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03:52.52Elive_user38_enhey there all
03:53.32Elive_user38_enkeyra?
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10:36.47Elive_user51Hi all!
10:36.55Elive_user51Anyone can help me here?
10:37.52Elive_user51Ping Thanatermesis !
10:41.42ikevinmaybe if you ask your question ...
10:42.22Elive_user51how can i upgrade my Firefox to the last version in GEM
10:42.24Elive_user51??
10:43.14ikevinyou can use apt's pref to use an up to date mirror for firefox
10:43.27ikevinor simply by downloading it from firefox's site
10:43.49Elive_user51what do you mean by  apt's pref?
10:43.54ikevinor enabling update on firefox
10:44.14Elive_user51but if i download it from the website it will not be integrated in my GEM correctly
10:44.21ikevinyou can use a different mirror for special package, like using debian sid mirror to get recent version of package
10:44.23Elive_user51and i do not want to break my installation of ELive
10:45.26Elive_user51ikevin, are you sure if i will use another repo. like SID , this will not break my ELive installation?
10:45.35ikevinsee on firefox in "help -> search update"
10:45.58ikevindepend of how apt's pref are doed
10:47.48Elive_user51hmmm, i do not understand why, Thanatermesis does not upgrade from time to time Firefox
10:48.07Elive_user51he just should offer a Package in the Repos.
10:48.13ikevinnewer version does not mean better version
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10:48.40Elive_user51but without newer version i can not use my Plugins in Firefox
10:49.17AlexAnteMachinaHi Elive_user51 .
10:49.26AlexAnteMachinaBiste wieder hier gelandet.
10:49.28AlexAnteMachina:)
10:49.28Elive_user51Hi AlexAnteMachina
10:49.32ikevinwhy don't using the firefox's update system?
10:49.40ikevinhi AlexAnteMachina
10:49.41Elive_user51ja :)
10:49.59Elive_user51it dies not work ikevin , in Linux this will not work
10:50.05Elive_user51it is already deactivated
10:50.15ikevinit work perfectly ...
10:50.31Elive_user51show me how?
10:51.01ikevinpersonnaly, i just start firefox, and when updates are availlable, i get them
10:51.26ikevin(i'm currently running 3.0.10, who is the last availlable on ff's site)
10:51.39AlexAnteMachinaTach, get
10:52.11Elive_user51are you sure that you use Elive GEM?
10:52.23Elive_user51because i do not think this will work
10:52.44Elive_user51i use GEM since long time, and such a thing did not happend to me
10:52.58Elive_user51Firefox does not upgrade like this in GEM
10:53.05ikevinsee on 'about:config' and search "update" and see if they are enabled
10:53.11Elive_user51Just the Plugins , but not the Firefox itself
10:53.21Elive_user51okay wait
10:53.29Elive_user51i will check this out now
10:53.53AlexAnteMachinaElive_user51, ich werd mal mein Gem booten und sehen was ich für ne VErsion installiert hab.
10:55.31Elive_user51it was deacivated
10:55.37Elive_user51i activated now again
10:55.43ikevin:)
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10:55.56AlexAnteMachinaso
10:57.16AlexAnteMachinaElive_user51, welche iceweasel version hast du denn installiert?
10:57.41Elive_user512.0.0.19
10:58.05AlexAnteMachinaexakt dieselbe hab ich auch.
10:58.07Elive_user51ikevin, it does not work even if i enable it
10:58.23AlexAnteMachinaso, und was hakt nun?
10:58.31Elive_user51ja, aber es gibt 3.0 .... version zur Zeit
10:58.51Elive_user51Flash PLugins funktioniert nicht richtig
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10:59.12Elive_user51und die neue Plugins von Firefox kann ich auch nicht benutzen
10:59.35Elive_user51da sie nicht mehr mit dem jetzigen Firefox Kompatibel sind
11:00.24Elive_user51Wenn ich Video Clips von youtube mir anschaue, und auf Fullscreen umschalte, kriege ich komisches Bild
11:01.03AlexAnteMachinaalso fullscreen mit flash is eine wissenschaft für sich.
11:01.04Elive_user51um die Ecke von Firefox, und sehe gar nichts von dem Bild, außerdem, Sound mit bild ist nicht synchon
11:01.25Elive_user51Warum, es funktioniert wunderbar mit Ubuntu
11:01.37Elive_user51und Elive und Ubuntu sind beide Linux
11:01.45AlexAnteMachinaja
11:01.49Elive_user51Warum denn wissenschaft
11:02.02AlexAnteMachinana, dann les dich mal in Flash ein.
11:02.23Elive_user51na also, entweder Thanatermesis gibt sich keine mühe, oder er hat irgendwas falsches bei der konfiguration gemacht
11:02.33AlexAnteMachinaweder noch.
11:03.40Elive_user51Ja, aber kannst Du bitte mir sagen woran liegt es bei ELive? Warum funktioniert flash problemlos bei Ubuntu, und bei Elive nicht?
11:03.59AlexAnteMachinaGem ist eigentlich veraltet. Das hat den VORTEIL daß es super stabil läuft. Aber den NACHTEIL daß es eben noch nicht jede Multimediaanwendung komplett unterstützt.
11:04.02Elive_user51Ich glaube Ubuntu Entwickler sind nicht schlauer als Thanatermesis
11:04.28AlexAnteMachinaDa wäre schon mal zu klären welche Ubuntu-version du meinst und welchen Kernel diese besitzt.
11:04.44Elive_user51die letzte Version von Ubuntu
11:04.49AlexAnteMachinaNee, schlauer nicht, aber in der Überzahl!
11:05.11Elive_user51Warum lässt er nicht andere ihm dabei zu helfen
11:05.16Elive_user51Er ist stör
11:05.24AlexAnteMachinastör?
11:05.29AlexAnteMachinaoder Stöhr?
11:06.06AlexAnteMachinaElive_user51, ich hab den Eindruck du bist etwas ungedu
11:06.17Elive_user51Stur
11:06.35AlexAnteMachinaungeduldig
11:06.39AlexAnteMachina:)
11:06.41Elive_user51heheh
11:07.07AlexAnteMachinaimmer mit der Ruhe.
11:07.13Elive_user51AlexAnteMachina, Guckmal wann GEM raußgebracht wurde?
11:07.25AlexAnteMachinaweiss ich nimmer.
11:07.25Elive_user51und seitdem habe ich diesen Bug gemeldet
11:07.33AlexAnteMachinais schon ne weile her.
11:07.53AlexAnteMachinaja, das lag nich an elive sondern an flash.
11:08.04AlexAnteMachinabzw dessen Unterstützung im Kernel.
11:08.06Elive_user51aber seitdem hat sich nicht bewegt hier, bezuglich Flash-Plugin
11:08.18AlexAnteMachinalogisch. is ja auch noch der selbe kernel.
11:08.21Elive_user51Scheiß Flash
11:08.26AlexAnteMachinajupp.
11:08.40AlexAnteMachinaflash is ne gute idee, aber die Umsetzung lässt zu wünschen übrig.
11:08.49Elive_user51aber mann kann einen anderen Kernel benutzen
11:08.55Elive_user51Upgraden
11:09.05AlexAnteMachinanich so wirklich.
11:09.12Elive_user51Warum?
11:09.21Elive_user51andere Dist. machen auch so
11:09.22AlexAnteMachinaund nen neuen kernel kompilieren solltest du nur wenn du weisst was du da machst.
11:10.15AlexAnteMachinaso, jetzt lass mich mal fix sehen ob ich den selben flash-fehler habe wie du.
11:10.17Elive_user51Ja, deshalb , sollte Thanatermesis den neuen als Packet zu verfügen stellen, damit die normale Benutzer keinen Fehlermachen
11:10.30Elive_user51ja, bitte
11:11.35AlexAnteMachinaalso ich bekomme kein vollbild. nur einen Ansatz dessen in der linken oberen Ecke.
11:11.48Elive_user51ja, das selbe bei mir
11:12.03Elive_user51und das ärgert mich sehr
11:12.24AlexAnteMachinanaja,....
11:12.27Elive_user51denn ich kann kein vernüftiges Bild kriegen
11:12.36AlexAnteMachinadu meinst kein Vollbild.
11:12.42Elive_user51ja
11:13.01Elive_user51AlexAnteMachina, wo kommst Du her?
11:15.57AlexAnteMachinaBayreuth.
11:16.09AlexAnteMachina...ich probier grad was aus... wart mal...
11:16.40Elive_user51ok
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11:30.17AlexAnteMachinaElive_user51, da müssen wir selber etwas kkompilieren.
11:30.22AlexAnteMachinaich teste das grade.
11:30.34Elive_user51ok
11:34.56AlexAnteMachinaso, lasse grade ne neue glib kompilieren.
11:35.48Elive_user51AlexAnteMachina, ich muss leider gleich weg
11:36.10AlexAnteMachinafirefox 3 benötigt nämlich gtk+2.10
11:36.11Elive_user51deshalb werde ich Dich vielleicht später hier treffen
11:36.18AlexAnteMachinaja mei.
11:36.43Elive_user51okay.... dann bis später und vielen Dank für deine Mühe
11:36.58Elive_user51ich hoffe, Du erreichst was
11:37.02Elive_user51bis später!
11:37.07Elive_user51schönes WE
11:37.10Elive_user51Tschö!
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13:25.46AlexAnteMachinaWizard, ping
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13:29.02WizardAlexAnteMachina: pong
13:29.16Elive_user9hi
13:29.30AlexAnteMachinahey Wizard
13:29.35AlexAnteMachinahow r u?
13:29.52Wizardfinr, thanks..
13:29.55Wizardbu a bit sleepy
13:29.56Wizard:P
13:29.58Wizardbut*
13:30.02Wizardhi Elive_user9
13:30.27WizardAlexAnteMachina: and you?
13:30.37AlexAnteMachinaon the phone
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14:20.54watchwolfback in Elive :p
14:22.29watchwolfThanatermesis, there ?
14:23.21Thanatermesiswatchwolf, yup
14:23.38watchwolfThanatermesis, your script get_partition.sh doesn't works :)
14:23.43Thanatermesiswatchwolf, i have a news from that /var/run/wpa* thing, it is created when i run the daemon (init.d script)
14:23.46Thanatermesis:(
14:23.52Thanatermesiswatchwolf, well, you fixed it ? :)
14:24.32watchwolfThanatermesis, the result:
14:24.32watchwolfFile descriptor 3 left open
14:24.32watchwolfFile descriptor 5 left open
14:24.33watchwolfFile descriptor 7 left open
14:24.33watchwolfFile descriptor 8 left open
14:24.37watchwolfFile descriptor 9 left open
14:24.37watchwolfFile descriptor 28 left open
14:24.40watchwolfFile descriptor 29 left open
14:24.41watchwolf/dev/sda1 /dev/sda2 /dev/sda3 /dev/sda4
14:24.44watchwolfvery strange
14:24.53Thanatermesisfile descriptor ? oh wait...
14:25.32watchwolfI test some parts of your script and it seems working
14:25.41watchwolfthe problem is vefore the semi-hardware block
14:25.42Thanatermesiswatchwolf, run the script with 2>/dev/null
14:26.22watchwolfThanatermesis, ok but your script detect /dev/sdaX
14:27.00Thanatermesiswatchwolf, with 2>/dev/null dont show them ?
14:27.23watchwolfThanatermesis, I only see /dev/sda1, /dev/sda ....
14:27.59Thanatermesisok... so put some 2>/dev/null in some commands of the script then, watchwolf
14:28.31Thanatermesislike the dmraid -r command, lvdisplay... etc
14:28.40Thanatermesisso there's one thing done :)
14:29.06Thanatermesisthen put "set -x" in the start of the script, and run it... see where it fails when try to SEE your raid disks, (verbose mode)
14:31.08watchwolfwait I tset
14:33.49Wizardhi
14:33.55Wizardwhat script are you talking about?
14:34.31ThanatermesisWizard, just a piece of a script of elive, we are trying to add a better support in detection of raid disks :) (bios mode)
14:34.40watchwolfThanatermesis, line 59, if I print listpartitions, the result is correct
14:34.40Wizardah..
14:34.44watchwolfbut the last lsitpartition is empty
14:35.13Wizardhmm.. take it from slackware or LFS
14:35.27Wizardslackware installer is a shell script
14:36.06WizardThanatermesis: elive server edition? :P
14:36.20Thanatermesishehehe Wizard, just better full support :)
14:37.20watchwolfWizard, serer doesn't need a raid support
14:37.38watchwolfthey use a pci card which does all the job
14:38.20Wizardyeah, and it's visible as one device under os :)
14:38.35watchwolfyep
14:38.49watchwolfI want a card like that, but it cost 300€ :/
14:39.06Wizardwas sysadmin for 2,5 years
14:39.23Wizardunforunately *was*
14:39.25Wizard:(
14:40.08watchwolfWizard, and now ? :)
14:40.15Wizardj2ee developer
14:40.19watchwolfhaha >.>
14:41.09Thanatermesiswatchwolf, why you want that card instead of your bios-setup ? :)
14:41.14Thanatermesisif your bios do it.. profite it
14:41.17Thanatermesisor it is better ?
14:41.28Wizardit is pr0
14:41.29Wizard:D
14:41.36watchwolfThanatermesis, because with that card I will have a better support
14:41.38Thanatermesisbtw, i use the mode raid10,f2 (software raid), that includes mirror and multiplied, at the same time
14:41.46watchwolffor example, last week I lose 5 folders in my home ....
14:41.54watchwolfa friends lost some files 5 months ago
14:41.57Thanatermesishow you lost them ?
14:42.00watchwolfthe motherboard support is crappy :D
14:42.07watchwolfThanatermesis, juste reboot :D
14:42.07Thanatermesisah...
14:42.18Thanatermesiswell, i dont use the motherboard support one, just linux software mode :)
14:42.19Wizardrotflmao
14:42.26watchwolfThanatermesis, you can't use a software raid with Windows
14:42.52Wizardhuh? really?
14:43.10watchwolfWizard, Windows can only use a fake raid (motherboard raid + driver)
14:43.17Thanatermesiswatchwolf, yes... but i dont use windows ;]
14:43.32watchwolfsi If you have 2 disk and want Windows + Linux
14:43.36ThanatermesisWizard, of course, since i have my software raid setup that is managed by linux itself
14:43.47watchwolfwindows with a raid from the bios, and Linux with a software raid
14:43.52watchwolfit's a crappy instalaltion I think :D
14:43.56Wizardwatchwolf: i thihk that Dynamic Disks support something simmilar to mdadm
14:44.10Wizard:S
14:44.13watchwolfWizard, really ? I don't know Windows a lot so ...
14:44.17Thanatermesiswatchwolf, by other side i can use a partition of these disks in single mode to have windows on it, since it is just a simple partition on a simple disk
14:44.20Wizardme neither, watchwolf
14:44.25Thanatermesisbut... i dont use crapware :)
14:44.52watchwolflast week, I search 20 minutes how the trash was ....
14:45.00Wizardmy stupid roommate forgot to close the door :/
14:45.05Wizardwhat an idiot
14:45.11Thanatermesiswatchwolf, no no, i dont use bios raid, i have just my hard disks connected there, and under linux i have configured them to work like a raid
14:45.26watchwolfThanatermesis, I know
14:46.09Thanatermesislikes raid10,f2 mode
14:47.31Thanatermesis/dev/md2:
14:47.31Thanatermesis<PROTECTED>
14:47.57WizardThanatermesis: do you use elive? :P
14:48.00Wizardhides
14:48.55ThanatermesisWizard, what do you think ? :)
14:49.04Thanatermesisof course i use it
14:50.37Thanatermesisbefore that Elive will exist, i have used debian... so now Elive is my best customized debian, what else i can use then ? :)
14:50.51Thanatermesisi use only Elive, in all the machines and for work
14:51.09Thanatermesisit fit all my needs, and if not, then is time to add a new feature lol
14:51.50watchwolfyou need a better installer :)
14:52.01Thanatermesiswhat do you mean ?
14:52.22Thanatermesisbtw see a piece of its todo lol  http://dev.elivecd.org/ticket/3
14:52.31watchwolfonly one windows :D
14:53.26watchwolfThanatermesis, I don't understand something in your script
14:54.27watchwolfhttp://debian.pastebin.com/m1c53c1c
14:54.34watchwolfThanatermesis, I added 4 echo, see ...
14:54.52watchwolfthe first echo is valid
14:55.03watchwolfthis echo is print 2 times because dmraid return 2 results
14:55.10watchwolfthen the second echo is empty, I don't understand why
14:56.00Wizardok
14:56.06Wizardgoes out for a walk
14:56.07Thanatermesisyes, multi-windows is not nice :/
14:56.15Wizardo/
14:56.21Thanatermesissee ya Wizard :)
14:56.37Thanatermesiswatchwolf, wait a bit, i have some problems with DNS... i can't connect to your paste lol
14:57.12watchwolfsome times, you have no windows display because the script do something
14:57.17watchwolfand you can think than the script is dead :D
14:57.22watchwolfvery very bad
14:57.30watchwolfdon't write a gimp installer, write a real installer :D
14:58.44Thanatermesissingle-window means to rewrite its interface, that means a lot of time/code :(
14:59.42watchwolfThanatermesis, what is the -dev package of the efl ?
15:00.11Thanatermesisthere's no
15:00.14Thanatermesisefl-all contains all :)
15:00.16Thanatermesiseverything*
15:00.28Thanatermesisyou should need better to install the package emodule-creator
15:00.37Thanatermesisin order to fill up all your possible dependencies about compiling in EFL
15:02.58Thanatermesiswatchwolf, what do you want to play with ? exalt ?
15:03.19watchwolfThanatermesis, yes I have to compil exalt
15:03.38Thanatermesiswatchwolf, so maybe i will better send you another thing in order to compile it in a package mode
15:04.05watchwolfI don't want a packager
15:04.16watchwolfI compile exalt every 30 sec when I work on it ...
15:04.22Thanatermesisi see
15:04.28Thanatermesisok so then use --prefix=/usr  :)
15:04.37Thanatermesisin order to not have conflicts
15:04.45watchwolfI use /usr every time :D
15:06.07Thanatermesiswatchwolf, about the script, we will try something better (gobby, multi-user editor), but let me see if i can fix my problems with my dns first lol)
15:06.22keyraThanatermesis: you know... everybody is welcome to translate the tarzanic to english, with just apt-get install gobby and connecting to thana.no-ip.org to edit the announcements or messages or stuff's
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15:15.36Thanatermesiswatchwolf, report about exalt: the "gateway" entry and the password entry's are removed time to time (for example clickin in disable-enable hte connection)
15:17.57watchwolfThanatermesis, http://debian.pastebin.com/m4f865e7b
15:18.03watchwolfwhat is that ? /D
15:19.19Thanatermesiswatchwolf, do you have do "apt-get install emodule-creator" ?
15:19.56watchwolfyes
15:20.21Thanatermesisso... i dont know what you are doing :)
15:20.33Thanatermesisdo you have run the autogen, right ?
15:20.57Thanatermesisbtw, install the package gobby too
15:21.12keyraThanatermesis: you know... everybody is welcome to translate the tarzanic to english, with just apt-get install gobby and connecting to thana.no-ip.org to edit the announcements or messages or stuff's
15:21.24Thanatermesisand connect your gobby session to thana.no-ip.org
15:36.07watchwolffix: http://moc.daper.net/node/352 last post
15:36.15watchwolfon Ubuntu I used libttool 2.**
15:37.16watchwolfIs there a way to use "su" as "sudo"
15:37.26watchwolfSomething like su exalt
15:43.39Thanatermesisyes you can use sudo
15:43.42Thanatermesisbut you need to configure it
15:43.48Thanatermesisadduser watchwolf sudoers
15:44.12Thanatermesisbe sure that you have this line in /etc/sudoers:
15:44.14Thanatermesis%sudo ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL
15:44.26Thanatermesisor:  adduser watchwolf sudo
15:46.04Thanatermesiswatchwolf, what you are trying to build ? the daemon ?
15:46.17watchwolfyes
15:46.20watchwolfbut it works now
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16:18.35WizardThanatermesis: do you still have problems with my (former:P) mirror?
16:20.57Thanatermesislet me try it
16:21.16Thanatermesisyes looks like
16:23.07Thanatermesiswatchwolf, do you use now "notice" ? looks good :)
16:23.17Thanatermesisjust updated
16:25.02Thanatermesiswatchwolf, by other side i dont stop to receive messages lol (disconnected, connected... disconnected, connected... )
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16:37.56Thanatermesiswatchwolf, maybe is my connection, i lost packets ping'in to google, i dont know the reason... looks like my ISP
16:38.42Pacmais back (gone 06:21:54)
16:40.26Pacmais away: No estoy
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17:57.02AlexAnteMachinaCaniquantel+
17:57.46AlexAnteMachinaheiliger Bimbam!
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19:10.34Wizard:D:D:D
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21:05.07Elive_user27_eshola
21:05.22keyraElive_user27_es: que tal ?
21:05.51Elive_user27_estodo bien, probando el elive xD
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