IRC log for #elive on 20130427

00:09.27*** join/#elive ThanaRepo (~ThanaRepo@router1-ext.rs.github.com)
00:09.27*** part/#elive ThanaRepo (~ThanaRepo@router1-ext.rs.github.com)
00:29.31*** join/#elive PrinceAMD (~PrinceAMD@unaffiliated/princeamd)
00:30.01*** join/#elive EliveCode (~EliveCode@router1-ext.rs.github.com)
00:30.02*** part/#elive EliveCode (~EliveCode@router1-ext.rs.github.com)
00:31.23*** join/#elive ThanaRepo (~ThanaRepo@router1-ext.rs.github.com)
00:31.24*** part/#elive ThanaRepo (~ThanaRepo@router1-ext.rs.github.com)
00:43.17Thanatermesiskeyra problems problems problems
00:43.28*** join/#elive PrinceAMD (~PrinceAMD@unaffiliated/princeamd)
00:43.32keyraThanatermesis: who has problems ? windows has problems, ubuntu has problems, the world has problems! but not Elive :)
00:44.10*** join/#elive Elive_webchat7 (ba8000f3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.128.0.243)
00:45.01Elive_webchat7helllo, elive its good
00:45.14Elive_webchat7thank's for make elive
01:22.31*** join/#elive PrinceAMD (~PrinceAMD@unaffiliated/princeamd)
01:26.33*** join/#elive PrinceAMD_ (~PrinceAMD@unaffiliated/princeamd)
01:59.43*** join/#elive EliveCode (~EliveCode@router1-ext.rs.github.com)
01:59.43*** part/#elive EliveCode (~EliveCode@router1-ext.rs.github.com)
02:05.05*** join/#elive Elive_user26_es (~Elive_use@80.Red-95-122-107.staticIP.rima-tde.net)
02:05.20Elive_user26_esPrinceAMD, me that
02:05.22Elive_user26_esPrinceAMD, me thana
02:05.25Elive_user26_essee that:
02:05.31PrinceAMDreally? i dont believe lol
02:05.43Elive_user26_eson this vbox, network was not enough-fastly configured in the boot, so locales and timezone autodetection was not set
02:05.44Elive_user26_esthis does:
02:06.50Elive_user26_es$ (piped)
02:06.51Elive_user26_estzdatatzdata/Zones/Australiaselect
02:07.00Elive_user26_esfloods
02:07.07Elive_user26_esfrom that command:
02:07.09Elive_user26_es[eliveuser ~]$ debconf-get-selections | grep tzdata | elivepaste -d
02:07.25Elive_user26_esits a bit confusing to understand, but the important ones are these ones
02:07.29Elive_user26_estzdata tzdata/Areas select Etc
02:07.34Elive_user26_estzdata tzdata/Zones/Etc select UTC
02:07.35Elive_user26_es---
02:07.41Elive_user26_eswhich says that is UTC
02:07.46Elive_user26_es$ (piped)
02:08.00Elive_user26_es[eliveuser ~]$ date
02:08.01Elive_user26_essáb abr 27 02:07:53 UTC 2013
02:08.04Elive_user26_eswrong ^ PrinceAMD
02:08.15Elive_user26_esthere is 4 am
02:08.20Elive_user26_esin my real computer
02:08.30PrinceAMDlooks like
02:09.41PrinceAMDprinceamd@Xeon-PC ~ % date
02:09.42PrinceAMDFri Apr 26 22:09:29 GYT 2013
02:09.46PrinceAMDmy time is GYT
02:11.05*** join/#elive EliveCode (~EliveCode@router1-ext.rs.github.com)
02:11.06*** part/#elive EliveCode (~EliveCode@router1-ext.rs.github.com)
02:14.49Elive_user26_esPrinceAMD, show me your result of this:
02:14.52Elive_user26_es<Elive_user26_es> [eliveuser ~]$ debconf-get-selections | grep tzdata | elivepaste -d
02:16.07*** join/#elive PrinceAMD_ (~PrinceAMD@unaffiliated/princeamd)
02:16.59PrinceAMD_[(piped)] http://paste.debian.net/537/
02:17.21Elive_user26_es[eliveuser ~]$ date
02:17.22Elive_user26_essáb abr 27 02:07:53 UTC 2013
02:17.22Elive_user26_es[eliveuser ~]$ sudo hwclock
02:17.22Elive_user26_essáb 27 abr 2013 02:16:59 UTC  -0.371127 seconds
02:17.22Elive_user26_es[eliveuser ~]$ sudo hwclock -s --localtime
02:17.22Elive_user26_es[eliveuser ~]$ sudo hwclock
02:17.24Elive_user26_essáb 27 abr 2013 02:17:07 UTC  -0.020348 seconds
02:17.26Elive_user26_es[eliveuser ~]$ date
02:17.28Elive_user26_essáb abr 27 02:17:08 UTC 2013
02:17.30Elive_user26_es[eliveuser ~]$
02:18.03PrinceAMD_looks like your time is correct
02:18.50Thanatermesisno, there's 4 am :)
02:19.07Thanatermesis(vbox says 2 am, if the geolocation thingy not worked because lack of internet)
02:19.31PrinceAMD_well your local pc is not windows Thanatermesis
02:19.35PrinceAMD_it is linux :)
02:19.58Thanatermesisin any of the cases, it says it wrong
02:20.14Thanatermesisyou mean that if i could have windows it would have been set correctly ?
02:20.17PrinceAMD_even with hwclock -s --utc
02:20.25Thanatermesisseems like the bios of vbox is automatically configured to UTC then
02:20.30PrinceAMD_yes, if you had windows it would be correct
02:20.46Thanatermesismmh, ok so the solution is to simply have internet, on this case...
02:21.31PrinceAMD_yep,
02:21.58PrinceAMD_ntpdate pool.ntp.org is the best solution for getting the time correct after you have the correct timezone (with internet)
02:22.12PrinceAMD_without + windows best solution is hwclock -s --localtime
02:25.29Thanatermesisforget ntpdate for now, that's another thing for later :)
02:50.42*** join/#elive Elive_user66_es (~Elive_use@80.Red-95-122-107.staticIP.rima-tde.net)
02:50.51Elive_user66_esPrinceAMD, now my connection was set it correctlyño
02:51.08Elive_user66_es$ (piped)
02:51.09Elive_user66_estzdatatzdata/Zones/Australiaselect
02:51.36Elive_user66_es[eliveuser ~]$ date
02:51.36Elive_user66_essáb abr 27 04:51:21 CEST 2013
02:51.36Elive_user66_es[eliveuser ~]$ sudo hwclock
02:51.36Elive_user66_essáb 27 abr 2013 04:51:28 CEST  -0.954870 seconds
02:51.36Elive_user66_es[eliveuser ~]$
02:51.50Elive_user66_eshwclock was set too ? mmh, i have not touched it
02:55.14Elive_user66_eshw[root /home/eliveuser]# hwclock -u
02:55.15Elive_user66_essáb 27 abr 2013 04:54:57 CEST  -0.133640 seconds
02:55.15Elive_user66_esPrinceAMD,
02:55.27PrinceAMDand hwclock --localtime
02:55.33PrinceAMDElive_user66_es, ^
02:55.37Elive_user66_es[root /home/eliveuser]# hwclock --localtime
02:55.38Elive_user66_essáb 27 abr 2013 02:55:29 CEST  -0.073200 seconds
02:55.52PrinceAMDcool
02:56.17PrinceAMDso linux have the correct UTC time and windows have the correct localtime.
02:57.33Elive_user66_esmmh, not sure :)
02:57.40Elive_user66_eslet me try to boot in a VBOX with windows...
02:59.05PrinceAMD<Elive_user66_es> let me try to boot in a VBOX with windows... | windows will be the --localtime
03:00.59Thanatermesisbooting Elive iso in a vbox with windows
03:09.56*** join/#elive Elive_user33_es (~Elive_use@80.Red-95-122-107.staticIP.rima-tde.net)
03:10.03Elive_user33_es[eliveuser ~]$ date
03:10.05Elive_user33_essáb abr 27 05:09:54 CEST 2013
03:10.13Elive_user33_esnice, boot with internet ON in windows vbox
03:10.33Elive_user33_es[root /home/eliveuser]# hwclock -u
03:10.33Elive_user33_essáb 27 abr 2013 07:10:20 CEST  -0.829429 seconds
03:10.33Elive_user33_es[root /home/eliveuser]# hwclock --localtime
03:10.33Elive_user33_essáb 27 abr 2013 05:10:26 CEST  -0.700072 seconds
03:10.33Elive_user33_es[root /home/eliveuser]#
03:10.34Elive_user33_esPrinceAMD,
03:11.10Elive_user33_es$ (piped)
03:11.10Elive_user33_estzdatatzdata/Zones/Australiaselect
03:11.19PrinceAMDwhat does date show
03:11.27Elive_user33_es<Elive_user33_es> [eliveuser ~]$ date
03:11.27Elive_user33_es<Elive_user33_es> sáb abr 27 05:09:54 CEST 2013
03:11.33PrinceAMDnice :)
03:11.35PrinceAMDwhat did you do ?
03:11.40Elive_user33_esnothing ! :)
03:11.46Elive_user33_eselive magic :]
03:11.46PrinceAMDhow what?
03:11.51PrinceAMD:/
03:11.54Elive_user33_esgeolocation script :)
03:12.00PrinceAMDwell once it is correct :)
03:12.03PrinceAMDso this is with internet
03:12.09Elive_user33_eswell, my question is: is my bios still using the correct value for windows later ?
03:12.23keyraElive_user33_es: Elive doesn't like Windows, don't use it. It's garbage and will only cause problems
03:12.29PrinceAMDone way to find out, reboot :)
03:12.38Elive_user33_eskeyra, yeah, windows sucks and make us lose time
03:12.41PrinceAMDkeyra, lies
03:12.46Elive_user33_eskeyra, windows only gives frustration
03:12.52keyraElive_user33_es: The first thing to do if anything sucks is to report it to http://bugs.elivecd.org ! Or do you think things might get fixed magically without anybody knowing??
03:12.58PrinceAMDElive_user33_es, you do know you are talking to a bot
03:13.09Elive_user33_esPrinceAMD, not yet... widnows seems like to updatautomatically time like ntp, so i want to see if my bios has changed
03:13.19Elive_user33_eswell, i should verify the final result in any case too...
03:13.29PrinceAMDremove the internet before reboot
03:13.36Elive_user33_eskeyra, windows bugs too ?
03:13.50keyraElive_user33_es: if you tell us about a problem and how to reproduce it is very important for improve the next versions of elive by solving them, so please tell us about them! you can do it easly at http://bugs.elivecd.org
03:13.53Elive_user33_esmmh, so im going to reboot on windows, or you mean in elive, PrinceAMD ?
03:14.13PrinceAMDwindows
03:14.35Elive_user33_eskeyra, you are an useful bot :) do you know somebody that knows perl for fix a bit of your regex ? :)
03:14.37PrinceAMDremove the internet before
03:14.43Elive_user33_esmmh, oh ok, right
03:14.48Elive_user33_eslets see
03:14.48keyraElive_user33_es: me?
03:14.58Elive_user33_eskeyra, well, i dont know perl programmers, do you ?
03:15.01PrinceAMDkeyra is perl
03:15.15PrinceAMDi though she was bash all these years
03:15.20PrinceAMDTHE DECEPTION!
03:15.20Elive_user33_eskeyra, do you know programming yourself ?
03:15.32Elive_user33_eshaha nope, perl
03:18.14ThanatermesisPrinceAMD, time stills good on windows, amazing :)
03:18.16*** join/#elive keyra (~keyra@hart.dreamhost.com)
03:18.28Thanatermesiskeyra, hey, walking on the net ? :þ
03:18.39Thanatermesiskeyra, do you know programming yourself ?
03:18.51PrinceAMDthat is good, so the task is complete :)
03:18.54keyraThanatermesis: do you doctor yourself? I studied human relations, but nobody knows bot relations :(
03:19.35Thanatermesiskeyra, i know bot relations :) well... maybe not
03:19.50keyraThanatermesis: bot
03:20.00Thanatermesiskeyra, show me show me
03:21.02Thanatermesislet's see Elive booting without net now...
03:23.33Thanatermesismmmh
03:23.40ThanatermesisPrinceAMD, Elive without internet on windows machine:
03:23.42Thanatermesisdate says 3 am
03:23.50Thanatermesishwclock -u says 5 am
03:23.53Thanatermesisalso --localtime
03:24.01Thanatermesisboth says 5
03:24.30PrinceAMDelive did not get to set the timezone?
03:24.37Thanatermesisinternet disabled on this test
03:25.16Thanatermesisso this tells me something: if there's a windows machine and we dont have internet, we need to found the delay/timezone
03:25.23Thanatermesisis there somewhere we can found the timezone area ?
03:25.35Thanatermesisor another option could be:
03:25.39PrinceAMDby checking the offset :)
03:25.46PrinceAMDyou can get the timezone
03:25.50Thanatermesishwclock - date = 2 hours, set timezone to a delay of 2 hours
03:26.11PrinceAMDexactly
03:26.36PrinceAMDthen check tzdata for -2 and i guess select one :/
03:27.05Thanatermesismmh, sounds simple
03:27.14Thanatermesishttp://www.enlightenment.org/ss/e-517b45874f8db7.29187794.jpg
03:27.38PrinceAMDnice :)
03:27.39Thanatermesismmh, why -2 ?
03:27.43Thanatermesisi thought that was +2
03:30.34PrinceAMDwell seems like you have to inverse it
03:31.13PrinceAMDmy timezone is -4:00, but with elive utc, i would have to add +4 hours for it to be correct
03:33.41Thanatermesismmh, that's strange
03:33.44Thanatermesisok, let me see...
03:36.11ThanatermesisPrinceAMD, hwclock is not set to 3 on this case ?
03:36.13Thanatermesisi only get 5
03:36.23Thanatermesisbut "date" shows 3
03:37.24PrinceAMDhm..
03:37.53PrinceAMDafter you set the offset, is there a command you have to run to update the time, idk it
03:38.34PrinceAMDor you can set the the timezone then do hardware -s --localtime, which will update the date time
03:38.42PrinceAMDwhich would be the same thing
03:46.07ThanatermesisEtc/UTC is the same as Etc/GMT ?
03:47.26Thanatermesismmh, no, what im doing is adjusting my "delayed/relative time configuration of the system" (because has not detected the timezone due to lack of internet) in relation to the hwclock / date results
04:28.18*** join/#elive ThanaRepo (~ThanaRepo@router1-ext.rs.github.com)
04:28.18*** part/#elive ThanaRepo (~ThanaRepo@router1-ext.rs.github.com)
04:38.59*** join/#elive EliveCode (~EliveCode@router1-ext.rs.github.com)
04:38.59*** part/#elive EliveCode (~EliveCode@router1-ext.rs.github.com)
04:51.08*** join/#elive EliveCode (~EliveCode@router1-ext.rs.github.com)
04:51.08*** part/#elive EliveCode (~EliveCode@router1-ext.rs.github.com)
04:53.19*** join/#elive ThanaRepo (~ThanaRepo@router1-ext.rs.github.com)
04:53.19*** part/#elive ThanaRepo (~ThanaRepo@router1-ext.rs.github.com)
04:56.37*** join/#elive EliveCode (~EliveCode@router1-ext.rs.github.com)
04:56.37*** part/#elive EliveCode (~EliveCode@router1-ext.rs.github.com)
04:57.23Thanatermesiskeyra, learn this: time pass fast fixing time
04:57.38keyraThanatermesis: AWESOME, ass... this is the word ;)
04:57.53Thanatermesiskeyra, you are a happy p... bot, yeah
04:58.08keyraThanatermesis: me?
04:58.14Thanatermesisyup
05:17.03*** join/#elive ThanaRepo (~ThanaRepo@router1-ext.rs.github.com)
05:17.03*** part/#elive ThanaRepo (~ThanaRepo@router1-ext.rs.github.com)
07:17.46ThanatermesisHi, Im ThanaBot, and Im here for anything that you want (well, almost)
07:18.00keyraThanatermesis: Im falling in love with your double personality :)
08:52.43*** join/#elive PrinceAMD (~PrinceAMD@unaffiliated/princeamd)
09:32.24*** join/#elive PrinceAMD (~PrinceAMD@unaffiliated/princeamd)
10:22.02*** join/#elive ThanaRepo (~ThanaRepo@router1-ext.rs.github.com)
10:22.03*** part/#elive ThanaRepo (~ThanaRepo@router1-ext.rs.github.com)
11:07.15*** join/#elive Elive_webchat5 (528e725e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.142.114.94)
11:07.50Elive_webchat5hi, i there any admin or supervisor? U have a problem with installation
12:37.08*** join/#elive PrinceAMD_ (~PrinceAMD@unaffiliated/princeamd)
12:39.40*** join/#elive _PrinceAMD (~princeamd@unaffiliated/princeamd)
13:41.19*** join/#elive Elive_user66_ru (~Elive_use@188-0-91-26-dynamic.retail.datagroup.ua)
14:20.57*** join/#elive Elive_user44_en (~Elive_use@80.Red-95-122-107.staticIP.rima-tde.net)
16:07.06*** join/#elive ThanaRepo (~ThanaRepo@router1-ext.rs.github.com)
16:07.06*** part/#elive ThanaRepo (~ThanaRepo@router1-ext.rs.github.com)
16:51.11*** join/#elive dartho (~dartho@unaffiliated/dartho)
17:23.51*** join/#elive Elive_user93_en (~Elive_use@AMarseille-651-1-47-32.w92-150.abo.wanadoo.fr)
17:26.23*** join/#elive tejota (~saltwater@cm-93-156-107-244.telecable.es)
18:03.24PrinceAMDkeyra, live-config link please
18:03.31PrinceAMDkeyra, persistence
18:03.39PrinceAMDapt, kiss keyra wake her up
18:03.39aptACTION forces keyra wake her up to give tejota a big kiss on the lips
18:03.45keyraPrinceAMD: to save changes in your live system use persitence of live-toosl, read: http://live.debian.net/manual/3.x/html/live-manual.en.html  or http://www.elivecd.org/Help/Howto/boot-elive-from-usbhttp://www.elivecd.org/Help/Howto/boot-elive-from-usb
18:06.43PrinceAMDthanks keyra
18:06.57keyraPrinceAMD: welcome :)
18:39.58*** join/#elive Spaceghost (~kvirc@unaffiliated/spaceghost)
19:03.55*** join/#elive PrinceAMD (~PrinceAMD@unaffiliated/princeamd)
19:14.01*** join/#elive PrinceAMD (~PrinceAMD@unaffiliated/princeamd)
19:42.12*** join/#elive PrinceAMD_ (~PrinceAMD@unaffiliated/princeamd)
22:18.41*** join/#elive Elive_webchat4 (528e725e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.142.114.94)
22:19.04Elive_webchat4Hi, I have a problem with instalation, can you help me?
22:19.19keyraElive_webchat4: Don't be shy! Just ask.  :)
22:20.51Elive_webchat4I have an older instalation of this grateful OS on my old NTB, but my old HDD is totaly death a i want to reinstall to new HDD. When i install it for first time a had a invite code, but this code had expired
23:28.40ThanatermesisHi, Im ThanaBot, and Im here for anything that you want (well, almost)
23:28.55keyraThanatermesis: Im falling in love with your double personality :)

Generated by irclog2html.pl Modified by Tim Riker to work with infobot.