 | wow, and how old are you now? if can i know |
| 06:36.58 | Elive_user25 | only 51 |
| 06:37.19 | Elive_user25 | had my first surgery at 42 |
| 06:38.09 | Carax007 | and how many since then? |
| 06:38.17 | crm | and the doctors dont growl at you for the coffee and smokes? |
| 06:38.20 | Elive_user25 | 2 more |
| 06:38.37 | crm | id have thought smoking would be worse |
| 06:38.45 | Elive_user25 | I was working on my masters degree in physics at 42 |
| 06:38.48 | crm | and coffee is also a stimulant |
| 06:39.23 | Elive_user25 | it clears my mind some, and it is a wonderful natural pain reliever |
| 06:39.51 | crm | what about pot/ |
| 06:40.25 | Elive_user25 | the drugs and/or seizures willkill me before the cigs |
| 06:40.38 | Carax007 | and cannabis? in chile the cannabis is used by cancer deseases, in some places |
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| 06:41.06 | Elive_user25 | I tried pot...but it is way stronger now than when i was a kid |
| 06:41.34 | crm | i think pot is the sort of thing you either like or dont like |
| 06:41.40 | Elive_user25 | to strong for mei think |
| 06:42.14 | crm | Elive_user25, enjoying elive? |
| 06:42.19 | crm | you got gem? |
| 06:42.51 | Elive_user25 | Yes ...very much so far |
| 06:43.03 | crm | yea... enlightenment is cool |
| 06:43.26 | crm | im happy to see it around.. because most of the other distros use gnome or kde |
| 06:43.32 | crm | and im not keen on either of them |
| 06:43.38 | crm | without the E window manager |
| 06:43.42 | Elive_user25 | it is visually pleasing and lightweight |
| 06:43.54 | crm | well.. dunno if i would call it lightweight |
| 06:44.01 | Elive_user25 | my pc is barely runnig |
| 06:44.04 | crm | but compared to say... most windows distros |
| 06:44.23 | Elive_user25 | I mean lightweight in a good way |
| 06:44.27 | crm | Elive_user25, what are you using it for? |
| 06:44.46 | crm | just an alternate to windows.. or your researching? |
| 06:44.54 | crm | you're |
| 06:45.32 | Elive_user25 | I write, listen to music, e-mail, and learn |
| 06:45.54 | crm | you listen to internet radio? |
| 06:46.02 | crm | or mp3s and such? |
| 06:46.17 | Elive_user25 | yes to all of the above |
| 06:46.42 | crm | cool... i sort of miss winamp |
| 06:46.43 | Elive_user25 | I do not store music |
| 06:46.47 | crm | ok |
| 06:47.16 | crm | winamp had the capability to show both audio and video streams.. presented the entire online library |
| 06:47.23 | Elive_user25 | my sons are mad at me for erasing xp from my HD |
| 06:47.28 | crm | and the ability to attempt to reconnect |
| 06:47.32 | crm | heh |
| 06:47.35 | Elive_user25 | So is my wife |
| 06:47.46 | crm | Elive_user25, modify it for dual boot |
| 06:48.07 | crm | im also running just linux.. but have a partition ready for xp |
| 06:48.36 | crm | Elive_user25, have you erased yet.. or still running the live cd? |
| 06:49.15 | Elive_user25 | I was dual booting from xp and elive . I erased xp and did and install |
| 06:49.24 | crm | heh.. k |
| 06:49.47 | crm | at least they won't screw with your configuration =) |
| 06:50.33 | Elive_user25 | you can't learn or stay focused on gnu/linux with distractions ( XP) around |
| 06:50.53 | crm | you think it's the easy option? |
| 06:51.35 | crm | i wouldn't mind getting a VMware image of XP happening.. rather than installing XP |
| 06:51.37 | Elive_user25 | you mean ???? |
| 06:51.50 | crm | Elive_user25, windows is easy compared to any flavour of linux |
| 06:52.18 | crm | elive isn't bad.. but still ... if you have unusual hardware . finding drivers might involve recompiling the kernel |
| 06:52.32 | Elive_user25 | ah yes...easy. so is being stupid. |
| 06:52.45 | crm | yea |
| 06:52.52 | crm | well... dunno |
| 06:52.55 | crm | consider this |
| 06:53.11 | crm | if it takes you 20 hours of your week to figure out how to compile a kernel |
| 06:53.19 | crm | which is prolly a modest estimate |
| 06:53.26 | keyra | crm: Hey, let a Linux Latina like me help show you how to compile your own kernel ? check http://wiki.elivecd.org/index.php?title=Kernel%2C_drivers_and_stuff |
| 06:53.28 | crm | if you get paid 10 bucks an hour.. |
| 06:53.45 | crm | thats 200 dollars .. you could have bought Vista =) |
| 06:54.15 | Elive_user25 | I am quite dissabled. So the money thing doesn't apply |
| 06:54.22 | crm | and i tell you... if you're going down the linux path.. you'll spend more than 20 hours extra configuring stuff |
| 06:54.36 | crm | Elive_user25, even for disabled ppl.. windows caters to that |
| 06:54.59 | crm | perhaps not in your circumstance.. but for the visually impared |
| 06:55.08 | crm | impaired |
| 06:55.34 | Elive_user25 | But they own you...so to speak. I never could bear that |
| 06:55.43 | crm | but ... if you have time .. and looking for an experience.. linux is good fun =) |
| 06:56.03 | Elive_user25 | exactly. |
| 06:56.22 | crm | =) |
| 06:56.29 | crm | i don't have much time.. and prolly should be chatting |
| 06:56.42 | crm | but because the project im studying needs open-source aka linux |
| 06:56.51 | crm | i figure i would do it in style with elive |
| 06:57.19 | crm | err shouldn't |
| 06:57.51 | Elive_user25 | what you studying??/ |
| 06:58.13 | crm | machine vision.. object recognition |
| 06:58.25 | Elive_user25 | cool stuff |
| 06:58.37 | crm | well.. if i had more time.. i would say yes |
| 06:58.48 | crm | but because i have deadlines.. its getting to be a bit of a pain |
| 06:58.56 | crm | difficule |
| 06:58.58 | crm | t |
| 06:59.18 | Elive_user25 | I used to install hydronic heated machine bases for optically controlled cnc machines |
| 06:59.39 | crm | nice |
| 06:59.49 | crm | you looked at emc? |
| 07:00.08 | Elive_user25 | ??/ |
| 07:00.10 | crm | im not much of a cnc buff.. but the guys i speak with are |
| 07:00.16 | crm | cnc software |
| 07:00.46 | crm | what technology did the optical part use? |
| 07:01.44 | Elive_user25 | My specialty was keeping large concrete slabs from moving due to thermal changes |
| 07:02.28 | Elive_user25 | optics have advanced considerably since I was involved |
| 07:02.40 | Elive_user25 | just like pcs |
| 07:02.49 | crm | the fact that they were used must have meant that they were reasonably accurate |
| 07:02.58 | crm | especially in industrial work |
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| 07:03.30 | Elive_user25 | they were quite accurate....but touchy |
| 07:04.45 | crm | does elive support flash by default? |
| 07:05.03 | crm | so.. can anyone just watch something from youtube by default? |
| 07:05.22 | crm | i'll show you a video of the library im working on Elive_user25 |
| 07:05.29 | crm | if you can see it |
| 07:06.06 | Elive_user25 | it seems to. i think the propietary "stuff" is why they are not shipping cd's |
| 07:07.15 | crm | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXsgB6lRt64 |
| 07:07.34 | crm | while the version they have released doesn't work that well |
| 07:07.45 | crm | it still provided a good grounding for object recognition |
| 07:11.43 | Elive_user25 | opening that link crashed my browser |
| 07:12.18 | Elive_user25 | It has happened before with gem if i am running another sound app |
| 07:13.03 | crm | ive had a bit of trouble with the sound config too... though not crashing things |
| 07:13.20 | crm | just no sound... it looks like esd is still being used rather than alsa |
| 07:13.58 | Elive_user25 | well...crash may be the wrong word.....how about causing me to have to reboot |
| 07:14.21 | crm | you shouldn't have to reboot in linux... erhm |
| 07:14.32 | crm | but sometimes its faster =) |
| 07:14.51 | Elive_user25 | yeah...and cows don;t poop when you feed them |
| 07:15.02 | crm | have you tried kill the X server.. <ctrl><alt><backspace>? |
| 07:15.20 | crm | whoops |
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| 07:16.05 | crm | heh |
| 07:16.16 | crm | did that work? |
| 07:16.26 | crm | it was a serious statement |
| 07:16.26 | Elive_user25 | that is what i mean |
| 07:16.46 | Elive_user25 | but i no longer have the link |
| 07:16.49 | crm | but.. i should have told you what the XServer was |
| 07:16.51 | crm | one tick |
| 07:16.55 | crm | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXsgB6lRt64 |
| 07:17.32 | Elive_user25 | no go |
| 07:18.00 | Elive_user25 | still tells me iceweasel is runnig and not responding |
| 07:18.08 | crm | ok |
| 07:18.22 | crm | go <ctrl><alt><insert> to bring up a terminal windows |
| 07:18.34 | crm | then go: |
| 07:18.44 | Elive_user25 | ready |
| 07:18.46 | crm | top | grep iceweasel |
| 07:18.56 | crm | yea.. it will just open a terminal window |
| 07:19.21 | crm | is there an entry? |
| 07:19.41 | crm | top is like a console "process list" |
| 07:19.53 | Elive_user25 | nothing |
| 07:19.59 | crm | i think there's gtop.. but dunno if it's installed by default |
| 07:20.14 | crm | Elive_user25, hit <esc> and type just "top" |
| 07:20.31 | crm | see if you can spot anything in there like iceweasel |
| 07:20.43 | crm | i think its something like bin-iceweasel |
| 07:20.51 | crm | you need to know the exact name |
| 07:21.25 | crm | i'll see if i can find it |
| 07:21.39 | crm | firefox-bin |
| 07:21.51 | crm | see that there? |
| 07:21.53 | Elive_user25 | not running |
| 07:22.10 | crm | it must be if firefox wont start.. saying its already running |
| 07:22.18 | crm | firefox aka iceweasel |
| 07:22.30 | Elive_user25 | hence my bewilderment |
| 07:22.38 | crm | hrm |
| 07:22.55 | crm | hit <esc> to exit top |
| 07:23.03 | crm | and try .. "killall firefox-bin" |
| 07:23.07 | crm | what does it say? |
| 07:23.27 | crm | if it doesn't return anything it means it did what it was supposed to |
| 07:23.38 | crm | and removed all the firefox-bin processes |
| 07:24.16 | crm | err <q> exits top |
| 07:24.37 | crm | or <ctrl-c> |
| 07:25.20 | Elive_user25 | found it |
| 07:27.26 | Elive_user25 | did it |
| 07:29.06 | Elive_user25 | my browser is running again but no sound |
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| 07:31.51 | Elive_user25 | what is the purpose crm |
| 07:32.04 | crm | what part? |
| 07:32.19 | crm | ahh |
| 07:32.28 | Elive_user25 | in the video. |
| 07:32.53 | Elive_user25 | graffic arts |
| 07:33.31 | crm | the augmented reality? |
| 07:33.43 | crm | when they put the 3d shelves on the wall? |
| 07:33.55 | crm | that's not part of what im studying |
| 07:33.58 | Elive_user25 | eyy captain |
| 07:34.15 | crm | im basically just using the same library as a basis for object detection |
| 07:34.38 | crm | see how it determines the 3d coordinates of a point in the webcam? |
| 07:34.44 | crm | the yellow/red points |
| 07:34.54 | crm | that's the part im using |
| 07:34.56 | Elive_user25 | sounds like a lot of high tech possibilities |
| 07:35.06 | crm | for sure |
| 07:35.14 | Elive_user25 | productive and destructive |
| 07:35.20 | crm | yea =) |
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| 07:35.35 | crm | efficiency and redundancy |
| 07:36.24 | Elive_user25 | I wish i stil had my brain. the techno world is getting pretty exciting |
| 07:36.37 | crm | eh.. still time to learn more |
| 07:37.53 | Elive_user25 | one of my old proffessors retired onto a 600 acre farm where he is growing organic grass feed beef and chickens and eggs and milk and such |
| 07:38.14 | Elive_user25 | he has a smile on his face every day |
| 07:38.21 | crm | would you believe that my personal interest in this is farming use |
| 07:38.30 | crm | sounds like the life |
| 07:38.36 | Elive_user25 | please explain |
| 07:38.46 | crm | automating the farming ... chores =) |
| 07:39.21 | Elive_user25 | you could be an urban farmer. |
| 07:39.32 | crm | please explain |
| 07:40.37 | Elive_user25 | just an old joke....before your time |
| 07:41.01 | Elive_user25 | but i have seen milking equipment that is automated |
| 07:41.22 | crm | ive heard about it |
| 07:41.36 | crm | what parts were you aware of? |
| 07:41.48 | crm | is it completely automated.. or partially? |
| 07:42.03 | Elive_user25 | the cows learn to go to the parlor when they are full and optics scan the cow |
| 07:42.21 | crm | the parlor? |
| 07:42.29 | crm | haven't heard that term before |
| 07:42.48 | crm | you heard of RFID Elive_user25 ? |
| 07:43.18 | Elive_user25 | the machine cleans and milks them...then they are off to graze....all automated |
| 07:43.28 | crm | how are the teets located? |
| 07:43.43 | Elive_user25 | a parlor is the part of the barn where the cows are milked |
| 07:44.21 | crm | getting the "suckers" onto the teets would be a challenge |
| 07:44.36 | Elive_user25 | they are "seen" |
| 07:44.41 | crm | the udders are different in size.. the teets are spaced differently |
| 07:44.56 | crm | wow |
| 07:45.08 | Elive_user25 | you understand that cows are breed to be af common size and stature? |
| 07:45.12 | crm | you wouldn't happen to have a link to a website with more info? |
| 07:45.31 | crm | Elive_user25, not really =) |
| 07:46.17 | crm | Elive_user25, you should be #robotics =) |
| 07:46.28 | Elive_user25 | no ....really. it all started when farmers had to remove manure by hand |
| 07:46.46 | crm | ahh.. interesting |
| 07:46.54 | crm | what do you mean by remove manure? |
| 07:47.03 | crm | not from the fields? |
| 07:47.41 | Elive_user25 | the stalls where all the same size and the trough (where the backend spills into) |
| 07:48.07 | crm | wow.. ive never heard of that |
| 07:48.29 | crm | i've known a few milk farmers |
| 07:48.37 | crm | and they have to hose the crap out |
| 07:48.39 | Elive_user25 | if the butt end was not in the right place... well...the poop was all over the place |
| 07:49.25 | crm | the poop is ideal for energy |
| 07:49.27 | Elive_user25 | if you raise holstiens for example...the stalls have to be a certain size |
| 07:49.36 | crm | but.. i suppose you're going to tell me that soon |
| 07:50.03 | crm | i dont know much physics |
| 07:50.11 | Elive_user25 | it is only good for energy because we feed them the wrong foods |
| 07:51.09 | crm | know much about trees? |
| 07:51.19 | Elive_user25 | ever wonder why cow flatulence is a so called cause of global warming? |
| 07:51.48 | crm | methane.. methanol if you could harness it =) |
| 07:51.52 | Elive_user25 | what about the millions of buffallo that used to be on the plains? |
| 07:52.22 | Elive_user25 | they ate grass |
| 07:52.35 | Elive_user25 | cows should eat grass |
| 07:52.35 | crm | Elive_user25, cows.. even when milked automagically .. are still too much work for me =) |
| 07:53.12 | Elive_user25 | unless of course you were an urban farmer |
| 07:53.14 | crm | trees look easy |
| 07:53.23 | crm | wtf is this urban farmer?? |
| 07:54.01 | crm | i think i fit that category.. but want to verify what it means first =) |
| 07:54.34 | Elive_user25 | urban farming is....well....sort of like engineering |
| 07:55.23 | Elive_user25 | you do a lot of planning but someone still has to shovel the shit that doesn't make it into the trough |
| 07:55.50 | crm | yeap.. i'll nominate myself for that =) |
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| 07:56.32 | crm | Elive_user25, im into IT |
| 07:56.45 | Elive_user25 | hey i gotta go to bed...nice talking to ya crm |
| 07:56.53 | crm | later |
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| 08:23.03 | g0t | hy too all |
| 08:23.23 | g0t | can someone tell me how i start control panel from terminal |
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| 08:28.11 | Ogrosticlops | Is there an eterm build for E17? |
| 08:29.49 | Ogrosticlops | WIth a lack of Elive Gem working for my netfinity, i've compiled DR17 for my slackware installation, and was wondering if there was an eterm release to compile |
| 08:31.00 | g0t | http://lists.matrix-rad.net/pipermail/test-edevelop/2007-July/000005.html |
| 08:31.41 | g0t | http://www.mail-archive.com/enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net/msg10638.html |
| 08:31.41 | g0t | found on google |
| 08:33.05 | Ogrosticlops | Ah, so it's possible. but not reasonable. |
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| 08:33.53 | Ogrosticlops | I guess I don't even really NEED eterm, given the specs of the server |
| 08:34.15 | g0t | you konow the best |
| 08:34.37 | Ogrosticlops | at this point, it's just more of "look what I can do" |
| 08:35.55 | Ogrosticlops | I bought a few more, so now I have 10x 500mhz IBM netfinity 5000 servers, each with 500mhz PIII and 512mb PC133 ECC ram |
| 08:36.19 | Ogrosticlops | 18gb over 2 9gb ultra-side SCSI hotswap drives per unit |
| 08:36.50 | g0t | seems like nice machines |
| 08:37.29 | Ogrosticlops | and this machine, which has 2x500mhz, 1024 PC133 ECC, 160gbb over RAID, and an actual 12gb tape for the tape backup |
| 08:39.18 | Ogrosticlops | I tried to install Elive to a secondary drive via virtual machine, mapped drive, and installed GRUB (since slack uses LILO) and configured it properly, but somewhere in init 2 or 3 elive stopped hard and just rebooted |
| 08:41.04 | Ogrosticlops | I have no need for a cluster of servers, but I just have a sick love for servers |
| 08:41.45 | Ogrosticlops | Hell, I had a nice serial interface for my commodore64 |
| 08:42.29 | g0t | huh, if ive had hardware like that, i think i would be deep in hosting |
| 08:44.09 | Ogrosticlops | That's where i'm heading, actually |
| 08:44.51 | Ogrosticlops | except I find problems with issues that 1.) it took me a month to get E17 compiled and working right |
| 08:45.08 | Ogrosticlops | and 2.) I'd want to start free |
| 08:45.48 | g0t | hehe, problems all around |
| 08:46.01 | Ogrosticlops | I've recently been handed my degree, and since officially becoming a "Chef" i'm working 6 days/week at 2 different restuarants |
| 08:46.16 | Ogrosticlops | I'm a cook by trade, and a geek by love |
| 08:46.40 | Ogrosticlops | The commodore was given to me when I was 7, It still works |
| 08:47.02 | Ogrosticlops | the floppy is on the fritz, but i should be able to rig a belt for it |
| 08:47.09 | g0t | not the only one, im welderby profesion and geek by love |
| 08:47.24 | g0t | welder sorry |
| 08:47.34 | Ogrosticlops | In a stroke of luck, I picked up all of these netfinity 5000s for $80/pair |
| 08:48.13 | Ogrosticlops | so, every payday I went back and bought a few more, after I took the first pair home and realized how solid they are |
| 08:48.54 | Ogrosticlops | hell, age doesn't matter much, it's still a P3 500 and with 512mb it's more than apt to run linux of any flavor, though some take some tweaking |
| 08:49.08 | keyra | Ogrosticlops: thanks... bot :) |
| 08:50.06 | Ogrosticlops | the only drawback is the onboard video. if you want to use one as a workstation you'll need a PCI card unless you want 800x600@256 colors |
| 08:50.48 | Ogrosticlops | Really? I used to do spot welding for classic car restoration garage. |
| 08:51.08 | Ogrosticlops | though most of my time was spent grinding weld heads off inside |
| 08:51.45 | Ogrosticlops | But hey, I got to tack up a 1969 GTO on my first week, which made me feel awesome. |
| 08:52.15 | Ogrosticlops | jesus, that was 12 years ago |
| 08:52.28 | g0t | yeah when yob is done well, party |
| 08:54.17 | Ogrosticlops | I stared off with restaurants, went to part time at a body shop, and ended up back in the kitchen because it's a hell of a lot of fun to cook good food, and I don't ever have to deal with the public that comes in. |
| 08:54.49 | Ogrosticlops | and yeah, when 3 or 4 cars were rebuilt there was a pretty good party at the shop |
| 08:54.53 | Ogrosticlops | I miss that. |
| 08:56.07 | Ogrosticlops | Thanks, g0t. |
| 08:56.14 | g0t | good luck with the yob big man |
| 08:56.19 | g0t | i gota go |
| 08:56.21 | g0t | see a all |
| 08:56.24 | Ogrosticlops | I really forgot some of my best times |
| 08:56.26 | Ogrosticlops | later |
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| 09:03.30 | Ogrosticlops | Hi! |
| 09:04.04 | Jonah_ | hi |
| 09:05.43 | Ogrosticlops | What's up? |
| 09:08.52 | Jonah_ | Ogrosticlops, not a lot man, what's going on with u? |
| 09:09.32 | Ogrosticlops | Not too much, just build E17 and associated tools for my slackware server |
| 09:09.41 | Ogrosticlops | *built |
| 09:10.26 | Ogrosticlops | Was hoping i'd overlooked an eterm build, but it looks to be true that it's still a e16 thing at this point |
| 09:10.35 | Jonah_ | Ogrosticlops, awesome, e17 is fantastic, can't wait til the new version is in Elive distro |
| 09:11.04 | Ogrosticlops | Well, i'm using DR17, i believe that was what was used in the Elive GEM iso |
| 09:12.06 | Ogrosticlops | The last time I used Enlightenment as a regular wm was when I had Linux Mandrake 8, in 2000 or so |
| 09:13.08 | Ogrosticlops | God, that seems like so long ago. |
| 09:13.48 | Ogrosticlops | It was hilarious, because I didn't want to buy anything with my CC over the 'net and linux-mandrake was in Wal-Mart in a small city of Ohio for $30 |
| 09:14.23 | Ogrosticlops | ISOs were fine, but the extended support was nice at the time |
| 09:15.00 | Jonah_ | Ogrosticlops, wow and do you use your CC over net nowadays? |
| 09:15.09 | Ogrosticlops | Well, yes |
| 09:15.44 | Jonah_ | Ogrosticlops, i bought my last system from these guys as they don't sell you windows unless you want it: http://www.pcoption.co.uk/pcbaseunits/ |
| 09:15.59 | keyra | Jonah_: Elive doesn't like Windows, don't use it, it's garbage and will only give problems |
| 09:16.14 | Ogrosticlops | at that time, CC generators still actually worked to a small extent, and fraud protection wasn't even heard of |
| 09:16.48 | Jonah_ | Ogrosticlops, wow those were the days |
| 09:18.47 | Jonah_ | Ogrosticlops, so you're in Ohio huh, this irc room is always so geographically spread out. lots of spanish, italians, british, americans, hispanic countries, just everywhere really. i've noticed it more than i did when i used to use ubuntu and a few other distros - it seemed different nationalities would be on at different hours more and you'd get less diversity at one time |
| 09:19.30 | Ogrosticlops | I wasn't but 16 when I had to finally turn my 486 DX/2 66mhz over to a shop in town, and when I had to explain to him how to log in, and that it wasn't windows, was told "this is no good for you computer!" he also gained the trust of my parents to "upgrade" the machine to a cyrix 586 or whatever the hell it was called that either overheated or faulted quite often. |
| 09:19.44 | Ogrosticlops | No, I'm actually in northwestern PA |
| 09:20.05 | Ogrosticlops | the neo.rr.com extends because they bought out our cable provider |
| 09:20.21 | Jonah_ | Ogrosticlops, cool |
| 09:20.26 | Ogrosticlops | at 4mb/down 2mb/up I won't complain. |
| 09:21.47 | Jonah_ | Ogrosticlops, 2mb up is pretty cool, i just have a standard adsl cheap isp that tries to block all your traffic etc, got azureus and encryption yanked up |
| 09:22.25 | Ogrosticlops | with rr, there's no BT blocking/packet shaping, thank god. |
| 09:23.08 | Ogrosticlops | I'm up early in the morning because i'm a chef, and don't get out of work until midnight-2am or so most nights |
| 09:24.32 | Ogrosticlops | I try to avoid being on when I wake up, since I'm running half-capacity to respond or try to help anyone |
| 09:25.00 | Jonah_ | Ogrosticlops, ah i see, with you being a chef and computer guy you'll be able to set up a cool kitchen to floor server with orders and stuff - or do you go for a more conventional pen and paper approach? |
| 09:25.32 | Ogrosticlops | And I leave early for work, since it's important to maintain that caffeine/nicotine buzz to keep my cool most days |
| 09:25.33 | Ogrosticlops | I' |
| 09:26.08 | Jonah_ | Ogrosticlops, i'm with talktalk which are supposed to be the worst provider in the UK, far worse that bt and other major ones - i didnt realise this when i signed up then i read lots of reviews and people complaining about them |
| 09:26.16 | Ogrosticlops | I'm actually working for a corporate restuarant right now, with a decent POS system already established, and while i've tried to offer some pointers they have to stick with corp standard. |
| 09:26.38 | Jonah_ | Ogrosticlops, yeah you can't beat a bit of caffeine |
| 09:28.28 | Jonah_ | Ogrosticlops, haha yeah damn corps and their standards haha - i always think a little individuality between chains would be a cool thing - you goto a town or city now and you just see the same old stores and chains. it's bad here as there's a lot of local interest stuff that's closed and county to county differences are lost (or state to state in the USA no doubt) |
| 09:29.08 | Ogrosticlops | I'd love to try to go out on a limb an open my own place. Every time I go to Toronto, ON, CA there's this net cafe on yonge street that has worked themselves to be a net cafe/bar/pool hall/restaurant. |
| 09:30.43 | Jonah_ | Ogrosticlops, yeah that would be amazing |
| 09:31.09 | Ogrosticlops | I'd love to do that, but I can hardly justify putting my house and cars and credit up to try to make it happen, in a city which is more about clubs and the "scene" than learning or eating a fine cuisine. |
| 09:31.49 | Ogrosticlops | I understand what you mean with the chain places though, and the complete alientation of local preference |
| 09:32.02 | Jonah_ | Ogrosticlops, me and my girlfriend always had similar dreams to open something here in york, something a bit more english but still cool, like a cafe/bar maybe with a pool table or snooker table and a corner for some internet boxes and like a hatch for takeaway |
| 09:32.20 | Ogrosticlops | you'd think simple marketing research would dictate what to offer, even in a corporate establishment |
| 09:32.47 | Jonah_ | Ogrosticlops, yeah |
| 09:33.20 | Ogrosticlops | You seem alright, man, feel free to IM me. Do you use AIM? |
| 09:33.28 | Jonah_ | Ogrosticlops, it's scary the world losing it's cultures and every town looking the same |
| 09:33.59 | Ogrosticlops | Yeah, it's like a rat race to establish a constant feeling, store by store |
| 09:34.00 | Jonah_ | Ogrosticlops, thanks it's been cool talking to you. i've got googletalk and msn on my pidgin |
| 09:34.18 | Ogrosticlops | damn, I have aim and yahoo on pidgin |
| 09:34.29 | Ogrosticlops | I guess I could log in to my msn account |
| 09:35.36 | Ogrosticlops | msn: fatloser@gmail.com |
| 09:35.52 | Ogrosticlops | It was from a while back |
| 09:37.07 | Jonah_ | ah if you're on gmail you'll have googletalk already |
| 09:37.32 | Ogrosticlops | Oh, the chat service within gmail? |
| 09:37.40 | Jonah_ | yeah that's it |
| 09:37.44 | Jonah_ | you can add that to pidgin |
| 09:37.50 | Ogrosticlops | I wasn't aware that I could do that |
| 09:38.02 | Jonah_ | yeah it's really cool |
| 09:38.08 | Jonah_ | protocol xmpp |
| 09:38.11 | Ogrosticlops | Hell, the last time I did anything with gmail was POP to my mobile |
| 09:38.32 | Jonah_ | screen name is your username without @gmail.com bit |
| 09:38.38 | Jonah_ | domain is googlemail.com |
| 09:38.57 | Jonah_ | and on advanced port 5222 |
| 09:39.05 | Jonah_ | connect server is talk.google.com |
| 09:39.24 | Jonah_ | dunno if it's the same for you in states but suppose it will be... |
| 09:41.20 | Jonah_ | anyway for gmail my email is jonahnaylor@gmail.com so you can always add me on there |
| 09:42.22 | Ogrosticlops | Only difference for US was gmail instead of googlemail |
| 09:42.36 | Jonah_ | ok cool, what's your name, i'll add you on mine |
| 09:42.46 | Ogrosticlops | danviall |
| 09:44.33 | Jonah_ | hmm dunno if i've done something wrong or not, says not authorised, i'll add you from web interface instead |
| 09:45.22 | Ogrosticlops | yeah, I tried to add you as well, with no change |
| 09:45.40 | Ogrosticlops | perhaps danviall@gmail.com ? |
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| 12:51.46 | z3us0ne | what is thi problem? /bin/sh: can't access tty: job controll turned off |
| 12:51.47 | z3us0ne | (initransf) |
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| 13:34.56 | mathmanp_ | apt do it |
| 13:34.56 | apt | ACTION does it. |
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| 13:43.37 | CyberdogX86 | anyone use elive in Parallels? |
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| 14:07.00 | Elive_user99 | buenas a todos |
| 14:07.14 | keyra | Elive_user99: nas nas |
| 14:09.01 | Elive_user99 | woow si que hay elives |
| 14:09.07 | Elive_user99 | :O veo que os ha gustado |
| 14:09.09 | Elive_user99 | :D |
| 14:10.04 | Hweran | wola |
| 14:10.06 | Hweran | :P |
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| 14:14.08 | begasus | 'lo peeps |
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| 15:11.29 | marcfp | hi |
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| 15:41.25 | CyberdogX86 | wow |
| 15:41.29 | CyberdogX86 | this is a cool gui |
| 15:42.13 | CyberdogX86 | running the live cd on a mac mini in parallels |
| 15:43.45 | CyberdogX86 | from an iso image :-) |
| 15:47.24 | roxville | hehe, cool! |
| 15:47.37 | CyberdogX86 | i love it |
| 15:47.47 | CyberdogX86 | been an e fan for a while now |
| 15:48.05 | roxville | yeah, it's addictive |
| 15:48.09 | CyberdogX86 | e17 is definitely the coolest interface i've ever seen |
| 15:48.17 | roxville | i feel lost when i log into something else now |
| 15:48.41 | CyberdogX86 | raster is definitely copying some OSX features |
| 15:49.19 | roxville | i doubt it... he's too proud to do that... but he may borrow ideas... :) |
| 15:49.32 | CyberdogX86 | the dock is a copy |
| 15:50.17 | roxville | i know, it's very reminiscient of the osx dock |
| 15:50.34 | roxville | it was not written by raster, actually |
| 15:50.44 | CyberdogX86 | the default windows have kind of a Vista feel |
| 15:50.46 | roxville | you mean the engage module? |
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| 15:51.01 | CyberdogX86 | i suppose |
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| 15:51.14 | Theoden | Hey kennyjb402 |
| 15:51.24 | CyberdogX86 | this is nicer though |
| 15:51.39 | kennyjb402 | hi Theoden |
| 15:51.48 | roxville | and MUCH easier on your ram :) |
| 15:51.49 | CyberdogX86 | can't imagine this not becoming a default desktop for a lot of Linux users once it's final |
| 15:52.16 | Theoden | It'll never be final. |
| 15:52.30 | CyberdogX86 | well, you know, not beta |
| 15:52.37 | CyberdogX86 | stable release |
| 15:52.55 | roxville | yeah... we're all waiting for that :) |
| 15:53.20 | Theoden | I'm 60 next month - think I'll live to see it? |
| 15:53.21 | CyberdogX86 | glad raster did his own distro |
| 15:53.31 | CyberdogX86 | nope theoden |
| 15:53.34 | CyberdogX86 | :-) |
| 15:53.55 | CyberdogX86 | this makes it easier to use than installing E17 to another distro |
| 15:54.10 | CyberdogX86 | and Debian is a good one to base it on |
| 15:54.24 | keyra | CyberdogX86: Debian is the SH%$T my friend ! |
| 15:54.51 | CyberdogX86 | i used to use SusePPC |
| 15:54.55 | roxville | CyberdogX86> glad raster did his own distro |
| 15:54.57 | CyberdogX86 | and YellowDog |
| 15:54.58 | roxville | he did? |
| 15:55.10 | roxville | what's it called? |
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| 15:55.16 | CyberdogX86 | well, this one is from him isn't it? |
| 15:55.22 | roxville | oh no |
| 15:55.29 | roxville | nononono |
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| 15:56.05 | roxville | elive has got nothing (really) to do with the development of enlightenment |
| 15:56.09 | Theoden | Hey Bryanstein |
| 15:56.22 | roxville | elive is a debain based distro that uses e17 and e16 as wm's... |
| 15:56.30 | CyberdogX86 | the sites certainly seem intertwined |
| 15:56.37 | roxville | it is solely developed by Thanatermesis |
| 15:56.38 | CyberdogX86 | as if to give that impression |
| 15:56.40 | Bryanstein | I have to do with the developement of Enlightenmnet |
| 15:57.11 | CyberdogX86 | finish it up then |
| 15:57.18 | Bryanstein | lol no |
| 15:57.22 | Bryanstein | hey Theoden |
| 15:57.22 | roxville | CyberdogX86, e doesn't not mind elive using the "look"... and they let Thana use the stuff |
| 15:57.24 | CyberdogX86 | now |
| 15:57.41 | roxville | lol |
| 15:57.43 | CyberdogX86 | very OSS of him |
| 15:57.44 | roxville | does not |
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| 15:57.55 | CyberdogX86 | thank you |
| 15:57.56 | roxville | lol Bryanstein |
| 15:59.18 | Bryanstein | PetoKraus, |
| 16:00.13 | PetoKraus | yep? |
| 16:01.02 | CyberdogX86 | if i could run my apps on linux as well as on osx i might just switch |
| 16:01.14 | CyberdogX86 | but Leopard looks to be pretty cool |
| 16:01.25 | CyberdogX86 | i gotta see how that turns out |
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| 16:01.52 | roxville | brb... i hope... |
| 16:02.07 | PetoKraus | i think elive is very cool, i am looking forward to the next "stable" release of E17 |
| 16:02.18 | PetoKraus | these ones in tests repo... well... |
| 16:02.21 | Bryanstein | linux has more apps available than osx |
| 16:02.32 | keyra | PetoKraus: tests repository, enable it at your own risk like here: http://wiki.elivecd.org/index.php?title=Tests_branch_repository |
| 16:02.34 | CyberdogX86 | i don't mean quantity |
| 16:02.39 | CyberdogX86 | i need certain ones |
| 16:02.47 | Bryanstein | PetoKraus, did you get that nic working ? |
| 16:02.53 | Bryanstein | like waht programs? |
| 16:02.56 | CyberdogX86 | Adobe Creative Suite |
| 16:03.07 | Bryanstein | lol... |
| 16:03.12 | CyberdogX86 | Dreamweaver/Photoshop etc |
| 16:03.30 | Bryanstein | well ok...that isn't not going to happen as of yet |
| 16:03.46 | CyberdogX86 | there's always Crossover Office |
| 16:04.01 | CyberdogX86 | but i can't really justify it when i run OSX |
| 16:04.16 | Bryanstein | it's strange they make the crap for OSX and it can easily run on Linux if it is running on Darwin/OpenBSD |
| 16:04.27 | CyberdogX86 | i can run any OS9/OSX/*nix/Windows apps i need |
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| 16:04.40 | CyberdogX86 | yep |
| 16:04.46 | Spami | Hi |
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| 16:04.52 | CyberdogX86 | they really should por it |
| 16:04.53 | Bryanstein | well developing flash on Linux just isn't too mature |
| 16:04.57 | Bryanstein | yes |
| 16:04.59 | Bryanstein | they should |
| 16:05.05 | CyberdogX86 | port |
| 16:05.13 | Bryanstein | i knew what you meant |
| 16:05.28 | CyberdogX86 | not too many Linux graphic designers though |
| 16:05.43 | CyberdogX86 | no realy incentive for them to do it |
| 16:07.01 | Bryanstein | that isn't true CyberdogX86 |
| 16:07.11 | CyberdogX86 | i know there are some |
| 16:07.33 | Bryanstein | there are a lot actually have you ever used Maya? |
| 16:07.40 | CyberdogX86 | but since most apps they use don't run as well or at all on linux... |
| 16:07.43 | Bryanstein | Shake? |
| 16:07.55 | CyberdogX86 | yeah, there are more 3D designers than 2D on linux |
| 16:08.06 | Bryanstein | well actually the high end graphics designers and engineers use linux and unix |
| 16:08.26 | Bryanstein | yes that is right, that last statement you made |
| 16:08.30 | CyberdogX86 | OSX, Irix. Linux mostly for rendering farms from what i have read |
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| 16:09.07 | CyberdogX86 | Windows and OSX still hold the most designers. SGI is losing them quick to those two platforms |
| 16:09.24 | Bryanstein | I'm not going to say there are more designers on Linux than M$ or Mac because their market share is higher...macs are great for auido and video |
| 16:09.29 | CyberdogX86 | though i imagine some 3D guys will see the appeal of linux |
| 16:09.57 | CyberdogX86 | especially since it runs on some SGIs |
| 16:10.02 | Bryanstein | well but what I have seen in th 3D world...Audi designs its cars on Linux |
| 16:10.13 | CyberdogX86 | had an Indigo2 for a while |
| 16:10.20 | CyberdogX86 | ran irix though |
| 16:10.39 | CyberdogX86 | love Audis |
| 16:10.59 | CyberdogX86 | hey, i'm for it. i'd love to see Linux move out in front |
| 16:11.33 | CyberdogX86 | i tried Blender |
| 16:11.33 | Bryanstein | I have seen very very very large scale hydraulic modeling apps on Linux |
| 16:11.43 | CyberdogX86 | too complicated for me right now |
| 16:11.57 | Bryanstein | it is out in front in the Educational/Scientific/Engineering sector |
| 16:11.58 | CyberdogX86 | yep, that sort of stuff is moving to linux |
| 16:12.10 | CyberdogX86 | sure |
| 16:12.13 | CyberdogX86 | makes sense |
| 16:12.20 | Bryanstein | that is really what unix was designed for |
| 16:12.24 | CyberdogX86 | OSX can now do a lot of that too |
| 16:12.39 | CyberdogX86 | Apple isn't really pushing it as much as i'd hoped |
| 16:12.57 | CyberdogX86 | they're reinventing themselves as a consumer electronics company |
| 16:13.08 | Bryanstein | yes which is smarter |
| 16:13.14 | CyberdogX86 | yep |
| 16:13.24 | Bryanstein | there is more money with the end users and entry level crap |
| 16:13.35 | CyberdogX86 | no reason they can't assign a division to other things though |
| 16:13.47 | CyberdogX86 | they are marketing their servers pretty well |
| 16:14.00 | Bryanstein | well their servers are the best |
| 16:14.07 | CyberdogX86 | yep |
| 16:14.14 | CyberdogX86 | XServes are sweet |
| 16:14.22 | CyberdogX86 | had one at my old job |
| 16:14.23 | Bryanstein | you can't buffer overflow a ppc server |
| 16:14.31 | Bryanstein | like you can a x86 server |
| 16:14.44 | CyberdogX86 | well, they'll be using X86s in them soon |
| 16:14.54 | Bryanstein | well then that will be a big mistake |
| 16:15.09 | CyberdogX86 | they should hang with IBMs G5 for that application |
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| 16:15.33 | CyberdogX86 | they'll use Core2Duos or something though |
| 16:15.38 | Bryanstein | the RISC and CISC chips perform better calculations that the x86 ones |
| 16:15.53 | CyberdogX86 | i'll miss the PPC chip |
| 16:16.23 | CyberdogX86 | my Mini is X86 and i have a PentiumD dual core machine runnign hacked OSX86 |
| 16:16.24 | Bryanstein | Apple went out the door when they went to x86...it is good though in a sense |
| 16:16.39 | CyberdogX86 | it's a good move for them |
| 16:16.43 | CyberdogX86 | overall |
| 16:16.54 | Bryanstein | they can now sell osx for x86 |
| 16:17.05 | CyberdogX86 | they'll never do that |
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| 16:17.14 | Bryanstein | may be a while before it happens but I bet they do |
| 16:17.17 | CyberdogX86 | they'd just canabalize their own market |
| 16:17.36 | CyberdogX86 | and have to compete with entrenched windows |
| 16:17.41 | CyberdogX86 | losers bet |
| 16:17.57 | CyberdogX86 | they're putting macs out there as an appliance |
| 16:18.13 | Bryanstein | well actually not...Apple unlike any other manufacturer keeps all it's hardware sales nearly congruent...you can go to 30 different sites and you will find the prices nearly identical |
| 16:18.18 | CyberdogX86 | not a competing comnputer, but an experience |
| 16:18.23 | Bryanstein | maybe 20 to 30 bucks |
| 16:18.31 | CyberdogX86 | right |
| 16:18.43 | Bryanstein | that is why they sell that mini |
| 16:18.46 | Bryanstein | no monitor |
| 16:18.50 | CyberdogX86 | they have no desire to compete with windows for space on Dells and the like |
| 16:18.51 | Bryanstein | economical |
| 16:19.16 | CyberdogX86 | they'd never win and they know it. they're offering somethign different to a smaller market instead |
| 16:19.37 | CyberdogX86 | and hoping to win the larger untapped home consumer market |
| 16:19.56 | Bryanstein | they made that move with another move in mind...sell macs with win dual boot maybe ? |
| 16:20.02 | CyberdogX86 | they'd rather be Sony than Microsoft or Dell |
| 16:20.22 | CyberdogX86 | they don't stop you from running it, but they will not support it |
| 16:20.35 | CyberdogX86 | why get into Windows support? |
| 16:20.39 | CyberdogX86 | let MS deal with that |
| 16:20.56 | Bryanstein | well does Acer do windows support? |
| 16:21.17 | CyberdogX86 | for their machines i imagine they do |
| 16:21.31 | Bryanstein | the support issue it null if you look at how much money they will make |
| 16:21.32 | CyberdogX86 | at least some |
| 16:21.47 | CyberdogX86 | not much |
| 16:21.57 | Bryanstein | not much |
| 16:21.59 | Bryanstein | lol |
| 16:22.03 | CyberdogX86 | nope |
| 16:22.24 | Bryanstein | to grab a chunk of the M$ user base...sell their hardware with M$ on it |
| 16:22.27 | CyberdogX86 | without the "Mac" they are just another OS vendor |
| 16:22.38 | CyberdogX86 | competing for space with MS and Linux |
| 16:22.54 | CyberdogX86 | in the oversaturated PC market |
| 16:22.55 | Bryanstein | no without the look |
| 16:23.10 | Bryanstein | Sony tried hard to be macish |
| 16:23.11 | CyberdogX86 | Jobs has already said no way |
| 16:23.25 | CyberdogX86 | and it would be a horrible idea |
| 16:23.45 | Bryanstein | well I have been reading materials that say otherwise...no matter what He says... |
| 16:23.51 | CyberdogX86 | the only people who like it are people who want to put it on a 299.00 Dell and save money |
| 16:24.06 | CyberdogX86 | but would be Apple's incentive to do that? |
| 16:24.15 | Bryanstein | ok bu think about it |
| 16:24.25 | Bryanstein | does microsoft sell hardware |
| 16:24.33 | Bryanstein | no |
| 16:24.39 | Bryanstein | But who does |
| 16:24.42 | CyberdogX86 | no, but they already haev control of the OS PC market |
| 16:24.43 | Bryanstein | Apple |
| 16:24.55 | Bryanstein | and they did it with software alone |
| 16:25.01 | CyberdogX86 | Apple, Dell, Compaq, HP, ......................... |
| 16:25.09 | Bryanstein | and they made a lot of money |
| 16:25.13 | CyberdogX86 | they did it by attaching themselves to IBM |
| 16:25.20 | CyberdogX86 | nothing else but that |
| 16:25.39 | CyberdogX86 | oh, and by scamming IBM into letting them sell it to everyone |
| 16:25.44 | Bryanstein | ok so why can't Apple do it with Gateway, Dell and HP ? |
| 16:25.51 | CyberdogX86 | becaue IBM didn't realize what was coming |
| 16:25.58 | CyberdogX86 | that time is over |
| 16:26.10 | CyberdogX86 | you'd need a similar situation to do that again |
| 16:26.20 | CyberdogX86 | and it doesn't exist |
| 16:26.30 | Bryanstein | well not actually...many more people are buying computers today than ever |
| 16:26.45 | CyberdogX86 | not the same at all |
| 16:27.03 | Bryanstein | there is more of a demand now than ever |
| 16:27.14 | CyberdogX86 | you offer them a choice between Windows and OSX, OSX may not win |
| 16:27.39 | Bryanstein | well offer them a choice of Win or OSX on comodity hardware |
| 16:27.51 | Bryanstein | OSX will win more than they did before |
| 16:28.02 | CyberdogX86 | no indication of that |
| 16:28.16 | Bryanstein | then why go to x86? |
| 16:28.21 | CyberdogX86 | Windows has people believing they are the standard |
| 16:28.33 | CyberdogX86 | just like IBM did back in the day |
| 16:28.51 | CyberdogX86 | and they stomped Apple with inferior hardware after Apple already had the market |
| 16:29.02 | Bryanstein | why would they go to x86...ppc is somewhat proprietary when it comes to the end user |
| 16:29.10 | CyberdogX86 | nobody ever got fired from buying IBM thye used to say |
| 16:29.30 | CyberdogX86 | X86 makes it easier for apple to get spus faster |
| 16:29.33 | Bryanstein | you can't install M$ on ppc...Apple is good with breaking out of their niche |
| 16:29.45 | CyberdogX86 | Moto & IBM were slow to make new cpus for Apple |
| 16:30.07 | CyberdogX86 | cheaper, mor ereadily available hardware |
| 16:30.14 | Bryanstein | hmmm not necessarily...the cell cpu's are much smaller and faster than x86..cheaper no |
| 16:30.23 | CyberdogX86 | also ends the PPC vs X86 debate that was a diistraction |
| 16:30.40 | Bryanstein | why did apple make the bootcamp ? |
| 16:30.53 | CyberdogX86 | apple did this for them. from a marketing and cost standpoint it made too much sense |
| 16:31.13 | CyberdogX86 | to enable people to do what they wanted to do, and make the transistion easier |
| 16:31.53 | CyberdogX86 | remove another barrier to entry |
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| 16:31.53 | Bryanstein | and from a marketing standpoint it makes a lot of sense to really gain a share of the M$ market share |
| 16:31.53 | CyberdogX86 | end another argument about moving to Mac |
| 16:32.10 | Bryanstein | the smartest thing Mac has going is that it really doesn't need a ton of drivers |
| 16:32.14 | CyberdogX86 | they don't want to be another MS, or another Dell. Apple has a unique place in the market |
| 16:32.29 | CyberdogX86 | they lose that, they lose it all |
| 16:32.53 | Bryanstein | so you think they didn't loose a lot of users when they went to x86? |
| 16:33.04 | CyberdogX86 | it's like why doesn't Porsche sell engines to Chevy? |
| 16:33.11 | CyberdogX86 | they sell the whoel thing |
| 16:33.15 | Bryanstein | naw totally diffrent |
| 16:33.18 | CyberdogX86 | it's an experience |
| 16:33.29 | CyberdogX86 | Jobs would disagree |
| 16:33.38 | Bryanstein | the experience is in the Os and in the hardware |
| 16:33.38 | CyberdogX86 | that's the way he sees it |
| 16:33.49 | CyberdogX86 | that's exactly what i said |
| 16:33.59 | Bryanstein | really the hardware... |
| 16:34.07 | CyberdogX86 | really the OS |
| 16:34.08 | Bryanstein | so osx on a pc |
| 16:34.19 | Bryanstein | same experience |
| 16:34.25 | Bryanstein | as osx on a mac |
| 16:34.26 | CyberdogX86 | but also the look and higher end hardware of a mac |
| 16:34.46 | CyberdogX86 | you need all of it, or it's nothing |
| 16:35.07 | Bryanstein | I never thought they would move to x86 on their servers...not good |
| 16:35.21 | CyberdogX86 | OSX on the specific hardware Apple chose, the same. on commodity crap PCs, much worse |
| 16:35.27 | CyberdogX86 | called diluting the brand |
| 16:35.31 | CyberdogX86 | always a bad idea |
| 16:35.53 | CyberdogX86 | Jobs will never allow it to happen |
| 16:36.00 | Bryanstein | Apple doesn't make Nvidia drivers...ATI drivers...wifi drivers |
| 16:36.09 | CyberdogX86 | so? |
| 16:36.31 | Bryanstein | but...the thing is ...the BSD community supports a lot of that crap... |
| 16:36.52 | CyberdogX86 | and apple gives back to that community |
| 16:37.09 | Bryanstein | but the community gives more to Apple |
| 16:37.21 | CyberdogX86 | no one is forcing them |
| 16:37.32 | CyberdogX86 | they must see an upside |
| 16:37.35 | Bryanstein | Apple is use to xyz hardware for their systems |
| 16:37.48 | Bryanstein | where as the community wants to run a-z hardware |
| 16:38.23 | CyberdogX86 | they get a lot of "BSD" users just by being connected to Apple |
| 16:38.29 | Bryanstein | and the hack to run OSX on a PC...isn't is on the developer cd for OSX or something ? |
| 16:38.35 | CyberdogX86 | they are alot less obscure now |
| 16:38.41 | CyberdogX86 | no |
| 16:38.48 | Bryanstein | true and you can run x windows on top of it |
| 16:38.53 | CyberdogX86 | that hack is illegal and Apple keeps trying to stop it |
| 16:39.14 | CyberdogX86 | but they are not prosecuting it |
| 16:39.16 | CyberdogX86 | smart |
| 16:39.21 | Bryanstein | well I thought I read something that they actually supported it |
| 16:39.30 | CyberdogX86 | it's just one more way to get people using a mac |
| 16:39.37 | CyberdogX86 | eventually they'll buy a real one |
| 16:39.47 | CyberdogX86 | no way do they support it |
| 16:39.56 | CyberdogX86 | they consider it stealing |
| 16:40.12 | Bryanstein | hmmm...I need to find that article |
| 16:40.17 | CyberdogX86 | even if you buy a copy too |
| 16:40.23 | Bryanstein | the guys name who did it is known |
| 16:40.40 | Bryanstein | and I thought I read an article saying a piece of it was on the dev cd |
| 16:40.43 | CyberdogX86 | dude, i am heavily involved in that community because i run the OSX86 |
| 16:40.47 | CyberdogX86 | yeah, i know him |
| 16:40.53 | CyberdogX86 | talk to him on irc all the time |
| 16:41.03 | CyberdogX86 | there are actually several people doing it |
| 16:41.28 | Bryanstein | well you got me on that one...I just know it on the periphery |
| 16:41.44 | CyberdogX86 | while Apple sees no upside t osuing potential customers, that is a loooooong way from supporting it |
| 16:41.48 | Bryanstein | I was running OSX on an xbox in 2003 |
| 16:41.54 | CyberdogX86 | JaS is his nick |
| 16:42.22 | CyberdogX86 | he took it over from the original guy |
| 16:42.35 | PrinceAMD | who called me? |
| 16:42.49 | CyberdogX86 | #osx86 on macspeak |
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| 16:43.16 | CyberdogX86 | but there are a few distros floating around now |
| 16:44.31 | Bryanstein | I'm just saying...the first thing tech heads and the non savvy did was to put the OSX cd in a dell and see what happens |
| 16:44.39 | Bryanstein | a lot of people tried it |
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| 16:45.57 | Bryanstein | I pulled out my old ibook G3 to maybe ressurrect it |
| 16:46.08 | Bryanstein | it looks like a science project now |
| 16:46.25 | CyberdogX86 | ueah, that didn't work |
| 16:46.34 | CyberdogX86 | Apple has it tied to the hardware |
| 16:46.37 | CyberdogX86 | it had to be hacked |
| 16:47.00 | Bryanstein | no cover...lcd isnt bolted on...my fan stopped working and my pcmcia did too |
| 16:47.26 | CyberdogX86 | OSX86 woudn't run on PPC anyhow |
| 16:47.29 | Bryanstein | well actually they used the hand wand on it at the airport and killed it |
| 16:47.41 | CyberdogX86 | but Tiger will |
| 16:47.42 | Bryanstein | no I wouldn't want to run it on their |
| 16:47.52 | Bryanstein | I run Linux on my mac |
| 16:48.06 | CyberdogX86 | runs great on my wife's iBook G3, Tiger that is |
| 16:48.15 | Bryanstein | 500 mhz? |
| 16:48.21 | CyberdogX86 | 700 |
| 16:48.37 | Bryanstein | lol I have the 5...it really runs like an 8 or 9 |
| 16:48.44 | CyberdogX86 | 768 ram |
| 16:49.34 | Bryanstein | I only kept osx server on a partition so I can make images to netboot macs |
| 16:49.37 | Bryanstein | from a linux box |
| 16:49.45 | CyberdogX86 | cool |
| 16:50.03 | Bryanstein | I dont know what it is but macs ar so addictive |
| 16:50.17 | CyberdogX86 | i know :-) |
| 16:50.20 | CyberdogX86 | well, gotta go cut the grass |
| 16:50.22 | Bryanstein | this thing looks like it was dropped out of a f15 |
| 16:50.23 | CyberdogX86 | bbl |
| 16:50.56 | Bryanstein | but I started looking online to maybe piece it back together from cheap partsd on ebay |
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| 18:02.28 | Theoden | http://s207.photobucket.com/albums/bb48/madill48/?action=view¤t=EliveLove.png |
| 18:04.04 | ravtux | Theoden: hey |
| 18:04.16 | Theoden | Howdy |
| 18:04.49 | ravtux | Theoden: I am proud to say I am a proud user of Elive Gem 1.0 |
| 18:05.12 | Theoden | Welcome to the future! :-) |
| 18:05.30 | ravtux | Theoden: one question can I safely upgrade to the CVS builds from Elive Gem 1.0? |
| 18:06.15 | ravtux | Theoden: nice screenshot btw |
| 18:06.24 | Theoden | They are dev releases - therefore inherently not as 'guaranteed' stable as 1.0 - so do so at your own risk. |
| 18:06.28 | Theoden | thx |
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| 18:07.26 | ravtux | cool |
| 18:07.50 | ravtux | Theoden: I have started a Elive Users Group on YouTube also: http://www.youtube.com/group/elive |
| 18:08.01 | Theoden | k |
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| 18:10.32 | Elive_user44 | #amiga |
| 18:10.47 | Elive_user44 | #groups |
| 18:11.42 | Elive_user44 | hi can anyone tell me how you can see what other groups are available and how you can change you i.d please? |
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| 19:33.06 | Elive_user40 | anyone out there? |
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| 20:35.41 | SuperpeZ | hello |
| 20:35.56 | keyra | SuperpeZ: hi |
| 20:35.59 | LinuxNIT | hi |
| 20:36.10 | SuperpeZ | :) |
| 20:36.17 | SuperpeZ | how are you |
| 20:36.33 | LinuxNIT | good and yoursef? |
| 20:36.49 | SuperpeZ | fine also, thanks |
| 20:37.19 | SuperpeZ | you know how to modify some elive theme? |
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| 20:39.11 | LinuxNIT | for e17? |
| 20:40.23 | SuperpeZ | mmm I have 0.16.999.026 |
| 20:41.13 | LinuxNIT | <SuperpeZ> you know how to modify some elive theme? |
| 20:41.17 | LinuxNIT | the e17 theme? |
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| 20:42.55 | SuperpeZ | yes LinuxNIT :) |
| 20:49.40 | LinuxNIT | take the .edj file and run edje_decc filename.edj on the file |
| 20:49.51 | LinuxNIT | then edit the images and .edc as you see appropriate |
| 20:49.59 | LinuxNIT | then recompile the theme with the build script |
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| 21:22.47 | elmo40 | anyone thinking of getting a new iPod? http://ipodminusitunes.blogspot.com/2007/09/apple-cuts-us-off.html |
| 21:26.40 | PrinceAMD | get u'r elive Security+ cert today |
| 21:26.46 | PrinceAMD | $100 us |
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| 21:38.39 | elmo40 | Elive CERT ? |
| 21:44.38 | PrinceAMD | yes |
| 21:44.43 | PrinceAMD | elive certification |
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| 22:43.17 | hermit | roxville, ? |
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| 22:44.56 | Elive_user5 | is there any chance to change the Backgrounds in e17? |
| 22:45.26 | hermit | yes |
| 22:45.53 | Elive_user5 | I tried the howto of get-e, but it wouldn work |
| 22:46.18 | rubasub | good evening to one and all |
| 22:46.41 | Elive_user5 | good evening, too |
| 22:46.42 | hermit | If all you want is to change the background. first have some background pics |
| 22:47.18 | hermit | the on the menu open configuration/ background and import any of those pics |
| 22:47.18 | Elive_user5 | i got the india.edj |
| 22:47.33 | rubasub | do background pics have to be in any format? |
| 22:47.54 | Elive_user5 | seems to be so, as far as I read |
| 22:48.00 | hermit | its will create the format when you do it the way I descibed |
| 22:49.14 | Elive_user5 | aye, but it allready is, so this one should work, ant it looks great anyway |
| 22:49.41 | hermit | now if your looking for entire theme things, thats a bit different and I don't know which ones are working with this version of elive |
| 22:50.03 | Theoden | http://s207.photobucket.com/albums/bb48/madill48/?action=view¤t=EliveLove.png |
| 22:50.18 | Theoden | http://s207.photobucket.com/albums/bb48/madill48/?action=view¤t=BlueRod.png |
| 22:50.52 | Elive_user5 | it's said to be a Background, not a theme |
| 22:50.54 | Theoden | http://s207.photobucket.com/albums/bb48/madill48/?action=view¤t=PampasLake.png |
| 22:51.17 | Theoden | CHanging backgrounds is easy the way he told you. |
| 22:51.38 | Elive_user5 | who told me where? |
| 22:51.42 | roxville | hermit, yes? |
| 22:52.05 | Theoden | <hermit> the on the menu open configuration/ background and import any of those pics |
| 22:52.21 | Theoden | Hey roxville |
| 22:52.45 | roxville | Elive_user5, the india.edj background does not work with elive's current version of e17 |
| 22:53.00 | keyra | roxville: the version of E17 in Elive Revolution is a old but stable version, this means to its incompatible with some updates of E17 things (no on Elive, but for example on www.get-e.org), if you want to use a recent version of e17 you can install it from the tests repository: http://wiki.elivecd.org/index.php?title=Tests_branch_repository |
| 22:53.16 | roxville | none of the animated bg's from get-e.org work with elive atm |
| 22:53.28 | roxville | or themes, etc |
| 22:54.11 | Elive_user5 | ah, thanks. This is a great help. I thought I'm going mad there |
| 22:54.12 | roxville | they will be available when elive releases the next dev version... which will lead up to 2.0 |
| 22:54.17 | roxville | hehe |
| 22:54.28 | roxville | you're not alone, Elive_user5 :) |
| 22:55.06 | Elive_user5 | and might still last a bit. Thanks for the kind support here anyway. so I can go to sleep |
| 22:55.10 | roxville | Elive_user5, if you need a an animated bg that works with elive, talk to mathmanp |
| 22:55.45 | roxville | you and him seem to be in the same timezone... and prolly speak the same lingo :) |
| 22:56.13 | roxville | anyway, he has some bg's that work with elive |
| 22:56.18 | roxville | :) |
| 22:56.21 | roxville | brb |
| 22:56.57 | Elive_user5 | right. I know my english is pretty fucked. Great OS, anyways. I really like it |
| 22:59.19 | Theoden | where is this india bg? I'll edit it to work. |
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| 22:59.52 | Theoden | where is this india bg? I'll edit it to work. |
| 23:00.09 | roxville | Theoden, get-r.org |
| 23:00.12 | roxville | lol |
| 23:00.19 | roxville | get-r-done |
| 23:00.25 | Theoden | lol |
| 23:00.25 | roxville | get-e.org |
| 23:00.38 | hermit | http://www1.get-e.org/Backgrounds/Animated/ |
| 23:00.45 | roxville | i gotta get daughter outta her bath, bbiab |
| 23:02.56 | rubasub | has anyone here edited anything using Video packages inorder to upload on myspace or youtube...is it possible? |
| 23:09.44 | roxville | hermit, now... what can i do for ya? :) |
| 23:10.25 | roxville | rubasub, go to youtube and do a search for elive :) |
| 23:10.26 | hermit | roxville, I came across a link I thought would be a good addition to the ones that come preinstalled |
| 23:10.42 | roxville | ok, bring it on! |
| 23:10.52 | hermit | http://www.linuxinsight.com/how-to-flash-motherboard-bios-from-linux-no-dos-windows-no-floppy-drive.html |
| 23:11.24 | hermit | I just used it. changed my daughters cpu and had to update the bios |
| 23:11.30 | hermit | worked a charmed |
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| 23:12.05 | Theoden | How the hell many files are in that background?! |
| 23:12.07 | Theoden | Damn! |
| 23:12.28 | Theoden | Need a mainframe to run it. |
| 23:12.28 | Theoden | lol |
| 23:12.46 | roxville | hermit, cool! i have notified thana about it. thank you :) |
| 23:13.04 | rubasub | roxville>I've seen some things but am illiterate on the subject of file formats when it comes to "lives" ect |
| 23:14.18 | roxville | hehe rubasub i am too :) but Thanatermesis has uploaded his elive vids... made in cinelerra...on elive...to youtube |
| 23:14.32 | keyra | roxville: cinelerra r0cks! |
| 23:14.39 | rubasub | just looking, I see what you mean |
| 23:14.46 | roxville | i think they want avi's... and they convert them to something |
| 23:15.19 | rubasub | cinelarra might well rock but I'm clueless when it comes to edit files etc |
| 23:15.25 | roxville | hermit, that's an awesome howto! |
| 23:16.05 | roxville | rubasub, google it... like linux movie youtube or something |
| 23:16.11 | hermit | ya it is. if it worked for me I figure most anyone can do it |
| 23:16.34 | roxville | wow, i have a very tired little girl here... |
| 23:16.51 | roxville | bbiab |
| 23:18.39 | rubasub | I keep doing snippets of logging, editing, digitising in friends studio but never see project through and want to elive something |
| 23:19.43 | LinuxNIT | hmm maybe we should take the bgs on get-e.org and on e17-stuff and convert them to work with this version of e17 so people can have them... till the dev version comes out |
| 23:20.40 | roxville | LinuxNIT, not a bad idea |
| 23:20.51 | LinuxNIT | howbout i tell you how... and you do it |
| 23:20.52 | LinuxNIT | ;) |
| 23:21.16 | rubasub | Catch folk some othertime during daylight, thanks for youtube info...will watch! |
| 23:21.19 | roxville | now the users find get-e about 20 secs after they have installed elive... and they don't open xchat until they find out the stuff from there doesn't work |
| 23:21.59 | LinuxNIT | not much i can do about that |
| 23:22.09 | mathmanp | hehe, remove the links ;) |
| 23:22.26 | roxville | hehe |
| 23:22.27 | LinuxNIT | i guess ill have to boot the livecd so i can make sure they work when i do it :( |
| 23:22.52 | LinuxNIT | too many people know about get-e or find it on google for that to work |
| 23:22.59 | roxville | ok, bed time for daughter... |
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| 23:23.31 | mathmanp | and you will have to decc them on new e and cc on elive because transparency is hanled different these days |
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| 23:34.14 | Theoden | Well - india now works just fine with elive - as released. |
| 23:41.30 | Theoden | FOr anyone who cares .... |
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| 23:52.31 | roxville | Theoden, can you send it to me and i can upload it to a good dir? |
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| 23:52.49 | roxville | or if you wanna upload it somewhere and keep the link |
| 23:53.09 | roxville | and thank you :) |
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