IRC log for #elive on 20080513

00:04.52elmo40crazy, i tellz ya...
00:05.15elmo40i ran Elive in liveCD mode bfore i ran vista. what a shame... the liveCD blew it away!
00:05.24elmo40even withought a swap drive :)
00:07.11elmo403gb ram makes things run smoothly :) Along with dual 64-bit AMD
00:07.11Thybohehe
00:07.16Thyboelmo40, what did u expect ;)
00:08.30elmo40an UPGRADE from winXP </sarcasm>
00:08.35Thyboehe
00:08.43elmo40well, that is what their websites keep telling people... it is an upgrade :/
00:08.55Thybohmm
00:08.56Thybowell
00:09.06Thyboi do not think vista has many advantages
00:09.26Thyboxp had many advantages on 98/me
00:09.28Thybostability
00:12.57elmo40true
00:13.05elmo40that is why people should be running xp over 98
00:13.15elmo40that was a 60% upgrade option :P
00:13.38Thybo?
00:14.16Thybodon't get the last one elmo40 :)
00:14.31elmo40xp is a 60% upgrade from win98
00:14.42elmo40not the true upgrade they pushes... same with vista.
00:14.55elmo40it is a backwards update! Well, more GUI bloat then anything.
00:15.32elmo40have to adddmit, their 'dumb user' internet settings are fine and hope to stop a lot of trojans, but it is still a POS ;)
00:15.36Thyboyou mean xp = 98 + 60 % ?
00:16.20elmo40yes
00:16.30Thybook
00:16.35Thybonow i understand:)
00:16.56elmo40i dont get why they have so many versions! (then again, look at Linux... but that is a different can-o-worms)
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00:20.11jimyjazzhi wizard, are you getting more levels in the idler?
00:20.54Wizardyeah
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00:27.27jimyjazzwizard do u use enlightenment?
00:29.30Wizardno
00:31.06jimyjazzok
00:31.34jimyjazzyeah i though u said u normaly use xfce
00:31.46Wizardyes and gnome
00:31.53Wizarddepends on my mood :P
00:32.26jimyjazzhow are the servers behaving today?
00:35.04Wizardthere is a deployment today, so most of services are shut down
00:35.35jimyjazzok
00:50.43get00is Away, Reason: 14( 07zZZZ 14) 14|00 Since: 14( 07Monday00, 07May 1200, 07200800.07 1900:073800:0718 14)07 Xlack 00v072.1
01:02.50ThyboWizard, what serveré?
01:02.53Thyboserverz?
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02:37.31hal9k2010hello all
02:38.05Wizardhi
02:38.14hal9k2010sup wiz?
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04:47.41Wizardping
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10:05.14wasynytgood day people
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10:59.28Thyboanyone solved the backgroud problem?
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11:23.48AlexAnteMachinaNa? was treibt's ihr hier?
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12:02.45wiracochahola a todo el mundo, tengo un problemita y necesito ayuda
12:02.59keyrawiracocha: que tal ?
12:03.10wiracochahi everybody, i have a problem an i need help
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12:13.38elmo40pong
12:24.05elmo40g'damn i hate vista! their 'firewall' is so useless it blocks everything that doesnt say 'm$' in it!
12:29.33wasynytreally ?
12:31.51elmo40i did a service pack update and i think the hosts file was written to.
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12:33.06wasynythmm
12:33.12wasynytsounds like a crappy update
12:35.12DammitJimmorning
12:37.13wasynytgood morning DammitJim
12:37.33wasynytis planning on to go and buy some food
12:37.51DammitJimalrighty, then
12:38.21elmo40i like food
12:38.25elmo40whats for breakfast?
12:38.43DammitJimelmo40, this is for you! http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=208017734
12:38.43wasynytdunno.. my fridge is empty
12:39.21wasynytquite nice
12:39.29wasynythow long does the battery hold ?
12:39.42DammitJimnot sure... we should ask Thana
12:40.42wasynythe has one ?
12:40.59DammitJimI think so
12:41.12DammitJimI heard that that's why he started including eeePC support for Elive
12:42.00wasynytheh
12:42.00wasynytk
12:44.23elmo40DammitJim: now that is more like it
12:44.49elmo40who puts speakers beside the laptop screens anyways? :P This is much improved
12:45.05elmo40still too pricey...
12:45.47wasynyti wont say anything about the price until i hear how long the battery goes
12:46.20wasynytif it is over 4 then it makes sense to me
12:46.22wasynyt;D
12:48.01elmo40http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=205729362
12:48.07elmo40now that is what i would like.
12:48.54elmo40LifeBook u810
12:50.21DammitJimI have speakers besides my laptop screen
12:51.03wasynyti am not sure how well those turning screens would last in my use
12:51.07DammitJimat my work desk... LOL
12:51.10wasynyti tend to break stuff
12:51.20DammitJimthere is no need to turn them...
12:51.30wasynyttrue but still..
12:51.45DammitJimLOL... those things defeat the purpose of the reason why I like Linux...
12:51.50DammitJimi love the keyboard...
12:51.57DammitJimvs... mouse, pointer, etc
12:52.37wasynytheh
12:52.57wasynytwell what i mean is that having one hinge is not as strong as two
12:54.59elmo40it is a large hing
12:55.03elmo40+e
12:55.13wasynytok
12:55.46elmo40in some places, one large <thing> is better then 2 small <things>
12:56.23elmo40damn, i cant get some websites to load, or stream any audio!
12:56.29elmo40it just says 'error'
12:56.40elmo40i give up... installing Elive NOW! (stupid vista.)
12:56.47wasynytheh
12:57.20elmo40i tell ya
12:57.25elmo40some sites are FAST
12:57.29elmo40others hang.
12:57.58elmo40i have 2 machines wired to the same router. no port forwarding or anything. and this 400MHz Elive box will open everything!
12:58.09elmo40the vista box says 'nope, i dont want to work' :/
13:00.28wasynytheh
13:00.56wasynytwell that vista box is so much safer, if you cant do anything nothing can happen
13:04.32elmo40kinda like the views of the gov'nt... if the people cant do anything, then nothing would happen
13:06.41wasynytyup
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13:10.42wasynytnow i must go and get some food
13:10.47wasynytsee you later peopel
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14:09.08Elive_user83_eshola
14:09.22keyraElive_user83_es: que tal ?
14:13.14DammitJimhola
14:13.21DammitJimOMG>.. this DVD player is awesome!
14:13.25DammitJim... for $18.00
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14:44.25wasynytis back
14:47.00DammitJimwb
14:52.30wasynyt:D
14:52.40wasynytnow i have to eat some of that food i bought
14:52.45wasynytor i will pass out
15:00.34DammitJimgosh
15:00.36DammitJimwhat did you get?
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15:14.55wasynytbread yoghurt mysli, juice, meetwurst
15:15.02wasynytfor now
15:16.46roxvillecan tell wasynyt is a breakfast person
15:17.01DammitJimyuck
15:17.23roxvilleyuck?
15:17.28DammitJimlol
15:17.31DammitJimyogurt
15:17.35wasynytis good
15:17.42wasynyt1800 here
15:17.42roxvilleyep, it's good
15:17.42wasynyt:D
15:18.07roxville6pm is a great time for early OR late breakfast
15:18.31elmo40damn... i hate radio hosts who are so afraid of the world!
15:18.55elmo40'we should allow our ISPs to monitor what traffice we generate, and notify the police of anything illegal'
15:18.58elmo40DAMN!!!
15:19.10elmo40and he is on the radio! thousands of people are listening!
15:19.11wasynytroxville, yeah
15:19.26wasynytelmo40, why not call him
15:19.48elmo40i try
15:19.49elmo40busy
15:19.55elmo40so i email
15:20.05elmo40'if you have nothing to hide, why worry?'
15:20.09elmo40i hate that argument
15:20.16wasynytyup
15:20.33elmo40and it is NOT an argument
15:20.35wasynyteverybody has something to hide, those who dont lie
15:20.41elmo40true
15:20.58elmo40they give me 95Gb / month, i will use it any way i want.
15:21.39wasynytbasicaly yes, but you should not do anything criminal
15:21.43wasynytas that is  not allowd
15:21.47wasynyt*allowed
15:22.40elmo40his main argument for the monitoring (big brother) is 'help prevent children from being attacked by pedophiles' AAARRGGGHHH. Anything to save the children, eh? Screw that. You know it will be used for EVERYTHING else, such as p2p and then emails (which are plain text anyways...) chat, video/audio streaming.
15:23.01elmo40i do criminal stuff all the time.
15:23.07roxvillehehe
15:23.11elmo40cracks, rapidshare.de, stuff like that.
15:23.18elmo40p2p music! that is 'criminal'
15:23.24roxvilleyep
15:24.19elmo40i dont want a private company to track what i do, that is why i use linux! no trojans/spyware. :)
15:24.55elmo40now they are going to implement it into the 1/0's of everything
15:28.44elmo40wow, so he says 'the phone company knows all the numbers you dial, what is different then ISP tracking your traffic?' First of all, the phone company doesnt listen in to our convo (well, they shouldnt be)
15:28.52elmo40the ISP can sniff your traffic.
15:30.00wasynytphone companies used to listen your conversations
15:30.15wasynytand police most likely listens everybody in us
15:30.57elmo40cia, anyways.
15:31.03elmo40kinda sad, though.
15:31.16elmo40the gov't is afraid of everyone, so they want to control everyone.
15:31.37wasynytthat sounds really messed up
15:32.32elmo40that is how they keep power. prevent the public from knowing what they do (always doing behind closed door talks with no public transcripts available)
15:41.38elmo40anyone try firefox 3?
15:42.43roxvilleyes
15:42.58roxvilleit runs pretty well now
15:42.59wasynytis it any good
15:43.12DammitJimsweet
15:43.22roxvillemuch faster and MUCH lower on ram that ff2
15:44.20elmo40ya, exactly
15:44.24elmo40both win and lin versions
15:44.36wasynytsounds good
15:44.41roxvilleit's a win-lin situation
15:44.48roxville:)
15:44.59elmo40but i ahve to tell you, i cant find the setting that prevents the address bar showing all the sites you have been to when you start typing
15:45.18roxvillehasn't even tried to find it
15:45.51elmo40but you know waht i mean, right?
15:46.00elmo40the 'search while i type' in the address bar.
15:47.04elmo40ah, found it :P
15:47.13elmo40they call it 'typeaheadfind' :)
15:48.06roxvillebut of course they do!
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15:57.10roxvilleyeah elmo, it might be a little embarrassing if your daughter tries to go to "books.com" and ends up seeing all your "boobs" sites...
15:57.24DammitJimlol
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15:58.25elmo40mmm, boobs
16:01.17roxvillehehe
16:01.25elmo40anyone use a CRM app in their work? i was looking into SugarCRM.com, they have an open source version. looks nice.
16:03.46elmo40roxville: http://hosted.met-art.com/met-art_ALH_1_650//full/met-art_ALH_1_4.jpg   *** NOT SAFE FOR WORK/CHILDREN *** ;)  But here are your boobies.
16:04.22roxvilleyep, that's where they are!
16:05.09elmo40not bad, eh?
16:13.26roxville:)
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17:18.36elmo40anyone do websites? ever try openlaszlo.org ?
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18:04.23ikevin<elmo40> anyone do websites? ever try openlaszlo.org ?
18:04.36ikevinwhat do you mean by "do websites"?
18:04.58elmo40it seems like laszlo is for interactive websites.
18:05.16elmo40just wondering if people have been using Adobe Flash when there is an OpenSource alternative
18:05.37ikevinadobe flash is now open
18:05.55ikevinso you can have coldfusion as alternative
18:06.10elmo40but is it free?
18:06.19elmo40for developing, not the player.
18:06.28ikevincoldfusion or flash?
18:07.15elmo40either.
18:07.50elmo40i was only asking about openlaszlo ;) Would like some user feedback on it, that is all.
18:08.03ikevinflash and coldfusion format are free, so developper tool is not free (adobe flash mx)
18:08.33wasynytwhat lisence
18:08.39wasynytbsd
18:08.41wasynytgpl
18:09.31wasynyt?
18:09.49ikevini don't know
18:09.53elmo40adobe license
18:09.57elmo40:P
18:09.58ikevini think yes
18:10.00wasynyt:P
18:10.35wasynytwhat does the lisence say about future, can they close the format or stuff it full of drm ?
18:10.56elmo40sure, why not
18:11.01elmo40they 'own' the code, dont they?
18:11.15keyraelmo40: See that http://www.elivecd.org/codes
18:11.15wasynytthat is what i am thinking
18:11.17wasynyt;D
18:11.32ikevini think they use a real open licence
18:11.50wasynytwhich one of the many
18:12.07ikevinlike, old 'swf' format is now called 'open swf', i think the name is linked to the licence
18:12.09wasynyti think the bsd would suit them quite well
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18:17.16Elive_user31ola
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18:28.27Elive_user49hey
18:28.43Elive_user49does anyone know how to turn alerts for the terminal on ?
18:29.16Elive_user49there is a hidden menu for options for the terminal but that doesn't help me
18:31.31elmo40wow, very interesting web-based app.  http://radria.sqlfusion.com
18:31.51elmo40Elive_user49: what alerts?
18:34.07ikevinelmo40, you are searching opensource cms?
18:37.41elmo40and other things.
18:37.54elmo40just building a list at the moment.
18:37.57ikevinopensource web-based apps?
18:38.06elmo40nah, prefer local apps
18:38.10ikevineyeos is the best i've see
18:38.47Elive_user49opensource cms ?
18:38.59Elive_user49drupal is a good candidate
18:39.11Elive_user49elmo40, alerts for activity
18:39.14elmo40ya, was looking there too.
18:44.00Elive_user49so does anyone know how to do alerts on the terminal ?
18:44.19DammitJimwhat kind of alerts do you want, Elive_user49 ?
18:44.45DammitJimyou could do cron jobs
18:44.49Elive_user49like if I am running screen with tail -f inside it and I want to know if the file has been updated while I am on the other desktop
18:45.17DammitJimso, you want like a trigger if a file gets updated/
18:45.41Elive_user49no more like if there is any output on my shell or anything changed within the shell. KDE has this in its kterminal
18:45.45Elive_user49but I don't like KDE
18:46.02Elive_user49its a nice function.
18:46.21ikevininstall kterminal without kde :)
18:46.25Elive_user49no
18:46.27Elive_user49yak
18:46.29Elive_user49it has no style
18:46.54Elive_user49there is a hidden option in the xrvt
18:47.18DammitJimoh
18:47.20Elive_user49like if you hold your cursor over the terminal and press ctrl + middle button it gives you an options menu
18:47.21DammitJimhhmmmmm
18:47.29DammitJimI hear you
18:47.30DammitJimhold on
18:48.51DammitJimyou might be able to use inotify
18:50.18DammitJimyou are strictly talking about file changes, right? Elive_user49
18:50.23Elive_user49no
18:50.32Elive_user49absulately not about filesystem changes
18:50.34elmo40Elive_user49: alerts? sure... hold on, let me find the link
18:50.38DammitJimwhat other types of reasons would you want an alarm for?
18:50.39elmo40was looking at it earlier ;)
18:50.39Elive_user49just changes in the output of the shell
18:50.48DammitJimoh
18:50.57DammitJimlike if the shell for some reason shows a new return
18:50.57Elive_user49here: I am using IRCII through SSH and I want to know if something has been updated in the shell
18:51.03DammitJimor like your mysql query is done?
18:51.10Elive_user49yes
18:51.12DammitJimgotcha
18:51.39Elive_user49DammitJim, have you tried using the ctrl + middle mouse button ?
18:51.43Elive_user49there is an alert option
18:51.48Elive_user49but I don't get it
18:52.10DammitJimno, on Elive and in  my system that works as "paste"
18:52.23Elive_user49really ?
18:52.26Elive_user49hmm
18:52.46DammitJimat least that's how I customized the mouse to work on Elive
18:52.55elmo40Elive_user49: somthing about libnotify.
18:53.06Elive_user49on my system I get a none elive menu that gives me a bunch of choices
18:53.09elmo40try googling that and console, or cli, or screen ;)
18:53.26Elive_user49I am using screen already but this is elive specific
18:53.50Elive_user49because I would like the notification in a pop window and if a third party app does it it would look ugly :)p
18:55.16Elive_user49elmo40, do you see the menu I am talking about ?
18:56.56DammitJimspecto
18:57.12DammitJimpython-notify
18:57.19Elive_user49nice
18:57.39Elive_user49thanks DammitJim cache tells me its unobtrusive :)
18:58.05DammitJimspecto?
18:58.46Elive_user49yes
18:59.47DammitJimcool
18:59.48DammitJimgood
18:59.56DammitJimit uses python
19:00.58Elive_user49yea
19:01.01Elive_user49I know some python
19:01.02Elive_user49:)
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19:16.24Elive_user49hmm, specto isn't really designed for this :)
19:16.37elmo40specto?
19:16.41Elive_user49yes
19:16.42DammitJimdammit
19:16.45DammitJimwhat does it detect?
19:16.53Elive_user49e-mails websites files processes ...
19:16.57Elive_user49not shells :)
19:17.13DammitJimcan it keep track of the terminal process?
19:17.26Elive_user49yes but what good does that do ?
19:17.49Elive_user49the process will not change.
19:19.05DammitJimoh, I thought maybe it did
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19:19.42Elive_user49well, from my understand if you are in screen and are using ircII it won't fork a process if there is any output
19:19.54Elive_user49maybe the resources would fluctuate but that happens regardless.
19:24.08Elive_user49thanks for your help guys
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20:17.11roxvilleelmo40, http://montaraventures.com/hotlink.jpg
20:21.56elmo40>_<
20:22.55roxvillei thought that would speak to your sense of humor :)
20:23.31Wizard_:S
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21:15.42Wizard_good afternoon
21:15.47Wizard_or evening
21:15.48Wizard_whatever
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21:43.20ma_texhello
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22:30.27ma_texgood nigcht people
22:30.28SuperpeZabout 35 minutes until midweek madness :)
22:30.40SuperpeZgn8 ma_tex
22:30.43SuperpeZon: http://crabradio.net/
22:30.49SuperpeZit is Warren Haynes & Co. Live at the Ritz Power Jam 1993
22:31.03ma_texSuperpeZ, :)
22:31.08SuperpeZ:)
22:49.38SuperpeZTen minutes to Madness
22:56.53SuperpeZ5 minutes
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23:01.46SuperpeZare we ready to rock????
23:08.17Wizardyeah!
23:09.13SuperpeZhello Wizard
23:09.19Wizardhi SuperpeZ
23:09.21SuperpeZare you listen it?
23:09.28Wizardno, i'm working
23:10.15Wizardi mean i'm trying to work
23:10.27SuperpeZworking without rock?
23:12.06Wizardi'm listening to tool
23:13.13SuperpeZ:)
23:18.30Wizarddamn nginx
23:19.02Wizardi don't even wan't to know what that guy did with php on that website
23:19.16Wizardhe and his 'advanced solutions'
23:20.39elmo40Wizard: tool rocks
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23:50.30Wizardelmo40: i don't think so
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23:53.17Elive_user32Thanks, Dave .. I'll get you the .xml in a few ..
23:53.37Wizardo_O
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23:57.00Wizardhaaa!
23:57.03Wizardnginx++
23:57.35sonofdunCheckin out the irc_channels .. quite a few here ..
23:58.18sonofdunWhere is the package manager .. ahh .. Nm
23:58.51sonofdunis away: See my screenshots http://elivecd.org/gb/Main/Screenshots
23:59.17sonofdunis back (gone 00:00:27)
23:59.38sonofdunnohelp needed .. this is complete Debian .. cy'all l8r!
23:59.52keyrasonofdun: Debian is the SH%$T my friend !

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