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13:29.19Elive_user96hi
13:29.40Elive_user96does anyone know how to upgrade to the new compiz version from gem without having to reinstall the system?
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14:34.32elmo40Elive_user96: nope. not possible
14:51.50Elive_user96elmo40, What if I don't wipe my root partition or my other partitions. Would it wipe it or just add/replace with new files?
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15:02.19Dillizarhey i cant install the cd ?? is it ony a live cd
15:02.30Dillizaronly*
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15:07.32Elive_user11hey
15:07.42Elive_user11how can i imstall it
15:07.47Elive_user11install*
15:08.02Elive_user11k found it
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15:14.21Elive_user25Hi all
15:14.25Elive_user25I have a question
15:14.34Elive_user25I tried to update my Elive GEM
15:14.50Elive_user25but i get an error message that some Repos. are ignored or removed !
15:15.05Elive_user25Does anyone here know why?
15:15.13Elive_user25Can anyone help me here?
15:15.28Elive_user25PrinceAMD, ping!
15:16.37FreeEagleHello!!!!!!!!!!
15:16.48FreeEaglePrinceAMD, are you online? or away?
15:17.20FreeEagleThanatermesis, are you there?
15:17.35FreeEaglePlease i need your help!!!
15:21.59elmo40Elive_user96: it will wipe the / partition
15:22.25elmo40but keep your /home, unless the newer version of E config file will conflict...
15:22.27DillizarElive_user49
15:22.38Dillizarany body how can i install it on the whole partition
15:22.48Dillizarsorry on the whole hdd
15:22.49elmo40Dillizar: it is a LiveCD with installer. there is an app on the lower Right of the toolbar
15:22.58Dillizari know
15:23.01elmo40Dillizar: you must do two things first
15:23.04Dillizari selected visual
15:23.06elmo40apt-get update
15:23.09elmo40apt-get upgrade
15:23.09Dillizarok
15:23.20elmo40open a terminal, su to root. do those ^^
15:23.23Dillizarthats not for me
15:23.24Dillizar:D
15:23.40Dillizarso how can i format my whole hdd
15:24.09Dillizari cant where i can guide my whole hdd :(
15:24.25elmo40Dillizar: what isnt for you?
15:24.29elmo40opening a terminal?
15:24.38Dillizarnon
15:24.38elmo40be brave, i will walk you through the steps
15:24.44Dillizarapt-get update
15:24.47Dillizarand upgrade
15:24.48Dillizar:D
15:24.56Dillizarfirst i need to install it :D
15:24.57elmo40monsieur, tue puet
15:25.04elmo40'just do it' Nike.
15:25.06elmo40;)
15:25.10Dillizarputain
15:25.11elmo40but you need to .
15:25.11Dillizar;D
15:25.15Dillizardesole mais
15:25.18elmo40tue besoin
15:25.35elmo40s'est tres facile.
15:25.42Dillizarlol
15:25.46Dillizarje non sais pas
15:25.46elmo40le icon est a la gauche.
15:26.09Dillizard'accord
15:26.16Dillizarencore
15:26.23elmo40<PROTECTED>
15:26.30Dillizarbut
15:26.32Dillizarelmo40
15:26.36elmo40Dillizar
15:26.40Dillizarwhy do i need to update
15:26.45Dillizarif i didnt installed it yet
15:26.51elmo40there is an updated version of the eliveinstaller
15:27.04elmo40some bug fixes that did not make it to the .iso
15:27.06keyraelmo40: if you want to upgrade your elive system to a newest one without reinstall, this is not totally possible... because a lot of features are added in the 'process' (boot, configurations, detections, updates, install features, etc) and not just the packages, read the changelog of the releases so you can see the new features added and decide what you do
15:27.09Dillizaraaaaaaaaaaaa
15:27.10Dillizarok
15:27.13Dillizarok
15:27.18Dillizarwhy didnt you said so
15:27.21Dillizareven in french
15:27.22Dillizar:D
15:27.23Dillizar:P
15:27.25Dillizaratton
15:27.33elmo40>_<
15:28.05n0mad:)
15:28.48elmo40je mexcuse. i should have mentioned it in the beginning WHY to update/upgrade.
15:29.38ThanatermesisFreeEagle, how i can answer you if you directly dont ask ? :)
15:29.47elmo40:P
15:29.53FreeEagleI asked you
15:30.09n0madrepeat again ;]
15:30.10elmo40you need a new elive repo
15:30.12FreeEagleThanatermesis, What should i change with my repos to make it work
15:30.28FreeEaglecan you give me please debian and elive repo
15:30.39FreeEaglebecause i removed now both
15:30.42keyraFreeEagle: Debian repos are included BY DEFAULT on Elive :), but don't modify the repositories of Elive, that's a ugly thing that broke systems
15:30.43FreeEaglei did a mistake
15:31.28elmo40deb http://us.repository.elive-systems.com lenny main elive drivers tests efl ports
15:31.37elmo40deb http://us.debian.elive-systems.com/ lenny main contrib non-free
15:31.40Dillizaris upgrading
15:31.41Dillizar:D
15:31.42elmo40those ones?
15:31.46elmo40Dillizar: merci
15:31.48FreeEagleI do not have lenny i still have etch from GEM
15:31.55Dillizardo rien Elive_user49
15:31.55elmo40FreeEagle: upgrade!
15:31.56elmo40:P
15:32.07Dillizardo rien elmo40
15:32.31FreeEagleelmo40, i have Elive GEM and GEM have as i think etch
15:32.44n0madetch ftw... lenny is a big misstake..
15:32.51n0madheh..
15:33.22FreeEaglenow can anyone tell me what should i do ??? Where are you Thanatermesis ????
15:34.10n0madif i wanted a "boom" system i go to ubuntu.. i will never acept this lenny thing for elive... sad
15:34.16n0madFreeEagle, wait maybe i have
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15:34.50elmo40n0mad: but elive now uses lenny
15:34.55elmo405.0, Stable Debian
15:35.10keyraelmo40: Debian is the SH%$T my friend !
15:35.35FreeEagleelmo40, so do you think i have to move to lenny????
15:35.55FreeEaglewith Elive GEM should i move to lenny or this will damage my Elive GEM
15:35.58FreeEagle??
15:36.24n0madand not only that
15:36.44elmo40e17?
15:36.47n0mad...some soft isnt availabel onlenny..
15:36.48elmo40that may break
15:36.56Dillizarsee ya on alive in few min
15:36.57Dillizar:P
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15:37.03n0mad:)
15:37.17n0madDillizar, with compiz ?
15:37.43n0mad(it looks coooool)
15:37.52Dillizarwe will see
15:37.53Dillizar:D
15:37.55Dillizarbut
15:38.01Dillizarif i instll the DAY version
15:38.09Dillizarhow can i change the night version
15:38.56n0madwell there are different isos with and wothout compiz, ;], dont worry about latest version so much ;]
15:39.19elmo40Dillizar: can you tell me what this displays in console: cat /etc/elive-version
15:39.58FreeEagleelmo40, which repos should i use for my Elive GEM?
15:40.19n0mad:/ use debian official
15:40.23elmo40:P
15:40.52n0mad<PROTECTED>
15:41.05elmo40sweet
15:41.12elmo40that is when i began to use Elive. 0.3
15:41.16n0madXDDD
15:41.17elmo40i still have that installer somewhere
15:41.20elmo40n0mad: uptime?
15:42.10n0mad:B
15:42.23n0madim kidding ;]
15:42.58n0madheh.. i braked my old elive... and now.. :,| is so sad...
15:43.24n0madby own hands...
15:43.33n0madhuh :>
15:44.55elmo40n0mad: oh well. it happens
15:46.52n0mad;] i really dont like then happens something like that, i still have old system intact but i cant get it up..maybe someday.. somehow(anyw its only 2.7gb w/o home)
15:48.02Thanatermesis<FreeEagle> I do not have lenny i still have etch from GEM
15:48.05Thanatermesisdo not change repos
15:48.15Thanatermesisthat blog entry article is only meant for the development versions
15:48.25FreeEagleI see
15:48.44FreeEaglei changed my repos according to the blog article
15:49.06FreeEagleyou should remark that, that is just for the development one
15:49.18n0mad;]
15:50.17n0madSwap on video ram
15:50.39n0madinteresting thing :>
15:50.44elmo40n0mad: ya, good thought. but what for?
15:50.45ThanatermesisFreeEagle, yes, i have just added a final line to the article :)
15:50.56FreeEagleThanatermesis, is there anything wrong with the repos of Elive for GEM
15:51.01FreeEaglei can not updated  anything
15:51.09FreeEaglethey look like down
15:51.10ThanatermesisFreeEagle, there's not antyhing to update in gem :)
15:51.25FreeEagleyes but whyn i do apt-get update
15:51.43Thanatermesishttp://pastie.org/pastes/new
15:51.49FreeEaglei get just debian repos. updated but elive repos does not work anymore
15:52.03keyraFreeEagle: Debian repos are included BY DEFAULT on Elive :), but don't modify the repositories of Elive, that's a ugly thing that broke systems
15:52.31FreeEagleI know
15:52.40ThanatermesisFreeEagle, show me your errors in http://pastie.org/pastes/new
15:52.47Thanatermesisno, show me your sources.list better
15:52.54FreeEagleokay
15:52.57Thanatermesisi think that i have removed that subdomain yesterday :)
15:53.16FreeEaglecan you give me that command that show me the sources list
15:53.26FreeEagleor do you know where they are
15:53.30elmo40<PROTECTED>
15:53.32FreeEagleunder which File
15:53.34FreeEagleokay
15:53.39elmo40but dont paste here!
15:53.40elmo40:P
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15:54.24FreeEaglei did Thanatermesis
15:54.33FreeEaglego there to see what i have
15:54.34Thanatermesislink ?
15:54.44FreeEaglehttp://pastie.org/433907
15:55.41Thanatermesisthis is not your sources.list file
15:55.53elmo40:/
15:56.02Thanatermesisbut anywyas, i have it, dont worry
15:56.11elmo40:P
15:56.21elmo40FreeEagle: i said /etc/apt/sources.list
15:56.32FreeEagleThanatermesis, go to this one http://pastie.org/433911
15:57.16Thanatermesisaha perfect
15:57.26Thanatermesisyes i have removed that subdomain yesterday :)
15:57.32Thanatermesis(server cleanup)
15:57.37Thanatermesislet me add it again
15:57.58Thanatermesisaffortunately the data still there
15:58.23n0madelmo40 well if people have vcard with much vram say 32-1gb, so why not ;], if system is old and cannot be expansible with more ram, or im satisfied with what i have, and have vcard that doesn't utilize all video ram, so why not, swap as sap isn't bad thing to have, and vram is anyway faster thing then swap on hd
15:59.11FreeEagleThanatermesis, did you fixed it?
15:59.11elmo40n0mad: ok. for OLD computers, why not. BUT. old computers may only have 16mb vRAM.
15:59.22elmo40or shared onboard RAM, no vRAM at all
15:59.25ThanatermesisFreeEagle, it will need a bit of time
15:59.29FreeEagleok
15:59.30Thanatermesisbetween some minutes, and some hours
15:59.35FreeEagleohh
15:59.36FreeEagle:)
15:59.41ThanatermesisFreeEagle, try to enter here:  http://repository.elivecd.net/
15:59.51Thanatermesiswhen you see that is...
15:59.55Thanatermesisoh, is working now :)
15:59.56Thanatermesisthis is fast
16:00.05ThanatermesisFreeEagle, try apt-get update
16:00.08FreeEaglei wrote you some few days ago, and reported some Bugs in the Elive Development
16:00.32FreeEagleit does not work for me till now
16:00.50Thanatermesisyou can enter here?: http://repository.elivecd.net/
16:00.56Thanatermesisdo you can browse the dirs ?
16:01.23FreeEagleno i can not
16:01.35elmo40i can
16:01.40elmo40In Canada.
16:01.53ThanatermesisFreeEagle, you need to wait that the DNS are propagated
16:02.05elmo40but it looks empty.
16:02.13FreeEagleaha
16:02.34Thanatermesiselmo40, i see that there's 2 dirs, one is empty, i think that there was a problem long time ago when uploading it
16:02.38Thanatermesislet me see...
16:02.46elmo40main is empty
16:02.48elmo40elive is empty
16:02.51elmo40drivers is empty
16:03.13ychouchahello
16:03.20ychouchathana tu m'a pas envoyer les truc pour ecomoprh
16:03.30Thanatermesiselmo40, http://repository.elivecd.net/
16:03.42Thanatermesisychoucha, sorry, je vais essayer de faire ça, donne moi quelque minutes
16:03.52Thanatermesisatt je vais faire un rebuild
16:04.04n0madyes maybe and maybe, some may have some may not ;] i have 512mb and 256vram and il trying now to swapon to 200mb of vram ;] thats totaly enough, cause on hd have only 400mb swap and its more then enough ;] ||  http://repository.elivecd.net/  its on ;]
16:04.38elmo40it is broke
16:04.41Thanatermesisn0mad, you can't buy more ram slot ?
16:04.41n0madelmo40, taht means i can turn hd swap off totaly if ildo all ok
16:04.48elmo40n0mad: i see.
16:04.57elmo40i have 2gb RAM, no need for SWAP anymore ;)
16:05.13Elive_user96elmo40, you always need swap
16:05.34FreeEagleThanatermesis, I installed the last development version few days ago, and i have to say, it is really good
16:05.39FreeEaglei like it more than GEM
16:05.40n0madThanatermesis, yes i can but i dont need, its enough for dayly use, and vram is unusable - so ;] practilay it must be used somehow
16:07.09FreeEagleThanatermesis, but i do not know why Full Screen mode in Adobe Flash player does not work correctly, it work slow in the Full Screen mode, but i used other Linux Distro, and they work without any Problems in the Full Screen Mode
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16:08.26FreeEagleThanatermesis, can you add the nvidia-settings to your TODO list. We need it, it is helpful for nvidia Graphoc Cards
16:08.27Elive_user96elmo40, are you Canadian?
16:08.30FreeEagleGraphoc Cards
16:08.36ThanatermesisFreeEagle, of course! it has (of course) more features than gem :)
16:08.49Thanatermesisgem is more stable, but development is... with more/new development :)
16:09.22ThanatermesisFreeEagle, Flash is a privative software, not a problem of Elive
16:09.25Elive_user96elmo40, nm you use rogers :)
16:09.34ThanatermesisFreeEagle, and in other words, Elive can't do anything there
16:09.39n0madi totaly dislake and throw out any soft that crashes say second or third time..
16:09.43n0madso lenny sux
16:09.45n0mad;]
16:09.57ThanatermesisFreeEagle, not really, if the user want nvidia-settings, just install it
16:09.58keyran0mad: the first thing to do if anything sux, is to report it http://bugs.elivecd.org , or you want that things be fixed magically without know that it fails ??
16:10.04n0mad:BBB
16:10.07FreeEagleThanatermesis, but why it works great under other Linux Distro. and in the Full Screen Mode under GEM and the Devel. does not work well
16:10.14FreeEagle<PROTECTED>
16:10.23ThanatermesisFreeEagle, tell me which version of Flash that other linux distro uses
16:10.45ThanatermesisFreeEagle, and try to copy the plugin to your Elive system to see if works better with that version of flash
16:10.47FreeEagleThanatermesis, i tried to install the nvidia-settings under both versions, it does not work correctly
16:11.16FreeEaglePlugin? Which Plugin?
16:11.20Thanatermesisn0mad, which soft crashes in lenny ?
16:11.41ThanatermesisFreeEagle, flash plugin
16:11.42n0mademelfm2 - my only and fave is emelfm
16:11.53n0madand emelfm2 fm is totaly crap :]
16:11.56FreeEagleit is already installed in GEM or not?
16:12.00FreeEagleI do not have to install it
16:12.01n0madand i canot use emelfm on lenny
16:12.03n0mad:S
16:12.17n0madso it lefts only mc..
16:12.56ThanatermesisFreeEagle, repositories of gem: fixed
16:13.19FreeEagletill now i can not enter the repos.
16:13.30Thanatermesisn0mad, emelfm2 is not in lenny
16:13.33FreeEagleand do not know why... i think this will take a while
16:13.38n0madhm ;]
16:14.32n0madand i dont need that silly emelfm2 ;]
16:14.35elmo40Elive_user96: i dont need swap
16:14.42n0mad;]
16:14.44elmo40swap is just in case you run out of RAM
16:14.49Thanatermesisn0mad, but then lenny dont sux :)
16:14.53n0mad:D
16:14.55n0madsux
16:15.00n0madi canot add emelfm
16:15.04n0mad;]
16:15.07Thanatermesiswhy not ?
16:15.14n0madwell how ?
16:15.16n0mad:)
16:15.20Thanatermesiscompiling it
16:15.26n0madhah
16:15.30Thanatermesisa lot more stable than using UNNOFICIAL packages/repositories
16:15.56ThanatermesisFreeEagle, yes, try every 30 minutes aprox.
16:16.01n0madrrrr, :S
16:16.38Thanatermesisn0mad, so what is better ? emelfm or emelfm2 ?
16:17.00FreeEagleThanatermesis, when will come out the new ELive version?
16:17.03n0mademelfm
16:17.09n0mad;]
16:17.14n0madand gem
16:17.15n0mad:BBB
16:17.55ThanatermesisFreeEagle, im setting up http://dev.elivecd.org
16:17.58Thanatermesisit will have a progress-bar
16:18.00Thanatermesisfor the next stable
16:18.08n0madso il go cry in some corner and do compile that emelfm by own dirty hands :S... :,S
16:18.12Thanatermesisn0mad, well, is a "light" choice :)
16:18.14FreeEaglecool
16:18.32Thanatermesissoftware grows, not Elive itself but all the software (every command, every application...) so everytime they will require more ram
16:18.34FreeEagleI can not wait to see the last version of Elive come out
16:18.47ThanatermesisFreeEagle, but there's no other option :)
16:18.59FreeEagleI know
16:19.14FreeEagleI have a Remark about the menues of the devel. of Elive
16:19.20FreeEaglethey should be more Clean
16:19.33n0madclean ?
16:19.39FreeEagleand remove some of the develop. tools
16:20.01FreeEaglethere is some of the software that are really no need to have them as an ENDUSER
16:20.25n0madvt
16:20.37n0madwhy doesent work on new elive
16:21.14n0madopenvt
16:21.15n0mad*
16:21.23FreeEagleAs an ENDUSER i need also as an Example also cinnerela and something to brows the Network of my Home
16:21.30FreeEagleand i miss this in the new version
16:22.19FreeEaglealso where is the virtual Machine Emulator?
16:22.31Elive_user96elmo40, everyone needs swap. Maybe you should read more about it to understand why. I have systems with 32GB of ram and I won't run them without having swap.
16:22.37FreeEagleThese software are important for ENDUSER than any other things
16:23.56Elive_user96elmo40, Unless you turn on your computer and turn it off after a few hours you would need swap. Otherwise poor performance will follow eventually.
16:25.50FreeEagleokay i have to go now see you later
16:25.53FreeEaglebye bye
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16:28.02Elive_user96elmo40, swap acts as a buffer helping prevent your system from crashing. Here is a simple concept you would probably understand. You know that harddisk swap is much slower then RAM. You also know that there applications that take a lot of memory and some of them don't stop. If you have swap, then it will give your system more time to clear RAM by pushing memory consumption onto the slower swap.
16:28.02n0madElive_user96> why so ?
16:28.31n0mad?(late q)
16:28.36n0madhm
16:29.39Elive_user96The actual usefullness of swap is more complex than that, however that is one way you can try to understand it. Linux doesn't handle well when it runs out of memory.
16:29.54Elive_user96So, you never want to run out of memory.
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16:30.44n0mad;]
16:31.40n0madno swap isnt needet, ok my system can have max 2gb ram but i have only 512 and system swaps max only to 200mb(enabled only 400mb swap) so if i add more ram say +512 - will no need swap, cause is simple replacement off ram then there is no enough
16:34.24n0madits a different thing, then we talk of swa pusefulnes - if system have soem thing in ram - that are w.rarely needet then its wise to free ram by swaping then to swap - at this point swap is practical, but anyway sitem will anyway will slowdown on acess of swaped information
16:35.05n0madsitem* sistem srry :]
16:36.37n0madso swap for full speed - isnt needet, its more wiser to add more ram ("replace" swap)..so Elive_user96 i hardly can agree with u
16:37.22elmo40i still have 512mb of swap space, not as if i did not make any ;) But 2gb is a LOT of RAM to use! (firefox isnt that bad anymore, lol)
16:38.23n0madhm so u are using swap, not directly, ;] but u have it
16:38.36n0madfirefox, i never use it, opera is better
16:38.39n0mad:>
16:39.02Thanatermesisswap is not needed, but if your applications needs more ram memory than what you have, they crash, with swap, you will prevent this... but if you have 2 gb of ram and 2 gb of swap, you still limited to 4gb of memory (swap + ram, or ram only), by other side if you run out of memory, you will NOTICE your computer very slow (ram finished, and using swap only)
16:39.51n0madyes, so u need to know how much ram u need for ur job to done :)
16:40.19Thanatermesisor/and to have a piece of swap to prevent crashes :)
16:40.40n0madhm just in case :)
16:41.44Thanatermesisit is not really needed, you will use it if you want, but is good to have a good piece of swap (the double of your ram ~ ) in order to prevent accidents
16:41.44Thanatermesisalso you can configure vm.swappiness in /etc/sysctl.conf, already preconfigured in Elive :)
16:42.13n0madyep
16:42.14n0madem
16:42.22n0madbut in gem was
16:42.31n0madas i remeber 30 in lenny 20 yes ?
16:42.47n0madremember*
16:45.39Thanatermesisnot sure about gem, in lenny is set to 20 yes
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16:46.39n0madhigh swappiness means the kernel will swap out a lot, and low swappiness means the kernel will try not to use swap space, and what happens if i set it to 0 ?
16:47.31n0madthat number is % off ram as i understanding right
16:49.07n0madwell anyway it is not so important ;]..
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16:49.33Thanatermesisyes, %
16:49.55OpenSpaceThanatermesis, it would be wise to have something like "task manager" in enlightenment that will run as daemon with high priority, small systems often when it comes to swap become unusable because it is very hard even to wait for focus switch
16:50.12Thanatermesisn0mad,  it is suposed that with the 0 % it doesn't use swap but, if needs swap because there's no more ram, it will use it ? :) good question
16:50.45n0madOpenSpace, no throw out his stupid idea us ctrl+alt+F# and there u can run top or htop
16:50.47ThanatermesisOpenSpace, do you mean a "priority" set thingy ?
16:51.50OpenSpaceok
16:53.53OpenSpacei meant something like enlightened top :)
16:55.58n0madhm xfce4-taskmanager is kinda friendly hm and with some x hotkeys it can be interesting eye candy thing
16:57.22elmo40i agree. xfce4-taskmanager is nice, and light.
16:57.26elmo40give it a shot
16:57.49elmo40so far, firefox is consuming 160Mb :/
16:57.51elmo402 tabs open!!
16:57.57n0madomg ;]
16:58.11ThanatermesisOpenSpace, do you are talking about a "top" or a "priority set" (renice) system ?
16:58.34n0madmy opera 183mb 15tabs
16:59.58n0madThanatermesis, it meaned, liek windows like, taskmanger - that is always responsive even on "system hung" - and taht one runs/starts already at high priority
17:00.36n0mad...
17:00.59Thanatermesisah
17:01.04Thanatermesisthere's one made by bentejuy long time ago
17:01.09Thanatermesisim not sure if it is finished
17:01.12Thanatermesisits called... eyearas
17:03.46n0mad:)
17:06.20Thanatermesisi dont found any copy of its source, event a screenshot... nothing
17:06.41Thanatermesislet me email the author (that has actually dissapeared due to health problems)
17:07.15elmo40eyearas? what is it?
17:07.43n0madwish soem help me, with openvt ? on gem it worked on lenny no.. i use openvt -c 3 su user -c "cmd" and it says wrong vt numb, getty i commented on tty3 so whats more ?
17:08.39n0mad(i run openvt as root)
17:12.42n0madone more, on gem i configured separate xorg cfg only for one program optimized and etc.. and in gem i start on separate tty only taht program w/out desk manager, and on thsi new elive it throws dbus usedor amny other things.. im digging with this alredy too mush :S... (all my old cfgs from gem just wont work on new elive...)
17:13.06Thanatermesiselmo40, a tasks manager in etk made by bentejuy :)
17:13.54n0mad(heh mistaces.. il go eat better..)
17:21.36elmo40Thanatermesis: oh. never seen, i dont think.
17:21.49elmo40is bentejuy well? what happened?
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17:33.20Thanatermesiselmo40, not very well
17:33.22Thanatermesishe has health problems
17:33.26Thanatermesisdue to stress
17:33.31Thanatermesisspecially on his work
17:33.32Thanatermesisno time
17:33.38Thanatermesispressed in work
17:33.50Thanatermesis+ family, + kids, + Elive coding for hobby
17:34.07Thanatermesishe actually has go out from elive, at least for a while
17:34.49AlexAnteMachinaThanatermesis, whom are you talking about?
17:34.58AlexAnteMachinaSamuel F. Baggen?
17:35.00AlexAnteMachina;)
17:35.18AlexAnteMachinaI've heard this guy is pretty much into Elive.
17:35.36Thanatermesishehe, no, im talking about bentejuy
17:35.42AlexAnteMachinaoho.
17:35.59AlexAnteMachinaHey Thanatermesis I found out what the F means.
17:36.05Thanatermesishe has do pretty nice things on the website of elive, like the testimonials column, downloads-manager, and almost all the website things
17:36.19keyraThanatermesis: Elive Gem roolz! I hope you are using the one from the website of Elive... apparently a modified ISO exists on the net with porn, adds, and crappy things, maybe that hacked ISO removes all your hard disk  lol
17:36.39ThanatermesisAlexAnteMachina, more than "means", it is a common name, it is Flores, like "lola flores" (google it ;))
17:36.48AlexAnteMachinaI know.
17:37.20AlexAnteMachinaI just wonder why you're always shortening it.
17:38.42AlexAnteMachinaI need to leave now....
17:38.48AlexAnteMachinasorry folks.
17:38.52AlexAnteMachinaSee you later!
17:38.54AlexAnteMachina:)
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18:23.55elmo40Elive_user27_es: ?
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19:06.37elmo40anyone seen the google april fools joke yet?
19:15.49Elive_user96Thanatermesis, in regards to what you said "if you have 2 gb of ram and 2 gb of swap, you still limited to 4gb of memory". I don't believe that to be technically true.
19:16.01Elive_user96Swap partitions or files on linux hold pages that aren't backed by a file
19:16.54Elive_user96you can read this to understand the way swap helps your system
19:16.56Elive_user96http://sourcefrog.net/weblog/software/linux-kernel/swap.html
19:17.01Elive_user96It is more or less correct
19:35.54Elive_user96elmo40, http://www.google.com/intl/en/landing/cadie/index.html
19:36.01Elive_user96elmo40, I think this could be it
19:36.08Elive_user96elmo40, :)
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