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05:02.09Elive_user62_engah, sorry
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09:33.09Wizardtook a day off
09:33.10Wizard:P
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19:54.16AlexAnteMachinahey Wizard
20:00.48Wizardhi AlexAnteMachina
20:00.53Wizardwhat's up?
20:02.47AlexAnteMachinahey
20:02.54AlexAnteMachinai got beer!
20:02.58AlexAnteMachinan cigarettes
20:03.11AlexAnteMachinacome over
20:04.01AlexAnteMachinai also offer lots of computer stuff lying around my apprtment
20:04.09AlexAnteMachinageekworld
20:04.11AlexAnteMachinagg
20:06.13Wizardi got an appartment
20:06.24Wizardjust got the keys
20:06.39Wizardand also beer - Ciechan Miodowe currently
20:07.27AlexAnteMachinakeys and beer... i prefer the beer
20:07.37AlexAnteMachinakeys arent yummy
20:08.25AlexAnteMachinatried installing jolicould on a hp pavillion dv5000.... this damn thing always fucks up a 28 percent.
20:08.36AlexAnteMachinabut dont know how to get some logfile
20:09.26AlexAnteMachinalooked up their website - no useful info. asked in their irc - no response.
20:09.30AlexAnteMachinajust like elive!
20:10.13Wizard:D
20:10.19Wizardeasypeasy?
20:10.26AlexAnteMachinano, jolicloud
20:10.50AlexAnteMachinawww.jolicloud.com
20:10.56AlexAnteMachinaits nice
20:11.11AlexAnteMachinamade from ubuntu
20:11.20AlexAnteMachinaoffering a html5 desktop
20:12.09AlexAnteMachinahughe button-like icons.
20:12.20AlexAnteMachinavery nice on netbooks and for noobs.
20:13.37AlexAnteMachinasome french ubuntu-developer forked it
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20:19.19Wizardnah
20:19.37Wizardi would use debian with lxde or something on small screen
20:19.46Wizardprobably wmii/dwm
20:21.41AlexAnteMachinaits different.
20:21.55AlexAnteMachinau should have a look.
20:25.01Wizardi did, it sucks :>
20:25.15Wizardbecause of html, mostly
20:25.38Wizardwin98 has something simmilar, it was called an active desktop
20:25.53Wizardyou could place html on desktop
20:25.54Wizardcool
20:27.17Wizardram usage = ram usage x 2
20:30.03AlexAnteMachinalol
20:30.12AlexAnteMachinait aint that bad
20:30.25AlexAnteMachinavery quick and responsive
20:31.04AlexAnteMachinaim using it on a netbook
20:31.59Wizard:/
20:37.26AlexAnteMachinanah... dont look at me like a slash
20:38.01Wizardno, i just think that such ideas are crazy
20:38.10Wizardand pointless
20:38.31Wizardit's like writing windowmanager in java
20:38.43Wizardoops, actually sun did it, but nobodu used that
20:39.05Wizardand it was ugly
20:39.08WizardUGLY!!!!
20:40.39AlexAnteMachinawell well
20:40.53AlexAnteMachinarelax.
20:41.17AlexAnteMachinayou should see it as a natural development
20:41.27AlexAnteMachinalike evolution
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20:41.58AlexAnteMachinanew things start, grow.... and die if not succesfull
20:42.18AlexAnteMachinathat's the great thing about linux
20:42.34AlexAnteMachinathere is no forced development
20:42.48AlexAnteMachinaits a natural forking and growing
20:44.34Wizardno, it is not natural
20:44.41AlexAnteMachinaoh, and dying, of course.
20:44.46AlexAnteMachinasure its is.
20:45.04AlexAnteMachinaits very natural
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20:51.03AlexAnteMachinawell, i guess ill try some buntu like easypeasy
20:52.29Wizardeasypeasy was shitty also
20:52.40AlexAnteMachinawas it?
20:52.58Wizardyup, it uses that crappy iface from netbook remix
20:53.08AlexAnteMachinai get a feeling everything i mention will be rejected by you
20:53.26Wizardi'm a conservatis in case of software, sorry :<
20:54.13AlexAnteMachinafor some reason this is very common
20:56.40Wizardbut my conservatism evolves ;P
20:57.10AlexAnteMachinasometimes you sound like a good friend of mine who works for SAP
20:57.40Wizardah, interesting point!
20:58.07Wizardit happened to me when i started to actually write software
20:58.12Wizardthis is crazy :D
21:01.36AlexAnteMachinacoding makes you become more conservative?
21:02.16Wizardi think so
21:03.15AlexAnteMachinastrange
21:03.26AlexAnteMachinawell, ill find out
21:04.54Wizardand since kde4 i started to miss old software
21:05.31AlexAnteMachinahuh?
21:05.47AlexAnteMachinay not using something else?
21:05.56AlexAnteMachinanobody makes you using kde4
21:06.30AlexAnteMachinaxfce for example is nice
21:08.28AlexAnteMachinawhy dont you focus more on the free software foundation?
21:08.50Wizardi will
21:09.09AlexAnteMachinanice to hear that!
21:09.12Wizardjust after graduation
21:09.24AlexAnteMachinagives you the freedom you are looking for.
21:09.26AlexAnteMachina:)
21:09.28Wizardyup
21:09.44Wizardi think Aros is a good and promising software
21:09.51AlexAnteMachinanever heard of
21:10.43Wizardif i wanted to join some unix project it would be lxde
21:11.07Wizardor e17
21:11.36AlexAnteMachinayep, nice idea. and then put in your ideas and visions
21:11.38Wizardbut e17 needs a leader and i have no time
21:12.02AlexAnteMachinaisnt rasterman its leader?
21:12.23AlexAnteMachinahumm... lets see.... maybe we can find a leader in small austrian village
21:13.23AlexAnteMachinaoh, there are some obsolete muslim leaders. maybe they need jobs!?
21:16.15Wizardeh…
21:16.51Wizardno, e17 is a project which didn't produced consistent *idea* for 10(?) years of development
21:17.32AlexAnteMachinawasnt e17 an idea by itself?
21:17.52Wizardthey change their mind so often, that the only stable (i doubt that) code they released are EFL
21:18.13Wizardand EFL is what happend occasionaly
21:18.20Wizardgod damn it, that's weird
21:18.27AlexAnteMachinalol
21:18.54AlexAnteMachinathat's natural evolution
21:19.14Wizardxfce is a pretty interesting software
21:19.55Wizardit's a fast, efficient and pretty usable desktop… for geeks
21:20.12AlexAnteMachinaxfce also works for noobs.
21:20.32Wizardyup, my wife uses it and likes it
21:21.01Wizardbut it's very inconsistent in some places
21:21.02AlexAnteMachinai installed linux mint with xfce on a friends computer who's a real noob.
21:21.07AlexAnteMachinaShe was happy.
21:21.24AlexAnteMachinaPrefered it over windows
21:21.37Wizardactually, my father was using freebsd with xfce for more than half year and didn't complain
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21:21.59Wizardthe only thing xfce miss is consistency
21:22.04AlexAnteMachinawell, does that speak out for your father or for xfce?
21:22.12Wizardfor xfce
21:22.18Wizardpretty damn good software
21:22.19AlexAnteMachinahmmkay
21:22.32Wizardwell written, needs polishing here or there
21:22.45Wizardactually i miss only one plugin
21:22.57AlexAnteMachinaa soft pussy?
21:23.26Wizardno, combined launchers combined with iconbox
21:23.35AlexAnteMachinahuh?
21:24.43Wizarduh, sorry
21:24.53Wizardlaunchers combined with iconbox
21:25.29Wizardso it is a launcher when app is not runnning
21:25.45AlexAnteMachinasorry. still dont get it.
21:25.58Wizardwhen the app is running it shows menu(?) of windows of that app
21:26.10Wizardnah, just like os x dock does it
21:26.10AlexAnteMachinalike in osx?
21:26.18Wizardbut without fancy effects
21:26.20Wizardyup
21:26.33Wizardit would be great for small monitors
21:26.36AlexAnteMachinathe dock? isnt the upper bar holding that information?
21:26.48Wizardno, not at all
21:27.01AlexAnteMachinahummm...
21:27.11AlexAnteMachinagoes getting another beer.
21:27.32AlexAnteMachinain czech they call it kvasnice, i think.
21:27.55AlexAnteMachinapretty sure i misspelled it.
21:28.38Wizardyeast?
21:29.52AlexAnteMachinayep
21:30.02AlexAnteMachinaspecial kind of beer
21:30.26Wizardhmm, what makes it special?
21:30.35AlexAnteMachinaits yeast!
21:30.46AlexAnteMachinatastes completely different
21:31.12Wizardit's unfiltered and still has yeast sediment?
21:31.20AlexAnteMachinayep
21:31.37AlexAnteMachinabut there is also filtered one called cristal
21:32.02AlexAnteMachinaits made using a special proccess
21:32.06AlexAnteMachinadunno how.
21:32.09Wizard:D
21:32.12AlexAnteMachinaim not a brewer
21:32.27AlexAnteMachinathere used to be a brewer in here
21:32.35AlexAnteMachinasome italian guy
21:34.11AlexAnteMachinahttp://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weissbier
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21:34.44Wizardah!
21:34.51AlexAnteMachinathis article is available in english too
21:35.04Wizardpiwo pszeniczne!
21:35.11Wizardof course i know it
21:35.16AlexAnteMachina:)
21:35.19AlexAnteMachinayummy
21:35.40Wizardmy friend brews the best wheat beer i've ever drunk
21:36.39Wizarddrinks Czarne Miodowe
21:37.21AlexAnteMachinasounds like "dark...something"
21:37.38Wizardhttp://www.piwarium.pl/piwo.php?id=143
21:37.51Wizardblack honey
21:37.57Wizardliterally
21:39.14Wizardthat brewerey (Frater) makes awesome beers
21:39.39AlexAnteMachinalool
21:39.42AlexAnteMachinahere...
21:40.24Wizardnah, not Frater, Fortuna :D
21:40.34AlexAnteMachinafirst and 5-8th are at my place: http://www.piwarium.pl/piwa.php?id=de
21:40.57AlexAnteMachina5-7 are right around the corner
21:41.20Wizard:)
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21:42.39Wizardhttp://www.smokiwkrakowie.pl/tapety/Srebrny_Smok_1280x960.jpg
21:42.46Wizardthis is my favourite beer
21:42.53Wizardpretty damn good lager
21:43.02Wizardrare in Łódź, unfortunately
21:43.20Wizardliterally "silver dragon" ;P
21:43.50AlexAnteMachinayou absolutely need to taste this one: http://www.piwarium.pl/piwo.php?id=563
21:44.07Wizardah, marcowe
21:44.14Wizardyummy
21:44.29AlexAnteMachinatastes like bacon
21:44.37Wizardlol
21:44.42AlexAnteMachinano shit!
21:44.55Wizardbest march beer i've drunk is also from "smok" series
21:45.20Wizardand it's also rare (can't wait for autumn:P)
21:45.54AlexAnteMachinain case you come to my area you'll need to tate "Schlenkerla"
21:46.20Wizardhmm
21:46.20AlexAnteMachinaits taste will knock you off of your fee!
21:46.32Wizardi wonder how much a packege to Germany costs
21:46.47Wizardunfortunately sending bottles is risky
21:46.54AlexAnteMachinayep
21:47.04AlexAnteMachinathats y sending bottles is expensive
21:47.20Wizardmy wife took beer in air luggage :D
21:47.28Wizardto Sweden
21:47.47AlexAnteMachinalol...worst shipping rates i ever seen been to guyana
21:47.56Wizardbeers survived and were considered damn good
21:48.13Wizardlol, PrinceAMD wanted some european alcohol?
21:48.30AlexAnteMachinawanted to send him some bavarian beer mug
21:48.47Wizardah, cool
21:48.55Wizardi also wanted something like this
21:49.01Wizardbut it's pretty common in Poland
21:49.03AlexAnteMachinayou know, the so called "Mass".
21:49.18AlexAnteMachinacontaining 1 liter.
21:49.45Wizardit's a 1 liter mug with a cup, right?
21:49.47AlexAnteMachinaits original held only 0.9x
21:49.54Wizardglass or metal
21:49.59AlexAnteMachinaa cup?
21:50.04Wizarduh
21:50.08AlexAnteMachinaits made of glass
21:50.14AlexAnteMachinaand a handle
21:50.20AlexAnteMachinaits got a handle
21:50.46AlexAnteMachinaits very common in southern bavaria
21:51.02AlexAnteMachinahere in northern bavaria we rarely use them
21:51.04Wizardah, just an ordinary beer mug?
21:51.26Wizardglass, with vertical reliefs and a handle?
21:51.39Wizardavailable in every polish bar? :D
21:51.42AlexAnteMachinahttp://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ma%C3%9Fkrug
21:51.44AlexAnteMachinathis one
21:51.54Wizardyup!
21:52.00Wizardcalled kufel here
21:52.12AlexAnteMachinalol
21:52.14AlexAnteMachinakufel
21:52.19Wizardi'm sure the word has german origin ;P
21:52.19AlexAnteMachinafunny word
21:52.30Wizardor czech
21:52.38AlexAnteMachinasounds like german word for "cowfur"
21:52.42AlexAnteMachinaKuhfell
21:53.09AlexAnteMachinawell, im sure its an old word
21:53.23AlexAnteMachinaold words are always funny and interesting.
21:53.27Wizardlol, http://pl.wiktionary.org/wiki/kufel
21:53.35Wizardyidish…
21:53.39AlexAnteMachinalike the czech word hranice
21:54.07AlexAnteMachinai cant remember its history, but once i was told it, so I'll never forget that word!
21:55.20Wizarddoes it mean "borders"?
21:55.40AlexAnteMachinaborder, yes
21:55.52AlexAnteMachinalol...Panie barman!
21:55.59Wizardwith e it's plural, i'm damn sure
21:56.06AlexAnteMachinano
21:56.19Wizardplural or declination
21:56.38AlexAnteMachinau may look it up
21:57.00AlexAnteMachinabarman, the typical polish word.
21:57.09Wizard:/
21:57.27AlexAnteMachinau also use vikend?
21:57.38Wizardnot my fault poles assimilate every dumb germanic word
21:57.41Wizard:(
21:57.45AlexAnteMachinalol
21:57.47Wizardyup, we use
21:57.50AlexAnteMachinanah... relax
21:57.58Wizard;)
21:58.09AlexAnteMachinai just find it funny
21:58.12AlexAnteMachinathats all
21:58.24Wizardi find it annoying
21:58.37Wizard"mógłbyś mi wysłać ten review?"
21:58.40Wizardmakes me sick
21:58.53AlexAnteMachinawhen i first found the word vikend in cz i though theyd pull my leg
21:59.15Wizardthat's why i call lunch 'hirugohan' and weekend 'wychodne'
21:59.45AlexAnteMachinaoh, i think there is a similar word in cz to wychodne
21:59.51Wizardfirst is japanese, secind is an assimilated russian word
22:00.12Wizardin russian it's выходное (vychodnoe)
22:00.24Wizardmeans weekend or day off
22:00.30AlexAnteMachinapoor guys. you got no end of the week.
22:00.33AlexAnteMachina:(
22:00.41Wizardyep, i wonder why!
22:00.50AlexAnteMachinawork work work always work
22:00.55AlexAnteMachinapoor you
22:01.10Wizardmaybe because during communist era saturday was an usual workday?
22:01.21AlexAnteMachinadunno. you'd ask some historic
22:01.41AlexAnteMachinanah....
22:01.56Wizardi asked my mother, she agreed with my theories
22:02.56Wizardactually, my mother's pretty good in humanistic sciences
22:03.25Wizardfor me it's a blasphemy placing humanistic and science in one line ;P
22:05.55AlexAnteMachinawhy did i know that before you wrote it?
22:06.00AlexAnteMachina;)
22:06.13Wizard:D
22:06.59Wizardomg, this should be fortuned
22:07.09AlexAnteMachinahuh?
22:07.40AlexAnteMachinawell, as long as you dont appear in my dreams you neednt be afraid.
22:09.07Wizardo_O
22:09.33Wizardgood that i didn't have got a camera when we chatted on skype
22:09.33AlexAnteMachinayep
22:09.44AlexAnteMachinay?
22:09.50AlexAnteMachinano need to
22:11.11AlexAnteMachinau know...  sometimes i got strange dreams.....and a year or two later I find myselfe in this very strange situation i dreamed of.
22:11.47AlexAnteMachinacant do a thing about it. it just happens. and yes, i know it souds crazy.
22:11.58AlexAnteMachinaeven to me.
22:12.25Wizardit's not rare
22:13.05Wizardhuman brain is capable of predicting future basing on known facts
22:13.16AlexAnteMachinathe point i got acared was when i predicted lotto numbers.
22:13.26Wizardoops
22:13.34AlexAnteMachinaoops.. scared. i got scared.
22:13.48Wizardok, that's not what i wanted to say
22:14.07Wizardcould you repeat that trick in tommorows bet? :>
22:14.11AlexAnteMachinai predicted lotto numbers for fun when i was about 15. and had 4 of 6 fitting!
22:14.33AlexAnteMachinait scared the shit out of me.
22:15.11Wizardhmm, predicted that how? in dream?
22:15.20AlexAnteMachinahumm... i guess i could try.
22:15.31Wizardok, give a shot
22:15.41AlexAnteMachinabut need some weeks of training.
22:15.51Wizardhmm
22:15.52AlexAnteMachinait's about to get a feeling.
22:15.57Wizardthan give me a sign
22:16.15AlexAnteMachinalike "this number feels like it could fit"
22:16.26Wizardbut if it's about dreaming and than facing simmilar situation than it's normal
22:16.31Wizardeverybody does that
22:16.36AlexAnteMachinaand after about 4 weeks training i had 4 perfekt numbers.
22:16.45Wizarddamn
22:16.51Wizardi wish i could try it
22:16.54Wizard:D
22:17.18AlexAnteMachinayou'd bite your ass if you had cirrect numbers just for training!
22:17.59Wizardok, start training
22:18.12Wizardi'm gonna buy lotto ticket when you'll be ready
22:19.59AlexAnteMachinayou know, we used to have a tv magazine with littel boxes to fill in the lotto numbers. that's what i used for training.
22:20.23Wizardhehe
22:20.48AlexAnteMachinaguess how i would feel in case id hit it?
22:21.15AlexAnteMachinaand not winnig because not having bought and filled up a ticket?
22:21.41Wizardok
22:21.49Wizardyou will guess numbers
22:22.01Wizardi will pay 1,50zł (or whatever it cost)
22:22.10Wizardand if i win, half is yours
22:22.13Wizarddeal?
22:22.17AlexAnteMachinalol
22:22.27AlexAnteMachinaits 5 or 6 euro at least
22:25.33Wizardprices starts from 3zł
22:25.45Wizardi don't know how much euro costs now
22:25.45AlexAnteMachinaat your place
22:25.48Wizardyup
22:25.57Wizardthat's what i'm talking about
22:26.04AlexAnteMachinak
22:26.09Wizardguessing numbers in polish lotto ;P
22:26.22Wizard6 of 49, iirc
22:26.31AlexAnteMachinacould work if i could watch olish tv
22:26.55AlexAnteMachina6 out of 49, like here
22:27.06AlexAnteMachinawhat's "iirc"?
22:27.14Wizardif i recall corectly
22:27.33Wizardinstal bsdgames package and issue "wft is iirc" in terminal ;P
22:27.50AlexAnteMachina?
22:28.20AlexAnteMachinabsd? bondage submission and domination-games?
22:29.35Wizardberkeley software distribution
22:29.44Wizardnah, still aware of my bsd hordes?
22:30.48Wizardk, i should go to sleep
22:30.53Wizardsee you
22:30.55AlexAnteMachiname too
22:30.57AlexAnteMachinanight
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