| 01:26.28 | elmo40 | ya, slitaz was a nice distro. i liked it |
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| 05:21.17 | Black-Deimos | Buenas |
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| 06:13.06 | Elive_user10 | alguie sabe como usar el amsn |
| 06:13.29 | Elive_user10 | y como bajar java en elive 17 |
| 06:13.37 | Black-Deimos | ? |
| 06:14.07 | Black-Deimos | Elive_user10 tienes Ecomorph? |
| 06:14.39 | Elive_user10 | hola instale elivegem hace poco |
| 06:14.49 | Elive_user10 | y aun no manejo sus aplicaciones |
| 06:14.53 | keyra | Elive_user10: que tal ? |
| 06:15.00 | Black-Deimos | que versión? |
| 06:15.14 | Elive_user10 | estoy recien conociendo esta version de linux |
| 06:16.18 | Black-Deimos | ps no sé, pero con que presionbes <control> <A> puedes iniciar el amsn |
| 06:17.06 | Black-Deimos | a que te refieres con bajar Java? |
| 06:17.13 | Elive_user10 | lo abro pero no se conecta....y con gaim no tengo problemas pero es muy basico |
| 06:17.34 | Elive_user10 | lo q pasa que no puedo ver los videos en youtube |
| 06:18.05 | Black-Deimos | que version de Elive tienes ps man ? |
| 06:18.24 | Black-Deimos | deberias poder ver youtube |
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| 06:19.59 | AlexAnteMachina | good morning! |
| 06:20.55 | AlexAnteMachina | Wizard, o/ |
| 06:21.06 | Elive_user10 | tengo elive Gem |
| 06:21.24 | Elive_user10 | lo instale desde una distro cd live |
| 06:22.07 | Black-Deimos | ok y que preblemas sigues teniendo? |
| 06:22.37 | Black-Deimos | con confianza che :) |
| 06:23.25 | Elive_user10 | mira tengo problemas para bajar archivos work |
| 06:23.31 | Elive_user10 | excel |
| 06:23.33 | Black-Deimos | joder me equivoque mas arribita :) |
| 06:23.34 | Elive_user10 | pdf |
| 06:23.59 | Elive_user10 | elive es lo mejor pero aun no me familiarizo |
| 06:24.11 | Black-Deimos | has instalado Elive? |
| 06:24.27 | Elive_user10 | necesito bajas informacion para mis trabajos en el U |
| 06:24.35 | Black-Deimos | instalate OpenOffice |
| 06:24.37 | Elive_user10 | si ya lo instale |
| 06:24.50 | Elive_user10 | por lo q he visto |
| 06:25.00 | Elive_user10 | lo trae incorporadoelofiice |
| 06:25.03 | Elive_user10 | office |
| 06:25.20 | Black-Deimos | Abiword, pero OpenOffice no |
| 06:25.28 | Elive_user10 | trae abiwork |
| 06:25.48 | Elive_user10 | pero baje el bonus cd |
| 06:25.56 | Black-Deimos | mira amigo, entra en synaptic e instala OpenOffice |
| 06:25.58 | Elive_user10 | que trae esa aplicacion |
| 06:26.03 | Elive_user10 | lo descarge |
| 06:26.12 | Elive_user10 | lo hare |
| 07:02.42 | Elive_user10 | no hay caso....trate de bajar synaptic...y me envia error.. |
| 07:02.55 | Elive_user10 | bueno mañana seguire intentando |
| 07:03.07 | Black-Deimos | Elive_user10 |
| 07:03.11 | Elive_user10 | gracias por la ayuda |
| 07:03.21 | Black-Deimos | eh ok |
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| 12:48.19 | she_dyed | anybody here been using elive for a while? |
| 12:49.06 | p1asma | yes |
| 12:49.24 | she_dyed | i've been using it too, which came first? |
| 12:49.29 | she_dyed | elive 4.2 or GEM? |
| 12:49.47 | p1asma | you mean 0.4.2? |
| 12:50.06 | she_dyed | thats probably what i meant yes :) |
| 12:50.24 | p1asma | gem is 0.5 i think |
| 12:50.35 | p1asma | so you can answer the question yourself ;) |
| 12:50.49 | she_dyed | thats good enough thanks plasma :) |
| 12:50.58 | p1asma | np |
| 12:52.46 | p1asma | she_dyed: or no |
| 12:52.49 | p1asma | i was wrong |
| 12:53.00 | p1asma | gem is actually 1.0 |
| 12:53.21 | she_dyed | that makes sense come to think of it |
| 12:53.43 | she_dyed | i havent booted any of these yet |
| 12:54.03 | she_dyed | the bootup and splash screens are the giveaway |
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| 12:55.30 | elilo | Hola Thanatermesis |
| 12:55.33 | elilo | :) |
| 12:55.58 | elilo | Thanatermesis: tengo una notica sobre el driver wifi |
| 12:56.11 | elilo | Thanatermesis: no es por ndiswrapper |
| 12:56.22 | elilo | pude andar con el driver wl |
| 12:56.48 | elilo | asi puedes mi blog sobre de eso, http://lilo78.wordpress.com |
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| 12:57.43 | elilo | mateando y comiendo galletas |
| 12:57.49 | elmo40 | Thanatermesis: grr... i guess i will install latest dev. |
| 12:57.59 | elmo40 | but i may have hardware problems. is the CPU supposed to be 71C ?? |
| 12:58.12 | elilo | elmo40: cpufreq? |
| 12:58.26 | elilo | amd or intel? |
| 12:58.33 | elmo40 | os[Linux 2.6.29.4-elive-686 - Debian 5.0.1] up[ 1 hours, 05 minutes] cpu[Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz SMP (2 processors), 2999.932 MHz (11999.59 bogomips)] mem[ 253.28/2025.89 MB (12.5%)] video[ at 1440x900 (32 bits)] |
| 12:58.38 | elmo40 | P4 |
| 12:58.47 | keyra | elmo40: Debian is the SH%$T my friend ! |
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| 12:59.24 | elilo | oh... |
| 12:59.38 | elmo40 | dont have cpufreq installed... |
| 12:59.52 | elilo | howto cpufreq in google xD |
| 13:00.05 | kc | he |
| 13:00.11 | kc | hey |
| 13:01.15 | she_dyed | whasup |
| 13:02.49 | kc | has anyone tried the new compiz release? |
| 13:03.22 | she_dyed | not me, am still at prior release |
| 13:04.30 | Thanatermesis | hi kc |
| 13:04.35 | kc | hey |
| 13:04.48 | Thanatermesis | <elmo40> but i may have hardware problems. is the CPU supposed to be 71C ?? |
| 13:04.54 | elilo | Thanatermesis: funciona muy bien para broadcom 4312 |
| 13:04.55 | Thanatermesis | that's a high value |
| 13:05.02 | Thanatermesis | some computers has this value as "normal" |
| 13:05.11 | Thanatermesis | specially medium AMD's |
| 13:05.14 | kc | Thanatermesis, that is very high |
| 13:05.19 | Thanatermesis | i recommend you a better cooler |
| 13:05.23 | Thanatermesis | hola elilo ! |
| 13:05.37 | keyra | Thanatermesis: que tal ? |
| 13:05.40 | elilo | :) |
| 13:05.53 | Thanatermesis | kc, yes, it is very high |
| 13:06.22 | elilo | callate perra! keyra |
| 13:06.37 | Thanatermesis | lol |
| 13:06.43 | elilo | perra, sucia y bocaza mal aliento! |
| 13:06.54 | Thanatermesis | lol |
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| 13:07.26 | Thanatermesis | mira la has enfadado xD |
| 13:07.30 | elilo | xD |
| 13:08.08 | Thanatermesis | usb-bootable-elive - tool to create usb sticks bootables with Elive |
| 13:08.22 | keyra | Thanatermesis: There is a pretty nice howto written by thana about how to have the livecd on a usb stick: http://www.elivecd.org/Help/Howto/boot-elive-from-usb |
| 13:08.26 | kc | Thanatermesis, the new elive compiz reformated my drive :) |
| 13:08.33 | kc | Thanatermesis, even with the upgrade option |
| 13:08.50 | kc | Thanatermesis, no settings were restored |
| 13:09.40 | Thanatermesis | kc, define reformated |
| 13:09.49 | Thanatermesis | you have not saved all your users with passwords ? |
| 13:10.02 | kc | Thanatermesis, mkfs.ext3 root partition and swap |
| 13:10.24 | kc | Thanatermesis, I thought you said that it can upgrade without formating disk? |
| 13:10.48 | Thanatermesis | of course |
| 13:11.05 | Thanatermesis | the installer doesn't has tell you "i have found an old Elive system.... do you want to upgrade it...?" ? |
| 13:11.27 | kc | Thanatermesis, The installer said "i have found an old Elive system.... do you want to upgrade it...?" |
| 13:11.35 | kc | Thanatermesis, BUT, it formated anyways |
| 13:11.54 | she_dyed | maybe it sat in the same partition as /home? |
| 13:12.11 | Thanatermesis | kc, mmmh. that not sounds very correct at all |
| 13:12.13 | kc | she_dyed, What do you mean? |
| 13:12.23 | kc | Thanatermesis, try it yourself.. but please backup first |
| 13:12.43 | Thanatermesis | she_dyed, there's long time that Elive doesn't require the extra /home for the upgrade mode, it does the upgrade mode for any structured system now |
| 13:12.43 | she_dyed | kc do you keep /home and other data sseparate from elive sys? |
| 13:12.47 | kc | Thanatermesis, I tried in auto and normal mode |
| 13:12.54 | kc | she_dyed, yes |
| 13:13.14 | she_dyed | wait ignore me then based on Thanatermesis's responese |
| 13:13.16 | Thanatermesis | kc, i use ALLWAYS this feature on all my tests on the virtualmachine (and real computers), and these days i have do a LOT of them |
| 13:13.29 | Thanatermesis | kc, mmmh, tell me your structure install (mountpoints) |
| 13:13.32 | Thanatermesis | and format |
| 13:13.51 | kc | /dev/sda1 / |
| 13:13.56 | kc | /dev/sda2 /home |
| 13:14.03 | kc | /dev/sda5 /swap |
| 13:14.08 | kc | thats it |
| 13:14.36 | elmo40 | i really need to make my own case. |
| 13:14.54 | elmo40 | everything i see sucks for airflow (or they cost $400+ ) |
| 13:15.09 | keyra | elmo40: The first thing to do if anything sucks is to report it to http://bugs.elivecd.org ! Or do you think things might get fixed magically without anybody knowing?? |
| 13:15.12 | kc | elmo40, for desktop? |
| 13:15.51 | kc | Thanatermesis, Can you please try to install it on a real computer not a virtual machine? |
| 13:16.19 | elmo40 | analyzing CPU 0: no or unknown cpufreq driver is active on this CPU |
| 13:16.20 | elmo40 | analyzing CPU 1: no or unknown cpufreq driver is active on this CPU |
| 13:16.31 | elmo40 | no cpu driver? :/ |
| 13:16.40 | kc | Thanatermesis, it took me all weekend to recover.. and I am still not done :) |
| 13:16.54 | elilo | elmo40: modprobe acpi_cpufreq |
| 13:17.03 | elilo | elmo40: modprobe cpufreq_conservative |
| 13:17.21 | elilo | elmo40: modprobe cpufreq_ondemand; modprobe cpufreq_powersave |
| 13:17.27 | elilo | cpufreq-info |
| 13:17.48 | elmo40 | no acpi_cpufreq for this kernel (thana...) |
| 13:17.56 | elilo | :S |
| 13:18.16 | elmo40 | Module cpufreq_ondemand not found. |
| 13:18.42 | elilo | elmo40: slocate ondemand | grep .ko |
| 13:19.03 | elmo40 | nope |
| 13:19.05 | elmo40 | not this kernel |
| 13:19.11 | Thanatermesis | kc, i install on real computers one time per 2 weeks aprox. but should be the same |
| 13:19.20 | Thanatermesis | ok ill try it after... but in a virtualmachine :) |
| 13:19.31 | Thanatermesis | if there's any problem it should appear by this structure of /home... idk |
| 13:19.51 | elilo | elmo40: use kernel debian squeeze |
| 13:20.10 | Thanatermesis | kc, that's very sad :/ but... it doesn't has tell you that it is going to FORMAT the partition ? it should show this message at every time that wants to format one |
| 13:20.11 | elmo40 | and where do i find that? |
| 13:20.48 | elilo | apt: en es x and where do i find that? |
| 13:21.05 | elilo | Thanatermesis: el apt no traduce mas? |
| 13:21.56 | kc | Thanatermesis, do you mean that formating is optional? |
| 13:23.10 | kc | Thanatermesis, cause when I keep going into the installation it without asking me gives me window of What format do you want to use for your root partition in long window with JFS,reiserfs,... ext3 |
| 13:23.18 | Thanatermesis | kc, mmh, well, before to do any format it says "im going to format the partition X, the data will be lost, do you want to continue ?" |
| 13:23.32 | kc | Yes, it said that for swap |
| 13:23.42 | kc | Thanatermesis, so what was I supposed to do? |
| 13:23.52 | kc | Thanatermesis, say no.. The computer would ZAP me :) |
| 13:24.02 | Thanatermesis | mmh i dont know :/ |
| 13:24.50 | Thanatermesis | can you describe in a PV me the aprox. steps that you have do in the installer ? i will try to reproduce the problem (after to eat) |
| 13:25.30 | elilo | elmo40: usa repositorio debian squeeze |
| 13:25.44 | keyra | elilo: Debian repos are included BY DEFAULT on Elive :), but don't modify the repositories of Elive, that's a ugly thing that broke systems |
| 13:28.25 | elilo | keyra: callate reputisima madre calcuta de hijo anticristo! |
| 13:39.02 | Thanatermesis | ok im here |
| 13:39.05 | Thanatermesis | kc, tell me |
| 13:41.29 | kc | hey |
| 13:41.38 | kc | Thanatermesis, Try basic auto install |
| 13:41.51 | kc | Thanatermesis, mode:auto |
| 13:42.23 | Thanatermesis | ok, wait... mmmh, first i need a simple Elive installed system with an extra /home mountpoint, right ? |
| 13:44.27 | kc | Thanatermesis, right |
| 13:44.37 | kc | Thanatermesis, you can have the previous compiz verison |
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| 13:44.52 | Elive_user88_es | /dev/sda1 1 132 1060258+ 83 Linux |
| 13:44.52 | Elive_user88_es | /dev/sda2 133 655 4200997+ 83 Linux |
| 13:44.52 | Elive_user88_es | /dev/sda3 656 1044 3124642+ 5 Extended |
| 13:44.53 | Elive_user88_es | /dev/sda5 656 1044 3124611 82 Linux swap / Solaris |
| 13:44.58 | Thanatermesis | done |
| 13:45.02 | Thanatermesis | let me install on it |
| 13:45.08 | kc | Thanatermesis, good |
| 13:45.46 | Thanatermesis | which filesystem, kc ? |
| 13:45.53 | Thanatermesis | for root and home |
| 13:46.17 | kc | Thanatermesis, what do you mean? |
| 13:46.22 | kc | Thanatermesis, I thought you installed it before? |
| 13:46.32 | kc | Thanatermesis, When you install it you shouldn't format the disk |
| 13:46.55 | Thanatermesis | not with this structure, just with root, no extra home mountpoint |
| 13:47.11 | Thanatermesis | so im preparing first a installed system like yours |
| 13:47.29 | Thanatermesis | so i have repartitioned the disk entirely |
| 13:47.36 | Thanatermesis | which filesystem you have used for root and home kc ? |
| 13:48.14 | kc | ext3 |
| 13:48.21 | kc | ext3 for both |
| 13:48.36 | Thanatermesis | ok |
| 13:49.29 | kc | Thanatermesis, btw it did not solve the smart window placement problem |
| 13:50.24 | p1asma | hey thana & kc :) |
| 13:50.25 | kc | Thanatermesis, windows even right after completely fresh install would open up in smart way (not overlapping) only on the first desktop and if you switch deskto the windows would start at the bottom ( as if all desktops are really one big desktop just cut into parts) |
| 13:50.30 | kc | p1asma, hey |
| 13:51.07 | kc | Thanatermesis, elive gem didn't do it, so it must be a bug :) |
| 13:54.32 | Thanatermesis | hi p1asma |
| 13:54.41 | Thanatermesis | kc, do you are talking about the compiz version right ? |
| 13:54.57 | Thanatermesis | with a new install ? |
| 13:55.20 | Thanatermesis | ok but, the normal e17 (no compiz) does it too ? |
| 13:55.54 | kc | Thanatermesis, yes |
| 13:56.27 | kc | Thanatermesis, normal e17 (elive gem) does it correctly (right). The compiz version does what I said above. |
| 13:56.38 | kc | Thanatermesis, with a new install. |
| 13:56.48 | kc | Haven't any of you guys noticed it? |
| 14:00.17 | Thanatermesis | kc, no, i mean normal e17 by an updated e17 |
| 14:00.22 | Thanatermesis | the e17 of Gem is VERY old |
| 14:00.26 | Thanatermesis | the code was changed a lot |
| 14:00.49 | kc | Thanatermesis, so you have not noticed that smart placement does not work properly on compiz? |
| 14:01.14 | Thanatermesis | mmh, i dont play much with compiz |
| 14:01.26 | kc | Thanatermesis, want to see for yourself what I mean? |
| 14:01.30 | Thanatermesis | kc, the placement of the windows when appears ? |
| 14:02.23 | kc | Thanatermesis, go to first desktop open 4 terminal uxrvt windows.. then go to next desktop in pager and open another 4 uxrvt windows. You will notice that it starts uxrvt windows in random places |
| 14:02.38 | keyra | kc: configurations of terminal in elpanel, of course :) |
| 14:02.53 | kc | Thankyou keyra |
| 14:03.25 | Thanatermesis | ok let me try it |
| 14:05.02 | Thanatermesis | in vanilla e17 it works correctly |
| 14:05.11 | Thanatermesis | let me build a USB with the compiz version to try it... |
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| 14:07.43 | ThanaTests | ok kc, i have rebooted the live mode with this system installed |
| 14:08.24 | ThanaTests | so, tell me the steps that you have do for install the new elive iso |
| 14:08.29 | ThanaTests | first, AUTO mode... then ? |
| 14:09.10 | ThanaTests | it says "i have found a old version of elive... want to upgrade or to do a new install?" what |
| 14:09.14 | ThanaTests | it says "i have found a old version of elive... want to upgrade or to do a new install?" what you have selected ? |
| 14:09.24 | keyra | ThanaTests: You can apt-get dist-upgrade and update SOME things of elive, but the only way to get all the new features is with a complete new iso |
| 14:09.38 | keyra | ThanaTests: if you want to upgrade your elive system to a newest one without reinstall, this is not totally possible... because a lot of features are added in the 'process' (boot, configurations, detections, updates, install features, etc) and not just the packages, read the changelog of the releases so you can see the new features added and decide what you do |
| 14:10.24 | kc | Thanatermesis I select ok |
| 14:10.45 | kc | Thanatermesis, it only asks if I want to press ok or cancel |
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| 14:15.37 | Elive_user | Thanatermesis, Hi. Today i've try eeePC 1000H with Wi-Fi n standart. This adapter was not recognised |
| 14:15.40 | Thanatermesis | right |
| 14:15.45 | kc | so? |
| 14:16.00 | Thanatermesis | kc, well, OK is equivalent to YES |
| 14:16.27 | Elive_user | Madwifi? For now? |
| 14:16.34 | Thanatermesis | Elive_user, you need a updated version of Elive than GEM in order to have this driver supported |
| 14:16.59 | Elive_user | i've 1.9.26 |
| 14:17.31 | ThanaTests | Elive_user, oh so you are connected from a Gem right now ? |
| 14:17.53 | Elive_user | Now. sorry |
| 14:17.56 | Elive_user | Is not mine |
| 14:18.29 | ThanaTests | kc, you are right ! there's a ugly bug in the installer ! it is asking me now for a filesystem to use |
| 14:19.01 | elilo | ThanaTests: cual siempre usabas el stream? |
| 14:19.12 | elilo | me perdi de decibelle hace tiempo |
| 14:19.15 | Elive_user | May be after few days i'll have it for normal test |
| 14:19.34 | ThanaTests | Elive_user, mmh, one of these versions of elive has got a problem with a few drivers that are builded in a different version of the kernel, show the version number installed of: apt-cache policy linux-image-$(uname -r) |
| 14:19.50 | ThanaTests | elilo, de todo un poco |
| 14:20.02 | elilo | esta bien |
| 14:21.32 | ThanaTests | kc, it has asked you about which filesystem you want to use after that step, right ? |
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| 14:22.18 | MEETmou | hey |
| 14:22.34 | kc | yes |
| 14:22.35 | ThanaTests | Elive_user, if im not wrong this driver is supported, but one of these versions was a few drivers that are not updated as the kernel version, i recommend you to try the last version of the iso (1.9.29) to be sure |
| 14:22.40 | ThanaTests | MEETmou, wb |
| 14:22.50 | ThanaTests | kc, this looks like a very stupid and ugly bug in the installer |
| 14:23.02 | ThanaTests | i hope you have not lost anything important :/ |
| 14:23.27 | Elive_user | ThanaTests, thank's i'll try it in a few dwys |
| 14:23.38 | Elive_user | *days |
| 14:23.53 | ThanaTests | Elive_user, if there's not really a driver for it, come here again and tell me, but from my memory its supported |
| 14:24.13 | Elive_user | Ok |
| 14:24.36 | MEETmou | Thanatermesis do you remember what you suggested me to do about that boot-usb-via-grub thing? i think it would work! he really boots the elive-kernel when i added boot=eli but while booting it sais "kernel panic" because it doesnt find script/elive .. do i have to copy this to my hda too? |
| 14:24.51 | keyra | MEETmou: There is a pretty nice howto written by thana about how to have the livecd on a usb stick: http://www.elivecd.org/Help/Howto/boot-elive-from-usb |
| 14:25.28 | ThanaTests | MEETmou, no.. it should work, you have used the same initrd and vmlinz from the iso right ? |
| 14:26.03 | kc | Thanatermesis, have you been able to try out smart placement yet? |
| 14:26.06 | MEETmou | exactly.. but the mountpoint is still dev/hda.. do i have to change it to sda? |
| 14:26.26 | ThanaTests | well, if not works try to copy the contents to the ISO to the root of any partition, maybe there's not the appropiate driver for the USB but that could be a bit strange |
| 14:26.46 | ThanaTests | mmh, there's no need of mountpoint |
| 14:26.49 | MEETmou | okay (: |
| 14:27.20 | ThanaTests | see: |
| 14:27.20 | ThanaTests | title Elive Normal Mode |
| 14:27.20 | ThanaTests | kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26.8-elive-686 boot=eli quiet vga=788 resolution |
| 14:27.20 | ThanaTests | initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.26.8-elive-686 |
| 14:27.20 | ThanaTests | this is the grub menu.lst entry for the live mode |
| 14:27.20 | MEETmou | ThanaTests thanks (: |
| 14:27.28 | ThanaTests | there's no root partition to boot, this one should work without problems |
| 14:27.42 | keyra | ThanaTests: If you have boot problems try to play with the init boot kernel parameters, specially with APM and ACPI parameters: http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/gregkh/lkn/lkn_pdf/ch09.pdf Also try to boot from usb |
| 14:27.43 | MEETmou | okay.. will try it.. thanks so much |
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| 14:30.31 | ThanaTests | kc, i have found the bug |
| 14:31.05 | p1asma | :D |
| 14:31.11 | p1asma | thana our master |
| 14:32.00 | ThanaTests | p1asma, not much, kc has lost data i think by a wrong upgrade mode of the installer :/ |
| 14:32.17 | p1asma | ah ok |
| 14:32.31 | p1asma | how is the progress going btw |
| 14:32.41 | p1asma | till 2.0? |
| 14:33.00 | elilo | ThanaTests: me arrepenti que me perdi de decibelle :( |
| 14:33.05 | ThanaTests | in the step to list existing users of the old system, it searches on /home, so since kc has used an extra /home there's nothing on the mountpoint of that partition, so the function exits and continue without the upgrade mode (clean install), so asking about format the root partition and such |
| 14:33.15 | MEETmou | just go to dev.elivecd and have a look at the tickets plasma :P |
| 14:33.18 | elilo | lo perdi por accidente hace tiempo y debo conseguir algun link |
| 14:33.47 | p1asma | ah ok, good to know |
| 14:33.56 | p1asma | MEETmou: hehe |
| 14:33.58 | ThanaTests | p1asma, good, a lot of activity, you have 2 progress-bars in http://www.elivecd.org/Help/FAQ#next_stable_release_when |
| 14:34.05 | ThanaTests | aha yes |
| 14:34.28 | ThanaTests | elilo, yo tengo solo una o dos canciones... prueba "nicotine", ahi podrás encontrar decibelle |
| 14:34.36 | elilo | a ver |
| 14:34.52 | ThanaTests | like i say, i just hope that kc has not lost any important data :/ |
| 14:35.45 | p1asma | ok so theres still alot of work :) |
| 14:36.21 | p1asma | is the actual development release usable or are there any bigger issues? |
| 14:37.08 | kc | Thanatermesis, thanks for pointing it out to me |
| 14:37.09 | ThanaTests | no, they are very stable :) |
| 14:38.02 | kc | Thanatermesis, I did not format my /home partition so I only lost /root ;) |
| 14:38.13 | Thanatermesis | kc, the real problem is that the installer has not alerted you that is going to continue in "normal/clean install mode" by something strange found between the upgrade mode (apart of that has not found users because you have used an external /home) |
| 14:38.15 | kc | Thanatermesis, no big deal.. I don't login as root many times anyways |
| 14:38.32 | Thanatermesis | kc, oh! then you have not lost anything apart your Elive system! :) or almost... |
| 14:38.39 | kc | Thanatermesis, so the installer should alert the user and should ask to check other home partition? |
| 14:39.21 | kc | Thanatermesis, yes, I just need to spend time to recompile the kernel and re-install all the packages |
| 14:39.26 | Thanatermesis | kc, well, it needs to mount the home under the root in case that there's a extra home, when upgrading mode... but anyways it nneeds to alert the user if is going to continue with the normal mode instead of the upgrade mode too |
| 14:40.17 | Thanatermesis | kc, by reinstalling the packages, made yourself a list of the pakcages that you want to have... i have added a new feature in the installer so that in every new install it will install all of them for you :) (only advanced-mode install, no auto/easy modes) |
| 14:41.20 | Thanatermesis | its not easy to maintain a that-big installer |
| 14:43.40 | Elive_user | Thanatermesis, one more question. In installer when i use russian, it's encoding problems |
| 14:43.49 | kc | Thanatermesis, I bet. btw I saw that feature.. and will make the list of packages. |
| 14:45.15 | Elive_user | And any way,when i loading Elive with russian for example, i can't do noting, because russian keyboard |
| 14:46.01 | elilo | Thanatermesis: tu nick es el mismo en nicotine? |
| 14:47.32 | Elive_user | we have to add option when US or UK keyboard layout will be avalible as any chosen layout |
| 14:48.49 | Elive_user | My xorg.confOption "XkbLayout" "us,ru(winkeys)" Option "XkbOptions" "grp:alt_shift_toggle,grp_led:scroll"EndSection |
| 14:49.17 | Thanatermesis | Elive_user, do you talk about keybconf in elpanel or the boot option ? |
| 14:49.27 | Thanatermesis | elilo, no, no estoy ahor aahi |
| 14:49.46 | elilo | ok |
| 14:50.17 | elilo | Thanatermesis: el kernel 2.6.31 tendrÃa soporte usb 3.0 y sirve 64Gb ram este modulo ahi bigmem |
| 14:50.28 | Elive_user | When boot mode, when liveCD mode, and when elpanel |
| 14:51.05 | Thanatermesis | Elive_user, is this the locale required for russian ? ru_RU.UTF-8 |
| 14:51.40 | Elive_user | Yes |
| 14:51.43 | Thanatermesis | elilo, sin bigmem 64gb ? |
| 14:52.02 | elilo | Thanatermesis: soporta hasta 4Gb ram |
| 14:52.20 | elilo | Thanatermesis: pero si lo pones 64Gb... xD |
| 14:52.26 | Thanatermesis | # Russian version |
| 14:52.26 | Thanatermesis | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:52.26 | Thanatermesis | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:52.29 | Thanatermesis | this not looks correct |
| 14:53.36 | Thanatermesis | Elive_user, is that the result that you have when you run "locale" in a terminal ? |
| 14:53.36 | keyra | Thanatermesis: configurations of terminal in elpanel, of course :) |
| 14:53.36 | Thanatermesis | elilo, claro, pero eso siempre, yo hace mucho tiempo que lo uso |
| 14:53.36 | elilo | Thanatermesis: si pero la gente lo tiene? |
| 14:53.37 | elilo | no sé |
| 14:53.37 | Thanatermesis | yo si :þ |
| 14:53.46 | elilo | Thanatermesis: la maquina de mi novia soporta 16Gb ram |
| 14:53.55 | elilo | asi que debe poner 64Gb bigmem |
| 14:54.23 | Elive_user | $ locale |
| 14:54.24 | Elive_user | LANG=ru_RU.UTF-8 |
| 14:54.24 | Elive_user | LANGUAGE=ru_RU.UTF-8 |
| 14:54.55 | Thanatermesis | kc, i don't see that problem of random-positioned-windows-when-appears in the last compiz version |
| 14:55.14 | kc | Thanatermesis, so in second desktop it opens up properly placed? |
| 14:55.22 | Thanatermesis | kc, a bit different in the second desktop than in the first yes, but still calculating the smart position to put it |
| 14:55.38 | kc | Thanatermesis, why doesn't it put it on the top? |
| 14:55.43 | kc | Thanatermesis, why on the sides and bottom? |
| 14:55.56 | Thanatermesis | kc, you mean OUT of the desktop ? |
| 14:56.03 | kc | Thanatermesis, no |
| 14:56.10 | Thanatermesis | Elive_user, wait, let me try to boot with RU mode |
| 14:56.27 | kc | Thanatermesis, I mean it places windows at bottom of desktop and not at top like as if it still aligns it according to first desktop and not second |
| 14:56.55 | Thanatermesis | kc, the first terminal that appears (ctrl + alt + e) looks to appears in random (not in the top-left place), but in a correct position, and the rest of the terminals stills on a correctly-calculated place |
| 14:57.40 | Elive_user | ok |
| 14:58.01 | Thanatermesis | kc, mmh, looks to be a bit random, but like i say, in a calculated-smart place |
| 14:58.05 | kc | Thanatermesis, if you keep opening terminals it does not use the top left space of desktop |
| 14:58.18 | kc | Thanatermesis, if you open 5 terminals it overlaps |
| 14:58.25 | Thanatermesis | kc, you should first test if this still happening on the normal version of Elive (development versions, no gem), and if yes, then talk about this problem in #e channel |
| 14:58.28 | kc | Thanatermesis, even though there is space on desktop |
| 14:58.46 | kc | Thanatermesis, I had elive-gem before and it never happened.. It only started happening when I installed elive-compiz |
| 14:58.54 | Thanatermesis | kc, well, the first top-left place is because there's the (transparent) ibox module (iconifier) |
| 14:59.04 | Thanatermesis | so that for not overlap it, it doesn't appears there |
| 14:59.27 | kc | Thanatermesis, does it do same if you exit X and try on first desktop? |
| 14:59.54 | Thanatermesis | kc, right-click in the top-left place of your desktop and say "disable this shelf", then try again |
| 14:59.55 | kc | Thanatermesis, the point is that when you start elive.. On first desktop it does it properly but then it cannot do it same way on all the ohter desktops. |
| 15:00.10 | kc | I removed the shelf a long time ago |
| 15:00.14 | kc | I know what you mean |
| 15:00.18 | Thanatermesis | mmh, can you made me a screenshot of your first and second desktops ? |
| 15:00.20 | kc | Does it work for you? |
| 15:00.22 | kc | sure |
| 15:00.23 | kc | thing |
| 15:01.05 | Thanatermesis | mmh, im not sure what you are talkig about, apart, i have a netbook here so with a small screen :) but let me wait to see your screenshots first |
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| 15:01.43 | Thanatermesis | Elive_user, where is russian ? in the bottom of Türkçe ? |
| 15:01.53 | Elive_user | Thanatermesis, look, is more problems it's when i chose Russian. I can't do nothing in consol. Because only russian keybord are avalb |
| 15:01.58 | Thanatermesis | YkpaïHCbKa |
| 15:02.03 | Elive_user | No |
| 15:02.14 | Elive_user | Ð ÑÑÑкий |
| 15:02.22 | Thanatermesis | i see |
| 15:02.23 | Elive_user | Russian |
| 15:03.42 | elilo | Thanatermesis: en mi opinión funciona igual de 32bit si lo pones bigmem y lo detecta 4Gb ram o más |
| 15:04.02 | Elive_user | YkpaïHCbKa - Ukrainian |
| 15:04.31 | Thanatermesis | elilo, ok booted the live mode of 1.9.29, the console (out of X) works correctly (US keyboard) |
| 15:04.40 | elilo | xD |
| 15:04.45 | Thanatermesis | elilo, exacto |
| 15:06.29 | Thanatermesis | Elive_user, ok booted the live mode of 1.9.29, the console (out of X) works correctly (US keyboard) |
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| 15:07.33 | Elive_user | I'll try it tonight. Did you chose Russian? |
| 15:07.38 | kc | Thanatermesis, http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/2310/screenshot1gdv.png |
| 15:07.49 | kc | Thanatermesis, The first image is how it starts up and places terminal windows |
| 15:07.50 | Thanatermesis | Elive_user, yes, well, the keyboard works in US, but the chars are wrong, also in english |
| 15:08.04 | keyra | kc: configurations of terminal in elpanel, of course :) |
| 15:08.12 | Thanatermesis | Elive_user, and the graphical system looks like to not accept them too |
| 15:08.34 | Elive_user | When i chhose russian it bring me russian layout, not US |
| 15:09.00 | Elive_user | And no way to change it |
| 15:09.22 | Thanatermesis | Elive_user, do you have an account in http://bugs.elivecd.org ? |
| 15:09.25 | Thanatermesis | a login* |
| 15:09.31 | kc | Thanatermesis, http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/5880/screenshot2n.png |
| 15:09.41 | kc | Thanatermesis, this is how it does it on same destkop afterwords |
| 15:10.08 | Elive_user | I 'll do it |
| 15:11.09 | kc | Thanatermesis, it aligns but not properly. |
| 15:11.50 | Thanatermesis | Elive_user, please create a login and create a ticket aobut this issue, we will trace better the full compatibility from it |
| 15:12.36 | Thanatermesis | kc, ah, i dont have this result, so you removed clock and hte pager |
| 15:13.20 | kc | Thanatermesis, yes, in elive17(regular) it places windows consistently in order of screenshot1. |
| 15:13.46 | Thanatermesis | kc, but an updated version of e17 right ? |
| 15:13.53 | Thanatermesis | so, a recent Elive iso (no gem) |
| 15:15.30 | Thanatermesis | Elive_user, what should appears if i press the W and E keys ? |
| 15:15.32 | Thanatermesis | or* |
| 15:16.15 | Elive_user | ЦУ |
| 15:16.51 | kc | Thanatermesis, for working elive? |
| 15:16.52 | kc | Thanatermesis, the bug is only on compiz version |
| 15:16.52 | kc | Thanatermesis, It makes me think that it pretends that all desktops are really one desktop, just cut into parts. That is why in screenshot 2 it first places terminals at bottom and then last terminal it just puts on top. |
| 15:16.55 | Thanatermesis | so it doesn't appears anything there, but of course i use a US keyboard on this laptop, Elive_user |
| 15:16.59 | kc | Thanatermesis, Placing windows from top to bottom and from bottom to top is rather strange. |
| 15:17.01 | kc | Thanatermesis, can you replicate that? |
| 15:17.05 | kc | Thanatermesis, does it also place windows at the bottom for you first and then fills up to top? |
| 15:17.06 | keyra | kc: configurations of terminal in elpanel, of course :) |
| 15:17.20 | Thanatermesis | <kc> Thanatermesis, It makes me think that it pretends that all desktops are really one desktop, just cut into parts. |
| 15:17.20 | keyra | Thanatermesis: thanks... bot :) |
| 15:17.25 | Thanatermesis | this is ver ypossible, about how compiz works |
| 15:17.29 | Thanatermesis | keyra, YOU bot |
| 15:17.44 | keyra | Thanatermesis: bot |
| 15:17.46 | Elive_user | Thanatermesis, did you chose russian when you boot? |
| 15:17.52 | Thanatermesis | Elive_user, yes |
| 15:18.03 | Elive_user | hmm |
| 15:19.01 | Elive_user | I'll try all this tonight, and i'll report it on bugs.elive.org |
| 15:19.05 | Elive_user | Thank's |
| 15:19.06 | Thanatermesis | kc, not really on this screen and with these modules, but i suppose that it does it, with your setup should be more visible |
| 15:19.15 | keyra | Elive_user: http://bugs.elivecd.org |
| 15:19.18 | Thanatermesis | Elive_user, reported already ? |
| 15:19.46 | kc | Thanatermesis, btw since when do we have the nice elive screen lock feature? |
| 15:19.53 | Elive_user | i'll when i'll try 1.9.28 or 1.9.29 |
| 15:20.04 | Thanatermesis | kc, if these screenshot links are saved (not deleted after some days), use them to report it directly to ecomorph: http://code.google.com/p/itask-module/issues/list |
| 15:20.24 | Thanatermesis | kc, since long time ago :) ctrl + alt + L |
| 15:20.46 | Thanatermesis | Elive_user, well, this bug is also on these updated versions |
| 15:20.50 | kc | hmm.. wow I never knew about it until compiz. |
| 15:21.00 | Thanatermesis | Elive_user, but ill fix it here, it will work for the next build :) |
| 15:21.20 | Thanatermesis | Elive_user, so better create the ticket report now and we can talk from the comments of this ticket (you will be noticed when there's a new comment, for exmaple) |
| 15:21.39 | Thanatermesis | kc, there's a LOT of features that Elive has that the users don't know ;) |
| 15:21.42 | kc | Thanatermesis, do you know of a problem with screen lock that if you leave it on for 5+ hours or so it will not let you back in with right password? |
| 15:21.54 | Thanatermesis | kc, do you know that Elive can run your windows-type CD's ? try to insert a cd with a game :) |
| 15:22.05 | kc | Thanatermesis, really?!! |
| 15:22.13 | Thanatermesis | yes, try it :) |
| 15:22.14 | kc | Thanatermesis, will try |
| 15:22.28 | Thanatermesis | kc, yes, this is a known bug, from the PAM library |
| 15:28.14 | Thanatermesis | kc, http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/ticket/257 |
| 15:29.57 | Elive_user | Thanatermesis, thank's a lot |
| 15:30.20 | Thanatermesis | Elive_user, no, thanks to you for report it :) but i need also you for test it and confirm the correct work ;) |
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| 15:31.20 | Thanatermesis | Elive_user, i think that the one that has also the problem with that wifi driver is Gwildor, he has reported the problem and now it works on the recent ISOs :) (i need a confirmation of that too) |
| 15:31.34 | keyra | Thanatermesis: If your wifi is not supported by Elive, report it at http://bugs.elivecd.org and we look how to add the support to Elive by default :) |
| 15:31.36 | Gwildor | yeah, works great. |
| 15:31.36 | Elive_user | Thanatermesis, I shall anyway i'm DronAn :) |
| 15:31.58 | Gwildor | well, i didnt use the new iso, i dist-upgraded from the last iso...but it works |
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| 15:32.18 | Gwildor | thanks again, thana |
| 15:32.28 | Thanatermesis | Elive_user66_ru, setxkbmap es |
| 15:32.49 | Elive_user66_ru | thanks ! :þ |
| 15:33.26 | Thanatermesis | Gwildor, no problem :), there's Elive_user with the same problem too, but using the .26 ISO of Elive so, it should work in a updated one |
| 15:33.45 | Gwildor | maybe an apt-gget dist-upgrade will work for them too ? |
| 15:34.03 | Gwildor | and, yes, i just got new of new iso, that will have the requiired changes |
| 15:34.08 | Thanatermesis | Gwildor, should be, not if he has nvidia/ati |
| 15:34.15 | Gwildor | ahh, yes |
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| 15:56.09 | Elive_user66_ru | Elive_user, the characters of the installer looks correct, what not looks correct is the messages of the boot |
| 15:57.01 | Elive_user | from new version? |
| 15:57.32 | Elive_user66_ru | yes, but im doing tests so im not sure if it has any relation |
| 15:57.46 | Elive_user66_ru | the only chars that not works are the ones in the e17 theme (so, the borders of the window(s)) |
| 15:58.08 | Elive_user | I shall check it |
| 15:59.38 | Elive_user | I' |
| 16:00.12 | Elive_user | I'll report it on bugs or email it |
| 16:00.26 | keyra | Elive_user: http://bugs.elivecd.org |
| 16:00.40 | Elive_user | I know :) |
| 16:00.53 | Elive_user | thks |
| 16:02.36 | elilo | Thanatermesis: me hace confundir una cosa |
| 16:02.51 | elilo | pentium dual core podria ir 64bit? |
| 16:03.06 | keyra | elilo: It's not very useful. You won't have big Benefits using a 64 bit-system. On the one Hand the optimization is too minor to be considered. On the other Hand you won't have flash, java, or codecs. Futhermore the Applications require twice as much RAM as a 32bit-System does. |
| 16:03.43 | elilo | Thanatermesis: porque lo meti arch64 por accidente y funciona igual :S |
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| 16:18.03 | Wizard | good afternoon :) |
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| 21:55.32 | basdfasdfasdf | anyone here? |
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