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| 00:11.30 | Bryanstein | any of you guys using elive on 64 bit systems ??? |
| 00:11.44 | keyra | Bryanstein: please make a look to http://elivecd.org/gb/Main/News/_articles/27.html |
| 00:14.52 | Bryanstein | roxville, FossZombie |
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| 00:32.49 | Theoden | Bryanstein: |
| 00:40.00 | Bryanstein | hey Theoden |
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| 02:13.37 | LinuxNIT-II | Bryanstein, yes i am |
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| 02:32.47 | rebbi | anybody here using animated icons from get-e.org? |
| 02:34.54 | rebbi | guess not... |
| 02:35.41 | LinuxNIT-II | having trouble with them? |
| 02:35.53 | rebbi | hey, linuxNIT! |
| 02:35.56 | LinuxNIT-II | hey |
| 02:36.16 | rebbi | yes... some of them work and some don't, which wasn't the case before... |
| 02:36.26 | LinuxNIT-II | what version of e17? |
| 02:36.38 | rebbi | latest from "tests" |
| 02:36.44 | LinuxNIT-II | which icons dont work? |
| 02:37.38 | rebbi | xchat2.edj, for example. I can select it in the edit icon dialogue window, but it doesn't show up in the app and the ibar when I click on OK |
| 02:38.01 | rebbi | the one for iceweasel, however, works fine |
| 02:38.06 | rebbi | odd |
| 02:39.48 | LinuxNIT-II | works here |
| 02:39.59 | LinuxNIT-II | try doing it again |
| 02:41.32 | LinuxNIT-II | if it still dosent work restart e17 |
| 02:43.11 | rebbi | okay, i'll give that a try |
| 02:43.13 | rebbi | thanks |
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| 03:18.54 | FossZombie | Bryanstein, yes I use elive on 64bit systems, but my port of elive64 is out-dated and so I trashed it |
| 03:19.02 | FossZombie | I just use 32bit on the 64bit system now. |
| 03:19.08 | keyra | FossZombie: please make a look to http://elivecd.org/gb/Main/News/_articles/27.html |
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| 04:15.01 | Bryanstein | FossZombie, would you happen to have access to a Redhat based machine ? |
| 04:17.09 | FossZombie | Bryanstein, I could download fedora |
| 04:17.20 | FossZombie | why |
| 04:17.59 | FossZombie | Bryanstein, debian 64 works fine. |
| 04:24.23 | Bryanstein | lol nevermind...I have fc4 ...not installed...I wanted to build an rpm |
| 04:25.12 | Bryanstein | I gave up on fedora since the newest releases ..made for cadillacs when I like to run a pinto as a server |
| 04:25.18 | Bryanstein | thanks though FossZombie |
| 04:26.36 | FossZombie | Go get Gentoo or Debian if you want to run on "pinto" |
| 04:26.50 | keyra | FossZombie: Debian is the SH%$T my friend ! |
| 04:32.22 | Bryanstein | FossZombie, I have a Debian based server...I left rpm's in the dust I just wanted to brush up on it |
| 04:32.57 | FossZombie | it's been a long time since I've had to do anything rpm based |
| 04:33.07 | FossZombie | most businesses want deb based |
| 04:33.28 | Bryanstein | well Redhat has more business appeal |
| 04:33.38 | Bryanstein | Not functionality |
| 04:33.39 | FossZombie | I'm holding a check |
| 04:33.41 | Bryanstein | but appeal |
| 04:33.43 | FossZombie | in my hands right now |
| 04:33.54 | FossZombie | that says that businesses like kubuntu more than redhat |
| 04:34.19 | FossZombie | 200$ for a bit of work done. |
| 04:34.26 | Bryanstein | Kubuntu for a desktop maybe yes, but...servers |
| 04:34.46 | FossZombie | Sure if it's a graphical server |
| 04:34.52 | FossZombie | there's more than one type of server |
| 04:34.56 | Bryanstein | <>~~~~ had Debian Etch server and is using Ubuntu server now...which is pure crap |
| 04:35.10 | keyra | Bryanstein: Debian is the SH%$T my friend ! |
| 04:35.14 | Bryanstein | of course, but real bastion servers don't have a gui |
| 04:35.19 | FossZombie | For the graphical servers it's kubuntu for the terminal servers it's debian etch |
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| 04:35.43 | FossZombie | Or xubuntu |
| 04:35.52 | FossZombie | depends on if they want canonical support |
| 04:35.55 | Bryanstein | Well Ubunutu is trying to gain market shares from Redhat but RH has the largest share |
| 04:35.58 | FossZombie | they wanted support on the graphical server. |
| 04:36.05 | wasynyt | good morning people |
| 04:36.13 | Bryanstein | I see they have a Quasi Ubuntu Cert |
| 04:36.21 | FossZombie | RHEL has Paypal's business |
| 04:36.30 | FossZombie | hi wasynyt |
| 04:37.05 | FossZombie | I'm thinking of stupid ways to spend this 200$ I made in only about 20min work but I need to buy new shoes, clothes, etc. |
| 04:37.22 | FossZombie | I should would like to buy a new cpu/motherboard/ram |
| 04:38.11 | Bryanstein | well FossZombie I used RedHat based systems because a lot of companies I was working for had it like the chicken pox |
| 04:39.00 | Bryanstein | FossZombie, I installed Ubuntu server and was thuroughly let down |
| 04:39.06 | FossZombie | I've used centos |
| 04:39.15 | Bryanstein | it doesn't even come with OpenSSH but it has LAMP |
| 04:39.17 | Bryanstein | lol WTF |
| 04:39.41 | FossZombie | ya funny |
| 04:39.48 | Bryanstein | there is a lot broken and or missing in Ubuntu Server fresh out of the ISO |
| 04:39.52 | FossZombie | why not just use openbsd really. |
| 04:40.10 | FossZombie | want to kill feisty xubuntu? apt-get install apache |
| 04:40.18 | Bryanstein | I like FreeBSD...OpenBSD has better hardware support |
| 04:40.49 | FossZombie | Debian's doing KFreeBSD, OpenBSD ports. |
| 04:41.03 | FossZombie | they will also do Solaris port and maybe minix port but they already have hurd port |
| 04:41.09 | FossZombie | you gotta boostrap hurd no gui |
| 04:41.33 | Bryanstein | HURD...been a while since I even looked at it |
| 04:41.46 | FossZombie | It's nice but... |
| 04:41.49 | FossZombie | not used much. |
| 04:41.58 | FossZombie | HURD used to be "THE" gnu kernel |
| 04:42.06 | FossZombie | linux came along |
| 04:42.08 | Bryanstein | I know... |
| 04:42.20 | FossZombie | I still love my HURD |
| 04:43.05 | Bryanstein | The only other RH based system I used personally was YDL just cause they had good support for PPC macs |
| 04:43.34 | FossZombie | they have apt4rpm in fedora avaliable I think |
| 04:43.49 | Bryanstein | I ran FreeBSD and Debian on it but YDL had this rockstart appeal |
| 04:44.03 | keyra | Bryanstein: Debian is the SH%$T my friend ! |
| 04:44.22 | FossZombie | apt shoot keyra |
| 04:44.31 | apt | ACTION shoots keyra in the ear with a frozen turkey cannon! |
| 04:44.31 | Bryanstein | lol I made keyra say that lol |
| 04:45.03 | FossZombie | apt shoot himself |
| 04:45.04 | apt | ACTION shoots himself in the eye with a frozen turkey cannon! |
| 04:45.15 | FossZombie | Murder suicide |
| 04:45.18 | Bryanstein | lol |
| 04:45.40 | Bryanstein | 200 for 20 mins is good though |
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| 04:46.05 | FossZombie | that's what 600 an hour? |
| 04:46.10 | Bryanstein | linux server support per hour is around 150 |
| 04:46.22 | Bryanstein | 150 to 200 |
| 04:46.24 | FossZombie | I told them I'd charge 60$/h |
| 04:46.35 | FossZombie | but they were REALLY HAPPY with the service I gave them. |
| 04:46.56 | Bryanstein | lol really...that was super low |
| 04:46.56 | FossZombie | and how fast |
| 04:46.57 | Bryanstein | let me guess a NIC problem |
| 04:47.07 | FossZombie | no |
| 04:47.39 | Bryanstein | YOu can't even get Mr Fix it to work on your pc for under 65 an hour...linux server support is crazy expensive |
| 04:48.05 | Bryanstein | Mandrake use to charge 10,000 for 10 incidents on a machine that had more than 3 services running |
| 04:48.33 | FossZombie | Planning the infrastructure of two offices. Had to go out to the sites to figure out how we were going to set them up and write out what they needed. |
| 04:48.58 | FossZombie | Set one of their partners up with the plan and having him execute it. |
| 04:49.16 | FossZombie | They needed my brain to help make service orders so they could deploy effectivly. |
| 04:49.24 | Bryanstein | oh no real dirty work...just logistics |
| 04:49.51 | FossZombie | At first they were going to have me deploy 16 computers, 8 at each office, and 2 servers, and some other stuff |
| 04:50.24 | FossZombie | It was ok that they dropped the contract, worked out for both of us, they got my know-how and I passed all the info to the tech he needed. |
| 04:50.31 | FossZombie | and I got a job now so.. |
| 04:50.52 | Bryanstein | sounds like good stuff... |
| 04:50.58 | FossZombie | Yes |
| 04:51.06 | FossZombie | Made a friend along the way. |
| 04:51.09 | Bryanstein | green in hand is a good day |
| 04:51.24 | FossZombie | the check is pink with red border |
| 04:51.32 | Bryanstein | lol |
| 04:51.33 | FossZombie | it will be green |
| 04:52.14 | Bryanstein | You ever notice you walk with a different bounce when you have add more dollars behind your name |
| 04:52.19 | FossZombie | I've got a good rep as a "go to" man |
| 04:52.30 | FossZombie | Most people don't want to pay |
| 04:52.35 | FossZombie | those who do are very happy. |
| 04:53.04 | Bryanstein | Most don't want to hire...they love to contract you as a sys admin because they just don't want to pay you what you are worth |
| 04:53.11 | FossZombie | Who'd ever think that somone would smile while giving you 200$ for 20 minutes work. |
| 04:53.17 | Bryanstein | lol |
| 04:53.54 | Bryanstein | Well that 20 mins just made their company xxxx amount of dollars |
| 04:54.05 | FossZombie | ya |
| 04:54.12 | FossZombie | or maybe xxxxxxx amount |
| 04:54.14 | Bryanstein | you put them in the black literally... |
| 04:54.34 | FossZombie | I may get another job out of it. |
| 04:54.38 | Bryanstein | more like xxxxxxxxxx | until they leave the location |
| 04:54.45 | Bryanstein | that is how it usually works |
| 04:55.00 | FossZombie | possible I get the job of killing 60 copies of windows and installing linux, setting up network |
| 04:55.43 | Bryanstein | Killing windows...don't you get a medal for that or something ? |
| 04:56.20 | FossZombie | Bronze star or something. |
| 04:56.55 | Bryanstein | LOL Bronze Star |
| 04:56.55 | FossZombie | nothing funner than calling ms rep "come down here if you want and confirm the licence termination on 60 machines. |
| 04:57.06 | FossZombie | quote "oh I'm happy you are upgrading to vista" |
| 04:57.12 | Bryanstein | lol |
| 04:57.13 | FossZombie | no, im getting rid of xp |
| 04:57.21 | FossZombie | not "upgrading to vista" |
| 04:57.32 | FossZombie | quote "what do you mean?" |
| 04:57.52 | FossZombie | I mean linux is a business machine. Windows is not. |
| 04:58.15 | FossZombie | quote "would you reconsider, is there a chance I can keep you from switching to linux" |
| 04:58.30 | FossZombie | got any solaris dvd's I can borrow? |
| 04:58.58 | Bryanstein | I had /have a link that outlines how to get your money back off a unit that has win pre installed... |
| 04:59.06 | Bryanstein | from dell or who ever |
| 04:59.15 | Bryanstein | dl unbreakable Linux |
| 04:59.30 | FossZombie | if your vender declines it |
| 04:59.37 | FossZombie | you gotta send it to ms directly |
| 04:59.42 | FossZombie | AFK... gotta go |
| 04:59.46 | FossZombie | be back in hour |
| 04:59.55 | Bryanstein | sure....later |
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| 12:49.36 | keyra | MADL: nas nas |
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| 13:30.42 | Gwildor | ummm....huh? |
| 13:33.11 | vipeltaejae | at the install mode elive asks you, would you like to install touchpad mouse or normal (or something like that ) |
| 13:33.37 | Gwildor | ok.. |
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| 17:30.26 | assasukasse | Theoden: mine works |
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| 17:49.20 | vipeltaejae | how can i see running processes? my skype is somewhere in linux ;) |
| 17:52.25 | Gwildor_work | top. |
| 17:52.28 | Gwildor_work | i prefer htop |
| 17:52.34 | Gwildor_work | apt-get isntall htop |
| 17:53.50 | vipeltaejae | okey, thanks! |
| 17:55.41 | Gwildor_work | vipeltaejae, or, you can just killall skype |
| 17:57.54 | Theoden | assasukasse: Mine's working now too - must have been some temp glitch in the net. |
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| 18:06.59 | assasukasse | Theoden: just to know, yesterday a russian prick stole my icq account... |
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| 18:37.06 | Wizard | hello |
| 18:37.23 | Wizard | is there a way to refresh dhcp lease from commnad line ? |
| 18:37.56 | Wizard | it would be very handy, cuz' i'm having problems with dhcp server and i don't want to reboot to linux (yuck:P) |
| 18:40.18 | Wizard | shiiiiiiiiit |
| 18:40.22 | Wizard | wrong channel :D |
| 18:44.04 | Begasus | lol |
| 18:44.15 | Begasus | busted!!! |
| 18:53.45 | Chi11y | pwn |
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| 20:18.44 | jonah1980 | hi is there a way to install elive but with dr17 from the start? |
| 20:26.08 | Gwildor_work | you wanting current? |
| 20:26.11 | Gwildor_work | jonah1980, ? |
| 20:26.19 | Gwildor_work | 0.41 is in the test repos's |
| 20:26.22 | Gwildor_work | .041 |
| 20:26.33 | keyra | Gwildor_work: tests repository, enable it at your own risk like here: http://wiki.elivecd.org/index.php?title=Tests_branch_repository |
| 20:26.53 | jonah1980 | yeah but when i installed gem last time, i then had to enable tests so it was a big mess |
| 20:27.02 | jonah1980 | i wondered if i could install gem with new version from start |
| 20:27.07 | Gwildor_work | well, this is still gem, its the smae thing.. |
| 20:27.14 | Gwildor_work | no... gem has the old version |
| 20:27.49 | jonah1980 | yeah that's what i mean, i had to install the old version first then remove and put new in and it made a mess |
| 20:28.07 | jonah1980 | i had bits of the old, and folder structure and file types of the old etc |
| 20:28.18 | jonah1980 | i want to start with dr17 if i can |
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| 20:34.47 | Gwildor_work | remove...put in new... |
| 20:34.49 | Gwildor_work | this is debian\ |
| 20:37.51 | roxville | Gwildor_work, he would need to get a debian and install svn |
| 20:38.09 | roxville | but that's not elive, so he'd have to ask somewhere else |
| 20:38.13 | Gwildor_work | right.. |
| 20:38.20 | Gwildor_work | he asked about gem.... this is #elive.. |
| 20:38.24 | Gwildor_work | so i answered for elive |
| 20:38.31 | roxville | ya |
| 20:39.04 | roxville | either that, or... wait until thana releases a new version |
| 20:39.09 | roxville | it's as simple as that |
| 20:39.21 | roxville | hard to install something that doesn't exist |
| 20:40.04 | Gwildor_work | your forgot you magic wand at home today, didnt you |
| 20:40.31 | roxville | i guess i did :) |
| 20:40.46 | roxville | i actually left it over at ed's |
| 20:41.03 | Gwildor_work | oh, ed called... he said he broke what you left there |
| 20:41.54 | roxville | lol |
| 20:48.14 | roxville | wow incendius was here? damn i didn't seem him? |
| 20:48.17 | roxville | ! |
| 20:48.23 | Gwildor_work | who dat? |
| 20:48.38 | roxville | no idea, never seen him before |
| 20:48.54 | roxville | :) |
| 20:52.03 | Gwildor_work | lol |
| 20:53.43 | roxville | ok time to go again... gotta get the wife... |
| 20:53.53 | roxville | and then fix dinner and stuff |
| 20:53.55 | roxville | bbl |
| 20:55.18 | Gwildor_work | aight...drive safe |
| 20:56.40 | assasukasse | hi all |
| 20:56.49 | assasukasse | is there any better torrent client than transmission? |
| 20:57.02 | assasukasse | and more, is there any good sip client? |
| 20:57.09 | Gwildor_work | ekiga. |
| 20:57.23 | Gwildor_work | torrent client.... i dont torrent much, what do you normally use? |
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| 21:38.35 | assasukasse | Gwildor_work: but i have to install alllooooottt of gnome libs |
| 21:38.45 | assasukasse | Gwildor_work: deluge is the best for me |
| 21:39.10 | assasukasse | btw, did someone try to install audacity? i did, but i can't make an eap for it..i dunno what's wrong |
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| 21:44.00 | Gwildor_work | i havent |
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| 22:18.19 | assasukasse | Gwildor_work: i am going to install ekiga then...do u know if deluge is on etch? |
| 22:18.32 | Gwildor_work | no idea... i dont use it.. |
| 22:18.36 | Gwildor_work | never heard of it actually |
| 22:20.20 | assasukasse | Gwildor_work: aww, only debian testing and unstable |
| 22:20.28 | assasukasse | Gwildor_work: seems i can't use |
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| 22:44.44 | THEoracle | hello all |
| 22:44.56 | THEoracle | roxville, long time no see |
| 22:46.22 | roxville | Theoden, HI! |
| 22:46.29 | roxville | yes indeed... |
| 22:46.44 | roxville | where fu... where in the world have you been? |
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| 22:47.09 | roxville | hi quidam- :) |
| 22:47.17 | quidam- | roxville, o/! |
| 22:48.01 | roxville | :) |
| 22:48.40 | THEoracle | i've been around......just didn't have a pc @ home......now i do :-) |
| 22:48.53 | roxville | hehe ok |
| 22:49.00 | roxville | glad to know you're ok :) |
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