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| 02:56.05 | vineman | Anyone know how to edit the application menu in topaz? |
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| 04:41.22 | vineman | Anyone know how to edit the e17 application menu in topaz? |
| 04:42.06 | gwildor | there is a menu editor...somewhere... |
| 04:42.47 | gwildor | http://wiki.enlightenment.org/index.php/E17_and_Efreet |
| 04:43.58 | vineman | Thanks gwildor, I'll take a look. I can't find the editor anywhere! |
| 04:48.07 | gwildor | 'the debian way' shoul help |
| 04:54.45 | vineman | I was hoping for a graphical one, but that will get me out of trouble. |
| 04:55.10 | vineman | E16 editor was entangle if I remember correctly |
| 04:55.31 | gwildor | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:56.36 | vineman | Seems weird, I can find editors for the i-bar and others, but none for applications |
| 05:05.53 | vineman | gwildor it is using debian menu |
| 05:06.04 | vineman | There is a graphical editor called alacarte |
| 05:06.17 | vineman | thanks for pointing me in the right direction! |
| 05:06.23 | gwildor | dances |
| 05:07.08 | gwildor | i never edit my menu's when they are auto generated&updated |
| 05:08.33 | vineman | I had some entries added by a wine app installation that I wanted to get rid of |
| 05:09.38 | vineman | and . . . |
| 05:09.54 | vineman | I just restarted e and the entries are still there |
| 05:11.02 | vineman | Might be easier to just put up with them! |
| 05:12.54 | elmo40 | moo? |
| 05:13.31 | elmo40 | you should be able to edit them in the Configurations menu option |
| 05:13.33 | elmo40 | or similar... |
| 05:13.49 | elmo40 | the same way you edit the Doc you can edit the menu items |
| 05:14.04 | elmo40 | even the Favorites (right-click) is easily editable |
| 05:16.42 | vineman | elmo40 I can edit the favorites and I-bar, but cant find an editor for application menus |
| 05:17.37 | vineman | My settings panel menu tab has favorites, menu setting and client menu list only |
| 05:18.39 | vineman | My googling says entangle is the e17 menu editor, but it does not seem to be in elive topaz repository |
| 05:19.42 | elmo40 | Elive uses the Debian repo. if it isn't in either of them then this version of E17 didn't have one. |
| 05:19.58 | keyra | elmo40: Debian is the SH%$T my friend ! |
| 05:20.01 | elmo40 | E17 is an odd machine... the next version might not work with anything you currently have! |
| 05:22.16 | vineman | Know anything about icedove? |
| 05:22.30 | vineman | I'm getting incorrect timestamps on my emails |
| 05:22.47 | vineman | the machine locale is set correctly (australia) |
| 05:23.36 | vineman | I've set icedoves general.useragent.locale to en_AU |
| 05:23.42 | vineman | it was set to en_US |
| 05:24.11 | vineman | Now I'm 12 hours out, rather the gmt timestamps I had before |
| 05:25.29 | vineman | I could move, but that is a bit drastic. |
| 05:25.39 | elmo40 | :P |
| 05:25.48 | elmo40 | moving would be easier then editing the time in Linux :/ |
| 05:26.15 | vineman | I'll never forget a windows sysadmin asking me how to set the time in linux |
| 05:26.21 | vineman | I said "date" |
| 05:26.28 | elmo40 | have you set the time to the national time server? |
| 05:26.51 | elmo40 | then restart X ? |
| 05:27.13 | vineman | yes I use ntpdate to sync. System clock is set to local time cos sometimes I have to use xp |
| 05:27.28 | vineman | unix time is good |
| 05:27.36 | vineman | I mean correct |
| 05:30.26 | vineman | Ok, getting somewhere here |
| 05:30.44 | vineman | my etc/timezone is set to Australia/Sydney |
| 05:31.21 | vineman | but when I enter date at the command line, my timezone is EDT |
| 05:31.38 | vineman | which is gmt - 4 |
| 05:31.45 | vineman | that would explain the offset |
| 05:32.23 | gwildor | EDT is eastern? |
| 05:32.32 | gwildor | eastern is -5 |
| 05:32.32 | elmo40 | eastern daylight time |
| 05:32.59 | gwildor | detroit is eastern, ....detroit is -5 |
| 05:33.13 | vineman | My date time applet is correct - Aus/sydney |
| 05:33.38 | elmo40 | sydney is +10? |
| 05:33.47 | vineman | correct |
| 05:33.56 | vineman | someone has not told the kernel! |
| 05:33.57 | gwildor | sydny is...toilets flush backaards |
| 05:34.04 | elmo40 | ;) |
| 05:34.27 | elmo40 | sydney is... drive on wrong side of road |
| 05:34.48 | gwildor | man, sydney is effed up. |
| 05:34.51 | vineman | It is the right side, but that is the left side |
| 05:35.00 | gwildor | LETS ALL MOVE TO SYDNEY! |
| 05:35.18 | vineman | Used to live there, but moved to the country now |
| 05:35.33 | gwildor | wish i could say that. |
| 05:35.45 | gwildor | but instead of 'the country'....'different country' |
| 05:36.09 | vineman | big move |
| 05:37.02 | elmo40 | and here is the fcuked up part about time zones.. http://qurl.org/lz0 Red - never used Daylight Savings. Orange - No more Daylight Savings. Blue - Observes Daylight Savings... so lame. |
| 05:37.54 | vineman | And they change our daylight savings start/finish regularly |
| 05:38.37 | elmo40 | also lame |
| 05:39.04 | vineman | at high latitiudes it works well |
| 05:39.19 | vineman | but top of australia in near the equator |
| 05:40.19 | vineman | we also have a timezone for south australia that is gmt +9 1/2 rather than gmt +9 because they trade with the eastern states |
| 05:40.50 | gwildor | listen to all this intelligent babble regarding daylight savings. |
| 05:41.06 | gwildor | i thought just some guy in a white housse picks numbers out of a hat, and thats what it is. |
| 05:41.09 | elmo40 | nice map of time zones: http://qurl.org/mz0 |
| 05:41.31 | gwildor | i have always wondered....whats its like to live right on the border of a time zone... |
| 05:41.43 | gwildor | you know, your next door neighbor is 1 hour ahead of you |
| 05:42.04 | elmo40 | Canada has 5 1/2 time zones :P |
| 05:42.11 | elmo40 | our East Coast is 1/2hr off |
| 05:42.27 | elmo40 | gwildor: means he starts work an hour earlier then you ;) |
| 05:42.50 | vineman | and stays back an hour later if he wants to talk to you |
| 05:43.13 | gwildor | yeah, but you walk over to his house for a beer... |
| 05:43.22 | gwildor | and tell your wife you will be back in 1 hour... |
| 05:43.31 | gwildor | by time you get to his couch, you are already late. |
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| 06:21.44 | vineman | crook localtime file - I ran tzconfig and all is well now |
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| 14:07.46 | Elive_user1_en | hola amigos |
| 14:08.00 | keyra | Elive_user1_en: que tal ? |
| 14:08.22 | Elive_user1_en | bien y vos? |
| 14:12.41 | Elive_user1_en | hi i need some help with elive |
| 14:15.07 | Elive_user1_en | is any here i can't read nothing |
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| 15:31.29 | orascic | does anybody have any problems using Eltrans? |
| 15:35.40 | orascic | it hangs at Downloading translations and it can't connect to svn... anybody experiencing similiar probs? |
| 16:14.16 | AlexAnteMachina | yes |
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| 16:18.55 | AlexAnteMachina | orascic, I can confirm your problem |
| 16:19.14 | orascic | ok... I will file a bug |
| 16:19.22 | orascic | urgent :) |
| 16:20.04 | AlexAnteMachina | well, not urgent to me. Finished all translations befor that problem occured. |
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| 17:23.11 | DammitJim | !seen Thanatermesis |
| 17:23.39 | DammitJim | !seen |
| 17:23.49 | DammitJim | !seeing |
| 17:23.51 | DammitJim | !dammit\ |
| 17:23.57 | DammitJim | jim |
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| 17:26.45 | AlexAnteMachina | DammitJim, ping |
| 17:27.07 | AlexAnteMachina | DammitJim, use apt instead of ! |
| 17:27.45 | AlexAnteMachina | apt, seen thanatermesis |
| 17:27.47 | apt | thanatermesis <~unknown@unaffiliated/thanatermesis> was last seen on IRC in channel #elive, 68d 19h 12m 22s ago, saying: 'MrSandman, have you see this email ?'. |
| 17:27.57 | AlexAnteMachina | DammitJim, got it!? |
| 17:29.34 | DammitJim | dammit... 68 days |
| 17:29.36 | DammitJim | this is not good |
| 17:30.10 | AlexAnteMachina | y do you think so? |
| 17:30.22 | DammitJim | 'cause I have too many problems with elive right now... it's not even funny |
| 17:30.36 | keyra | DammitJim: Don't be shy! Just ask. :) |
| 17:30.40 | AlexAnteMachina | write an email |
| 17:30.45 | DammitJim | shut up keyra and kiss me! |
| 17:30.49 | DammitJim | has he answered your emails? |
| 17:30.55 | AlexAnteMachina | sure |
| 17:30.59 | DammitJim | when? |
| 17:30.59 | keyra | DammitJim: :-# |
| 17:31.03 | AlexAnteMachina | or write a bugreport |
| 17:31.17 | keyra | AlexAnteMachina: http://bugs.elivecd.org |
| 17:31.22 | AlexAnteMachina | when? .. when I wrote them. |
| 17:31.49 | DammitJim | no, when was the last time he replied? |
| 17:32.00 | AlexAnteMachina | He said he's very much into coding and does not want to waste time using irc anymore. |
| 17:32.43 | DammitJim | when? |
| 17:32.55 | DammitJim | Pacma hasn't even heard of him and they live in the same city |
| 17:34.12 | AlexAnteMachina | last time he's written me was 3rd of May. |
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| 17:38.13 | AlexAnteMachina | well, I've just informed him about a problem with eltrans. |
| 17:38.20 | AlexAnteMachina | lets see when he'll reply. |
| 17:38.28 | keyra | AlexAnteMachina: eltrans is the Elive translator tool, a very easy and guided way to made translations for Elive (and e17 too), it sends automatically your translations, you can download it from http://us.repository.elive-systems.com/pool/main/e/eltrans/ , ask me about poedit before to use eltrans |
| 17:39.01 | DammitJim | did you create a ticket? |
| 17:39.03 | AlexAnteMachina | In case Pacma lives in the same city why doesnt he walk over to thana's place!? |
| 17:39.13 | AlexAnteMachina | a ticket? I've emailed. |
| 17:39.43 | DammitJim | he has tried to find him |
| 17:39.52 | DammitJim | but he says the times he has, hasn't seen him |
| 17:40.35 | AlexAnteMachina | so what? |
| 17:42.03 | AlexAnteMachina | What r u afraid of? |
| 17:43.00 | DammitJim | that elive is not moving forward |
| 17:43.07 | DammitJim | I started looking at MoonOS |
| 17:43.13 | DammitJim | PCLinuxOS with e17 |
| 17:43.14 | DammitJim | and othres |
| 17:43.16 | DammitJim | others |
| 17:44.49 | AlexAnteMachina | well, I got a feeling he's working a lot and will surprise us with something very outstanding. |
| 17:45.02 | DammitJim | thanks for being optimistic |
| 17:45.23 | AlexAnteMachina | reads on dev.elivecd.org |
| 17:45.48 | AlexAnteMachina | check the "Timeline" for SuperHome |
| 17:45.51 | AlexAnteMachina | ;) |
| 17:51.47 | AlexAnteMachina | DammitJim, read it? |
| 17:51.58 | DammitJim | not sure what it is |
| 17:57.24 | AlexAnteMachina | some confection of pastry... with a lanyard |
| 17:57.26 | AlexAnteMachina | ;) |
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| 19:29.11 | wasynyt | good evening everyone |
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| 20:10.57 | wasynyt | good evening Spami|Thug |
| 20:11.20 | Spami|Thug | Ola wasynyt |
| 20:11.28 | wasynyt | long time not seen |
| 20:11.40 | wasynyt | how are you doing |
| 20:11.56 | Spami|Thug | fine |
| 20:12.00 | Spami|Thug | just studying |
| 20:12.04 | Spami|Thug | and you ? |
| 20:12.17 | wasynyt | doing fine.. studying as well |
| 20:12.20 | DammitJim | sup guys? |
| 20:12.27 | wasynyt | or i should be |
| 20:12.45 | wasynyt | and i should be doing electric planning right this moment |
| 20:12.50 | wasynyt | good evening DammitJim |
| 20:13.45 | wasynyt | DammitJim, what have you been up to? |
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| 20:25.52 | wasynyt | good evening girl_soul |
| 20:26.43 | DammitJim | wasynyt, just hanging out |
| 20:26.47 | DammitJim | hey girl_soul |
| 20:26.50 | DammitJim | hey Spami|Thug |
| 20:26.59 | DammitJim | wasynyt, what version of linux do you run? |
| 20:27.01 | Spami|Thug | heya DammitJim |
| 20:27.39 | DammitJim | what's going on, Spami|Thug |
| 20:40.24 | AlexAnteMachina | hey wasynyt |
| 20:40.29 | AlexAnteMachina | long time no see |
| 20:40.49 | wasynyt | o/ |
| 20:40.55 | AlexAnteMachina | how r u? |
| 20:41.08 | wasynyt | doing well |
| 20:41.18 | wasynyt | and you |
| 20:41.21 | AlexAnteMachina | good to hear. |
| 20:41.24 | wasynyt | what have you been up to |
| 20:41.25 | AlexAnteMachina | I'm fine. |
| 20:41.51 | wasynyt | nice |
| 20:41.55 | AlexAnteMachina | well, chances are I'll get another education. |
| 20:42.09 | wasynyt | really? what are you going to be |
| 20:42.15 | wasynyt | nuclear engineer? |
| 20:42.25 | AlexAnteMachina | not really. |
| 20:42.27 | AlexAnteMachina | but close. |
| 20:42.31 | AlexAnteMachina | IT specialist. |
| 20:42.53 | wasynyt | what does IT specialist do |
| 20:43.14 | AlexAnteMachina | depends on what he's specialized to. |
| 20:43.36 | AlexAnteMachina | here we got 2 options to choose from. |
| 20:44.12 | wasynyt | support and developer/maintainer |
| 20:45.02 | AlexAnteMachina | application development or IT system integration specialist |
| 20:45.09 | AlexAnteMachina | yep, you got it. |
| 20:45.31 | wasynyt | heh |
| 20:45.46 | wasynyt | are you aiming for support? |
| 20:45.51 | AlexAnteMachina | since I got no clue about writing code thise choice is easy. |
| 20:46.16 | AlexAnteMachina | yep. I'll do the systems integrations. |
| 20:46.59 | wasynyt | that can be a hard job |
| 20:47.07 | AlexAnteMachina | also called system engineer. |
| 20:47.14 | AlexAnteMachina | everything can be hard. |
| 20:47.24 | wasynyt | nah nice name doesnt change the job |
| 20:47.28 | AlexAnteMachina | used to be a carpenter. that was hard, too. |
| 20:47.38 | keyra | wasynyt: press Control + S to change your nickname :) |
| 20:47.46 | wasynyt | quite different work |
| 20:47.50 | AlexAnteMachina | developing applications can also be hard. |
| 20:47.52 | wasynyt | apt shoot Key |
| 20:47.53 | apt | ACTION shoots Key in the ear with a quantum singularity weapon! |
| 20:47.54 | wasynyt | apt shoot Keyra |
| 20:47.54 | apt | ACTION shoots Keyra in the foot with a frozen turkey cannon! |
| 20:48.13 | AlexAnteMachina | especially when you got a time-limitation |
| 20:48.39 | wasynyt | is writing program for modican, with unity pro |
| 20:48.49 | AlexAnteMachina | has no idea. |
| 20:48.50 | wasynyt | time limits are evil |
| 20:49.11 | wasynyt | modicon is a industry automation logic |
| 20:49.12 | AlexAnteMachina | well, you know I just need that degree. |
| 20:49.40 | wasynyt | has no idea how he ended up coding for that |
| 20:49.40 | AlexAnteMachina | My plans are not to stay an emplyee very long. |
| 20:49.55 | wasynyt | having degree is very usefull |
| 20:50.00 | AlexAnteMachina | yep. |
| 20:50.10 | AlexAnteMachina | I want to teach people how to use IT. |
| 20:50.19 | AlexAnteMachina | that's what i need that for. |
| 20:50.31 | AlexAnteMachina | and chances are I'll go selling my own systems. |
| 20:50.38 | wasynyt | sounds like a solid plan |
| 20:50.49 | wasynyt | but not easy nor quick |
| 20:51.15 | AlexAnteMachina | Oh, and I met a guy from russia who's told me about the badly developed communications infrastructure in russia. |
| 20:51.33 | wasynyt | i can only quess |
| 20:51.35 | AlexAnteMachina | Maybe we'll start a project solving that. |
| 20:52.01 | AlexAnteMachina | A mesh-network might get useful. |
| 20:52.29 | wasynyt | well first you need solid base network |
| 20:53.07 | AlexAnteMachina | get a cheap linksys wrt54gl router. flash it with dd-wrt and you can make it a solid part of an mesh-network. |
| 20:53.35 | AlexAnteMachina | yep. we need some "anchor-point" for this. |
| 20:54.04 | wasynyt | and i would quess that, that is very the big problems lie |
| 20:54.29 | wasynyt | *were |
| 20:55.07 | AlexAnteMachina | but since this russian guy is a graduated engineer for telecommunications we might have a chance. |
| 20:55.17 | AlexAnteMachina | well, it's just an idea yet. |
| 20:55.31 | wasynyt | it sounds like a good business idea |
| 20:55.37 | AlexAnteMachina | dunno. |
| 20:55.50 | wasynyt | if you could monopolize russias network |
| 20:56.00 | AlexAnteMachina | i also got a friend who's working as fund-raising specialist. |
| 20:56.00 | wasynyt | just be sure to not live in there |
| 20:56.02 | AlexAnteMachina | :) |
| 20:56.17 | wasynyt | :D |
| 20:56.25 | wasynyt | you have nice friends |
| 20:56.38 | AlexAnteMachina | well, maybe we can start some small project. |
| 20:56.49 | AlexAnteMachina | if it works it may grow bigger. |
| 20:57.24 | wasynyt | i think that in russia every one for themselves.. so you could start from some city/town |
| 20:57.41 | AlexAnteMachina | huh? |
| 20:57.46 | AlexAnteMachina | didnt get that. |
| 20:58.01 | wasynyt | there is no real central control for stuff like that |
| 20:58.21 | wasynyt | so every town/city/area does as well as they can |
| 20:58.43 | AlexAnteMachina | no. |
| 20:59.05 | AlexAnteMachina | every cable running undergound belongs to the state. |
| 20:59.14 | AlexAnteMachina | so it's a centralized system. |
| 20:59.23 | wasynyt | that is a lot better then |
| 20:59.50 | AlexAnteMachina | and since those guys do not want people to have free information the dont develop it-infrastructures. |
| 21:00.23 | AlexAnteMachina | in big cities internet works pretty well. |
| 21:00.37 | AlexAnteMachina | but wide areas are nearly cut off. |
| 21:00.47 | wasynyt | that is bad |
| 21:01.01 | AlexAnteMachina | they dont even have reliable phone connection! |
| 21:01.13 | wasynyt | ! |
| 21:02.05 | AlexAnteMachina | that's why a mesh-networks seems to be a nice solution. |
| 21:02.57 | wasynyt | but mesh network alone cannot connect to a distant network, especially on low population density areas |
| 21:03.01 | AlexAnteMachina | we just need one good connection to provide i-net to lots of people |
| 21:03.19 | AlexAnteMachina | yep. it can. |
| 21:03.31 | wasynyt | wifi link can go some 20-50 km |
| 21:03.39 | AlexAnteMachina | yep. |
| 21:03.48 | AlexAnteMachina | that's more than enough. |
| 21:03.53 | wasynyt | ok |
| 21:03.56 | AlexAnteMachina | i dont want to link whole russia. |
| 21:04.07 | AlexAnteMachina | just a town or a larger village. |
| 21:04.37 | AlexAnteMachina | first time i read about it was when I was reading about the OLPC project. |
| 21:04.54 | wasynyt | they have some nice ideas |
| 21:04.58 | AlexAnteMachina | yep. |
| 21:05.41 | AlexAnteMachina | And the same kind of network could help bringing small villages and towns online, too. |
| 21:05.45 | wasynyt | only problem that i can think of are the patents covering network roaming |
| 21:05.52 | wasynyt | yeah |
| 21:06.06 | AlexAnteMachina | nah... its under GNU. |
| 21:06.06 | wasynyt | well that is what they designed it for |
| 21:06.28 | AlexAnteMachina | this is why it comes with dd-wrt! |
| 21:07.18 | AlexAnteMachina | just get some dd-wrt able routers. flash them with dd-wrt. setup mesh networking and you are nearly done. |
| 21:07.47 | wasynyt | hmm.. how does that system preserv privacy |
| 21:08.01 | wasynyt | and how well does it handel high load? |
| 21:08.03 | AlexAnteMachina | its a very secure network. |
| 21:08.14 | wasynyt | has it been tested somewhere |
| 21:08.17 | AlexAnteMachina | this is one of its problems. |
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| 21:08.46 | AlexAnteMachina | but having slow i-net is better then having none. |
| 21:09.12 | wasynyt | yeah |
| 21:09.20 | AlexAnteMachina | additionally: it's just an idea yet! |
| 21:09.59 | wasynyt | D |
| 21:10.01 | wasynyt | :D |
| 21:11.08 | AlexAnteMachina | I was also working on my website |
| 21:11.32 | AlexAnteMachina | and last week I've completed elive translations. |
| 21:11.33 | AlexAnteMachina | :) |
| 21:11.38 | wasynyt | nice |
| 21:11.46 | keyra | AlexAnteMachina: eltrans is the Elive translator tool, a very easy and guided way to made translations for Elive (and e17 too), it sends automatically your translations, you can download it from http://us.repository.elive-systems.com/pool/main/e/eltrans/ , ask me about poedit before to use eltrans |
| 21:11.53 | wasynyt | ... |
| 21:11.55 | AlexAnteMachina | now i need some sleep. |
| 21:12.02 | AlexAnteMachina | have to get up at 6! |
| 21:12.05 | AlexAnteMachina | cu |
| 21:12.06 | wasynyt | good nigh AlexAnteMachina |
| 21:12.10 | wasynyt | *night |
| 21:12.28 | wasynyt | tries to be here more often |
| 21:14.28 | wasynyt | is watching the original grudge |
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