IRC log for #elive on 20100316

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`00:32.03`	`Elive_user8_en`	`Anybody run Topaz with squeeze repos enabled?`
`00:32.44`	`Elive_user8_en`	`Will it crash the system?`
`00:33.01`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`Try It :D`
`00:33.22`	`eporim`	`why repos should crash an os?`
`00:33.27`	`jpstudio1`	`work fine to me`
`00:33.46`	`Elive_user8_en`	`The apps crash it I meant`
`00:33.55`	`Elive_user8_en`	`thanks`
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`01:02.40`	`Patrixia`	`keyra ?`
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`01:13.59`	`Elive_user98_es`	`hola?`
`01:14.09`	`LinuxNIT`	`hello`
`01:14.27`	`Elive_user98_es`	`hablas espaÃ±ol?..XD`
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`01:14.52`	`LinuxNIT`	`nope`
`01:14.53`	`mermouy`	`sorry no`
`01:15.15`	`Elive_user98_es`	`voy a tratar de ir a un traductor y hablar asi..`
`01:16.09`	`mermouy`	`we can try with goole 's tools`
`01:17.54`	`Elive_user98_es`	`hi! Elive try to install the module but I asked the installation and I do not have much money .. I'm dying to use it but to have a code I need to comment on the operating system .. I am new to linux and not that kind of thing I do`
`01:18.36`	`Elive_user98_es`	`not if you understand what I said .. XD`
`01:23.17`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`Just make an review of Elive`
`01:23.29`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`From Live CD`
`01:24.24`	`Elive_user98_es`	`I am new to linux .. the only thing I can say is it's very nice .. XD`
`01:24.42`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`What a different new or not?`
`01:24.46`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`It is easy`
`01:25.24`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`Take a look at already writen review :)`
`01:25.36`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`It is only 5-10 minut work :)`
`01:27.20`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`And anyway here is nobody tonight who can give you invite.`
`01:27.51`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`Just make review and send email to developer with a link of it`
`01:28.38`	`jpstudio1`	`creo que es un gran trabajo`
`01:28.46`	`jpstudio1`	`y por ende merece ser difundido`
`01:29.02`	`jpstudio1`	`no cuesta mucho hacer un review`
`01:29.23`	`jpstudio1`	`cuantos escriben articulos de otras distros o tutos`
`01:29.27`	`Elive_user98_es`	`Do not care if this in Spanish?`
`01:29.32`	`Elive_user98_es`	`por fin..`
`01:29.37`	`Elive_user98_es`	`que tipo de revision`
`01:29.39`	`Elive_user98_es`	`tengo que hacer?.`
`01:29.45`	`Solaris17_`	`your native language is fine in reviews`
`01:29.50`	`jpstudio1`	`no necesariamente tecnica`
`01:29.56`	`Elive_user98_es`	`jaj..`
`01:29.58`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`Elive_user98_es, any lang you just want :)`
`01:29.58`	`Elive_user98_es`	`pero no se..`
`01:30.02`	`Elive_user98_es`	`me parece buena..`
`01:30.04`	`Elive_user98_es`	`emm..`
`01:30.05`	`jpstudio1`	`ya que para el usuario nuevo`
`01:30.09`	`Elive_user98_es`	`compararlo con windows?.`
`01:30.12`	`jpstudio1`	`tendra en cuenta`
`01:30.24`	`jpstudio1`	`si es facil, intuitivo`
`01:30.37`	`jpstudio1`	`disponibilidad de software`
`01:30.45`	`jpstudio1`	`se puede compararlo con windows`
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`01:30.51`	`Elive_user98_es`	`disponibilidad de sofware?.`
`01:30.54`	`Elive_user98_es`	`vale..`
`01:31.02`	`Elive_user98_es`	`la unica pagina en espaÃ±ol`
`01:31.05`	`Elive_user98_es`	`es linux uruguay`
`01:31.14`	`Elive_user98_es`	`es ahi donde tengo que postear un comentario`
`01:31.15`	`Elive_user98_es`	`no?.`
`01:31.22`	`Elive_user98_es`	`va..esa "revision"..`
`01:31.29`	`jpstudio1`	`seria si de arranque encontras software en español`
`01:31.38`	`jpstudio1`	`podes ponerlo hasta en un blog`
`01:31.47`	`jpstudio1`	`ahi esta mi review...jaja`
`01:32.05`	`Elive_user98_es`	`jaj..si..porque en las paginas que mencioina elive..`
`01:32.12`	`Elive_user98_es`	`esa es la unica en espaÃ±ol`
`01:32.17`	`Elive_user98_es`	`mm..`
`01:32.35`	`jpstudio1`	`mira es mas sencillo de lo que pensas`
`01:32.43`	`jpstudio1`	`si realmente valoras el trbajo hecho`
`01:32.53`	`jpstudio1`	`creo que el review sale en unos minutos`
`01:33.00`	`Elive_user98_es`	`vale..`
`01:33.15`	`jpstudio1`	`vale comentar que es un proyecto de pocas personas`
`01:33.34`	`jpstudio1`	`y creo que el trabajo realizado es bueno`
`01:33.52`	`Elive_user98_es`	`see...`
`01:34.13`	`jpstudio1`	`yo de mi parte creo se merece darle un poco de atencion`
`01:34.32`	`Elive_user98_es`	`puedo hacerlo en un fotolog?.`
`01:34.33`	`Elive_user98_es`	`XD:`
`01:34.55`	`jpstudio1`	`jaja`
`01:35.07`	`Elive_user98_es`	`jaj`
`01:35.09`	`Elive_user98_es`	`si?.`
`01:35.09`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`:D`
`01:35.30`	`jpstudio1`	`no hay problemas`
`01:35.35`	`jpstudio1`	`es un blog tambien`
`01:35.50`	`jpstudio1`	`siempre tratando de ser objetivos`
`01:36.09`	`jpstudio1`	`inclusive nombrando que te gusta o que partes no`
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`01:56.26`	`Patrixia`	`Elive_user98_es entonces Elive no es gratuito como cualquier Linux? Estaba por bajarme el CD de Topaz`
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`01:57.16`	`Patrixia`	`¿Como voy a hacer una review si no lo puedo instalar para probarlo?`
`01:57.26`	`jpstudio1`	`gnu - linux es libre`
`01:57.33`	`jpstudio1`	`eso no implica gratis`
`01:57.44`	`jpstudio1`	`el review lo podes hacer desde el live cd`
`01:57.53`	`jpstudio1`	`tiene lo mismo que vas a instalar`
`01:58.03`	`jpstudio1`	`ademas si ves que anda rapido desde ahi`
`01:58.07`	`jpstudio1`	`imaginate instalado`
`01:58.21`	`jpstudio1`	`tampoco es una distro comercial`
`01:58.27`	`jpstudio1`	`al igual que todas`
`01:58.36`	`Patrixia`	`Es raro`
`01:58.43`	`jpstudio1`	`su desarrollador necesita comer, vestirse ydemas`
`01:59.12`	`Patrixia`	`Y que pasa con las demas distribuciones?`
`01:59.24`	`jpstudio1`	`con cuales por ejemplo?`
`02:00.18`	`Patrixia`	`La que he usado mas es Slackware`
`02:00.35`	`Patrixia`	`Probe Sabayon pero no se deja instalar y el Live CD no conecta con Internet`
`02:00.57`	`jpstudio1`	`si usaste slack`
`02:01.10`	`jpstudio1`	`con elive no tendras problemas`
`02:01.23`	`jpstudio1`	`es muy intuitiva y facil de configurar`
`02:01.32`	`jpstudio1`	`el hecho de hacer un review`
`02:01.44`	`jpstudio1`	`es para que se conozca el trbajo en mas lugares`
`02:02.05`	`jpstudio1`	`ya que aqui no hay dinero como para una campaña publicitaria`
`02:02.08`	`Patrixia`	`La verdad que me molesta eso`
`02:02.21`	`jpstudio1`	`es mas a pulmon`
`02:02.43`	`jpstudio1`	`el review es un aporte mas que se hace`
`02:02.52`	`jpstudio1`	`podes colaborar con dienr`
`02:02.56`	`Patrixia`	`Y como hacen las demas distribuciones para darse generosamente sin tanto problema?`
`02:02.58`	`jpstudio1`	`dinero`
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`02:03.07`	`jpstudio1`	`o ayudando a difundirla`
`02:03.30`	`Patrixia`	`Bueno, les deseo mucho exito`
`02:03.34`	`jpstudio1`	`es que cada una tiene su forma de proceder`
`02:03.46`	`jpstudio1`	`lo que no indica que este mal`
`02:04.05`	`jpstudio1`	`tal vez se esta juzgando mal las cosas`
`02:04.16`	`jpstudio1`	`Ubuntu se vende en las tiendas`
`02:04.20`	`jpstudio1`	`es etico eso ?`
`02:04.30`	`jpstudio1`	`si ubuntu es debian con poco mas`
`02:04.39`	`jpstudio1`	`que ha aportado a la comunidad ?`
`02:04.45`	`jpstudio1`	`diria que nada`
`02:04.51`	`Patrixia`	`No me gusta ubuntu, todo marron`
`02:05.04`	`jpstudio1`	`Launchpad hasta hace poco era de codigo cerrado`
`02:05.08`	`Patrixia`	`Ademas tiene mucha politica`
`02:05.13`	`jpstudio1`	`lo poco que crea es solo de ellos`
`02:05.22`	`jpstudio1`	`aca son muy pocas personas ayudando`
`02:05.29`	`jpstudio1`	`tal vez si fueran mas`
`02:05.37`	`jpstudio1`	`se podria quitar lo del review`
`02:05.38`	`Patrixia`	`Pero debian si, es muy configurable`
`02:05.49`	`jpstudio1`	`y dar un livecd instalable`
`02:05.51`	`jpstudio1`	`claro`
`02:05.55`	`jpstudio1`	`elive tambien`
`02:06.00`	`jpstudio1`	`al ser debian debajo`
`02:06.33`	`jpstudio1`	`hacer un review donde sea`
`02:06.37`	`Patrixia`	`Por eso me intereso, los repositorios Debian son muy eficientes`
`02:06.45`	`jpstudio1`	`claro que si`
`02:06.49`	`jpstudio1`	`son unos de los mejores`
`02:07.09`	`jpstudio1`	`de mas esta decir que el trabajo grafico que han logrado es excelente`
`02:07.22`	`jpstudio1`	`por eso de mi parte creo que Elive vale la pena`
`02:08.08`	`Patrixia`	`Slackware tiene un solo desarrollador creo, y nunca exige nada`
`02:08.20`	`jpstudio1`	`si tenes intension de instalarlo no tengo problemas en pasarte un codigo`
`02:08.35`	`jpstudio1`	`por eso te digo`
`02:08.46`	`jpstudio1`	`depende de lo que decidan los desarrolladores`
`02:09.01`	`jpstudio1`	`en ubuntu tenes cientos de desarrolladores`
`02:09.10`	`jpstudio1`	`y se ha visto muy poco`
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`02:10.51`	`Patrixia`	`Me interesa instalarlo como no. Si bajo el CD con ese codigo no tengo problema?`
`02:11.04`	`jpstudio1`	`no tenes que bajar nada`
`02:11.13`	`jpstudio1`	`cuando vallas a instalar`
`02:11.18`	`jpstudio1`	`te lleva a una web`
`02:11.26`	`jpstudio1`	`ahi pones el codigo que te paso`
`02:11.33`	`jpstudio1`	`y sigue la instalacion normal`
`02:11.46`	`Patrixia`	`Ok gracias, me lo pasas por mail?`
`02:12.19`	`jpstudio1`	`fijate en la nueva pestaña esta`
`02:12.41`	`jpstudio1`	`ya fue`
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`03:47.37`	`Solaris17_`	`so im likeing topaz so far`
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`04:40.16`	`elmo40`	`http://gcad3d.org`
`04:40.24`	`elmo40`	`not bad...`
`04:40.34`	`elmo40`	`very confusing layout, though`
`04:40.43`	`elmo40`	`Thanatermesis: anyone report any bugs with 2.0?`
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`04:42.02`	`elmo40`	`i was just given a P3-1GHz today. 256Mb RAM. 13Gb hdd. Any suggestions?`
`05:09.06`	`yebyen`	`hey`
`05:09.15`	`yebyen`	`there's no development elive now`
`05:09.44`	`yebyen`	`i just paid $15 for elive topaz`
`05:10.16`	`yebyen`	`and i think i can convince one more person to pay for elive`
`05:10.17`	`yebyen`	`lol`
`05:11.37`	`elmo40`	`only one?`
`05:11.38`	`elmo40`	`:P`
`05:12.01`	`elmo40`	`you think elive would run on a P3? with 512Mb of RAM?`
`05:12.17`	`elmo40`	`i have never tried that old of a machine before, if my memory serves me.`
`05:13.33`	`yebyen`	`he's trying some machines that are definitely above 100mhz`
`05:13.39`	`yebyen`	`i think he said 350 and 450`
`05:13.50`	`yebyen`	`wants to know if it's better than ubuntu`
`05:14.16`	`yebyen`	`i said yeah man, it's way better than ubuntu`
`05:19.00`	`elmo40`	`i was just given a P3-1GHz`
`05:19.08`	`elmo40`	`i think it can handle Elive Topaz :)`
`05:19.14`	`elmo40`	`i will try it tmrw`
`05:19.38`	`elmo40`	`Hostname: siduxbox - OS: Linux 2.6.32-8.slh.3-sidux-amd64/x86_64 - CPU: 4 x Intel(R) Core(TM) i5 (1197.000 MHz) - Processes: 178 - Uptime: 2d 10h 10m - Load Average: 0.00 - Memory Usage: 366.38MB/3961.93MB (9.25%) - Disk Usage: 195.92GB/1849.37GB (10.59%)`
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`06:04.13`	`elmo40`	`wow, just started Topaz torrent.`
`06:04.18`	`elmo40`	`says 1.2hrs to download :)`
`06:04.21`	`elmo40`	`not bad!`
`06:04.48`	`elmo40`	`from so many seeders! german, russian, spanish, argentinan, turkey, usa, Canada, and counting`
`06:04.55`	`elmo40`	`Thanatermesis: your distro is GLOBAL! :)`
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`08:38.42`	`Elive_user1_cs`	`Hallo! I have installed 2.O and installed through wine some application, that doesn't work. Where is config file for menu to repare it? Thanks for answer.`
`08:40.31`	`KuliX`	`settings > enlightenment configuration > menu`
`08:41.29`	`KuliX`	`with a left-klick on your desk`
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`08:53.29`	`Elive_user1_cs`	`But there is not possibility to delete or repare the right way to start-up file`
`08:53.44`	`Wizard`	`ziewa`
`08:53.47`	`Wizard`	`hi`
`08:54.03`	`Elive_user1_cs`	`Hi!`
`08:57.20`	`Elive_user1_cs`	`I mean, where is some config file for menu to repare it manually ...`
`08:58.46`	`Wizard`	`i think e17 uses xdg menu`
`08:58.57`	`Wizard`	`so ~/.local/share/applications`
`08:59.13`	`Wizard`	`but i'm not using e17, so i can't tell you for sure`
`09:00.18`	`Elive_user1_cs`	`Thanks! I will try it. By!`
`09:01.13`	`Wizard`	`what is cs?`
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`09:02.34`	`Wizard`	`hi wurst!`
`09:03.19`	`AlexAnteee`	`Wizard, o/`
`09:04.17`	`Wizard`	`hi AlexAnteee`
`09:04.20`	`Wizard`	`hi majax`
`09:06.53`	`AlexAnteee`	`hey Wizard, any news from the java front?`
`09:06.55`	`AlexAnteee`	`:)`
`09:07.27`	`Wizard`	`nope`
`09:07.29`	`Wizard`	`nothing`
`09:08.10`	`AlexAnteee`	`didnt you mention having ideas about the "perfect" distro?`
`09:08.27`	`Wizard`	`yes`
`09:08.43`	`AlexAnteee`	`would you tell me about?`
`09:09.08`	`majax`	`8\_p< 10Hello Wizard`
`09:09.09`	`Wizard`	`hmm, i would use rox desktop and idea of rox apps`
`09:09.34`	`AlexAnteee`	`what is rox desktop?`
`09:10.12`	`majax`	`how are you Wizard`
`09:10.18`	`Wizard`	`majax: fine ;)`
`09:10.28`	`Wizard`	`AlexAnteee: rox.sfn.net`
`09:10.31`	`Wizard`	`uh`
`09:10.35`	`Wizard`	`rox.sf.net`
`09:11.15`	`AlexAnteee`	`i guess you mean roxville, Wizard`
`09:11.39`	`Wizard`	`and i would try to hack dynamic linker to be able to build relocable binaries`
`09:11.40`	`AlexAnteee`	`huh? that's nothing. just a "parked" domain`
`09:12.16`	`Wizard`	`roscidus.com`
`09:13.36`	`AlexAnteee`	`oops... never heard of that desktop`
`09:14.02`	`Wizard`	`it's not very popular`
`09:14.14`	`Wizard`	`but it uses the idea of relocable apps`
`09:14.18`	`Wizard`	`like in os x`
`09:14.33`	`Wizard`	`that's very nice thing, in my opinion`
`09:14.46`	`Wizard`	`user can drag and drop apps where he want's`
`09:15.02`	`Wizard`	`of cours it will be hard to acheive in linux, because of hardcoded paths`
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`09:17.19`	`Wizard`	`so this is just an idea`
`09:18.21`	`Wizard`	`and i'm not going to implement this`
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`09:19.40`	`AlexAnteee`	`i was just reading about it.`
`09:19.44`	`AlexAnteee`	`sounds interesting.`
`09:19.55`	`AlexAnteee`	`install by drag'n'drop`
`09:19.57`	`AlexAnteee`	`nice`
`09:20.25`	`AlexAnteee`	`and the whole app is placed inside just one single folder`
`09:21.03`	`Wizard`	`yeah, also dependant libs`
`09:21.27`	`Wizard`	`i think it would be nice`
`09:21.55`	`Wizard`	`but, even hacking linker is easy`
`09:22.07`	`Wizard`	`because many apps have hardcoded paths`
`09:22.07`	`AlexAnteee`	`i have no idea about those things.`
`09:22.29`	`Wizard`	`and this would be real problem`
`09:22.33`	`AlexAnteee`	`Wizard, is that rox desktop in the repos?`
`09:22.39`	`Wizard`	`yeah`
`09:23.08`	`AlexAnteee`	`but how can it work if it aims on using a completely different structure than linux does?`
`09:35.08`	`Wizard`	`it could`
`09:35.12`	`Wizard`	`if os x can..`
`09:36.05`	`AlexAnteee`	`Wizard, good point`
`09:36.06`	`AlexAnteee`	`:)`
`09:36.26`	`AlexAnteee`	`but i could only find the rox-filer in the repos`
`09:36.39`	`AlexAnteee`	`no desktop-environment like thing`
`09:38.30`	`Wizard`	`yeah, seems that debian does not have anymeta-package`
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`09:52.55`	`AlexAnteee`	`Wizard, did you manage to install the rox-wm?`
`09:53.17`	`AlexAnteee`	`i just installed it using this rox-install tool`
`09:53.28`	`Wizard`	`few years ago`
`09:53.41`	`AlexAnteee`	`but i dont know how to install it "like a normal" wm.`
`09:53.47`	`Wizard`	`i've used rox around 2005`
`09:53.55`	`AlexAnteee`	`so I could choose which wm to use when logging in`
`09:54.04`	`Wizard`	`hmm, i don't know :(`
`09:54.38`	`AlexAnteee`	`because it's quite useless starting a windowmanager by using another windowmanager.`
`09:54.40`	`AlexAnteee`	`gg`
`09:54.56`	`AlexAnteee`	`so here rox would run on top of e17.`
`09:54.59`	`AlexAnteee`	`gg`
`09:55.01`	`Wizard`	`i told you, it's just my idea, i haven't much time yesterday`
`09:55.07`	`Wizard`	`yeah, it can`
`09:55.52`	`AlexAnteee`	`guess ill read more about it`
`09:56.02`	`AlexAnteee`	`seems to be interesting.`
`09:56.33`	`Wizard`	`:)`
`09:56.36`	`Wizard`	`yeah, it is`
`09:56.42`	`Wizard`	`to bad it is not well-known`
`09:56.58`	`AlexAnteee`	`but actually im thinking about what wm using for my mom's pc`
`09:57.32`	`AlexAnteee`	`my mom has no pc`
`09:57.52`	`AlexAnteee`	`and last time she worked with a pc is about 10 years ago`
`09:58.07`	`AlexAnteee`	`so I can hand her anything.`
`09:58.17`	`AlexAnteee`	`she's not used to some gui`
`09:58.48`	`AlexAnteee`	`so i could even introduce her easily to e17`
`10:02.36`	`AlexAnteee`	`what do you think about it, Wizard ?`
`10:03.26`	`Wizard`	`i think gnome would be good`
`10:04.20`	`AlexAnteee`	`it will be a "point, click and forget" system`
`10:04.43`	`AlexAnteee`	`since she really has no idea about computers.`
`10:05.29`	`AlexAnteee`	`I will have to preconfigure it very much. So all she needs to do is to click an icon.`
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`10:11.56`	`AlexAnteee`	`And since I will have to do all that I'm thinking about using Elive Topaz for that project. :)`
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`10:12.57`	`AlexAnteee`	`any "cons" i havent thought about it, Wizard ?`
`10:12.59`	`AlexAnteee`	`hi osc`
`10:13.04`	`osc`	`hey`
`10:13.12`	`osc`	`hatte grad ne wurzelbehandlung`
`10:13.16`	`osc`	`alles rausgerupft`
`10:13.21`	`osc`	`5 spritzen`
`10:13.24`	`AlexAnteee`	`warst du nich gestern erst beim z-arzt?`
`10:13.26`	`osc`	`yop`
`10:13.39`	`osc`	`hat nix gebracht jetzt hat sie den zahn und alles drumherum ausradiert`
`10:13.41`	`AlexAnteee`	`na, dann bist jetzt erst mal krank`
`10:13.50`	`Wizard`	`AlexAnteee: gnome will do the rick`
`10:13.53`	`Wizard`	`hi osc`
`10:13.57`	`osc`	`mal sehen wies is wenn die betÃ¤ubung nachlÃ¤sst`
`10:13.59`	`osc`	`hi Wizard`
`10:14.13`	`AlexAnteee`	`lol... Wizard okay. but that aint a con`
`10:14.50`	`Wizard`	`hehe`
`10:14.59`	`Wizard`	`AlexAnteee: sorry, i'm quite busy now :(`
`10:15.08`	`AlexAnteee`	`okay, no problem Wizard`
`10:15.46`	`AlexAnteee`	`:)`
`10:15.52`	`AlexAnteee`	`thanks anyway, Wizard`
`10:16.10`	`AlexAnteee`	`osc is sicher langweilig`
`10:16.27`	`AlexAnteee`	`;)`
`10:17.58`	`osc`	`nee`
`10:18.09`	`osc`	`bin nur stoned von der betÃ¤ubung`
`10:20.04`	`AlexAnteee`	`also schwer beschÃ¤ftigt`
`10:20.25`	`AlexAnteee`	`weisste, ich werd meiner mutter nen pc zusammenbasteln.`
`10:20.37`	`AlexAnteee`	`und da kommt natÃ¼rlich linux drauf`
`10:20.40`	`AlexAnteee`	`:)`
`10:20.56`	`AlexAnteee`	`meine mutter hatte zuletzt vor 10 jahren oder so vor nem pc gesessen.`
`10:21.03`	`AlexAnteee`	`die hat seitdem gar keinen`
`10:21.20`	`AlexAnteee`	`also gibts auch keine Gewohnheiten auf die ich rÃ¼cksicht nehmen mÃ¼sste.`
`10:21.38`	`AlexAnteee`	`so wie das bei jahrelangen win-usern ist.`
`10:22.37`	`AlexAnteee`	`ich kÃ¶nnte also problemlos elive benutzen.`
`10:22.50`	`AlexAnteee`	`muss das eh alles so einstellen dass mami nur auf'n icon klickt`
`10:23.52`	`AlexAnteee`	`osc, hast du evtl anregungen? ideen?`
`10:24.36`	`AlexAnteee`	`oder bist du groggy und willst jetzt deine ruhe?`
`10:26.30`	`osc`	`nee passt`
`10:26.37`	`AlexAnteee`	`juhuu!`
`10:26.42`	`osc`	`ich wÃ¼rd ihr ubuntu drauf machen`
`10:26.58`	`AlexAnteee`	`ich hab hier nÃ¤mlich niemanden mit dem ich solcherlei probleme diskutieren kÃ¶nnte`
`10:27.05`	`osc`	`jo no problemo`
`10:27.10`	`AlexAnteee`	`warum ubuntu?`
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`10:27.14`	`osc`	`du kannst auch in #ubuntu auf irc.euirc.net kommen`
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`10:27.25`	`osc`	`bin da sowas wie ein chef ^^`
`10:27.45`	`osc`	`naja ubuntu eignet sich zum anfangen und wenn man keinen bock hat sich gross damit zu beschÃ¤ftigen`
`10:27.52`	`osc`	`ist ziemlich stabil`
`10:28.00`	`osc`	`was man von elive nicht behaupten kann`
`10:28.03`	`AlexAnteee`	`wie gesagt, ich muss es eh komplett vorkonfigurieren.`
`10:28.11`	`osc`	`nyo`
`10:28.32`	`AlexAnteee`	`hmm?`
`10:28.36`	`osc`	`ist ne glaubensfrage`
`10:28.42`	`osc`	`ich fand als linux anfÃ¤nger ubuntu echt gut`
`10:28.52`	`osc`	`elive wÃ¼rd ich mir vor 5 jahren nicht zutrauen`
`10:28.53`	`AlexAnteee`	`ja schon.`
`10:28.59`	`AlexAnteee`	`aber du wolltest dich ja damit auseinandersetzen.`
`10:29.04`	`osc`	`stimmt auch`
`10:29.20`	`AlexAnteee`	`da is ubuntu, mandriva, opensuse, linuxmint.... super`
`10:29.32`	`osc`	`mint wÃ¤r auch ne idee`
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`10:29.53`	`osc`	`was fÃ¼rn pc willste denn ausstatten oder wirst du den komplett from scratch aufbauen?`
`10:30.02`	`osc`	`mint hat ne sehr gute out of the box expierience`
`10:30.08`	`AlexAnteee`	`aber dass elive nicht stabil wÃ¤re kann ich nciht unterstÃ¼tzen.`
`10:30.18`	`osc`	`also mir kackt elive ab und zu ab`
`10:30.21`	`AlexAnteee`	`ich benutz das seit 2 jahren fast ausschliesslich`
`10:30.39`	`AlexAnteee`	`lol... definiere abkacken`
`10:31.05`	`osc`	`naja xserver startet neu, und gestern als ich das gtk theme wechseln wollte isses komplett abgeraucht, musst hardresetten`
`10:31.38`	`osc`	`abgesehen davon find ich den systray immernoch hÃ¤sslich`
`10:31.43`	`osc`	`versteh mich nicht falsch ich mag elice`
`10:31.45`	`osc`	`elive`
`10:31.52`	`osc`	`aber ich wÃ¼rds keinem anfÃ¤nger ans herz legen`
`10:32.36`	`osc`	`whatever warte doch auf ubuntu lucid`
`10:32.37`	`AlexAnteee`	`ja das systra`
`10:33.01`	`AlexAnteee`	`kapier nicht warum das nich fake-transparenz nutzt`
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`10:33.16`	`osc`	`das wird ein long term support release`
`10:33.21`	`osc`	`also 10.04`
`10:33.30`	`AlexAnteee`	`gg`
`10:33.42`	`AlexAnteee`	`hab meinem bruder, der auch ein "Es muss laufen!"`
`10:33.45`	`AlexAnteee`	`typ ist`
`10:33.54`	`AlexAnteee`	`ein elive-dev installiert`
`10:34.14`	`AlexAnteee`	`mit ein paar anpassungen.`
`10:34.15`	`AlexAnteee`	`lÃ¤uft seit etwa 1 oder 2 jahren stabil`
`10:34.26`	`osc`	`kommt auch immer auf die hardware an denke ich`
`10:34.52`	`AlexAnteee`	`er is zwar ab und angepisst weil irgendwas das irgendwer auf win laufen hat bei ihm nicht lÃ¤uft, aber die stabilitÃ¤t is 1a.`
`10:34.59`	`AlexAnteee`	`verlÃ¤ssliche kiste.`
`10:35.39`	`osc`	`jo is halt debian ^^`
`10:35.45`	`AlexAnteee`	`und er muss sich keinen kopf um verbreitete windows-exploits machen`
`10:36.04`	`AlexAnteee`	`anschalten - - geht.`
`10:36.05`	`osc`	`jo das is richtig`
`10:36.34`	`osc`	`naja wie auch immer ich find fÃ¼r nen beginner immernoch gnome am besten und da nimmt man dann am besten mint oder das normale ubuntu`
`10:37.11`	`AlexAnteee`	`stimmt auch wieder.`
`10:37.36`	`osc`	`glaub nich dass deine mom sich so um die eyecandy schert`
`10:37.41`	`osc`	`und wenn, dann ---> compiz`
`10:39.18`	`AlexAnteee`	`naja, compiz braucht ganz schÃ¶n ram und cpu`
`10:40.11`	`AlexAnteee`	`hast du mal kde 3 benutzt?`
`10:40.45`	`osc`	`jop`
`10:40.52`	`osc`	`frÃ¼her ^^`
`10:40.58`	`osc`	`is das letzte kde das ich gut fand`
`10:41.19`	`osc`	`aber kA da kann man dann auch mint nehmen`
`10:41.21`	`AlexAnteee`	`da konnte man so taskleisten generieren und mit beliebigen tools fÃ¼llen.`
`10:42.00`	`osc`	`das geht doch auch mit gnome`
`10:42.14`	`AlexAnteee`	`z.b. hab ich mir damals ne leiste auf die linke desktopseite gepackt, die sich selbst versteckt und nur erscheint wenn der cursor den linken desktoprand berÃ¼hrt.`
`10:42.25`	`osc`	`jo`
`10:42.30`	`osc`	`geht auch bei gnome`
`10:42.52`	`AlexAnteee`	`und in diese leiste hab ich dann nen dateimanager gestopft, der per default meinen user-ordner anzeigt.`
`10:43.00`	`AlexAnteee`	`ja, ich dachte mir, dass das mit gnome auch geht.`
`10:43.15`	`AlexAnteee`	`ich frag mcih nur ob das mit e17 auch geht.`
`10:43.16`	`osc`	`naja`
`10:43.24`	`osc`	`wohnst du bei deiner mom?`
`10:43.26`	`osc`	`ja das geht`
`10:43.53`	`AlexAnteee`	`lol.... da sind mal elegante 550 km zwischen uns.`
`10:43.59`	`osc`	`siehste`
`10:44.04`	`osc`	`und wenn dann mal was nich klappt`
`10:44.06`	`osc`	`biste der depp`
`10:44.25`	`AlexAnteee`	`???`
`10:44.33`	`AlexAnteee`	`da komm ich grad nicht mit`
`10:45.02`	`osc`	`also entweder elive und echt alles testen und konfigurieren`
`10:45.27`	`osc`	`oder halt mint oder ubuntu und hoffen dass die devs keinen bullshit machen weil das is immernoch am stabilsten`
`10:45.43`	`AlexAnteee`	`hmm,....`
`10:45.45`	`osc`	`immer wenn ich leuten linux installiert hab`
`10:45.58`	`osc`	`und dann nich in der nÃ¤he war zum helfen wenn mal irgendwas nich ging`
`10:46.04`	`osc`	`drucker einrichten mit cups is sowas`
`10:46.17`	`AlexAnteee`	`drucker liefere ich mit.`
`10:46.20`	`osc`	`naja whatever auf jedenfall kommen dann so selbsternannt profis die dann winxp draufballern`
`10:46.27`	`AlexAnteee`	`lol`
`10:46.44`	`osc`	`is so`
`10:46.45`	`AlexAnteee`	`ich stell das gesamte system zur verfÃ¼gung.`
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`10:47.16`	`osc`	`najo trichter ihr halt rein dass nur du und ausgewÃ¤hltes personal den rechner anfassen darf`
`10:47.21`	`AlexAnteee`	`inclusive webcam, drucker und evtl. scanner`
`10:47.34`	`AlexAnteee`	`lol....`
`10:47.49`	`AlexAnteee`	`ausgewÃ¤hltes personal`
`10:47.52`	`AlexAnteee`	`gg`
`10:47.54`	`osc`	`^^`
`10:47.56`	`osc`	`is so`
`10:48.01`	`osc`	`mein vater is son kandidat`
`10:48.02`	`AlexAnteee`	`welches personal?`
`10:48.07`	`osc`	`der meint er hat echt plan`
`10:48.13`	`AlexAnteee`	`dein vater ist personal?`
`10:48.14`	`AlexAnteee`	`lol`
`10:48.18`	`osc`	`und alles was er kann is formatieren und xp einrichten`
`10:48.24`	`osc`	`total kacke`
`10:48.36`	`AlexAnteee`	`lol`
`10:48.41`	`AlexAnteee`	`nee, das wird nciht passieren.`
`10:48.44`	`osc`	`^^`
`10:48.54`	`AlexAnteee`	`ich richte alles ein und nehm das root-passwort mit.`
`10:48.56`	`osc`	`wo wohnst du denn?`
`10:48.57`	`AlexAnteee`	`gg`
`10:48.59`	`osc`	`sehr gut :D`
`10:49.06`	`AlexAnteee`	`kein scheiss.`
`10:49.16`	`AlexAnteee`	`ich muss die zwei knaller vor ihrer eigenen dummheit retten.`
`10:49.40`	`osc`	`hrhr`
`10:49.50`	`AlexAnteee`	`ich werd dann ssh offenlassen.`
`10:49.54`	`AlexAnteee`	`dann kann ich rein.`
`10:50.03`	`osc`	`oder vnc`
`10:50.06`	`osc`	`mit nem guten pw`
`10:50.06`	`AlexAnteee`	`oh, und dem router werd ich nen dns mitgeben.`
`10:50.14`	`AlexAnteee`	`nee. ssh.`
`10:50.22`	`osc`	`jow`
`10:50.27`	`AlexAnteee`	`damit kann ich dann vnc starten`
`10:50.34`	`osc`	`stimmt auch`
`10:50.41`	`AlexAnteee`	`x11vnc`
`10:50.59`	`AlexAnteee`	`und das kommt bei elive schon mit.`
`10:51.02`	`AlexAnteee`	`gg`
`10:51.28`	`AlexAnteee`	`hmm,.... muss mal mit wol rumspielen.`
`10:51.28`	`osc`	`najo vino und vinagre bei ubuntu ja auch :P`
`10:51.29`	`Wizard`	`ja ja`
`10:51.31`	`Wizard`	`;)`
`10:51.38`	`AlexAnteee`	`vino?`
`10:51.42`	`AlexAnteee`	`kennsch ned.`
`10:51.50`	`osc`	`is auch n vnc client`
`10:51.51`	`AlexAnteee`	`kamma des saufn?`
`10:51.59`	`osc`	`Ã¤h server`
`10:52.10`	`osc`	`und vinagre der client`
`10:52.16`	`AlexAnteee`	`gibs da n sommelje dafÃ¼r?`
`10:52.21`	`AlexAnteee`	`;)`
`10:52.23`	`osc`	`:P`
`10:53.18`	`AlexAnteee`	`ja, drogen sin scheisse, aber so ein SCHÃNER Rotwein...`
`10:53.21`	`AlexAnteee`	`:P`
`10:53.37`	`osc`	`drogen sind lustig, nur darf man nich erwarten dass sie harmlos sind ^^`
`10:53.43`	`AlexAnteee`	`jup.`
`10:53.55`	`AlexAnteee`	`man frisst ja auch keine schmerzmittel um lustig draufzukommen`
`10:54.16`	`osc`	`nicht? ^^`
`10:54.32`	`AlexAnteee`	`"Uj... jetzt hab ich ne handvoll tabletten gefressen.... ich versteh gaarnich dass das schÃ¤dlich is..."`
`10:54.37`	`osc`	`heroin is eins der ersten antitussiva und analgetika gewesen`
`10:54.39`	`AlexAnteee`	`deppen.`
`10:54.50`	`AlexAnteee`	`was?`
`10:54.53`	`osc`	`gabs in flaschen, von bayer`
`10:54.56`	`AlexAnteee`	`antiTussiva?`
`10:55.00`	`osc`	`husten`
`10:55.23`	`AlexAnteee`	`lol... klingt wie gegen Zickenterror`
`10:55.30`	`osc`	`http://doctorsfromthefuture.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/bayer_heroin_bottle.jpg`
`10:55.52`	`AlexAnteee`	`lol`
`10:56.03`	`AlexAnteee`	`naja, kommt halt drauf an wie mans einsetzt.`
`10:56.09`	`AlexAnteee`	`opium is auch so ein kandidat.`
`10:56.10`	`osc`	`wie paracelsus sagt`
`10:56.16`	`osc`	`die dosis macht das gibt`
`10:56.19`	`osc`	`gift`
`10:56.31`	`AlexAnteee`	`kann man nich einfach pro kg kÃ¶rpergewicht dosieren. muss man individuell einstellen.`
`10:56.39`	`osc`	`naja opium im rohen zustand hat kaum nen medizinischen wert`
`10:56.51`	`osc`	`jo wie die das ultracain heute`
`10:56.54`	`AlexAnteee`	`okay. dann Opiate`
`10:57.11`	`osc`	`andere leute sind nach der 1. spritze schon bohrerfein`
`10:57.14`	`osc`	`bei mir brauchts 5`
`10:57.45`	`osc`	`das war glaub ich das schlimmste, die spritzen heute`
`11:00.29`	`AlexAnteee`	`naja, schliesslich hats doch gewirkt`
`11:00.40`	`osc`	`jo das is ja die hauptsache`
`11:01.32`	`osc`	`obwohl ich ein bisschen angst habe dass es wieder weh tut wenn die betÃ¤ubung nachlÃ¤sst`
`11:03.05`	`AlexAnteee`	`hast du keine schmerzmittel mitbekommen?`
`11:03.25`	`osc`	`nee`
`11:03.30`	`AlexAnteee`	`o_O`
`11:03.34`	`AlexAnteee`	`oha!`
`11:03.36`	`osc`	`^^`
`11:03.40`	`AlexAnteee`	`na dann auf auf!`
`11:03.47`	`osc`	`was soll ich denn holen`
`11:03.53`	`AlexAnteee`	`hurtig die Ãrztin belÃ¤stigt!`
`11:04.03`	`osc`	`hm`
`11:04.07`	`osc`	`die meinte ich wÃ¼rd keine brauchen`
`11:04.16`	`AlexAnteee`	`Ã¤h...`
`11:04.17`	`osc`	`und ich glaub das soviel wie sie da rausgeholt hat an nerv`
`11:04.48`	`AlexAnteee`	`die hat doch die kmplette wurzel entfernt, nein?`
`11:04.54`	`osc`	`glaube schon`
`11:05.00`	`AlexAnteee`	`lol...`
`11:05.17`	`AlexAnteee`	`wurde auch etwas genÃ¤ht, nehm ich an.`
`11:05.20`	`osc`	`nee`
`11:05.27`	`AlexAnteee`	`??`
`11:05.30`	`osc`	`nur aufgebohrt, drin rumgewÃ¼hlt`
`11:05.36`	`osc`	`und zugemacht`
`11:05.40`	`AlexAnteee`	`ui`
`11:05.46`	`AlexAnteee`	`hmm,...`
`11:06.19`	`AlexAnteee`	`naja, sie is die Ãrztin.`
`11:06.22`	`osc`	`eben`
`11:06.25`	`osc`	`werden sehen`
`11:06.29`	`AlexAnteee`	`stimmt`
`11:07.46`	`osc`	`wenn nich, ich wohn in berlin`
`11:07.52`	`osc`	`da gibts an jeder ecke ne apotheke`
`11:07.59`	`AlexAnteee`	`na, da wird sich was finden.`
`11:08.40`	`osc`	`jo und wenn nich fahr ich neukÃ¶lln und hol mir irgendnen opioid`
`11:08.49`	`osc`	`^^^`
`11:09.04`	`AlexAnteee`	`gg`
`11:11.06`	`AlexAnteee`	`in der charite findest du sicher hilfe`
`11:17.12`	`osc`	`^^`
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`11:32.58`	`AlexAnteee`	`osc, ich bin auch am Ã¼berlegen ob ich nicht nen nettop nehme, anstatt nen pc zusammenzuschrauben.`
`11:33.37`	`osc`	`du meinst sone art eee box oder so`
`11:33.43`	`osc`	`oder wind`
`11:35.25`	`AlexAnteee`	`oder sowas hier: http://tinyurl.com/ylm5y6j`
`11:35.42`	`osc`	`yo genau`
`11:36.38`	`AlexAnteee`	`atom doppelkern und nvidia ion`
`11:36.41`	`AlexAnteee`	`das reicht`
`11:36.44`	`osc`	`http://www.cyberport.de/pc-hardware/pc-systeme/mini-pcs/liste.html`
`11:36.46`	`osc`	`yo`
`11:36.49`	`osc`	`aber teuer`
`11:37.03`	`AlexAnteee`	`naja, dafÃ¼r bin ich aber sicher dass es taugt.`
`11:37.24`	`osc`	`musst du wissen`
`11:37.26`	`AlexAnteee`	`weisste, meine ma verkehrte in sowas wie den "besseren kreisen" da`
`11:37.39`	`osc`	`wo?`
`11:38.16`	`AlexAnteee`	`und wenn ich da n pc hinstelle und das ding ruckel bei video und oder is flugs veraltet, weil wir 100 euro gespart haben, dann gibts bloss dummes gelaber von leuten die nix wissen.`
`11:38.37`	`AlexAnteee`	`und sooo teuer is die plattform nich.`
`11:38.45`	`AlexAnteee`	`guck mal bei alternate`
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`11:39.03`	`AlexAnteee`	`ein ion mainboard`
`11:39.14`	`AlexAnteee`	`oder ein billigmainboard mit billiger cpu.`
`11:39.25`	`AlexAnteee`	`da kommt das "normale" board teurer.`
`11:39.34`	`AlexAnteee`	`musst ja noch ne graka draufstecken.`
`11:40.06`	`AlexAnteee`	`schon ohne graka ist der preis fast identisch.`
`11:40.11`	`AlexAnteee`	`ca 120 euro`
`11:43.30`	`osc`	`hmhm`
`11:43.33`	`osc`	`haste recht`
`11:43.37`	`AlexAnteee`	`jupp.`
`11:43.46`	`AlexAnteee`	`hab's auch nciht geglaubt bis ich nachgeshen hab`
`11:44.45`	`AlexAnteee`	`und Ã¼ber meine ma will ich gar nciht so viel quatschen. die hat nÃ¤mlich nen sockenschuss.`
`11:45.20`	`AlexAnteee`	`is halt meine ma, daher kÃ¼mmer ich mcih drum.`
`11:45.27`	`AlexAnteee`	`sonst wÃ¤rs mir egal.`
`11:45.28`	`osc`	`:)`
`11:45.35`	`osc`	`jo du wirst schon das passende finden`
`11:47.09`	`AlexAnteee`	`der einzig positive aspekt ist, dass hÃ¶chstwarscheinlich einige leute das system sehen werden. und eventuell auch sowas wollen.`
`11:47.32`	`AlexAnteee`	`und dann mach ich das natÃ¼rlich auch, allerdings nicht zum selbstkostenpreis.`
`11:47.34`	`AlexAnteee`	`;)`
`11:48.23`	`AlexAnteee`	`dass is dann aber kein problem. die haben genug geld.`
`11:48.25`	`AlexAnteee`	`:)`
`11:48.32`	`osc`	`hehe sehr guter plan`
`11:48.49`	`AlexAnteee`	`ja, und daher kann ich halt kein billigsystem hinstellen`
`11:49.03`	`AlexAnteee`	`das muss was hermachen und stabil laufen.`
`11:49.19`	`AlexAnteee`	`selbst installieren oder einstellen is da zweitrangig`
`11:49.30`	`AlexAnteee`	`wenn man kohle hat, dann kauft man sich wissen ein.`
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`11:49.57`	`osc`	`krass`
`11:50.14`	`AlexAnteee`	`is echt so.`
`11:50.31`	`AlexAnteee`	`allerdings jammern die am meisten dass alles so teuer wÃ¤r und sie kein geld haben.`
`11:50.59`	`AlexAnteee`	`naja, .... wenn man ein hÃ¤uschen an der Cote d'Azur hat wird man nciht von hartz4 leben mÃ¼ssen.`
`11:56.45`	`AlexAnteee`	`allerdings lebe ich auf hartz4 niveau.`
`11:57.07`	`AlexAnteee`	`osc, und glaub bloss nicht dass die mal paar euro rÃ¼berwachsen liessen.`
`11:57.22`	`osc`	`hehe`
`11:57.37`	`AlexAnteee`	`ich sag ja, meine ma hat nich alle.`
`11:57.44`	`osc`	`frag mich mal meine eltern haben ne tauchschule auf fuerteventura und meine grosseltern viele immobilien`
`11:58.02`	`AlexAnteee`	`ich frag dich mal.`
`11:58.39`	`AlexAnteee`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`12:01.15`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`Hello World`
`12:01.19`	`AlexAnteee`	`hi DronAn[BY]_eeepc`
`12:01.26`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`AlexAnteee, AlexAnteMachina :D`
`12:01.35`	`AlexAnteee`	`blip`
`12:01.52`	`AlexAnteee`	`osc, ich frag dich mal...`
`12:09.31`	`AlexAnteee`	`so, ich muss dann mal weg`
`12:09.35`	`AlexAnteee`	`bye all!`
`12:10.43`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`bb`
`12:10.56`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`& nicht fershtein`
`12:10.58`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`:)`
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`12:23.59`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`AlexAnteMachina, http://translate.google.com.by/translate?hl=ru&sl=ru&tl=de&u=http://www.onliner.by/news/16.03.2010/14.12/`
`12:24.16`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`We are the champions.... now`
`12:24.17`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`:D`
`12:24.34`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`Like eat it bitches :D`
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`13:00.39`	`Elive_user46_en`	`hi`
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`13:21.10`	`osc`	`yay toothache gone, all hail modern dentist skills`
`13:23.48`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`:)`
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`13:24.04`	`mermouy`	`Hi there`
`13:30.30`	`osc`	`hi mermouy`
`13:33.43`	`osc`	`tbh i thought here would be more, you know, activity`
`13:33.51`	`osc`	`i mean in this channel`
`13:34.12`	`osc`	`elive is a pretty decent distro`
`13:34.22`	`osc`	`some bugs`
`13:34.42`	`osc`	`but that could be related to my eee`
`13:35.09`	`mermouy`	`or to debian itself...`
`13:35.18`	`osc`	`right`
`13:35.31`	`osc`	`well the systray annoys me pretty hard`
`13:36.11`	`osc`	`is there a way to change the opacity of the background`
`13:36.25`	`mermouy`	`same for me I donnu`
`13:36.26`	`osc`	`my dark wallpaper and this white block in my screen`
`13:38.14`	`osc`	`not cool`
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`13:42.52`	`AlexAnteee`	`gg`
`13:42.54`	`AlexAnteee`	`hi all`
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`14:27.37`	`elmo40`	`!seen Thanatermesis`
`14:27.38`	`diabetik`	`elmo40: Thanatermesis was last seen in #elive 3 days, 16 hours, 12 minutes, and 12 seconds ago: <Thanatermesis> MrSandman, have you see this email ?`
`14:28.05`	`elmo40`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc: so... you are saying that i can add a buntu repo to my list and NOT fcuk it up?`
`14:28.22`	`elmo40`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lNqqryPBNU`
`14:28.46`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`Not ubuntu repo :D`
`14:29.12`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`Just branch hardy from programm's vendor`
`14:30.25`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`Like this:`
`14:30.30`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`deb http://europe.debian.elive-systems.com lenny main contrib non-free`
`14:30.30`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/chromium-daily/ppa/ubuntu hardy main`
`14:30.30`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/chromium-daily/ppa/ubuntu hardy main`
`14:30.30`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/zyv/ppa/ubuntu hardy main`
`14:30.31`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/zyv/ppa/ubuntu hardy main`
`14:30.40`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`Everything is fine`
`14:30.53`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`Just not need to be stupid :D`
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`14:31.37`	`AlexAnteMachina`	`hi all`
`14:31.44`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`Hello`
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`14:33.56`	`AlexAnteMachina`	`hi DronAn[BY]_eeepc`
`14:34.06`	`AlexAnteMachina`	`do you know where the entrance-themes are stored?`
`14:34.40`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`oh not realy`
`14:35.47`	`AlexAnteMachina`	`found it!`
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`14:36.49`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`Where?`
`14:37.02`	`AlexAnteMachina`	`/usr/share/entrance`
`14:37.08`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`I was find it the other day`
`14:37.22`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`Ok. thanks. Need to remember it :)`
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`14:38.06`	`AlexAnteMachina`	`there should be a preview for the entrance-themes.`
`14:38.51`	`osc`	`hm`
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`15:06.07`	`Elive_user88`	`hey`
`15:06.10`	`Elive_user88`	`new to this`
`15:06.16`	`Elive_user88`	`how to a perform a update?`
`15:06.54`	`mermouy`	`enter "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" in a root terminal`
`15:09.12`	`mermouy`	`u're welcome`
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`15:22.39`	`AlexAnteMachina`	`mermouy, hi`
`15:23.01`	`mermouy`	`Hi AlexAnteMachina`
`15:23.50`	`AlexAnteMachina`	`there are 2 kinds of people i dislike. one has just disappeard.`
`15:23.57`	`mermouy`	`hey just find http://www.yagi.fr/Carte-WiFi-USB-Haute-puissance/Carte-USB-Alfa-AWUS036NH-2000mW`
`15:24.22`	`mermouy`	`yep but that's not so imortant more funny than shame...`
`15:24.29`	`mermouy`	`*important`
`15:24.48`	`AlexAnteMachina`	`whats so interesting in this antenna?`
`15:24.48`	`mermouy`	`what do you think aboutthis price?`
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`15:25.11`	`Elive_user29_en`	`kakuk`
`15:25.17`	`mermouy`	`it's wifi card more than antenna it's 2000mw !!!`
`15:25.46`	`mermouy`	`I already have the 500mw version and it really rocks already!`
`15:26.14`	`AlexAnteMachina`	`2000mw is 2w`
`15:26.23`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`<PROTECTED>`
`15:26.45`	`mermouy`	`for example on my netbook it's 20% more distance than the integrated one which is not bad at all`
`15:26.51`	`mermouy`	`:D`
`15:26.53`	`AlexAnteMachina`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc, power is too low and the frequency too`
`15:27.09`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`AlexAnteMachina, Freq the same :)`
`15:27.24`	`mermouy`	`think I can toas with? :D`
`15:27.29`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`Power nearly there :)))`
`15:27.31`	`mermouy`	`*toast`
`15:27.47`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`you can try to make popcorn :)`
`15:28.26`	`mermouy`	`I will trust me :)`
`15:28.35`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`Take look on this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kM89LzdaW8`
`15:28.50`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`gsm popcorn :D`
`15:28.54`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`It is true`
`15:28.55`	`mermouy`	`!!!`
`15:29.12`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`A lot of simular wideos :)`
`15:29.30`	`mermouy`	`I'm scare!!`
`15:29.41`	`mermouy`	`eggs???!!!`
`15:30.02`	`AlexAnteMachina`	`oh, DronAn[BY]_eeepc you are right.`
`15:30.06`	`AlexAnteMachina`	`same frequency`
`15:30.15`	`mermouy`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xz0OapHRqLU&NR=1`
`15:30.25`	`mermouy`	`:D`
`15:30.51`	`mermouy`	`bananas http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puEPl8wPXNE&feature=related`
`15:30.53`	`AlexAnteMachina`	`c'mon DronAn[BY]_eeepc you dont believe that stupid video`
`15:31.19`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`AlexAnteMachina, that why we get some trobels before with Wi-Fi :) Whan lad swith on Microwave oven :)`
`15:31.34`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`mermouy, banana is a joke :)`
`15:31.48`	`mermouy`	`like everything else yes :)`
`15:32.08`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`mermouy, not is not. Popcorn is real`
`15:32.13`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`check it`
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`15:32.50`	`mermouy`	`I will it's amazing and funny how many anti-popcorn or parodic exist`
`15:33.20`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`:)`
`15:34.02`	`mermouy`	`The one with bananas just ends saying "Don't be a sheep, don't believe all what you can see on internet!!"`
`15:34.20`	`mermouy`	`keep the critic spirit...`
`15:34.26`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`ÐÑÑ`
`15:34.28`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`YEs`
`15:34.31`	`mermouy`	`nice`
`15:34.50`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`and on bananas videos, you can see the crack :)`
`15:35.16`	`mermouy`	`frenchies trying http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emw4pfUPsnE&feature=related`
`15:40.48`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsoVEeJg3TY`
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`16:04.59`	`mermouy`	`http://spritely.net/documentation/ sooo nice without flash!`
`16:07.15`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`Oh Yes`
`16:07.22`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`It rulezzz`
`16:07.24`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`:)`
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`16:28.36`	`AlexAnteMachina`	`hey wow.`
`16:28.39`	`AlexAnteMachina`	`that's funny!`
`16:28.47`	`mermouy`	`pretty isn't it?`
`16:28.49`	`AlexAnteMachina`	`the birds following the pointer.`
`16:29.56`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`And no Adobe flash`
`16:32.01`	`AlexAnteMachina`	`http://spritely.net/filipealcada/`
`16:32.16`	`AlexAnteMachina`	`look at this... nice.....but the eyes make me feel scared.`
`16:32.44`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`I'm waiting when html5 will kill adobe flash`
`16:33.09`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`:D`
`16:33.12`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`Scared :)`
`16:33.29`	`mermouy`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc you think so? I hope...`
`16:34.24`	`AlexAnteMachina`	`http://cotoha.info/`
`16:34.28`	`AlexAnteMachina`	`this is for DronAn[BY]_eeepc`
`16:34.42`	`AlexAnteMachina`	`html5 will kill flash?`
`16:34.43`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`Even programming is more easy than flash`
`16:34.46`	`AlexAnteMachina`	`o_O`
`16:34.51`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`AlexAnteMachina, yes it will`
`16:35.07`	`AlexAnteMachina`	`how do you know?`
`16:36.00`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`html 5 can do everything flash can. but it use les cpu, memory. It is easy to create on html5`
`16:36.18`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`And it is open`
`16:36.36`	`AlexAnteMachina`	`w00t!`
`16:36.39`	`AlexAnteMachina`	`YES!`
`16:36.53`	`AlexAnteMachina`	`looking forward!`
`16:41.03`	`mermouy`	`anyone already setted up a local bind server?`
`16:42.10`	`mermouy`	`I wonder if it's efficient?`
`16:42.27`	`mermouy`	`I mean does it make it faster or not?`
`16:44.04`	`AlexAnteMachina`	`doesnt even know bind server`
`16:44.14`	`mermouy`	`it's dns srver`
`16:44.19`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`nice html5 3d canvas http://sebleedelisle.com/demos/canvas3d/canvas3d4.html`
`16:44.26`	`AlexAnteMachina`	`oh okay.`
`16:44.33`	`AlexAnteMachina`	`no im not running one.`
`16:44.37`	`mermouy`	`nice yes`
`16:44.38`	`AlexAnteMachina`	`just using one`
`16:44.50`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`Move mouse in the window :)`
`16:44.52`	`mermouy`	`from ISP you mean?`
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`16:46.21`	`AlexAnteMachina`	`mermouy, my hostename is alexantemachina.homelinux.net`
`16:46.47`	`AlexAnteMachina`	`by dyndns`
`16:46.58`	`mermouy`	`but it goes nowhere`
`16:47.14`	`AlexAnteMachina`	`lol`
`16:47.25`	`mermouy`	`it goes to your machine?`
`16:47.33`	`mermouy`	`at least your ip`
`16:47.45`	`mermouy`	`?`
`16:47.57`	`AlexAnteMachina`	`no web`
`16:48.00`	`AlexAnteMachina`	`but ftp`
`16:48.03`	`AlexAnteMachina`	`:)`
`16:48.12`	`mermouy`	`ok but to your home ?`
`16:48.20`	`AlexAnteMachina`	`yep`
`16:48.26`	`mermouy`	`or on server somewhere?`
`16:48.28`	`mermouy`	`ok`
`16:48.37`	`AlexAnteMachina`	`no my little homeserver`
`16:48.48`	`mermouy`	`yep`
`16:48.58`	`mermouy`	`I use dyndns also`
`16:49.18`	`AlexAnteMachina`	`so what do you need a dns-server on your own?`
`16:49.27`	`mermouy`	`but I'm just wondering because now , at home, I have a linux box running as router`
`16:49.47`	`mermouy`	`it's sempron 3000 1GB ram`
`16:50.22`	`mermouy`	`and it only runs basic system to be router and torrent daemon so it can do very much more`
`16:50.52`	`mermouy`	`I was wondering if setting up my own dns server will speed up my connection?`
`16:51.20`	`mermouy`	`cause it's not so hard to set up`
`16:53.05`	`AlexAnteMachina`	`more speed by dns?`
`16:53.26`	`AlexAnteMachina`	`are you using static IP?`
`16:53.33`	`mermouy`	`do you have something here? http://81.66.171.172:8000`
`16:53.36`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`mermouy, No. And you can not set up your home DNS :)`
`16:53.37`	`mermouy`	`yes`
`16:53.55`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`Because you have to connect it to your provider`
`16:54.24`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`If you want a real dns`
`16:54.30`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`server`
`16:54.59`	`mermouy`	`sure I can! That exactly the point if you run your own you don't even need the ISP ones because your server will directly ask to the main servers`
`16:55.05`	`mermouy`	`http://www.google.com/search?q=bind+own+dns+server&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:fr:unofficial&client=iceweasel-a`
`16:55.31`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`mermouy, no realy.no that easy`
`16:55.38`	`mermouy`	`hmmm`
`16:55.58`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`you have to register your dns server`
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`16:56.38`	`mermouy`	`because i just read this this morning: http://www.vanaryon.tk/2010/02/resolution-dns-faites-la-maison/ if you understand...`
`16:56.47`	`mermouy`	`simple HowTo do that`
`16:56.49`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`So. Buy static Ip, web name and do it :)`
`16:57.29`	`mermouy`	`the italic sentence say it all: pourquoi aller utiliser un fournisseur de rÃ©solution DNS externe (OpenDNS, les DNS de votre FAI, etc...), quand on peut le faire soi-mÃªme ?`
`16:57.50`	`mermouy`	`why using external ones when you can have your`
`16:58.22`	`mermouy`	`It has another interesting point:`
`16:58.27`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`You can startup your dns. But you can't realy connect to global dns servers`
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`16:58.41`	`mermouy`	`No dns log of your ip on your isp dns server`
`16:58.54`	`mermouy`	`I know they see you by other ways but...`
`16:59.31`	`mermouy`	`I know it's kind of multi-mirrors which are all connected together`
`16:59.46`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`to speed up your web surf. You can add Google's DNS addresses`
`17:00.08`	`mermouy`	`So if you're connected to one (I mean anyone) you are connected to main ones in a way...`
`17:00.34`	`mermouy`	`I didn't heard about so good performance with these until now do you?`
`17:01.09`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`mermouy, but if you want your own dns for names in your home network or for ppl who will setup your dns server in configuration, you can do it. yes`
`17:01.46`	`mermouy`	`no I don't need any server here just wondering for experience/test and maybe speed up?`
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`17:02.06`	`mermouy`	`But really it's just ply`
`17:02.12`	`mermouy`	`a play`
`17:02.13`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`:)`
`17:02.24`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`You can play anyway`
`17:02.36`	`mermouy`	`8-)`
`17:03.04`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`And for real speedup, just youse DNS srvers from google`
`17:03.16`	`mermouy`	`do you have something here? http://81.66.171.172:8000`
`17:03.20`	`mermouy`	`please?`
`17:03.25`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`thay said it is realy speed up serfing`
`17:03.39`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`mermouy, no. nothing`
`17:03.52`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`Oh stop`
`17:03.56`	`mermouy`	`so i have a prob with router...`
`17:04.00`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`it is not so fast`
`17:04.07`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`ok`
`17:04.11`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`i got some`
`17:04.22`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`1981.french.xViD.avi`
`17:04.22`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`2012.FRENCH.BDRiP.XviD-SURViVAL/`
`17:04.22`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`A Bittersweet Life DVDRip VOSTFR XviD.avi`
`17:04.22`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`DieudonneÐÐ - Sandrine.avi`
`17:04.24`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`Yes`
`17:04.36`	`mermouy`	`whouou!! :-D`
`17:04.41`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`Yeap`
`17:04.43`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`<PROTECTED>`
`17:05.01`	`mermouy`	`it's just a thunar action selfmade`
`17:05.16`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`What action?`
`17:05.29`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`to share via the web?`
`17:05.40`	`mermouy`	`yep`
`17:05.49`	`mermouy`	`http://81.66.171.172:8001`
`17:05.57`	`mermouy`	`and that one for upload`
`17:06.16`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`:)`
`17:06.18`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`Wah`
`17:06.35`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`You have to explain it on forum :)`
`17:07.01`	`AlexAnteMachina`	`humm... smb-share, mermouy ?`
`17:08.59`	`AlexAnteMachina`	`mermouy, now lets see`
`17:09.02`	`mermouy`	`I have ppl here sorry i come back in few minutes sure i can share it`
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`17:11.32`	`mermouy`	`smb-share over internet? hmm I don't want to run it everytime and everyday it's more an alternative to share via chat like we're doing right now`
`17:11.48`	`mermouy`	`simply and quicly`
`17:12.03`	`mermouy`	`by right click share over internet`
`17:12.20`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`nice`
`17:12.34`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`is that apache server?`
`17:12.38`	`AlexAnteMachina`	`mermouy, what port is that using by default?`
`17:12.41`	`AlexAnteMachina`	`8000?`
`17:12.42`	`mermouy`	`then it put a notification icon in your tray and run the service until you click on that tray icon`
`17:12.59`	`mermouy`	`it ask you for the port you want to use`
`17:13.07`	`mermouy`	`and propose 8000 as default`
`17:13.28`	`AlexAnteMachina`	`well.... check wether there is anything incoming from me`
`17:13.36`	`AlexAnteMachina`	`i doubt.`
`17:13.36`	`mermouy`	`it will need to be rewritten for multilang support maybe`
`17:13.47`	`mermouy`	`I just stop it`
`17:14.23`	`AlexAnteMachina`	`humm?`
`17:14.25`	`mermouy`	`it use python function to run the small server`
`17:14.27`	`AlexAnteMachina`	`you stopped it?`
`17:14.37`	`mermouy`	`yep it was just to show you`
`17:14.40`	`AlexAnteMachina`	`i doubt it ever worked`
`17:14.46`	`mermouy`	`hmm`
`17:14.52`	`AlexAnteMachina`	`i bet my firewall blocks 8000`
`17:14.56`	`mermouy`	`the upload one?`
`17:15.04`	`mermouy`	`oh ok`
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`17:15.16`	`mermouy`	`strange it's a usual port`
`17:15.35`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`Wah :)`
`17:15.40`	`AlexAnteMachina`	`a usual port? what for?`
`17:15.58`	`mermouy`	`it's an usual port to replace 80 for web server`
`17:16.06`	`AlexAnteMachina`	`...and by the way i dont find that rightclick-share-over-inet thing`
`17:16.52`	`mermouy`	`I need it to share via msn and shits like that wich are very painful with linux firewalls`
`17:17.25`	`AlexAnteMachina`	`lol... i hate these fucking "share" or "tranfer" options in messengers.`
`17:17.34`	`AlexAnteMachina`	`its pure shit.`
`17:17.44`	`AlexAnteMachina`	`drilling holes in every system.`
`17:17.49`	`AlexAnteMachina`	`what for?`
`17:18.37`	`AlexAnteMachina`	`better getting some simple ftp-server`
`17:19.01`	`AlexAnteMachina`	`its old, yes. but reliable, tested.`
`17:19.47`	`AlexAnteMachina`	`and if one is scared cause of security: just run it when needed.`
`17:20.54`	`mermouy`	`so it's exactly same result exept that right-click what so ugly?`
`17:21.04`	`AlexAnteMachina`	`huh?`
`17:21.13`	`AlexAnteMachina`	`what right click thing r u talking about?`
`17:21.17`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`mermouy, your tool is amazing :)`
`17:21.34`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`AlexAnteMachina, it is better than ftp`
`17:21.48`	`AlexAnteMachina`	`WHAT is better then ftp?`
`17:21.48`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`*then`
`17:22.00`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`His share tool`
`17:22.08`	`AlexAnteMachina`	`what tool?`
`17:22.28`	`mermouy`	`I agrre about security homes that's why I wanted also something I can close with a click..`
`17:22.42`	`AlexAnteMachina`	`does it have any name? that tool?`
`17:22.42`	`mermouy`	`It's not really a tool more just zenity script`
`17:22.51`	`mermouy`	`no :D`
`17:23.01`	`AlexAnteMachina`	`is it available somewhere?`
`17:23.06`	`AlexAnteMachina`	`to test it?`
`17:23.16`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`:D`
`17:23.18`	`mermouy`	`it's just a script oh yes the upload one is droopy`
`17:23.50`	`mermouy`	`http://stackp.online.fr/?p=28`
`17:25.11`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`And it is only Upload server?`
`17:25.40`	`AlexAnteMachina`	`aint that sufficient, DronAn[BY]_eeepc ?`
`17:25.55`	`AlexAnteMachina`	`well, mermouy i know droopy`
`17:26.20`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`AlexAnteMachina, but yhere was just server with files.`
`17:26.25`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`*There`
`17:26.48`	`AlexAnteMachina`	`i wonder why you tell me about droopy when i was asking for your "share-with-rightclick-tool"`
`17:26.58`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`They was easy shared to the internet by right-click`
`17:27.28`	`AlexAnteMachina`	`as i said: 8000 is blocked here.`
`17:27.30`	`AlexAnteMachina`	`:)`
`17:27.32`	`AlexAnteMachina`	`nice.`
`17:27.53`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`I think he was about to rebuild script`
`17:28.11`	`AlexAnteMachina`	`well, i dont know what he's doing at all.`
`17:28.14`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`And use 8000 to share and 8001 to upload files`
`17:28.20`	`AlexAnteMachina`	`but i know what i'm doing.`
`17:28.26`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`)`
`17:28.28`	`AlexAnteMachina`	`I'm going for a walk with my dog now.`
`17:28.33`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`:D`
`17:28.38`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`Good luck`
`17:28.40`	`AlexAnteMachina`	`c u`
`17:28.42`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`:)`
`17:28.49`	`AlexAnteMachina`	`luck isnt necessary here`
`17:29.09`	`AlexAnteMachina`	`but thanks anyway.`
`17:29.10`	`AlexAnteMachina`	`:)`
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`17:30.45`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`:)`
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`17:58.40`	`AlexAnteMachina`	`seems like mermouy hasnt explained his right-click-miracle yet`
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`18:10.56`	`elmo40`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc: ok, so let me get this straight... even though it is Ubuntu and they put things in different locations, hardy works well with lenny?`
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`18:12.34`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`elmo40, you are missunderstand :)`
`18:12.48`	`elmo40`	`well, you listed off the lenny and hardy repo`
`18:12.54`	`elmo40`	`is that both in your sources.list?`
`18:13.06`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`It is not Main repo`
`18:13.23`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`It is just programm's repo hardy`
`18:13.33`	`osc`	`heh`
`18:13.41`	`osc`	`i was laughing at this earlier`
`18:13.46`	`osc`	`wondered if it works`
`18:13.48`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`hardy is using same versions of packets as lenny`
`18:14.40`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`Never add a different distro's repositories`
`18:14.50`	`elmo40`	`:P`
`18:17.30`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`Clear now?`
`18:17.33`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`:D`
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`18:26.28`	`elmo40`	`as mud`
`18:28.59`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`No. Realy?`
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`19:10.39`	`Elive_user43_es`	`como instalo elive`
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`19:26.25`	`Elive_user46_en`	`hey`
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`19:27.07`	`Elive_user46_en`	`If I want to install Elive on multiple machines, do I have to pay for all the modules?`
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`19:28.14`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`Yes`
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`19:28.30`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`But where you want to install it?`
`19:28.37`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`On home computer?`
`19:29.01`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`1 installer file for 1 only computer`
`19:29.23`	`DronAn[BY]_eeepc`	`But you can reinstall it as many as you wish :)`
`19:35.38`	`Elive_user46_en`	`I am wondering whether compiz version still exists`
`19:35.43`	`Elive_user46_en`	`I cannot donwload it`
`19:39.07`	`KuliX_`	`Elive_user46_en, just use the latest version, 2.0 Topaz , and enable the ecomorph module`
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`20:25.16`	`KuliX_`	`by`
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`21:26.20`	`Elive_user58_de`	`hi`
`21:26.38`	`Elive_user58_de`	`is there any way to pay without paypal account?`
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`21:29.02`	`Elive_user58_de`	`Thanatermesis, is there any way to pay without paypal account?`
`21:33.07`	`Elive_user58_de`	`is anybody alive in here?`
`21:34.28`	`mermouy`	`Yes but I really don't know`
`21:34.47`	`Elive_user58_de`	`holy crap!`
`21:35.55`	`Elive_user58_de`	`What weird mind has developed that stupid system? Is there any relation between elive and paypal?`
`21:37.59`	`Elive_user58_de`	`Is there anybody in charge here?`
`21:38.49`	`mermouy`	`No but I'm pretty sure you can pay without any pahypal account`
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`21:40.06`	`Elive_user58_de`	`Creditcard or Paypal`
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`21:40.30`	`mermouy`	`yes minimum requirement is a credit card`
`21:40.42`	`Elive_user58_de`	`:(`
`21:40.52`	`Elive_user58_de`	`has no creditcard`
`21:41.14`	`mermouy`	`... So yes it's a pity`
`21:42.12`	`Elive_user58_de`	`humm... anyway. maybe I'll get an paypal account. I realized it's possible to pay stuff at ebays with it, too.`
`21:42.37`	`mermouy`	`yes paypal is main ebay partner`
`21:42.41`	`Elive_user58_de`	`So i dont create it for single use.`
`21:43.06`	`Elive_user58_de`	`but that takes some days.`
`21:43.08`	`mermouy`	`it's cost 1.5â¬ if remember well`
`21:43.16`	`Elive_user58_de`	`humm?`
`21:43.21`	`Elive_user58_de`	`no its free`
`21:43.36`	`Elive_user58_de`	`anyway..... i#ll be back`
`21:43.45`	`Elive_user58_de`	`in a few days`
`21:43.47`	`mermouy`	`there is two kind (at least) of accounts`
`21:44.03`	`mermouy`	`okk`
`21:44.12`	`mermouy`	`alwals a pleasure...`
`21:45.53`	`mermouy`	`Is Nvidia-settings the only solution to enable a second screen with that brand card??`
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`21:48.56`	`mermouy`	`AlexAnteMachina want this share thing?`
`21:49.04`	`AlexAnteMachina`	`hi mermouy`
`21:49.11`	`AlexAnteMachina`	`yep, tell me about it`
`21:49.56`	`mermouy`	`better is to have a look at it really it's as simple as a zenity and bit of bash script`
`21:50.28`	`mermouy`	`maybe we can work on it? to make it better and at least multilang`
`21:51.22`	`mermouy`	`I look for original one I'm with a totallty fresh Elive install, so I don't have my places`
`21:53.51`	`mermouy`	`http://81.66.171.172:8000`
`21:54.26`	`mermouy`	`Do you know if I can change the background color of the systray?`
`21:55.17`	`AlexAnteMachina`	`no i dont`
`21:55.18`	`mermouy`	`I made an archive put everything in your /usr/local/bin exept uca.xml which is the Thunar conf`
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`21:55.37`	`AlexAnteMachina`	`cant dl it`
`21:55.47`	`Elive_user86_cs`	`hi`
`21:55.48`	`mermouy`	`or create the rule yourself if you have already some of yours`
`21:55.54`	`AlexAnteMachina`	`might be caused by blocking port 8000`
`21:55.56`	`mermouy`	`? why?`
`21:56.04`	`AlexAnteMachina`	`hi Elive_user86_cs`
`21:56.07`	`mermouy`	`doesn't start?`
`21:56.19`	`AlexAnteMachina`	`starts, yes.`
`21:56.20`	`mermouy`	`Elive_user86_cs Hi`
`21:56.23`	`Elive_user86_cs`	`kontrola: mluvi nekdo cesky?`
`21:56.26`	`AlexAnteMachina`	`but wont transfer.`
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`21:56.40`	`mermouy`	`sorry nits`
`21:56.48`	`AlexAnteMachina`	`Elive_user86_cs, jenom trosicku`
`21:57.00`	`mermouy`	`mojna lepsi slovo...`
`21:57.37`	`mermouy`	`oupps already gone...`
`21:58.09`	`mermouy`	`so you have it?`
`21:58.14`	`Elive_user86_cs`	`i have problem :)`
`21:58.26`	`mermouy`	`yes what kind?`
`21:58.38`	`mermouy`	`what problem?`
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`22:00.50`	`Elive_user86_cs`	`Elive is below normal user slow but not the root`
`22:01.11`	`AlexAnteMachina`	`mermouy, could you change the port to 80?`
`22:01.12`	`mermouy`	`Elive_user86_cs to talk maybe you can use http://translate.google.com if you have problem with english`
`22:01.18`	`mermouy`	`yes`
`22:01.42`	`mermouy`	`?? that sounds strange true`
`22:02.11`	`Elive_user86_cs`	`i try`
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`22:02.29`	`mermouy`	`can you test with creating a new user and start a session with that newly created user to see if it change something`
`22:02.38`	`mermouy`	`maybe`
`22:03.34`	`mermouy`	`AlexAnteMachina just try it! You will see`
`22:03.52`	`mermouy`	`Hi smoke was a long time :)`
`22:05.20`	`smoke_cz`	`I log on as smoke = elive is slow`
`22:05.33`	`smoke_cz`	`I log on as root = elive is quick`
`22:05.57`	`mermouy`	`yes try to create a new user and see what happen`
`22:06.20`	`AlexAnteMachina`	`sounds as if some hughe file gets loaded`
`22:06.51`	`mermouy`	`I mean by right click=>admin=>user manager`
`22:07.01`	`smoke_cz`	`No, I already tried`
`22:07.17`	`mermouy`	`<AlexAnteMachina> you mean still not have the file?`
`22:07.26`	`mermouy`	`hmmm`
`22:07.26`	`AlexAnteMachina`	`no it isnt working`
`22:07.47`	`AlexAnteMachina`	`you could send it by email`
`22:07.47`	`mermouy`	`Something block it so firewall for sure!!!`
`22:07.51`	`mermouy`	`yep`
`22:08.14`	`AlexAnteMachina`	`or i'll create a user-account on my server especially for you`
`22:08.52`	`mermouy`	`for now mail maybe easier?`
`22:10.38`	`smoke_cz`	`I'll be back - mnt`
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`22:12.47`	`smoke_cz`	`errors in your system are detected`
`22:13.10`	`mermouy`	`where?`
`22:13.12`	`smoke_cz`	`only log on as smoke`
`22:13.18`	`mermouy`	`you see that where?`
`22:13.31`	`mermouy`	`in console screen?`
`22:13.35`	`smoke_cz`	`elive notification`
`22:14.21`	`dronan`	`smoke_cz: run Nurse Mode from boot time`
`22:14.27`	`dronan`	`And try fix it`
`22:14.42`	`mermouy`	`yes`
`22:14.53`	`mermouy`	`maybe fsck errors?`
`22:15.08`	`dronan`	`smoke_cz: Or create a new user and login in it`
`22:17.15`	`smoke_cz`	`alt tab between windows takes a long time`
`22:17.53`	`smoke_cz`	`...open the menu also`
`22:18.47`	`dronan`	`smoke_cz: Or create a new user and login in it`
`22:18.55`	`dronan`	`smoke_cz: run Nurse Mode from boot time`
`22:19.28`	`dronan`	`You have 2 options`
`22:19.53`	`smoke_cz`	`new user is same error`
`22:20.11`	`smoke_cz`	`what is nurse mode?`
`22:20.16`	`smoke_cz`	`reparation?`
`22:20.25`	`dronan`	`Have you create a new user?`
`22:20.38`	`dronan`	`smoke_cz: Yes it is reparation`
`22:20.52`	`dronan`	`And what formatting you have?`
`22:21.11`	`dronan`	`How did you format your HDD?`
`22:21.20`	`dronan`	`I just wandering`
`22:21.46`	`smoke_cz`	`None of this helped me`
`22:21.55`	`dronan`	`?`
`22:22.47`	`smoke_cz`	`nothing of this helped me - new install, format, nurse mode, add new user`
`22:22.50`	`mermouy`	`yes nurse mode is special boot mode to repair`
`22:23.17`	`mermouy`	`??? really strage and no problem with other linux?`
`22:23.57`	`mermouy`	`what graphic card do you have? maybe a problem with drivers?`
`22:24.51`	`dronan`	`smoke_cz: Have you chose reiser4 for your partitions?`
`22:25.17`	`dronan`	`but it is no realy related`
`22:25.53`	`smoke_cz`	`Elive before I used the debian and xfce - no problem`
`22:26.27`	`smoke_cz`	`notebook hp 6710b`
`22:26.42`	`mermouy`	`so intel graphics right?`
`22:26.45`	`dronan`	`smoke_cz: Have you enabled Ecomorph?`
`22:27.13`	`dronan`	`Oh. He wont answer the questions :(`
`22:28.02`	`smoke_cz`	`ecomorph is disable`
`22:28.08`	`dronan`	`Ok`
`22:28.27`	`dronan`	`smoke_cz: Have you chose reiser4 for your partitions? Just want no know...`
`22:28.39`	`smoke_cz`	`graphics card is GM965`
`22:29.09`	`dronan`	`mermouy: Is it works for root he said?`
`22:29.15`	`smoke_cz`	`/dev/sda1 on / type ext4`
`22:29.32`	`smoke_cz`	`but befory i have ext3`
`22:29.35`	`dronan`	`smoke_cz: so. ok.`
`22:29.35`	`mermouy`	`yes`
`22:29.39`	`smoke_cz`	`*before`
`22:29.48`	`dronan`	`and it is very strange`
`22:31.03`	`smoke_cz`	`slow - i log in as root - mnt`
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`22:32.21`	`smoke_cz`	`better`
`22:32.38`	`dronan`	`not slow now?`
`22:33.15`	`smoke_cz`	`not slow now - yes`
`22:33.30`	`smoke_cz`	`login = root`
`22:34.31`	`dronan`	`strange`
`22:35.07`	`smoke_cz`	`i tried install: elive_2.0_Topaz_new-kernel_up001.iso and up002`
`22:35.40`	`dronan`	`and all the same?`
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`22:36.09`	`smoke_cz`	`yes`
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`22:36.28`	`dronan`	`jpstudio1: hello`
`22:36.44`	`jpstudio1`	`hola`
`22:36.52`	`jpstudio1`	`hello`
`22:37.03`	`smoke_cz`	`I'd have no idea`
`22:37.04`	`dronan`	`smoke_cz: Look. try contact to Thanatermesis here or thue email.`
`22:38.16`	`smoke_cz`	`volunteer for translation. :)`
`22:38.29`	`dronan`	`Nice.`
`22:38.36`	`dronan`	`:)`
`22:38.40`	`dronan`	`Thanatermesis: ping`
`22:38.56`	`jpstudio1`	`what language ?`
`22:39.03`	`smoke_cz`	`czech :)`
`22:39.21`	`jpstudio1`	`haha`
`22:39.35`	`dronan`	`jpstudio1: why?`
`22:39.38`	`smoke_cz`	`i don't work ask root :)`
`22:39.49`	`dronan`	`That is ok`
`22:39.55`	`jpstudio1`	`because i only speak spanish`
`22:40.01`	`dronan`	`Because in Korea they do :)`
`22:40.20`	`dronan`	`On their Red Star OS :)`
`22:40.37`	`dronan`	`*North Korea`
`22:41.09`	`dronan`	`jpstudio1: can't be :)`
`22:41.22`	`dronan`	`What about english? ;)`
`22:41.46`	`jpstudio1`	`a few`
`22:42.35`	`jpstudio1`	`even i would like`
`22:42.47`	`jpstudio1`	`i can learn`
`22:44.44`	`smoke_cz`	`Hi, sorry for my English. I have a problem with Elive. After logging in as user "smoke" is a very slow overall operation. But if I log in as user "root" is all right. Reinstalling and even create a new user does not help.`
`22:44.53`	`smoke_cz`	`good? :)`
`22:45.36`	`jpstudio1`	`never happend to my`
`22:46.01`	`jpstudio1`	`can you try top in konsole ?`
`22:46.13`	`jpstudio1`	`waht process are to high ?`
`22:47.31`	`tejota`	`gnite`
`22:47.35`	`smoke_cz`	`3441 root 20 0 353m 23m 4864 S 1 1.2 7:36.12 Xorg`
`22:47.53`	`dronan`	`Hi, sorry for my English. I have a problem with Elive. After logging in as user "smoke" system is very slow overall operation. But if I login as "root" is all right everything work as it should be. Create a new user or even reinstalling does not help.`
`22:48.11`	`smoke_cz`	`Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T7500 @ 2.20GHz`
`22:48.23`	`dronan`	`Hi, sorry for my English. I have a problem with Elive 2.0 Topaz. After logging in as user "smoke" system is very slow overall operation. But if I login as "root" is all right everything work as it should be. Create a new user or even reinstalling does not help.`
`22:48.41`	`smoke_cz`	`dronan, thx :)`
`22:49.17`	`jpstudio1`	`slow with this machine ?`
`22:49.34`	`dronan`	`somethink like this. Thana is not here now. So send it to him with email`
`22:49.56`	`dronan`	`jpstudio1: Only in regular user login`
`22:50.27`	`dronan`	`*something`
`22:50.47`	`jpstudio1`	`kill the graphic`
`22:51.05`	`jpstudio1`	`only in text mode run comand top`
`22:51.16`	`dronan`	`smoke_cz: Is it work fine in Live mode?`
`22:51.17`	`jpstudio1`	`and look waht happends`
`22:51.50`	`jpstudio1`	`kind of graphics card ?`
`22:52.02`	`dronan`	`Intel`
`22:52.18`	`dronan`	`It is work :) But only for root :)))`
`22:52.50`	`dronan`	`i do not think it is systemload problem`
`22:52.58`	`dronan`	`But maybe.`
`22:53.20`	`dronan`	`smoke_cz: What is TOP command showing?`
`22:53.55`	`jpstudio1`	`the process in your sistem`
`22:54.15`	`dronan`	`I know :) I ask what is he see :)`
`22:54.21`	`jpstudio1`	`and you can see what process is too high`
`22:54.27`	`dronan`	`Any high loads?`
`22:54.32`	`jpstudio1`	`yes`
`22:54.38`	`jpstudio1`	`even xorg`
`22:54.39`	`dronan`	`oh :D`
`22:55.03`	`dronan`	`I know what do top do :)`
`22:55.27`	`dronan`	`It was questing to smoke_cz`
`22:55.43`	`smoke_cz`	`any high loads`
`22:55.51`	`dronan`	`but what?`
`22:55.59`	`dronan`	`any 100%`
`22:56.00`	`dronan`	`?`
`22:56.11`	`dronan`	`em`
`22:56.19`	`dronan`	`Not from root`
`22:56.30`	`dronan`	`Login as smoke and do top`
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`22:57.59`	`smoke_cz`	`mnt switch user`
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`23:05.50`	`smoke_cz`	`http://rokyta.cz/~smoke/elive/htop-smoke.png`
`23:06.03`	`smoke_cz`	`http://rokyta.cz/~smoke/elive/htop-root.png`
`23:07.25`	`smoke_cz`	`alive somebody? :)`
`23:07.37`	`dronan`	`yes`
`23:07.42`	`jpstudio1`	`yes`
`23:07.52`	`dronan`	`i just wait my internet :)`
`23:08.02`	`dronan`	`to see screens`
`23:09.03`	`mermouy`	`more & more strange...`
`23:09.33`	`mermouy`	`and nurse mode doesn't do anything?`
`23:10.30`	`smoke_cz`	`anything`
`23:10.55`	`mermouy`	`it even not say where the problem come from?`
`23:12.01`	`jpstudio1`	`cant see anything`
`23:12.34`	`dronan`	`smoke_cz: do you share your /home/ dir with the others distros?`
`23:14.01`	`smoke_cz`	`yes, but mv /other/place and create new /home/smoke`
`23:14.17`	`dronan`	`stop`
`23:14.34`	`smoke_cz`	`?`
`23:14.43`	`dronan`	`it was /home before? And you use it?`
`23:14.45`	`dronan`	`Or`
`23:15.21`	`dronan`	`Or it (home dir) was created by installer?`
`23:16.25`	`dronan`	`And :) Elive included screenshot tool :) Just press Prt Sc ;)`
`23:17.02`	`smoke_cz`	`first - was old home (create debian lenny)`
`23:18.03`	`smoke_cz`	`now but i create new home (new partitions)`
`23:18.18`	`dronan`	`And where is old gone?`
`23:18.34`	`dronan`	`I think it can try use an oldone`
`23:19.23`	`smoke_cz`	`/dev/sda1 on / type ext4 (/ and /home) now`
`23:19.44`	`smoke_cz`	`/dev/sda2 on /mnt/sda2 type ext3 (old /home)`
`23:20.04`	`dronan`	`huh try check old`
`23:20.18`	`dronan`	`Maybe there is half of Elive configs?`
`23:20.20`	`dronan`	`Look`
`23:20.39`	`dronan`	`On screen i can see alooooot of zombie proceses`
`23:20.41`	`dronan`	`:(`
`23:21.24`	`dronan`	`i'm 90% shure. It is mess with /home`
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`23:22.30`	`mermouy`	`Anyone know where I can look for an easy router configuration?`
`23:22.48`	`dronan`	`oO`
`23:23.12`	`dronan`	`router or comuter router?`
`23:23.24`	`dronan`	`*computer`
`23:23.31`	`mermouy`	`linux box which is router is that the question?`
`23:23.46`	`mermouy`	`so yes computer router`
`23:23.47`	`dronan`	`it is not embeded?`
`23:23.49`	`smoke_cz`	`dronan, Thank you - I'm going to play with /home`
`23:23.51`	`mermouy`	`no`
`23:24.09`	`mermouy`	`it's a classic debian install`
`23:24.22`	`mermouy`	`with dnsmasq`
`23:24.30`	`dronan`	`oh`
`23:24.46`	`mermouy`	`I have problem to redirect ports`
`23:24.49`	`dronan`	`iptables :)`
`23:24.58`	`mermouy`	`you like for p2p redirect`
`23:25.05`	`mermouy`	`yes`
`23:25.06`	`smoke_cz`	`iptables is better :)`
`23:25.26`	`mermouy`	`This is not the same!`
`23:25.33`	`smoke_cz`	`dnsmasq is good for openwrt`
`23:25.44`	`mermouy`	`one is for dns and dhcp and iptables for firewall/nat`
`23:25.52`	`mermouy`	`no?`
`23:26.07`	`dronan`	`iptables do port forwarding`
`23:26.29`	`mermouy`	`yes I know but not dns and dhcp`
`23:26.35`	`dronan`	`No`
`23:26.36`	`dronan`	`not`
`23:27.48`	`mermouy`	`and the more because my computer router is behind wifi I don't have static IP for main interface so I need dynamic dns update which is offered by dnsmasq`
`23:28.02`	`smoke_cz`	`bye`
`23:28.06`	`mermouy`	`ciao`
`23:28.11`	`dronan`	`bye`
`23:28.24`	`smoke_cz`	`and thx`
`23:29.10`	`dronan`	`mermouy: em. If use some tool fron dyndns or kinde?`
`23:29.18`	`dronan`	`*from`
`23:29.44`	`mermouy`	`you mean without ISP dns?`
`23:30.18`	`dronan`	`just look at dyndns service in internet`
`23:30.51`	`mermouy`	`I mean because it's not always the same ISP I need dynamic update of dns you follow me ;)`
`23:30.53`	`dronan`	`Main thing is to free register of name`
`23:31.31`	`dronan`	`What dns?`
`23:31.40`	`dronan`	`Why you need dns at all?`
`23:31.51`	`mermouy`	`ok let's take it from the beginning:`
`23:31.52`	`dronan`	`what are you doing with your dns?`
`23:32.25`	`mermouy`	`I take internet connection from some neighbours,`
`23:32.33`	`dronan`	`Yes`
`23:32.37`	`mermouy`	`so I don't have always the same ISP`
`23:32.42`	`dronan`	`Yes`
`23:32.52`	`mermouy`	`so I don't have the same dns provider...`
`23:32.59`	`dronan`	`Oo`
`23:33.01`	`dronan`	`why?`
`23:33.11`	`dronan`	`dns is always the same`
`23:33.28`	`mermouy`	`Ok it can be with some like opendns or google`
`23:33.38`	`dronan`	`from same provider`
`23:33.49`	`mermouy`	`but i take conections with dhcp so it give dns server aresses from`
`23:34.05`	`dronan`	`Look.`
`23:34.28`	`dronan`	`Your neighbours ÒÆÍÕ Æ ÃÛ-ÁÛ ËÝÇÅÕË`
`23:34.45`	`dronan`	`Your neighbours have Wi-Fi router`
`23:34.50`	`mermouy`	`ok so you read 10 lines before... :)`
`23:34.57`	`mermouy`	`yep`
`23:35.02`	`dronan`	`Have they?`
`23:35.04`	`dronan`	`Ok`
`23:35.10`	`mermouy`	`France is nice for their ISP`
`23:35.14`	`mermouy`	`:)`
`23:35.24`	`mermouy`	`Each ISP give wifi routers`
`23:35.32`	`dronan`	`Every Wi-Fi routers have a tool to connect to dyndns services`
`23:35.42`	`dronan`	`So`
`23:35.48`	`mermouy`	`BUT I DON4T NEED AN ADRESS`
`23:35.57`	`mermouy`	`I:)`
`23:36.03`	`dronan`	`you do not need name?`
`23:36.14`	`dronan`	`or addres?`
`23:36.24`	`dronan`	`*adress`
`23:36.26`	`mermouy`	`I need only to say my computer router to redirect port 8000 to my personal box`
`23:36.52`	`dronan`	`It is second thing`
`23:37.10`	`mermouy`	`I've already redirected the wifi router one but I don't know how to do the same on a linu...`
`23:37.18`	`dronan`	`it is not dnsmsq`
`23:37.30`	`dronan`	`it is just port forwarding :)`
`23:38.06`	`mermouy`	`yes it's about iptables`
`23:38.35`	`mermouy`	`just talk about dnsmasq to explain how it is configured`
`23:38.49`	`dronan`	`:)`
`23:39.05`	`mermouy`	`so I ask better: Do you know about iptables rules to make port forwarding?`
`23:39.34`	`dronan`	`I know 1 very good programm to do it :)`
`23:39.40`	`mermouy`	`think he need to learn how to talk in a simplier way`
`23:39.48`	`mermouy`	`yes?????`
`23:40.02`	`mermouy`	`don't say iptables or I KILL YOU`
`23:40.18`	`dronan`	`:) + iptables :)`
`23:40.23`	`dronan`	`wait 1 min`
`23:40.27`	`mermouy`	`>:o`
`23:40.31`	`mermouy`	`yep`
`23:41.41`	`dronan`	`http://vuurmuur.org`
`23:42.39`	`dronan`	`There we go :)`
`23:42.56`	`mermouy`	`YES`
`23:43.02`	`mermouy`	`looks nice`
`23:43.11`	`dronan`	`http://vuurmuur.org/trac/wiki/Rules`
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