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| 20:26.17 | Elive_webchat4 | Hello? |
| 20:26.31 | Aemy | Hey! |
| 20:28.06 | Elive_webchat4 | Well, seems the channel is a bit inactive most of time. It's good to see someone here. |
| 20:28.27 | Aemy | I always reply when I'm not away :) |
| 20:29.36 | Elive_webchat4 | Actually I was wondering if this is a good place to ask for a bit of help. |
| 20:30.23 | Aemy | That depends on whether I have enough knowledge to help or not ^^ |
| 20:30.50 | Aemy | Because I'm usually the only one helping on the channel |
| 20:31.17 | Aemy | And if I can't solve the problem, I tell people to ask on the forum or email Thanatermesis |
| 20:32.04 | Elive_webchat4 | Well, firstly, what graphic driver does Elive install by default? Is it something configured in that LONG tunning process right after installation? |
| 20:32.28 | Elive_webchat4 | I have an internal ATI Radeon HD 2100. |
| 20:33.15 | Elive_webchat4 | I ask because I wonder if fglrx would work to get Ecomorph working and some 3D acceleration for some Wine games... |
| 20:33.42 | Aemy | fglrx works only with the old kernel as far as I know |
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| 20:33.56 | keyra | Aemy: fglrx SUCKS, it's broken by design, I'm sure M$ gave money to ATI just to make bad drivers for linux |
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| 20:34.25 | Elive_webchat6 | Sorry, disconected... |
| 20:34.33 | Aemy | I was saying |
| 20:34.39 | Aemy | fglrx works only with the old kernel as far as I know |
| 20:35.05 | Elive_webchat6 | Ouch... |
| 20:35.43 | Aemy | Because, I'm quoting keyra, "fglrx SUCKS, it's broken by design, I'm sure M$ gave money to ATI just to make bad drivers for linux" |
| 20:36.41 | Elive_webchat6 | Then I have no support for Ecomorph. When trying the LiveCD on a PC with Nvidia I activated Ecomorph and it did work. |
| 20:36.48 | Elive_webchat6 | But that was another PC. |
| 20:37.07 | Aemy | Well I guess that if you're not afraid of broking/reinstalling your system, you could try |
| 20:37.35 | Elive_webchat6 | Or try it from the LiveCD so I don't break my system? |
| 20:37.52 | Aemy | Yeah, and eventually get the old kernel iso and try with it too |
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| 20:40.53 | Elive_webchat6 | Well, and on the other hand, I have already fixed the repos with the link in the news site. Do those repos work as automatic updates? |
| 20:41.33 | Aemy | Argh, I meant breaking >.< I really should stop editing a message and sending without reading it again. |
| 20:41.54 | Elive_webchat6 | It happens. |
| 20:42.01 | Aemy | Um, yeah |
| 20:42.12 | Aemy | What do you mean automatic updates? |
| 20:42.44 | Elive_webchat6 | The ones openSUSE has, for example. |
| 20:42.49 | Aemy | You have to run apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 20:43.03 | keyra | Aemy: if you want to upgrade your elive system to a newest one without reinstall, this is not totally possible... because a lot of features are added in the 'process' (boot, configurations, detections, updates, install features, etc) and not just the packages, read the changelog of the releases so you can see the new features added and decide what you do |
| 20:43.14 | Aemy | Shut up keyra -_- |
| 20:44.34 | Elive_webchat6 | Is it dangerous to add repos from Debian? |
| 20:44.49 | keyra | Elive_webchat6: Debian is the SH%$T my friend ! |
| 20:44.55 | Aemy | Yeah |
| 20:45.03 | Aemy | That will definitely break the system |
| 20:45.33 | Aemy | And actually you already have them in the Elive repos |
| 20:45.45 | Elive_webchat6 | So I have to remain with only those 2 Elive repos... |
| 20:46.10 | Elive_webchat6 | In my sources.list I only have 2 Elive repos, just as the fixer left them. |
| 20:46.27 | Aemy | Mhm |
| 20:46.31 | Elive_webchat6 | Guess they're the ones I have to use overall? |
| 20:46.50 | Aemy | Why do you want other repos? |
| 20:48.23 | Elive_webchat6 | For installing other software. I'm normally an openSUSE user for now because it's the first distro I learned. But I'm learning Debian, and Elive recently. |
| 20:48.34 | Elive_webchat6 | And on Suse, I use a repo called Packman, for example. |
| 20:49.16 | Aemy | Well if you have a repo for a specific program, that is compatible with Debian Lenny, and which will not update anything else, you can add it |
| 20:49.27 | Elive_webchat6 | Also for looking for more updated software and if possible updating the installed software. |
| 20:49.44 | Aemy | That's the problem with Elive :/ |
| 20:49.51 | Elive_webchat6 | ?? |
| 20:50.24 | Aemy | It's based on Lenny so if you update something to a newer version, it will break something |
| 20:51.22 | Elive_webchat6 | I think I forgot to mention I'm using Zeitgeist version for now, before getting the module to install 2.0. |
| 20:52.09 | Aemy | It's still based on 1.xx ? |
| 20:52.19 | Elive_webchat6 | And for example, Wine has now a recent stable version (1.2), while in Elive repos I find up to 1.0. |
| 20:52.24 | Aemy | I never used Zeitgeist |
| 20:52.43 | Elive_webchat6 | I only know that Zeitgeist is version 1.9.63. |
| 20:52.54 | Aemy | Right |
| 20:53.02 | Elive_webchat6 | I think the last beta/RC just before 2.0. |
| 20:53.11 | Aemy | Mhm |
| 20:53.18 | Elive_webchat6 | Why? |
| 20:53.38 | Aemy | Did you try the liveCD of 2.0? |
| 20:54.28 | Aemy | I don't have Elive here right now, so I can't check if it's more recent or not |
| 20:54.47 | Elive_webchat6 | Not yet. Sorry, I actually haven't spent quite much time on Zeitgeist, and I haven't tryied 2.0 yet... |
| 20:55.11 | Elive_webchat6 | *tried |
| 20:55.43 | Aemy | Well you should try it, maybe Ecomorph will work proprely |
| 20:56.02 | Aemy | (at the same time remember it's an experimental feature0 |
| 20:56.18 | Aemy | *) |
| 20:56.25 | Elive_webchat6 | Yes, and probably an ATI Radeon 2100 is not that good card, is it? |
| 20:57.17 | Aemy | Well probably not the best, yeah |
| 20:57.59 | Aemy | You should try both 2.0 new and old kernels |
| 20:58.12 | Aemy | And hopefully one of them will be better |
| 21:00.03 | Elive_webchat6 | Elive is not precisely designed to be up to date, is it? |
| 21:00.13 | Elive_webchat6 | For now, at least... |
| 21:00.32 | Aemy | It's going to be redesigned so I think it will be updated at the same time |
| 21:00.45 | Aemy | But I have no idea how advanced is this project |
| 21:01.17 | Elive_webchat6 | Many Linux forums claim it's even halted. |
| 21:02.09 | Elive_webchat6 | But nothing like asking its community for their opinion. |
| 21:02.36 | Aemy | I agree that it looks like it's dying, but Thanatermesis is still working on it, and he told me last month that he was looking for people to help him for the redesign |
| 21:03.15 | Aemy | Hmm, maybe a little bit more than a month now... |
| 21:03.19 | Aemy | apt, seen Thanatermesis |
| 21:03.26 | apt | thanatermesis <~unknown@unaffiliated/thanatermesis> was last seen on IRC in channel #elive, 57d 5h 51m 42s ago, saying: 'poner un anuncio sobre eso en la pagina de Elive es un poco irrelevante, ya que hay muchos usuarios de Elive y muy pocos se meten en el irc'. |
| 21:03.41 | Aemy | Ah well, about two months then :p |
| 21:03.51 | Aemy | Time flies |
| 21:04.59 | Elive_webchat6 | Hey, I thought apt was a bot... |
| 21:05.12 | Aemy | Hehehe |
| 21:05.25 | Elive_webchat6 | Is that a "no"? |
| 21:05.43 | Aemy | Yeah it's a bot |
| 21:05.56 | Aemy | I just mean that this makes two of them |
| 21:06.12 | Elive_webchat6 | Who's the other bot? |
| 21:06.23 | Aemy | keyra is the other bot :) |
| 21:06.37 | keyra | Aemy: you think so? |
| 21:07.10 | Aemy | keyra: silly robot :) |
| 21:07.24 | keyra | Aemy: bot |
| 21:07.37 | Aemy | keyra: silly bot if you prefer. |
| 21:07.52 | keyra | Aemy: me? |
| 21:08.12 | Aemy | keyra: yeah you |
| 21:08.16 | Elive_webchat6 | Ouch... now I got a bit confused, because I don't know much about bots. If apt is one of them, how can you ask them questions? |
| 21:08.29 | Aemy | It's configured to do that |
| 21:08.36 | Aemy | apt: How's life ? |
| 21:08.43 | Aemy | Hmm... |
| 21:08.55 | Aemy | apt, how are you ? |
| 21:08.56 | apt | Aemy: what are you talking about? |
| 21:09.12 | Aemy | apt, you're just a dumb machine |
| 21:09.39 | Elive_webchat6 | Ah, now I see a bit of the syntax. |
| 21:09.57 | Elive_webchat6 | keyra, hello? |
| 21:10.12 | keyra | Elive_webchat6: hi |
| 21:11.05 | Elive_webchat6 | keyra, you are not a bot are you ? |
| 21:11.19 | Elive_webchat6 | (No offense to anyone) |
| 21:11.19 | keyra | Elive_webchat6: A bot? me? |
| 21:11.25 | Elive_webchat6 | keyra, yes |
| 21:11.40 | keyra | Elive_webchat6: :) |
| 21:11.46 | Elive_webchat6 | ?? |
| 21:12.28 | Aemy | lol |
| 21:12.38 | Aemy | keyra: good bot |
| 21:12.53 | keyra | Aemy: I'm NOT a bot...what are you smoking!? |
| 21:13.02 | Elive_webchat6 | I will take that as a "no". |
| 21:13.54 | Aemy | To what question? |
| 21:14.09 | Elive_webchat6 | Smoking weed isn't that bad if you have neurons you don't use and you need to cleanse. |
| 21:14.31 | Elive_webchat6 | My question wether Keyra was a bot. |
| 21:14.40 | Aemy | It's a bot. |
| 21:15.02 | Elive_webchat6 | Keyra: de profundis clamavi ad te. |
| 21:15.14 | Elive_webchat6 | Aemy: WTF? |
| 21:15.24 | Aemy | What? |
| 21:15.49 | Elive_webchat6 | ... |
| 21:15.53 | Elive_webchat6 | Never mind. |
| 21:16.14 | Aemy | keyra is a stupid bot... |
| 21:16.28 | keyra | Aemy: Im NOT stupid, im binary, im not random, im pure, so.... you stupid human full of errors :P |
| 21:16.34 | Aemy | See. |
| 21:16.46 | Elive_webchat6 | I see. |
| 21:16.56 | Aemy | keyra: corrupt |
| 21:17.11 | keyra | Aemy: i love windows ! i love ubuntu ! i love all of them and my pocket too ! |
| 21:17.23 | Elive_webchat6 | Anyway, are there too much differences between Zeitgeist and 2.0? |
| 21:18.15 | Aemy | Honestly I don't know... I never used Zeitgeist and I don't really remember the difference of the last development versions |
| 21:19.45 | Elive_webchat6 | What could I do if I wanted to keep the Elive installation up to date? The more possible. |
| 21:20.02 | Elive_webchat6 | Can I really do this through its Elive default repos? |
| 21:20.35 | Aemy | The only thing you can do to have the most recent versions as possible is to run apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 21:20.43 | Aemy | You can't really update it more than that |
| 21:20.50 | keyra | Aemy: if you want to upgrade your elive system to a newest one without reinstall, this is not totally possible... because a lot of features are added in the 'process' (boot, configurations, detections, updates, install features, etc) and not just the packages, read the changelog of the releases so you can see the new features added and decide what you do |
| 21:21.20 | Aemy | keyra: you're annoying -_- |
| 21:21.34 | keyra | Aemy: Do you know any perl coder that want to touch my internal parts ? :) |
| 21:21.56 | Aemy | Python is better :D |
| 21:22.18 | Elive_webchat6 | And using apt-get upgrade is safe? |
| 21:22.25 | Elive_webchat6 | Doesn't break anything? |
| 21:22.34 | Aemy | Yeah, since it uses the sources.list |
| 21:22.44 | Aemy | And you didn't modify it. |
| 21:25.49 | Elive_webchat6 | So then I should only use the Elive repos which come in the sources.list, right? |
| 21:25.59 | Aemy | Precisely |
| 21:27.36 | Aemy | If you do it differently you might have problems |
| 21:27.51 | keyra | Aemy: who has problems ? windows has problems, ubuntu has problems, the world has problems! but not Elive :) |
| 21:28.32 | Aemy | Well Elive has problems too. |
| 21:36.19 | Elive_webchat6 | So if I want to install other software or more updated software, do I have to do it from source? Namely Wine. |
| 21:37.28 | Aemy | Yeah, apt-get install wine |
| 21:38.16 | Elive_webchat6 | Wine is by default installed, but it's a VERY old vesion. |
| 21:38.35 | Elive_webchat6 | Even when I apt-get update latest Wine available is 1.0.x. |
| 21:38.43 | Aemy | It's the one that came with Debian 5... |
| 21:38.54 | Elive_webchat6 | Latest stable is 1.2.3 and latest dev is 1.3.20. |
| 21:38.58 | keyra | Aemy: Debian is the SH%$T my friend ! |
| 21:39.00 | Elive_webchat6 | Mm... |
| 21:39.39 | Elive_webchat6 | So Lenny is the name for Debian 5? |
| 21:39.45 | Aemy | Yup |
| 21:39.58 | Aemy | And the latest stable is 6, codename Squeeze |
| 21:40.59 | Elive_webchat6 | And since Elive is based on Lenny, then it's software is "based" all on Lenny? |
| 21:41.12 | Aemy | That's right |
| 21:41.26 | Elive_webchat6 | I mean the software available back when Lenny was the last stable. |
| 21:41.58 | Aemy | Yes |
| 21:43.16 | Elive_webchat6 | Woa... that explains many things... |
| 21:43.30 | Aemy | That's why I hope for major updates for the next version |
| 21:44.08 | Elive_webchat6 | So if I want to install new or different software, I must do it from source code and build... |
| 21:44.35 | Aemy | Eventually, unless you get Lenny-compatible .deb's |
| 21:47.24 | Aemy | But if your software is very recent, it might also need more recent libraries or other dependencies that you can't get |
| 21:48.00 | Elive_webchat6 | Why couldn't I? |
| 21:48.38 | Aemy | Because it will break other old software that use them |
| 21:50.13 | Aemy | If you want newer software, you probably better use Debian testing |
| 21:50.28 | keyra | Aemy: Debian is the SH%$T my friend ! |
| 21:50.32 | Aemy | Of course you will not have Enlightenment |
| 21:50.45 | Aemy | You have to choose :) |
| 21:50.52 | Aemy | At least, for the moment. |
| 21:51.17 | Elive_webchat6 | Yes, something similar happened to me when I added a Wine repo and tried to install it. |
| 21:51.37 | Aemy | You can also make a dual boot |
| 21:54.33 | Elive_webchat6 | Does Elive have trouble with wireless cards? I'd liek to install a SMC or LinkSys adapter. |
| 21:54.39 | Elive_webchat6 | *like |
| 21:55.11 | Aemy | It's not worse than Debian ^^ |
| 21:55.33 | Elive_webchat6 | Do drivers normally require other dependencies? |
| 21:55.53 | Elive_webchat6 | Or is it just a matter of looking for them and installing? |
| 21:55.53 | Aemy | That depends on the model of your card... |
| 21:56.13 | Aemy | In some cases the installation might be somewhat tricky |
| 21:56.23 | Aemy | In other cases it will work out of the bolx |
| 21:56.25 | Aemy | *box |
| 21:56.32 | Aemy | (brb) |
| 21:56.58 | Elive_webchat6 | OK. |
| 21:57.25 | Elive_webchat6 | Well, thanks very much for your help. It was very, very handy. |
| 21:57.47 | Elive_webchat6 | How often are you used to show here on the channel? |
| 21:58.09 | Aemy | Ah you're welcome, I try to help ^^ |
| 21:58.22 | Aemy | I'm connected all the time but I'm not always here |
| 21:59.38 | Elive_webchat6 | And how often are you here? |
| 22:00.09 | Aemy | That's actually pretty random |
| 22:00.28 | Elive_webchat6 | OK. Thank you. See ya. |
| 22:00.36 | Aemy | Goodnight :) |
| 22:00.46 | Elive_webchat6 | Ah, by the way... |
| 22:00.50 | Aemy | Yeah? |
| 22:01.01 | Elive_webchat6 | Can it be that Thanathermesis knows Spanish? |
| 22:01.11 | Aemy | He is Spanish |
| 22:02.23 | Elive_webchat6 | Ah, it will be easier to chat if I ever find him. That's my native language. |
| 22:02.51 | Aemy | My native language is French :) |
| 22:03.04 | Elive_webchat6 | My cousin knows French, not me... |
| 22:03.48 | Aemy | If you want to ask him something directly, you can always send him an email |
| 22:03.53 | Elive_webchat6 | I could improvise in German, or a little little bit on Latin. |
| 22:04.04 | Aemy | Because he's not very often on the channel |
| 22:04.58 | Elive_webchat6 | But if I send an email, what is that of the GPG key? |
| 22:05.26 | Aemy | You don't really need to care about this? |
| 22:05.48 | Elive_webchat6 | From the contact site: "Only accept e-mails from him that are signed with a GPG key". |
| 22:06.04 | Elive_webchat6 | http://www.elivecd.org/Main/Contact |
| 22:06.37 | Aemy | Yeah well I don't think it's possible that someone hacks his account and replies instead of him :) |
| 22:07.47 | Aemy | That's cryptography, you don't have to bother about it. |
| 22:08.27 | Elive_webchat6 | So I just write him and that's all? |
| 22:08.37 | Aemy | Yeah |
| 22:08.44 | Elive_webchat6 | (I'd like to study cryptography...) |
| 22:08.58 | Elive_webchat6 | (I know a bit of general Math) |
| 22:08.59 | Aemy | http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Privacy_Guard |
| 22:09.08 | Aemy | If you have free time :) |
| 22:10.09 | Elive_webchat6 | Thanks. |
| 22:10.14 | Elive_webchat6 | Are you a develpoer? |
| 22:10.19 | Elive_webchat6 | *developer |
| 22:10.32 | Elive_webchat6 | Not necesarily of Elive, but any other thing. |
| 22:10.35 | Aemy | Only if Python counts :) |
| 22:10.45 | Aemy | I'm translating Elive into French |
| 22:11.31 | Elive_webchat6 | Is Spanish translator still needed? Actually I have done transaltion works before, so I have a bit of experience. |
| 22:11.32 | Aemy | I'm 16, I still have plenty of time to learn programming :) |
| 22:11.46 | keyra | Aemy: to use 16 GB of ram in elive, go to the nurse mode and install the special kernel |
| 22:12.00 | Aemy | Hmm, you might review the translation, why not. |
| 22:13.27 | Elive_webchat6 | keyra, pulvis es et in pulverum reverteris |
| 22:14.20 | Aemy | By the way, keyra's knowledge database: http://dev.elivecd.org/browser/misc/keyra/database.db |
| 22:14.23 | Aemy | Hehe :) |
| 22:14.37 | Elive_webchat6 | Ah, thanks. |
| 22:14.56 | Elive_webchat6 | Write weird to keyra and you shut him up. |
| 22:15.11 | keyra | Elive_webchat6: :-# |
| 22:15.11 | Aemy | xD |
| 22:15.33 | Elive_webchat6 | Y |
| 22:15.42 | Elive_webchat6 | Wrong window... |
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| 22:16.17 | Aemy | Updating stuff? :D |
| 22:16.30 | Elive_webchat6 | No, I'm not at home, thus I'm not on Linux. |
| 22:16.49 | Aemy | =O |
| 22:17.34 | Elive_webchat6 | Well, I'm leaving. I'm able to pass on for a day without eating, but I don't need it right now and I didn't even took breakfast. |
| 22:17.50 | Elive_webchat6 | Haven't eaten yet. |
| 22:17.56 | Aemy | Ah :/ |
| 22:19.15 | Aemy | Well, enjoy your meal if you decide to have one, and until next time :) |
| 22:19.15 | Elive_webchat6 | Well, thanks. See ya. |
| 22:19.38 | Aemy | Goodnight everybody else too. |
| 22:22.17 | she_dyed | gnite o/ |
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