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05:54.56Elive_user62alguien
05:55.07Elive_user62sabe como crear un lanzador en elive
05:55.13Elive_user62soy nuevo en esto
05:55.25Elive_user62muñeca tu sabes
05:55.30Elive_user62keyraaa
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14:05.49AlexAnteMachinavektorman, your nick sounds like superhero
14:07.08vektormanAlexAnteMachina, like superhero from SEGA :))
14:08.27vektormanbut I made mistake - it was vectorman instead of vektorman, however
14:08.28AlexAnteMachinaoh really?
14:08.39AlexAnteMachinanever heard of vectroman
14:09.23AlexAnteMachinawell, just googled it
14:09.28AlexAnteMachinanever played it
14:09.32vektormanit was nice game on sega megadrive that I played at 90-s
14:09.43AlexAnteMachinanever had a megadrive, i fear
14:10.46AlexAnteMachinaseems like you've been far out during the 90's!
14:11.18AlexAnteMachinaguess it wasnt too common in those days at your place, was it?
14:12.13AlexAnteMachinayou're from russia, arent you?
14:12.35vektormanAlexAnteMachina, I am from Bulgaria
14:12.53AlexAnteMachinaoh, little closer.
14:12.56AlexAnteMachina:)
14:13.02vektormanAlexAnteMachina, yes
14:13.09vektormancloser
14:13.16vektorman:))
14:13.21AlexAnteMachinayes, closer. not so far away.
14:13.30vektormanthe languages are very close
14:14.20vektormanAlexAnteMachina, for bulgarians is very easy to leaarn russian
14:14.39AlexAnteMachinarussian?
14:14.47AlexAnteMachinaits a language?
14:14.52AlexAnteMachinai thought it was a noise.
14:15.13AlexAnteMachina;9
14:16.03vektormanAlexAnteMachina, ok, now I must quit
14:16.12vektormanAlexAnteMachina, see you soon
14:16.13AlexAnteMachinasee you!
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20:15.02ianw1974hi, how do i set the feature, so that when i drag an application to the left or right side of the window, that it scrolls to the next desktop.  in elivecd it's not working, but if i install enlightenment on another system, it's automatically enabled.  i cant find it in elivecd.
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20:21.22Wizardhi
20:22.57AlexAnteMachinahi Wizard
20:25.03Wizardhi AlexAnteMachina
20:30.04AlexAnteMachinaapt, seen thanatermesis
20:30.19aptthanatermesis <~unknown@unaffiliated/thanatermesis> was last seen on IRC in channel #elive, 148d 4h 12m 14s ago, saying: 'elmo40, busy with the internal tools, i can't do anything until finished'.
20:30.31AlexAnteMachinaO_O
20:30.34AlexAnteMachinaooops
20:34.02Wizardlol
20:34.09Wizardhe forgot about elive :(
20:35.21Wizardwhat's up Alex?
20:35.44AlexAnteMachinahumm... not much
20:36.10AlexAnteMachinajoining the pirates
20:36.42Wizardwhat pirates?
20:36.46Wizardpirate party?
20:36.51AlexAnteMachinathe political party
20:37.35Wizardhehe
20:38.07AlexAnteMachinamaybe ill become a politician
20:38.09AlexAnteMachinalol
20:38.14WizardPolska Partia Piratów is extinct now
20:38.24AlexAnteMachinaextinct? y?
20:38.55Wizardthey unregistered it
20:39.07AlexAnteMachinahuh?
20:39.10AlexAnteMachinabut why?
20:39.15Wizarddunno
20:39.27AlexAnteMachinathe party itself unregistered?
20:39.32Wizardhas his own political program for Poland :P
20:40.01Wizardno, they were registered as a party in court, but they quit and unregistered it
20:41.11AlexAnteMachinaso the party itself quit working or did they become unregistered?
20:41.26Wizardi;m not sure, i'm gonna check
20:42.49Wizard"W dniu 28 grudnia 2009 polska Partia Piratów została wykreślona z rejestru partii politycznych i zaprzestała swojej działalności poza internetem"
20:43.20AlexAnteMachinaahm... okay. I dont understand very much of it.
20:43.58Wizardin 28th of December 2009 polish Pirate Party was removed from registry of political parties and stopped any actions besides internet
20:44.12Wizardfree translations by Wizard(c)
20:44.19AlexAnteMachinaso its about a year ago
20:44.28Wizardyeah, but wikipedia lies
20:44.47AlexAnteMachinaautomagically translated by wizard
20:46.12Wizard;P
20:46.27Wizardstarted reading gentoo install files
20:46.39AlexAnteMachinagentoo... woohoooo
20:46.44Wizardif *this* system won't help this hardware - nothing will :<
20:46.49AlexAnteMachinathe master himself!
20:47.02AlexAnteMachinaI'm gonna try arch
20:47.14AlexAnteMachinagentoo is far above my head
20:48.19Wizardi'm pissed
20:48.32AlexAnteMachinaget diapers!
20:48.34Wizardgentoo is easy as fuck
20:48.37Wizardreally
20:48.53Wizardit's only time-consuming
20:49.00AlexAnteMachinafucking isnt easy
20:49.38Wizardit is
20:49.54AlexAnteMachinayour shortsightened
20:50.24AlexAnteMachinadont look at the act itself, but on all the action that has to be done before!
20:50.32AlexAnteMachinagoing out, meeting girls....
20:50.56AlexAnteMachinathats pretty time and power consuming
20:51.11Wizardso it's like gentoo
20:51.33Wizardtime consuming, sometimes unhealthly and annoying
20:51.39Wizardbut gives satisfaction
20:51.45Wizardand i didn't say that
20:52.29AlexAnteMachinayep. you wrote it.
20:52.43Wizardgood
20:58.59Wizardyawns
20:59.23Wizardgod, gentoo installation is really boring if you do this for 100th time
21:00.04Wizardyou should really try it
21:00.13Wizardactually i convince everybody to try it
21:00.19Wizardto feel the power ;)
21:00.29AlexAnteMachinais it like arch install?
21:01.03Wizardhmm, arch install is simillar to slackware's one, prety simple
21:01.07Wizardgentoo does not have installer
21:01.20Wizardyou download/copy/edit everything by yourself
21:01.37AlexAnteMachinawaaaaaaa
21:01.55Wizard?
21:05.45DammitJimwhere is Thana?
21:05.49DammitJimI think he has abandoned us
21:05.53DammitJimit's been 9 months, hasn't it?
21:06.04AlexAnteMachina150 days
21:06.14DammitJim150 days since what/
21:06.44AlexAnteMachinaapt, seen thanatermesis
21:06.50aptthanatermesis <~unknown@unaffiliated/thanatermesis> was last seen on IRC in channel #elive, 148d 4h 48m 45s ago, saying: 'elmo40, busy with the internal tools, i can't do anything until finished'.
21:06.55WizardAlexAnteMachina will pick up the crown!
21:07.04AlexAnteMachina150 days
21:07.10AlexAnteMachinahuh? what crown?
21:07.14Wizardand the eagle coat of arms!
21:07.23Wizardelive's crown
21:07.33DammitJimno, I meant... abandoned elive
21:07.33AlexAnteMachinanever knew there was a crown
21:07.34DammitJimnot the channel
21:08.12Wizardi meant distro
21:08.13Wizard;P
21:08.47AlexAnteMachinadont need crowns. nice job and some money would do it.
21:10.58Wizardwonders if it's possible to hang his lcd vertically
21:11.02Wizard(coder's dream)
21:11.45Wizardwidescreen sux - longscreen rox ;P
21:11.59keyraWizard: The first thing to do if anything sucks is to report it to http://bugs.elivecd.org ! Or do you think things might get fixed magically without anybody knowing??
21:15.59AlexAnteMachinaapple used to offer such
21:16.52AlexAnteMachinashouldnt be too complicated, i guess.
21:17.05AlexAnteMachinaanything's just tilted 90°
21:17.06Wizardyeah, it isn't using xrandr
21:17.34Wizardthe only thing is my lcd has no holes/hooks/anything to be hanged in any position
21:18.38AlexAnteMachinawell, how about trying to tilt it 90° and in case it works thinking about mounting the screen
21:18.47AlexAnteMachinaor even getting another screen.
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21:19.48AlexAnteMachinavektorman, the greatest hero of the world!
21:20.24vektormanAlexAnteMachina, Hello!
21:21.01Wizardhi vektorman
21:21.06vektormanAlexAnteMachina, can I ask you somethung?
21:21.21AlexAnteMachinayou just did.
21:22.12vektormanAlexAnteMachina, I have installed iceweasel, konqueror, galeon and opera istalled on my PC
21:22.29keyravektorman: Konqueror is bloated! Do you want to turn Elive into a mess like the other Distros? Why using Elive then?
21:22.57Wizardwhoa
21:23.26vektormanWhen I open some mail in icedove and click on some link in it,
21:23.59vektormanicedove calls galeon and open the link in it
21:24.22vektormanbut I want to change galeon with iceweasel
21:24.41Wizardupdate-alternatives --set x-www-browser
21:24.44vektormancan you tell me how to do this?
21:24.45Wizardor something like this
21:25.16vektormanWizard, thank you
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21:34.32vektormanWizard, It works, thanks again
21:44.43Wizard;)
21:47.14AlexAnteMachinaahm...
21:47.52Wizard?
21:48.21AlexAnteMachinawhen installin firefox from the repos it copies files to several folders. when downloading firefox from the mozilla webiste its just a compressed folder containing anything needed.
21:48.35keyraAlexAnteMachina: microsoft says that a folder is something between the desktop and the trash, just in face of your books and pencils
21:48.41AlexAnteMachinaso why is that?
21:48.51kingdonfhs
21:49.12kingdonit's proper for binaries to go in /usr/bin and other files to go in /usr/share
21:49.20kingdonand nothing in /opt unless you meant to keep it separate
21:49.36AlexAnteMachinaand how do I know which files go where?
21:49.46kingdoncompiled software under test are probably going to go in /usr/local/...
21:49.54kingdonyou shouldn't need to
21:50.10kingdonif you're installing packages, just expect the binary to be in /usr/bin which is in your path
21:50.17kingdondpkg -L packagename
21:50.24kingdonif you simply must know where they've gone
21:50.39AlexAnteMachinayou know, icedove in elives repos is very outdated
21:50.39kingdonthere is a FHS guide in debian manuals if you are trying to make up packages
21:50.48AlexAnteMachinaso i downloaded latest firefox.
21:50.55kingdoneverything in elive's repos is practically as old as debian lenny
21:51.08AlexAnteMachinafirfox works well, but i cannot really set it as default browser
21:51.10keyrakingdon: Debian repos are included BY DEFAULT on Elive :), but don't modify the repositories of Elive, that's a ugly thing that broke systems
21:51.37kingdonyeah, i don't know how you're supposed to integrate it with system choices
21:51.50kingdonim going to try exherbo soon
21:52.19AlexAnteMachinaicedove calles iceweasel, but evolution calles firefox. why is that and how can i make both calling firefox?
21:53.07AlexAnteMachinaalready checked evolutions settings but cant find anything useful. maybe there is a conf file somewhere.
21:53.19kingdonyou could update the symlinks manually
21:53.31kingdon/usr/bin/iceweasel
21:53.36kingdonls -l /usr/bin/iceweasel
21:53.48kingdonthe binaries are really somewhere else
21:53.53kingdonso,,,..
21:54.09kingdonln -sf /location/of/preferred/firefox /usr/bin/iceweasel
21:54.44Wizardor use stow
21:55.05kingdonstow might help
21:55.23kingdoni don't remember if the firefox package from mozilla is organized neatly for stow
21:55.38kingdoni think they just leave a mess of files in some directory
21:55.42kingdonno bin/
22:03.41AlexAnteMachinaconfusing
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22:19.57Wizardkingdon: no, it does not help
22:20.16Wizardit mostly helps when you build something from source by hand
22:20.34Wizard(for example trunk vrsions of software) ;P
22:21.30neybeysure yeah
22:21.56neybeyi was just loading up exherbo
22:22.09neybeyso i'll be firing up the compilers soon
22:22.26neybeyit's going into chroot, until i'm ready to put a kernel into it
22:22.54neybeywow this home internet is great
22:23.01neybeyi'll have episodes of dexter in no time
22:23.23kingdon<-neybey
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22:28.06Wizardexebro? paludis oriented distro?
22:28.47Wizardwouldn't be better to use gentoo+paludis?
22:28.53Wizardi mean portage+paludis? :P
22:32.40kingdoni don't really know?
22:32.56kingdoni think that the exherbo guys are really in an antagonistic relationship with the portage guys
22:33.00kingdonand the gentoo guys
22:33.24Wizardknows many people who use paludis on gentoo/portage
22:33.33Wizardportage has many advantages
22:33.43kingdontell me bout it
22:33.50kingdoni have a lot of screens right now, this is great
22:33.51kingdonlol
22:34.06Wizardheh, so you've never used gentoo?
22:34.21kingdoni used emerge back in the day
22:34.23kingdon2004?
22:34.27kingdonnah 2005
22:34.42Wizardah, just like me
22:35.02Wizardnow i considered that the only way to figure out hardware problems is to install gentoo
22:36.11kingdonlol
22:36.15kingdontry android-x86
22:36.23kingdonthere you will reallly have to debug it for yourself,
22:36.44kingdonprobably for the first time, anyone runs android-x86 on your hardware and knows how it's put together well enough to make the kernel config
22:37.56Wizardkingdon: no, thank you
22:38.10Wizardi will keep my ass far from googles products
22:38.20Wizardwhich is harder and harder everyday
22:45.19kingdonlol
22:45.23kingdoni will try it myself
22:45.45kingdonand i will tell that brian ostergaard that he is a liar, if you are right
22:45.57kingdonhe told me it was better :D
22:46.04kingdonat a presentation day once at RIT
22:46.09Wizardbuehehe :D
22:46.19Wizardi didn't say it's better
22:46.49Wizardi only see that exhebro has smaller repo
22:46.52kingdonthis openvpn is really better
22:47.03kingdonso, i might have to make my own ....
22:47.05kingdonexheres?
22:47.09kingdonwhat are they even called
22:47.19Wizardnah, i'm not sure
22:47.39Wizardexhebro
22:47.45kingdonexhebrew
22:48.05Wizardi didn't know this distro comes from Israel
22:48.27Wizardbtw, if you like compilation and build, sourcemage is cool also :)
22:50.23neybeyi was going to install sourcemage also :D
22:50.31neybeyit's further down on my list because i haven't met the inventor
22:50.44Wizardbuahaha
22:51.36Wizardneither, they forked sorcerer linux
22:51.58Wizardthere was the second linux distro fiorked from sorcerer
22:52.01Wizardhmm…
22:52.08Wizardwith an owl in a logo
22:52.41Wizardhmm…
22:52.44Wizardlunar!
22:53.23neybeyto the moon!
22:53.34Wizardto the bed, rather
22:53.42Wizardit's allmost midnight here :D
22:54.06Wizardthanks for interesting chat and see you
22:54.09Wizardafk
22:54.21neybeycheers :)
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