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| 01:04.36 | loner269 | hi all |
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| 01:35.38 | jumpnmustang | experts in here? |
| 01:39.19 | jumpnmustang | anyone alive in here? |
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| 01:41.47 | p1asma | what did he expect at this time |
| 01:42.17 | p1asma | i still dont get it why people are so impatient |
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| 02:03.18 | loner269 | lol |
| 02:03.41 | loner269 | are we having fun yet lol |
| 02:16.05 | p1asma | loner269: ? |
| 02:17.50 | DammitJim | who? |
| 02:18.40 | p1asma | DammitJim: im talkin about jumpnmustang, dunno what loner269 is talkin about :) |
| 02:19.13 | DammitJim | oh gosh |
| 02:20.12 | loner269 | hi |
| 02:20.41 | loner269 | what i miss |
| 02:31.05 | DammitJim | nothing |
| 02:34.25 | loner269 | ok |
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| 03:40.07 | AlexAnteMachina | good morning everybody! |
| 04:01.49 | loner269 | roxville: you around? |
| 04:05.50 | Wizard | good morning |
| 04:22.24 | loner269 | hi Wizard |
| 04:22.36 | Wizard | wassup? |
| 04:24.33 | p1asma | good morning Wizard :) |
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| 04:29.07 | p1asma | hehe |
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| 04:33.04 | Wizard | hello p1asma |
| 04:33.14 | Wizard | how are you? |
| 04:33.14 | apt | Wizard: you know how it is... |
| 04:33.22 | p1asma | lol |
| 04:33.24 | p1asma | fuckin bots |
| 04:33.30 | p1asma | Wizard: quite fine, thx |
| 04:33.39 | p1asma | looking for a dedicated server atm |
| 04:33.42 | p1asma | hard to choose |
| 04:33.46 | Wizard | :) |
| 04:33.59 | p1asma | some have traffic flat, some have rescure system, some have native ipv6 |
| 04:34.14 | Wizard | what do you need ipv6 for? |
| 04:34.39 | p1asma | well, its the future, i want to be prepared ;) |
| 04:34.43 | p1asma | better then tunneling |
| 04:35.48 | p1asma | in 2-3 years ipv4 space will be empty |
| 04:36.04 | Wizard | ah, yeah, doomsday |
| 04:36.08 | p1asma | hehe |
| 04:36.10 | p1asma | right ; |
| 04:36.16 | p1asma | the day when the routers die |
| 04:36.56 | p1asma | http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=_y36fG2Oba0 |
| 04:42.44 | Wizard | lol |
| 04:43.43 | p1asma | :) |
| 04:47.31 | Wizard | "bye bye, folks at ripe 55.." |
| 04:48.04 | Wizard | http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=znyLwAGRYOw |
| 04:48.10 | Wizard | check this out ;D |
| 04:50.33 | loner269 | a Wizard i cant get the sound figured out for tokbox the video works though now any way lol any ideas? |
| 04:50.58 | Wizard | waht's tokbox? |
| 04:51.27 | loner269 | its www.tokbox.com voice video type chat |
| 04:51.48 | loner269 | works with linux or anything else thay say |
| 04:51.50 | loner269 | lol |
| 04:52.50 | loner269 | since i cant get paltalk to work this is going to have to do lol but sounds not working |
| 04:52.50 | p1asma | well, i dont understand polish because im german, but nice ska music :) |
| 04:54.09 | loner269 | huh? |
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| 04:54.32 | p1asma | http://www.tokbox.com/ sucks |
| 04:54.32 | p1asma | i cant see nothing |
| 04:54.32 | p1asma | only scripts there |
| 04:54.32 | p1asma | :) |
| 04:54.32 | loner269 | flash player? |
| 04:54.41 | Wizard | brr |
| 04:54.44 | loner269 | its web based |
| 04:57.27 | loner269 | lol so far i like it other than no sound that is lol |
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| 05:01.19 | loner269 | hi LinuxNIT-II lol |
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| 05:06.31 | AlexAnteMachina | hey ho! |
| 05:09.28 | Wizard | hi ho! |
| 05:09.38 | Begasus | hi hi ;) |
| 05:09.50 | AlexAnteMachina | hi |
| 05:10.01 | loner269 | hows u? |
| 05:10.16 | Begasus | mes fine thnx ;) |
| 05:10.26 | loner269 | cool |
| 05:10.34 | AlexAnteMachina | I've got 1.7.2 installed and running. |
| 05:11.21 | loner269 | Wizard: i cant figure out how to get the sound to work for tokbox or anything |
| 05:11.29 | Wizard | under firefox? |
| 05:11.31 | loner269 | cool AlexAnteMachina how is it |
| 05:11.46 | loner269 | yea im in fox |
| 05:12.56 | AlexAnteMachina | its nice |
| 05:12.59 | loner269 | that alsaconf said i got 3 for sound but i only got the onboard an the turtle beach im lost |
| 05:13.15 | loner269 | cool |
| 05:13.51 | AlexAnteMachina | dont know why Thanatermesis calls it unstable. Microsoft's XP was even more unstable when it's first version was released. |
| 05:14.09 | AlexAnteMachina | only 1 thing is pretty strange. |
| 05:14.18 | loner269 | wats that |
| 05:14.30 | AlexAnteMachina | the system spins down the hdd. |
| 05:15.00 | loner269 | how come |
| 05:15.25 | AlexAnteMachina | dont know |
| 05:15.51 | AlexAnteMachina | and the finetuning failed, too |
| 05:15.52 | Wizard | via hdparm? |
| 05:15.55 | loner269 | is it saposed to ? or mabe it helps or something |
| 05:16.17 | Wizard | yeah.. it helps recycling your hard drive |
| 05:16.28 | AlexAnteMachina | exactly |
| 05:17.30 | loner269 | oh |
| 05:18.32 | AlexAnteMachina | so I better get that solved |
| 05:19.47 | Wizard | :) |
| 05:20.15 | AlexAnteMachina | Wizard, any idea how to tell the system to keep it spinning? |
| 05:20.32 | Wizard | dunno |
| 05:20.37 | Wizard | i've never played with that |
| 05:21.04 | Wizard | ubuntu feisty had that problem too, maybe you'll find a solution on some ubuntu forum |
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| 05:22.24 | AlexAnteMachina | good to know! |
| 05:22.27 | AlexAnteMachina | thanks! |
| 05:22.36 | Wizard | :> |
| 05:22.41 | Wizard | :]-> |
| 05:22.44 | Wizard | whoops |
| 05:22.57 | AlexAnteMachina | oh, and eltrans comes with 1.7.2 |
| 05:23.11 | keyra | AlexAnteMachina: eltrans is the Elive translator tool, a very easy and guided way to made translations for Elive (and e17 too), it sends automatically your translations, you can download it from http://repository.elive-systems.com/pool/main/e/eltrans/ , ask me about poedit before to use eltrans |
| 05:23.19 | AlexAnteMachina | that had to be.... |
| 05:23.23 | AlexAnteMachina | :| |
| 05:24.44 | AlexAnteMachina | and there is still that "problem" when minimizing xmms, every module (player, playlist and equalizer) appear as a seperate icon. |
| 05:27.50 | Wizard | lol :D |
| 05:28.03 | Wizard | that was a common problem in many window managers |
| 05:28.49 | Wizard | and oldschool-classic-cool-traditional-unix behaviour ;) |
| 05:30.18 | AlexAnteMachina | huh? |
| 05:30.23 | AlexAnteMachina | dude, I have to leave now. |
| 05:30.32 | AlexAnteMachina | I'll be back later! |
| 05:30.36 | Wizard | so bye :) |
| 05:30.39 | AlexAnteMachina | Thanks for the hint! |
| 05:32.50 | loner269 | a Wizard |
| 05:33.33 | loner269 | wxcam got the cam to work in tokbox skype dont know what else yet lol what do i need to do to get the sound working? |
| 05:41.03 | Wizard | dunno, i told you |
| 05:41.16 | Wizard | i've never had any sound problems under linux |
| 05:42.17 | loner269 | o ok sorry |
| 05:42.31 | Wizard | so i don't even know what it might be |
| 05:42.32 | Wizard | hmm |
| 05:42.43 | Wizard | ls -l /dev/snd |
| 05:42.51 | Wizard | modprobe | grep snd |
| 05:43.00 | Wizard | does sound work in other apps? |
| 05:48.09 | loner269 | not as far as i know sound dont work |
| 05:48.28 | loner269 | on windows side it did but thats gone now lol |
| 05:49.16 | loner269 | i tryd alsaconf an after its thing it showd 3 things i only got onboard an turtlebeach the 3rd im lost |
| 05:51.12 | loner269 | those lines gave a lot of giberish to me |
| 05:51.28 | loner269 | i did the ls 1 first an got 9 things |
| 05:52.06 | loner269 | the mod 1 an got 5 lines really odd never saw this b4 but im still new lol |
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| 06:31.11 | Wizard | yawns |
| 06:31.26 | get | too |
| 06:31.32 | p1asma | too |
| 06:31.41 | p1asma | i will go to bed now |
| 06:31.43 | p1asma | gnite |
| 06:31.45 | p1asma | ;) |
| 06:31.48 | Wizard | see you |
| 06:31.56 | Wizard | i slept only 2 hours |
| 06:31.57 | Wizard | :/ |
| 06:32.19 | p1asma | my rhythm is kinda destroyed too |
| 06:32.25 | p1asma | but tomorrow i have radioshow |
| 06:32.35 | p1asma | and i have to organise some things l8r |
| 06:32.42 | p1asma | so i must sleep now |
| 06:32.44 | p1asma | to be fresh |
| 06:33.03 | p1asma | cya :) |
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| 08:03.17 | slade991 | hi |
| 08:12.02 | Wizard | hi slade991 |
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| 08:57.38 | Elive_user18_en | anyone alive in here? |
| 09:01.21 | Elive_user18_en | no? |
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| 12:00.41 | DammitJim | morning |
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| 13:12.12 | ma_tex | hello |
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| 14:32.58 | FenDanT | Hello :) |
| 14:33.18 | FenDanT | Since last big upgrade from yesterday, impossible to boot with Elive :( |
| 14:33.53 | FenDanT | Last message is something like : "Could not mount Squash system" :( |
| 14:33.56 | DammitJim | what upgrade is that, FenDanT ? |
| 14:34.10 | DammitJim | maybe there is something you can change on your boot parameters |
| 14:34.28 | FenDanT | And at the end : sh: cant access tty; job control turned off :( |
| 14:34.43 | DammitJim | let me see your grub |
| 14:34.57 | FenDanT | I made an update yeterday at night with synaptic |
| 14:35.12 | DammitJim | what is your /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 14:35.26 | DammitJim | what is the kernel defined as for Elive |
| 14:38.01 | FenDanT | Here is the menu.lst http://pastebin.ca/1025924 |
| 14:39.16 | FenDanT | linux:/media/sda13/boot # ls |
| 14:39.16 | FenDanT | config-2.6.24.7-elive-686 initrd.img-2.6.24.2-elive-686 initrd.img-2.6.24.2-elive-686.bak memtest86+.bin vmlinuz-2.6.24.2-elive-686 |
| 14:39.16 | FenDanT | grub initrd.img-2.6.24.2-elive-686-bak initrd.img-2.6.24.7-elive-686 System.map-2.6.24.7-elive-686 vmlinuz-2.6.24.7-elive-686 |
| 14:39.16 | FenDanT | linux:/media/sda13/boot # |
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| 14:40.35 | FenDanT | Do you have an idea ? |
| 14:40.45 | DammitJim | did you install this? |
| 14:40.59 | DammitJim | or do you have this on an external drive? |
| 14:41.22 | FenDanT | I installed it |
| 14:41.33 | DammitJim | this is 1.7.2 right? |
| 14:41.42 | FenDanT | Yep the unstable one :) |
| 14:41.44 | DammitJim | no, looks like 1.6.2 |
| 14:41.56 | DammitJim | that's weird.. your kernel seems to be older than mine |
| 14:42.03 | DammitJim | and I'm running 1.7 |
| 14:42.19 | FenDanT | :( |
| 14:42.36 | DammitJim | anyways |
| 14:42.56 | DammitJim | maybe and just maybe... when it's booting... try getting rid of theat line that talks about eeeli |
| 14:43.26 | DammitJim | did you install using the installer.experimental? |
| 14:43.33 | FenDanT | hmmm |
| 14:43.39 | FenDanT | Yep |
| 14:43.46 | DammitJim | hhhmmmmm |
| 14:43.50 | FenDanT | The only one workong for me |
| 14:43.55 | FenDanT | working |
| 14:44.09 | DammitJim | maybe your cd is messed up? |
| 14:44.14 | DammitJim | did you check your MD5? |
| 14:44.24 | DammitJim | this is what I have... with 1.7 |
| 14:44.29 | DammitJim | kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24.4-elive-686 root=UUID=de2ead48-e994-4689-81f0-18d1babb558e vga=791 resume=/dev/sda5 |
| 14:44.47 | FenDanT | yep but i installed it some weeks ago and all was working perfectly till yesterday's aupgrade |
| 14:45.11 | DammitJim | so, you did an upgrade? |
| 14:45.13 | DammitJim | no a full install? |
| 14:46.08 | p1asma | i think he means apt-get upgrade? |
| 14:46.16 | DammitJim | FenDanT, is that what you did? |
| 14:46.28 | DammitJim | I thought you just said you did installer.experimental |
| 14:46.34 | p1asma | maybe there was a kernel installed and something is messed up |
| 14:46.46 | FenDanT | Yep that's what i did :) |
| 14:47.09 | DammitJim | clean install, right? nothing in the Hard Drive |
| 14:47.18 | FenDanT | yep |
| 14:47.27 | DammitJim | weird |
| 14:47.35 | DammitJim | how many times have you tried re-installing? |
| 14:48.06 | FenDanT | Heuuuu just one install and some apt-get upgrade |
| 14:48.29 | DammitJim | did it work before the apt-get upgrade? |
| 14:48.38 | FenDanT | Yep like a charm :) |
| 14:48.47 | DammitJim | so, the upgrade messed something up |
| 14:49.00 | DammitJim | apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 14:49.07 | FenDanT | I think so too... But what is missing ? |
| 14:49.23 | FenDanT | apt-get upgrade |
| 14:49.24 | DammitJim | who knows |
| 14:49.27 | FenDanT | ^^ |
| 14:49.33 | DammitJim | try an apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 14:49.36 | DammitJim | maybe that will fix it |
| 14:49.44 | DammitJim | but since the installer is still esperimental |
| 14:49.48 | DammitJim | I would suggest just reinstalling |
| 14:49.59 | FenDanT | Hmmm dont know if it's possible because of this boot problem |
| 14:50.13 | keyra | FenDanT: If you have boot problems better to play with the init boot kernel parameters, specially with APM and ACPI parameters: http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/gregkh/lkn/lkn_pdf/ch09.pdf |
| 14:50.44 | FenDanT | Strange thing |
| 14:51.17 | FenDanT | Am i alone with such a problem ? |
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| 14:51.25 | DammitJim | I think so |
| 14:51.33 | DammitJim | because there is no real support for an experimental install |
| 14:51.39 | FenDanT | I'm very prod of it \ò/ |
| 14:51.43 | DammitJim | or at least I don't know what you could do |
| 14:51.45 | FenDanT | proud |
| 14:51.49 | DammitJim | try it again |
| 14:51.52 | DammitJim | that's what I'd do |
| 14:51.57 | DammitJim | it takes only less than an hour |
| 14:51.59 | DammitJim | doesn't it? |
| 14:52.07 | FenDanT | Yep :) |
| 14:52.21 | FenDanT | Do i need a new installer ? |
| 14:52.50 | DammitJim | there is no new installer |
| 14:53.04 | FenDanT | ^^ |
| 14:59.49 | FenDanT | DammitJim, anyway... Thanks for your help and your advices :) |
| 15:00.07 | DammitJim | let me know what happens |
| 15:00.12 | DammitJim | I'll be doing the 1.7.2 install soon |
| 15:00.12 | FenDanT | Ok |
| 15:00.18 | DammitJim | so, I'll let you know as well if I see any problems |
| 15:00.47 | FenDanT | Just want to try if it's possible to do an apt-get dist-upgrade during the boot |
| 15:01.08 | DammitJim | yeah... if it loads the network |
| 15:01.12 | DammitJim | you should try that |
| 15:01.17 | DammitJim | it is lenny after all |
| 15:01.19 | FenDanT | Ok |
| 15:01.31 | roxville | DammitJim, after install... i disabled everything that had to do with laptops in the daemon's manager in elpanel |
| 15:01.34 | roxville | and... |
| 15:01.40 | roxville | this helped a LOT |
| 15:01.58 | roxville | as root: cream /etc/fstab |
| 15:01.59 | DammitJim | oh really? |
| 15:02.04 | DammitJim | what kinda problems were you having? |
| 15:02.13 | roxville | and delete the line that says "/tmp" |
| 15:02.24 | roxville | and reboot |
| 15:02.37 | roxville | that fixed a lot of "lag" issues i had |
| 15:02.44 | DammitJim | interesting |
| 15:02.49 | DammitJim | ty roxville |
| 15:02.52 | DammitJim | got that, FenDanT ? |
| 15:03.31 | roxville | the /tmp thing is only needed during livecd mode |
| 15:03.40 | FenDanT | Yep... First i will try the dist-upgrade... If it dont works i'ill give the content of my fstab |
| 15:03.55 | roxville | but with the installer being VERY experimental... thana didn't fix that ...yet |
| 15:06.54 | DammitJim | still has tmp running in 1.7 |
| 15:07.11 | DammitJim | tmpfs /tmp tmpfs nosuid,nodev 0 0 |
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| 15:08.35 | [Hugo] | Im looking foward for 1.7, I downloaded it a couple of days ago, but havent seen it yet |
| 15:09.42 | [Hugo] | and they say Ill be able to run it from pendrive! |
| 15:10.19 | DammitJim | [Hugo], you can do that with 1.6 even |
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| 15:10.51 | FenDanT | Hello again :) |
| 15:10.59 | FenDanT | Nothing to do during the boot |
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| 15:11.13 | FenDanT | Here is my fstab http://pastebin.ca/1025953 |
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| 15:12.05 | DammitJim | so, you deleted the line |
| 15:12.11 | DammitJim | tmpfs /tmp tmpfs nosuid,nodev 0 0 |
| 15:12.13 | DammitJim | right? |
| 15:14.37 | FenDanT | me ? |
| 15:16.02 | FenDanT | I have two partitions for Elive... sda12 and sda13... |
| 15:16.36 | FenDanT | During the launch of other distros, i sometime have a message about bad blocks on sda12 |
| 15:16.48 | FenDanT | Can i do sometghing to corrct that ? |
| 15:17.03 | FenDanT | Thanatermesis, told me it was a normal message... |
| 15:17.34 | FenDanT | roxville, what do yo think i have to change in my fstab ? |
| 15:18.06 | roxville | FenDanT, delete the WHOLE line that refers to "?tmp" |
| 15:18.17 | roxville | /tmp |
| 15:18.32 | FenDanT | roxville, ok... Some other changes ? |
| 15:18.33 | roxville | and reboot |
| 15:18.44 | roxville | nope, that should be it |
| 15:18.54 | roxville | i am not sure what issues you have at the moment |
| 15:19.18 | p1asma | i think apt-ge installed a new kernel |
| 15:19.26 | p1asma | and menu.lst is not up to date |
| 15:19.36 | p1asma | or wrong settings |
| 15:19.42 | DammitJim | apt-get wouldn't do a new kernel |
| 15:19.47 | DammitJim | unless it was a dist-upgrade |
| 15:19.50 | DammitJim | correct? |
| 15:20.03 | p1asma | i had the same thing with squashfs when i tried booting the livecd from hdd |
| 15:20.19 | p1asma | because my cdrom isnt working |
| 15:20.29 | p1asma | but i got this fixed with editing menu.lst |
| 15:20.33 | FenDanT | here is mine http://pastebin.ca/1025966 |
| 15:21.10 | FenDanT | But i dont know how to correct it :( |
| 15:21.11 | p1asma | DammitJim: dunno, i remember loading a new kernel in ubuntu with apt-get upgrade only |
| 15:21.15 | p1asma | but maybe im wrong |
| 15:21.26 | p1asma | FenDanT: google for it |
| 15:21.26 | roxville | DammitJim, dist-upgrade would not upgrade the kernel either |
| 15:22.50 | FenDanT | Ok... I try with the change in fstab |
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| 15:26.16 | FenDanT | Hmmm no changes without tmp in the fstab :( |
| 15:28.41 | DammitJim | DAMMIT |
| 15:28.53 | DammitJim | oh, roxville what would upgrade the kernel? |
| 15:28.55 | FenDanT | ^^ |
| 15:29.36 | roxville | FenDanT, what problems are you experienceing? |
| 15:29.45 | roxville | does it hurt when you pee? |
| 15:29.52 | roxville | ok, disregard that |
| 15:29.56 | DammitJim | omg... that's like the worse pain in the world, rookmoot |
| 15:29.58 | DammitJim | rox |
| 15:30.03 | rookmoot | grrr ! |
| 15:30.07 | rookmoot | :D |
| 15:30.10 | DammitJim | wow... I woke him up! |
| 15:30.13 | roxville | DammitJim, you would need to install the kernel yourself |
| 15:30.17 | FenDanT | Block during the boot : Could not mount Squash Sytem : sh: cant access tty; job control truned off |
| 15:30.20 | DammitJim | hhhmmmm |
| 15:30.30 | DammitJim | I thought last time I changed the repos and did a dist-upgrade |
| 15:30.33 | DammitJim | it upgraded my kernel |
| 15:31.54 | roxville | FenDanT, that issue is TOTALLY out of my knowledge |
| 15:32.03 | FenDanT | ^^ |
| 15:32.14 | FenDanT | Of mine too :) |
| 15:32.39 | p1asma | FenDanT: for me it sounds like virtual system is failing |
| 15:32.45 | p1asma | but if this is installed on hdd |
| 15:32.50 | p1asma | he shouldnt use this at all |
| 15:32.56 | p1asma | this is only for livecd |
| 15:33.01 | p1asma | as far is a i know |
| 15:34.11 | p1asma | can you boot from cd or have access from elsewhere and paste content of menu.lst? |
| 15:35.46 | DammitJim | plasma, he did here |
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| 15:36.23 | DammitJim | http://pastebin.ca/1025924 |
| 15:37.01 | FenDanT | You have it... I'm under Arch yet :) |
| 15:45.13 | DammitJim | seems that dist-upgrade can do an update of the linux-image |
| 15:45.20 | DammitJim | not sure if that's the same thing as the kernel |
| 15:47.44 | FenDanT | [root@chalet jacques]# ls /media/sda13/boot |
| 15:47.48 | FenDanT | System.map-2.6.24.7-elive-686 initrd.img-2.6.24.2-elive-686.bak |
| 15:47.49 | FenDanT | config-2.6.24.7-elive-686 initrd.img-2.6.24.7-elive-686 |
| 15:47.49 | FenDanT | grub memtest86+.bin |
| 15:47.49 | FenDanT | initrd.img-2.6.24.2-elive-686 vmlinuz-2.6.24.2-elive-686 |
| 15:47.49 | FenDanT | initrd.img-2.6.24.2-elive-686-bak vmlinuz-2.6.24.7-elive-686 |
| 15:47.49 | FenDanT | [root@chalet jacques]# |
| 15:48.16 | DammitJim | wth? |
| 15:48.55 | DammitJim | lol... why do you have to go to media/sda |
| 15:49.09 | FenDanT | My menu.lst is with 2.6.24.2 Do i have to try with 2.6.24.7 ? |
| 15:49.19 | DammitJim | yup |
| 15:49.21 | DammitJim | that's the problem |
| 15:49.30 | DammitJim | I knew there was something weird about you having an older verion |
| 15:49.38 | FenDanT | Because i'm with Archlinux and i have 9 other distros |
| 15:49.51 | DammitJim | gotcha |
| 15:50.01 | FenDanT | Could not be so simple :( |
| 15:50.03 | DammitJim | I do wonder why menu.lst changed |
| 15:50.07 | DammitJim | it is that simple |
| 15:50.08 | DammitJim | go change it |
| 15:50.09 | DammitJim | and try it |
| 15:51.42 | FenDanT | Something like that ? |
| 15:51.43 | FenDanT | kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24.7-elive-686 root=UUID=7650efe2-4c2a-49bc-837e-6f623e32a6e7 vga=788 boot=eeeli system=UUID=5ff1e437-dae9-4718-8f64-520277089fd6 user=UUID=7650efe2-4c2a-49bc-837e-6f623e32a6e7 |
| 15:51.43 | FenDanT | initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.24.7-elive-686 |
| 15:51.48 | DammitJim | don't forget to change it on both |
| 15:51.49 | DammitJim | yes |
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| 15:58.30 | DammitJim | you got it! |
| 15:58.51 | FenDanT | Grrrr no changes |
| 15:58.55 | DammitJim | dammit |
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| 16:01.05 | FenDanT | The new menu.lst http://pastebin.ca/1025985 |
| 16:16.31 | Thanatermesis | boot=eeeli ? that boot is deprecated, the system not works correctly on that mode |
| 16:16.36 | Thanatermesis | waht you are trying to do, FenDanT =? |
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| 17:22.30 | FenDanT | Thanatermesis, i cant boot anymore with elive :( |
| 17:22.47 | Thanatermesis | wich version ? |
| 17:23.10 | FenDanT | Dev 1.7.2 since the last upgrade from yesterday |
| 17:23.16 | Thanatermesis | mmh.. i think that i remember that you have do a "eeeli" install (that alpha installation stuff), right ? |
| 17:23.26 | Thanatermesis | but.. 1.7.2 is not installable |
| 17:23.29 | FenDanT | Yep i think so |
| 17:23.29 | Thanatermesis | how you have installed it ? |
| 17:23.46 | FenDanT | With the unstable installer |
| 17:24.01 | FenDanT | Worked like a charm til yesterday |
| 17:24.20 | Thanatermesis | FenDanT, eliveinstaller.experimental command ? |
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| 17:24.28 | FenDanT | Thanatermesis, yep |
| 17:24.37 | Thanatermesis | with eeeli booting mode ? |
| 17:24.42 | FenDanT | yep |
| 17:24.53 | Thanatermesis | i mean.. you have used before the eeeli booting parameter on your grub ? |
| 17:24.59 | FenDanT | http://pastebin.ca/1025985 here you have my menu.lst |
| 17:25.05 | Thanatermesis | anyways |
| 17:25.13 | Thanatermesis | i think that i know the cause of your problem.. |
| 17:25.25 | Thanatermesis | i have lost 4 days here trying to know the cause that a new build can't boot |
| 17:25.31 | FenDanT | ^^ |
| 17:25.37 | Thanatermesis | i have just found the cause a few minutes ago |
| 17:26.01 | Thanatermesis | you can see my report: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=482417 |
| 17:26.13 | Thanatermesis | if you use "eeeli" booting way, you have the same problem than this |
| 17:26.15 | keyra | Thanatermesis: You just need to send a email to submit@bugs.debian.org with: subject: "descriptive title about the bug", body of email: a first line similar to: Package: (name of package), second line: Version: (number of version of package), after this... the explanation of the bug described. Btw, is better to not say to you are on Elive, if you say this, the bug can be ignored (report it to debian if is a debian bug, of course) |
| 17:26.29 | keyra | Thanatermesis: If you have boot problems better to play with the init boot kernel parameters, specially with APM and ACPI parameters: http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/gregkh/lkn/lkn_pdf/ch09.pdf |
| 17:26.57 | Thanatermesis | so... upgrade the package "busybox" that i have just commited to the repositories (apt-get update && apt-get install busybox), and then run: mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd.img-$(uname -r) |
| 17:26.58 | Thanatermesis | and reboot |
| 17:27.25 | FenDanT | Thanatermesis, i cant use apt-get after the boot problem :( |
| 17:27.51 | Thanatermesis | and spank mr. gates to have invented the bugs |
| 17:27.56 | FenDanT | I have no network |
| 17:28.23 | Thanatermesis | you can solve this but... its a bit more tricky then :/ |
| 17:28.24 | DammitJim | LOL... what does Bill have to do with anything? |
| 17:28.37 | Thanatermesis | DammitJim, he has invented the errors |
| 17:28.44 | FenDanT | ^^ |
| 17:28.52 | DammitJim | so, FenDanT could install clean and then update busybox before doing the apt-get upgrade |
| 17:28.55 | Thanatermesis | FenDanT, do you have important data or anything ? i mean, what about reinstall ? |
| 17:29.12 | DammitJim | thinks that Bill has pattented how errors are generated |
| 17:29.21 | FenDanT | Thanatermesis, no very important datas |
| 17:29.50 | FenDanT | Thanatermesis, i have to reinstall with the same dev installer ? |
| 17:31.36 | FenDanT | Thanatermesis, no way to have a secure boot to try the upgrade ? |
| 17:31.56 | FenDanT | Like a failsafe one ? |
| 17:35.35 | DammitJim | I don't think that's possible, FenDanT, because the file system cannot be mounted |
| 17:35.37 | DammitJim | properly |
| 17:36.40 | FenDanT | Hmmm so i have to reinstall it from the beginnng :) |
| 17:37.15 | FenDanT | Do i have to use two different partitions like the first install ? |
| 17:37.33 | DammitJim | don't think so |
| 17:38.03 | FenDanT | Thanatermesis, can confirm that i can use only one partition ? |
| 17:40.03 | FenDanT | Or someone else :) |
| 17:43.40 | FenDanT | Nobody ? |
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| 17:44.14 | wasynyt | FenDanT, ? |
| 17:44.27 | DammitJim | did it work? |
| 17:44.53 | Thanatermesis | FenDanT, im wroking on the new installer now |
| 17:44.57 | FenDanT | If i have to reinstall... Can i use the same dev installer and can i use only one partitions instead or thwo like at the first install ? |
| 17:45.03 | Thanatermesis | maybe better to just use the new installer |
| 17:45.12 | Thanatermesis | standard installation |
| 17:45.21 | FenDanT | Thanatermesis, ok, i can wait for the new installer :) |
| 17:45.35 | FenDanT | Thanatermesis, will it be long ? |
| 17:46.29 | Thanatermesis | and not this installer that not has passed the ETQ (Elive Test Quality) |
| 17:46.41 | FenDanT | ^^ |
| 17:47.00 | Thanatermesis | FenDanT, i have just fixed a PITA bug where i have lost 4 days and i can boot again the builds... so im just going to continue working on the installer now ;) |
| 17:47.18 | Thanatermesis | i can't tell you how much time |
| 17:47.25 | Thanatermesis | can be one day, or can be more |
| 17:47.27 | FenDanT | ^^ |
| 17:47.34 | Thanatermesis | i need to add more features to the installer, and change a lot of things |
| 17:47.44 | Thanatermesis | what is your native language ? |
| 17:47.52 | FenDanT | What a job... |
| 17:47.59 | FenDanT | Thanatermesis, french :) |
| 17:48.14 | FenDanT | Or swiss-french :) |
| 17:48.15 | Thanatermesis | good... i think that we don't have a french translator yet :) |
| 17:48.24 | Thanatermesis | maybe you would like to play a bit with "eltrans" |
| 17:48.25 | FenDanT | Thanatermesis, if i can help :) |
| 17:48.39 | keyra | Thanatermesis: eltrans is the Elive translator tool, a very easy and guided way to made translations for Elive (and e17 too), it sends automatically your translations, you can download it from http://repository.elive-systems.com/pool/main/e/eltrans/ , ask me about poedit before to use eltrans |
| 17:48.43 | Thanatermesis | eltrans is the new translator system for elive, so, everybody is welcome to translate the Elive messages |
| 17:48.52 | FenDanT | Why not... I made some french translation for Archlinux :) |
| 17:48.57 | keyra | Thanatermesis: Would you like to contribute to Elive? you can make some translations http://dev.elivecd.org/wiki/Translations , report bugs (very important) http://bugs.elivecd.org, help with the wireless support, make any patch or better feature and send to the dev. etc... |
| 17:49.29 | Thanatermesis | before we have used a way a bit... not-userfriendly, but AlexAnteMachina has spanked me saying that this is not userfriendly at all so... i have made a totally automatized system using a GUI :) |
| 17:50.07 | FenDanT | Something like Qt4 linguist ? |
| 17:50.11 | Thanatermesis | the good thing of Elive translation is... it doesnn't has much things to translate, there's only a bunch of few sentences by element |
| 17:50.22 | Thanatermesis | FenDanT, you are on live mode now ? |
| 17:50.38 | FenDanT | Thanatermesis, nope im with Archlinux at the moment |
| 17:50.55 | Thanatermesis | ok... well, if you are on livecd mode, just launch "eltrans" and you can see ;) |
| 17:50.59 | Thanatermesis | its a.. gtk interface |
| 17:51.05 | Thanatermesis | pieces |
| 17:51.16 | Thanatermesis | its a simply automatized system, graphically ;) that's all |
| 17:51.20 | Thanatermesis | DammitJim, how to define eltrans ? |
| 17:52.44 | FenDanT | Well... Immediately after the reinstall, i'll see it... And if i can help, i woul be very happy to translate it |
| 17:53.27 | Thanatermesis | you can translate anything available... but you need an account here in order to send the translations to Elive to have it directly on the system |
| 17:53.34 | Thanatermesis | so... give me a username and a password that you want to use |
| 17:53.40 | Thanatermesis | and a email where i send you the info |
| 17:53.44 | Thanatermesis | in PV |
| 17:57.02 | DammitJim | eltrans is the tool to define the variables that hold the translation to any language |
| 17:57.06 | FenDanT | Done :) |
| 17:57.16 | keyra | DammitJim: eltrans is the Elive translator tool, a very easy and guided way to made translations for Elive (and e17 too), it sends automatically your translations, you can download it from http://repository.elive-systems.com/pool/main/e/eltrans/ , ask me about poedit before to use eltrans |
| 17:57.28 | DammitJim | dammit... you keyra |
| 17:58.32 | FenDanT | I saw some strange things in the actual french translation... So if i can i will change some things |
| 17:59.43 | DammitJim | yessss |
| 17:59.45 | DammitJim | good, FenDanT |
| 18:00.11 | FenDanT | ^^ |
| 18:00.38 | Thanatermesis | FenDanT, on enlightenment 17 or in Elive messages ? |
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| 18:01.04 | FenDanT | Elive |
| 18:01.50 | Thanatermesis | mmh, wich messages exactly ? |
| 18:02.55 | FenDanT | So it's not really about messages... But some names used seems a bit strange for me :) |
| 18:03.59 | FenDanT | You know a name like "Tablard" that i have seen, seems very swiss for me... Not sure it's the best name for French or Canadian users for example :) |
| 18:04.46 | FenDanT | May be the man who did this trahnslation was also from the french part of Switzerland like me... |
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| 18:16.35 | loner269 | hi all |
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| 18:41.51 | m03 | anyone around for a question? |
| 18:42.06 | m03 | couldn't find any useful documentation on this subject, just a big run-around |
| 18:49.35 | DammitJim | sup, m03 ? |
| 18:51.54 | loner269 | DammitJim: hello how you doing today lol |
| 18:52.05 | DammitJim | good |
| 18:52.06 | DammitJim | you? |
| 18:53.17 | loner269 | bad my sound isnt rite icant figure it out |
| 18:53.42 | DammitJim | mine isn't working either, but I have GEM |
| 18:53.44 | DammitJim | at home |
| 18:53.46 | DammitJim | I need to fix it |
| 18:53.51 | DammitJim | I mean... my optical out doesn't work |
| 18:56.42 | m03 | hey i couldn't find any updated documentation on installing e17 .edj themes |
| 18:56.53 | m03 | i placed them in /usr/share/enlightenment/data/themes |
| 18:56.56 | keyra | m03: "apt-cache search e17 theme" and "apt-get install packagename" to install it |
| 18:57.24 | m03 | yeah understand that, but I found some .edj themes outside of apt that i've downloaded |
| 18:57.34 | m03 | what exactly does apt to to install them after dpkg? |
| 18:57.42 | m03 | or what does dpkg do rather |
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| 19:04.06 | Elive_user5 | hi there |
| 19:04.47 | Elive_user5 | anybody there?? |
| 19:08.05 | DammitJim | hi |
| 19:08.20 | DammitJim | LOL @ m03 |
| 19:08.24 | DammitJim | dude, what are you runnning? |
| 19:08.38 | DammitJim | can you click on the background and select configuration? |
| 19:08.52 | keyra | DammitJim: take a look at that: http://bugs.elivecd.org/?do=details&task_id=33&histring=background |
| 19:10.03 | m03 | yeah i select configuration |
| 19:10.07 | m03 | goto themes |
| 19:10.13 | m03 | and the one's i've added aren't there |
| 19:12.11 | m03 | and already said, am running e17 |
| 19:12.18 | DammitJim | ok |
| 19:12.22 | DammitJim | then pick personal |
| 19:12.31 | DammitJim | do they show up there? |
| 19:13.24 | m03 | naw, already looked there =/ |
| 19:13.32 | m03 | does it matter who they are owned by? |
| 19:13.44 | m03 | i tried chown'ing them to my user as well as root, same difference |
| 19:14.08 | m03 | would assume it wouldn't matter, as long as they are owned by my user |
| 19:14.44 | m03 | so basically i moved them to the theme folder, was wondering if there is another step i was supposed to take |
| 19:15.43 | DammitJim | no |
| 19:15.56 | m03 | gay |
| 19:15.56 | DammitJim | you are talking about a theme? |
| 19:16.11 | m03 | correct give me one sec and i'll show you where i got it |
| 19:16.22 | DammitJim | ok |
| 19:16.27 | DammitJim | 'cause you should be able to do an import |
| 19:16.30 | DammitJim | from anywhere on your machine |
| 19:17.13 | m03 | http://www.e17-stuff.org/content/show.php/Imago+%28ex+BlackTheme%29?content=60376 |
| 19:17.30 | m03 | lots of nice themes there for e17 that come in a .edj file |
| 19:17.48 | m03 | is it just me or is finding good e17 documentation a bitch? |
| 19:17.49 | DammitJim | yes |
| 19:17.58 | DammitJim | e17 documentation is hard to come by |
| 19:18.04 | DammitJim | I'm working on translations of it to spanish |
| 19:18.06 | DammitJim | anyways |
| 19:18.13 | DammitJim | do you have an Import button? |
| 19:18.20 | m03 | so yeah like I said I moved them to /usr/share/enlightenment/data/themes |
| 19:18.26 | m03 | not that I know of |
| 19:18.30 | m03 | you mean in the theme selector? |
| 19:19.06 | m03 | if you mean in the theme selector, then no |
| 19:19.11 | DammitJim | yeah |
| 19:19.18 | m03 | and I'm runing elive-gem with e17 |
| 19:19.20 | DammitJim | what version of elive are you running? |
| 19:19.25 | DammitJim | k |
| 19:19.33 | m03 | brb bro cheers for help |
| 19:19.39 | DammitJim | k |
| 19:19.42 | DammitJim | sorry to dissappoint you |
| 19:21.13 | DammitJim | all I know is that e17 in 1.7 has the import function |
| 19:21.19 | DammitJim | I could check out my gem install at home, though |
| 19:22.56 | m03 | yeah hmm |
| 19:23.13 | m03 | dpkg verbose would only show output right? not what commands it's running? |
| 19:23.25 | m03 | cuz dpkg some how does it |
| 19:23.38 | DammitJim | that I don't know |
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| 19:24.14 | m03 | will give it a shot, cheers for the help m8 |
| 19:24.24 | DammitJim | alright |
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| 19:30.36 | jumpnmustang | are we alive in here? |
| 19:31.58 | DammitJim | I am |
| 19:32.21 | jumpnmustang | oh good, if I have a few questions can you answer them? |
| 19:34.03 | jumpnmustang | The last version I had before the one I have was 0.4, it use to ask me if I wanted to load e16 or e17, this one didn't do I assume e17 is loaded? also, what is the latest stable version? |
| 19:34.34 | DammitJim | what version are you running now? |
| 19:34.48 | jumpnmustang | 1.7.2 I think. |
| 19:34.59 | DammitJim | cool |
| 19:35.03 | DammitJim | ok... no e16 in the package |
| 19:35.08 | DammitJim | it only has e17 |
| 19:35.16 | DammitJim | if you want e16, you can install from source |
| 19:35.26 | DammitJim | latest stable is Elive Gem 1.0 |
| 19:35.53 | jumpnmustang | do you know if there is going to be another one soon? |
| 19:36.04 | DammitJim | it's in the works |
| 19:36.07 | DammitJim | and yes |
| 19:36.16 | jumpnmustang | I witnessed it run a hard to run driver recently. so I am excited about it. |
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| 19:37.04 | jumpnmustang | I am having a little trouble with my sprint card which is important but it ran my BCM43xx card. |
| 19:37.06 | AlexAnteMachina | hi everybody! |
| 19:37.29 | ma_tex | hi AlexAnteMachina |
| 19:37.43 | jumpnmustang | Thanks Jim. |
| 19:37.55 | DammitJim | hi AlexAnteMachina |
| 19:38.16 | AlexAnteMachina | hi @ all! |
| 19:38.28 | jumpnmustang | hi |
| 19:39.18 | DammitJim | from what I heard last, the BCM43XX card might work on 1.7.2 |
| 19:39.49 | jumpnmustang | well it worked fine first try.. |
| 19:40.16 | DammitJim | good |
| 19:40.25 | jumpnmustang | it said linux driver does that mean the company produced one or did the guy doing this project write one for the fun of it? |
| 19:42.31 | jumpnmustang | Sorry for the newbie questions.;-) |
| 19:42.48 | Thanatermesis | roxville, AlexAnteMachina needs your help to disable the laptop daemons to see if his HD works better without them |
| 19:43.02 | Thanatermesis | AlexAnteMachina, tell me when you have do it, if works... in order to disable them on the install mode |
| 19:43.12 | DammitJim | who was having problems with their HDD? mine keeps doing that funny spinning sound |
| 19:43.14 | DammitJim | :D |
| 19:43.20 | DammitJim | but changing hdparm helped |
| 19:43.38 | AlexAnteMachina | so your hdd was spinning down every 10 seconds, too? |
| 19:44.01 | Thanatermesis | AlexAnteMachina, not sure, but maybe that is the cause |
| 19:44.17 | DammitJim | yessss |
| 19:44.58 | DammitJim | and then it would suddenly take a break |
| 19:44.59 | DammitJim | and spin really hard |
| 19:44.59 | DammitJim | to the point where the pc will stop |
| 19:44.59 | DammitJim | responding |
| 19:44.59 | AlexAnteMachina | okay, could you be that kind telling me how to change hdparm? |
| 19:44.59 | DammitJim | for a second or 2 |
| 19:44.59 | DammitJim | hdparm -S 120 /dev/sda |
| 19:45.00 | DammitJim | which doesn't let the HDD go quiet |
| 19:45.11 | roxville | AlexAnteMachina, open elpanel and click on the keys icon |
| 19:45.11 | DammitJim | I don't know if that has an impact on energy savings |
| 19:45.12 | AlexAnteMachina | huh? |
| 19:45.37 | AlexAnteMachina | roxville, okay, done |
| 19:45.43 | roxville | then open daemons manager it's the icon on the top right |
| 19:46.08 | Thanatermesis | <DammitJim> hdparm -S 120 /dev/sda |
| 19:46.20 | Thanatermesis | try better what roxville's says, to know the cause of the problem |
| 19:46.22 | AlexAnteMachina | roxville, done. |
| 19:46.35 | DammitJim | yes... 'cause I have to do mine every time I boot up and my powersource changes |
| 19:46.42 | DammitJim | is learning |
| 19:46.50 | roxville | and turn off everything that has to do with laptops... like hibernation and shit like that |
| 19:47.08 | DammitJim | OMG>.. you suck, roxville!!! |
| 19:47.22 | roxville | DammitJim, why do i suck? |
| 19:47.24 | Thanatermesis | roxville, hibernation works on normal computers too :) |
| 19:47.25 | jumpnmustang | interesting, hope I don't have to do this. |
| 19:47.35 | DammitJim | you just do... sorry... LOL... that's just a word I say |
| 19:47.36 | Thanatermesis | well, not ALL computers |
| 19:47.41 | DammitJim | PrinceAMD is used to it |
| 19:47.45 | roxville | and the AlexAnteMachina edit /etc/fstab and remove the line with /tmp in it |
| 19:47.50 | DammitJim | not all |
| 19:47.51 | Thanatermesis | where is PrinceAMD DammitJim ? |
| 19:47.54 | Thanatermesis | !seen princeamd |
| 19:47.54 | diabetik | Thanatermesis: princeamd was last seen in #elive 2 weeks, 0 days, 0 hours, 15 minutes, and 41 seconds ago: <PrinceAMD> have to go for a few |
| 19:48.03 | Thanatermesis | a few ? |
| 19:48.05 | Thanatermesis | spank princeamd |
| 19:48.09 | DammitJim | I don't know... all I know is he was taking his finals |
| 19:48.10 | Thanatermesis | :) |
| 19:48.20 | DammitJim | but that was weeks ago |
| 19:48.41 | DammitJim | interesting... I don't know if this has anything to do with it |
| 19:48.52 | roxville | <PrinceAMD> have to go for a few weeks |
| 19:48.54 | DammitJim | but 1.6.2 didn't have this problem |
| 19:48.54 | jumpnmustang | is there a dialer similar to kppp in this? |
| 19:49.00 | DammitJim | until I did the apt-get upgrade |
| 19:49.28 | DammitJim | ADSL/PPPoe dialer |
| 19:49.46 | DammitJim | ADSL/PPPOE Configurator |
| 19:49.55 | jumpnmustang | ok I think I saw that. will have to wait till I can reboot. |
| 19:52.22 | AlexAnteMachina | roxville, do you want me to remove the complete line: tmpfs /tmp tmpfs nosuid,nodev 0 0 |
| 19:52.38 | roxville | AlexAnteMachina, yes |
| 19:52.54 | AlexAnteMachina | done. |
| 19:53.06 | roxville | then you need to reboot, actually |
| 19:53.20 | AlexAnteMachina | in progress, sir! |
| 19:54.15 | DammitJim | lol |
| 19:54.15 | roxville | away for a few weeks |
| 19:54.23 | roxville | or hours |
| 19:54.37 | roxville | is away: for a few weeks...or hours |
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| 19:55.49 | jumpnmustang | does the install work similar to the live settings? |
| 19:55.52 | AlexAnteMachina | hi! |
| 19:55.57 | AlexAnteMachina | seems like it's solved! |
| 19:56.09 | AlexAnteMachina | thank you very much, roxville and Thanatermesis ! |
| 19:59.03 | DammitJim | interesting |
| 19:59.24 | DammitJim | AlexAnteMachina, are you running this on a laptop? |
| 19:59.41 | AlexAnteMachina | no, i dont |
| 19:59.41 | Thanatermesis | adding "remove laptop stuff for not laptop computers on the installer" to the TODO list |
| 19:59.47 | Thanatermesis | one line more in my TODO :P |
| 20:00.09 | AlexAnteMachina | oh, there are some other bugs, too. |
| 20:00.18 | AlexAnteMachina | may I report them somewhere? |
| 20:00.22 | Thanatermesis | here |
| 20:00.31 | Thanatermesis | with my name that i see you in YELLOW :) |
| 20:00.32 | DammitJim | LOL @ AlexAnteMachina and Thanatermesis |
| 20:00.46 | DammitJim | hey, Thanatermesis but what about laptops? I'm running a laptop? there is no acpi support, then? |
| 20:01.53 | AlexAnteMachina | Thanatermesis, exalt has a problem starting networking. I always have to refresh it's settings before it's recognizing the connection. |
| 20:02.07 | keyra | AlexAnteMachina: don't ask to ask, ask your problem |
| 20:02.23 | AlexAnteMachina | during bootup it's telling something like" driver not loaded" |
| 20:03.33 | Thanatermesis | DammitJim, * Thanatermesis adding "remove laptop stuff for not laptop computers on the installer" to the TODO list |
| 20:03.41 | Thanatermesis | "for not laptop computers" |
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| 20:03.59 | DammitJim | but I am having that problem with the hard drive, though |
| 20:04.06 | DammitJim | so, there is something wrong there, isn't there? |
| 20:04.28 | Thanatermesis | AlexAnteMachina, exalt has a few bugs... the dev. doesn't looks like to want to maintain it... so, well, we can search a new alternative |
| 20:04.58 | Thanatermesis | DammitJim, try the same thing |
| 20:05.25 | DammitJim | I have and it seems to work, but I loose the acpi support if I disable it, you know what I mean? |
| 20:05.38 | jumpnmustang | I think if you can claim only a few bugs your doing better than most MS products.:-) |
| 20:05.48 | AlexAnteMachina | well, it's only a very small problem to me. I con live with it pretty well. :) |
| 20:06.24 | AlexAnteMachina | Thanatermesis, the shelfs got problems, too. |
| 20:06.50 | Thanatermesis | shelfs ? |
| 20:06.55 | Thanatermesis | welll... update e17 then |
| 20:07.06 | AlexAnteMachina | those things where gadgets are put in. |
| 20:07.11 | AlexAnteMachina | ho to? |
| 20:07.17 | Thanatermesis | apt-get update ; apt-get install e17 |
| 20:07.48 | AlexAnteMachina | Sir! In Progress, Sir! |
| 20:07.58 | DammitJim | lol... what problems with shelves? |
| 20:08.33 | Thanatermesis | if the problem remains, then comment it on #e and if is a real bug of e17 (not Elive or not a wrong bug), then report it to http://bugs.enlightenment.org |
| 20:08.40 | AlexAnteMachina | simply not working as they should, DammitJim |
| 20:08.47 | keyra | Thanatermesis: http://bugs.elivecd.org |
| 20:09.14 | DammitJim | things dissappearing? |
| 20:09.22 | AlexAnteMachina | for example, yes. |
| 20:09.35 | DammitJim | makes a note to self: do not upgrade to 1.7.2 |
| 20:09.45 | AlexAnteMachina | disappearing and leaving a shadow. |
| 20:09.46 | Thanatermesis | AlexAnteMachina, when dissapears ? when you MOVE a module ? |
| 20:09.49 | Thanatermesis | or resize* |
| 20:10.08 | AlexAnteMachina | moving a module is VERY! unstable. |
| 20:10.15 | Thanatermesis | and reported... i think |
| 20:10.15 | DammitJim | agrees |
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| 20:10.22 | DammitJim | but I don't move them anymore because of that and everything is ok |
| 20:10.23 | DammitJim | : |
| 20:10.31 | hal9k2010 | hello all |
| 20:10.35 | DammitJim | hi hal9k2010 |
| 20:10.47 | hal9k2010 | hello dam |
| 20:10.48 | AlexAnteMachina | okay, I've done the e17 update. Now I'm going to reboot.... |
| 20:11.21 | DammitJim | Thanatermesis, must not like coming in here because when it rains, it poors |
| 20:11.22 | DammitJim | lol |
| 20:11.40 | Thanatermesis | kwak |
| 20:11.57 | DammitJim | bugs... when 1 bug is brought up, many follow... |
| 20:13.15 | jumpnmustang | I think I like it so far 1.7.2 seems to be cool. I think I am going to wait for the next stable though to install officially. |
| 20:14.13 | jumpnmustang | I am wondering though.. does it install as easy as it loads as a live cd. one of my favorite lives, when it installs you have to monkey with settings a lot whereas it loads flawless in live mode. so I was wondering about it here. |
| 20:14.42 | jumpnmustang | and is there a plan to make a dvd version?:-) |
| 20:14.53 | DammitJim | what do you mean by dvd version? |
| 20:15.08 | DammitJim | the installer is an alpha installer.. very unstable, jumpnmustang |
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| 20:15.50 | Thanatermesis | the new installer, DammitJim... Gem is perfectly instalble |
| 20:15.58 | AlexAnteMachina | Thanatermesis, AudioConfiguration does not work, too. |
| 20:16.04 | DammitJim | yeah... jumpnmustang was talking about 1.7.2 |
| 20:16.28 | Thanatermesis | AlexAnteMachina, is deprecated.. audio "just works", why you need to configure it ? |
| 20:16.44 | jumpnmustang | oh no I just want to install the stable version and test the unstables. |
| 20:16.55 | AlexAnteMachina | well, it told me "function deprecated" |
| 20:17.22 | Thanatermesis | aha, just that :) |
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| 20:17.34 | AlexAnteMachina | well, if there's the option to have it configured, it should work, dont you think? |
| 20:17.43 | DammitJim | sorry, jumpnmustang, I thought you wanted to install 1.7.2 |
| 20:17.55 | hal9k2010 | got a tech question .... |
| 20:17.56 | DammitJim | can't you just run |
| 20:18.01 | AlexAnteMachina | Thanatermesis, and it's got no startup-sound. |
| 20:18.15 | hal9k2010 | why cant change themes in e16? |
| 20:18.30 | jumpnmustang | well I was out of the loop a while. |
| 20:18.39 | Thanatermesis | hal9k2010, which version of Elive ? |
| 20:18.53 | DammitJim | alsaconf |
| 20:18.56 | jumpnmustang | Last update I downloaded was 0.4 and that is even barely listed as even been existed. |
| 20:18.59 | hal9k2010 | i think the last one ... gem ? |
| 20:19.11 | hal9k2010 | just downloaded a few days |
| 20:19.19 | hal9k2010 | installed it |
| 20:19.22 | Thanatermesis | hal9k2010, you can't switch themes ? mmh, do you have theemes installed ? |
| 20:19.27 | Thanatermesis | apt-cache search e16 theme |
| 20:19.37 | DammitJim | AlexAnteMachina, does alsaconf work? |
| 20:19.43 | hal9k2010 | mmmm good question |
| 20:19.47 | Thanatermesis | what problem AlexAnteMachina with soudn ? |
| 20:20.08 | hal9k2010 | i am new at enlightment my previous linux exp is pclos |
| 20:20.31 | hal9k2010 | but i like the way the e16 look better than e17 |
| 20:21.18 | hal9k2010 | so i should update themes in e16 ? |
| 20:21.27 | AlexAnteMachina | Thanatermesis, when having 1.7.2 running in CD-mode it's starting a soundfile when finishing bootup. |
| 20:23.37 | hal9k2010 | ??? |
| 20:24.01 | AlexAnteMachina | Thanatermesis, when I had 1.7.2 installed to HDD that sound isn't played anymore. |
| 20:25.12 | Thanatermesis | AlexAnteMachina, its only the sound, forget it, needs new installer |
| 20:25.47 | DammitJim | did somebody bring up the issue with the background for terminal and x-chat that doesn't stick after reboot? |
| 20:25.48 | jumpnmustang | I think I have seen this sound file.. almost blew my laptop speakers. |
| 20:25.57 | DammitJim | but maybe that's because I'm using the alpha installer |
| 20:26.01 | keyra | DammitJim: take a look at that: http://bugs.elivecd.org/?do=details&task_id=33&histring=background |
| 20:26.10 | DammitJim | LOL @ jumpnmustang ... that's right.. my wife said... wth? |
| 20:26.35 | jumpnmustang | I loaded it when mine was sleeping, I can't believe she slept through it. |
| 20:26.54 | DammitJim | LOL |
| 20:27.09 | AlexAnteMachina | already forgot about it |
| 20:28.38 | jumpnmustang | stupid question: is there an option for cheap installs? |
| 20:29.04 | jumpnmustang | like the cd transfering contents to the hd and loading from the HD cd style. |
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| 20:35.51 | AlexAnteMachina | Thanatermesis, entangle is deprecated, too |
| 20:38.33 | ma_tex | good nigcht people |
| 20:39.15 | DammitJim | see ya |
| 20:50.38 | AlexAnteMachina | Thanatermesis, what's that sound played on the elive-video ? |
| 20:53.43 | DammitJim | that's cumbia |
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| 21:01.02 | AlexAnteMachina | DammitJim, Cumbia? |
| 21:01.33 | DammitJim | :) |
| 21:01.57 | AlexAnteMachina | where can I listen to that? I wasnt able to find it a jamendo.com |
| 21:02.48 | AlexAnteMachina | DammitJim, ? |
| 21:03.11 | DammitJim | what are you looking for? |
| 21:03.22 | DammitJim | the song that plays at startup? what? are you going to put that on your phone? ;) |
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| 21:04.21 | AlexAnteMachina | I want to know what artist made the soundtrack that appears on the elive-VIDEO on the elivecd.org website! |
| 21:04.59 | DammitJim | oh, sorry |
| 21:05.01 | DammitJim | that I don't know |
| 21:05.09 | AlexAnteMachina | oh shit. |
| 21:05.12 | AlexAnteMachina | holy crap. |
| 21:05.14 | DammitJim | where in the world does Thanatermesis get those anyways? LOL |
| 21:05.26 | roxville | <jumpnmustang> does the install work similar to the live settings? |
| 21:05.27 | AlexAnteMachina | what a fucking Fuck! |
| 21:05.48 | roxville | yes, because the experimental installer pretty much just copies the live cd over to the HD |
| 21:05.52 | roxville | and installs grub |
| 21:06.29 | roxville | so by removing the /tmp dir...you get rid of something that you really don't need... |
| 21:06.33 | roxville | a slower machine |
| 21:06.45 | DammitJim | AlexAnteMachina, take it easy |
| 21:07.10 | AlexAnteMachina | cannot take a thing easy. |
| 21:07.19 | DammitJim | what are you talking about, AlexAnteMachina ? |
| 21:07.20 | DammitJim | lol |
| 21:08.08 | AlexAnteMachina | aaaaarrrrrghhhh |
| 21:08.17 | DammitJim | :) |
| 21:08.18 | AlexAnteMachina | got heartattack |
| 21:09.33 | jumpnmustang | experimental installer meaning the ones in the developmental versions? or all versions roxville? thanks for the answer. |
| 21:09.51 | jumpnmustang | and if it just copies does that mean it copies to like a fat32 |
| 21:09.55 | jumpnmustang | ? |
| 21:10.59 | roxville | it formats your chosen partyition to reisefs |
| 21:11.17 | jumpnmustang | wow interesting.. |
| 21:11.22 | roxville | you launch it by typing eliveinstaller.experimental in a terminal |
| 21:12.35 | jumpnmustang | Do you think I will have trouble installing on a second partition? some linux distro's only install if its on the top end of a hard drive that is why I ask. |
| 21:12.56 | roxville | not that is fine :) |
| 21:13.05 | LinuxNIT | what distros do that?> |
| 21:13.21 | jumpnmustang | cool.. and is there many differences between 1.0 and 1.7.2? |
| 21:13.29 | roxville | i have installed elive on more partitions on more hard drives than i care to admit |
| 21:13.44 | jumpnmustang | I have seen Suse, Mandrake, Redhate all do it. |
| 21:13.49 | roxville | <jumpnmustang> cool.. and is there many differences between 1.0 and 1.7.2? <-- YES |
| 21:14.09 | roxville | HUGE differences |
| 21:14.19 | jumpnmustang | ok so if everything worked on 1.7.2 its a possibility they won't work on 1.0.. |
| 21:14.24 | roxville | GINORMOUS |
| 21:14.40 | roxville | yes, very possible |
| 21:14.55 | roxville | it depends on what computer you are using |
| 21:14.56 | jumpnmustang | do you think its worth installing 1.7.2? or wait till the next stable release? |
| 21:14.59 | roxville | brand and age |
| 21:15.20 | jumpnmustang | it's almost a year old hp laptop. |
| 21:15.26 | roxville | jumpnmustang, we always need testers... ask DammitJim if it's worth it |
| 21:15.39 | roxville | he's fairly new to elive |
| 21:15.45 | DammitJim | jumpnmustang, do you need specific drivers or something? |
| 21:15.50 | roxville | is an old idiot user |
| 21:15.57 | DammitJim | is an old idiot |
| 21:15.59 | jumpnmustang | :-) I don't mind testing do I get free stables? |
| 21:16.01 | DammitJim | that's why we are in this club |
| 21:16.01 | DammitJim | lol |
| 21:16.17 | jumpnmustang | I think I do need specific drivers. |
| 21:16.17 | DammitJim | jumpnmustang, one thing I have learned is that I don't run stables anymore |
| 21:16.28 | DammitJim | but the drivers don't work on the stable version? |
| 21:16.39 | jumpnmustang | I thought unstables turn off options or force them off,. |
| 21:16.48 | DammitJim | I had to move to unstable because the drivers for my video card weren't supported and I couldn't make them work from compile |
| 21:17.00 | DammitJim | but I'm not saying to use unstable |
| 21:17.02 | keyra | DammitJim: compile a driver... check http://dev.elivecd.org/wiki/HowtoBuildDrivers and http://wiki.elivecd.org/index.php?title=Kernel%2C_drivers_and_stuff |
| 21:17.04 | DammitJim | just my personal view |
| 21:17.37 | DammitJim | so, with that said... I think GEM is beautiful |
| 21:17.50 | DammitJim | and it works just fine for any workstation that wants to do day to day stuff |
| 21:18.17 | DammitJim | actually, you know what? you should try the stable, if you don't like it, try the unstable |
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| 21:18.25 | DammitJim | if you don't like the unstable, wait for the new stable |
| 21:18.34 | jumpnmustang | I was going to. |
| 21:18.39 | DammitJim | going through that maturing process will help you learn Elive : |
| 21:18.40 | DammitJim | :) |
| 21:18.44 | DammitJim | that's how I've learned... |
| 21:18.57 | DammitJim | I think I tried Elive when it was version 0.4 like others |
| 21:19.04 | DammitJim | cool... then let's do it! |
| 21:19.49 | jumpnmustang | actually I would rather format a hard drive and run from fresh cd installs every time. |
| 21:20.12 | jumpnmustang | if the OS dies you can just recopy it. |
| 21:21.11 | jumpnmustang | these live distros are getting real good.. but elive is the first to load my bcm card at all. |
| 21:21.46 | jumpnmustang | oh good 1.0 is almost here.:-) |
| 21:31.52 | jumpnmustang | ok guys going to go test 1.0 thanks for the help. |
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| 21:37.03 | xthakila | hi i am back |
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| 21:57.13 | Elive_user26_en | Looks like I am going to have problems with version 1.0. |
| 21:57.28 | keyra | Elive_user26_en: don't ask to ask, ask your problem |
| 21:58.09 | Elive_user26_en | Not sure.. It gets all the way to loading enlightenment and then blank screen. |
| 21:59.09 | Elive_user26_en | I tried Crtl-Alt-Bspace and it just goes back to the black screen. |
| 21:59.43 | Elive_user26_en | I loaded 1.7.2 to see if it was a fluke to get it up and running as good as I did yesterday and its running beautifully. |
| 21:59.59 | DammitJim | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 22:00.45 | Elive_user26_en | that my answer Jim?:-) |
| 22:01.16 | Elive_user26_en | can you change the default name without relogging in? |
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| 22:05.38 | DammitJim | change what? |
| 22:07.14 | Elive_user26_en | the default handle in here. "Elive_user26_en is a little dull. |
| 22:07.23 | DammitJim | lol |
| 22:07.33 | DammitJim | do a /nick nicknameyouwant |
| 22:08.10 | JumpNMustang | muchas better. |
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| 23:47.24 | Elive_user26_en | the installer is disabled in 1.7.2? |
| 23:59.44 | JumpNMustang | anyone alive? |