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| 02:30.30 | elmo_wifi | Lo |
| 02:30.44 | elmo_wifi | in kentuky right now :) |
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| 17:17.35 | Elive_user63_en | hola |
| 17:17.49 | keyra | Elive_user63_en: que tal ? |
| 17:18.05 | Elive_user63_en | bn a tu |
| 17:20.41 | Elive_user63_en | bien tu |
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| 18:26.36 | jgay | hello, I was loking for the lead maintainer of the elive distro |
| 18:26.42 | jgay | *looking |
| 18:27.25 | jgay | actually, I'm looking for Francisco Sánchez |
| 18:27.56 | jgay | Thanatermesis, is that you ^? |
| 18:37.22 | jgay | anyhow, can anyone on this channel tell me if Elive makes an offer of source code? |
| 18:37.36 | keyra | jgay: how to get free invitations: http://www.elivecd.org/codes |
| 18:44.07 | Thanatermesis | jgay, tell me |
| 18:47.09 | jgay | Thanatermesis, I am downloading the distro right now. I'm looking for an offer of source code that goes along with the distro. |
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| 18:48.20 | Thanatermesis | where's the source code of Elive ? |
| 18:48.35 | keyra | Thanatermesis: We are moving all the source to github, if you want to help improving or fixing things you can do it with the github typicall workflow, fast and easy, enjoy! https://github.com/Elive |
| 18:48.39 | Thanatermesis | better :) |
| 18:48.46 | Thanatermesis | jgay, see keyra message |
| 18:49.05 | jgay | Thanatermesis, for all of the programs in the distro? |
| 18:49.34 | Thanatermesis | we are rewritting lots of things, and moving everything to github, seems like the more public and friendly way to have the source open, public, and easy to collaborate |
| 18:50.38 | jgay | Thanatermesis, so you will be moving things like the GNU C Library over to github? |
| 18:50.49 | jgay | and GCC? |
| 18:51.01 | Thanatermesis | nope, these things are not touched, just used from debian |
| 18:51.16 | jgay | Thanatermesis, but you are distributing them as binaries, correct? |
| 18:51.42 | Thanatermesis | jgay, using debian repos |
| 18:51.57 | keyra | Thanatermesis: Debian repos are included BY DEFAULT on Elive :), but don't modify the repositories of Elive, that's a ugly thing that broke systems |
| 18:52.17 | jgay | Thanatermesis, I'm not worried about stuff users download fromthe distors. I mean the contents of this file: http://elive.7ds.pl/isos/development/elive_2.1.51_alpha_hybrid.iso |
| 18:54.19 | Thanatermesis | as i said, the iso is built using the official debian repos |
| 18:54.37 | jgay | Thanatermesis, I understand that. But you are distributing the binary files, correct? |
| 18:54.38 | Thanatermesis | just like any other (most of) debian live based systems |
| 18:54.53 | jgay | Those are 1.6GB of files. Some of which are binary files that contain GNU software. Correct? |
| 18:55.26 | Thanatermesis | correct |
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| 18:57.59 | Elive_user83_en | salve a tutti/e, sto usando elive 17.3 ma quando vado a fare install non si vuole istallare cosa posso fare? |
| 18:59.13 | Thanatermesis | Elive_user83_en, Non è possibile installare ancora le versioni di sviluppo, il programma di installazione sta per essere completamente riscritto, noi non abbiamo un programma di installazione che lavora ancora, ma lo sarà presto |
| 18:59.27 | keyra | Thanatermesis: to use 8 GB of ram in elive, go to the nurse mode and install the special kernel |
| 19:00.24 | jgay | Thanatermesis, so, I should let you know that I am a representative of the Free Software Foundation |
| 19:01.19 | jgay | My role at the FSF is Licensing and Compliance Manager. One of the things I do is work with free software projects to help them fix any licensing issues they might have. |
| 19:01.58 | jgay | We were emailed by someone letting us know that they discovered some licensing issues and they asked us to look into it. |
| 19:02.01 | Thanatermesis | jgay, good :), btw sorry if i answer a bit slowly so im compiling some rice |
| 19:02.13 | Thanatermesis | ok |
| 19:02.18 | jgay | Thanatermesis, that is OK, I understand. |
| 19:02.38 | Thanatermesis | which issues ? |
| 19:03.45 | jgay | Thanatermesis, so, right now the issue I have found is that you are distributing programs licensed under the GNU General Public License (GPL), but it does not appear you are making a proper offer of source code. |
| 19:03.59 | keyra | jgay: We are moving all the source to github, if you want to help improving or fixing things you can do it with the github typicall workflow, fast and easy, enjoy! https://github.com/Elive |
| 19:04.06 | Elive_user83_en | ho fatto un versamento a elive topez 2.0 anche se ottima trovo dei bag per il mio notebook, mentre questa distro che sto provando anche se alpha va più che bene benissimo,.Mi domando se devo fare una seconda donazione o se è compreso dia ggiornamento!. quando uscirà la versione ufficiale? |
| 19:04.16 | jgay | keyra, for all of the packages? |
| 19:04.20 | keyra | Elive_user83_en: To know the version of your Elive just see it in: cat /etc/elive-version |
| 19:05.41 | jgay | Thanatermesis, I think it will be pretty easy to help you fix the licensing issues you have. But, they do need to be fixed. |
| 19:06.44 | Elive_user83_en | elive-version 2.1.50 devian-version wheezy date -builded 2013-06-07 stable-relase no. |
| 19:07.58 | jgay | keyra, Thanatermesis, do you understand what I am saying? |
| 19:08.12 | keyra | jgay: search in google! |
| 19:08.30 | Thanatermesis | jgay, ok so, the iso is built just like any other "debian live" system (or debian derivate), mostly, so it has thousands of different packages that are get from the debian repositories (binaries and sources), they are also included in the apt conf too, by other side, Elive has also own software, they are all that you can see published on github, a few of C codes and mostly scripts |
| 19:08.44 | keyra | Thanatermesis: how to get free invitations: http://www.elivecd.org/codes |
| 19:09.09 | Thanatermesis | Elive_user83_en, maybe 2 months, i can't tell you exactly |
| 19:09.27 | jgay | Thanatermesis, I understand that it is a Debian-based system. But, because you are distributing it, it means there are certain things you need to comply with. |
| 19:09.41 | keyra | jgay: Debian is the SH%$T my friend ! |
| 19:09.53 | Thanatermesis | lol keyra, you need a cleanup in your database :) |
| 19:09.59 | jgay | When Debian distributes binary files, it makes a proper offer of source. When you distribute Debian files, it is up to you to also make a proper offer ofsource |
| 19:10.10 | jgay | (it took me a few minutes to realize keyra was a bot) |
| 19:10.25 | keyra | jgay: you think so? |
| 19:10.35 | Thanatermesis | heh |
| 19:11.08 | Thanatermesis | jgay, hum... im thinking it but i dont see the problem, for example: |
| 19:11.39 | Thanatermesis | - debian has an iso, which doesn't include the source-codes inside (but it has repositories with access to the source ones, the deb-src entries, which i think that they are not enabled by default, maybe im wrong) |
| 19:11.46 | jgay | Thanatermesis, so, for example, one of the things you need to do is for GPLv2 licensed works, a person needs to be able to write you a letter and ask for the source code for that program |
| 19:11.53 | jgay | you need to let them know how to contact you to get the source |
| 19:11.53 | keyra | Thanatermesis: We are moving all the source to github, if you want to help improving or fixing things you can do it with the github typicall workflow, fast and easy, enjoy! https://github.com/Elive |
| 19:12.26 | jgay | Thanatermesis, but where Debian offers the download they also make an offer of source code |
| 19:13.05 | jgay | If you take binary files from Debian and then redistribute them, then you are responsible for offering the source code. You can't just direct users to get it from Debian or for them to contact Debian |
| 19:13.18 | Thanatermesis | - so debian is offering their source code as downloadable packages, on that way |
| 19:15.38 | Thanatermesis | jgay, well, thats not exactly the case, the iso is built using debian repositories, so the user is using a 99% debian system (from debian), as the same way, inside the system itself, the repositories of the source codes uses the repositories of debian, so the user dont needs to "go to debian", its simply integrated on the system |
| 19:15.52 | keyra | Thanatermesis: Debian repos are included BY DEFAULT on Elive :), but don't modify the repositories of Elive, that's a ugly thing that broke systems |
| 19:16.06 | Thanatermesis | jgay, you mean that this needs to be better stated / explained on the website of Elive ? |
| 19:16.20 | jgay | Thanatermesis, well there are a couple of things. |
| 19:16.42 | jgay | So, I am almost downloading the ISO file |
| 19:16.48 | jgay | Iwill mount the ISO file and look at the contents |
| 19:17.00 | jgay | It will likely contain package files of software |
| 19:17.15 | jgay | Inside one of the packages it will have the license and information on how to get the source code |
| 19:17.24 | jgay | I'm guessing it will tell me how to get it from Debian. |
| 19:17.30 | keyra | jgay: how to get free invitations: http://www.elivecd.org/codes |
| 19:17.43 | keyra | jgay: Debian is the SH%$T my friend ! |
| 19:18.02 | jgay | Now, when I download the ISO from Debian and it tells me how to get the source code *from* Debian, this is OK. |
| 19:18.16 | keyra | jgay: how to get free invitations: http://www.elivecd.org/codes |
| 19:18.58 | jgay | However, I am downloading the ISO from the elive project. So, it is not OK for the packages to instruct me to contact Debian. |
| 19:19.11 | jgay | They should provide me instructions on how to contact elive for the source code |
| 19:19.18 | jgay | because elive is distributing it in this case |
| 19:19.26 | keyra | jgay: We are moving all the source to github, if you want to help improving or fixing things you can do it with the github typicall workflow, fast and easy, enjoy! https://github.com/Elive |
| 19:20.34 | Thanatermesis | jgay, i would suggest to download the last version of the iso (development section), the last stable is more than 3 years old, there's MUCH rewrittings and much better implemented things, the system is much better made, and of course, its more like a redesign so nothing on the old stable version is going to be on the same way, everything is reimplemented, repackaged in a better way, etc |
| 19:21.37 | jgay | Thanatermesis, but, you will still need to fix the problems in the old version, too, so long as you let people download it |
| 19:21.44 | Thanatermesis | jgay, the instructions can be explained simply on the website? so i think that is a nicer way where to put these instructions (always available, before to download too, users can reference to links, etc) |
| 19:21.51 | keyra | jgay: who has problems ? windows has problems, ubuntu has problems, the world has problems! but not Elive :) |
| 19:22.16 | Thanatermesis | keyra, you need to redesigned too |
| 19:23.05 | jgay | Thanatermesis, making changes on the site would be good, but, you will also probably need to make some changes to the ISO. |
| 19:23.10 | jgay | Thanatermesis, there are some other problems as well |
| 19:24.05 | jgay | For example, on the license page it states, "It is forbidden to use Elive for any aggression, war or crimes against humanity and/or genocide. For more details about this clause: http://www.legalventure.com/clausulamariposa/ (spanish version). Im totally against anything related with the war so I do not want any collaboration in any sense with it. " |
| 19:24.34 | Thanatermesis | jgay, i dont even think that this iso is modifiable :/, i will have easier to simply remove it, its too much work to modify it and keep it "stable and correctly working" (builded using old tools that i dont remember the versions, with unkown configurations for build the iso, etc) |
| 19:25.00 | jgay | Thanatermesis, we might be able to work around the old ISO with something on the website |
| 19:25.10 | jgay | and then just fix things inside the new development ISO |
| 19:25.17 | Thanatermesis | sounds good |
| 19:25.53 | jgay | The most important thing I need from you right now is 1) that you are going to take this matter seriously and work with me to fix things, and 2) the best place to email you so we can begin working over email |
| 19:26.46 | Thanatermesis | you can use my email posted on the website (contact section) |
| 19:28.16 | jgay | ok, and do you think that you will be able to work with me on this ... I understand if it sometimes will take you a few days to get back to me, but, I'd like to try to see everything fixed in a reasonable period of time (like, not much longer than a month) |
| 19:29.27 | jgay | I will send you an email in a few minutes and we can go from there |
| 19:30.06 | Thanatermesis | yes, of course i want to have this correctly set, by other side this has a bad point which is that modifying things requires time (if is little, there's not much time to spend on, but if its big changes then it requires a good amount of time i dont have much free time (see, the last stable version is 3 years old, totally unnaceptable for the users imho) |
| 19:30.47 | Thanatermesis | jgay, so yes, i have no problem on fixing the issues, specially if the cost in time is low :) |
| 19:31.01 | keyra | Thanatermesis: the payment is to support the development of Elive, free software means that you are able to modify it at your needs in total legality, nothing related with gratis/cost, more info in http://www.elivecd.org/Help/FAQ#free |
| 19:31.39 | Thanatermesis | btw the website is going to be entirely redesigned too, you can see that this website is very unfeatured and ugly, we are doing development tests in http://studios.elivecd.org (moving to wordpress, new plugins, new contents, new everything) |
| 19:31.43 | Elive_user83_en | grazie aspettero con ansia |
| 19:31.51 | Elive_user83_en | grazie aspetterò con ansia |
| 19:32.53 | jgay | Thanatermesis, I will want to make the cost of time low as well :-) |
| 19:33.24 | jgay | Thanatermesis, ok, thanks for chatting. Talk to you later |
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| 20:48.53 | elmo_wifi | wow. |
| 20:49.07 | elmo_wifi | this room has living people! |
| 21:14.30 | elmo_wifi | linuxnit!!!!!! |
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| 22:46.30 | Elive_user31_en | hola |
| 22:46.44 | keyra | Elive_user31_en: que tal ? |
| 23:04.56 | LinuxNIT | lol hi elmo_wifi |
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