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00:29.35_paco_buenos nochees
00:30.38_paco_opera 10 beta comes in 2 flavours gcc3 and gcc4 which one suits elive gem+?
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00:32.06_paco_I think gcc4
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01:16.49elmo40gcc4.3.2 ;)
01:16.56elmo40but who uses opera on purpous?
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10:18.53meborcnice
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10:29.39AlexAnteMachinaHey ho
10:29.45AlexAnteMachinahi roxville
10:29.50AlexAnteMachinalong time no talk
10:32.13meborcmorning
10:32.23AlexAnteMachinahi meborc
10:32.35AlexAnteMachinaalready started translating?
10:33.19meborcno
10:33.38meborceveryone in estonia knows english
10:33.43meborcso there is no point
10:34.24meborci have used windows that was installed in estonian language... i was not able to do anything... it sucked :) so why would i want to do the same to elive
10:34.25meborc:)
10:35.34AlexAnteMachinalol
10:35.40AlexAnteMachinathat sounds weird.
10:36.14meborcwhy?
10:36.56meborcit is like watching a dubbed movie, you will never get the real jokes intended by the script writer... translation kills
10:37.48meborcit is like... take a famous painting, take a photo of it, then copy it with paintbrush... is the result the same?
10:38.16meborc"lost in translation" <- great movie ;)
10:39.17AlexAnteMachinato me its hard watching non-translated movies.
10:39.49meborcwhy?
10:40.04AlexAnteMachinawell, my english isnt good enough.
10:40.30meborcif you watched original english movies, your english would be much better
10:40.39meborcthat's how i learned
10:40.46AlexAnteMachinaoh, and of course there are not only english movies out there! For example I dont speak any french or spain.
10:41.02meborcof course
10:41.28meborcbut then again, we were talking about translating elive from ENGLISH to some other language... :)
10:41.42keyrameborc: eltrans is the Elive translator tool, a very easy and guided way to made translations for Elive (and e17 too), it sends automatically your translations, you can download it from http://us.repository.elive-systems.com/pool/main/e/eltrans/ , ask me about poedit before to use eltrans
10:41.52meborcand why i see no point in it... at least in translating it into estonian...
10:43.14AlexAnteMachinasomebody else could show up doing great disaster to your translations.
10:44.44meborcyou mean translating it into "bad" estonian... have no fear, no-one will install the estonian version anyway, so the damage done is small
10:44.51meborc;)
10:44.57AlexAnteMachinalol
10:45.04meborcit's a simple math
10:45.13meborc1.4 mil estonians...
10:45.21AlexAnteMachinai#m having this kind of trouble for german translations.
10:45.51meborc300 000 home computers (lets say)
10:46.01meborc90% use windows
10:46.21meborc30 000 use linux + mac
10:46.22AlexAnteMachinalot of people think a good translation is close to word-by-word.
10:46.45meborclets say 5 000 use linux every day
10:47.06meborcout of them 50 % use ubuntu
10:47.37AlexAnteMachinaokay okay
10:47.41meborcso 2 500 use either debian, pclinuxos, opensuse, fedora, red hat
10:47.49AlexAnteMachinayou outsmarted me
10:47.52AlexAnteMachina;)
10:47.53meborc:D
10:48.31meborcso i could do more by contributing something non-estonian
10:48.46AlexAnteMachinaI'm having this problem with the guy who translated e16 and e17.
10:49.33meborcyou can always re-translate...
10:49.51AlexAnteMachinaWell, he did lots of work. but unfortunately it's quality is miserable.
10:50.15meborcthat's the beauty of open source... you can change the translations
10:50.18AlexAnteMachinafor example he translated "kill window" word by word.
10:50.45AlexAnteMachinabut this sounds like a bad hoax in german.
10:51.10AlexAnteMachinasomething that never lived cant be killed.
10:52.20AlexAnteMachinaOnce I tried arguing with him about it.
10:52.52AlexAnteMachinafinally he came up with "enlightenment wants to stay a niche-product for a few.."
10:53.11AlexAnteMachinaduh... how to talk to such a brickhead?
10:54.38meborcdon't talk to him... talk to Thana and get his translation revoked... or e17 developers... but you should have a perfect translation ready to do it
10:54.42AlexAnteMachinaany idea? meborc ?
10:54.55AlexAnteMachinaokay.
10:55.28meborcthere is nothing you can do unles you have a very good translation
10:55.33meborcto substitute
10:56.14AlexAnteMachinathe point I'm aiming at is to make elive and e17 more userfriendly for unexperienced users.
10:57.22AlexAnteMachinathat makes it necessary to cut some messages short and reduse them to a minimum of information the average noob can understand.
10:57.54meborci can understand that... i lived 3 months in germany... my sotial life sucked because nobody spoke english (exept my employer)
10:57.57meborcno offence
10:57.59meborc;)
10:58.10AlexAnteMachinaduh...
10:58.12meborcit was in Kempten (alps)
10:58.16AlexAnteMachinawhere did you work?
10:58.18AlexAnteMachinaah!
10:58.28meborcso i understand the need to translate
10:58.47AlexAnteMachinaenglish is widely spoken here, but the average level is very low.
10:58.47meborcbut it was so beautiful there... in the mountains...
10:59.10meborcthat's because you dubb all the movies :)
11:00.00AlexAnteMachinaits because german is spoken in 3 countries which makes it interesting for moviesellers to translate everything.
11:00.31meborcyeah... it is a circle of doom
11:00.39AlexAnteMachinalol
11:00.48meborc:)
11:01.23AlexAnteMachinaunfortunaltely thana isnt responding these days.
11:01.54meborcyeah, the channel is quiet too...
11:02.12meborci usually keep the window open when i work on my thesis
11:02.14AlexAnteMachinauntil next dev-version is released.
11:02.27meborcyeah :D
11:02.28AlexAnteMachinawhat thesis?
11:02.33meborcmasters
11:02.40meborcnuclear engineering...
11:02.45AlexAnteMachinaduh
11:03.04AlexAnteMachinawhat are you going to become?
11:03.25meborceee, a nuclear engineer... :D
11:03.47meborc... the richest man in the world...
11:03.57meborc... i have not decided yet actually
11:04.28meborci do like money though, that's why i chose a technical degree
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11:06.03AlexAnteMachinahuh?
11:06.10AlexAnteMachinayou r doing what?
11:07.31meborcwell, right now i am reading up on stability of BWR's for my thesis work... i will be working on a genetoc algorith and RELAP5 code to validate a instability issue found 1999 in one of the Swedish nuclear reactors
11:07.43meborcgenetic*
11:07.50meborcalgorithm*
11:07.52meborc:)
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11:17.07AlexAnteMachinagenetic algorithm?
11:17.55meborc:) yeah... a code that is so smart, it takes the output of RELAP5 code and gives it new input values so that the next output would be even better
11:18.17AlexAnteMachinaI dont get it.
11:18.43AlexAnteMachinaguess i need some german description. maybe i'll ask wikipedia.
11:19.02meborcdon't bother... it is not important
11:19.09AlexAnteMachinalol
11:20.02meborclets just say i work with computer codes that try to predict what is going to happen in a nuclear power plant... and i try to verify the codes by running simulations of old instability issues that we know about
11:20.20AlexAnteMachinaokay
11:20.24AlexAnteMachinanow i got it
11:20.50AlexAnteMachinahow about simply shutting down those plants?
11:20.52meborcyeah, i wish i got it too...
11:21.09meborchow about saving our planet from co2 ?
11:21.31AlexAnteMachinathe waste they are producing is more than simply dangerouse.
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11:21.41AlexAnteMachinalol... co2 is not a problem.
11:21.44nuevoHola
11:21.49AlexAnteMachinahi
11:21.59nuevouna pregunta, cual es la ultima version de Elive?
11:22.20nuevoultimate version  uname -a
11:22.24nuevo:P
11:22.27meborcAlexAnteMachina,  yes, but the high level nuclear waste 1 person creates during his/hers lifetime is a size of a small ball you can hold in your hand
11:23.04AlexAnteMachinanice toxic baseball.
11:23.36meborcdude, the coal we are mining now creates more toxicity and waste
11:23.47nuevohi?
11:23.52meborc:) think of the whole fuel cycle
11:23.55meborcnuevo, hi
11:24.05AlexAnteMachinapossible.
11:24.38AlexAnteMachinai dislike all the common ways electricity is created.
11:24.48nuevoplease you copy & paste comand : uname -a  ?
11:24.59nuevofor me
11:24.59AlexAnteMachinaits all about making money... FAST!
11:25.03keyranuevo: for copy and paste any text, just highlight it with the mouse, and paste with the middle button of the mouse, if you don't have a middle button, press left and right buttons at the same time
11:25.03meborc:) me too... but we have to get it from somewhere...
11:25.40nuevohola?
11:25.55keyranuevo: que tal ?
11:25.59meborcnuevo, what is it?
11:26.04AlexAnteMachinanuevo: sorry, but I dont speak spanish.
11:26.26nuevostupjaa
11:26.26meborcnuevo, Linux snow 2.6.26.8-elive-686 #1 SMP Tue Dec 2 13:49:39 CET 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
11:26.34meborc?
11:26.43nuevomeborc, GRACIAS!
11:27.21meborcnp
11:29.57AlexAnteMachinameborc: need to reboot..... windows forces me to
11:30.15meborcok
11:30.18meborchave fun
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11:57.43AlexAnteMachinahi
11:58.10AlexAnteMachinameborc: windows installations are a pain.
11:58.28meborc:) then don't do them!
11:58.32AlexAnteMachinataking ages
11:58.38AlexAnteMachinalol.... have to
12:00.37AlexAnteMachinagot an eeepc with xandros and for "resetting" it and/or installing latest version one needs a windows-pc.
12:00.40AlexAnteMachinawhat a hoax
12:01.58meborcwell... it is all about the numbers... the majority of win desktops... if the only way was to install through linux, a lot of converts would not be converts :)
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12:18.57meborcAlexAnteMachina, ok, i'm off to test INX linux, i'm wondering if it is good enough to teach my friends CLI commands
12:18.58meborc:)
12:19.00meborcsee you
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16:23.51Elive_user84_ruПривет всем
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