| 00:04.44 | Mtraker | where is /proc/acpi/fan/FAN/state? I don't see in my pc |
| 00:05.12 | *** join/#elive Elive_user44_en (n=Elive_us@189.115.66.131) |
| 00:10.02 | she_dyed | what about ls /proc/acpi ? |
| 00:10.49 | Mtraker | I want activte the fan |
| 00:13.01 | Thanatermesis | Mtraker, which computer ? acer aspire one ? |
| 00:13.17 | Mtraker | nop Thanatermesis vaio |
| 00:14.01 | Thanatermesis | Mtraker, and what temperature are you running ? |
| 00:14.05 | Thanatermesis | what version of Elive ? |
| 00:14.45 | Mtraker | now it's 52º (it's ok) but the other moment were 69º (elive 1.9.51) |
| 00:15.18 | Thanatermesis | Mtraker, what happens if you put it around 80 º ? doesn't stat ? |
| 00:15.28 | Thanatermesis | you can do it with: mprime-cpu -t |
| 00:15.43 | Thanatermesis | apt-get install mprime-cpu |
| 00:17.09 | Thanatermesis | it should run when the cpu is hot |
| 00:17.12 | Mtraker | now 71º |
| 00:17.20 | Thanatermesis | a cpu can support 100 º without problems (intel) |
| 00:17.27 | Thanatermesis | but dont continue after 100 :) |
| 00:17.39 | Mtraker | 73 |
| 00:17.51 | Mtraker | Can i stop? |
| 00:17.53 | Thanatermesis | Mtraker, see if you can reach 80-85 |
| 00:18.15 | Thanatermesis | if you reach 85 and no fan... then stop |
| 00:18.23 | Mtraker | 74 |
| 00:18.41 | Thanatermesis | what vaio model ? |
| 00:18.48 | Mtraker | nr11z |
| 00:19.02 | Mtraker | yes run the fun |
| 00:19.05 | Mtraker | fan |
| 00:19.31 | Thanatermesis | it works ? |
| 00:20.17 | twiggz | Thanatermesis, .51 with the merged ecomorph is wonderful. |
| 00:20.27 | Mtraker | 76, and onnly y write here |
| 00:20.35 | Mtraker | no other proces active |
| 00:20.37 | twiggz | havent tried it on the wifes box that has the nvidia card that needs the 173 driver yet |
| 00:20.57 | Mtraker | 76º |
| 00:21.01 | twiggz | the first version that supported the nvidia 173 driver failed hardcore on her machine |
| 00:21.49 | Thanatermesis | twiggz, try it with .51, i have do a fix for nvidia drivers |
| 00:22.07 | Thanatermesis | Mtraker, but fan is started or not ? |
| 00:22.14 | Mtraker | yes run |
| 00:22.14 | twiggz | she is using kubuntu with gay kde4 and liking it |
| 00:22.18 | twiggz | i am appalled |
| 00:22.19 | Thanatermesis | Mtraker, ah ok perfect :) |
| 00:22.31 | Thanatermesis | the fan should work only when is needed to cool the cpu |
| 00:22.34 | twiggz | i think kde4 is ugly, to complicated to theme, and hoggy. |
| 00:23.13 | Thanatermesis | twiggz, she dont like E ? |
| 00:23.47 | twiggz | she does, she just installed the latest kubuntu kde4 when it came out before she found out about .51 |
| 00:23.51 | twiggz | she likes it |
| 00:24.10 | Mtraker | can you port kdenlive to elive? :-P it's more easy than cinelerra |
| 00:24.15 | twiggz | the ecomorph module works fine on my intel gma 950 |
| 00:24.22 | twiggz | I love it. |
| 00:24.24 | keyra | Mtraker: cinelerra r0cks! |
| 00:24.28 | Thanatermesis | Mtraker, i think that is on the repos, no ? |
| 00:24.32 | Thanatermesis | Mtraker, but cinelerra is better :) |
| 00:24.33 | twiggz | I cant wait to see a debian testing based elive, Thanatermesis |
| 00:24.47 | Thanatermesis | twiggz, yes it works pretty good now :) |
| 00:24.48 | twiggz | Thanatermesis, i suggest moving to terminator for a terminal. |
| 00:24.54 | Mtraker | Thanatermesis, nop |
| 00:24.57 | twiggz | http://www.zianet.com/downsouth/halloweenopenbox.png |
| 00:25.02 | keyra | twiggz: configurations of terminal in elpanel, of course :) |
| 00:25.04 | Thanatermesis | twiggz, testing is for after the release of 2.0 |
| 00:25.22 | twiggz | terminator doesnt need screen to split a X terminal emulator horizontally or vertically... |
| 00:25.28 | twiggz | it owns the current urxvt |
| 00:25.31 | Thanatermesis | twiggz, why terminator ? |
| 00:25.38 | twiggz | read above |
| 00:25.42 | twiggz | and check the screenshot |
| 00:25.51 | twiggz | im about to see how it is on elive. |
| 00:26.05 | Mtraker | aps |
| 00:26.06 | Mtraker | ok |
| 00:26.26 | Thanatermesis | twiggz, well, you can allways install it and use it instaed of urxvt, in a easy way |
| 00:26.40 | Thanatermesis | Mtraker, creo que kdenlive ivene de los repos de debian, no estoy seguro ahora |
| 00:26.52 | twiggz | Yes, I could. but I think it would benefit everyone that uses elive to use terminator |
| 00:26.54 | keyra | Thanatermesis: Debian repos are included BY DEFAULT on Elive :), but don't modify the repositories of Elive, that's a ugly thing that broke systems |
| 00:27.03 | Thanatermesis | twiggz, for what you use a split ? |
| 00:27.26 | twiggz | Thanatermesis, so i dont have to open 4 or 5 terminals to do things... |
| 00:27.37 | Mtraker | solo para sid (creo) |
| 00:27.48 | twiggz | Thanatermesis, check the screenshot link i posted... |
| 00:27.54 | Thanatermesis | mmh, i preffer to open 4-5 terminals, so i can switch them with alt+tab |
| 00:28.00 | twiggz | terminator doesnt even need screen to split terminals |
| 00:28.18 | Thanatermesis | Mtraker, entonces creo que habrá que esperar, nose :/, el port es muy complicado y si encima tiene cosas de K va a ser imposible de mi parte xD |
| 00:28.27 | Mtraker | ok |
| 00:28.30 | twiggz | Thanatermesis, it shouldnt be about what YOU prefer, it should be about what your community prefers. |
| 00:28.56 | Thanatermesis | twiggz, i never used screen to split terminals, just to have processes running even if i logout of X that will continue running |
| 00:29.54 | Thanatermesis | i have never feel the need to split a terminal |
| 00:29.59 | Thanatermesis | i dont understand the sense of it |
| 00:31.49 | twiggz | again, it should not be about what you do or prefer, it should be about the community, Thanatermesis. you want a terminal thats flexible...terminator is definately more flexible than the urxvt. |
| 00:31.50 | she_dyed | Thanatermesis: i have a term split up using dvtm because i use a console app for chat |
| 00:32.04 | keyra | twiggz: configurations of terminal in elpanel, of course :) |
| 00:32.06 | she_dyed | and the bottom half is for cli commands |
| 00:32.10 | twiggz | ty, she_dyed. |
| 00:32.22 | she_dyed | so i can understand the need |
| 00:32.46 | she_dyed | i was surprised that dvtm was in the repos |
| 00:32.47 | twiggz | she_dyed, would you support a move to terminator simply because of its flexibility without screen or dvtm ? |
| 00:33.20 | she_dyed | twiggz: i see a deb for it, wouldnt that make it show up in the repos? |
| 00:33.25 | Thanatermesis | twiggz, more flexible just because it can split a terminal ? |
| 00:33.50 | twiggz | Thanatermesis, can urxvt split a terminal vertically or horizontally without screen ? |
| 00:33.52 | twiggz | no |
| 00:33.53 | Thanatermesis | she_dyed, so what's the difference of having 2 terminals opened and this splitted mode ? |
| 00:33.54 | twiggz | it cant. |
| 00:34.07 | twiggz | Thanatermesis, more resources used. |
| 00:34.28 | twiggz | more terminals open = more resources used |
| 00:35.01 | Thanatermesis | that's not really the case for urxvt |
| 00:35.04 | twiggz | Dont get me wrong, Thanatermesis, I am not trying to disrespect you. I am making a suggestion. |
| 00:35.22 | Thanatermesis | it is the case of 'how' is configured urxvt in elive, but not urxvt itself |
| 00:35.25 | twiggz | yes, i know all about urxvtc and urxvtd |
| 00:35.31 | Thanatermesis | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:35.34 | Thanatermesis | yes |
| 00:35.51 | twiggz | and they cant split a terminal anyway without another program doing it for them. |
| 00:35.55 | twiggz | so they fail. |
| 00:35.59 | Thanatermesis | twiggz, and i listen the suggestion :), but i dont found the real "need" of this point right now |
| 00:36.19 | Thanatermesis | well, imagine this case: |
| 00:36.28 | twiggz | Good, just as long as you dont think I am trying to disrespect you. |
| 00:36.32 | twiggz | Or Elive. |
| 00:36.36 | twiggz | I like Elive. |
| 00:36.39 | twiggz | You know this. |
| 00:37.08 | twiggz | I just think terminator and its user community would benefit from it...I want to hear from you how it would not benefit from it? |
| 00:37.40 | twiggz | I fought for ages to get that slamr bug fixed for my friends box |
| 00:37.42 | twiggz | lol... |
| 00:37.46 | twiggz | he loves elive now |
| 00:38.04 | Mtraker | le doy la razon a twiggz (yo uso tambien terminator) :-P |
| 00:38.09 | Thanatermesis | she_dyed, wants 2 kind of terminals, so he opens 2 terminals, put one in the bottom of the other one, resize it and get the better size/position for them, he can switch between one and other with alt-tab, he can open more terminals and put them in different ways, also in raised/lower layer so to profite more screen, he even can set a "remember" option in e17 in order to remember the size and position for this terminal so always can be o |
| 00:38.10 | Thanatermesis | pened on that virtual desktop, size, and position, etc... conclusion, is not the same ? |
| 00:38.12 | twiggz | Im a huge fan, but urxvt is not very flexible compared to terminator. |
| 00:38.20 | twiggz | Mtraker, english please |
| 00:38.24 | keyra | Thanatermesis: right click in teh application and search teh remember features |
| 00:38.33 | twiggz | No hablo espanol.. |
| 00:38.44 | she_dyed | twiggz wait its installable |
| 00:38.54 | she_dyed | its in my synaptic |
| 00:39.05 | twiggz | yes, i know it is she_dyed, i just think it should be default terminal. |
| 00:39.20 | keyra | twiggz: configurations of terminal in elpanel, of course :) |
| 00:39.27 | Mtraker | I think the same , I prefer terminator |
| 00:39.41 | twiggz | See, Thanatermesis: I am not alone. |
| 00:40.19 | she_dyed | ok here's my view on it |
| 00:40.35 | she_dyed | been a long time e user |
| 00:40.38 | she_dyed | e16 |
| 00:40.46 | twiggz | although urxvt can use a daemon and you can use urxvtc and make it appear as one process....who cares? |
| 00:41.02 | Thanatermesis | well, i haven't say that terminator CANT benefit the community, is just a matter that Elive has always used urxvt and it works very good and very stable, urxvt has a lot of features like utf8 (essential), lots of colors supported and ttf fonts (so you can put any font on your terminal, yes), utxvt is commonly used and very stable, i dont want to encounter tomorrow new problems so i know what's there with urxvt, other points: a lot of to |
| 00:41.02 | Thanatermesis | ols/scripts on Elive are configured to use urxvt with its options, a change means to fix all these tools, what happens if i forget any ? new bugs, or that there's now a feature that not works on terminator ? need to go back ? |
| 00:41.03 | twiggz | other than that...it does nothing that any other terminal emulater doesnt do |
| 00:41.10 | she_dyed | and when i moved to e17 I saw elive and it had term at tbe dock |
| 00:42.12 | she_dyed | and it behaved very close to Eterm from e16 but it wasnt eterm |
| 00:42.25 | twiggz | urxvt does nothing but make a bunch of terminals appear as 1 process and save some memory...which you wont do when video comes into play and you have 10 of them open ....terminator can split one terminal into however many your monitor allows while in fullscreen mode |
| 00:42.26 | keyra | she_dyed: warning: eterm does NOT support UTF8 characters, this will also break files that has utf8 characters, use urxvt instead |
| 00:42.37 | twiggz | URXVT doesnt even have a fullscreen mode. |
| 00:43.11 | Thanatermesis | ctrl + alt + f ? |
| 00:43.45 | she_dyed | twiggz its beginning to sound as if it was more for us power users |
| 00:44.02 | she_dyed | than the n00bie trying to figure out stuff |
| 00:44.37 | Thanatermesis | btw, i have thought long time ago to change urxvt to urxvtd in Elive by default |
| 00:44.59 | she_dyed | i havent tried that daemonized |
| 00:45.11 | twiggz | she_dyed, right clicking and choosing SPLIT HORIZONTALLY or SPLIT VERTICALLY is not hard, therefore not for a power user. |
| 00:45.13 | Thanatermesis | twiggz, how much colors support terminator ? it supports ttf fonts ? |
| 00:45.18 | Mtraker | see u tomorow... |
| 00:45.37 | she_dyed | right click? thats slick |
| 00:45.37 | Thanatermesis | see you Mtraker |
| 00:45.52 | Thanatermesis | terminator requires gtk, that's a -1 |
| 00:45.55 | she_dyed | cya Mtraker |
| 00:45.58 | twiggz | Thanatermesis, Ive never had a problem with fonts in it....its much like gnome terminal where you can choose fonts for it. |
| 00:46.08 | twiggz | it has its menus |
| 00:46.25 | Mtraker | is away: "me piro a dormir" |
| 00:46.27 | Thanatermesis | you can change codification in terminal, this should be avoided by any user of elive, we want things broken ? |
| 00:46.34 | twiggz | It would be easier for the user if you want to be technical. |
| 00:46.41 | keyra | Thanatermesis: configurations of terminal in elpanel, of course :) |
| 00:46.42 | she_dyed | i shuld try it on my laptop |
| 00:47.01 | twiggz | a new terminal would break what? |
| 00:47.06 | Thanatermesis | mmh, too much gnomish for Elive |
| 00:47.08 | twiggz | a link in thunar ? |
| 00:47.10 | twiggz | lol |
| 00:47.28 | Thanatermesis | link in thunar ? |
| 00:47.41 | twiggz | yeah, setting a new terminal as default |
| 00:47.48 | Thanatermesis | hehe, not that easy :) |
| 00:47.50 | twiggz | otherwise, what would it break? |
| 00:47.52 | Thanatermesis | thunar is just one of the lot of things |
| 00:47.59 | twiggz | elpanel? |
| 00:47.59 | Thanatermesis | i suppose that there's around at least 20 things to change |
| 00:48.01 | Thanatermesis | found them |
| 00:48.03 | twiggz | I never use that. |
| 00:48.10 | Thanatermesis | they are part of Elive |
| 00:48.20 | Thanatermesis | so, if is not changed: something will be broken |
| 00:48.28 | twiggz | elpanel sorry is a piece of crap. It isnt helpful. Its not very intuitive and its ugly. |
| 00:48.47 | Thanatermesis | better to have it than not :) |
| 00:49.02 | twiggz | you wouldnt need elpanel where terminator is concerned for a terminal. |
| 00:49.39 | twiggz | i refer you to crunchbang linux's set up |
| 00:49.45 | twiggz | for terminator |
| 00:50.03 | twiggz | its easily figured out without a heavy GUI like elpanel. |
| 00:50.13 | twiggz | using gedit or geany or something... |
| 00:50.26 | Thanatermesis | elpanel is not just for terminal |
| 00:50.31 | *** join/#elive wasynyt_eee (n=wasynyt@a88-85-156-247.mpynet.fi) |
| 00:50.35 | twiggz | i know that, Thanatermesis |
| 00:50.53 | twiggz | but i have never found elpanel helpful with using urxvt |
| 00:51.01 | twiggz | and you know ive been using elive for a long time. |
| 00:51.12 | twiggz | i report bugs and problems to you here for a year atleast... |
| 00:51.27 | keyra | twiggz: http://bugs.elivecd.org |
| 00:52.27 | twiggz | besides..if you are going to tout that urxvt can be used as urxctc and urxvtd .....why doesnt it do that by default in elive? |
| 00:52.45 | twiggz | you arent even making the full use of urxvt default in elive. |
| 00:54.02 | twiggz | again i state: its not about what Thanatermesis thinks is right, its about the community, without an elive community, you are alone and youre distro gets used never. |
| 00:54.10 | Thanatermesis | twiggz, she_dyed http://home.thanatermesis.org/shots/deleteme-terminals-fonts.jpg |
| 00:54.24 | keyra | Thanatermesis: configurations of terminal in elpanel, of course :) |
| 00:55.06 | twiggz | Thanatermesis, not only are those ugly, but you had to open four of them to do what one terminator could do with a few right clicks. |
| 00:57.18 | Thanatermesis | i can open 4 of them in only 4 keyboard clicks, so less than 1/2 second, how much seconds is needed to browse menus to open 4 splits ? |
| 00:57.35 | Thanatermesis | twiggz, the community can install terminator, is not the same as if the community can't do that |
| 00:57.43 | twiggz | btw: love merging ecomorph into the regular elive dev releases,. thats great. it works 100% here on my gma 950 intel card. |
| 00:57.47 | Thanatermesis | terminator requires gtk , thats a bad point |
| 00:57.58 | twiggz | xchat doesnt? |
| 00:58.14 | Thanatermesis | yes but because there's not a non-gtk alternative of xchat :) |
| 00:58.16 | twiggz | a number of your applications included with elive require gtk |
| 00:58.17 | Thanatermesis | urxvt is |
| 00:58.23 | twiggz | dont front |
| 00:58.28 | twiggz | now you are being simple |
| 00:58.41 | twiggz | gtk2 is included on elive by default. |
| 00:58.44 | twiggz | dont front. |
| 00:58.51 | Thanatermesis | the thing is, why to add a dependency to gtk libs loaded in the ram when you can do the same without it ? |
| 00:59.29 | twiggz | why use a terminal that doesnt do shit ? and you have to open 10 of them to do things? |
| 00:59.45 | twiggz | either way, you end up spending atleast the same amount of video ram. |
| 00:59.47 | *** join/#elive Elive_user61 (n=Elive_us@brn29-1-82-245-190-168.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 00:59.54 | twiggz | its just easier with terminator. |
| 01:00.14 | Thanatermesis | i use almost terminals, my desktops are full of terminals, what is wrong with it ? |
| 01:00.50 | twiggz | This is where elive is failing, you think more about what you like, not what other users will like. |
| 01:01.00 | she_dyed | its a click away just like my dvtm |
| 01:01.02 | Thanatermesis | dont think that Elive is failing anywhere |
| 01:01.13 | twiggz | thats right, she_dyed |
| 01:01.15 | Thanatermesis | well, maybe in the release timeline :) |
| 01:01.15 | she_dyed | so it is available |
| 01:02.07 | Thanatermesis | twiggz, talking about "what i like"... see that i make Elive "just as what i like"... if not, we will have a brown plain desktop with solitaire only on the menus |
| 01:02.09 | twiggz | Thanatermesis, i think Elive is failing in a few places, upgradeablility, this urxvt sucks, props to you though for including ecomorph with the normal devel releases... |
| 01:02.23 | keyra | twiggz: The first thing to do if anything sucks is to report it to http://bugs.elivecd.org ! Or do you think things might get fixed magically without anybody knowing?? |
| 01:02.31 | twiggz | you cant just dist-upgrade elive...its not that compatible...you should work on that. |
| 01:02.46 | keyra | twiggz: if you want to upgrade your elive system to a newest one without reinstall, this is not totally possible... because a lot of features are added in the 'process' (boot, configurations, detections, updates, install features, etc) and not just the packages, read the changelog of the releases so you can see the new features added and decide what you do |
| 01:02.55 | Thanatermesis | twiggz, tell me a problem of dist-upgrade |
| 01:02.55 | twiggz | install one dev release and thats what you ahve...apt-get upgrade it and its liable to go all to hell. |
| 01:03.09 | keyra | Thanatermesis: if you want to upgrade your elive system to a newest one without reinstall, this is not totally possible... because a lot of features are added in the 'process' (boot, configurations, detections, updates, install features, etc) and not just the packages, read the changelog of the releases so you can see the new features added and decide what you do |
| 01:03.23 | twiggz | Thanatermesis, you yourself suggested for me to try dist-upgrading to testing...the system didnt even boot. |
| 01:03.23 | keyra | twiggz: if you want to upgrade your elive system to a newest one without reinstall, this is not totally possible... because a lot of features are added in the 'process' (boot, configurations, detections, updates, install features, etc) and not just the packages, read the changelog of the releases so you can see the new features added and decide what you do |
| 01:03.28 | twiggz | I reported this to you. |
| 01:03.52 | Thanatermesis | mmh, when happened that ? what was the cause ? |
| 01:04.43 | twiggz | hell, i dont remmember two months ago, i just know it went over like a fart in a space suit. |
| 01:04.47 | twiggz | in any case |
| 01:05.08 | twiggz | even if its kept lenny (stable) based ...upgrading it is unreliable. |
| 01:05.47 | twiggz | Deny that and you are a liar, keyra will talk shit. |
| 01:05.54 | Thanatermesis | well, the actual conclusion about terminator is 2 important points: 1) i dont see the really *need* to change it, i dont found the usefulness priority to use another thing than urxvt and i dont get the "nice" points that terminator has versus urxvt in order to make a change. 2) to change that will open the doors to at least 20 new bugs and 10 future problems |
| 01:06.01 | twiggz | keyra dist-upgrade |
| 01:07.09 | Thanatermesis | twiggz, sincerly, i never got any dist-upgrade problem on any of my machines and if there's any, i will fix it |
| 01:07.11 | Thanatermesis | for example |
| 01:07.14 | twiggz | Thanatermesis, 1} YOU dont see the point , 2} you dont know what bugs or problems that will open if you and your team do your work. |
| 01:07.17 | twiggz | its a terminal |
| 01:07.19 | twiggz | not a daemon |
| 01:07.22 | twiggz | not a service |
| 01:07.31 | keyra | twiggz: configurations of terminal in elpanel, of course :) |
| 01:07.36 | Thanatermesis | it was a problem with nvidia drivers or ATI drivers... this is SOLVED, but see that this is solved in Elive, debian or ubuntu doesn't do that in any way |
| 01:07.52 | twiggz | LOL? |
| 01:08.02 | Thanatermesis | and another problem: Elive uses now own "debian repos snapshots", on that way i can have the full control that nothing goes wrong when dist-upgrading |
| 01:08.05 | twiggz | kubuntu installed my wifes 173 drivers like nothing. |
| 01:08.12 | twiggz | you dont know what youre talking about. |
| 01:08.16 | Thanatermesis | s/problem/solved-thing/ |
| 01:08.17 | keyra | Thanatermesis: Debian repos are included BY DEFAULT on Elive :), but don't modify the repositories of Elive, that's a ugly thing that broke systems |
| 01:08.43 | Thanatermesis | 1} YOU dont see the point |
| 01:08.47 | Thanatermesis | yes, that's what i have say |
| 01:09.06 | twiggz | 1) you think of yourself and your issues, not of what benefits who uses your distro. |
| 01:09.07 | Thanatermesis | 2} you dont know what bugs or problems that will open if you and your team do your work. |
| 01:09.09 | Thanatermesis | i know them :) |
| 01:09.30 | twiggz | 2} no you dont, you havent tried it, so you couldnt possibly know |
| 01:09.30 | Thanatermesis | after 7-8 years making Elive i know what can happens if... |
| 01:09.41 | Thanatermesis | just predictable things |
| 01:09.58 | Thanatermesis | but i can assure you, no less than 10-20 bugs and 5-10 future problems doing that |
| 01:10.16 | twiggz | but to benefit everyone? its not worth it? |
| 01:10.30 | twiggz | Lazy ass. |
| 01:10.31 | Thanatermesis | <twiggz> kubuntu installed my wifes 173 drivers like nothing. |
| 01:10.36 | Thanatermesis | right, i dont know how ubuntu manages things |
| 01:10.39 | Thanatermesis | but i know how debian does |
| 01:10.50 | Thanatermesis | btw, what does ubuntu if you do an upgrade, what happens with nvidia ? |
| 01:10.53 | twiggz | Yeah, your distro failed. Im about to make her try .51 |
| 01:10.54 | Thanatermesis | is a new kernel included ? |
| 01:11.13 | Thanatermesis | <twiggz> 2} no you dont, you havent tried it, so you couldnt possibly know |
| 01:11.17 | Thanatermesis | i dont need to try it to know |
| 01:11.25 | twiggz | So you say. |
| 01:11.40 | LinuxNIT | sees a pointless argument |
| 01:11.45 | twiggz | Me to |
| 01:11.50 | twiggz | its over a stupid terminal |
| 01:11.57 | LinuxNIT | neither one of you will change the others mind |
| 01:12.08 | twiggz | ill install debiam minimal and get the same shit that i get from this. |
| 01:12.13 | twiggz | because im not an idiot. |
| 01:12.16 | LinuxNIT | twiggz, then why are you arguing.... |
| 01:12.43 | twiggz | LinuxNIT, because I fully believe that terminator is a better terminal and would benefit anyone who uses elive. |
| 01:12.49 | Thanatermesis | twiggz, lazy ass ? looks like you really dont know how much work there's around, ask yourself with there's no stable releases since long time, i can assure that there's more than 3000 lines of TODO list for Elive, i dont want to have 3001 with terminator, at least if it doesn't reach the number 3000 priority/needed |
| 01:13.05 | Thanatermesis | if was a really important/priority/needed thing, then will be considered |
| 01:17.58 | Thanatermesis | well... let's close a bit this IRC, i need to finish some e17 modules asap |
| 01:18.12 | twiggz | E17 will never be stable...if you are waiting on one of those......dont hold your breath. |
| 01:18.25 | twiggz | its been beta for atleast a decade |
| 01:18.32 | Thanatermesis | i never waited e17 stable :) |
| 01:18.34 | twiggz | terminator is atleast released stable |
| 01:18.41 | Thanatermesis | lol |
| 01:19.24 | twiggz | and yes, i am developing my own distro myself, Thanatermesis, i know how much work is involved. |
| 01:19.31 | twiggz | Dont assume to much about me. |
| 01:20.05 | Thanatermesis | im sorry twiggz, i wont' move to terminator at least for now, i dont see the really usefulness to that, there's a good bunch more of CONS than PROS (im not sure if that is correctly writed), apart it needs some benchmarkings and there's a lot of work, and also with open the doors to new bugs and future problems, that's the end conclusion... BUT, you can install it and replace urxvt by terminator in a easy way |
| 01:21.16 | twiggz | Thanatermesis, you seem to see only what you see as useful and not as what your users may like. although it is available in the repos, i was just making a suggestion. urxvt sucks....and elpanel really doesnt help with it..... |
| 01:21.30 | keyra | twiggz: The first thing to do if anything sucks is to report it to http://bugs.elivecd.org ! Or do you think things might get fixed magically without anybody knowing?? |
| 01:21.33 | twiggz | myself, i am developing an openbox distro from scratch |
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| 01:21.37 | twiggz | not based on anything |
| 01:21.44 | twiggz | based on what i want |
| 01:22.06 | twiggz | i wont use another distro to hump off of. |
| 01:22.24 | twiggz | thre are enough of those around. |
| 01:23.19 | Thanatermesis | twiggz, about elpanel, dont' worry, it needs a rewrite :) its just another (old) line in the big TODO list |
| 01:23.28 | twiggz | yes it definately does. |
| 01:26.27 | LinuxNIT | <twiggz> based on what i want |
| 01:26.30 | LinuxNIT | <twiggz> 1) you think of yourself and your issues, not of what benefits who uses your distro. |
| 01:26.34 | LinuxNIT | :) |
| 01:27.12 | LinuxNIT | sorry i just found it ironic |
| 01:30.04 | twiggz | sorry, had to take a dump |
| 01:30.14 | LinuxNIT | tmi |
| 01:31.17 | twiggz | LinuxNIT, my point is, im dong a distro from scratch, with no help from anyone...and i doubt it will ever reach distrowatch..but i will try..so I know the work involved. I mean "based on what I want" as in not basing it off of some existing distribution of linux making it easy. |
| 01:31.30 | twiggz | doing* |
| 01:31.48 | twiggz | easier* |
| 01:36.20 | twiggz | Sure, I could base an openbox distro off of debian and rename it...shit ..theres a website that can create an image to do that... |
| 01:36.22 | twiggz | lol.. |
| 01:37.05 | twiggz | this is all over a terminal...and not worth an argument..when i was just giving a suggestion...and i dont understand his objections.... |
| 01:37.20 | keyra | twiggz: configurations of terminal in elpanel, of course :) |
| 01:37.25 | twiggz | if he needs help incorporating it...because it is a better terminal than urxvt..ill help... |
| 01:38.30 | twiggz | his objections are based around work for him, not really fair to people that use this distro...i understand he may be working alone...but i doubt it...im sure some of you help... |
| 01:38.39 | twiggz | I dont have that luxury. |
| 01:38.58 | twiggz | and then to ask to pay for a stable release that you cant even upgrade reliably? |
| 01:39.01 | twiggz | comon |
| 01:39.09 | LinuxNIT | no you dont... but you have the luxury of a smaller user base (1?) which produces few problems |
| 01:39.27 | twiggz | You assume that. |
| 01:39.45 | twiggz | You assume that I dont know how to assess problems correctly myself. |
| 01:40.00 | LinuxNIT | no i did not |
| 01:40.55 | twiggz | I will not release before I am sure it is 100% up to date, and 100% problem free as much as humanly possible. |
| 01:40.59 | twiggz | By myself. |
| 01:41.14 | twiggz | lenny, is not UPT TO DATE |
| 01:41.35 | twiggz | if you want to get into symantics. |
| 01:41.38 | LinuxNIT | debian stable was never intended to be an "up to date" release |
| 01:41.58 | twiggz | I know, its more used for servers than anything else. |
| 01:42.05 | twiggz | my server uses debian stable. |
| 01:42.15 | twiggz | i just fixed the new exploit on it. |
| 01:42.24 | LinuxNIT | then fails to see the relavence |
| 01:42.43 | LinuxNIT | you must be pretty good |
| 01:42.45 | twiggz | stable is not suitable for a desktop. |
| 01:42.57 | LinuxNIT | works for mine |
| 01:43.20 | LinuxNIT | well im gonna spend time with my wife |
| 01:43.24 | twiggz | I might as well run openbsd and E17 lol...its newer. |
| 01:43.27 | LinuxNIT | enjoy yourself (im sure you will) |
| 01:43.56 | twiggz | But I like debian, i never meant this to be an insult to anyone... |
| 01:44.02 | twiggz | especially Thanatermesis |
| 01:44.14 | twiggz | hes done great work getting E17 on lenny |
| 01:45.10 | twiggz | I offered a suggestion and several people backed me up and he got defensive....like i was disrespecting him..really..changing the default terminal in a distribution is NOT HARD |
| 01:45.25 | keyra | twiggz: configurations of terminal in elpanel, of course :) |
| 01:45.33 | twiggz | he acted like it wouldbe a lot of work..it wouldnt be.. |
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| 03:08.35 | Elive_user46_en | hello guys, i have this strange issue. When I'm playing xmms like apps, when focus shifts to other app, like wine app, sound stops... i have to stop the music and start/play agian and it comes back... then again if something pops up from another app, focus shifts.. it goes silent again... eventhough it continues to play |
| 03:09.43 | Elive_user46_en | have you guys observed anything like this? what can I play with to fix this issue? |
| 03:15.07 | sundro | ? |
| 04:00.21 | she_dyed | sundro: alsa? |
| 04:07.57 | sundro | i reconfigured alsa few times.... its something strange... dont know... why it cannot play in the background |
| 04:08.12 | keyra | sundro: take a look at that: http://bugs.elivecd.org/?do=details&task_id=33&histring=background |
| 04:08.21 | she_dyed | startup a sound mixer daemon |
| 04:08.35 | she_dyed | install either esd or esound |
| 04:08.46 | she_dyed | from synaptic |
| 04:09.08 | she_dyed | that lets multiple sound sources play at the same time |
| 04:09.19 | she_dyed | just like artsd in kde |
| 04:09.20 | sundro | looks like i have esd installed |
| 04:09.23 | keyra | she_dyed: Try to play with alsa/esound-options in Elpanel's Audio-configuration. |
| 04:09.40 | she_dyed | is it running? |
| 04:10.37 | sundro | yea... awesome |
| 04:10.40 | sundro | just started esd |
| 04:10.44 | sundro | and now it playes |
| 04:10.49 | sundro | without problems |
| 04:10.53 | she_dyed | even when switching? |
| 04:11.01 | sundro | yup |
| 04:11.03 | she_dyed | so just make sure its part of startup |
| 04:11.20 | she_dyed | in settings>settings panel |
| 04:11.37 | sundro | i'm playing poker and when it prompts me that its my turn, music would stop, now its playing |
| 04:11.37 | she_dyed | i think its either in system>services |
| 04:11.39 | sundro | awesome! |
| 04:11.40 | sundro | thanks guys |
| 04:11.46 | she_dyed | nice :) |
| 04:11.53 | sundro | so I guess i have to run esd somewhere in the background |
| 04:12.13 | she_dyed | it maybe part of startup already, make sure |
| 04:13.05 | sundro | no only elxstrt is part of startup |
| 04:13.47 | she_dyed | well you COULD add it there, but its more 'system ' startup |
| 04:14.20 | she_dyed | settings>settings panel>system>services |
| 04:14.24 | she_dyed | something like that |
| 04:14.40 | she_dyed | bec you can make it part of the boot process |
| 04:15.24 | she_dyed | that way it will also shut down properly |
| 04:17.09 | sundro | its under system-) bootup manager and I see services but I cannot add new one?! |
| 04:17.41 | she_dyed | ! |
| 04:18.05 | she_dyed | oh see if elpanel has 'sound daemon' |
| 04:18.50 | she_dyed | am not sure if there is where it will add esd to the list |
| 04:19.02 | sundro | no it does not |
| 04:19.36 | sundro | i can just add manually from /etc/init.d |
| 04:19.41 | sundro | link to rc*.d |
| 04:19.48 | she_dyed | oh good you know how |
| 04:19.55 | she_dyed | so no big deal |
| 04:20.10 | she_dyed | i wasnt sure if you were familiar |
| 04:20.18 | sundro | but I do not have esd deamon/startup script under /etc/init.d |
| 04:20.40 | she_dyed | look in synaptic > properties >installed files |
| 04:20.51 | she_dyed | it will list where they went |
| 04:21.54 | she_dyed | worst case would be adding the command to rc.local |
| 04:22.00 | she_dyed | :) |
| 04:26.49 | sundro | i do have esound deamon and supporting files installed. :( will figure out... at least now i know |
| 04:26.57 | sundro | thanks guys!!! much appreciated! |
| 04:27.47 | she_dyed | ok man have fun |
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| 07:55.40 | Elive_user67_it | hi |
| 07:55.48 | mique | rehi |
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| 10:26.07 | Elive_user69_de | hi ho |
| 10:26.58 | Elive_user69_de | wasynyt, Wizard o/ |
| 10:27.12 | Elive_user69_de | oh, Thanatermesis himselfe is here too. |
| 10:27.13 | Elive_user69_de | nice. |
| 10:27.16 | Elive_user69_de | Hi Thanatermesis |
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| 13:04.06 | she_dyed | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:05.00 | she_dyed | 'Your /usr/bin/java claims to be a gij! run away!' wtf |
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| 13:10.11 | she_dyed | so much for that |
| 13:16.33 | PrinceAMD | :/ |
| 13:17.08 | she_dyed | hi PrinceAMD do you use it? terminator? |
| 13:22.36 | twiggz | java? |
| 13:23.12 | she_dyed | yeah.i am sending to the mail group to see whats up with that |
| 13:23.20 | she_dyed | this is the SUSE rpm |
| 13:23.28 | twiggz | you could just join #terminator |
| 13:23.30 | twiggz | lol |
| 13:23.42 | she_dyed | ah ok |
| 13:24.19 | PrinceAMD | she_dyed, no i have no idea what it is |
| 13:24.27 | she_dyed | i didnt see that on the website |
| 13:24.35 | PrinceAMD | community/terminator 0.13-6 |
| 13:24.36 | twiggz | i always install the sun-java6-plugin for the web so if it needs java i wouldnt have noticed |
| 13:24.38 | PrinceAMD | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:24.44 | she_dyed | i only saw the manpage leading to the group |
| 13:24.52 | keyra | PrinceAMD: configurations of terminal in elpanel, of course :) |
| 13:24.53 | she_dyed | is there a nonfat version |
| 13:24.56 | twiggz | PrinceAMD, its AWESOME! |
| 13:24.58 | PrinceAMD | she_dyed, it opens here |
| 13:25.11 | twiggz | she_dyed, sounds like a suse thing. |
| 13:25.14 | she_dyed | yeah |
| 13:25.18 | PrinceAMD | twiggz, how to get another window inside of it |
| 13:25.25 | PrinceAMD | ah it has right click :/ |
| 13:25.34 | twiggz | right click in it and choose split horiz or vert |
| 13:25.36 | twiggz | lol |
| 13:25.40 | PrinceAMD | shit this is AWESOME |
| 13:25.40 | she_dyed | whats the shortcut key |
| 13:27.24 | twiggz | i bet you could set all that up in .config/terminator/config file |
| 13:27.53 | twiggz | right clicking is just to easy to bother doing all that though |
| 13:27.55 | twiggz | lol |
| 13:28.42 | twiggz | it does need xcompmgr to be running to be transparent though, im about to try it out on elive and see how the transparency works. |
| 13:28.52 | PrinceAMD | sweet i like the sloppy focus :) |
| 13:29.15 | she_dyed | the man page is better on this one |
| 13:29.43 | twiggz | i just installed it on elive, its the 0.9-1.1 |
| 13:30.31 | PrinceAMD | terminator 0.13 |
| 13:31.27 | PrinceAMD | this terminator is better than the movies :) |
| 13:32.06 | she_dyed | i need a font specified... |
| 13:32.10 | she_dyed | too small at startup |
| 13:32.35 | twiggz | she_dyed, you can do all that in ~/.config/terminator/config |
| 13:32.49 | PrinceAMD | URxvt.font: xft:DejaVu Sans Mono-10:medium:dpi=84:antialias=true |
| 13:32.50 | PrinceAMD | URxvt.boldFont: xft:DejaVu Sans Mono-10:bold:dpi=84:antialias=true |
| 13:33.28 | she_dyed | is that in the config for terminator PrinceAMD ? |
| 13:33.49 | PrinceAMD | she_dyed, no urxvt , put it in .Xdefaults |
| 13:34.05 | twiggz | scrollbar_position=disabled |
| 13:34.05 | twiggz | force_no_bell=true |
| 13:34.06 | twiggz | background_color=#000000 |
| 13:34.06 | twiggz | foreground_color=#FFFFFF |
| 13:34.06 | twiggz | font=Mono 7 |
| 13:34.08 | twiggz | like that |
| 13:34.14 | twiggz | in the terminator config |
| 13:34.17 | PrinceAMD | brb |
| 13:34.20 | keyra | twiggz: take a look at that: http://bugs.elivecd.org/?do=details&task_id=33&histring=background |
| 13:34.32 | twiggz | background_type=transparent |
| 13:34.32 | twiggz | enable_real_transparency=true |
| 13:34.32 | twiggz | background_darkness=0.8 |
| 13:34.46 | twiggz | need xcompmgr started for transparency though |
| 13:36.03 | DammitJim | what is the terminator ? |
| 13:36.37 | she_dyed | a terminal emulator |
| 13:36.52 | keyra | she_dyed: configurations of terminal in elpanel, of course :) |
| 13:37.08 | DammitJim | does it come with elive? |
| 13:37.09 | she_dyed | that can split H and Vertical |
| 13:37.17 | she_dyed | its in synaptuc |
| 13:37.22 | she_dyed | tic |
| 13:37.25 | DammitJim | do you have screenshots? |
| 13:37.34 | she_dyed | 1 sec |
| 13:37.49 | she_dyed | http://software.jessies.org/terminator/ |
| 13:38.26 | DammitJim | you mean where you have multiple tabs? |
| 13:38.31 | she_dyed | guess the java rules it out of lightweight territory |
| 13:39.00 | she_dyed | not just tabs (i hate them) but i was thinking split H or V like dvtm |
| 13:39.08 | she_dyed | Hor like screen |
| 13:40.07 | twiggz | DammitJim, it should come with elive |
| 13:40.13 | twiggz | but it doesnt :( |
| 13:40.20 | she_dyed | it does man |
| 13:40.26 | she_dyed | its treated fairly |
| 13:40.43 | twiggz | http://www.zianet.com/downsouth/halloweenopenbox.png |
| 13:40.50 | twiggz | thats my screenie of it |
| 13:40.54 | she_dyed | tbh it needs ruby and java and gtk |
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| 13:41.16 | DammitJim | do you guys know how to change themes on pidgin? |
| 13:41.19 | twiggz | I havent woke up enough to configure it yet on enligtenment |
| 13:41.37 | she_dyed | i dont use pidgin |
| 13:42.04 | she_dyed | isnt the config called .purple or something :) |
| 13:42.15 | twiggz | i hate amsn |
| 13:42.18 | twiggz | its so..huge |
| 13:42.24 | twiggz | everything in it is so...huge |
| 13:42.41 | twiggz | its rather windowzy |
| 13:43.55 | twiggz | i wonder if xcompmgr and E17 play nice... |
| 13:45.32 | twiggz | she_dyed, i just installed it on elive, unless ruby is already installed for something else...apt-get just got terminator |
| 13:45.44 | twiggz | i am so not awake enough for tech talk |
| 13:46.17 | she_dyed | get your coffee or other perker upper |
| 13:47.18 | twiggz | im no E17 expert, my distro is going to be openbox with a few things from lxde, like lxappearance, and lxpanel.... |
| 13:48.17 | she_dyed | damm not picking up Xdefaults |
| 13:48.48 | twiggz | no, it picks up from your ~/.config/terminator/config file |
| 13:49.11 | twiggz | unless you specify another config file at startup |
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| 13:56.43 | twiggz | unless suse has gayed it out or something lol |
| 13:56.51 | twiggz | which is what it sounds like |
| 14:00.33 | she_dyed | i think this is messing it up and not picking up |
| 14:00.39 | she_dyed | (terminator:17946): Vte-WARNING **: Error compiling regular expression "[[:<:]](news:|telnet:|nntp:|file:/|https?:|ftps?:|webcal:)//([-A-Za-z0-9]+(:[-A-Za-z0-9,?;.:/!%$^*&~"#']+)?@)?[-A-Za-z0-9.]+(:[0-9]+)?(/[-A-Za-z0-9_$.+!*(),;:@&=?/~#%']*[^]'.}>) |
| 14:00.41 | she_dyed | ,\"])?[[:>:]]/?" |
| 14:01.17 | she_dyed | i have a slightly older one i think |
| 14:01.38 | she_dyed | this is elive when it first came out with ecomorph |
| 14:01.51 | she_dyed | and on my laptop it wants a newer java |
| 14:03.05 | she_dyed | let me try keys to enlarge fonts |
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| 14:05.57 | twiggz | I get the same thing on elive |
| 14:06.47 | twiggz | blame the .deb package |
| 14:06.48 | twiggz | lol |
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| 14:08.04 | she_dyed | dammit |
| 14:08.13 | DammitJim | jim |
| 14:08.13 | she_dyed | no not you jim :) |
| 14:08.17 | she_dyed | lol |
| 14:08.39 | she_dyed | twiggz: the java pushes this out of lightweight terrotory |
| 14:08.44 | she_dyed | s/o/i |
| 14:10.06 | twiggz | http://packages.debian.org/sid/terminator |
| 14:10.34 | twiggz | java is not listed as a dependancy :) |
| 14:10.37 | twiggz | you are wrong. |
| 14:10.42 | twiggz | or suse is just stupid |
| 14:11.01 | she_dyed | probably |
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| 14:11.17 | she_dyed | in requiring it |
| 14:11.37 | she_dyed | did you grab the sid one? |
| 14:11.46 | twiggz | no, just the one from the stable repo |
| 14:12.22 | twiggz | lenny doesnt have it requiring ruby or java either |
| 14:12.23 | twiggz | lol |
| 14:12.37 | she_dyed | suse's packaging is stupid |
| 14:12.59 | twiggz | http://packages.debian.org/lenny/terminator |
| 14:13.11 | twiggz | puts terminator back into the lightweight division |
| 14:13.56 | twiggz | kicks suse into the fat whore box |
| 14:14.34 | twiggz | :) |
| 14:14.56 | she_dyed | not so fast man |
| 14:15.09 | she_dyed | its on the main page, we dont notice it |
| 14:15.32 | she_dyed | Terminator will run on any modern OS with Java 5 or later |
| 14:15.40 | she_dyed | as long as you have that you're ok |
| 14:16.04 | twiggz | well let me remove my java6 and test that out :) |
| 14:16.19 | she_dyed | gets the extinguisher |
| 14:17.13 | she_dyed | dang when i split the term it still starts with the smallest font |
| 14:17.16 | she_dyed | grrrr |
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| 14:17.54 | jturek | hi guys, is there a list of shortcut keys that are built into the base elive system |
| 14:17.59 | jturek | like a shortcut to launch the terminal |
| 14:18.14 | she_dyed | ctl-alt-e i think but |
| 14:18.14 | keyra | jturek: configurations of terminal in elpanel, of course :) |
| 14:18.16 | twiggz | synaptic isnt removing it with the sun-java6-stuff |
| 14:18.23 | twiggz | there |
| 14:18.32 | jturek | yeap that CTRL-ALT-E worked |
| 14:18.33 | twiggz | java everything removed from my elive system |
| 14:18.38 | she_dyed | you can find them in settings>settings panel>input jturek |
| 14:18.49 | twiggz | GUESS WHAT |
| 14:18.52 | twiggz | TERMINATOR STILL RUNS |
| 14:18.56 | she_dyed | it runs!! |
| 14:19.00 | twiggz | YES |
| 14:19.07 | twiggz | no complaining about java either |
| 14:19.13 | jturek | is there a wiki? I'll go thru and make a wiki page with all of the shortcuts so people can use it as a reference |
| 14:19.53 | twiggz | puts terminator back into the lightweight division for good |
| 14:20.06 | she_dyed | you know jturek its not on the topic about a wiki page |
| 14:20.15 | she_dyed | but check your bookmarks in iceweasel |
| 14:20.41 | she_dyed | it maybe in Englightenment before the word wiki was born |
| 14:21.19 | she_dyed | how do i save settings |
| 14:21.21 | jturek | gotcha |
| 14:21.28 | jturek | this is my fist day with elive, so far.. awesome |
| 14:21.35 | she_dyed | nice |
| 14:21.56 | she_dyed | there is also an #e channel |
| 14:22.08 | jturek | can't get wireless going thats the only thing that doesn't work |
| 14:22.32 | she_dyed | how do you get online now? wired? |
| 14:23.00 | jturek | wired at my desk |
| 14:23.08 | she_dyed | you can check the forums and afterward the bug report list |
| 14:23.19 | she_dyed | to see if there is a workaround |
| 14:23.23 | keyra | she_dyed: http://bugs.elivecd.org |
| 14:23.44 | she_dyed | thanks keyra jturek look here ^^ |
| 14:23.59 | keyra | she_dyed: welcome :) |
| 14:24.11 | she_dyed | i want to save the current settings man |
| 14:24.13 | she_dyed | grrrr |
| 14:24.58 | jturek | does apt-get dist-upgrade always get me the latest elive dev? |
| 14:25.13 | keyra | jturek: if you want to upgrade your elive system to a newest one without reinstall, this is not totally possible... because a lot of features are added in the 'process' (boot, configurations, detections, updates, install features, etc) and not just the packages, read the changelog of the releases so you can see the new features added and decide what you do |
| 14:26.51 | twiggz | yes |
| 14:26.58 | twiggz | terminator runs without java6 |
| 14:27.06 | twiggz | no problems here |
| 14:27.07 | she_dyed | and there is no /usr/bin/java |
| 14:27.25 | she_dyed | stupid suse |
| 14:27.39 | jturek | ok stupid question then, what elive dev load am I on |
| 14:27.55 | twiggz | i think suses goal is to make everything as fat as possible. |
| 14:27.55 | she_dyed | more /etc/elive-<tab> |
| 14:28.17 | she_dyed | my problem is, the rpm came from the terminator website |
| 14:28.43 | twiggz | the .deb here from lenny repos works fine with no java |
| 14:29.26 | jturek | elive-codename: Gem+ (development) |
| 14:29.26 | jturek | elive-version: 1.9.51 |
| 14:29.26 | jturek | debian-version: lenny |
| 14:29.26 | jturek | date-builded: 2009-10-22 |
| 14:29.30 | jturek | so that is pretty recent then |
| 14:29.36 | she_dyed | new |
| 14:29.38 | twiggz | that is the latest |
| 14:29.41 | jturek | ok good |
| 14:30.57 | twiggz | removes amsn |
| 14:31.00 | twiggz | its ugly. |
| 14:31.18 | twiggz | it doesnt fit in with the rest of elives scheme |
| 14:31.33 | jturek | pidgin looks pretty nice in elive |
| 14:31.45 | twiggz | yes it does |
| 14:31.54 | twiggz | but i was thinking more along the lines of finch |
| 14:31.58 | twiggz | pidgin in a terminal |
| 14:32.04 | jturek | ohh |
| 14:32.08 | jturek | never messed with that |
| 14:32.12 | keyra | twiggz: configurations of terminal in elpanel, of course :) |
| 14:32.19 | she_dyed | i use centerim myself |
| 14:32.30 | jturek | centerim/centericq was my terminal messaging favoriate back in the day |
| 14:32.34 | twiggz | centerim is easier to use than finch, its more self explainatory |
| 14:32.41 | jturek | nods |
| 14:32.49 | twiggz | but finch uses more protocols |
| 14:32.58 | twiggz | well, more popular ones anyway |
| 14:33.03 | twiggz | like googletalk and stuff |
| 14:33.51 | she_dyed | the jabber in it can do the job but I dont have many folks in googletalk |
| 14:34.16 | she_dyed | and i see them here on irc |
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| 15:35.16 | Elive_user35_de | she_dyed |
| 15:35.31 | she_dyed | hey man |
| 15:35.34 | Elive_user35_de | are you from usa? |
| 15:35.35 | Elive_user35_de | hi |
| 15:35.38 | she_dyed | yes |
| 15:36.08 | Elive_user35_de | do you developing elive? |
| 15:36.32 | she_dyed | no just a user |
| 15:36.37 | Elive_user35_de | ok |
| 15:36.51 | she_dyed | you can post questions here |
| 15:36.54 | Elive_user35_de | i like it |
| 15:37.09 | Elive_user35_de | i am on the live cd |
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| 15:37.34 | Elive_user35_de | is it suporting laptop battery modes? |
| 15:37.59 | she_dyed | does it show the battery there? |
| 15:38.05 | Elive_user35_de | hibernate and sleep? |
| 15:38.09 | she_dyed | i thought it was on by default |
| 15:38.17 | Elive_user35_de | yes |
| 15:38.48 | she_dyed | i dont use those much except sleep on E17 but in a Suse laptop |
| 15:38.59 | she_dyed | works for me |
| 15:39.50 | Elive_user35_de | ok i have mandrive 2010 gnome on my laptop |
| 15:40.03 | Elive_user35_de | do you now that version? |
| 15:40.15 | Elive_user35_de | mandriva |
| 15:40.28 | she_dyed | hmmm my chat mates use it |
| 15:40.52 | she_dyed | you could get an e17 rpm for it |
| 15:41.01 | she_dyed | if you add the mib repos |
| 15:41.20 | she_dyed | italians have all the new stuff going on |
| 15:41.44 | Elive_user35_de | is e17 from italy? |
| 15:41.59 | she_dyed | check if the e17 has ecomorph otherwise it wont be the same |
| 15:42.20 | she_dyed | no those are the mandriva guys adding to the original from France |
| 15:42.44 | Elive_user35_de | ok understand it |
| 15:42.57 | Elive_user35_de | yes mandriva is from france |
| 15:43.16 | she_dyed | so if i got tired of gnome I set up a new user with e17 rpm and desktop |
| 15:44.14 | Elive_user35_de | yes the same by myself, somtimes tired of gnome |
| 15:44.33 | Elive_user35_de | but gnome is the best for me |
| 15:44.35 | she_dyed | i set up 2 users |
| 15:44.44 | she_dyed | one called jazzg with gnome desktop |
| 15:44.50 | she_dyed | and another jazze with e17 |
| 15:45.46 | she_dyed | but he can also run some gnome programs |
| 15:45.53 | she_dyed | gtg shower now |
| 15:45.57 | she_dyed | bbs |
| 15:46.42 | Elive_user35_de | but when will e17 final? |
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| 16:13.24 | *** topic/#elive is Elive 2.0 is on the way ! || Collaborate: http://www.elivecd.org/Help/Collaborate |
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| 17:01.15 | AlexAnteee | hi all |
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| 17:05.15 | Elive_user82_en | how can i change the color of my font in the terminal? |
| 17:05.30 | keyra | Elive_user82_en: configurations of terminal in elpanel, of course :) |
| 17:06.02 | Elive_user82_en | I may be a little slow. I didnt see for color in there? |
| 17:07.49 | she_dyed | middle icon |
| 17:08.13 | Elive_user82_en | Ill0gick@l1 |
| 17:08.24 | she_dyed | cant find it either |
| 17:08.47 | AlexAnteee | yo, disappearing always solves problems. |
| 17:09.22 | she_dyed | its not there anymore |
| 17:09.28 | she_dyed | the terminal thing |
| 17:09.51 | she_dyed | but from a command line you can enter urxvt -fg wheat |
| 17:09.59 | she_dyed | fg for foreground |
| 17:10.01 | she_dyed | whats up alex |
| 17:10.58 | AlexAnteee | too many people disappearing these days.... |
| 17:12.12 | she_dyed | man gtg b4 it rains |
| 17:12.30 | she_dyed | ah the sun came out! good! |
| 17:12.51 | she_dyed | cya later man |
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| 17:19.34 | Elive_user82_en | is there a way to check packages installed on debian? I am sorry i am learning Fedora in school and was wondering if there was something on debian to use like the RPM -qa?? |
| 17:19.49 | keyra | Elive_user82_en: Debian repos are included BY DEFAULT on Elive :), but don't modify the repositories of Elive, that's a ugly thing that broke systems |
| 17:20.45 | Elive_user82_en | Is there a way to check if a package is installed or not? |
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| 17:49.53 | Wizard | hi |
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| 17:50.30 | Wizard | hi wasynyt |
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| 17:51.55 | wasynyt_eee | good evening people |
| 17:52.42 | Wizard | hi wasynyt_eee |
| 17:52.43 | Wizard | :D |
| 17:52.47 | Wizard | nice to see you |
| 17:53.15 | wasynyt_eee | :D |
| 17:53.22 | wasynyt_eee | how are you doin Wizard |
| 17:54.04 | Wizard | great |
| 17:54.06 | Wizard | :) |
| 17:54.25 | Wizard | i returned to the past if it comes about gui |
| 17:54.32 | Wizard | hacked a bit, and built kde1 |
| 17:56.23 | Wizard | http://mati.7ds.pl/kde2.bmp |
| 17:56.24 | Wizard | :D |
| 17:58.19 | wasynyt_eee | well why would you want to do that? |
| 17:58.37 | wasynyt_eee | was it blazingly fast? |
| 17:58.49 | Wizard | yeah, it is |
| 17:58.55 | Wizard | but it wasn't the reason |
| 17:59.20 | Wizard | reason was it needs messing with outdated, non standard c++ code to be built |
| 17:59.34 | wasynyt_eee | that doesnt sound too nice |
| 17:59.42 | Wizard | bu i like c++ |
| 17:59.54 | Wizard | :/ |
| 18:01.22 | wasynyt_eee | well.. if you enjoy the challenge, i guess it must have been fun |
| 18:07.01 | Wizard | hmm.. and nostalgy |
| 18:07.12 | Wizard | kde1 was my first unix desktop |
| 18:07.19 | Wizard | few years ago |
| 18:07.54 | Wizard | running it now recalls my first steps on uncommon linux ground |
| 18:10.08 | wasynyt_eee | what were you running before trying linux |
| 18:11.32 | wasynyt_eee | is that machine some older powerpc mac laptop? |
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| 18:27.04 | Wizard | no, i had few computers |
| 18:27.13 | Wizard | starting from standard pc with win98 |
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| 18:29.47 | Wizard | and that win98 caused, that i installed linux |
| 18:30.00 | Wizard | i still have this cd :P |
| 18:30.02 | Wizard | corel linux :P |
| 18:30.10 | wasynyt_eee | heh |
| 18:30.32 | wasynyt_eee | linux must have been feeling different after win98 |
| 18:32.31 | Wizard | nope |
| 18:36.32 | wasynyt_eee | so it sucked as much |
| 18:41.26 | Wizard | win98 sucked, because it was highly unstable piece of crap |
| 18:41.47 | Wizard | and kde1 offered simmilar, very robust and intuitive gui for unix, so my transition was flawless |
| 18:42.08 | Wizard | and getting deeper and deeper i've learned many things ;) |
| 18:42.26 | wasynyt_eee | :D |
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| 18:59.24 | twiggz | wow |
| 18:59.33 | twiggz | second time today ive had to tell e17 to recover |
| 19:00.16 | Wizard | :) |
| 19:00.32 | Wizard | wasynyt: see? and my 9 year old kde1 works without any flaws ;) |
| 19:02.09 | Elive_user91_de | Wizard, that's why I love my win95 |
| 19:02.18 | Wizard | lol |
| 19:02.50 | Elive_user91_de | hey, that system was designed for some mhz-machines. Running it on over 2 Ghz makes it fly. |
| 19:04.16 | Wizard | hehe, but it does not support hlt instructions, since it's dos-crap |
| 19:04.37 | Elive_user91_de | it does not support what? |
| 19:04.51 | Wizard | so.. it allways utilizes your 2GHz with endless loop :/ |
| 19:04.59 | Wizard | hlt instruction |
| 19:05.05 | Elive_user91_de | dunno. |
| 19:05.09 | Wizard | read some assembler faq |
| 19:05.38 | Elive_user91_de | why should i? |
| 19:05.47 | Wizard | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HLT |
| 19:05.51 | Wizard | here |
| 19:08.53 | Elive_user91_de | im not a coder. so why should i care? |
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| 19:09.41 | wasynyt | Wizard, sorry for the lag.. my laptop decided to trick me |
| 19:10.25 | Wizard | eh.. |
| 19:10.31 | Wizard | Elive_user91_de: nvm |
| 19:10.46 | wasynyt | it just disconnected me from irc :/ |
| 19:11.28 | wasynyt | does win95 all the resources all the time, so that it really doesnt run any faster? |
| 19:12.14 | Wizard | i'm not sure how it is done, it's microsoft's sweet secret |
| 19:12.34 | twiggz | Wow |
| 19:12.49 | twiggz | second time in 5 minutes Ive had to tell e17 to recover |
| 19:12.55 | twiggz | this is getting pretty crap |
| 19:12.56 | Wizard | :) |
| 19:12.57 | twiggz | lol |
| 19:13.43 | Wizard | nah, sid's upgrade time |
| 19:14.05 | Elive_user91_de | hope twiggz isnt using any dev-versions. |
| 19:14.17 | twiggz | yeah |
| 19:14.19 | twiggz | .51 |
| 19:14.21 | twiggz | the latest |
| 19:14.35 | Elive_user91_de | dude, guess why it's called "dev-"!? |
| 19:14.51 | Wizard | Alex, is that you? |
| 19:14.55 | twiggz | because they are all dev? |
| 19:15.17 | twiggz | really, E17 itself is never going to be called "stable" its been "beta" for like 10 years |
| 19:15.18 | twiggz | give me a break |
| 19:16.40 | twiggz | brb |
| 19:16.44 | twiggz | I hope |
| 19:16.49 | Elive_user91_de | gives twiggz a break. |
| 19:17.15 | Elive_user91_de | wow... didnt expect it to work that fast. |
| 19:17.16 | Elive_user91_de | :) |
| 19:18.14 | Elive_user91_de | bbl... need a shower. |
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| 19:19.12 | mike | maybe that apt-get upgrade will fix things. |
| 19:19.20 | DammitJim | Android! |
| 19:19.24 | Wizard | what things? |
| 19:19.27 | keyra | mike: if you want to upgrade your elive system to a newest one without reinstall, this is not totally possible... because a lot of features are added in the 'process' (boot, configurations, detections, updates, install features, etc) and not just the packages, read the changelog of the releases so you can see the new features added and decide what you do |
| 19:19.59 | Guest20683 | Wizard, whatever the heck it was sigging E17 and making me tell it to recover every 5 minutes |
| 19:20.48 | Wizard | e17 is quite unstable :/ |
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| 19:39.14 | twiggz | bah |
| 19:39.23 | twiggz | you also cant click links in urxvt |
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| 20:13.28 | twiggz | up 55 minutes and havent had to recover E17 yet |
| 20:13.36 | twiggz | maybe the upgrade did some good. |
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| 21:17.52 | Wizard | boo! |
| 21:24.18 | twiggz | woo. |
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| 21:43.08 | DammitJim | Thanatermesis, how can we make the ibox show widescreen windows? |
| 21:43.55 | Thanatermesis | #e |
| 21:50.03 | AlexAnteMachina | oh, she_dyed is alive! |
| 21:50.05 | AlexAnteMachina | o/ |
| 21:50.17 | she_dyed | hey guys \o |
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| 21:50.28 | AlexAnteMachina | sup, she_dyed ? |
| 21:50.29 | she_dyed | just got back from the outside world |
| 21:50.36 | she_dyed | :) how are you |
| 21:50.47 | AlexAnteMachina | *shivers* |
| 21:50.52 | AlexAnteMachina | outside world |
| 21:50.53 | she_dyed | had a good lunch and coffee now |
| 21:50.55 | she_dyed | heh |
| 21:50.58 | DammitJim | Thanatermesis, how can I add more volumes to thunar? |
| 21:53.03 | she_dyed | AlexAnteMachina: enjoying the duals? |
| 21:53.08 | AlexAnteMachina | nope. |
| 21:53.39 | AlexAnteMachina | it sucks. |
| 21:53.54 | keyra | AlexAnteMachina: The first thing to do if anything sucks is to report it to http://bugs.elivecd.org ! Or do you think things might get fixed magically without anybody knowing?? |
| 21:54.14 | AlexAnteMachina | using nvidia-settings for setup and next bootup keyboard-config is lost again. |
| 21:54.25 | she_dyed | oh no |
| 21:54.32 | AlexAnteMachina | there is something wrong.... but dunno where/what |
| 21:54.32 | she_dyed | like its autodetecting again |
| 21:55.05 | AlexAnteMachina | more like it's auto-disposing |
| 21:55.14 | she_dyed | i had to spend a lot of time looking at /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 21:55.28 | she_dyed | and copying other people's xorg from online |
| 21:55.32 | she_dyed | xorg.conf |
| 21:55.50 | she_dyed | once its perfect, I make a backup |
| 21:56.13 | AlexAnteMachina | she_dyed, guess I'll put that in the "wanted features" section. |
| 21:56.16 | she_dyed | when a new liveCD comes, i restore the back up to see if it broke anything |
| 21:56.20 | she_dyed | yes |
| 21:56.32 | she_dyed | it gets too technical but then its duals |
| 21:56.39 | AlexAnteMachina | a cool setup-tool would be great. |
| 21:57.01 | AlexAnteMachina | this is like one tool messing up another's settings. |
| 21:57.16 | she_dyed | but you DID use nvidia's tool right? |
| 21:57.22 | she_dyed | that should have done it |
| 21:57.28 | she_dyed | i wonder why |
| 21:58.28 | AlexAnteMachina | yo, i used those. |
| 21:59.05 | she_dyed | yeah and then for nvidia |
| 21:59.13 | she_dyed | to forget the settings |
| 21:59.24 | she_dyed | doesnt make sense |
| 21:59.50 | AlexAnteMachina | no idea what causes it. |
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| 22:00.16 | AlexAnteMachina | will ask Thanatermesis about it. |
| 22:00.26 | AlexAnteMachina | but not tonight. |
| 22:00.30 | she_dyed | k |
| 22:00.49 | AlexAnteMachina | actually I'm about to write a noob how-to |
| 22:01.53 | Thanatermesis | <AlexAnteMachina> using nvidia-settings for setup and next bootup keyboard-config is lost again. |
| 22:01.56 | Thanatermesis | <AlexAnteMachina> there is something wrong.... but dunno where/what |
| 22:01.58 | Thanatermesis | fuck |
| 22:02.04 | Thanatermesis | nvidia-settings broke your xorg conf file |
| 22:02.07 | Thanatermesis | nothing more complicated than that |
| 22:02.17 | AlexAnteMachina | no, Thanatermesis I wont fuck you. I'm ABSOLUTELY straight! |
| 22:02.30 | AlexAnteMachina | :) |
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| 22:03.16 | Elive_user34_ru | hi all! |
| 22:05.23 | she_dyed | hi there |
| 22:05.25 | AlexAnteMachina | Well, Thanatermesis so I have a Wish for Christmas.... |
| 22:05.44 | AlexAnteMachina | A nice tool to setup xorg.conf. |
| 22:05.46 | AlexAnteMachina | :) |
| 22:06.13 | AlexAnteMachina | featuring multi-screen support, of course. |
| 22:06.28 | Thanatermesis | ok, wrote it and ill include it on Elive :) |
| 22:06.38 | AlexAnteMachina | u already wrote it? |
| 22:06.51 | AlexAnteMachina | wow. |
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| 22:08.34 | Thanatermesis | s/wrote/write/ |
| 22:08.43 | AlexAnteMachina | i know |
| 22:09.20 | AlexAnteMachina | was just taking him by word to tease him. |
| 22:10.57 | AlexAnteMachina | hey she_dyed I've heard US police uses Tasers quite often and with a lethal Result sometimes. |
| 22:11.14 | she_dyed | i dont know about lethal |
| 22:11.39 | she_dyed | but there was some noise when they used it on high schoolers i think |
| 22:11.44 | AlexAnteMachina | they'd better use teasers. |
| 22:11.45 | AlexAnteMachina | ;) |
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| 22:12.38 | Thanatermesis | AlexAnteMachina, is not easy to configure dual monitors in xorg |
| 22:12.51 | Thanatermesis | i mean, a tool to manage that |
| 22:13.05 | Thanatermesis | maybe debconf of xorg can do that, not sure, you need to check the code |
| 22:13.27 | she_dyed | yes even ati had it awkward, configure with one first then the other and then merge th xorg's |
| 22:14.04 | she_dyed | but nvidia did work for me and i was surprised how fewer lines were needed |
| 22:14.44 | AlexAnteMachina | Thanatermesis, I never thought it would be easy. |
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| 22:15.06 | AlexAnteMachina | she_dyed, there is some nice info and a proof it can cause death: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electroshock_weapon |
| 22:15.28 | she_dyed | oh no |
| 22:15.59 | she_dyed | there's plenty of howto's now, wikis |
| 22:16.22 | she_dyed | because 2+ monitors isnt really something Joe Sixpack would do |
| 22:17.15 | she_dyed | suse has split up their Ati and nvidia howto's for multi monitors |
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| 22:19.15 | Thanatermesis | AlexAnteMachina, maybe not possible |
| 22:20.02 | Thanatermesis | AlexAnteMachina, "why nvidia-settings do it ?" well, it wipe our your conf and put a new template one with the configuration, it is not a tool to "modify" your conf file, or to adapt it.. it just put a new one, that's not worth |
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| 22:25.53 | AlexAnteMachina | creating a new file / modifying the old one.... where is the difference?? To me it's no difference. The important point is: It has to WORK! |
| 22:32.16 | AlexAnteMachina | Thanatermesis, creating a new file / modifying the old one.... where is the difference?? To me it's no difference. The important point is: It has to WORK! |
| 22:33.32 | Thanatermesis | what's the difference ? your full xorg configuration wiped out |
| 22:33.32 | Thanatermesis | for example |
| 22:33.35 | Thanatermesis | english keyboard |
| 22:33.46 | Thanatermesis | synaptics configuration with different sensivities |
| 22:33.49 | Thanatermesis | mouse not working |
| 22:33.55 | Thanatermesis | and a big etc... |
| 22:36.00 | AlexAnteMachina | well, Thanatermesis the problem is, that it doesnt work! |
| 22:37.11 | Thanatermesis | AlexAnteMachina, im not going to put anything on Elive that will broke anything :) |
| 22:37.17 | Thanatermesis | that's not windows |
| 22:37.55 | AlexAnteMachina | well, Thanatermesis the problem is, that it doesnt work! |
| 22:38.15 | Thanatermesis | AlexAnteMachina, im not going to put anything on Elive that will broke any other thing :) |
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| 22:38.16 | Thanatermesis | that's not windows |
| 22:38.39 | AlexAnteMachina | i got a feeling there is some mistaking. |
| 22:39.13 | AlexAnteMachina | Thanatermesis, is there a way of making Screenshots of a booting system? |
| 22:40.23 | AlexAnteMachina | I've tried using VirtualBox. but when booting elive in livemode in a virtualbox non of the "choose the resolution" and "choose the gfx-driver" dialogues will pop up! |
| 22:40.50 | Thanatermesis | only with a photo camera |
| 22:40.57 | AlexAnteMachina | okay. |
| 22:41.01 | AlexAnteMachina | no problem |
| 22:41.28 | Thanatermesis | what you want to do with these screenshots of that ? |
| 22:41.38 | AlexAnteMachina | writing a how-to |
| 22:42.15 | Thanatermesis | ah ok |
| 22:42.36 | Thanatermesis | mmmh, try novirtualbox, nvidia, resolution cheatcodes for the boot |
| 22:42.43 | Thanatermesis | maybe novirtualbox doesn't exist... yet |
| 22:42.58 | AlexAnteMachina | http://sites.google.com/site/elivede/home |
| 22:43.10 | AlexAnteMachina | huh?? "novirtualbox"???? |
| 22:43.35 | Thanatermesis | maybe novirtualbox doesn't exist... yet |
| 22:43.47 | Thanatermesis | nope, doesnt exists :) |
| 22:44.04 | Thanatermesis | when virtualbox is detected, no resolutions question is showed |
| 22:44.15 | AlexAnteMachina | jep. |
| 22:44.50 | AlexAnteMachina | I'll use my digicam |
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