| 00:02.13 | afner | Hello |
| 00:10.30 | Wizard | hi afner |
| 00:11.27 | afner | Hi wizard |
| 00:11.35 | afner | how are you? |
| 00:11.50 | Wizard | sleepy |
| 00:11.59 | afner | I see |
| 00:12.09 | afner | where are you located? |
| 00:12.14 | Wizard | Poland |
| 00:12.27 | Wizard | 2pm here |
| 00:12.36 | afner | wow youre like 8 hours ahead of me |
| 00:12.56 | Wizard | so i guess you're somewhere in America |
| 00:13.01 | afner | yeah |
| 00:13.06 | afner | Costa Rica |
| 00:14.01 | Wizard | heh, i can name only one city there |
| 00:14.04 | Wizard | San Jose |
| 00:16.00 | afner | haha yeah |
| 00:16.13 | afner | our Capital |
| 00:16.29 | Wizard | :D |
| 00:16.29 | afner | I know some there, Warsow |
| 00:16.29 | afner | or Varsovia |
| 00:16.33 | afner | as we call it in spanish |
| 00:16.38 | Wizard | or Warszawa |
| 00:16.46 | Wizard | as we call it in polish |
| 00:16.57 | afner | we were rivals in the last world cup |
| 00:17.16 | Wizard | naaah! i remember! :D |
| 00:17.16 | afner | Warsawa...mm cool! I will call it like that from now on! |
| 00:18.39 | Wizard | i wonder what happened with all elivers from USA |
| 00:19.04 | Wizard | there were few of them :P |
| 00:19.57 | afner | I am building a new rig to re install elive |
| 00:20.15 | afner | but I am debating it install gem or the new releases |
| 00:21.33 | Wizard | gem is pretty old |
| 00:21.49 | Wizard | it was released about 2 years ago, iirc |
| 00:22.49 | afner | yeah i knpw |
| 00:22.58 | afner | the cd i got is 2 yr old |
| 00:23.52 | afner | but i dont want an ustable one |
| 00:24.00 | afner | and the parts are old |
| 00:24.10 | afner | :) |
| 00:25.41 | Wizard | hehe, but i think if gem support all you need.. than go ahead :D |
| 00:25.51 | afner | yeah |
| 00:25.59 | Wizard | i'm testing new safari right now :P |
| 00:26.06 | afner | i'll try it |
| 00:26.16 | afner | safari? the browser? |
| 00:26.47 | Wizard | yes |
| 00:26.59 | Wizard | is a nasty os x user ;) |
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| 00:36.39 | afner | haha |
| 00:36.44 | afner | OS X is fine |
| 00:36.53 | afner | my bro is a Mac Junkie |
| 00:37.04 | Wizard | hehe, i'm not |
| 00:37.14 | Wizard | i just use powerbook |
| 00:37.20 | Wizard | at work i have linux |
| 00:37.21 | Wizard | :P |
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| 00:39.42 | Wizard | hmm.. my gf haven't returned yet, i'm really worried about her |
| 00:41.21 | afner | where did she go man? |
| 00:41.52 | Wizard | to some party |
| 00:41.58 | afner | wow call her |
| 00:42.51 | Wizard | i did, about two hours ago |
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| 02:00.06 | afner | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:41.48 | afner_ | there |
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| 04:58.03 | elmo40 | i am planning a trip to Europe. anyone near Estonia? |
| 04:58.13 | elmo40 | i know someone is from finland... |
| 04:59.03 | elmo40 | !wasynyt |
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| 05:28.12 | Elive_user35 | hey guys |
| 05:28.20 | Elive_user35 | anyone alive out there |
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| 06:06.23 | Elive_user27_es | heii0 |
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| 07:43.28 | AlexAnteMachina | hey ho |
| 07:43.38 | AlexAnteMachina | PrinceAMD, ping |
| 07:44.59 | AlexAnteMachina | ping? |
| 07:45.07 | AlexAnteMachina | ping ping? |
| 07:45.14 | AlexAnteMachina | ping ping ping? |
| 07:45.28 | AlexAnteMachina | ping ping ping ping ping ping ping? |
| 07:45.35 | AlexAnteMachina | PING!!! |
| 07:45.45 | AlexAnteMachina | PING PING PING PING! |
| 07:46.22 | AlexAnteMachina | broke the bell |
| 07:46.24 | AlexAnteMachina | damn... |
| 07:46.39 | AlexAnteMachina | is exhausted now |
| 07:58.34 | AlexAnteMachina | mennooooo..... PING ey! |
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| 08:14.27 | Elive_user89_en | 555 |
| 08:14.34 | Elive_user89_en | hi |
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| 10:32.41 | Elive_user91_de | Hi Thanatermesis |
| 10:33.18 | FreeEagle | Hi all |
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| 10:58.28 | Elive_user72 | hello |
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| 11:49.58 | rubasub | hi, anyone running kdenlive out there in elive world? |
| 11:56.22 | elmo40 | rubasub: where do you get kdenlive? |
| 11:59.36 | elmo40 | rubasub: and why would we want to install a kde app? all those libraries! :/ |
| 11:59.46 | elmo40 | cinelerra rocks |
| 12:00.00 | keyra | elmo40: cinelerra r0cks! |
| 12:07.15 | rubasub | elmo http://www.kdenlive.org/user-manual/downloading-and-installing-kdenlive/live-demonstration-dvd-or-usb-storage |
| 12:07.53 | elmo40 | ya, saw that. |
| 12:08.00 | elmo40 | you took too long, so i googled :P |
| 12:08.50 | rubasub | cinelarra may rock but kdenlive is the closest thing I've see to pro tools and the only version I could download from elive repo was version 0.4.something |
| 12:09.04 | keyra | rubasub: Elive Gem roolz! I hope you are using the one from the website of Elive... apparently a modified ISO exists on the net with porn, adds, and crappy things, maybe that hacked ISO removes all your hard disk lol |
| 12:09.08 | rubasub | kdenlive is upto 0.7.4 |
| 12:10.12 | rubasub | keyra I'm running Gem but the vid/graphics card app maybe unstable |
| 12:10.21 | elmo40 | then download 0.7.4! |
| 12:10.29 | elmo40 | and i dont even see kdenlive in the repo! |
| 12:11.12 | Wizard | http://www.demotywatory.pl/komentarze/2951#komentarze :D:D:D |
| 12:11.22 | rubasub | elmo, I think 7.4 has to be built from downloaded packages and I'm not too techi |
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| 12:20.54 | elmo40 | rubasub: it will be a pain. kde demands millions of libraries :/ |
| 12:20.58 | elmo40 | but you can try! |
| 12:21.14 | elmo40 | when you ./configure it will stop at what you dont have ;) |
| 12:21.26 | elmo40 | one by one... or check their site, it should have info |
| 12:22.38 | rubasub | elmo40 I need a stable enviiroment to run kdenlive and don't even want the 7.4...7.2or3 willd do but not 0.4.2 |
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| 12:49.49 | elmo40 | rubasub: then use kubuntu. |
| 12:51.08 | rubasub | elmo40 you're right, that's what I'm thinking. I've spent years trying to avoid kde but I need a standard video editing package |
| 12:54.14 | elmo40 | what does cinelerra not have that kdenlive does? |
| 12:54.28 | keyra | elmo40: cinelerra r0cks! |
| 12:55.55 | rubasub | elmo40 I've never understood cinelarra but kdenlive was regular |
| 12:57.12 | rubasub | it displays timelines clearly and aims to render to usable formats ie youtube etc...but that's if I can install a decent version of the thing |
| 12:57.32 | elmo40 | then USE cinelerra. |
| 12:57.38 | rubasub | lol |
| 12:57.41 | elmo40 | that is not a valid argument, my friend |
| 12:58.05 | elmo40 | all the videos from Thanatermesis on youtube are made with cinelerra. |
| 12:59.15 | rubasub | ok, when cinelarra opens you face a red page with lines on it...can one drag files onto them, if you can I'm just not getting it and need to learn |
| 13:00.05 | Thanatermesis | press the "o" key in the timeline, then select your files and select the option "create resources only" |
| 13:00.12 | Thanatermesis | see http://cinelerra.org/docs/wiki/doku.php?id=english_manual:cinelerra_cv_en_24 |
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| 13:59.19 | elmo40 | Wizard: tere |
| 13:59.30 | elmo40 | i am heading to Estonia next month, via Helsinki. |
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| 14:52.18 | Elive_user97 | google |
| 14:52.42 | Elive_user97 | firefox mozzilla |
| 14:53.14 | Elive_user97 | mozzilla |
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| 15:24.46 | Elive_user1 | ey |
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| 15:54.01 | MEETmou | hey! under fedora rawhide (e16) there was a button for searching themes on a webportal in the themesmanager.. is that generally missing or do i have to install some kind of module? now im using elive e17 (: |
| 15:54.15 | keyra | MEETmou: "apt-cache search e17 theme" and "apt-get install packagename" to install it |
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| 16:12.13 | Elive_user72_fr | hello |
| 16:12.25 | MEETmou | is away: outside.. |
| 16:12.59 | LSc | elive works properly but i don't have wifi |
| 16:13.13 | keyra | LSc: If your wifi is not supported by Elive, report it at http://bugs.elivecd.org and we look how to add the support to Elive by default :) |
| 16:13.44 | LSc | i think there is my wifi pilot on intellinuxwireless.org |
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| 16:13.55 | LSc | but i don't know how to install it |
| 16:14.37 | MEETmou | if they have a .deb-file use this (: just download and install it by doubleclicking |
| 16:14.51 | LSc | it's a tgz file |
| 16:15.20 | LSc | i don't find the .deb |
| 16:15.32 | MEETmou | unpack it.. cd to the folder.. ./configure; make; make instal |
| 16:15.39 | MEETmou | have to easve.. sorry |
| 16:17.28 | LSc | in the folder after unpack, there is 3*ucode files |
| 16:19.53 | LSc | how to install this ucode file |
| 16:26.38 | LSc | i think i find how to |
| 16:26.42 | LSc | thanks |
| 16:26.45 | LSc | bye |
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| 17:09.07 | elmo40 | MEETmou: e17 is nothing like e16. i doubt there will be a 'button' to search for themes. |
| 17:09.11 | elmo40 | would be nice to have, though ;) |
| 17:10.18 | MEETmou | elmo40, thanks for this answer (: |
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| 17:50.46 | Elive_user41_pl | hello |
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| 18:10.25 | Elive_user47_en | is away: Screenshot of Elive: http://elivecd.org/Main/Screenshots |
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| 18:21.47 | MEETmou | and again.. translated new parts for elive *proud* .. seems like most parts have been translated automaticly.. so this had to be done.. sounded terrible xD |
| 18:22.01 | keyra | MEETmou: eltrans is the Elive translator tool, a very easy and guided way to made translations for Elive (and e17 too), it sends automatically your translations, you can download it from http://us.repository.elive-systems.com/pool/main/e/eltrans/ , ask me about poedit before to use eltrans |
| 18:29.24 | Thanatermesis | MEETmou, yes, most of them are automatically translated |
| 18:29.45 | Thanatermesis | the thing is: if there's no a translation, do an automated translation and mark it as "fuzzy" (fuzzy = needs revision) |
| 18:30.30 | Thanatermesis | so, basically all the messages in the top of the list (with a different color), that they are the ones that eltrans says "needs X-number-of updates", are messages that needs a revision |
| 18:30.36 | Thanatermesis | if they are OK, just click in the Cloud |
| 18:30.44 | keyra | Thanatermesis: eltrans is the Elive translator tool, a very easy and guided way to made translations for Elive (and e17 too), it sends automatically your translations, you can download it from http://us.repository.elive-systems.com/pool/main/e/eltrans/ , ask me about poedit before to use eltrans |
| 18:34.18 | MEETmou | Thanatermesis, yes (: Thats what I did all the time (: There are some parts translated very well and other.. Omg Oo it translated file with key for example.. Dont know how this can happen |
| 18:35.00 | Thanatermesis | MEETmou, i think that the biggest problem is the original ENGLISH messages, if they are wrong, all the translations are wrong |
| 18:35.31 | Thanatermesis | there's also tools for fix the original english of the applications, but users needs to fix it via eltrans by selecting language "en" too, first |
| 18:35.33 | MEETmou | Thanatermesis, are the elive-specific english texts by you/elive? |
| 18:35.35 | Thanatermesis | looks at elmo40 |
| 18:35.43 | elmo40 | what did i do now? :P |
| 18:35.46 | Thanatermesis | by me, yes |
| 18:35.54 | Thanatermesis | elmo40, im talking about the tarzanic of the Elive applications |
| 18:38.46 | MEETmou | hm .. I hate my buggy sd-card reader.. i was never able to use it under any linux-distribution (i have an eee 701) but under windows it works fine Oo so it cant be a defect of the slot itself can it? |
| 18:39.00 | keyra | MEETmou: Elive doesn't like Windows, don't use it. It's garbage and will only cause problems |
| 18:40.12 | Thanatermesis | MEETmou, need update bios |
| 18:40.15 | Thanatermesis | firmware bios |
| 18:40.28 | Thanatermesis | keyra, yeah :D |
| 18:40.56 | Thanatermesis | MEETmou, how to update firmware ? ask that on #eeepc |
| 18:41.19 | MEETmou | its not surprising that the one who propably coded keyra does agree with her xD but thanks for this tipp Thanatermesis :) |
| 18:41.33 | keyra | MEETmou: welcome :) |
| 18:41.44 | Thanatermesis | well, keyra is right :) like ATI is a very problematic graphic card too |
| 18:42.35 | MEETmou | well i agree with that.. but a good and stable working photoshop and cinema 4d is only possible under windows.. and damn.. i need them :D |
| 18:44.05 | Thanatermesis | MEETmou, the fault of that are these software-sellers that' DOESNT have a version for linux (maybe not for MACOSX too), since the source is not opened you can't compile your version of cinema4 for linux |
| 18:44.50 | Thanatermesis | by other side, see Maya, the most professional 3d design software... it has versions for linux |
| 18:45.17 | MEETmou | Thanatermesis, yees.. sure. but sadly thats how the thinks are/work.. you have to arrange with that. and using windows is a very easy way to do this ;) |
| 18:45.23 | Thanatermesis | what about use gimp instead of photoshop (ok, not that good) and blender than cinema4d ? |
| 18:46.43 | Thanatermesis | MEETmou, yes but windows is a nest of problems and stress, do you have tried to install them under wine ? |
| 18:46.43 | MEETmou | it really has? thats new to me.. I tried to get into blender but .. hm .. it seams to be not as userfriendly as cinema.. and gimp is just :-# |
| 18:46.57 | Thanatermesis | gimp is maybe poor than photoshop, but blender is fully powered :) and also very light |
| 18:47.20 | Thanatermesis | yes, a friend uses Maya under linux by these versions for linux |
| 18:47.52 | Thanatermesis | MEETmou, you have some nice bookmarks about blender (and gimp) in your firefox bookmarks (a nice selection for Elive :)) |
| 18:47.54 | MEETmou | hmm.. have to look this up. maya has greaat documentation too |
| 18:48.35 | MEETmou | Thanatermesis, yees.. noticed that already xD very helpfull links |
| 18:49.18 | Thanatermesis | but maya is expensive, if you want to use it professionally (to work with) |
| 18:51.55 | MEETmou | sadly.. yes. they should bring a version to get into it.. they have a trial but hm.. nobody would spend so much money (or nearly nobody) just for somekind of hobby.. i think there wouldnt be so many people using it illegaly if it would be cheaper.. blender shows that this is possible |
| 18:54.54 | Thanatermesis | yes, with blender you can do very professional things without need to pay a big price for a legal use |
| 19:17.08 | elmo40 | exactly! |
| 19:17.16 | elmo40 | just learn it :/ quite difficult for me anyways |
| 19:17.28 | elmo40 | it is similar to 3D studio Max |
| 19:17.33 | elmo40 | and used in MANY movies! |
| 19:17.44 | MEETmou | very sad that e has not so many themes.. ._. |
| 19:18.00 | elmo40 | When deleting files from linux can they ever be recovered? |
| 19:18.38 | MEETmou | elmo40, yeah.. like big buck bunny and durian xD .. but shrek was made in maya.. and final fantasy VII in cinema *_* |
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| 19:44.13 | MEETmou | I want to install elive on my girlfriends laptop.. Her bios isnt able to boot from usb.. but i dont have any empty cd-r's,, is it possible to install/start elive out of debian? xD |
| 19:44.27 | keyra | MEETmou: There is a pretty nice howto written by thana about how to have the livecd on a usb stick: http://www.elivecd.org/Help/FAQ/boot-elive-from-usb |
| 19:57.26 | Thanatermesis | <MEETmou> very sad that e has not so many themes.. ._. |
| 19:57.33 | Thanatermesis | what about do you one yourself ? :)= |
| 19:57.41 | Thanatermesis | looks like you have designer knowledges |
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| 19:59.11 | Thanatermesis | MEETmou, see way's to boot Elive: |
| 19:59.15 | Thanatermesis | keyra elive howtos |
| 19:59.26 | Thanatermesis | <elmo40> When deleting files from linux can they ever be recovered? |
| 19:59.29 | Thanatermesis | only with ext2 |
| 19:59.31 | keyra | Thanatermesis: tips and tricks, gifts for chirstmas! http://www.elivecd.org/Help/Howto/ |
| 19:59.40 | MEETmou | Thanatermesis, yes thats true (: i already made a label for the gem-cd and are planning to do labels for the other versions of elive too :) but for themes i have to lean everything about making them.. and i feel soo lazy right now :D |
| 19:59.44 | Thanatermesis | instead, you should use a "layer" before the deletion.. like the trash under the filemanagers |
| 20:00.29 | Thanatermesis | MEETmou, which labels ? |
| 20:01.08 | Thanatermesis | MEETmou, lazy ? hehe, sounds very like you don't know about EDJE (edje is on why are made the e17 themes), so because you will be that amazed that the word is not "lazy" but "addicted" lol |
| 20:03.43 | Thanatermesis | http://wiki.enlightenment.org/index.php/Edje |
| 20:04.38 | MEETmou | Thanatermesis, lol xD will experience this soon :D .. About the labes: I made labels (for printing onto the cd) in colored and greyscale-versions because im using lightscribe to label my cds (: posted the finished thing in the users corner inside the forum and on e17-stuff |
| 20:04.43 | MEETmou | thanks for the link |
| 20:04.54 | Thanatermesis | MEETmou, in your firefox bookmarks: enlightenment -> code -> introduction to the libs, you will found a better "introduction" to edje and his power |
| 20:04.59 | Thanatermesis | how it works* |
| 20:05.50 | Thanatermesis | MEETmou, if you are a impatient guy that wants to play with e17 modules, then i recommend you to try "emodule-creator" :) you will build your own module in less than 1 minute (yes, less than 1 minute) |
| 20:05.59 | MEETmou | great (: thank you Thanatermesis |
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| 20:08.10 | Thanatermesis | the label looks nice :) |
| 20:11.01 | MEETmou | Thanatermesis, thanks a lot (: .. by the way extracting the hdd is a nice idea for installing elive xD but isnt it possible to say grub (it is allready on my laptop) via the commandline (c): boot from usb? *googling* |
| 20:11.17 | keyra | MEETmou: There is a pretty nice howto written by thana about how to have the livecd on a usb stick: http://www.elivecd.org/Help/FAQ/boot-elive-from-usb |
| 20:12.31 | Thanatermesis | MEETmou, yes, but by using the Elive vmlinuz (kernel) and initrd, so that put the option "boot=eli" in the boot parameters |
| 20:12.53 | Thanatermesis | so if you can copy these files to somewhere and point grub to boot from these files... and then with that boot parameter added |
| 20:13.21 | Thanatermesis | MEETmou, if you have success, tell me it and i will add a new Howto' entry for this easiest way |
| 20:13.39 | Thanatermesis | so write me the steps that you have needed to do |
| 20:16.02 | MEETmou | ah thats no problem.. so first i copy the kernelfiles to my debian.. somewhere like .\elive .. then i restart and promt the commandline in grub with c.. or better i edit the debian-line with e, change the vmlinuz and so on to the ones of elive, add the parameter boot=eli and with the usb-plugged in it should work, right? |
| 20:16.17 | keyra | MEETmou: If you have boot problems try to play with the init boot kernel parameters, specially with APM and ACPI parameters: http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/gregkh/lkn/lkn_pdf/ch09.pdf Also try to boot from usb |
| 20:16.26 | Thanatermesis | hum.... |
| 20:16.45 | Thanatermesis | so: open the ISO of Elive and get the vmlinuz and initrd files from it, put them to your /boot debian system |
| 20:16.57 | Thanatermesis | then edit the grub of your debian and put a new section, with using these files instead of the debian ones |
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| 20:17.21 | Thanatermesis | also add the boot parameter "boot=eli", and that's all, reboot and select this entry :) |
| 20:17.27 | Thanatermesis | it should work without problems |
| 20:17.39 | MEETmou | okay thanksss.. great support :D |
| 20:17.51 | Thanatermesis | just having your USB plugged it will scan your computer by searching it (or a cd with elive) |
| 20:17.51 | Thanatermesis | hehe |
| 20:28.50 | MEETmou | by the way.. if you plan to make the website aviable in other languages, i would be willing to make a german translation. i think the howtos and faq are very helpfull and they would be even more if they were in several languages (: |
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| 20:31.32 | Elive_user58 | hi |
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| 20:37.41 | Thanatermesis | MEETmou, im thinkin in make the website translated by google translator, is the best option (yes, with a widget) |
| 20:37.47 | Thanatermesis | this means that you can correct the translation too |
| 20:38.03 | Thanatermesis | website translated with google translator has popups saying "suggest better translation" |
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| 20:38.22 | MEETmou | ah.. thats cool. didnt knew this feature |
| 20:39.32 | Thanatermesis | example: http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=hp&hl=en&js=n&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.elivecd.org%2FDownload%2FStable&sl=en&tl=de&history_state0=&swap=1&swap=1 |
| 20:39.47 | keyra | Thanatermesis: eltrans is the Elive translator tool, a very easy and guided way to made translations for Elive (and e17 too), it sends automatically your translations, you can download it from http://us.repository.elive-systems.com/pool/main/e/eltrans/ , ask me about poedit before to use eltrans |
| 20:44.50 | MEETmou | and who checks the suggestions? |
| 20:45.45 | Thanatermesis | im not sure how this part works |
| 20:45.54 | Thanatermesis | maybe they are directly replaced, or maybe they are checked first |
| 20:46.02 | Thanatermesis | MEETmou, what is your email ? .de or .com ? |
| 20:46.16 | Thanatermesis | (going to remove one of the duplicated entry's in the collaborators form) |
| 20:47.01 | MEETmou | they are not automaticly replaced.. i tried it xD uhhm.. moment.. i allways forget this -.- |
| 20:47.33 | MEETmou | but the id with MEETmou is the one i use |
| 20:49.05 | Thanatermesis | mmmh, not good :þ |
| 20:49.11 | Thanatermesis | meetmow uses .de that not exists |
| 20:49.18 | Thanatermesis | me3tmow uses .com |
| 20:50.01 | MEETmou | but but but.. at meetmou i have changed my email and i also recieved mails Oo .. and only meetmou is activated i think.. under meetmou i uploaded translations |
| 20:50.40 | Thanatermesis | hum... ok |
| 20:52.01 | Thanatermesis | brb |
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| 21:09.57 | MEETmou | is away: going to bed |
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| 21:27.16 | Thanatermesis | ok, time to build the new iso for tomorrow :) |
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