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01:38.18Wizardkeyra: eltrans
01:38.32keyraWizard: eltrans is the Elive translator tool, a very easy and guided way to made translations for Elive (and e17 too), it sends automatically your translations, you can download it from http://repository.elive-systems.com/pool/main/e/eltrans/ , ask me about poedit before to use eltrans
01:39.04Wizardkeyra: poedit
01:39.18keyraWizard: if you want to use eltrans (in gem), install first poedit and do this configuration: File -> preferences -> disable the 'compile .mo files' option.  And also go to the View tab and unselect both options about 'show comments'
01:39.45Wizardheh
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03:18.04Gnaunited_MainHola, como estas?
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03:47.00fooshhello all
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06:13.39AlexAnteMachinahello and good morning!
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07:36.32AlexAnteMachinahey folks!
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07:44.21wasynytgood morning people
07:44.34n0madhi/bye
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08:06.01AlexAnteMachinahey wasynyt !
08:35.14kevin__bonjour
08:42.45wasynythow are you doing AlexAnteMachina
08:42.57AlexAnteMachinafien
08:43.12AlexAnteMachinano, not really.
08:43.17AlexAnteMachinaI got a cold
08:44.23AlexAnteMachinathat's really exhausting.
08:44.41AlexAnteMachinaI just decided not to go to work today.
08:44.55AlexAnteMachinaAnd tomorrow, too.
08:48.09wasynytk
08:48.12wasynyttoo bad
08:48.13wasynyt:/
08:48.24AlexAnteMachinanot going to work isnt that bad.
08:48.34wasynytbut having a cold is
08:48.43wasynytat least i dont like it
08:49.01AlexAnteMachinasure, but everything negative has positive aspects, too.
08:49.10wasynyttrue
08:50.18AlexAnteMachinaYou know, it hit me really hard. When walking trough the woods with my dogs this morning I had to cough that hard, that it made me puke!
08:50.37AlexAnteMachinaDammit! Half my breakfast now lies in the woods!
08:50.40AlexAnteMachinaWhat a waste!
08:52.14wasynytheh
08:52.27wasynytthat reminds me that i should go and get something to ear
08:52.30wasynyt*eat
08:54.47AlexAnteMachinahey, come to the woods! There should be some breakfast left!
08:54.53AlexAnteMachina;)
08:57.35wasynyt:P
08:57.50wasynytthats quite a long trip for a mere breakfast
08:58.19AlexAnteMachinawhat? how dare you calling MY fucking breakfast a MERE BREAKFAST!?!?
08:58.55wasynytwhat makes it special then ?
08:59.06AlexAnteMachinait's even predigested!
08:59.28wasynyti dont like predigested food..
08:59.36AlexAnteMachinalier
08:59.42AlexAnteMachinau never ever tried
08:59.42wasynytperhaps i dont follow the latest trends so closely
08:59.44wasynyt;D
08:59.54AlexAnteMachinayeah.
09:00.49wasynytwell now i have to go and see if i have anything eatable
09:01.16AlexAnteMachinawell, Im sure you will.
09:01.30AlexAnteMachina...if not, remember the woods!
09:02.41wasynyttrue
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09:48.33assasukasseif someone is interested why ubuntu is not reliable...http://assasukasse.wordpress.com/2008/04/27/ubuntu-hardy-the-odissey/
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09:50.28PetoKrausi've got some personal grudge againist apt-based distros
09:50.48PetoKrauswell, even more against RPMbased ones...
09:50.51wasynytheh
09:50.55wasynyti like debian
09:51.12wasynytbut i dont care about the rest apt folk
09:51.28Elive_user8_degood morning
09:51.42PetoKraus:) i liked debian, till apt-get dist-upgrade didn't kill all of my precious configs
09:52.25PetoKrauslike, boot/grub/menu.lst overwritten, eth0 (which is disconnected most of the time) DHCP on startup, and bucketload of other irrelevant scripts...
09:52.53PetoKrausI was so annoyed I went trough the process of configuring Gentoo :P
09:53.19Elive_user8_dei am using kanotix installation, it works very well
09:54.07PetoKraus:) good for you
09:54.26Elive_user8_deis gentoo better? what is your experience?
09:54.37PetoKrauswell gentoo is pain in the arse
09:54.44PetoKraustakes like 3 days to set up
09:55.08PetoKrausbut when you finish, you are the one to blame for bugs, not the system
09:55.22wasynytgotta go
09:55.26PetoKrauscya later
09:55.27wasynytsee you later people
09:55.47Elive_user8_dePetoKraus, thats on any system you set up
09:55.48PetoKrausElive_user8_de: the main point is, you have to compile everything
09:56.12PetoKrausand then you forget to set, e.g., dbus use flag, and you can recompile everything again... :)
09:57.00PetoKrausand nothing just works - you have to set up things like device automounting, suspend :) it's a learning process :P
09:57.02Elive_user8_deneed a hand written checklist
09:57.21PetoKrausyeah
09:58.18PetoKrausthen there are things like, portage goes nuts, because of unknown reason... well, I became more familiar with console in these three days than in 9 months I use GNU/Linux
09:58.46PetoKraus"it's fun" I'd say, but that would make me look extremely nerdy
09:58.50Elive_user8_deshame, i ve compiled a suse, but this was last century or so
10:00.06Elive_user8_dei am using knoppix and its derivates since 2003, but mainly as user
10:01.17PetoKraushmm, i dont really see the difference between all those debian-based distros... I mean, the packaging back-end is the same, the only difference can be the content of the repositories, but Debian Lenny has almost everything I ever needed...
10:01.31keyraPetoKraus: Debian repos are included BY DEFAULT on Elive :), but don't modify the repositories of Elive, that's a ugly thing that broke systems
10:01.57PetoKrausexcept of Elive, ofc, which has E17 as default WM ;)
10:03.24Elive_user8_dei am using elive on a macmini, my prob is a time lag of 2 hours on my machine
10:04.05Elive_user8_deon iMac i find the same time lag.
10:04.27PetoKraustime lag?
10:04.41PetoKrauslike, improper time settings?
10:04.45Elive_user8_detime deviation
10:05.18PetoKrausweird...
10:05.29Elive_user8_dei do not change anything when booting except language to german
10:05.34PetoKrausis your timezone set properly?
10:06.34Elive_user8_deyes. if i run with MacOSX the time is set correctly and it autocorrects by apple time server
10:07.09PetoKrausafaik, Linux is slightly different in managing time compared to windows (dunno about MacOSX)
10:07.15Elive_user8_debut everytime I boot with a linux live I find this 2 hours difference
10:07.32PetoKrausyou are in germany?
10:07.46PetoKrausthat would fit, CEST is GMT+2
10:08.15Elive_user8_dei am also using a dell laptop with win and with linux, there is no difference, all works right
10:09.06PetoKrausyeah, try to look to /etc/conf.d/clock, if you have something like that
10:09.27Elive_user8_deonly the macmini and the imac have this effect, and only if a live linux is booted
10:09.37PetoKrausaha
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10:10.00Elive_user8_dewell, the newest knoppix 5.3.1 seems to have corrected it
10:10.05PetoKrausthat can be improper detection of system time... the thing is, Linux sets bios clock to UTC, by default
10:10.23PetoKrausif your system clock is set by Windows to local time (GMT+2)
10:10.40PetoKrausLinux won't know about it, and assume, it's UTC and add another +2 hours
10:11.21PetoKrausAnd I have no clue how to fix it, especially since it's LiveCD
10:11.53Elive_user8_dei can also boot linux on macosx via parallels virtualisation, there time is correct
10:12.30PetoKrausassasukasse: yeah, that's why I hate Compiz
10:13.47Elive_user8_dewell, it is not a giga problem, running live cd i can live with
10:14.09PetoKrauswhy do you run livecd anyway?
10:15.04Elive_user8_deactually i am running elive1.7 cd on a macmini, an installation is not yet recommended
10:15.17Elive_user8_dei run it only for test use
10:15.35PetoKrausaha
10:15.55PetoKraushad I not been so lazy, I'd install some VM and toy around, but I am lazy
10:16.01PetoKrausoh, yes, i am lazy
10:17.34Elive_user8_deyes i am too... but virtualisation has its special problems
10:18.05Elive_user8_dedid you ever use qemu?
10:19.28PetoKrausyes
10:19.43PetoKrausnot very successfully
10:19.53PetoKrausVMware > Qemu, to be honest.
10:21.26Elive_user8_dei tried qemu started from winxp and carrying knoppix 5.2, but it was too slow
10:22.42Elive_user8_dethen i copied qemu on a memory stick and started winxp->qemu-> dsl  and this works satisfying
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10:34.32assasukassePetoKraus: lol compiz is fine, the problem is that they seem to be unable to package stuffs ! :D
10:34.46keyraassasukasse: xgl needs compiz WM, E is not compiz WM, the WM of E is E
10:38.49PetoKrausassasukasse: it's a massive resource hog, IMO
10:39.13assasukassePetoKraus: not so much believe me..of course, it does eat
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14:31.59velixzeenhow do I query the system to tell me what version of elive I am running?
14:32.22velixzeenI have not kept track :-)
14:32.40PetoKrausuname -a
14:32.44PetoKrausshould be enough
14:33.00velixzeenhello PetoKraus
14:33.17velixzeenIt says Linux elive and then the kernel version
14:33.45velixzeenI think I install 0.6.9 (?).  I am somewhat confused on elive versions
14:33.59velixzeenWas Gem 0.7?
14:34.29velixzeenor 1.0
14:35.12PetoKraus1.0
14:36.02velixzeenok, so now the elive community is testing 1.7.  Were the 1.1 - 1.6 test versions too?
14:37.29PetoKrausyeah
14:38.42velixzeenok, thanks.
14:39.56velixzeenengage-manager appears to be having trouble re-ordering the icons on my engage bar.  I have used the gui tool a few times and edited .engage/order/.order by hand.
14:40.06velixzeenany advice on how to fix?
14:40.38velixzeenchanging the file by hand should do it?
14:41.02PetoKrausdunno about engage
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15:58.49assasukasseis there anyone who has installed virtualbox on elive?
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16:26.12watchwolfElive use Exquisite as bootsplash ?
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17:04.59mathmanpdoesn't look like it.
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17:20.02AlexAnteMachinahi folks!
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18:07.44spiliohola
18:07.58keyraspilio: que tal ?
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18:27.22sinplomoo/
18:28.13assasukassesinplomo: do u know how to install virtualbox on 1.7
18:33.44sinplomoassasukasse: no, but did you try to get binaries from virtualbox repos ?
18:34.03assasukassesinplomo: yep
18:34.07assasukassebut no kernel modules
18:34.42sinplomoI am on a mac right now
18:34.46sinplomosorry
18:35.06assasukassesinplomo: no prob :D
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22:03.57Elive_user6sup dudes and dudetts
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22:11.40Thyboi have had an issue in editing the "favs" menu
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23:35.26Elive_user31hi everybody
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