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| 00:51.07 | Gran_Ger | Hi Thanatermesis. have a question about your "tarzanic" document named "Elive_user_guide_en", I'm translating to spanish, but there is a word that I can't understand. |
| 00:51.23 | Thanatermesis | tell me |
| 00:51.43 | Gran_Ger | what is "strg -Z"? You meaned "ctrl Z"? |
| 00:51.45 | Thanatermesis | Gran_Ger, btw just edit the .odt file so that can be made a pdf easly |
| 00:51.55 | Thanatermesis | mmh |
| 00:52.14 | Gran_Ger | that's what I'm doing |
| 00:52.36 | Thanatermesis | i dont remember to have wrote that :) |
| 00:53.23 | kingdon | tarzanic? |
| 00:53.29 | kingdon | lol |
| 00:53.38 | Gran_Ger | hehehehe. I'll paste the sentence here. |
| 00:54.06 | Gran_Ger | You can take back erroneous actions by repeated keypresses on 'strg â Z'. |
| 00:54.21 | kingdon | i'll translate this into arabic maybe |
| 00:54.41 | kingdon | i have to do something noteworthy in the next 3 weeks |
| 00:54.44 | kingdon | before classes start |
| 00:54.47 | Thanatermesis | Gran_Ger, yes yes, im reading it on the pdf |
| 00:54.54 | Thanatermesis | Gran_Ger, i think that should be "Control + click" |
| 00:55.08 | Thanatermesis | well, thats what is needed to do in order to unselect items from a group |
| 00:55.25 | Thanatermesis | i think that the text (in english) needs to be improved too... not very intuitive |
| 00:55.41 | Thanatermesis | Gran_Ger, but you need to know that these PDF's will be changed to something else in the future :) |
| 00:55.57 | Thanatermesis | Gran_Ger, im not sure if im going to remove them or not, but change yes... when ? well, nobody knows lol |
| 00:56.08 | Gran_Ger | I'll do. After the translation into spanish. |
| 00:56.54 | kingdon | have you ever heard of AccessGrid? |
| 00:57.00 | kingdon | to Thanatermesis |
| 00:57.14 | Thanatermesis | http://forum.elivecd.org/read.php?15,3982 Gran_Ger, check the last post (mine), only the first block section |
| 00:57.19 | Thanatermesis | kingdon, nope |
| 00:57.32 | kingdon | oh boy :D |
| 00:58.24 | she_dyed | whats the vga= for 800x600? |
| 00:59.13 | Thanatermesis | kingdon, i dont understand much what is that exactly (wikipedia) |
| 00:59.15 | Thanatermesis | she_dyed, 788 |
| 00:59.23 | she_dyed | thanks! |
| 00:59.30 | Thanatermesis | 791 for 1024x768 |
| 00:59.34 | kingdon | i was reminded of it by your video you mentioned today |
| 00:59.42 | kingdon | it's desktop collaboration software |
| 00:59.49 | kingdon | makes a really neat presentation in person |
| 01:00.07 | kingdon | for you can watch what someone else is doing and look in on them with a webcam |
| 01:00.11 | kingdon | using the same suite of tools |
| 01:00.21 | kingdon | and travel from room to room like in IRC |
| 01:00.28 | kingdon | taking your node with you |
| 01:00.44 | Thanatermesis | hehe at least sounds fun :) |
| 01:00.59 | kingdon | i got roped into working on it for a grad lab one time :) |
| 01:01.02 | Thanatermesis | ok so, it is a kind of IRC with video and voice, right ? |
| 01:01.15 | kingdon | jabber protocol, plus something called the venue client protocol |
| 01:01.20 | kingdon | the experience is the same as IRC |
| 01:01.36 | she_dyed | hmmm the webcam could be a problem tho |
| 01:01.37 | kingdon | but the rooms are linked together like you find in an adventure game |
| 01:01.55 | kingdon | you don't have to use a webcam, you can also share your desktop by vnc |
| 01:02.12 | kingdon | also kind of invasive |
| 01:02.15 | Thanatermesis | sounds very good for a team work |
| 01:02.19 | kingdon | but it's collaboration |
| 01:02.40 | kingdon | there are plugins to help with narration over an Office-type document |
| 01:03.00 | kingdon | automatically run Powerpoint and make sure everyone's machine is on the same slide |
| 01:03.10 | kingdon | it's really for interactive presentations |
| 01:03.20 | kingdon | and development |
| 01:03.30 | she_dyed | so it s windows only? |
| 01:03.41 | kingdon | python |
| 01:03.43 | kingdon | mac/windows/linux |
| 01:03.56 | kingdon | the plugin does OpenOffice if you're on one of the other platforms |
| 01:04.03 | kingdon | or i guess probably on windows too you can use openoffice |
| 01:04.11 | Thanatermesis | yes you can :) |
| 01:04.23 | Thanatermesis | and with openoffice these things are possible, not with closedoffice lol |
| 01:04.45 | she_dyed | afk |
| 01:05.18 | kingdon | i was going to try writing some software and porting it to hurd |
| 01:05.19 | kingdon | :x |
| 01:05.22 | Thanatermesis | kingdon, i can imagine an entire "office" of development software working on this way |
| 01:05.40 | Thanatermesis | sometimes is needed to show an "image" or will be faster to "talk" about something |
| 01:05.46 | Thanatermesis | with this tool can be very handy |
| 01:05.58 | kingdon | if i was really savvy |
| 01:06.05 | kingdon | i would have introduced it to my manager at Thomson West |
| 01:06.30 | kingdon | i got screwed at that job, because i wasn't having a good time with people trying to work over my shoulder |
| 01:06.41 | kingdon | and those "break out" style meetings where you don't have a computer at all |
| 01:06.45 | kingdon | also not doing it for me |
| 01:07.10 | kingdon | even if your new team members don't accept the software |
| 01:07.17 | kingdon | they can join you by a regular jabber client |
| 01:08.07 | Thanatermesis | well, i think that is more a matter of money than savvy, it requires some implementation, so time, somebody that will install all this, very possible a bunch of misc hardware |
| 01:08.09 | kingdon | fwiw |
| 01:08.25 | kingdon | i was trained to do all that at the casci lab |
| 01:08.29 | kingdon | and i only had two collaboration partners |
| 01:08.32 | kingdon | and an upper manager |
| 01:08.46 | kingdon | plus we had full IT staff |
| 01:09.12 | kingdon | thats not exactly true |
| 01:09.31 | kingdon | i was on the testing team for a group developing a very elaborate webapp |
| 01:09.40 | kingdon | "black box" testing |
| 01:09.45 | kingdon | the development team was ten at least |
| 01:11.17 | kingdon | massive awful excel sheets and srs documents in word |
| 01:12.02 | kingdon | thinking all the time there must be a better way to do collaboration than Visual Source Safe |
| 01:12.05 | kingdon | :\ |
| 01:12.37 | Thanatermesis | hehe |
| 01:12.40 | Thanatermesis | well, the best tool is imagination |
| 01:13.04 | Thanatermesis | kingdon, have you ever tried plan9 ? |
| 01:15.40 | kingdon | yes, only briefly |
| 01:16.18 | kingdon | that's worth another download |
| 01:16.19 | kingdon | for sure |
| 01:16.25 | kingdon | if only for the name |
| 01:16.45 | kingdon | i wasted an hour of my life looking at HaikuOS the other day :D |
| 01:17.41 | Thanatermesis | hehe |
| 01:18.03 | Thanatermesis | there's a tgz about a kind of virtual environment that you can launch from your linux/macosx |
| 01:18.13 | Thanatermesis | so that it runs very fast and you dont need a virtual machine |
| 01:18.23 | Thanatermesis | it looks like just another application |
| 01:18.27 | kingdon | ooh |
| 01:18.31 | kingdon | i was about to put it in virtualbox |
| 01:18.34 | kingdon | there's also a livecd |
| 01:19.16 | Thanatermesis | there's a Qemu image http://www.oszoo.org/wiki/index.php/Category:Plan9_images |
| 01:19.32 | Thanatermesis | and there's the one that you can launch from your linux :) http://swtch.com/9vx/ |
| 01:21.42 | Thanatermesis | Abstract: |
| 01:21.43 | Thanatermesis | Plan 9 is based on three basic principles: all objects are either files or file systems, communication is over a network, and private namespaces allow their owners to access local and remote processes transparently. Resources are shared using standard, open protocols and consistent reusable interfaces. This type of distributed system is conducive to project collaboration without regard to place. The geographic location of the machines a |
| 01:21.43 | Thanatermesis | nd the communication network are invisible to its users. It is well suited to grid computing. |
| 01:22.28 | Thanatermesis | kingdon, that's a good reading from ESR about plan9: http://www.faqs.org/docs/artu/plan9.html |
| 01:22.38 | kingdon | factor has a similar methodology but not from the perspective of grid computing |
| 01:23.22 | kingdon | docs.factorcode.org is full of vocabularies, once you get past the front page |
| 01:23.40 | kingdon | and the vocabularies enable programmers to think about the components of the applications that have been written for the factor VM |
| 01:24.10 | kingdon | but in my experience, when you deploy the docs app yourself, it's totally empty... maybe it was intended that you should write your own list of vocabularies somehow? |
| 01:24.38 | kingdon | to help new users cut down on the incredible breadth of words they might need to learn |
| 01:25.32 | Thanatermesis | the problem of a collaborative environment is that we have a lot of tools and ways, but we dont have a base/environment made to work on that way... that's the good thing of plan9, since there's no difference between something local and something remote |
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| 01:28.17 | Thanatermesis | i think that i should do a package of that plan9 virtual environment for elive... do you imagine having a plan9 launcher directly on your applications menus ? :) |
| 01:30.36 | Deton8R | Is Plan 9 taking off? I hadn't heard a thing about it in a while. Thought it was as dead as BeOS. |
| 01:31.52 | Thanatermesis | hehe |
| 01:31.53 | kingdon | Thanatermesis: how about an AFS cell, do you have git or subversion for developers even? |
| 01:31.56 | kingdon | i've never seen it anywhere |
| 01:32.16 | Deton8R | And I had always thought QNX would take off... |
| 01:32.49 | Thanatermesis | Deton8R, the good thing of plan9 is hte ideas of how it is made and how it works... but it is not dead, there's an alive community over it, developers and users, enterprises uses plan9 too |
| 01:33.03 | kingdon | Deton8R: i loved the idea of qnx :D |
| 01:33.07 | Thanatermesis | kingdon, afs fileysstem? never tried it |
| 01:33.17 | Thanatermesis | kingdon, http://dev.elivecd.org |
| 01:33.28 | Deton8R | QNX had the small footprint thing down to an art form. |
| 01:34.04 | kingdon | Thanatermesis: it doesn't have native revision control, but it has replication features and I think only one fileserver per cell is declared as read/write |
| 01:34.42 | kingdon | authentication is done by kerberos |
| 01:34.53 | kingdon | so, if you needed kerberos for anything, like single-sign-on webapps |
| 01:35.41 | kingdon | http://dev.elivecd.org/wiki/HowtoDevelopWithEFL |
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| 01:35.45 | kingdon | what happened to that? :x |
| 01:35.46 | Thanatermesis | kingdon, i think that btrfs has a lot of interesting network features (and a lot of other ones too) |
| 01:36.14 | Thanatermesis | kingdon, where is the link TO that page ? |
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| 01:36.50 | Deton8R | D'ho! Gotta go. l8r |
| 01:39.39 | kingdon | hdfs, mogilefs, |
| 01:39.40 | kingdon | ... |
| 01:39.58 | kingdon | Thanatermesis: it's in the distributed Mozilla history for elive :D |
| 01:40.12 | Thanatermesis | kingdon, the page has changed to HowtoEFL or something like that |
| 01:40.13 | Thanatermesis | ah ok |
| 01:40.41 | kingdon | i'm looking for the older version |
| 01:40.44 | kingdon | that was written in perl |
| 01:40.48 | kingdon | precursor to mogilefs |
| 01:40.51 | kingdon | or maybe i've got the order wrong |
| 01:40.58 | kingdon | and it's actually the successor |
| 01:42.06 | kingdon | kosmosfs |
| 01:42.07 | kingdon | HEH |
| 01:42.31 | kingdon | there are an awful lot of these cloud storage systems |
| 01:46.46 | kingdon | "CDBS is the most easy tool in debian to create debian packages, you will need just 2-3 lines of code so that you will create your own debian packages " |
| 01:46.49 | kingdon | pimp |
| 01:49.59 | kingdon | haha, eclipse at 640x480 is really something |
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| 02:18.23 | Thanatermesis | kingdon, apt-get install plan9-vx32 in your Elive :) |
| 02:33.49 | kingdon | nice |
| 02:35.35 | kingdon | damn |
| 02:35.38 | kingdon | only supports ssh 1.x |
| 02:35.40 | kingdon | that's crazy |
| 02:37.16 | kingdon | the first thing i noticed is it complains because I'm not receiving mail :x |
| 02:39.53 | Thanatermesis | i have just package that 9vx system :) |
| 02:43.32 | kingdon | i just got rescuetime installed |
| 02:43.36 | kingdon | i don't know if this will be helpful |
| 02:43.41 | kingdon | but it only mails you weekly :x |
| 02:48.13 | kingdon | who can read arabic? |
| 02:49.04 | kingdon | اÙسÙاÙ
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| 02:49.14 | kingdon | eew urxvt |
| 02:50.00 | she_dyed | even in console, using Ti92pc font two came up square blocks |
| 02:52.52 | Thanatermesis | some chars works and some no (in console), i suppose that there's other packages needed to install |
| 02:53.12 | Thanatermesis | apt-cache search arabic font |
| 02:53.26 | Thanatermesis | very possible you need to set your system in arabic for a better work |
| 02:55.15 | kingdon | i don't have anyone wants to talk with me in arabic by IRC yet |
| 02:55.20 | kingdon | would probably just use xchat |
| 02:55.25 | kingdon | it works great in skype though |
| 02:55.32 | kingdon | once i got the keyboard switching settled |
| 02:56.08 | kingdon | damn |
| 02:56.23 | kingdon | rescuetime needs python-gnomekeyring |
| 02:56.27 | kingdon | which is only available in squeeze |
| 02:56.39 | kingdon | you got anyone running elive squeeze? |
| 02:57.43 | kingdon | i used to run unstable and reinstall my system basically weekly |
| 02:57.46 | kingdon | way before elive |
| 02:57.48 | kingdon | lol |
| 02:57.56 | kingdon | hyperbole |
| 02:58.55 | Thanatermesis | you can actually upgrade your Elive to squeeze, at least has worked the last time i did it :) |
| 02:58.58 | Thanatermesis | of course at your own risk |
| 02:59.33 | Thanatermesis | there's a configuration in Elive to ALWAYS use in preference, Elive packages (if they are in the Elive repo) than the same debian one, even if is older, that mades the system very stable with this kind of upgrade |
| 02:59.47 | keyra | Thanatermesis: Debian repos are included BY DEFAULT on Elive :), but don't modify the repositories of Elive, that's a ugly thing that broke systems |
| 03:00.37 | kingdon | my last try upgrading to sid did not go so well |
| 03:00.43 | kingdon | probably work better if I had gone squeeze first |
| 03:00.56 | Thanatermesis | only problem can happens with uncompatible packages, for example, the upgrade needs to install an essential package in a specific version, that happens if you want to upgrade to debian unstable, it simply can't |
| 03:01.11 | keyra | Thanatermesis: Debian repos are included BY DEFAULT on Elive :), but don't modify the repositories of Elive, that's a ugly thing that broke systems |
| 03:01.16 | Thanatermesis | or just use squeeze, is more stable |
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| 03:11.08 | kingdon | Thanatermesis: it actually removed my sysvinit and initscripts |
| 03:11.09 | kingdon | lol |
| 03:11.57 | Thanatermesis | yes, that was the problem in sid |
| 03:12.04 | Thanatermesis | incompatibility with these version packages |
| 03:12.14 | Thanatermesis | it is already moved to squeeze ? :) |
| 03:12.28 | Thanatermesis | kingdon, i recommend you to reinstall them before to reboot this computer (lol) |
| 03:13.06 | kingdon | no, i don't think i even got that far :D |
| 03:13.20 | kingdon | i have the data from that computer rsync'ed to one of my non-primary partitions |
| 03:13.27 | kingdon | i reinstalled, was an opportunity to get on 1.9.51 anyway |
| 03:13.43 | kingdon | i'm not doing the upgrade now |
| 03:13.48 | kingdon | this machine has users |
| 03:14.07 | kingdon | i'll go to the office tomorrow, after some sleep, and probably take the 500GB external drive |
| 03:14.19 | kingdon | i want to sell one of these machines :x |
| 03:14.44 | kingdon | but not this one, i need it for stealing the internet, and transmitting it through the rest of the house :) |
| 03:14.55 | kingdon | i mean... |
| 03:14.56 | kingdon | watching tv |
| 03:15.17 | kingdon | now i'm just compiling VLC |
| 03:16.41 | kingdon | and waiting on my peppers in farmville |
| 03:16.50 | Thanatermesis | mmh |
| 03:17.03 | kingdon | HEH |
| 03:17.10 | Thanatermesis | well, you can simply reinstall a new version of elive, even if you system is "broken" with an upgrade the installer will save your users and files etc |
| 03:17.24 | keyra | Thanatermesis: You can apt-get dist-upgrade and update SOME things of elive, but the only way to get all the new features is with a complete new iso |
| 03:17.36 | kingdon | i hope to periodically break my system |
| 03:17.42 | kingdon | otherwise this data never moves around |
| 03:17.55 | kingdon | that OpenAFS biz is a really big goal of mine |
| 03:18.07 | kingdon | i can't point at 2GB or 20GB of data and say "that is the business" |
| 03:18.42 | kingdon | i just have this toy laptop, and a bunch of computers with between 250GB and 1000GB of storage each |
| 03:19.36 | kingdon | and when this computer goes out, i usually just pray that I don't have to hit it with a hammer to get the drive out |
| 03:19.47 | kingdon | hope it boots back up again |
| 03:23.24 | kingdon | holy crap vlc has a lot of deps |
| 03:23.42 | kingdon | why don't you just install every library's header package |
| 03:36.13 | Thanatermesis | me ? |
| 03:36.32 | Thanatermesis | apt-get build-dep vlc |
| 03:42.08 | kingdon | hmm |
| 03:42.12 | kingdon | thanks |
| 03:42.47 | kingdon | so i'm complaining but I do actually want to read this list |
| 03:42.58 | kingdon | it's like reading the news |
| 03:43.07 | kingdon | HEH |
| 03:44.23 | kingdon | that's crazy |
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| 04:15.29 | Elive_user20_en | wassup ppl? |
| 04:16.34 | kingdon | howdy |
| 04:20.35 | Elive_user20_en | how r ya? |
| 04:27.13 | twiggz | pidgin just closed UNEXPECTEDLY |
| 04:27.18 | twiggz | owned |
| 04:29.40 | twiggz | I wonder if debian squeeze with E17 will be better. I may try from a minimal debian netinst tonight. |
| 04:30.28 | kingdon | i can't really see how it would be better |
| 04:30.34 | kingdon | i'm thinking i'll probably try it in a virtual machine |
| 04:31.40 | twiggz | It would be better because debian backports is pissing me off trying to install newer versions of applications |
| 04:31.44 | twiggz | lol |
| 04:31.46 | Elive_user20_en | wat r u guys talkin about? |
| 04:31.55 | keyra | twiggz: Debian repos are included BY DEFAULT on Elive :), but don't modify the repositories of Elive, that's a ugly thing that broke systems |
| 04:32.01 | twiggz | half of the backports are failing to install |
| 04:33.37 | Elive_user20_en | hey guys im new to elive and i was wonderin if some people could give me any tips on it... btw im only 14 so please try to be a little simple about it |
| 04:35.22 | kingdon | Elive_user20_en: 14! i was 14 when I started using linux :D |
| 04:35.54 | Elive_user20_en | :D well cool! so can i get sum tips? |
| 04:36.34 | kingdon | don't let your parents send you to college without a credit card :D |
| 04:36.51 | Elive_user20_en | haha lol i already have one ^^ |
| 04:37.00 | kingdon | whoa i was 16 when i got mine :x |
| 04:37.07 | kingdon | kids these days |
| 04:37.13 | Elive_user20_en | lol i have three |
| 04:37.22 | kingdon | did you press all the buttons? |
| 04:37.35 | Elive_user20_en | ? |
| 04:37.51 | kingdon | elive is pretty intuitive :) |
| 04:37.53 | LinuxNIT | dont quit, use the man command, experiment a lot, have fun :) |
| 04:38.25 | Elive_user20_en | how do i use the command??? all i know how to do on this thing is pretty much play games |
| 04:38.40 | Elive_user20_en | im lucky i figured out how to get the chat IRC to work |
| 04:38.49 | kingdon | try this: ctrl+alt+e |
| 04:39.04 | LinuxNIT | "man" is a command line program that you run from a terminal |
| 04:39.18 | LinuxNIT | kingdon, showed you one method of launching a terminal |
| 04:39.19 | keyra | LinuxNIT: configurations of terminal in elpanel, of course :) |
| 04:39.21 | kingdon | you can type "man _____" and you get information about _____ |
| 04:39.36 | Elive_user20_en | lol ok ill try |
| 04:39.36 | LinuxNIT | man is short for manual... it tells you how to use the programs |
| 04:39.58 | kingdon | alt+esc is another good one |
| 04:40.21 | Elive_user20_en | wat is that? |
| 04:40.26 | kingdon | press alt+esc and then start typing |
| 04:40.37 | Elive_user20_en | type wat? |
| 04:40.52 | kingdon | it will give you a list of words you can run (some won't do anything unless you're inside a terminal) |
| 04:40.57 | kingdon | just start typing anything |
| 04:41.01 | kingdon | try one letter at a time |
| 04:41.04 | kingdon | you get feedback |
| 04:41.06 | LinuxNIT | alt+esc is a quick launch for applicatiosn |
| 04:41.14 | LinuxNIT | type the program you want to launch in it |
| 04:41.14 | Elive_user20_en | oh wow kool |
| 04:41.31 | kingdon | you can learn about the commands by typing them into the man program |
| 04:41.55 | LinuxNIT | man man |
| 04:41.57 | LinuxNIT | :) |
| 04:42.22 | Elive_user20_en | whoa... headache |
| 04:42.26 | kingdon | yeah |
| 04:42.31 | Elive_user20_en | too much stuff popped up |
| 04:42.36 | kingdon | man is full of explanation |
| 04:42.51 | kingdon | if you just experiment you'll figure out how stuff works much quicker |
| 04:42.55 | LinuxNIT | man can be an overload... but it can be very helpfull too |
| 04:43.06 | kingdon | there are lots of details in man that you wouldn't know if you didn't read |
| 04:43.11 | LinuxNIT | be sure to use google and irc a lot |
| 04:43.22 | Elive_user20_en | lol i will |
| 04:43.57 | kingdon | do you know any programming languages? |
| 04:44.19 | Elive_user20_en | like... binary??? |
| 04:44.27 | LinuxNIT | :) |
| 04:44.38 | LinuxNIT | like C C+ perl python.... |
| 04:44.43 | kingdon | i got my first C++ book around that age |
| 04:44.49 | kingdon | kids are all learning python at my school now |
| 04:45.06 | kingdon | i'm stuck with lousy AspectJ next quarter |
| 04:45.15 | Elive_user20_en | i've had a C++ book since i was 10 |
| 04:45.27 | Elive_user20_en | but i never really got into it |
| 04:46.13 | kingdon | it's slow if you don't know what you're working on |
| 04:46.34 | kingdon | to learn about boring data types and functions and libraries you might never use |
| 04:47.21 | Elive_user20_en | wow... when u said programming languages what exactly did u mean/. |
| 04:47.22 | Elive_user20_en | ? |
| 04:48.41 | kingdon | how all of this stuff you're looking at is built |
| 04:49.13 | Elive_user20_en | well i know that... i think everyone my age knows that |
| 04:49.17 | kingdon | if you want to be impressed, try compiling something :D |
| 04:49.42 | kingdon | that's a horrible suggestion |
| 04:49.50 | Elive_user20_en | huh? |
| 04:49.53 | kingdon | i feel like i ought to suggest something good to compile |
| 04:50.00 | Elive_user20_en | like what? |
| 04:50.07 | kingdon | i'm compiling VLC right now |
| 04:50.27 | Elive_user20_en | Video Lan... |
| 04:50.33 | kingdon | video lan client |
| 04:50.43 | kingdon | mplayer is another good one |
| 04:50.44 | Elive_user20_en | i use VLC media player |
| 04:51.07 | kingdon | it's really outrageous how many different pieces of software contribute to that simply playing a video |
| 04:52.02 | LinuxNIT | kingdon, do you program? |
| 04:52.07 | Elive_user20_en | yea... the software today is amazing |
| 04:53.23 | kingdon | LinuxNIT: i'm a computer science major |
| 04:53.28 | kingdon | i ought to :x |
| 04:53.34 | LinuxNIT | :) |
| 04:54.01 | LinuxNIT | still just learning or do you have any applications yet?.... just curiosity |
| 04:54.23 | kingdon | i wrote a plugin for xawtv about 8 years ago |
| 04:54.31 | LinuxNIT | :) |
| 04:54.38 | kingdon | had several jobs involving web programming up to now |
| 04:54.47 | kingdon | PHP, VBScript |
| 04:54.48 | LinuxNIT | cool |
| 04:54.50 | Elive_user20_en | holy crap how old r u? |
| 04:54.54 | kingdon | 24 |
| 04:54.59 | LinuxNIT | hes ooolllldddd |
| 04:55.02 | Elive_user20_en | 8 years???? |
| 04:55.05 | LinuxNIT | ;) |
| 04:55.08 | Elive_user20_en | u were 16??? |
| 04:55.37 | kingdon | i was 17 when I moved to the country and started writing web application software for the bank :) |
| 04:55.47 | Elive_user20_en | whiskey tango foxtrot!?!?!? |
| 04:56.14 | kingdon | mom and dad won't (wouldn't) pay my credit cards! :) |
| 04:56.26 | kingdon | and I wouldn't get up from in front of that blasted machine |
| 04:56.37 | Elive_user20_en | i pay my own ^^ |
| 04:57.01 | kingdon | keep it up, lol |
| 04:57.07 | Elive_user20_en | lol yea |
| 04:57.56 | Elive_user20_en | how do u write a program? |
| 04:58.03 | kingdon | sweet, AspectJ in Action (Second Edition) |
| 04:58.19 | kingdon | want to learn some? |
| 04:58.22 | Elive_user20_en | yes |
| 04:58.26 | kingdon | don't start with java :x |
| 04:58.27 | kingdon | lol |
| 04:58.32 | LinuxNIT | lol |
| 04:58.36 | twiggz | with a pc, a keyboard, and a proper text editor. |
| 04:58.40 | Elive_user20_en | lol ok what should i start with? |
| 04:58.45 | twiggz | after you learn some sort of programming language. |
| 04:58.49 | LinuxNIT | i heard a quote about java that i have never forgotten... |
| 04:59.06 | Elive_user20_en | like what kind of language????? |
| 04:59.16 | kingdon | http://www.ferite.org/ |
| 04:59.24 | LinuxNIT | realizes he should not repeat it |
| 04:59.26 | twiggz | perl |
| 04:59.27 | LinuxNIT | :-. |
| 04:59.31 | Thanatermesis | C :) |
| 04:59.42 | LinuxNIT | python |
| 04:59.44 | Thanatermesis | Elive_user20_en, you can start from here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abNsVyYTSkU |
| 04:59.52 | LinuxNIT | or C |
| 04:59.56 | Elive_user20_en | ok |
| 05:00.05 | Thanatermesis | well, maybe python will be better than C for start, not sure |
| 05:00.27 | Thanatermesis | Elive_user20_en, that video is just a good intructory motivational thing for start :) |
| 05:00.31 | LinuxNIT | i think it has a faster learning curve... but both have advantages |
| 05:00.36 | kingdon | it's very good |
| 05:00.48 | kingdon | if you start with ferite |
| 05:00.48 | LinuxNIT | enjoys it |
| 05:01.00 | Elive_user20_en | ok |
| 05:01.01 | kingdon | you're going to probably have a hard time |
| 05:01.05 | kingdon | because you don't know C |
| 05:01.54 | Thanatermesis | LinuxNIT, the disavantage of C is that is too much complicated and hard to understand, by a first time |
| 05:02.35 | LinuxNIT | yeah i looked at it and was discouraged.... python went quite well... |
| 05:02.42 | kingdon | the big advantage of learning ferite before C would be, you don't have to deal with pointers |
| 05:02.44 | LinuxNIT | i should go back and learn C or C++ though |
| 05:02.56 | kingdon | just only write scripts |
| 05:03.00 | kingdon | don't worry about writing modules |
| 05:03.44 | LinuxNIT | Elive_user20_en, the most important thing is to have fun doing whatever it is |
| 05:03.57 | LinuxNIT | programming or just using the systems et |
| 05:03.58 | LinuxNIT | c |
| 05:04.25 | kingdon | the least exciting thing you can do with that machine in front of you is make a televison out of it |
| 05:04.38 | kingdon | and even that, you can have a lot of fun with it |
| 05:04.46 | Thanatermesis | kingdon, but pointers are good! :) |
| 05:05.09 | Thanatermesis | agree with LinuxNIT |
| 05:05.14 | kingdon | yeah you need pointers and references |
| 05:05.32 | Elive_user20_en | OMG!!! i cant understand that video thanatermises... too fast! |
| 05:05.46 | kingdon | fast and full of code |
| 05:05.49 | LinuxNIT | yeah that video does go pretty fast |
| 05:05.56 | kingdon | i was able to follow it because i've seen most of those things before |
| 05:06.03 | kingdon | i think we need a walkthrough :x |
| 05:06.16 | LinuxNIT | gives the project to kingdon |
| 05:06.28 | Elive_user20_en | im going to ferite |
| 05:07.31 | Thanatermesis | Elive_user20_en, yes it is fast but full of popups explaining things... so you maybe need to play it multiple times :) or just press space everytime that appears a popup in order to read it and follow correctly the video |
| 05:08.00 | Thanatermesis | this video is 10 minutes long, the max. allowed by youtube... it can't be more slow lol |
| 05:08.18 | kingdon | are you serious? 10 minutes is the limit? |
| 05:08.22 | Elive_user20_en | omg... i think i need something more simple... |
| 05:08.39 | Thanatermesis | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_programming_languages |
| 05:08.42 | Thanatermesis | lol |
| 05:08.46 | Elive_user20_en | what exactly is C++ |
| 05:08.49 | Thanatermesis | Elive_user20_en, you have a good choice! ^ |
| 05:08.54 | Thanatermesis | list of choices* |
| 05:09.04 | Thanatermesis | kingdon, yes, at least the last time that i have read about that |
| 05:09.21 | Thanatermesis | Elive_user20_en, c++ is the failed try to make better C :) |
| 05:09.41 | Thanatermesis | Elive_user20_en, are you using linux right ? (i suppose that you are using elive), i think that the best for you is to learn "bash" |
| 05:10.01 | Elive_user20_en | what is bash and yes im using elive |
| 05:10.02 | Thanatermesis | one time you are a bit familiarized with bash, you can look to more powerful languages |
| 05:10.23 | Thanatermesis | by other side, bash will be EXTREMELY useful for you in your Elive :) |
| 05:10.37 | Thanatermesis | and is very easy to use |
| 05:11.40 | Thanatermesis | bash is a programming language (so you can write scripts), and also a interactive tool where you type commands and you get the results... if you open a terminal (first icon of your dock), that is bash, and its ready to use !, type "ls" and press enter to see :) |
| 05:11.55 | keyra | Thanatermesis: configurations of terminal in elpanel, of course :) |
| 05:12.33 | LinuxNIT | Elive_user20_en, do you understand the idea of a script? |
| 05:12.44 | LinuxNIT | when it comes to programming? |
| 05:12.50 | Thanatermesis | LinuxNIT, if you found somebody that says that knows ALL the programming languages you can say him loudly that he's a lier! :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_programming_languages |
| 05:12.59 | kingdon | yes i definitely agree you should learn bash |
| 05:13.09 | Elive_user20_en | ok so how does it work? |
| 05:13.12 | Elive_user20_en | sort of |
| 05:13.14 | Elive_user20_en | i think so |
| 05:13.26 | kingdon | a script is just lines of program code |
| 05:13.33 | kingdon | they get run one at a time |
| 05:13.46 | Elive_user20_en | but its writen in code |
| 05:13.46 | kingdon | so if you ran the lines one at a time in the terminal, it would have the same effect |
| 05:13.48 | LinuxNIT | a text file of commands basically |
| 05:13.49 | Elive_user20_en | like binary right? |
| 05:13.51 | kingdon | but you'd have to type them in one at a time |
| 05:14.14 | kingdon | plain text |
| 05:14.42 | kingdon | don't worry about binary until you get to c, or a language that requires compiling |
| 05:15.42 | Thanatermesis | Elive_user20_en, script languages (like bash) or interpreted ones are not binary files, only other languages like C converts your code (that is very similar to a script) to a binary file in order to make it working |
| 05:16.09 | Thanatermesis | Elive_user20_en, imagine a text file, where you put your orders "make me a sandwitch, clean my car, etc", that's a script :) |
| 05:19.17 | Elive_user20_en | ? |
| 05:20.07 | Elive_user20_en | guys? |
| 05:20.08 | kingdon | one day soon, we will have robots that can make you a sandwich! |
| 05:20.20 | LinuxNIT | http://pastie.org/689750 |
| 05:20.23 | kingdon | for now, you make your own sandwiches |
| 05:20.24 | LinuxNIT | Elive_user20_en, look at that |
| 05:20.30 | LinuxNIT | that is a bash script |
| 05:20.44 | LinuxNIT | it doesnet do anything other than print output from the 3 commands |
| 05:20.52 | LinuxNIT | or not |
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| 05:21.14 | LinuxNIT | wb Elive_user20_en |
| 05:21.14 | Elive_user20_en | hey guys |
| 05:21.23 | Elive_user20_en | thx |
| 05:21.44 | LinuxNIT | <LinuxNIT> http://pastie.org/689750 <kingdon> for now, you make your own sandwiches |
| 05:21.44 | LinuxNIT | <LinuxNIT> Elive_user20_en, look at that |
| 05:21.44 | LinuxNIT | <LinuxNIT> that is a bash script |
| 05:21.44 | LinuxNIT | <LinuxNIT> it doesnet do anything other than print output from the 3 commands |
| 05:21.51 | Elive_user20_en | sorry i lost connection |
| 05:22.07 | Elive_user20_en | ok |
| 05:22.44 | LinuxNIT | they are commands you can type into a terminal; or you can put them all in a file and run them in sequence |
| 05:22.58 | Elive_user20_en | ok i will hold on |
| 05:22.59 | keyra | LinuxNIT: configurations of terminal in elpanel, of course :) |
| 05:23.20 | Elive_user20_en | lol keyra u like pointing that out dont u |
| 05:23.33 | LinuxNIT | keyra, shut up |
| 05:23.39 | Thanatermesis | there's a lot of "introductory commands for bash" things in google, the other day i have found a very interesting one for somebody but it was on spanish |
| 05:23.41 | LinuxNIT | keyra, is a bot |
| 05:23.48 | keyra | LinuxNIT: :-# |
| 05:24.02 | keyra | LinuxNIT: you think so? |
| 05:24.25 | Elive_user20_en | lol |
| 05:24.40 | LinuxNIT | keyra, no i know so |
| 05:25.42 | Elive_user20_en | lol calm downlinuxNIT |
| 05:25.53 | LinuxNIT | :) |
| 05:28.03 | Elive_user20_en | omg... that pastie thing is alot of stuff |
| 05:28.06 | Elive_user20_en | :/ |
| 05:28.20 | LinuxNIT | its 3 commands |
| 05:28.27 | LinuxNIT | they just print out a lot of info |
| 05:28.32 | LinuxNIT | dont worry about what is printed |
| 05:28.39 | Elive_user20_en | lol ok |
| 05:28.50 | LinuxNIT | you can run those commands one at a time if you want to from a terminal |
| 05:28.58 | Elive_user20_en | i did lol |
| 05:29.02 | LinuxNIT | the point was just to show you the basics of how a script works |
| 05:29.16 | Elive_user20_en | ok lol what language was that? |
| 05:29.28 | LinuxNIT | bash |
| 05:29.45 | Elive_user20_en | really? |
| 05:29.57 | LinuxNIT | now there is a lot more you can do with it... thats just the idea of how a script works |
| 05:30.10 | LinuxNIT | a sequence of commands executed one after another |
| 05:31.12 | Elive_user20_en | wat about lspci #show host files |
| 05:31.22 | Elive_user20_en | will that do anything? |
| 05:31.36 | LinuxNIT | lspci shows information about pci devices |
| 05:31.47 | LinuxNIT | anything after a # will be ignored |
| 05:31.50 | Elive_user20_en | ohhh |
| 05:32.01 | Elive_user20_en | so i can just type in lspci |
| 05:32.02 | LinuxNIT | ls will show the files in the current working directory |
| 05:32.05 | LinuxNIT | yes |
| 05:32.19 | LinuxNIT | the commands i listed will not alter anything on your system |
| 05:32.23 | LinuxNIT | only list information |
| 05:32.30 | Elive_user20_en | ok wat about just pci |
| 05:32.42 | LinuxNIT | not a command |
| 05:32.46 | LinuxNIT | try it |
| 05:33.10 | Elive_user20_en | oh... y isnt it a command? |
| 05:33.46 | LinuxNIT | cause nobody made a program with that name... or it is not installed if they did |
| 05:34.08 | Elive_user20_en | ok what are some more commands? |
| 05:34.32 | LinuxNIT | hit the tab button twice in the terminal |
| 05:34.41 | LinuxNIT | then hit "y" |
| 05:34.47 | keyra | LinuxNIT: configurations of terminal in elpanel, of course :) |
| 05:34.52 | LinuxNIT | hit enter to scroll through them |
| 05:34.54 | LinuxNIT | ;) |
| 05:35.06 | Elive_user20_en | keyra shut up |
| 05:35.18 | kingdon | space gos one page at a time |
| 05:35.20 | keyra | Elive_user20_en: :-# |
| 05:35.26 | Elive_user20_en | lol |
| 05:35.27 | LinuxNIT | or that |
| 05:35.33 | LinuxNIT | is that enough commands for you? |
| 05:35.44 | kingdon | that's a lot of commands |
| 05:35.52 | Elive_user20_en | well... maybe lol is that all bash? |
| 05:35.55 | LinuxNIT | 3236 on my system |
| 05:36.17 | kingdon | i've only got 2071 |
| 05:36.24 | LinuxNIT | Elive_user20_en, kind of, any command available from the command line can be used in a bash script |
| 05:36.41 | LinuxNIT | but you dont have to know every one of those programs |
| 05:37.13 | Elive_user20_en | oh ok so they arent individual bash scripts? |
| 05:37.19 | kingdon | the bash language itself is not very big |
| 05:37.19 | LinuxNIT | no |
| 05:37.27 | LinuxNIT | many of them are binary programs |
| 05:37.28 | kingdon | some of them are |
| 05:37.49 | Elive_user20_en | omg... again with the binary |
| 05:38.01 | kingdon | if you find the file in a text editor and open it to read, you will see it's either a binary file, or some of them are scripts |
| 05:38.09 | kingdon | either bash or python or or or |
| 05:38.15 | kingdon | could be anything |
| 05:38.34 | LinuxNIT | file /path/to/file <<< easier way to know if its bash,binary or python etc |
| 05:38.34 | Elive_user20_en | hey when i see the READ ME file in a program is that bash? |
| 05:38.36 | kingdon | here's a feature of bash you should probably know about |
| 05:38.51 | kingdon | #!/bin/bash |
| 05:38.58 | kingdon | remember comments? |
| 05:39.02 | Elive_user20_en | yea i know that one |
| 05:39.09 | kingdon | if you see a commentok :) |
| 05:39.14 | kingdon | d'oh |
| 05:39.34 | Elive_user20_en | whoa wait.... |
| 05:39.39 | Elive_user20_en | wats that? |
| 05:39.49 | kingdon | if you see a comment like that at the top of the file |
| 05:40.04 | Elive_user20_en | ok |
| 05:40.09 | kingdon | it is a hint to bash, |
| 05:40.14 | Elive_user20_en | oh lol |
| 05:40.17 | kingdon | "use this proram to interpret the file" |
| 05:40.24 | kingdon | *program |
| 05:40.47 | kingdon | so, that comment doesn't do anything, except reminding bash that it itself is supposed to interpret the file |
| 05:41.03 | kingdon | but if you saw #!/usr/bin/python |
| 05:41.22 | kingdon | that's a hint to you, you are no longer reading something written in bash |
| 05:41.29 | Elive_user20_en | oh ok |
| 05:41.42 | kingdon | only at the top of files |
| 05:41.56 | Elive_user20_en | the only way to get out of this script thing is to write bash right? |
| 05:42.02 | LinuxNIT | q |
| 05:42.17 | Elive_user20_en | q? |
| 05:42.37 | LinuxNIT | i was thinking you were asking how to get out of that list of programs i got you into |
| 05:42.58 | kingdon | typing "bash" will just start another bash |
| 05:43.01 | Elive_user20_en | yea... i wrote BIN into it and it quit |
| 05:43.04 | kingdon | underneath the current bash |
| 05:43.37 | kingdon | you can try 'logout' 'exit' Ctrl-D |
| 05:43.56 | kingdon | sometimes 'quit' works |
| 05:44.08 | Elive_user20_en | lol |
| 05:44.44 | LinuxNIT | if you are interested in bash... i recommend finding a tutorial/howto online and working through that |
| 05:45.16 | kingdon | [yebyen ~/vlc-1.1.0-git]$ ./bin/vlc |
| 05:45.16 | kingdon | VLC media player 1.1.0-git Yellow Bastard |
| 05:45.16 | kingdon | LibVLC has detected an unusable buggy GNU/libc version. |
| 05:45.16 | kingdon | Please update to version 2.8 or newer. |
| 05:45.24 | Elive_user20_en | omg... i typed in one of the comands and it brought up a program |
| 05:45.37 | LinuxNIT | lol |
| 05:45.46 | kingdon | where in the world do they come up wtith this stuff |
| 05:46.26 | kingdon | so, I guess you can't actually compile VLC for yourself without upgrading to Testing (squeeze) |
| 05:46.47 | LinuxNIT | can you backbort libc? |
| 05:46.51 | LinuxNIT | backport |
| 05:46.56 | LinuxNIT | doubts it |
| 05:50.56 | LinuxNIT | Elive_user20_en, one thing though... it would be cool if you personalized your nick so we can recognize you better around here |
| 05:51.14 | Elive_user20_en | how? |
| 05:51.22 | LinuxNIT | type in xchat: |
| 05:51.29 | LinuxNIT | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:51.42 | LinuxNIT | or click on your nick to the left |
| 05:51.56 | Elive_user20_en | ok hold on |
| 05:52.13 | LinuxNIT | you can edit it permenantly in the xchat menu > network list |
| 05:52.18 | kingdon | LinuxNIT: none of these things i'v edone today are things I would expect to work on a stable system anyway |
| 05:52.41 | LinuxNIT | assuming you are on an installed system not live |
| 05:52.53 | Elive_user20_en | uhhhh |
| 05:52.57 | Elive_user20_en | idk wat u mean |
| 05:53.06 | LinuxNIT | which part? |
| 05:53.18 | kingdon | how many icons have you got in the bar on the middle bottom of the screen |
| 05:53.19 | Elive_user20_en | installed or live... |
| 05:53.27 | kingdon | if there's a cd with an arrow pointing into it |
| 05:53.38 | LinuxNIT | are you running elive from the cd or did you isntall it to the hard drive? |
| 05:53.55 | Elive_user20_en | im running it from my hard drive |
| 05:54.16 | LinuxNIT | k |
| 05:54.18 | kingdon | lol half the time when i'm explaining elive to someone |
| 05:54.24 | kingdon | i add the warning "don't accidentally install it!" |
| 05:54.29 | LinuxNIT | lol |
| 05:54.45 | LinuxNIT | that would be a lot of accidental clicks |
| 05:54.51 | kingdon | if you're going to install it, make sure and do it on purpose ;) |
| 05:54.53 | kingdon | i know |
| 05:55.30 | LinuxNIT | well im off to bed |
| 05:55.35 | Elive_user20_en | nite |
| 05:55.43 | LinuxNIT | gnnight all |
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| 05:56.37 | eliveNOVICE | hey guys |
| 05:56.39 | eliveNOVICE | its me |
| 05:57.32 | eliveNOVICE | hey kingdon |
| 05:57.40 | kingdon | wb |
| 05:57.48 | eliveNOVICE | thx |
| 06:00.07 | kingdon | i think i'm going to have a bowl of oatmeal |
| 06:00.14 | eliveNOVICE | cool |
| 06:00.18 | eliveNOVICE | cereal for me |
| 06:03.51 | kingdon | if i can read this book in 3 weeks it will probably be reallly good for me |
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| 07:25.24 | Elive_user49_es | a Litle question... Do I need to add repositories test Elive? |
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| 08:57.15 | AlexAnteMachina | hi |
| 08:59.20 | Mtraker | hi AlexAnteMachina |
| 08:59.35 | AlexAnteMachina | hello morgan12 |
| 08:59.36 | AlexAnteMachina | ups... |
| 08:59.42 | AlexAnteMachina | hello Mtraker |
| 09:00.35 | AlexAnteMachina | auto-complete is sometimes little too fast. |
| 09:02.12 | Mtraker | :-) |
| 09:06.13 | AlexAnteMachina | I was just browsing some sites in the elive-forum. |
| 09:07.28 | AlexAnteMachina | Everytime when it comes to a talk about one of the mayor desktops (gnome/kde) I get the feeling those are loosing it. |
| 09:08.03 | AlexAnteMachina | It's mostly done to make it look somehow. But not to WORK right. |
| 09:09.23 | AlexAnteMachina | As far as I remember one of the main ideas bhind Linux was to build an alternative os. |
| 09:10.39 | AlexAnteMachina | Including software that get the job done right. |
| 09:11.38 | AlexAnteMachina | but not looking nice, having a confusing GUI and crashing every now and then. |
| 09:11.59 | AlexAnteMachina | That, I thought, was MS Resort. |
| 09:15.25 | Mtraker | checking for FONTCONFIG... no (but i have install FONTCONFIG) |
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| 09:23.07 | PrinceAMD | good morning everyone |
| 09:23.13 | AlexAnteMachina | hi PrinceAMD |
| 09:23.15 | AlexAnteMachina | hi! |
| 09:23.17 | AlexAnteMachina | o/ |
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| 09:23.59 | PrinceAMD | how u doin AlexAnteMachina |
| 09:24.05 | AlexAnteMachina | PrinceAMD, could you please send me a box full of your weather? |
| 09:24.32 | PrinceAMD | AlexAnteMachina, haha, u want some sun ? |
| 09:24.41 | AlexAnteMachina | and Warmth, yes. |
| 09:25.03 | AlexAnteMachina | its cold and rainy here. |
| 09:28.10 | AlexAnteMachina | PrinceAMD, you know some sort of pastebin for pix? |
| 09:28.57 | PrinceAMD | yeah |
| 09:29.05 | PrinceAMD | there is imagebin.com |
| 09:29.07 | AlexAnteMachina | url pleas? |
| 09:29.08 | AlexAnteMachina | ah. |
| 09:29.14 | PrinceAMD | but they only store pics for like 2 weeks |
| 09:29.34 | PrinceAMD | http://tinypic.com/ |
| 09:30.15 | PrinceAMD | http://imageshack.us/ |
| 09:33.11 | AlexAnteMachina | PrinceAMD, here is how the weather is at my place today: |
| 09:33.13 | AlexAnteMachina | http://imagebin.ca/view/hbIYch.html |
| 09:34.46 | AlexAnteMachina | and here we got a 2nd one: http://imagebin.ca/view/w56bHx80.html |
| 09:35.07 | AlexAnteMachina | I should have tilted it 90° to the right. |
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| 09:36.03 | AlexAnteMachina | It's just 5°C and raining. |
| 09:36.07 | AlexAnteMachina | :( |
| 09:36.07 | Elive_user57 | coñoooo |
| 09:36.17 | PrinceAMD | AlexAnteMachina, wow COLD!!! |
| 09:36.24 | AlexAnteMachina | and WET! |
| 09:36.37 | PrinceAMD | AlexAnteMachina, if it was me i'd be out there naked playing in the rain |
| 09:36.43 | AlexAnteMachina | lol |
| 09:36.49 | PrinceAMD | the rain should have been more tick |
| 09:36.58 | AlexAnteMachina | im sure you would not. |
| 09:37.06 | AlexAnteMachina | its simply too cold. |
| 09:37.33 | PrinceAMD | AlexAnteMachina, what is the building? |
| 09:37.45 | AlexAnteMachina | the buildings? |
| 09:37.53 | AlexAnteMachina | Just Houses. |
| 09:38.04 | PrinceAMD | pretty huge house |
| 09:38.19 | AlexAnteMachina | that's not just for one family. |
| 09:38.29 | AlexAnteMachina | :) |
| 09:38.42 | PrinceAMD | a entire mafia? |
| 09:39.10 | AlexAnteMachina | it's more about to rent appartements. |
| 09:39.47 | PrinceAMD | ok |
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| 09:41.36 | AlexAnteMachina | this grey weather makes me sick. |
| 09:42.08 | PrinceAMD | AlexAnteMachina, weather like this, u need to have a gf next to u :D |
| 09:42.17 | AlexAnteMachina | Sometimes I'm thinking about getting rid of all my stuff and move to somewhere else. |
| 09:42.51 | AlexAnteMachina | But without money it might get hard moving very far. |
| 09:43.15 | PrinceAMD | u hate it that much, well dude , the heat is not that nice either, maybe if u can find somewhere with a temp of 24-18c would be good to live |
| 09:47.23 | AlexAnteMachina | lol... that's the average temperature inside my appartement. |
| 09:47.24 | AlexAnteMachina | ;) |
| 09:48.19 | PrinceAMD | well that temp would be good for outside, AlexAnteMachina how often does it be 5c? |
| 09:49.12 | AlexAnteMachina | hmm,.. i dont count that. |
| 09:49.27 | AlexAnteMachina | its normal during spring/fall |
| 09:49.51 | PrinceAMD | what about summer??? no summer????????????? |
| 09:49.58 | AlexAnteMachina | lol... |
| 09:50.13 | AlexAnteMachina | there is summer. |
| 09:50.21 | PrinceAMD | good good |
| 09:50.25 | AlexAnteMachina | we've had a nice summer this year. |
| 09:50.36 | PrinceAMD | :) |
| 09:50.49 | AlexAnteMachina | very long and very hot. |
| 09:51.03 | AlexAnteMachina | up to 30°C. |
| 09:51.14 | PrinceAMD | ah that's like normal here |
| 09:51.18 | AlexAnteMachina | i thought so. |
| 09:51.33 | PrinceAMD | AlexAnteMachina, i get summer all year :) |
| 09:51.41 | AlexAnteMachina | lol |
| 09:51.48 | AlexAnteMachina | nice. |
| 09:51.58 | PrinceAMD | AlexAnteMachina, NICE? are u nutts? |
| 09:52.04 | AlexAnteMachina | why? |
| 09:52.18 | PrinceAMD | it's too hot dude, it's not nice |
| 09:52.34 | PrinceAMD | well i cant stand the heat, and most ppl cant too |
| 09:52.45 | AlexAnteMachina | hmm,.. guyana is close to the equator, i guess. |
| 09:52.58 | PrinceAMD | very |
| 09:53.19 | AlexAnteMachina | k... |
| 09:58.26 | AlexAnteMachina | uh.. |
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| 12:05.25 | Mtraker | where i can install libquicktime-x264 or libquicktime-extras? |
| 12:20.51 | she_dyed | isnt there a /usr/lib/codecs? |
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| 13:14.30 | BiG_NoBoDy | hy |
| 13:14.48 | BiG_NoBoDy | is it possible ext3 > reiserfs4? |
| 13:15.00 | BiG_NoBoDy | or ext4 to reiserfs4 ? |
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| 13:22.23 | AlexAnteMachina | hi PrinceAMD |
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| 15:35.08 | Elive_user39 | foket |
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| 15:54.48 | wasynyt | good afternoon people |
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| 16:06.36 | AlexAnteMachina | hi all |
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| 16:08.37 | wasynyt | good afternoon AlexAnteMachina |
| 16:10.08 | Ychoucha | hello @ tous |
| 16:10.20 | wasynyt | good afternoon Ychoucha |
| 16:11.43 | Ychoucha | yop wasynyt |
| 16:18.39 | AlexAnteMachina | hi wasynyt |
| 16:19.18 | wasynyt | how are you doing AlexAnteMachina and Ychoucha |
| 16:20.29 | AlexAnteMachina | i was checking my servers energy consumption. |
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| 16:21.07 | wasynyt | was it too high? |
| 16:21.08 | AlexAnteMachina | now I'll check how much electricity my testings pc needs. |
| 16:21.13 | wasynyt | good afternoon DammitJim |
| 16:21.22 | AlexAnteMachina | oh.. the server just needs 18 Watt. |
| 16:21.24 | DammitJim | hi wasynyt how are ya? |
| 16:21.37 | wasynyt | is doing well |
| 16:21.41 | wasynyt | how are you DammitJim |
| 16:22.28 | AlexAnteMachina | I just want to know how much electricity the machines need. |
| 16:23.11 | wasynyt | your server doesnt need any power, what kind of hardware is that |
| 16:23.29 | AlexAnteMachina | nslu2 |
| 16:23.40 | wasynyt | humm |
| 16:24.03 | AlexAnteMachina | wasynyt, do you have experience in raid5? |
| 16:24.26 | wasynyt | not that much.. all i know is that it needs more than two drives |
| 16:24.50 | AlexAnteMachina | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSLU2 |
| 16:25.04 | AlexAnteMachina | wasynyt, just take a look at this site and you'll know. |
| 16:26.42 | wasynyt | looks rather nice device |
| 16:27.39 | AlexAnteMachina | installed debian on it. |
| 16:27.40 | AlexAnteMachina | ;) |
| 16:27.53 | keyra | AlexAnteMachina: Debian repos are included BY DEFAULT on Elive :), but don't modify the repositories of Elive, that's a ugly thing that broke systems |
| 16:29.20 | AlexAnteMachina | wasynyt, now I'd like to know wether I could make it run a RAID5. |
| 16:36.02 | wasynyt | hmm |
| 16:36.16 | wasynyt | i guess you could run raid 5 with 3 usb drives |
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| 16:37.40 | AlexAnteMachina | yes. but I'd like to know wether it mae |
| 16:37.53 | AlexAnteMachina | it makes sense. It's only got a 233mhz cpu. |
| 16:37.54 | wasynyt | mae? |
| 16:38.10 | AlexAnteMachina | makes.. |
| 16:38.29 | AlexAnteMachina | software-raid needs cpu-power. |
| 16:39.30 | wasynyt | well does it have dedicated usb chipset |
| 16:39.48 | wasynyt | or does it do that by utilizing cpu |
| 16:43.21 | AlexAnteMachina | dont know. |
| 16:43.50 | wasynyt | well why would you like to go raid 5 and not raid 1 |
| 16:44.39 | wasynyt | do you have a network that you can use to utilize the read/write speed of raid 5 |
| 16:46.58 | AlexAnteMachina | i'd like to have raid5 because of its security. |
| 16:47.45 | AlexAnteMachina | if one hdd "dies" just replace it and data gets restored. |
| 16:48.28 | wasynyt | true |
| 16:48.56 | wasynyt | but if you wont have that much bandwith going on.. i guess your machine will hold nicely |
| 16:49.51 | AlexAnteMachina | I got a friend who's running raid5 for years. He's got good knowledge. I'd ask him. |
| 16:50.42 | wasynyt | yeah, you should |
| 16:50.57 | DammitJim | elive supports quad-core pcs, right? |
| 16:51.08 | wasynyt | it should |
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| 17:26.57 | AlexAnteMachina | well. |
| 17:27.13 | AlexAnteMachina | wasynyt, now measuring is done. |
| 17:28.07 | AlexAnteMachina | testing PC is using up 60-80 watt. and my main machine uses aobut 90-100 |
| 17:30.06 | wasynyt | that doesnt sound too bad |
| 17:30.14 | AlexAnteMachina | dunno |
| 17:30.29 | AlexAnteMachina | cant compare it to any other pc |
| 17:30.35 | wasynyt | i bet my system takes at least 100 |
| 17:31.46 | AlexAnteMachina | damn.. I'd like to have some rock-stable idea for storing all my music. |
| 17:32.03 | wasynyt | there isnt one |
| 17:32.15 | AlexAnteMachina | i know. |
| 17:32.42 | wasynyt | 2 raid 5 servers in different continents is a quite solid on |
| 17:32.44 | wasynyt | *one |
| 17:32.56 | AlexAnteMachina | even my legally bought CDs arent secure. |
| 17:33.26 | wasynyt | heh |
| 17:38.14 | AlexAnteMachina | old fashioned LPs been very stable. |
| 17:38.30 | wasynyt | yeah.. but they suffer from wear |
| 17:38.39 | AlexAnteMachina | yes. |
| 17:38.46 | wasynyt | so when you listen them a lot, it will wear them down :( |
| 17:39.02 | AlexAnteMachina | it's all going down the drain. |
| 17:40.07 | AlexAnteMachina | the one thing looses data by usage, the next is "just" loosing them. |
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| 17:40.57 | wasynyt | the better one depends on usage.. |
| 17:41.21 | AlexAnteMachina | guess we should switch back to using carved stone. |
| 17:41.51 | wasynyt | witch will break when you drop it |
| 17:42.20 | AlexAnteMachina | a hdd does that, too. |
| 17:42.27 | wasynyt | true |
| 17:45.23 | AlexAnteMachina | lol... just watching simpsons... |
| 17:45.52 | AlexAnteMachina | everytime they use a computer it's a PC with MacOS GUI! |
| 17:45.59 | wasynyt | :D |
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| 17:55.05 | Elive_user63_en | jeep jeep |
| 17:55.33 | AlexAnteMachina | seems like Elive_user63_en is a offroad-fan. |
| 17:55.46 | wasynyt | so it seems |
| 17:55.48 | Elive_user63_en | :) |
| 17:55.53 | wasynyt | good evening Elive_user63_en |
| 17:56.07 | Elive_user63_en | greeting dear elive friends :) |
| 17:56.14 | AlexAnteMachina | Elive_user63_en, Landrover, Landrover! |
| 17:56.19 | AlexAnteMachina | ;) |
| 17:57.29 | Elive_user63_en | works beautifully, fully plug and play :D |
| 17:57.46 | wasynyt | yeah.. as it should |
| 17:57.52 | Elive_user63_en | :) |
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| 19:23.32 | she_dyed | is there anyone here using grunge theme? |
| 19:26.02 | wasynyt | what is that |
| 19:26.14 | she_dyed | here's a link |
| 19:26.49 | she_dyed | http://exchange.enlightenment.org/theme/show/154 |
| 19:27.27 | wasynyt | hate to say.. but i hate that kind of themes |
| 19:27.45 | she_dyed | no thats fine |
| 19:27.53 | wasynyt | :D |
| 19:28.01 | she_dyed | when you turn it black its very dark |
| 19:28.03 | she_dyed | too dark |
| 19:28.19 | she_dyed | i'm more a gray or coffee tone |
| 19:28.36 | she_dyed | but the font on grunge is a winner |
| 19:28.42 | she_dyed | heh |
| 19:28.47 | AlexAnteMachina | i have tried it, too. |
| 19:28.50 | AlexAnteMachina | its nice |
| 19:28.57 | she_dyed | and e17 lets you pick and choose |
| 19:30.02 | AlexAnteMachina | especially how it indicates which virtual screen has focus. |
| 19:34.00 | DammitJim | do you guys know how to add a mount directory on thunar? |
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| 19:41.04 | she_dyed | mine shows automatically, but are you referring to samba mounts? |
| 19:41.18 | AlexAnteMachina | hi Elive_user84_en |
| 19:41.53 | Elive_user84_en | hi AlexAnteMachina |
| 19:42.38 | AlexAnteMachina | ja super. |
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| 20:11.35 | twiggz | i think all this elive upgrading to lenny has made it impossible to use debian backports |
| 20:11.43 | twiggz | this old ass pidgin sucks face |
| 20:11.46 | wasynyt | quite so |
| 20:11.58 | keyra | twiggz: The first thing to do if anything sucks is to report it to http://bugs.elivecd.org ! Or do you think things might get fixed magically without anybody knowing?? |
| 20:12.04 | wasynyt | but you can use lennys backports |
| 20:12.11 | twiggz | i am |
| 20:12.12 | DammitJim | she_dyed, I meant opt mounts |
| 20:12.18 | wasynyt | and most of the debian testing should work as well |
| 20:12.27 | wasynyt | good evening people |
| 20:12.29 | DammitJim | 'cause I am mounting something on a network... so that shouldn't go on media nor mnt |
| 20:12.31 | twiggz | pidgin fails to install from lenny backports |
| 20:12.50 | DammitJim | twiggz, pidgin on elive stable? |
| 20:12.56 | wasynyt | try one from debian testing/unstable |
| 20:13.11 | twiggz | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:13.26 | DammitJim | twiggz, why are you trying to update? it seems normal on mine |
| 20:13.42 | twiggz | DamnitJim, I am trying to install the latest pidgin from lenny backports |
| 20:13.47 | twiggz | it fails |
| 20:13.57 | twiggz | the normal old lenny pidgin works |
| 20:14.34 | twiggz | I am about to just do debian testing netinst and install E17 from there i think... |
| 20:14.49 | keyra | twiggz: Debian repos are included BY DEFAULT on Elive :), but don't modify the repositories of Elive, that's a ugly thing that broke systems |
| 20:15.02 | wasynyt | twiggz, why not grab debian testing pidgin package and install that |
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| 20:15.16 | twiggz | because lord knows what problems thats going to cause |
| 20:15.28 | twiggz | i dont like mix and matching |
| 20:15.31 | wasynyt | you dont know if you dont test.. |
| 20:15.38 | wasynyt | goes and tries |
| 20:15.44 | wasynyt | wait a moment please |
| 20:15.47 | twiggz | in my experience, mixing repos is not a good idea. |
| 20:17.01 | she_dyed | yea even keyra says so |
| 20:17.19 | she_dyed | unless you were thinking of reinstalling anyway |
| 20:17.49 | she_dyed | but isnt pidgin pretty much standalone |
| 20:18.56 | twiggz | no |
| 20:19.07 | twiggz | the lenny backports are failing because of the perl installed on elive |
| 20:19.21 | she_dyed | yeowch |
| 20:19.28 | twiggz | the pidgin lenny backport |
| 20:19.40 | twiggz | and the libpurple is a problem too |
| 20:19.49 | twiggz | maybe its just lenny backports thats broke |
| 20:20.35 | twiggz | the new gtk-gnutella is installing |
| 20:20.42 | twiggz | from lenny backports |
| 20:21.43 | twiggz | but it didnt need any dependancies either |
| 20:21.57 | twiggz | gtk-gnutella is developed on debian |
| 20:22.03 | twiggz | so i imagine that it would work fine |
| 20:22.05 | twiggz | lol |
| 20:24.07 | wasynyt | hmm pidgin depends on pidgin data, and pidgin data has no missing depencys.. so you should be able to install debian testing version of pidgin |
| 20:24.21 | keyra | wasynyt: Debian repos are included BY DEFAULT on Elive :), but don't modify the repositories of Elive, that's a ugly thing that broke systems |
| 20:24.21 | wasynyt | 2.6.3-1_i386 |
| 20:24.25 | twiggz | i refuse to mix and match! |
| 20:24.32 | twiggz | lol |
| 20:24.48 | twiggz | i will try ayttm from backports |
| 20:25.06 | twiggz | yes |
| 20:25.07 | twiggz | installing |
| 20:25.16 | wasynyt | :D |
| 20:25.44 | twiggz | yeah, the backport of pidgin is having problems with the updated perl on elive i thinks....i ono |
| 20:25.49 | twiggz | or the backport is just broken |
| 20:25.59 | keyra | twiggz: if you want to upgrade your elive system to a newest one without reinstall, this is not totally possible... because a lot of features are added in the 'process' (boot, configurations, detections, updates, install features, etc) and not just the packages, read the changelog of the releases so you can see the new features added and decide what you do |
| 20:26.35 | wasynyt | i would just use the debian testing version.. not by adding repo. but by adding those two packages, pidgin & pidgin data |
| 20:26.43 | wasynyt | that way nothing would be broken |
| 20:26.49 | keyra | wasynyt: Debian repos are included BY DEFAULT on Elive :), but don't modify the repositories of Elive, that's a ugly thing that broke systems |
| 20:27.03 | wasynyt | and if elives update breaks pidgin that is all that you will lose |
| 20:29.32 | twiggz | well, i got the new ayttm |
| 20:29.37 | twiggz | which is better than pidgin imo |
| 20:32.07 | twiggz | lololol |
| 20:32.08 | twiggz | fuck |
| 20:32.20 | twiggz | ayttm doesnt add itself to the elive menu that i can find... |
| 20:32.24 | she_dyed | throws up |
| 20:32.32 | wasynyt | she_dyed, ? |
| 20:33.12 | she_dyed | ayttm? i've tried that |
| 20:33.24 | wasynyt | is that evil? |
| 20:34.06 | she_dyed | no but puppy has macpup iso, which is e17 live but does persistent settings |
| 20:34.35 | she_dyed | and its chat is ayttm |
| 20:34.46 | she_dyed | anyway to each his own, i prefer the console stuff |
| 20:35.05 | she_dyed | i cant recall if it was skinnable |
| 20:35.12 | wasynyt | hm |
| 20:35.20 | she_dyed | but i think it did do the borders right |
| 20:35.59 | she_dyed | the rest of it stayed stark white |
| 20:36.06 | she_dyed | no matter what I threw at it |
| 20:36.22 | she_dyed | well that was puppy |
| 20:36.44 | she_dyed | idk if it behaves in elive |
| 20:36.54 | wasynyt | heh |
| 20:38.12 | she_dyed | and NOW i find out how to do persistence in elive, thanks to the forum |
| 20:38.24 | she_dyed | too late, i've reinstalled |
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| 20:43.55 | twiggz | haha |
| 20:44.02 | twiggz | the debian backport of ayttm is useless |
| 20:44.04 | twiggz | no yahoo |
| 20:44.22 | wasynyt | stays silent |
| 20:44.37 | twiggz | ok fucker! |
| 20:44.45 | twiggz | give me a decent testing repo |
| 20:44.46 | twiggz | lol |
| 20:44.53 | twiggz | ill enable it to install pidgin |
| 20:44.58 | wasynyt | no |
| 20:45.06 | twiggz | FINE |
| 20:45.10 | twiggz | h8er |
| 20:45.11 | wasynyt | do it without repos |
| 20:45.42 | twiggz | so all i need is the pidgin data and pidgin from testing? |
| 20:45.58 | wasynyt | http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/p/pidgin/pidgin_2.6.3-1_i386.deb |
| 20:46.09 | wasynyt | http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/p/pidgin/pidgin-data_2.6.3-1_all.deb |
| 20:46.55 | BiG_NoBoDy | :) |
| 20:47.04 | BiG_NoBoDy | dpkg -i *deb |
| 20:47.08 | wasynyt | good evening BiG_NoBoDy |
| 20:47.11 | wasynyt | yeah |
| 20:47.12 | BiG_NoBoDy | hy |
| 20:47.42 | BiG_NoBoDy | or dpkg -u pidgin*.deb |
| 20:48.03 | BiG_NoBoDy | is it is already installed . if i recall correctly |
| 20:50.00 | wasynyt | i think that it goes like that |
| 20:51.36 | twiggz | its dpkg -i still |
| 20:51.55 | twiggz | uh |
| 20:51.59 | twiggz | still errors |
| 20:52.35 | wasynyt | what is it complaining |
| 20:53.44 | twiggz | about libgtk2.0, libpurple, libdbus-glib, libstartupnotification, perl, to many to list. |
| 20:53.47 | twiggz | lol |
| 20:54.09 | wasynyt | hmm |
| 20:54.17 | twiggz | yeah, going to debian testing here. fuck this. |
| 20:54.23 | twiggz | got to save some shit here first. |
| 20:56.27 | wasynyt | heh |
| 20:56.38 | wasynyt | well what is missing in the older pidgin |
| 20:58.15 | twiggz | dont matter, im fed up with this anyway lol |
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| 20:58.24 | twiggz | im an openbox type of guy |
| 20:58.51 | twiggz | i do like to test new distros of EVERYTHING when they come out, hence im here sometimes, sometimes im not. |
| 20:58.57 | wasynyt | but i would have liked to know |
| 20:58.58 | twiggz | Im not a loyal elive user |
| 20:59.06 | wasynyt | that was not the point |
| 21:00.16 | wasynyt | ... |
| 21:00.24 | wasynyt | well i guess it was too hard |
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| 21:32.18 | AlexAnteee | hi |
| 21:32.28 | wasynyt | :D |
| 21:33.11 | AlexAnteee | wasynyt, have you ever had problems with notebook-display? |
| 21:33.32 | wasynyt | what do you mean |
| 21:34.07 | AlexAnteee | strange"effects"... |
| 21:34.58 | wasynyt | hmm have you checked the situation with other os, and opened the case and checked the connections |
| 21:36.14 | AlexAnteee | I'll upload some pix to .. ahm... damn... forgot the url of this picture-bin thing. |
| 21:36.35 | AlexAnteee | this is definately not a software-problem. |
| 21:37.52 | wasynyt | :S |
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| 21:38.16 | twiggz | record time! |
| 21:38.20 | twiggz | netinstall too |
| 21:38.45 | twiggz | Linux SuicidalDreams 2.6.30-2-686 #1 SMP Sat Sep 26 01:16:22 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 21:38.48 | twiggz | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:38.59 | wasynyt | :P |
| 21:39.14 | twiggz | i was using an outdated squeeze snapshot too.... |
| 21:39.27 | twiggz | so it took extra time to update the things on that cd too |
| 21:39.30 | twiggz | :P |
| 21:40.08 | twiggz | got openbox, xorg, everything installed, i just now lack motivation to startx |
| 21:40.10 | twiggz | lol |
| 21:40.20 | wasynyt | .P |
| 21:40.45 | twiggz | I wish slim didnt have that stupid exploit |
| 21:40.53 | AlexAnteee | ahm... can a tft get "killed" by cleaning? |
| 21:40.54 | twiggz | I would install it from a sid repo over gdm |
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| 21:41.10 | twiggz | you can login as root with no password with slim |
| 21:41.14 | twiggz | login manager |
| 21:41.15 | twiggz | lol |
| 21:41.17 | wasynyt | too bad |
| 21:41.19 | wasynyt | :D |
| 21:41.26 | wasynyt | welcome back BiG_NoBoDy |
| 21:41.32 | twiggz | slim is lighter and better than gdm |
| 21:41.37 | BiG_NoBoDy | hy |
| 21:41.39 | twiggz | less dependancies too |
| 21:41.50 | wasynyt | what about entrance or xdm |
| 21:42.00 | twiggz | entrance isnt that light |
| 21:42.02 | twiggz | lol |
| 21:42.09 | twiggz | compared slim |
| 21:42.17 | wasynyt | that might be |
| 21:42.20 | twiggz | is it lighter than gdm? |
| 21:42.46 | wasynyt | i think so... |
| 21:42.55 | wasynyt | even tho gdm is not that heavy either |
| 21:42.57 | LinuxNIT | why use a login manager? |
| 21:43.01 | LinuxNIT | if you want light |
| 21:43.04 | twiggz | because its pretty |
| 21:43.05 | wasynyt | good evening LinuxNIT |
| 21:43.15 | wasynyt | pretty shiny things! |
| 21:43.20 | OpenSpace | hi all, quick, how do you mount cdrom in unstable (there is no fstab entry and hal is handling...) |
| 21:43.25 | LinuxNIT | good evening wasynyt |
| 21:43.40 | twiggz | when you are creating your own distro....people want to see a login manager... |
| 21:43.52 | twiggz | not some prompt that they dont know how to type startx |
| 21:43.52 | wasynyt | man mount |
| 21:43.53 | twiggz | in |
| 21:44.02 | twiggz | that is what i am trying to do |
| 21:44.07 | twiggz | roll my own |
| 21:44.13 | wasynyt | hmm create a ascii login manager |
| 21:44.19 | wasynyt | that would be awesome |
| 21:44.20 | twiggz | xdm is just ugly |
| 21:44.28 | wasynyt | with full colour support |
| 21:44.38 | LinuxNIT | OpenSpace, you is it not working to select it in thunar? |
| 21:44.38 | twiggz | gdm is pretty, ive made several themes for it that can be found on gnome look |
| 21:44.43 | she_dyed | qingy does it in framebuffer |
| 21:44.55 | twiggz | look on gnome-look for username twiggz artwork |
| 21:45.03 | OpenSpace | i'd like to explain that to someone uninitiated |
| 21:45.11 | twiggz | i like my gdm themes...even though they are just modded themes |
| 21:45.14 | twiggz | not totally my own |
| 21:45.18 | twiggz | but i gave credit |
| 21:45.19 | LinuxNIT | OpenSpace, what do you mean? |
| 21:45.24 | she_dyed | does that mean your desktop will be gnome? |
| 21:45.29 | OpenSpace | thunar does not mount it |
| 21:45.30 | twiggz | no |
| 21:45.34 | twiggz | openbox |
| 21:45.36 | LinuxNIT | ok |
| 21:45.57 | twiggz | gdm is just login manager of choice since slim has that horrible local exploit where root can login with no pass |
| 21:46.34 | twiggz | and since im using thunar and other things that need gtk2 ....it doesnt need to many deps that arent needed anyway |
| 21:46.46 | twiggz | im sticking to gtk2 apps |
| 21:46.52 | twiggz | in openbox+lxpanel |
| 21:47.03 | twiggz | terminator as default terminal |
| 21:47.17 | keyra | twiggz: configurations of terminal in elpanel, of course :) |
| 21:47.23 | LinuxNIT | OpenSpace, youll need to know the device name most likely /dev/cdrom or something similar... then as root: mkdir /media/cdrom && mount /dev/cdrom /media/cdrom |
| 21:47.23 | twiggz | hush bot |
| 21:48.15 | she_dyed | DammitJim: were you able to mount in /opt |
| 21:48.43 | DammitJim | I did |
| 21:48.48 | DammitJim | but I want it to show on thunar |
| 21:48.54 | DammitJim | I'm not asking about mounting something |
| 21:49.02 | DammitJim | I'm asking about showing the mount on the left side on Thunar |
| 21:49.03 | she_dyed | i know |
| 21:49.18 | DammitJim | :) |
| 21:49.27 | OpenSpace | LinuxNIT, I know that, thanks, I just need to explain that to someone not so involved in linux world and looking for something easier |
| 21:49.48 | LinuxNIT | OpenSpace, is thunar producing an error? |
| 21:50.00 | OpenSpace | nothing at all |
| 21:51.23 | she_dyed | hmm DammitJim i thought it would be in prefs; the weird thing is, my media shows despite the prefs being UNchecked :P |
| 21:51.38 | she_dyed | THuner is teh Evil |
| 21:51.56 | twiggz | its better than pcmanfm |
| 21:52.03 | twiggz | i hate that ugly piece of crap. |
| 21:52.14 | twiggz | and nautilus is ok...but needs to many deps. |
| 21:52.18 | LinuxNIT | pcmanfm does tabs though |
| 21:52.29 | keyra | twiggz: Nautilus is bloated, just like Konqueror! Do you want to turn Elive into a mess like the other Distros? Why are you using Elive then? |
| 21:52.31 | DammitJim | yeah |
| 21:52.33 | DammitJim | it's weird |
| 21:53.09 | twiggz | LinuxNIT: use mc in a tabbed terminal then and :P |
| 21:53.10 | she_dyed | maybe bec of LVM? |
| 21:53.14 | twiggz | mrxvt |
| 21:53.15 | twiggz | haha |
| 21:53.32 | LinuxNIT | mc over pcmanfm.... youre funny |
| 21:53.39 | twiggz | I was trying to be :) |
| 21:53.54 | LinuxNIT | was being sarcastic |
| 21:54.04 | twiggz | So was I. |
| 21:54.06 | twiggz | lol |
| 21:54.11 | LinuxNIT | right |
| 21:54.13 | LinuxNIT | im sure |
| 21:54.17 | twiggz | No you arent. |
| 21:55.02 | LinuxNIT | OpenSpace, does the disk show up in the list on the left? |
| 21:55.38 | OpenSpace | LinuxNIT, It's not my comp |
| 21:56.03 | OpenSpace | ok, something is working definitely, thanks |
| 21:56.26 | LinuxNIT | hmm ok |
| 21:56.34 | LinuxNIT | well tell him good luck for me :) |
| 21:56.56 | OpenSpace | I think he has some of those vista format cd-s or something similar |
| 21:57.27 | LinuxNIT | i thought that problem was fixed... or so i thought id heard... i dont really use cds much |
| 21:57.27 | wasynyt | vista format cd? |
| 21:57.55 | OpenSpace | yes, not iso9660 |
| 21:58.15 | LinuxNIT | there were some cds that, when burned by windows would not mount properly in linux for a while but i was under the impression that that was an old problem now |
| 22:01.00 | wasynyt | sounds evil |
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| 22:11.58 | *** join/#elive eliveNOVICE (n=Elive_us@c-24-11-138-144.hsd1.sc.comcast.net) |
| 22:12.06 | LinuxNIT | wb eliveNOVICE |
| 22:12.13 | eliveNOVICE | hey guys |
| 22:12.22 | wasynyt | good evening |
| 22:12.24 | AlexAnteee | hi |
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| 22:12.35 | eliveNOVICE | how r u guys today? |
| 22:12.44 | AlexAnteee | servus, Elive_user40_en |
| 22:12.52 | wasynyt | doing well.. need to go to bed soon |
| 22:12.58 | AlexAnteee | me too. |
| 22:12.58 | LinuxNIT | doing good... and yourself? |
| 22:13.01 | she_dyed | am good eliveNOVICE |
| 22:13.25 | AlexAnteee | damn... seems my sd-card is broken. |
| 22:13.30 | AlexAnteee | again! |
| 22:13.31 | eliveNOVICE | im ok its good to be back online... school was boring as always |
| 22:13.44 | wasynyt | AlexAnteee, too bad :S |
| 22:14.02 | she_dyed | what kind of cleaner did you use man kerosene? |
| 22:14.13 | LinuxNIT | eliveNOVICE, so did you decide to go for bash? |
| 22:14.15 | she_dyed | hows the screen |
| 22:14.20 | AlexAnteee | lol.. |
| 22:14.26 | eliveNOVICE | yea i have |
| 22:14.48 | eliveNOVICE | hey linuxNIT i think u know my stepfather on here |
| 22:14.50 | AlexAnteee | i just used normal glas-cleaner. the stuff to spray on screens or windows or... |
| 22:14.55 | LinuxNIT | do i? |
| 22:15.02 | eliveNOVICE | roxville |
| 22:15.02 | eliveNOVICE | ^^ |
| 22:15.06 | wasynyt | :D |
| 22:15.06 | LinuxNIT | i do |
| 22:15.08 | LinuxNIT | how is he? |
| 22:15.13 | LinuxNIT | i havent spoken to him in ages |
| 22:15.23 | wasynyt | he was here awhile ago |
| 22:15.24 | AlexAnteee | and i did NOT submerge it. |
| 22:15.28 | eliveNOVICE | he's good he's been busy with his band |
| 22:15.33 | wasynyt | apt seen roxville |
| 22:15.35 | apt | roxville <n=Elive_us@c-24-11-138-109.hsd1.sc.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #elive, 28d 4h 51m 13s ago, saying: 'in case anyone is interested'. |
| 22:15.35 | LinuxNIT | good to hear |
| 22:15.37 | she_dyed | AlexAnteee: lol i believe you man! |
| 22:15.46 | LinuxNIT | eliveNOVICE, tell him hi for me |
| 22:15.54 | AlexAnteee | she_dyed, ?? |
| 22:16.07 | she_dyed | about not submerging |
| 22:16.09 | eliveNOVICE | ok i will |
| 22:16.18 | she_dyed | blubb blubb |
| 22:16.21 | AlexAnteee | how many kids does roxville have? |
| 22:16.32 | LinuxNIT | it took him a while to get you in here ;) |
| 22:17.01 | eliveNOVICE | (roxville) hi LinuxNIT :) |
| 22:17.06 | LinuxNIT | :) |
| 22:17.17 | AlexAnteee | she_dyed, yo. thats why i'm so confused. |
| 22:17.18 | eliveNOVICE | and AlexAnteee and she_dyed |
| 22:17.28 | AlexAnteee | howdy, roxville? |
| 22:17.38 | she_dyed | o/ roxville and NOVICE |
| 22:17.45 | eliveNOVICE | ya it"s me |
| 22:17.59 | she_dyed | he cant be NOVICE for long |
| 22:18.03 | she_dyed | heh |
| 22:18.06 | eliveNOVICE | my step son FINALLY doscovered elive/lnux |
| 22:18.11 | LinuxNIT | cool |
| 22:18.16 | eliveNOVICE | and i'm pretty happy :) |
| 22:18.23 | AlexAnteee | wow... I'm watchin a report about ghost-hunters.... |
| 22:18.26 | AlexAnteee | such idiots... |
| 22:18.31 | LinuxNIT | i bet... its been a while since ive seen you in here |
| 22:18.41 | eliveNOVICE | ya |
| 22:18.50 | she_dyed | yeah rox you can tell us if you |
| 22:18.52 | LinuxNIT | in fact i think this is the first time since i came back a few months ago |
| 22:18.53 | AlexAnteee | "Look this pix... yeah. that looks like a lil girl!... or a plastic bag...!?" |
| 22:18.54 | she_dyed | ve been vistafied |
| 22:19.32 | LinuxNIT | eliveNOVICE, i was on your end of the country a month or so back |
| 22:20.40 | LinuxNIT | took a trip to NY to vist the wifes family and we toured the NE (including canada) while we were there and came down the east coast becore coming home. |
| 22:21.13 | she_dyed | sounds like fun |
| 22:21.25 | eliveNOVICE | been having some issues with elive |
| 22:21.25 | eliveNOVICE | but it works better now |
| 22:21.25 | eliveNOVICE | LinuxNIT, net-connector is really growing up! |
| 22:21.29 | eliveNOVICE | ok i'm handing back over to josh now |
| 22:21.33 | eliveNOVICE | i mean, EliveNOVICE |
| 22:21.41 | she_dyed | good 2 cya man |
| 22:22.31 | AlexAnteee | eliveNOVICE, we r missin your artwork. |
| 22:22.35 | eliveNOVICE | hey guys im back |
| 22:22.48 | she_dyed | what other OSes you tried before elive? |
| 22:23.01 | she_dyed | maybe Windaz |
| 22:23.10 | AlexAnteee | lol... w00t... my sd-card just fucked up!. |
| 22:23.21 | she_dyed | lose any data? |
| 22:23.27 | AlexAnteee | yep. all. |
| 22:23.47 | AlexAnteee | cant mount it anymore. |
| 22:23.52 | LinuxNIT | AlexAnteee, install testdisk |
| 22:24.04 | LinuxNIT | with it comes a program called photorec |
| 22:24.10 | LinuxNIT | it might recover them for you |
| 22:24.18 | wasynyt | good night people |
| 22:24.22 | LinuxNIT | gnight wasynyt |
| 22:24.50 | she_dyed | nite wasynyt |
| 22:25.24 | AlexAnteee | lol... seems like its falling apart from heat. |
| 22:25.25 | AlexAnteee | ;) |
| 22:27.10 | eliveNOVICE | AlexAnteee, what artwork did my stepdad make? |
| 22:27.31 | LinuxNIT | he never showed you? |
| 22:27.35 | eliveNOVICE | no |
| 22:27.38 | LinuxNIT | :-O |
| 22:27.44 | she_dyed | they're in http://e17-stuff.org |
| 22:27.56 | she_dyed | but you might have to go back in time :) |
| 22:27.59 | AlexAnteee | oh, there is even more... |
| 22:28.04 | AlexAnteee | in uploaded.elivecd.org |
| 22:28.13 | AlexAnteee | there is a folder for roxville. |
| 22:28.16 | LinuxNIT | im sure he did the stuff on elives home page too |
| 22:28.27 | eliveNOVICE | wait... do u guys mean the pics he made with the editing programs? |
| 22:28.27 | keyra | AlexAnteee: microsoft says that a folder is something between the desktop and the trash, just in face of your books and pencils |
| 22:28.34 | LinuxNIT | eliveNOVICE, yes |
| 22:28.35 | AlexAnteee | yo. |
| 22:28.59 | AlexAnteee | he's also made some jingles. |
| 22:29.10 | eliveNOVICE | LinuxNIT, oh ok yea ive seen it... he made the elive 1.8.2 symbol |
| 22:29.19 | LinuxNIT | and a lot more ;) |
| 22:29.37 | eliveNOVICE | yep :) |
| 22:30.03 | eliveNOVICE | he taught me how to and i made some artwork too but not EVER as good as his |
| 22:30.04 | AlexAnteee | lol.. she_dyed testdisk had nice news. |
| 22:30.06 | AlexAnteee | :) |
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| 22:30.21 | she_dyed | oh no what did it say? |
| 22:30.37 | AlexAnteee | Disk /dev/sdc - 16 GB / 14 GiB - CHS 15326 64 32 |
| 22:30.37 | AlexAnteee | Current partition structure: |
| 22:30.37 | AlexAnteee | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:30.37 | AlexAnteee | Warning: Incorrect number of heads/cylinder 255 (FAT) != 64 (HD) |
| 22:30.37 | AlexAnteee | Warning: Incorrect number of sectors per track 63 (FAT) != 32 (HD) |
| 22:30.38 | AlexAnteee | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:30.40 | AlexAnteee | Warning: Bad ending sector (CHS and LBA don't match) |
| 22:30.42 | AlexAnteee | No partition is bootable |
| 22:30.44 | eliveNOVICE | Elive_user51_de, wb |
| 22:30.56 | LinuxNIT | AlexAnteee, use the photorec program |
| 22:31.03 | LinuxNIT | testdisk is the package it comes in |
| 22:31.05 | she_dyed | hey AlexAnteee maybe you've reached the max r/w for it |
| 22:31.26 | AlexAnteee | LinuxNIT, there aint no pix on that card. |
| 22:31.30 | Elive_user51_de | eliveNOVICE, hi, ??? |
| 22:31.31 | LinuxNIT | oh |
| 22:31.32 | LinuxNIT | ok |
| 22:31.39 | LinuxNIT | AlexAnteee, other files? |
| 22:31.40 | AlexAnteee | o/ Elive_user51_de |
| 22:31.56 | AlexAnteee | other files, yes. |
| 22:32.04 | Elive_user51_de | hallo alex, wie läufts? |
| 22:32.06 | LinuxNIT | well i think it will recover those too |
| 22:32.15 | AlexAnteee | but not important.... i think. |
| 22:32.18 | LinuxNIT | ok |
| 22:35.12 | AlexAnteee | i need to get some sleep now... |
| 22:35.32 | eliveNOVICE | AlexAnteee, nite |
| 22:36.11 | AlexAnteee | nite |
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| 22:38.39 | twiggz | also, using zsh instead of bash in my distro |
| 22:38.46 | twiggz | zsh = bash done the right way. |
| 22:39.02 | twiggz | brb, got to reboot |
| 22:39.38 | LinuxNIT | just so you know... everything he does is "the right way" so we should all do it his way |
| 22:40.03 | eliveNOVICE | really? |
| 22:40.20 | LinuxNIT | applies sarcasm to his typing |
| 22:40.49 | eliveNOVICE | lol |
| 22:41.07 | eliveNOVICE | hey guys i gtg ... ill be on later |
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| 22:42.34 | she_dyed | k |
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