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| 01:40.41 | Go-ers | Hi all. She_dyed.....dont you ever sleep? You ar always here..... :-) |
| 01:42.39 | Go-ers | she-Dyed: downloaded latest Elive Compiz 1.9.42 and tried to run it livecd. But no success at all. It will not load or run at all. Drats :-( |
| 01:42.54 | keyra | Go-ers: Elive Gem roolz! I hope you are using the one from the website of Elive... apparently a modified ISO exists on the net with porn, adds, and crappy things, maybe that hacked ISO removes all your hard disk lol |
| 01:43.21 | Go-ers | always from Elive sites of course |
| 01:46.01 | Go-ers | Ah, she_dyed must be asleep so will not wake him. I Will come back later... |
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| 06:23.20 | DronAn[BY]_PSI | Hello world |
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| 07:19.05 | Thybo | hello DronAn[BY]_PSI :) |
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| 08:47.40 | Thybo | i can't kill firefox :( |
| 08:49.28 | kingdon | kill -9 |
| 08:50.30 | Thybo | bash: kill: firefox-bin: arguments must be process or job IDs |
| 08:51.00 | phoenix__| | killall -9 :P |
| 08:56.19 | Thybo | phoenix__|, merkii c le matin monch monch |
| 08:56.23 | Thybo | thanks kingdon :) |
| 08:56.49 | Thybo | sorry i didn't even think about that i'm having a rough morning ^^ |
| 08:58.34 | phoenix__| | ^^ |
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| 10:02.51 | Thybo | phoenix__|, a des petits problemes de connection hmmm? :p |
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| 10:19.14 | DronAn[BY] | Hi |
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| 11:46.37 | she_dyed | so a guy asks me, first thing after he installs e: |
| 11:46.55 | she_dyed | Q: How do I get icons on the desktop? |
| 11:47.01 | she_dyed | A: Install KDE |
| 12:43.05 | Thybo | hinhinhinhihniin |
| 12:43.06 | Thybo | but |
| 12:43.07 | Thybo | false |
| 12:43.12 | Thybo | u can get icons on the desktop ;) |
| 12:43.23 | she_dyed | yes but not for me |
| 12:43.35 | she_dyed | suse does it in their live CD with e17 |
| 12:44.18 | she_dyed | so icant be bothered, and he just came from uninstalling ubuntu |
| 12:44.19 | Thybo | suse has a live with e17?! :p |
| 12:44.43 | she_dyed | not ecomorph tho, lookup SOAD suse on active diet |
| 12:44.55 | she_dyed | but idk if they've updated |
| 12:45.09 | she_dyed | have it on my laptop to try other themes |
| 12:46.09 | she_dyed | am trying to see how to live in a flash-free environment |
| 12:47.50 | Thybo | :p |
| 12:47.53 | Thybo | good luck |
| 12:48.07 | Thybo | silverlight? (lol) |
| 12:52.13 | she_dyed | ugh |
| 12:52.23 | she_dyed | it'll be a cold day in hell |
| 12:52.47 | she_dyed | before I do silverlight or put icons on desktop |
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| 13:26.42 | Thybo | hahah |
| 13:27.02 | Thybo | she_dyed, moonsilver? |
| 13:27.03 | Thybo | :p |
| 13:27.25 | she_dyed | mono? |
| 13:28.00 | she_dyed | pysol is an anceint solitaire card game |
| 13:28.22 | she_dyed | all these years no one absolutely nobody ever thought |
| 13:28.32 | she_dyed | of putting hind as a button the toolbar |
| 13:28.40 | she_dyed | hint* |
| 13:28.59 | Thybo | ? |
| 13:29.02 | she_dyed | for a primarily mouse driven cardgame that is a GLARING oversight |
| 13:29.03 | Thybo | don't follow u |
| 13:29.15 | she_dyed | ever play cardgames on PC |
| 13:30.09 | she_dyed | you can press a letter for Hint |
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| 13:36.00 | she_dyed | but they should put it on toolbar so you just click away with no keyboard access necessary |
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| 14:43.04 | kaz2057 | hi |
| 14:45.23 | kaz2057 | just a question to elive programmer ... when you decide to envelop 64bit version? :D |
| 14:45.37 | keyra | kaz2057: It's not very useful. You won't have big Benefits using a 64 bit-system. On the one Hand the optimization is too minor to be considered. On the other Hand you won't have flash, java, or codecs. Futhermore the Applications require twice as much RAM as a 32bit-System does. |
| 14:45.39 | kaz2057 | many of us are attempting about iy ... |
| 14:46.54 | kaz2057 | mh .... a lot of tools/software i use exist only in 64bit .... |
| 14:47.09 | kaz2057 | so i answer :D |
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| 14:57.50 | kaz2057 | example ... i use maya (autodesk), 3d application . it is released only in 64 bit ... you know if is there a solution to start it on 32bit os? |
| 14:58.04 | keyra | kaz2057: It's not very useful. You won't have big Benefits using a 64 bit-system. On the one Hand the optimization is too minor to be considered. On the other Hand you won't have flash, java, or codecs. Futhermore the Applications require twice as much RAM as a 32bit-System does. |
| 14:59.38 | she_dyed | kaz2057: might get a reply on the forum, its hard to catch a dev here |
| 14:59.45 | she_dyed | a timing thing |
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| 21:52.08 | she_dyed | so Go-ers |
| 21:52.23 | Go-ers | Hi she_dyed. How are you doing? |
| 21:52.30 | she_dyed | am good thanks, u? |
| 21:52.43 | Go-ers | gr8 |
| 21:53.21 | Go-ers | Hey....I did no good with the latest Compiz d/load. I just could not get it to work on livecd at all. |
| 21:53.33 | Go-ers | md% all ok |
| 21:53.41 | Go-ers | md5 that is |
| 21:53.55 | keyra | Go-ers: to know the md5 of Elive Gem say: apt, gem-md5 |
| 21:54.07 | she_dyed | you know my old laptop refuses to run after choosing |
| 21:54.20 | Go-ers | I wonder what the systme requirements are to run Compiz? |
| 21:54.29 | Go-ers | m5 is good |
| 21:54.35 | she_dyed | wait but yours is GHz right? |
| 21:55.00 | Go-ers | I have the following: |
| 21:56.05 | Go-ers | desktop, dual core pentium at 3000mhz and 2gb ram, GeForce FX 5500 agp graphix (256ram) |
| 21:57.18 | Go-ers | A lot of "cannot find location error messages come up and finally something about initrd error i think |
| 21:58.11 | Go-ers | I would love to use Compiz and beat this challenge to get it going... |
| 21:59.34 | Go-ers | maybe i should try livecd on my older laptop and see what happens? |
| 21:59.56 | she_dyed | how old. |
| 22:00.02 | she_dyed | does it have windows sticker on it |
| 22:01.09 | Go-ers | about 5 years old: 850mhz and 128mram |
| 22:01.29 | she_dyed | with an ati or nvidia? maybe not |
| 22:01.39 | Go-ers | it is dual boot with windoze and good old Mepis linux (that ALWAYS WORKS :-) |
| 22:01.45 | Go-ers | ati |
| 22:02.03 | she_dyed | ati wants you to put vga= so that it will go accelerated |
| 22:02.18 | she_dyed | otherwise you miss out |
| 22:02.45 | Go-ers | yes, with my desktop i make sure vga=791, like you sadi before |
| 22:02.48 | she_dyed | see if it can read off the same CD |
| 22:03.18 | Go-ers | will hook up and try....i think it is still alive |
| 22:07.56 | she_dyed | Go-ers try this too. Boot on win, but dont shutdown, reboot to CD |
| 22:08.18 | she_dyed | see if it behaves differently, and something Thana asked me to try is vga=normal |
| 22:09.54 | Go-ers | had some similar error messages about I/O buffer, but now it seems to be still loading further.... |
| 22:10.37 | she_dyed | oh and one thing i've found is sometimes wired makes it easy to network in case the wifi is stubborn |
| 22:10.52 | keyra | she_dyed: If your wifi is not supported by Elive, report it at http://bugs.elivecd.org and we look how to add the support to Elive by default :) |
| 22:11.13 | Go-ers | still trying and "waiting for /dev to be fully populated..." |
| 22:11.35 | she_dyed | give it time to give up |
| 22:11.40 | Go-ers | Yes, i will try vga=normal on my desktop next time i try |
| 22:12.13 | she_dyed | did it have initrd problem before that/dev message |
| 22:12.59 | Go-ers | looking at it now: had some more errors but it is progressing further. "configuring locales now" :-) |
| 22:13.39 | Go-ers | (have not used my laptop for some time and CMOS battery is low. So this will be good and recharge it again |
| 22:14.25 | Go-ers | ok, my laptop is at ntfs partitioon options creen. i will enable ntfs option |
| 22:14.45 | she_dyed | am waiting for video |
| 22:15.24 | Go-ers | still looking good so far... |
| 22:15.54 | she_dyed | cause i havent tried compiz on ati since i switched brands |
| 22:17.37 | Go-ers | its trying to "list hardware" but a few errors coming up. BUT, it has done better than me desktop. Hmm |
| 22:18.43 | Go-ers | further progress: "generating config for graphical system xorg" and some more errors |
| 22:20.27 | Go-ers | ha....Im at "resolution screen" and will choose automatic (it is 1020x792 i think) |
| 22:20.28 | she_dyed | hmm |
| 22:22.40 | Go-ers | ok, im asked if i want to load ndiswrapper driver but i will choose safe way and decline and use native Linux drivers |
| 22:22.55 | she_dyed | k |
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| 22:25.49 | raijin | lals |
| 22:25.51 | raijin | some ban |
| 22:25.55 | Go-ers | ok, im at the graphical system finished and have options startx restart you grapcl system, etc and at bottom acpid: client 5097[0 ;01] has disconnected. Not sure waht to do now |
| 22:27.09 | Go-ers | yeah....problem wit graphical system nad i will have to go to next option to "reconfigure it" |
| 22:28.33 | she_dyed | your mepis works with 3d and ati? |
| 22:28.45 | she_dyed | wait that means the CD is readable |
| 22:28.53 | she_dyed | if it went thru to the end |
| 22:28.59 | Go-ers | selected precise resolution but it returns to a grahcl system problem. Mepis and Knoppix always work 100% |
| 22:29.13 | Go-ers | Opn Gl and all |
| 22:29.15 | she_dyed | yes but mepis aint pushin the gfx limits |
| 22:29.33 | raijin | lol |
| 22:29.45 | Go-ers | yes, u r right. it is readable and SHOULD work with my desktop! |
| 22:32.12 | Go-ers | so, whats ur desktop got that i havent? Hmm |
| 22:33.25 | she_dyed | what i did back then was copy the xorg from say, mepis to elive |
| 22:33.53 | she_dyed | with caution tho as the device names arent a match |
| 22:34.39 | she_dyed | but thats for another day |
| 22:34.53 | she_dyed | your concern is the dualcore and nvidia |
| 22:35.01 | she_dyed | it has no other linux on it? |
| 22:37.02 | Go-ers | not on my desktop. only elive 1.9.31 and windoze XP |
| 22:37.44 | she_dyed | that elive is the one you're wrestling with |
| 22:37.49 | she_dyed | right? |
| 22:39.50 | Go-ers | I am not game to try Compiz upgrade on my installed version of Elive. But I am willing to try it first with a Compiz livecd to make sure it does first |
| 22:40.33 | she_dyed | yes, try with acpi=off. |
| 22:40.40 | she_dyed | i think its one of the choices |
| 22:41.38 | Go-ers | and vga=normal? |
| 22:42.03 | she_dyed | what did we use last time, didnt it prompt for nvidia drivers |
| 22:42.46 | Go-ers | cant rememebr |
| 22:43.14 | she_dyed | vga=normal ONLY if complete blank after grub |
| 22:43.47 | Go-ers | actually, with livecd on my desktop it does not get as far as any screens to choose form |
| 22:43.53 | she_dyed | but you said it gets to 'device' |
| 22:44.30 | Go-ers | yes, on my laptop. I have shut it down and we are talking about my desktop from now. |
| 22:45.07 | Go-ers | i dont use my laptop anymore...too slow |
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| 22:50.28 | Go-ers | ok, will run livecd compiz again and report back to you when done. |
| 22:50.58 | Go-ers | if yopu can run it on ur puter then surely i can too... |
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| 23:01.42 | Go-ers | heyy...she_dyed: back and i hv some error messages that may help. Still cannot laod Compiz livecd. Here are mesages: |
| 23:02.34 | she_dyed | if theres a lot use pastebin |
| 23:02.44 | Go-ers | Strating Elive Boot System ..........detected Elive System on /dev/sr2 |
| 23:03.05 | Go-ers | Failed to mount squashfs filesyetm |
| 23:03.13 | Go-ers | - - - - |
| 23:03.54 | Go-ers | /bin/sh: can't access tty: Job control turned off _ _ _ (initramfs) _ |
| 23:03.54 | she_dyed | did it get to 'devices' some of these can be ignored |
| 23:04.06 | Go-ers | Thats all. nothing else. |
| 23:04.23 | Go-ers | Maybe it does not like my installed Elive? |
| 23:04.45 | she_dyed | thought you were running off liveCD |
| 23:05.32 | Go-ers | Yes, I am running lCompiz ivecd on my dual boot (elive and Windoze) |
| 23:06.58 | Go-ers | I dont think Compiz livecd likes my installed Elive? |
| 23:07.06 | Go-ers | and it objects to it |
| 23:07.23 | Go-ers | is that possible? |
| 23:07.25 | she_dyed | its not even supposed to look |
| 23:07.39 | *** join/#elive LinuxNIT (n=LinuxNIT@ip68-12-193-228.ok.ok.cox.net) |
| 23:08.40 | Go-ers | the message says it "detected Elive system on /dev/sr2" |
| 23:09.04 | *** join/#elive Elive_user59_fr (n=Elive_us@ip-116.net-89-2-179.rev.numericable.fr) |
| 23:09.26 | she_dyed | yet in grub boot youpicked the CD right? |
| 23:09.27 | *** part/#elive Elive_user59_fr (n=Elive_us@ip-116.net-89-2-179.rev.numericable.fr) |
| 23:09.32 | Go-ers | and then "failed to mount squashfs" |
| 23:10.25 | Go-ers | No, i put cd in and started puter. It went loded right off the cd. No grub or boot screens |
| 23:10.58 | she_dyed | the BIOS boot sequence is CD, floppy, hdd? something like that |
| 23:11.14 | Go-ers | exactly like you say yes |
| 23:11.49 | she_dyed | back then i think liveCDs were supposed to detect saved settings/persistent across sessions |
| 23:12.16 | she_dyed | but not elive i think, why is it reading off hdd |
| 23:12.53 | Go-ers | dunno |
| 23:13.20 | she_dyed | you should see the grub of the CD, didnt you see it in the ancient laptop |
| 23:14.51 | Go-ers | not in both machines no. Boot up and option to go to BIOS, and then straight into loading whats on the cd. Always done that. There is no boot options on cd |
| 23:15.15 | she_dyed | there is, for RAM test and |
| 23:15.36 | she_dyed | boot off hard disk and safety mode |
| 23:15.46 | she_dyed | please double check your boot sequnce in teh BIOS |
| 23:16.32 | Go-ers | if i start puter with cd in the drive it boots off that. All my puters are set that way |
| 23:16.33 | she_dyed | because it also lists options for video problems and 'text only' boot |
| 23:16.48 | keyra | she_dyed: If you have boot problems try to play with the init boot kernel parameters, specially with APM and ACPI parameters: http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/gregkh/lkn/lkn_pdf/ch09.pdf Also try to boot from usb |
| 23:16.51 | she_dyed | so you see these choices thats the first screen of Elive |
| 23:17.00 | Go-ers | i will start laptop with cd and see |
| 23:18.05 | Go-ers | ok, langugae (english) selction first |
| 23:18.24 | she_dyed | thats the screen you're supposed to see |
| 23:19.11 | Go-ers | Then screen with options for Elive Normal mode, Black screen in boot, etc (vga=788) |
| 23:19.27 | she_dyed | thats the one i'm talking about, options |
| 23:19.30 | she_dyed | for Elive |
| 23:19.49 | Go-ers | And sorry yes, i get that too on my desktop in livecd |
| 23:20.19 | she_dyed | that is the grub screen |
| 23:21.55 | LinuxNIT | :) |
| 23:21.56 | Go-ers | so if i proceedd with that in normal mode i then get "buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block177802 (and many more as it tires to find one that works) |
| 23:22.14 | she_dyed | is it a DVD? |
| 23:22.19 | Go-ers | cd |
| 23:25.49 | Go-ers | LinuxNIT: what are u smiling about? Can u get Elive Compiz to work on yours? |
| 23:25.50 | she_dyed | then what happens |
| 23:26.28 | she_dyed | cause it took us 15 minutes for me to tell you waht grub is |
| 23:26.34 | Go-ers | then I get the "buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block177802 (and many more as it tires to find one that works) |
| 23:26.52 | she_dyed | and then? |
| 23:26.55 | Go-ers | sorry |
| 23:27.36 | Go-ers | I hv learned what grub is besides ones found in my garden :- |
| 23:28.27 | she_dyed | whats mepis got lilo? |
| 23:28.30 | LinuxNIT | i have not tried recently... but yes i have in the past |
| 23:28.53 | Go-ers | yes, lilo i thnk |
| 23:30.44 | she_dyed | you just havent updated LinuxNIT |
| 23:30.46 | she_dyed | ? |
| 23:31.10 | LinuxNIT | i dont use the compiz version |
| 23:31.18 | LinuxNIT | i tried it in the past but i have not tried it recently |
| 23:31.21 | she_dyed | so yours is the stock e17 |
| 23:31.34 | she_dyed | on top of what, debian? |
| 23:31.35 | LinuxNIT | right |
| 23:31.37 | LinuxNIT | elive |
| 23:31.48 | she_dyed | ah still elive, gotcha |
| 23:34.30 | Go-ers | sounds like my elive setup 1.9.31 which seems most stable for me so far |
| 23:36.58 | she_dyed | i get that repeating message when I burn the CD iso onto a DVD |
| 23:37.23 | she_dyed | so i turn the thing off and put the disc back in, and try again |
| 23:37.31 | LinuxNIT | 1.9.37 here |
| 23:40.50 | she_dyed | can Go-ers probably just update the installed system he has? |
| 23:41.01 | she_dyed | without using the liveCD |
| 23:41.47 | she_dyed | like an update-in-place |
| 23:42.06 | Go-ers | Hey....i just successfully loaded the compiz livecd on to my old laptop. (it took 10 minutes...) Only problem is that i hv to tweak 3d and also do a compiz-o a check. So, why cannot i get this far on my much later model desktop that has nvidia etc? beats me |
| 23:42.56 | she_dyed | where did you burn the disc? on the desktop? |
| 23:43.13 | Go-ers | No, i will not update my installed version. Tried that 4 times and had to re-install Elive each time pl;us all my data! |
| 23:44.26 | Go-ers | I burned disc with Windoze burning program. |
| 23:44.48 | she_dyed | nero? |
| 23:45.11 | she_dyed | is it a CDRW |
| 23:45.30 | she_dyed | windows must have left it as open session |
| 23:45.54 | she_dyed | and the drive choked |
| 23:46.06 | she_dyed | chokes each time |
| 23:46.46 | Go-ers | not nero. maybe it only burns dvd images? |
| 23:46.51 | she_dyed | sure the md5sum checks out but check the defauls on that app |
| 23:47.06 | keyra | she_dyed: to know the md5 of Elive Gem say: apt, gem-md5 |
| 23:47.12 | Go-ers | i hv the download here and will use brassero ok? |
| 23:47.34 | she_dyed | anything BUT the windows app |
| 23:47.54 | she_dyed | and you can put a check next to 'Close session or End session' YES |
| 23:47.56 | Go-ers | ok sounds gr8. will burn now |
| 23:48.08 | she_dyed | or make sure its checked in the first place |
| 23:48.33 | she_dyed | cause i think the app in WIn leaves it ready for more burns |
| 23:49.33 | Go-ers | I am in Elive now. so, burn existing image in brassero right? |
| 23:50.05 | she_dyed | yeah |
| 23:51.10 | she_dyed | take a look at options or prefs |
| 23:51.22 | Go-ers | its burning now... |
| 23:51.59 | she_dyed | at the end i have mine eject |
| 23:52.18 | Go-ers | sorry, did not look at options/prefs but will do so later |
| 23:52.38 | Go-ers | ok, fixation now |
| 23:52.56 | Go-ers | success :-) |
| 23:53.17 | she_dyed | yeah i think thats like finalize session |
| 23:54.04 | Go-ers | my brassero does not hv options/prefs |
| 23:56.22 | Go-ers | ok, so i should reboot now with this new disc yes? and then get back to you. Any other settings i need to observe? |
| 23:56.37 | she_dyed | lets try without anything else |
| 23:56.52 | she_dyed | what you're hoping to get is nvidia detected |
| 23:57.18 | she_dyed | and CHOOSE the driver that gives 3D |
| 23:57.28 | she_dyed | dont just hit enter |
| 23:57.34 | she_dyed | without choosing the right onw |
| 23:57.42 | she_dyed | one* |
| 23:58.15 | she_dyed | because the default might be 'this is the free open source one' |
| 23:58.20 | Go-ers | ok will do. fingers crossed :-) |
| 23:58.35 | she_dyed | post it here whatever happens |
| 23:58.40 | she_dyed | going to eat |
| 23:59.01 | Go-ers | ok many thnx he_dyed ur a champ! |
| 23:59.12 | Go-ers | she* :-) |
| 23:59.14 | she_dyed | yw man we;kll get you going |