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00:07.38ciphernautwhom do i ping for a code to get the devel snapshot?
00:07.53keyraciphernaut: See that http://www.elivecd.org/codes
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00:14.23ciphernautI bought a lihnk a while back for the stable version ... has the devel version been given lvm support?
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02:49.57roxville<PiousMinion> Can elive install to and boot from a thumb drive?  If not, what about booting the live version from thumb drive?
02:50.03roxvillei think the dev version can
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05:13.46Elive_user92hello all
05:15.09Elive_user92I need toset up a fileserver and local website for a non-profit ,,,, low user base,,, most tothe use will be with egroupware insidethe lan ,,,, thinking of using the new elive unless anyone has a better idea?????
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05:32.15Elive_user92I need toset up a fileserver and local website for a non-profit ,,,, low user base,,, most tothe use will be with egroupware insidethe lan ,,,, thinking of using the new elive unless anyone has a better idea?????
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05:36.43Detoxhi
05:38.17Detoxanyone home?
05:42.46roxvilleDetox, i'm here, bro
05:42.55Detoxhihihihihi
05:43.18Detoxgive me a min plz
05:44.32roxvillelol ok
05:47.22roxvilletic, toc, tic, toc, tic, toc...
05:53.00Wizardgood morning
05:54.26roxvillemorning Wizard
05:56.16Detoxhey roxville what is command to show version of elive running?
05:59.10roxvillegood question
05:59.48Wizardcat /etc/elive-version
05:59.51Wizardor something like this
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06:03.26Detoxrunning elive version 0.3
06:04.20Wizardhmm.. does somebody use mcabber ?
06:04.49roxvilleDetox,  lol
06:05.14roxvilleWizard,  nope, never heard of it
06:06.06Wizardconsole jabber client
06:06.19Wizardseems to look pretty nice, but is a bit.. unhandy :)
06:06.41roxvillehehe
06:07.20DetoxWizard and roxville question ,,, need to set up a server for a non profit ,, low usage mainly intranet ,,,, will use egroupware set up fileserver ,, and access via web aslo ,,, any problems you can see by using new beta elive?
06:08.19Wizardbeta
06:08.42Wizardand elive kernel, optimised for desktop usage
06:08.44roxvilleDetox, PrinceAMD and Wizard  are the two new stars on the server heaven... i'm fading in that sense, i'm afraid
06:09.13Detoxyes i know it isfor desktop useage
06:09.32Detoxhave servers running with older elive for a year now very stable never died
06:09.46Wizardand what about performance ?
06:09.59Detoxhmmm hard to judge
06:10.09Detoxwht would you recommend?
06:10.18PrinceAMDslap in a single core 500mhz n u get a damn good server
06:10.42Detoxboth are dell poweredge servers
06:11.04roxvillethey are GREAT servers... but SUCK as desktops
06:11.21PrinceAMDDetox, ship it to me i'll double the price sell it n give u half the money ;)
06:11.21Detoxif you are suggesting something else .... I will do
06:11.31PrinceAMDmaybe triple it
06:11.36Wizardoh my fsking god!
06:11.41Detoxnice , but my boss wouold become testy over that
06:11.53Wizardyou have such hardware and you want to run elive on it?
06:12.00WizardDetox: can i met your boss?
06:12.02Wizard:P
06:12.12PrinceAMDWizard, ease, elive has power in it's core
06:12.16Wizardmaybe he needs an emploee
06:12.16Detoxthe new one will come with redhat on it
06:12.23Wizardah, better
06:12.24PrinceAMDand redhat is old
06:12.40Detoxsuggestions then?
06:13.06Wizardhmm.. almost every OS will do the task
06:13.16roxvillehttp://www.elivecd.org/test3
06:13.20Wizardpersonally i would set up OpenBSD or FreeBSD
06:13.41roxvillemaybe we should add a 4th version...a stripped down, for server stuff
06:13.43Wizardif it comes about linux.. than.. debian probably.. or centos
06:13.57Wizardor arch
06:14.03Detoxdebian was jsut too hard getting java configured
06:14.31Detoxjsut get debian on a pc here at home and cannot get symlink to work
06:14.32roxvilleyeah, wonder why that is such a bitch on debian
06:14.57Wizardlol..
06:15.21Wizardok, never mind :)
06:15.39Wizardbut, Detox, where do you live?
06:15.40DetoxI can stick with Elive gem
06:15.49Detoxnorth carolina usa
06:16.08roxvillejust 3 hours north of where i live
06:16.16roxville:)
06:16.20roxvilleor 2 maybe
06:16.52Wizardhow does it sound.. 2 hours of driving.. gives you ~250-300km..
06:17.03Wizardno, less
06:17.13roxvilleyeah less... 160km
06:17.20Wizardi don't know, i don't drive very often
06:17.52Wizardhmm.. i'm thinking about changing job..
06:18.06Wizardi'm bored with doing the same tasks everyday..
06:18.07roxvillebecome a bus driver?
06:18.15Detoxthe question is i guess ,, is what dows debian.org use on their servers?
06:18.24Detoxnot freeebsd
06:18.27Detoxdebian
06:18.30roxvillelol Detox
06:19.02Wizardno, i was thinking about lookin for somthing which would require me to use all my skills
06:19.02Detoxif they can run debian ona moster server(s) ,, I s houdl be able to run a debian on my little 100+ users
06:20.08Detoxdid ya see ubuntu is getting in on the enlightenment fun?
06:20.29Wizard:)
06:20.35Wizardyes, interesting thing
06:22.55roxvilleDetox,  the old elive kernel couldn't handle the scsi drives on my poweredge
06:23.09roxvilleso use 0.6 or higher
06:23.43Detoxthe probglem I had initially was with the 2.6.17 kernel it did not polay with hte Perc/5 controller
06:23.48roxvilleDetox,  you mean geubuntu?
06:23.53Detoxso when elive begain suing 2.6.18
06:23.56Detoxit ran great
06:24.01Detoxyes
06:24.13roxvilleyeah, we'll see
06:24.27Detoxnow the kernel is up to 23? so Elive should run great on it
06:24.46Detoxrealizing it is optimized for desktop usage ,,,,
06:24.50roxvillemore interesting, imo, is that linux mint... THE ubuntu derivative, are thinking about switching to debian, lol
06:25.24Detoxdell only supports redhat and suse
06:25.32PrinceAMDdebian is the way tto go if u dnt know
06:25.40Wizardwho cares about support?
06:25.42Wizardlinux = linux
06:25.44Detoxbut with a wink and a nod ,, the willassist with debian
06:26.00Detoxperc drivers
06:26.07PrinceAMDyeah ock support lets remove this channel now
06:26.46Detoxdebian is good for me
06:26.56Detoxelive is based on debian and rocks
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06:27.49Detoxi am ignorant abotu "optimizing" so could you explain the difference between a server based linux and desktop one?
06:27.49roxvilleDetox,  don't be discouraged by Wizard ... he does that all the time
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06:28.21roxvillea wiz with an attitude...
06:28.22BASTARDhello there
06:28.26WizardDetox: i/o, memory schedlures, smp options, preemtion mode..
06:28.33DetoxI've been here long enuf to be thick skinned and willing to head / listen to those who have the real brains
06:28.36Wizardpreemption..
06:28.56BASTARDcan anyone help a noob out?
06:29.01roxvillehi BASTARD ... cool nick :)
06:29.02Wizardsure
06:29.08Detoxisnt debian built for server use?
06:29.09BASTARDthanks
06:29.10Detoxsure
06:29.19BASTARDI cant get elive installed via PCMCIA CDROM
06:29.38BASTARDlive CD wont run after selecting the boot options
06:29.41roxvilleguys i gotta hit the sack
06:29.47Detoxme too
06:29.49roxvilleseeya tomorrow some time :)
06:29.53Detoxthaks so much for the chat guys
06:30.16Detoxand we hug you roxville
06:30.22roxville:)
06:30.34Detoxnite all
06:30.41BASTARDlater detox
06:30.58Wizardhmm
06:31.12WizardBASTARD: so it boots correctly, right?
06:31.25BASTARDjust to the boot menu
06:31.43Wizardhmm.. strange, do you see any error messages?
06:32.14BASTARDhang on, I'll try now
06:33.35BASTARDI get the busybox error
06:34.11BASTARD/bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off (initramfs)
06:34.40Wizardhmm, try to boot that cd on other machine, maybe it's corrupted
06:35.08BASTARDI did get it to work on another machine
06:35.14BASTARDBTW, this is 1.0
06:35.30BASTARDanyway the latest version might work?  Where do I get it?
06:35.40Wizardelivecd.org
06:35.49Wizardbut it's not a problem with pcmcia cdrom
06:35.59Wizardi think..
06:36.02BASTARDdonate again?
06:36.11Wizardno..
06:36.16BASTARDwell the thing is all my distros arent booting with this CDROM
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06:36.17BASTARDlol
06:36.23Wizardyou can get development version
06:36.33Wizardactually 1.0 is latest stable, iirc
06:38.41BASTARDI see
06:39.02BASTARDanyway, this busy box error happens on all my live cd's in this laptop
06:39.08BASTARDworks on other machines
06:39.15BASTARDmaybe a bad drive?
06:39.48Wizardhmm..
06:39.57Wizardreall, on all livecds?
06:40.04Wizardreally*
06:40.16BASTARDyeah
06:40.19Wizard:)
06:40.28BASTARDI got the latest ubuntu working using the "alternate CD"
06:40.55Wizardwait.. i haven't set up livecd for ages..
06:41.02BASTARDbut I've been able to install Ubuntu 6.10 and 7.04 no problems back in the day
06:41.30Wizardi can't recall what was initramfs :/
06:42.07Wizardi think you should fill a bug report
06:42.21keyraWizard: http://bugs.elivecd.org
06:42.26BASTARDalright, I think I'll do that
06:42.49BASTARDBTW
06:42.51BASTARDone more thing
06:43.07BASTARDdoes elive have some sort of power management?
06:43.16BASTARDlike for laptops? suspend?
06:43.28Wizardyeah, like all linux distros
06:43.38BASTARDsweet
06:43.57Wizardbut..
06:44.07BASTARDwhat about network shares?
06:44.15BASTARDnot sure what it's called
06:44.22Wizardsome things may require manual setup (like suspend to disk)
06:44.42BASTARDI have a shortcut to my ftp on ubuntu and open it up in a window
06:44.46Wizardelive supports sharing through smb (samba) and nfs
06:45.18Wizardhmm.. you can use gftp and it's bookmarks
06:45.37Wizardvery handy, indeed
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06:52.47BASTARDanyway to install from iso instead of burning the CD?
06:56.24Wizardhmm.. i've never tried something like this
06:56.53Wizardi think it's possible, but getting it to work might be alot of work
07:00.04ciphernautBASTARD, yes if you are working with xen or possibly qemu
07:00.19PrinceAMDBASTARD, yeah i did it before
07:01.10PrinceAMDu need to mount the iso and the squashfs the cp it to / then make grub boot n ur finish ;)
07:02.05PrinceAMDu might not get features that the installer provide
07:02.27PrinceAMDur going to also have to make fstab
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12:44.17wasynyt_macgood day people
12:51.59chi11yg'day
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13:03.33SuperpeZhola
13:03.48keyraSuperpeZ: que tal ?
13:04.01SuperpeZbien keyra :)
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14:22.53keyzhi
14:30.20assasukassehi everyone
14:30.24assasukassesomeone can read german?
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15:19.08wasynytgood afternoon people
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15:42.23wasynytassasukasse, i can read a little.. why ?
15:42.48assasukassewasynyt: what do u think of this http://cgi.ebay.it/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330201587804&_trksid=p3907.m32&_trkparms=tab%3DWatching
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15:46.42wasynytati x800 graphics card
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15:47.16wasynytprobably quite good card for agp
15:47.18wasynyt:D
15:47.34wasynytif drivers happen to work
15:47.57iKevinehlo
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15:48.08wasynytgood afternoon iKevin
15:48.29iKevinhi wasynyt
15:48.33iKevinall good?
15:49.46wasynytyeah
15:49.46wasynytand you ?
15:49.56wasynytjust finished watching fearless (kungfu movie)
15:50.39iKevini'm great thx, just madwifi who make me crazy !
15:50.44wasynytheh
15:53.16assasukassewasynyt: but it says something is wrong with the card
15:54.18wasynythmm
15:58.04wasynytwell it says it had problems on the mentioned system, in form of bad picture (grafikfehler) .. and that it is most likely broken
15:59.34wasynytbut i see no reason why you should get this one
16:00.17wasynytthere are higher reanking x800 cards on sale.. xt and pro with on around 2-3 times the price
16:01.08assasukasseyup
16:01.13assasukassei will keep looking
16:01.25assasukassethis is perfect
16:01.26assasukassehttp://cgi.ebay.it/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=230208185146&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=013
16:01.59wasynytdepends on usage
16:02.13wasynythttp://cgi.ebay.it/TDC-ATI-RADEON-X800xt-X800-xt-256MB-256-MB-AGP-8x-VIVO_W0QQitemZ230209015679QQihZ013QQcategoryZ67864QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
16:02.17wasynytthis might be good too
16:03.38assasukassewasynyt: what about the price
16:04.03wasynytwell if you search cheap that one you had is the clear winner
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16:06.15assasukassewasynyt: i have a bad tnt2
16:06.19assasukasseis toooo old
16:06.22wasynytheh
16:06.24wasynyt:D
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16:10.52wasynytyou dont know anyone who could give/sell you some old card
16:34.22iKevinanyone use ipv6?
16:37.31wasynyt_machmm
16:37.48wasynyt_macnot sure.. never had to play with those
16:38.38wasynyt_mac:P
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16:43.09iKevinit's a bag game XD
16:43.22wasynyt_macheh
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17:39.43SpamiI'm look for a elive staff member ...
17:39.58wasynyt_macthere is only one i know of
17:40.00wasynyt_macthana
17:42.14Spami...
17:42.21wasynyt_mac?
17:42.44Spamii'm thinking
17:43.17SpamiWizard ?
17:43.51wasynyt_machmm..
17:44.31Spamiwasynyt_mac, I propose to host an image of unstable on my server
17:44.40wasynyt_maci am not sure if he could be called as one
17:44.54wasynyt_macyou have to send thanatermesis email
17:45.09Spamiok
17:45.15Spamiin my todolist
17:46.22wasynyt_machuh
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17:49.13wasynyt_macgood evening Bryanstein
17:49.31Bryansteinhey wasynyt_mac
17:50.12Bryansteinwhois Bryanstein
17:50.39Bryansteinoops lol
17:50.49Bryansteinsad thing my ip address changed
17:51.59assasukassewasynyt_mac: 9600xt is also good?
17:53.25wasynyt_macwill do the trick if you dont need anything fancy
17:53.31wasynyt_macas will 9200
17:58.39assasukassethanks :D
17:58.53assasukassepity the price jumped
17:58.56assasukassearound 30€ already,,
18:00.15wasynyt_macheh
18:01.18wasynyt_macbut really for basic needs (no new fancy3d games) and no vista you should be doing fine with nearly any card.. i have nvidia 6200 agp at the moment
18:01.19wasynyt_mac:D
18:02.00assasukassevista? what is vista? :D
18:02.16wasynyt_macapt vista
18:02.17apti guess vista is just lame. :)
18:09.59keyzvista is not so bad
18:10.09keyzit's a really good advertisment for linux
18:11.32assasukassewell the funny thing about that thing is that ppl try it, and then when they see linux, they feel is FAR too fast :D
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18:11.52assasukasseim sorry i am not clear, but if i try to write the thing name, my pc reboots laughing
18:13.06wasynyt_mac?
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18:20.18greenmanspirithowdy, sorry I have been gone, life got in the way
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18:22.53wasynyt_macgood evening greenmanspirit and roxville
18:23.05greenmanspirithowdy
18:23.44roxvillehey wasynyt :)
18:24.01wasynyt_mac:D
18:25.49greenmanspirithey roxville, long time
18:26.51wasynyt_machow are you doing
18:27.59greenmanspiritI'm good
18:28.03Spamihi rookmoot__
18:28.06Spamiheu roxville
18:30.26roxvillehi Spami :)
18:30.41roxvillegreenmanspirit,  hey, i'm good thx :) how are you?
18:31.19Spamigo to mail Thanatermesis
18:31.20roxvilleyou joined the amish yet?
18:31.46greenmanspiritI'm fine, getting ready to reinstall elive, been hoping distros in an attempt to figure out a problem
18:32.22roxvillecool
18:32.37roxvilledid you get it figured out?
18:33.02getmoep
18:33.03get:D
18:33.07roxvillelol
18:33.11greenmanspirityeah, its an alsa issue not a distro issue
18:33.24roxvilleok
18:33.55roxvillei'm hoping thana will start showing interest in pulse audio
18:34.16roxvilleand he will... he likes sound stuff
18:34.22greenmanspiritcool
18:34.31wasynyt_mac:P
18:34.43roxvillebut right now he's writing his own initramfs... which is a HUGE project... i think
18:34.58greenmanspiritwow, why is he doing that?
18:35.01wasynyt_machmm
18:35.15roxvilleit's the base on which a distro lays
18:35.26roxvillebecause...
18:35.31roxvillebecause
18:35.35roxville:D
18:35.48wasynyt_mache feels like doing it
18:35.52wasynyt_mac?
18:35.53roxvillehe feels that the ones he has used so far, are inferior
18:36.30roxvilleto make an elive specific one could have good effects on performance etc
18:37.28greenmanspiritthats one of the great things about opensource, if you think what is out there sucks, you can make your own
18:42.24roxvillehehe yeah
18:42.38roxvilleit may... take him a while, though
18:44.38greenmanspiritwell if it does boost performance then it will be worth the wait
18:45.00roxvilleit could improve a number of things
18:45.17roxvillewhich most of them.... boils down to overall performance
18:45.40greenmanspirityeah
18:46.47wasynyt_macand that is somithing that thana likes :D
18:47.01greenmanspiritthe more stuff like that he ends up doing whats the likelihood he will move away from being based on debian
18:48.56wasynyt_machmm
18:49.00wasynyt_macdunno about that
18:49.11roxvilleoh no
18:49.17roxvillethana LOVES debian
18:49.23greenmanspiritlol
18:49.31wasynyt_macmaintaining all software packages himself is impossible
18:49.32greenmanspiriti'm a debian fan also
18:49.50roxvillewhat he does will most likely ALWAYS be debian compatiable
18:50.51greenmanspiritmethinks i need to get to know thana better
18:51.42roxville:)
18:52.17wasynyt_macheh
18:55.12greenmanspirithey i was wondering, is the dev version of elive stable enough for an every day home computer?
18:55.52roxvillehmmm i think so... or close to it...
18:55.54wasynyt_machmm it might just be
18:56.03roxville:)
18:58.24greenmanspiriti was asking since i'm going to be reinstalling elive tonight and was wondering which version to use
18:59.31wasynyt_macwell you should try dev and if that wont do the trick use stable
18:59.34roxvilleif i was to reinstall... i would use the dev \
18:59.47roxvilleyeah, what wasynyt  said
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19:03.47greenmanspirithmm, ok I will probably do that and then find a nice dark theme for it.
19:06.57wasynyt_macgood night people
19:11.26greenmanspiritwow, xchat calls you stupid if you try and run it as root
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19:23.11roxville<greenmanspirit> wow, xchat calls you stupid if you try and run it as root
19:23.14roxvillegood!
19:23.19roxville:D
19:23.26greenmanspiritlol
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19:23.56Elive_user7hey
19:24.00greenmanspiritlooks like it only does it the first time
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19:24.10Elive_user7hello\
19:24.15Elive_user7i come in peace
19:24.46greenmanspiritno taking us to our leader
19:25.03RudiKuinhi, Charles Dickens' Nicholas Nickelby is coming up soon on Dutc TV in a few minutes, but anything happened here?
19:25.16keyraRudiKuin: que tal ?
19:25.28RudiKuinbuena keyra
19:26.04RudiKuinque tal keyra ?
19:26.17keyraRudiKuin: muy bien, y tu ?
19:26.32RudiKuinmuy bien! gracias
19:27.13greenmanspiriti feel so out of the loop
19:29.20RudiKuingreenmanspirit, are you living in Ireland anyways?
19:29.33greenmanspiritno, I'm in the US
19:30.48RudiKuinI thought you were a leipreachán hehe
19:31.10greenmanspiritwell i do the druid thing so ireland kind of makes sense
19:31.16RudiKuinthey ought to be a bit green too
19:31.17greenmanspiritjust havent made it there yet
19:32.06RudiKuinbeen there a dozen times; especially the west, you go there, Sahnnon etc is waiting for you!
19:32.26greenmanspiritlol
19:32.52RudiKuinbeen to the Arran Islands too, I love it there...
19:33.56RudiKuinthen book a flight there soon! very soon
19:34.10RudiKuinyou'll love the irish people for sure
19:34.27greenmanspiritcollege owns me financially right now
19:34.46RudiKuinjust make plans after that heheh
19:35.00greenmanspiritoh i will
19:35.57RudiKuinTo get in shape and in tune watch "The Field" before you go there, a bit of drama, but you get the hang of life in the west there
19:36.12RudiKuinin the 19th century, hehe
19:36.46roxvilleok, i gotta go out with the family for a while, bbl
19:37.06greenmanspiritlol, my irish teacher was from the west i'm pretty sure
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19:37.37RudiKuinin europe we get a lot of sequels on these parts around xmas, dunno why...
19:38.07RudiKuinbut again, if you ever plan a holiday go there first
19:38.30RudiKuinespecially with your nick
19:40.01RudiKuintry toicfaidh ar la with your teacher, to check if he's real irish..
19:40.41RudiKuinChuckee Arrrrrr LAw, is how you pronounce it, which means Our Day Will Come
19:40.46greenmanspiritwell if she isnt real i will be amazed
19:41.20RudiKuinhttp://www.google.nl/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FTiocfaidh_%25C3%25A1r_l%25C3%25A1&ei=UC6BR5GXEaWYQ5aPkeIP&usg=AFQjCNFGpfmV232saQeLwU8ykX1dN1KKqw&sig2=-6F530XnxSGa-39yXPGgCA
19:41.35RudiKuincheck it out on Google anyway
19:42.24greenmanspiritah, so she's only true irish if she agrees with reunification?
19:42.47RudiKuinnope that's way past tence here...
19:43.10RudiKuinjust for fun ask her!
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19:43.46greenmanspiritit'll probably be a while till i see her again, i stopped taking irish because it wouldnt fit in my schedule
19:44.27RudiKuinwhereabouts your ancestors come from anyway?
19:44.39Elive_user82http://elivecd.org/invitation
19:44.43greenmanspiritGermany and England from what I have found out
19:45.31RudiKuinGermany, I live in Holland they're our GREATEST neighbours... Heheh
19:45.42RudiKuinAND England
19:46.41greenmanspiritif its any consolation i have been far enough down the line for most of my family to forget our ancestory and it took some work to figure it out
19:48.18RudiKuinno conselation needed, I'm a 3rd generation after the 2nd WW, so NO hard feelings for the Jerries, hehe
19:48.38RudiKuin1967
19:48.44RudiKuinis my year
19:49.42RudiKuinand you?
19:50.38RudiKuinHey, I'm on Lagavulin at the moment, so if I stopped making sence to you, you know why!
19:51.18assasukassehey RudiKuin
19:52.01RudiKuinassasukasse, hi! Happy New Year to Sicily!!!!
19:52.11assasukasseRudiKuin: and to Netherlands!
19:52.13RudiKuinHow are you?
19:52.15keyraRudiKuin: Happy New year to you too :) and also Happy Birthday to Elive (5 years) :D
19:52.36RudiKuinGRAZZI, KEYRA!!!
19:52.44assasukasseRudiKuin: i am fine, but bored, oberated of work, freezing cold on the left side, fucking hot on the right one..
19:52.56assasukasseRudiKuin: is said: grazie
19:53.05RudiKuinscuzzi!
19:53.07RudiKuinhehe
19:53.49assasukassescusi ;)
19:53.49RudiKuinscuzie
19:53.49RudiKuin:LOL
19:53.49assasukasseROTFL
19:53.49assasukassehow is there
19:53.49assasukassehere we have a nice 13°C at the moment
19:54.09RudiKuinwe have about 3 degrees centigrade, so not too cold
19:54.17RudiKuinfor Holland
19:54.17assasukassewow
19:54.19Chi11yassasukasse: lol here it is way below 0 C (:
19:54.21assasukasse10°C difference
19:54.38Chi11yI live in sweden
19:54.44Chi11ysnow and shit outside :/
19:54.56RudiKuinbummer Chilly
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19:55.06assasukasseChi11y: great no :D
19:55.10RudiKuingod aften Chilly btw
19:55.20assasukasseu can get a nice grawlax over there
19:55.24Chi11yhello :)
19:55.29Chi11yassasukasse: heh :P
19:55.45RudiKuingrawlax, is that salomon?
19:56.20assasukasseyep
19:56.29assasukassesalted salmon
19:56.41greenmanspiritRudiKuin: sorry I ran off, i don't understand girls...
19:56.51assasukassegreenmanspirit: are u a girl?
19:57.02RudiKuinLOVE IT!!! Ate about 3 sandwitches today WITH Salmon!!!
19:57.12assasukasse:)
19:57.14assasukassei want tooooo
19:57.22RudiKuingreenmanspirit, :?
19:57.24assasukassehere i was able to found only smoked trout
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19:58.03greenmanspiriti'm not a girl, but one started angering me so thats why i ran off
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19:58.15RudiKuinassasukasse, have you seen the latest material on the Logo?
19:58.33RudiKuinI know I haven't...
19:58.35assasukassewell greenmanspirit how do u want to understand them...i am not a cat so i don't understand my cat..u are not a girl so u dun understand girls...easy no?
19:58.44assasukasseRudiKuin: remember me
19:58.49assasukassei alwayus read all ur mails :D
19:58.57RudiKuin;-)
19:59.01assasukassebut at the moment i have ASME formulas dancing in my brain
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19:59.16RudiKuinBuenas noches egrub
19:59.32RudiKuinassasukasse, ASME?
19:59.36assasukasseyep
19:59.38assasukasseASME..
19:59.47assasukassethose stuffs for pressure vessels..
20:00.09RudiKuin:?
20:00.35RudiKuinWell, I have Lagavulin running around MY brains hehe
20:00.39greenmanspiritassasukasse, every girl i have dated and the one i was just flirting with ALL have the habit of going above and beyond the call of duty to stay friendly with their ex's that screwed them over again and again
20:00.41assasukasseRudiKuin: is just my last exams..
20:01.06assasukassegreenmanspirit: u must be young to talk like this i guess
20:01.23assasukassesoon u will grow a corn on that place of the brain, and it won't matter anymore..
20:01.28assasukassesince u won't understand them
20:01.37assasukasseand u won't even care about understanding :D
20:02.05greenmanspiritassasukasse, young? should I have given up understanding by now? lol
20:02.39RudiKuinAt 40 I gave up trying ... hehe
20:03.20greenmanspiritwell I'm 20 so i guess..yeah
20:03.30RudiKuinLOL
20:03.49assasukassegreenmanspirit: when u were young, did u believe fire burns untiul u touched with ur bare hand? no..so the same wth girls.
20:04.05RudiKuinhi, Charles Dickens' Nicholas Nickelby has started, I'm off! Bye
20:04.05greenmanspiritic ic
20:04.09greenmanspiritbye
20:04.14keyraRudiKuin: que tal ?
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20:04.43RudiKuintoicfaidh ar la
20:05.08assasukasseRudiKuin: ?
20:05.33RudiKuinChuckee Arrrrrr LAw, is how you pronounce it, which means Our Day Will Come
20:05.37RudiKuin;-)
20:05.47greenmanspiriti wonder what is its about Charles Dicken's Nicholas Nickelby that sets off keyra
20:06.01keyragreenmanspirit: hola
20:06.10greenmanspiritsee ^
20:06.11greenmanspiritlol
20:06.14RudiKuinShe has the hots for him hehe
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20:09.02greenmanspirithmmmm, possibly
20:09.13RudiKuinkeyra, would you know maxima zorriguieta anyways/
20:09.53RudiKuindidn't think so, hehe
20:10.06RudiKuinOur nexxt queen in Holland
20:10.32RudiKuinAND WE'RE F*CKIN' PROUD OF IT
20:10.38RudiKuinLOL
20:10.51greenmanspiritlol
20:11.11assasukassequeen of holland?
20:11.13RudiKuinyou've read about her greenmanspirit
20:11.19RudiKuinyes assasukasse
20:11.50RudiKuinshe's the wife of Guillermo Alessandro
20:12.07RudiKuinOur crown prince
20:12.19RudiKuin:D
20:12.27greenmanspiriti forgot that Holland had a royalty
20:12.37assasukasseRudiKuin: i forgot as well
20:12.44assasukassei tought the queen was called Maria
20:12.45RudiKuinwe didn't in Holland!
20:13.21RudiKuinNope our present queen is Beatrix, our next will be Maxima!
20:14.02RudiKuinFor sure and we're quite proud of this one
20:14.36RudiKuinkeyra, would you know maxima zorriguieta anyways??????
20:14.46RudiKuinNOPE!!!
20:14.50RudiKuinheheh
20:14.58greenmanspiritlol
20:15.01RudiKuinDer Ja Vue
20:15.27RudiKuinSHE IS a BEAUTY!
20:15.57assasukasseRudiKuin: send pi
20:16.00assasukassex
20:18.04RudiKuinfreggles and all: http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:dtLidfctgzzhtM:http://www.senmagazine.com/_uploads/editions/supergirlpag1_2.jpg
20:19.20RudiKuincompared to: http://www.kb.nl/dossiers/beatrix/alsstaatshoofd/mens.jpg
20:19.30RudiKuinour Beatrix, heheheh
20:20.31RudiKuinsupersize Maxima here: http://www.senmagazine.com/_uploads/editions/supergirlpag1_2.jpg
20:22.21RudiKuinassasukasse, greenmanspirit you're still here now? HAHAHAHHA
20:22.48greenmanspirittalking to a girl asking her my questions, lol
20:22.51RudiKuinbreathless I guess... well I'm 40 that's out difference...
20:23.28greenmanspiritmaxima is cute
20:23.36RudiKuinshe ISSSSSSSSSSS
20:23.40RudiKuinmmmmmmmmmm
20:25.19assasukasseRudiKuin: uhm..
20:25.29RudiKuinAny ways, have you ssen "The Gladiator" once?
20:26.00greenmanspiritthe movie?
20:26.56assasukasseRudiKuin: http://www.kindgirls.com/gal7657/iveta_8374/iveta_8374_1.jpg
20:26.59assasukassethis is good
20:27.17RudiKuinYes, the music is from Djivan Gasparyan, he's playing the 'Duduk" I ordered the CD of his music, I Luvvvvvvvv it...
20:27.53RudiKuinassasukasse, she in't Evita for sure, LOL
20:28.20RudiKuinEvita Peron lived about 50yrs ago...
20:29.26RudiKuingreenmanspirit, Adam, what's your address, I'll send you an example...
20:29.51greenmanspiritgreenmanspirit@gmail.com
20:30.50RudiKuinwould you want such an example? It could be boring to someone your age?
20:33.31greenmanspiritwhat kind of music is it?
20:35.36RudiKuinit is Armenian, used in The Gladiator, it is a kind of flute/clarinette.
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20:36.05RudiKuinAnd on its way already, about 3.2 Mb's you'll be able to hear it soon...
20:37.05greenmanspiritwell i like instrumental music like that
20:38.17RudiKuinhmmmm, maybe you'll love it then?!?
20:39.23greenmanspiritlol
20:39.34greenmanspiriti'm kind of odd when it comes to tastes for people my age
20:39.38greenmanspiritlike i like going to the opera
20:40.10assasukassehttp://hiskey.us/Handler.ashx?PhotoID=88&Size=L
20:40.24keyraassasukasse: http://wiki.elivecd.org/index.php?title=Enlightenment_HotKeys
20:41.08greenmanspiritRudiKuin, this is nice
20:41.24RudiKuingreenmanspirit, you have it already?
20:41.54RudiKuinIt is the smallest MP3 i have of this album...
20:42.36greenmanspirityeah, the tubes were clean today i guess
20:43.27RudiKuinI can upload the CD through FTP if you like?
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20:46.42RudiKuingreenmanspirit, :/
20:46.49RudiKuin:?
20:47.11greenmanspiriteh, if you paid for it i would feel bad pulling it from yo
20:47.12greenmanspirityou*
20:49.11RudiKuinnot a problem, Buma Stemra is asking WAY TOO MUCH for a CD, I paid 17 euro, but Djivan Gasparyan gets a
20:49.45RudiKuinabout 5 euros anyways
20:50.01RudiKuinso I'm happy to share it wtih anyone
20:50.01RudiKuinwith*
20:51.20RudiKuinwell, still uploading the next 30 minutes, but here is the address if you like to check it:
20:52.16RudiKuinhttp://webftp.nerocvgm.nl/Ruud_Kuin/
20:52.40RudiKuinso please check it in half an hour, then you'll have the material...
20:53.34greenmanspiritcool
20:53.35greenmanspiritthanks
20:53.49RudiKuinanyone who's here feel free to try, it's here for the next 5 days
20:54.13RudiKuinno worries greenmanspirit
20:54.30greenmanspiritlooks like i gotta make me an account
20:54.50RudiKuinnot on MY ftp! hehe
20:55.35greenmanspiritthat link you sent me directed me to a login page
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20:56.18RudiKuinokay get ready
20:56.18RudiKuinready???
20:56.25aleijyes
20:56.33aleijfor what?
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20:56.55RudiKuinUsername: Klant-NerocVGM
20:57.19RudiKuinPassword: NerocVGM
20:57.26RudiKuinEXACT CAPITALS etc
20:57.56greenmanspirityay for copy and paste
20:58.10keyragreenmanspirit: for copy and paste any text, just highlight it with the mouse, and paste with the middle button of the mouse, if you don't have a middle button, press left and right buttons at the same time
20:58.16aleijoke, i just installed elive on a macbook and over an ubuntu partition, now when i try to boot i see, after i make the choice in refit, a grub menu with only one option: test memory ram :S
20:58.34greenmanspiritthanks keya, you are just sooooo knowledgable
20:58.37aleijwhat went wrong or ideas on how to fix it?
20:58.39RudiKuinGo for my folder Ruud_Kuin, no other entires allowed
20:58.39RudiKuinGo for my folder Ruud_Kuin, no other entries allowed
20:59.02greenmanspiritdont worry, i'm not nosey
20:59.11RudiKuinaleij, are you able to get to menu.lst anyways?
20:59.16aleijkeyra: thats a nice trick
20:59.29aleijRudiKuin: is a macbook
20:59.38aleijwere ferit is under control
20:59.41aleijrefit
21:00.01RudiKuinmmmmmmmmm, :?
21:00.09aleijyes
21:00.23aleiji can try to intall again
21:00.52aleijthis time i will unchek the write to mbr
21:00.57aleijoption
21:01.36RudiKuinif you get menu.lst going through X you'd be able to add a few lines of course
21:01.37RudiKuinmbr in OSX?
21:01.39aleijbut since i couldnt find info about this in the forums i thought someone here had experience
21:02.03aleijRudiKuin: yes, you have that option
21:02.22aleijim confused it its needed or not on the macbooks
21:02.31aleijto write or not to write the mbr
21:02.36aleijthat is the question!
21:02.45aleij(on the macbooks)
21:03.17RudiKuinmbr is a surprise to me especially when it's a MAC book
21:04.19RudiKuinbut when you cn reinstall try to do the other option... Is that /home?
21:05.01RudiKuinare you able to run Elive Live CD before install? Try the Forum before installing again..
21:06.28RudiKuinsection MAC book of course
21:07.24RudiKuinaleij, you still here?
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21:09.10aleijsi
21:09.15RudiKuinaleij, if you're not too sure how to ask anyways in English wait around for Alander, he's from Germay and knows his way ariound Elive very much!!!
21:09.16RudiKuinAlexander is his name
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21:09.52RudiKuinsi, I'm dutch, I know my languages, not too good at German that much
21:09.56aleijtx RudiKuin
21:10.06aleiji think i can manage with my english
21:10.12RudiKuinGerne gemacht!
21:10.18RudiKuinHaha
21:10.20aleiji did ran the elivecd
21:10.25aleiji was impressed btw
21:10.39aleijit can of forces me back into debian
21:10.40RudiKuinyes, me too
21:11.11RudiKuindebian is the best for most of us
21:11.22aleijthats the part im not to happy about, i feel limited by the package lists and like to compile stuff
21:11.57aleijim not to happy about debian, is what my poor english tried to say
21:12.20RudiKuincompiling is gibberish to me, did that once or twice, never had a result
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21:16.39RudiKuinis that because of the diff between sid or etch? aleij
21:16.57aleijno no in general
21:17.10aleijubuntu/debian an all the binaries
21:17.22RudiKuinI know not too much about hacking Linux indeed
21:17.44wasynyt_machmm
21:17.48RudiKuinI'm only a graphics designer
21:17.52wasynyt_macnice
21:17.53wasynyt_mac:D
21:18.17RudiKuinwasynyt, how are you in Finland?
21:18.25RudiKuinhappy New Year
21:18.26wasynyt_macyeah
21:18.40wasynyt_macand we have no snow where i live
21:18.55aleijRudiKuin: i did the art school so that puts us more or less in the same field
21:18.59RudiKuinIf you're a MAC user can u help aleij ? Please?
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21:19.34RudiKuinaleij, good do you use Graphics apps a lot/
21:19.57aleijwell more video related these days
21:19.58wasynyt_machmm i have not installed linux on my mac
21:20.02wasynyt_macso :&
21:20.14RudiKuinIf you're a MAC user can u help aleij ? Please? wasynyt
21:20.32wasynyt_machmm
21:20.40wasynyt_macwhat is the issue here then
21:20.53RudiKuinme neither on my Mac Mini
21:21.06RudiKuinaleij, ask your thing
21:21.13wasynyt_macmac minis are nice
21:21.57RudiKuinyes they are
21:21.57RudiKuinaleij, still here?
21:22.06wasynyt_mac;D
21:23.14RudiKuinno he's good
21:23.24wasynyt_mac?
21:23.25RudiKuinhe's swiss
21:23.25RudiKuinthus good!
21:23.39wasynyt_macheh
21:23.51aleijim not swiss
21:23.55aleijmy ip is swiss
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21:24.11aleijso the thing is
21:24.16RudiKuin;-)
21:24.16RudiKuinyou're not?
21:24.18aleijon a macbook
21:24.40RudiKuinAd tell us!
21:24.47wasynyt_macgood late evening Theoden
21:24.52aleijdo i need to tick ON the write to the mbr option form the installeR?
21:25.12wasynyt_machmm
21:25.17Theodenhey.  :-)
21:25.18wasynyt_maci would say yes
21:25.19RudiKuinwasynyt, your call indeed
21:25.53wasynyt_macas the macs boot loader will most likely not care about other os's
21:26.13RudiKuinaleij, where are you from anyways then?
21:27.03aleiji said yes and now when i try to boot i see only the grub option Test Ram Memory
21:27.26aleijRudiKuin: im from one antipode to switzerland
21:27.39RudiKuinNZ?
21:27.40wasynyt_mac:/
21:27.50aleijnot a geographical
21:28.10RudiKuintell me Plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
21:28.20aleijcontinue guessing
21:28.30aleiji will say hot or cold
21:28.34RudiKuinUS?
21:28.45aleijno please
21:28.47aleijthe next
21:28.55RudiKuinAus
21:28.56wasynyt_machmm did the elive install go without a problem
21:29.05aleijeys
21:29.06aleijyes
21:29.11aleijit installed ok
21:29.29RudiKuinaustralia or austrich
21:29.47aleijso im not sure what file to change, i guess i will reinstall withouth the write to grub option
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21:30.29wasynyt_machmm do you still have macos there ?
21:30.49RudiKuinaustralia or austrich?????
21:31.14RudiKuinBitte or please?
21:31.18aleijmac os is here running
21:31.25aleijpor favor RudiKuin
21:31.37RudiKuin:/
21:31.42RudiKuin:?
21:31.45aleijyou are frozen cold RudiKuin
21:31.51wasynyt_machmm so you can boot that machine to macos but not to linux ?
21:31.57aleijyes
21:32.18aleiji was booting to ubuntu, to that same partition i installed elive
21:32.38wasynyt_macok then i would just do another install as you said
21:32.43aleiji mean i have a setup for dual boot
21:32.50RudiKuinso you know where menu.lst is?
21:33.08aleijnormally is in /boot/grub/
21:33.15RudiKuinit is
21:33.28RudiKuinplzzzzzzzz your geo
21:33.50aleijif switzerland is rich
21:34.02aleijif switzerland is not a country in war
21:34.28RudiKuin:? too many a riddle
21:34.30aleijwhat could be a very insecure country
21:34.42RudiKuinSierra Leone
21:34.46RudiKuinhehe
21:35.34RudiKuinaleij, just tell me
21:35.39RudiKuinplzzzzzzzzz
21:35.59aleijei you are funny
21:36.06aleiji think i wont tell you
21:36.51RudiKuinI'm from Holland having no idea where anyone else lives, mmmmmmmmmmmm bummer
21:37.07RudiKuinbye then
21:37.33aleijRudiKuin: spanish is not the language they speak in sierra leona
21:39.08RudiKuinbueno, gracias, benos noches
21:41.00wasynyt_macaleij: you are making RudiKuin suffer
21:41.03wasynyt_mac:D
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21:45.32RudiKuinBonne soir BoNz_[R]
21:45.50RudiKuinToichfoidh ar la to you
21:46.46BoNz_[R]salut RudiKuin
21:46.49BoNz_[R]ca va bien ?
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21:47.09RudiKuinmerci, et tu?
21:48.41RudiKuinOn my 4th Lagavulin at the moment, hehe
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21:50.02RudiKuin<wasynyt_mac> aleij: you are making RudiKuin suffer> indeed wasynyt have you an idea?
21:50.47RudiKuinBoNz_[R], had a nice new years eve?
21:51.11wasynyt_macnah not that much... if spanish speaking then either from spanish/portucal or middle/south america
21:54.05BoNz_[R]RudiKuin, everything was fine here thanks u
21:54.19BoNz_[R]it was very quite you know family
21:54.35BoNz_[R]what is Laguvalin ?
21:55.24RudiKuinIt is a whisky from Islay
21:56.32RudiKuinpeaty, iodine and being cask strength VERY HEAVY!!!!
21:56.56RudiKuin57,7 pct
21:56.59RudiKuinhhhhh
21:57.17wasynyt_mac?
21:57.33wasynyt_macsounds good
21:57.33greenmanspiritRudiKuin, wooot, more music for my car
21:57.55RudiKuingreenmanspirit, happy you like it1
21:58.09RudiKuinwasynyt, you should try!
21:58.40wasynyt_maci wonder if i can get that stuff from finland
21:58.44RudiKuinlagavulin laphroaig ardbeg are the greatest whiskies arounf
21:59.06aleijcolombia
21:59.06greenmanspiritRudiKuin, just to make sure, there are 11 songs right
21:59.13RudiKuinwasynyt, please uplaod the same folder you downloaded from
21:59.24aleijor locombia
21:59.37RudiKuinwasynyt, whiskies yes!
21:59.54aleijneed to reboot
21:59.56aleijltrz
22:00.01RudiKuingreenmanspirit, yes 11 in total!
22:00.15greenmanspiritwooot i didn't mess anything up
22:00.44RudiKuinbut I did, getting a bit drunk here hehe
22:00.55wasynyt_machuh... what am i uploading/downloading
22:00.56RudiKuinmixed up my replies LOL
22:01.37RudiKuingreenmanspirit, was uploading downloading and wasynyt was talking whiskies, hehe
22:02.16greenmanspiriti will be back, my roommate needs picked up from the bus station
22:02.26RudiKuinwasynyt, if you get to Holland buy Lagavulin 12 years, 57,7 percent...
22:02.34RudiKuingreenmanspirit, bye
22:02.44wasynyt_machmm i think i really should
22:03.08RudiKuinwasynyt, caskstrength is a greta deal of getting drunk hahaha
22:03.20RudiKuingreat*
22:03.39RudiKuinsore throat for sure
22:04.35wasynyt_macnah for me there is not that much need for extra strenght as i am quite light weight :P
22:04.49RudiKuinLOL
22:04.59BoNz_[R]RudiKuin, I drink Rhum personnally ;)
22:05.07BoNz_[R]never a drop of whiskey
22:05.25BoNz_[R]and it is hard to get good rhum here
22:05.30BoNz_[R]so I import it
22:05.48BoNz_[R]did you go to saint marteen , RudiKuin  ?
22:05.56wasynyt_macyou import your self ?
22:06.12RudiKuinyou should try some Bushmills BoNz_[R]
22:06.34RudiKuinwasynyt, no they're all available in Holland
22:06.55RudiKuinSaint Marteen? BoNz_[R] ???
22:07.21BoNz_[R]no RudiKuin
22:07.25BoNz_[R]no whiskey
22:07.26BoNz_[R]lol
22:07.44wasynyt_machmm why not
22:07.50RudiKuinJoseph Guy for you then BoNz_[R] ?
22:07.53wasynyt_macbad memoris or lack of those ?
22:07.53BoNz_[R]RudiKuin, st Marteen
22:08.27wasynyt_maci think i will fall sleep again
22:08.32wasynyt_macsee you later people
22:08.42BoNz_[R]i am not a whiskey man, I love rhum
22:08.51BoNz_[R]there is no explanation really
22:08.57RudiKuinwasynyt, we even have whisky nosing and tasings in Holland
22:09.08BoNz_[R]but I never been drunk with it, because I dont drink it lol
22:09.18RudiKuinBoNz_[R], it's because it's sweeter
22:09.32RudiKuinhmmmmm?
22:09.54BoNz_[R]I import my rhum from france, from french indies island, in carribean, near saint marteen
22:09.59RudiKuinBoNz_[R], ask your GF for some whiskey
22:10.24RudiKuinSint Maarten is the Dutch name, hehe
22:10.35BoNz_[R]RudiKuin, ya her brother is good for irish whiskey, i drink one a year maybe
22:10.57BoNz_[R]sint sorry, ich spreche nicht netherlandisch
22:11.18BoNz_[R]I went to an island beside Sint Marteen before
22:11.25BoNz_[R]it is amazing place there
22:11.37BoNz_[R]scuba diving
22:11.50BoNz_[R]memories for life
22:12.19RudiKuinScuba is cool, been a CMAS-diver for 10 years now
22:12.58RudiKuinBut if you want to try a real Irish one try middleton! ask your in-laws!
22:13.08RudiKuinHey I'm off now, bye
22:13.11BoNz_[R]lol
22:13.19BoNz_[R]ok enjoy your drink
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22:13.22BoNz_[R]bye rudi
22:13.33RudiKuinau revoir
22:14.24BoNz_[R]a bientot
22:15.11RudiKuingreenmanspirit, do you have all songs from Djivan now?
22:16.00RudiKuinIf anyone likes to download, the songs are on for 5 days to go
22:16.16RudiKuincheck the site
22:18.34RudiKuin<PROTECTED>
22:18.46RudiKuin<PROTECTED>
22:19.01RudiKuinPassword: NerocVGM
22:19.14RudiKuinEXACT CAPITALS etc
22:19.49RudiKuinand you'll be able to ear some Armenian Duduk
22:19.53RudiKuinbye
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