IRC log for #elive on 20100607

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01:29.31Elive_user23hi all
01:30.02Elive_user23hola a todos
01:30.02keyraElive_user23: que tal ?
01:30.05Elive_user23hola aqui desde argentina
01:30.13Elive_user23de donde eres kyers?
01:31.27Elive_user23estas?
01:31.45Elive_user23hola?
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05:30.55yebyenwhat happened to the life in elive
05:31.13yebyenwe need to get some elive users up in here
05:31.22yebyeni have 3 installed machines myself
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07:49.17Elive_user30_csI am truly surprised at the level of elive tuning and the speed of the comp
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10:18.13AlexAnteMachinahi all
10:18.15AlexAnteMachina:)
10:18.23AlexAnteMachinahey Wizard
10:18.27AlexAnteMachinahow r u?
10:18.41AlexAnteMachinaget, ping
10:19.07AlexAnteMachinaDoes anybody know a free alternative for Solid Edge?
10:36.52Wizardhi AlexAnteMachina
10:36.54Wizardworking
10:36.59Wizardlazy
10:37.02Wizardsleepy
10:37.03Wizard:P
10:37.10Wizardwhat is Solid Edge?
10:37.10AlexAnteMachinaI'm at "School"
10:37.23Wizardah! that crap for 3d modeling
10:37.25AlexAnteMachinasolid edge is a cad programm
10:37.35AlexAnteMachinano crap honey!
10:37.43Wizardyeah, I had this shit on uni
10:37.47Wizardi hate cads
10:37.48AlexAnteMachinashit?
10:37.51AlexAnteMachinak
10:37.53AlexAnteMachinay?
10:38.01AlexAnteMachinay u hate it?
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10:41.05Wizardbecause it is about designing and drawing things
10:41.08Wizardand i suck at it
10:41.11Wizard:>
10:41.29AlexAnteMachinaLOL
10:41.31AlexAnteMachinaokay.
10:41.35AlexAnteMachinaso it's not for you.
10:41.43AlexAnteMachinaI really love it.
10:41.59AlexAnteMachinaI also liked technical drawing at school
10:42.38AlexAnteMachinabut hated all the measuring .... now at solid edge one can focus on the construction and measuring is quick and easy.
10:42.53Wizard:)
10:43.06Wizardwas allways terminal addict
10:43.06AlexAnteMachinachances are I'll do some CAD and later CNC trainings.
10:43.20Wizardand you will get nice job after? :]
10:43.20keyraWizard: configurations of terminal in e17 preferences, of course :)
10:43.48Wizardyeah, cool
10:44.26AlexAnteMachinaAfaik people  capable of CNC programmin are very wanted.
10:44.36Wizardwtf is CNC?
10:45.22AlexAnteMachinameans Computer Numerical Control and is used to control milling cutters
10:46.31AlexAnteMachinaTo create some Machine-Part one has to design that part by using CAD and later this part is manufactured by using CNC
10:46.38AlexAnteMachinagot it, Wizard ?
10:48.01Wizardah, understand
10:48.07AlexAnteMachina:)
10:48.10AlexAnteMachinanice
10:48.28AlexAnteMachinaAnd this is what I really like.
10:48.37Wizardwould like to work as a sysadmin or desktop app developer
10:48.46Wizardnot java crapper :(
10:49.05AlexAnteMachinaTelling machines what metal or wooden part to create.
10:49.37AlexAnteMachinaWizard: y not starting your own business?
10:49.44AlexAnteMachinais such a fucking lazy ass
10:50.16AlexAnteMachinaI could have started programming month ago.
10:50.39AlexAnteMachinagot a nice book about C
10:50.58AlexAnteMachinabut i dont have the disciplin working it through
10:51.35AlexAnteMachinaThis could give me some nice new input.
10:51.35WizardC is rather difficult for beginners
10:51.40AlexAnteMachinayep.
10:51.54AlexAnteMachinaWizard: anything else you would recommend for a Beginner?
10:52.02Wizardmaybe python
10:52.32AlexAnteMachinaDont say "maybe", since I have absolutely  NO  IDEA!
10:52.41Wizardme neither
10:52.49AlexAnteMachinaHoly Crap!
10:52.51Wizardi think python will be good to start
10:52.54AlexAnteMachinaI'm lost!
10:52.54Wizard:)
10:53.03Wizardfor sure, python is great for starting
10:53.05Wizardwith
10:53.06AlexAnteMachinathana told me to learn C
10:53.16AlexAnteMachinau r telling me to lean python
10:53.21Wizardhmm..
10:53.30Wizardtry both
10:53.32AlexAnteMachinaI'm just a mere human!
10:54.00WizardC and python have simmilar syntax
10:54.08Wizardbut python is object oriented
10:54.19Wizarddepends what do you want to train
10:54.22AlexAnteMachinaobject oriented means????
10:54.35Wizardoops
10:54.41AlexAnteMachinaI have no idea about programming, so I cant decide what to train!
10:54.51Wizardok, so i'll tell you!
10:55.09Wizardforces AlexAnteMachina to learn python basics
10:55.13AlexAnteMachinak
10:55.18AlexAnteMachinau neednt force me.
10:55.40Wizardget tutorial from pyhon.org and stop at 'classes'
10:56.00AlexAnteMachinaso its easier to get started using python.
10:56.18AlexAnteMachinayes/no  .... make your decision.
10:56.26Wizardyou will get overall concpepts of control flow, conditioonal statements and other 'standard' language features
10:56.30Wizardyes
10:56.35Wizardyes as fuck
10:56.39AlexAnteMachina?
10:56.41AlexAnteMachinawhat?
10:56.59Wizardno pointers, no manual memory management..
10:57.08Wizardpython is alot easier than C
10:57.13AlexAnteMachinaokay.
10:57.19AlexAnteMachinaI'll give that a try.
10:57.19Wizardit's got complex builtin types and so
10:57.28AlexAnteMachinano idea bout that
10:57.35AlexAnteMachinabut I'm quite willed
10:57.42Wizardin C you will feel lost like a lamb on autobahn ;)
10:58.41AlexAnteMachinaalready felt so
10:59.53Wizardhmm
11:00.05Wizardpython tutorial assumes that you are a total lame
11:00.15Wizardexplains everything step by step
11:01.49AlexAnteMachinajust had a look at amazon's.... found a niteresting bool
11:01.53AlexAnteMachinadoh... BOOK!
11:02.32AlexAnteMachinaIt's got pretty high ratings.
11:02.43AlexAnteMachinachances are I'll buy it.
11:03.00AlexAnteMachinabut have to check my bank-account before ordering!
11:03.02AlexAnteMachina:)
11:03.20WizardAlexAnteMachina: python book is available online on python.org
11:03.28Wizardyou don't need to pay for anything
11:03.29Wizard:)
11:04.03AlexAnteMachinacool!
11:04.11AlexAnteMachinaa beginners guid for NON PROGRAMMERS!
11:04.14AlexAnteMachinaYES!
11:04.16AlexAnteMachinaThis rocks!!!!
11:05.50AlexAnteMachinak... thanks for that hint, Wizard !
11:06.25Wizardyou're welcome
11:08.19AlexAnteMachinaMaybe this will give me a better start.
11:09.18AlexAnteMachinaTo become a mighty Developer, claiming world-domination!
11:09.46AlexAnteMachinaBut first I need a ugly beardling right below my Nose.
11:09.48AlexAnteMachina;)
11:11.56Wizardheh
11:20.42AlexAnteMachinathe most annoying thing these days is my feeling like wasting my lifetime
11:21.04AlexAnteMachinathis course I'm at is so low-level
11:21.19AlexAnteMachinaqite frustrating
11:24.08AlexAnteMachinak... need to logoff...
11:24.15AlexAnteMachinacu
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13:13.07*** topic/#elive is Elive 2.0 is released ! non-cost installer-modules: http://www.elivecd.org/codes || Collaborate: http://www.elivecd.org/Help/Collaborate || Want to develop in EFL ? http://dev.elivecd.org/wiki/HowtoEFL
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16:16.19Elive_user33_frsalut a tous
16:28.02evryanzBonjour Elive_user33_fr
16:31.25yebyengreetings
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17:47.36yebyencan anyone explain how the acpi hibernate is supposed to work
17:47.51yebyenbesides setting resume=swap:/dev/sda6
17:48.07yebyencan you actually enable a live install with hibernate?
17:48.26yebyeni think maybe i also need tuxonice flag
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19:25.56AlexAnteMachinahi chdrsto
19:30.54Wizardhi AlexAnteMachina
19:31.14AlexAnteMachinahey Wizard
19:32.51Wizarddid you read python tutorial?
19:32.59AlexAnteMachinalol.... calm down
19:33.28AlexAnteMachinathere is more in life than just computers
19:33.55AlexAnteMachinai will, but i need a little more time
19:33.57Wizardgirls and alcohol probably?
19:35.16Wizard?
19:37.10AlexAnteMachinanot at my age
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19:37.36chdrstoHi AlexAnteMachina
19:37.54Wizardhi chdrsto o/
19:38.10chdrstoHi Wizard
19:38.22WizardAlexAnteMachina: you're 78 or what?!
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19:42.55Wizarduse dash as default system /bin/sh?
19:42.57Wizardwtf?!
19:43.10Wizardhi wasynyt!
19:43.14Wizardwassup?!
19:43.16wasynytgood evening people
19:43.35wasynytnothing special.. so good :D
19:43.42wasynythow are you doing Wizard
19:44.00AlexAnteMachinahuh? Dash? Aint that Detergent?
19:44.29wasynyto/ AlexAnteMachina
19:44.37AlexAnteMachinahi wasynyt
19:45.49Wizardwasynyt: updating leny to testing (because of fucking octave modules)
19:46.01wasynythmm
19:46.11Wizardand drinking gin with tonic
19:46.23wasynytsounds like a plan
19:48.50Wizardthere's no plan :)
19:49.00wasynyt:D
19:49.03wasynyteven better
19:49.09Wizarddebian will probably screw update and i will be to drunk to fix it
19:49.31wasynytwell i would say that is the plan
19:49.47Wizardso, my primary plan - writing matlab scripts in octave for numeric methods will fail ;)
19:51.13Wizardnah!
19:51.15AlexAnteMachinamy slug's debian-repos somehow wont workk anymore.
19:51.19Wizardfuckup!
19:51.25Wizardslug?
19:51.29AlexAnteMachinaSlug!
19:51.30keyraAlexAnteMachina: Debian repos are included BY DEFAULT on Elive :), but don't modify the repositories of Elive, that's a ugly thing that broke systems
19:51.35Wizardlike this small animal?
19:51.41Wizardsnail without a shell?
19:51.42AlexAnteMachinayes.
19:51.56AlexAnteMachinaNSLU2 by Linksys.
19:52.05AlexAnteMachinaAlso called Slug.
19:52.07Wizardsh, thath
19:52.09Wizard:D
19:52.25Wizarddid you know that in polish both slug and snail is '
19:52.32Wizardślimak'?
19:52.33AlexAnteMachinaI got Debian running on it. It's called SlugOS!
19:52.45Wizard:P
19:52.47keyraAlexAnteMachina: Debian is the SH%$T my friend !
19:52.54AlexAnteMachinathe what?
19:53.08AlexAnteMachinawhat the fuck is  SH%$T??????
19:53.46Wizard% - variables in dos batch files
19:54.07Wizard$ - variables in bourne shell, c shell, php, perl, tcl
19:54.15Wizardand probably 10 more langs :>
19:54.17Wizardślimak
19:54.20wasynyt:)
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19:57.29Wizardgood evening gwildor
19:57.48wasynytgood evening gwildor
19:57.56gwildorwell good evening
19:58.51wasynythow are you doing gwildor
19:58.54WizardWystąpiły błędy podczas przetwarzania: /var/cache/apt/archives/udev_154-1_powerpc.deb
19:58.57WizardE: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
19:59.00Wizard:<
19:59.13gwildorim alright, bussy busy, but alright
19:59.15wasynyt:/
19:59.23wasynytgood
19:59.31Wizardnot good
19:59.41wasynytWizard: you have a powermac?
20:00.01Wizardpowerbook
20:00.25wasynythmm.. ok
20:01.21Wizard:>
20:01.52wasynytis wondering if he should get himself a old powerbook as well
20:01.59Wizardhehe
20:02.05Wizardgood hardware
20:02.19wasynytso i have heard
20:02.36DammitJimhas anyone ran elive on an HTC phone?
20:02.40DammitJimlol
20:02.45DammitJimWizard, how are ya?
20:02.47DammitJimwasynyt, what's up?
20:02.53WizardDammitJim: great :D
20:03.01wasynytelive on htc ? elive doesnt run on arm hardware
20:03.02Wizardz każdym łykiem - coraz lepiej!
20:03.09wasynytDammitJim: nothing special
20:03.11DammitJimWizard, are you the java guru?
20:03.17Wizardnope
20:03.24DammitJimwasynyt, are you the java guru?
20:03.37Wizardi'm just a simple developer/coder
20:03.38wasynytis no guru
20:03.43Wizardand i'm not proud of it
20:03.50Wizardślimak ;)
20:04.04DammitJimWizard, what can you tell me about collections in java?
20:04.05DammitJim:D
20:04.21yebyenDammitJim: what do you need to know ?
20:04.23Wizardcollections are like random sack :)
20:04.46Wizardmost of them implement Collection or Set
20:04.47yebyenput everything in the world into a hashmap
20:04.52DammitJimyebyen, I need to compare 2 objects and I'm not sure what the best way of doing that is...
20:05.05yebyenif it's only two, make sure they implement Comparable
20:05.09DammitJimone object comes from a JSONObjet
20:05.20DammitJimthe other is just a multidimensional array
20:05.20Wizardand second?
20:05.22yebyenand if they're of different classes
20:05.33yebyenthey ought to subclass the same comparable type
20:05.36yebyeni think
20:05.38DammitJimat the end I need to add a parameter from the array into the JSON object
20:05.38yebyenthat sounds messy
20:05.44Wizardhmm you will have to write comparator i think
20:05.48DammitJimand then put it in order of that parameter :)
20:05.49DammitJimlol
20:07.23DammitJimyebyen, it is messy
20:07.27DammitJimI'm trying to clean it up :)
20:07.35DammitJimI'm glad we have #elive... to talk about #java
20:07.42DammitJimbut not in the #java channel where I almost got shot
20:07.42wasynyt:P
20:07.52wasynytreally?
20:08.00Wizard#elive is for everyting, even for ślimaki!
20:08.12wasynytapt give Wizard a cookie
20:08.13aptACTION gives Wizard a home-baked fortune cookie to cheer him up.
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20:09.02Wizard:)
20:09.11wasynytgood evening g0t
20:09.17Wizardhi g0t
20:09.22g0thy there guys
20:09.31DammitJimcomparator you say, Wizard ?
20:09.41wasynythow are you doing g0t
20:09.41g0tit must have been silence here
20:09.48g0twery whell
20:09.55g0thow about you?
20:10.01wasynytis doing well
20:10.09g0ti do misspell a lot
20:10.19wasynytheh.. well that is not a problem here
20:10.29g0tok then
20:11.01g0twell after a long time i came to wisit my faorate irc chanell
20:11.35g0tto brush my english and learn something
20:11.55wasynytwonders why others went to hiding
20:12.44Wizardfights with apt
20:13.03wasynytwhat is apt doing
20:13.09Wizardand will probably fail
20:13.40g0tapt will fail to get perl-5 for webmin
20:13.43g0t;o)
20:14.03Wizardi don't have webmin installed
20:14.18g0tkiding, i have put one today
20:14.25g0tnot on elive, but ubuntu
20:14.30yebyenhum
20:14.37g0tdistant cousn of elive
20:14.46wasynytgood evening yebyen
20:15.01yebyenhowdy wasynyt
20:15.36wasynythow are you doing yebyen
20:15.49yebyeni'm alright
20:16.02yebyenand yourself?
20:16.12wasynytdoing well as well
20:16.26Wizard:)
20:16.33Wizardfeels drunk
20:16.45Wizardand hungry
20:16.53wasynytbad combo
20:16.58Wizardyeah
20:17.51yebyeni am in a bar, why am i drinking coffee
20:17.58Wizarddunno
20:18.05yebyenpeople are supposed to pay you to drink coffee
20:18.07Wizardi don't drink coffee at all
20:18.16yebyenotherwise why do you drink it
20:18.30yebyenmystery
20:18.43yebyenWizard: are you a hacker?
20:18.50Wizardnope
20:18.56Wizardi suck at programming
20:18.59AlexAnteMachinadoes anybody know "Webby" by Vodafone?
20:19.10Wizardi do this only because my chief decided so
20:19.47Wizardand I hate coffee
20:20.31AlexAnteMachinahumm,... coffee is essential for Developers. So I assume you cant be one, Wizard.
20:20.33AlexAnteMachina;)
20:20.35yebyenwell 4:20 on the east coast
20:20.38yebyensmoke em if you got em
20:21.05wasynyttime for quick reboot
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20:23.24AlexAnteMachinawb wasynyt
20:23.32wasynytthanks
20:23.50AlexAnteMachinaI'm leaving
20:23.54AlexAnteMachinanight!
20:24.00wasynytsee you later
20:37.07Wizarduh
20:37.30Wizardwhat should i do if i just hate coffee?
20:37.31Wizard:(
20:37.46wasynytdid apt finally beat you down
20:37.54wasynytnot drink it?
20:38.04Wizardo don't drink
20:38.22wasynytheh, and still be a really good coder
20:38.38Wizard;)
20:38.49wasynytthen you would change it
20:39.32Wizardnah my girl is mad at me again because i drunk glass of gin and a beer
20:39.44Wizardand *that* is real problem
20:40.07wasynytand no coding can fix that
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20:41.13Wizardyeah :/
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