IRC log for #elive on 20170701

00:08.38*** join/#elive Elive_user78_pl (~Elive_use@89-70-223-30.dynamic.chello.pl)
00:08.43keyra_welcome to Elive, Elive_user78_pl! =)
00:08.51keyra_how is your experience with Elive so far? any suggestion or issue to report us so we can make it better? for a direct assistance just talk to Thanatermesi or use http://bugs.elivecd.org , your feedbacks is important for improve Elive and your reports are for the correct work for everybody!
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00:21.31*** topic/#elive is Web: http://www.elivecd.org | BTS: http://bugs.elivecd.org - please report problems so we can solve them | Forum: http://forum.elivecd.org | Elive 3.0 is on the way and going to be entirely cost-free!
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02:10.12keyra_welcome to Elive, Elive_user94_en! =)
02:10.20keyra_how is your experience with Elive so far? any suggestion or issue to report us so we can make it better? for a direct assistance just talk to Thanatermesi or use http://bugs.elivecd.org , your feedbacks is important for improve Elive and your reports are for the correct work for everybody!
02:10.42Elive_user94_enhow to install?
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09:00.38grottemmorning Naglfar
09:00.40keyra_good morning!
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16:24.57real_grottemis pissed big time
16:25.58real_grottemNaglfar, you here?
16:26.15Naglfarhello real_grottem
16:26.33real_grottemsupid freenode keeps saying my nick is used
16:26.39real_grottembut i don't see it
16:26.46real_grottemand it's pasword protected
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16:27.43Naglfarprobably it's ghosted real_grottem
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16:28.10real_grottemprob
16:28.20real_grottembut i'm having wireless problems
16:28.23real_grottembig time
16:28.31Naglfarreal_grottem, try this: /msg nickserv ghost grottem password
16:28.59real_grottemit sais full connected but i cant' get ip's from the modem's DHCP server
16:29.04real_grottemhi Thanatermesis
16:29.15Thanatermesiso/ Grottem :)
16:29.17keyra_:)
16:29.19keyra_hi!
16:29.22Naglfarhello Thanatermesis
16:29.24Grottemjeej
16:29.37Thanatermesishi Naglfar! :)
16:29.41Naglfar:)
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16:33.25Thanatermesisso so
16:33.30ThanatermesisElive needs a new beta release
16:33.39Thanatermesisproblem is that there's no work done since the last one lol
16:34.11ThanatermesisNaglfar, fui encarcelado como emigrante ilegal en mexico y estaba totalmente aislado e incomunicado hasta ahora... asi que de vuelta a españa jaj!
16:35.55NaglfarThanatermesis, recuerdo que me comentaste que se te habia caducado la residencia
16:37.31Naglfarno sabiamos que te estaba pasando, siento mucho saber lo que has tenido que pasar
16:41.06*** join/#elive keyra (~keyra@hostdo1.elivecd.org)
16:41.08Thanatermesisno te preocupes, está todo bien :)
16:41.11keyra:)
16:42.09ThanatermesisNaglfar, the only thing is that it was not planned... so a lot of time was lost, im not anymore in mexico (life is MUCH less expensive, so i was able to live easly with the small amount of income), and well, now trying to start again with the development, unfortunately the internet connection here is HORRIBLE!
16:42.20Thanatermesismy mother lives in the mountain, so internet is very limited and slow
16:47.49Naglfar<PROTECTED>
16:47.55NaglfarRate (Kbps): 10790 1021
16:48.10NaglfarI have this speed
16:48.45Naglfarbut at least unlimited
16:48.57Grottemi have a downstream (cabled) 21200
16:50.35Grottem188.17 Mbps down en 17.02 Mbps up
16:50.59Thanatermesis508 packets transmitted, 409 received, 19% packet loss, time 508842ms
16:51.06Thanatermesisomg that's pretty bad
16:53.49Grottem:)
16:53.51keyra:)
16:54.09Naglfarit looks like wireless bad signal ?
16:54.52Naglfar/sbin/iwconfig |grep Quality
16:54.54Thanatermesismmh, not really
16:54.58Thanatermesisim with a cable to the router
16:54.59NaglfarLink Quality=53/70  Signal level=-57 dBm
16:55.07Thanatermesisbut the router crosses mountains in a wifi way
16:55.10Thanatermesisso more or less
16:55.16Thanatermesisnot "my" wifi
16:57.45Thanatermesisand speed is like 2 Mb/s for down and 0.4 for up
16:58.03Grottemwow :s
16:58.05keyrawoooha!
16:58.29Thanatermesisyep, pretty crappy
16:58.41Grottembig crappy
16:58.47Grottemi would go banana's
16:58.50Thanatermesiswell, i can work with some things, like designs... but not sure how i will do it for the releases lol, maybe i need to get a train to barcelona to be able to connect from a coffe LOL
16:58.57Thanatermesis"travel only for that"
16:59.19Thanatermesisunfortunately renting a room in barcelona is scarily expensive, no way right now with my economics
17:00.30Naglfaris it possible to move the router nearest to the acces point ?
17:02.02Thanatermesisnope, it crosses mountains :)
17:02.04keyra:)
17:03.10Thanatermesisomg, my location (by google maps locator) shows that im in a city 6 km away...
17:03.21Thanatermesisso basically this wifi from where im getting connection is from that place lol
17:03.28Grottemlol
17:03.28Naglfaror move the antenna a bit more higher
17:03.55Thanatermesismore than in the mountain where im ? lol
17:05.54Thanatermesismmmh, with this connection is really not easy to develop
17:06.03Thanatermesismuch more limited (and slowed down)
17:08.25Grottem:p less distraction
17:08.38Grottemso more time to code :p
17:09.27NaglfarI have no elive installed yet, else you can use my desktop box to ssh in, it allow you to send/recived data faster from it
17:10.20Thanatermesisyeah, less distraction too!, well, still internet (but slow) lol
17:10.37Thanatermesishum
17:10.42Thanatermesisthere's not a perfect solution
17:10.48Thanatermesisfor some things like builds can be fast
17:10.59Thanatermesisbut the interactiveness will be very slow (from here to your computer)
17:11.14Thanatermesisneeds a perfect solution, let's think...
17:12.49Thanatermesismaybe i should talk with these guys, seems like the only hackerspace in barcelona? :/ wtf  https://wiki.hackerspaces.org/Don%27t_panic!
17:13.58Thanatermesis> You can find us every Tuesday from 18h to 21h!
17:14.01Thanatermesissounds very limited, hum
17:14.10Thanatermesiswill need to check it
17:14.14Grottemindeed
17:21.35Naglfarit looks like a place where developers work together to share internet connection?
17:21.40keyraactual developers are Thanatermesis and PrinceAMD, maybe I forgot others? well, im only a bot :þ
17:26.49Thanatermesisnot sure how they manages exactly or what they do
17:26.55Thanatermesisseems like the hackerspaces era is died
17:27.37Grottemsame with cybercafé
17:35.18Thanatermesisnot in south-america :)
17:35.21keyra:)
17:36.23Grottemrealy ? nice
17:37.04Grottemi used to be many hours in the local cybercafé just for the fun and the company
17:41.19Thanatermesisanswering email of Grottem about ecomorph & screen-lock
17:41.23Thanatermesisstill having the problem Grottem ?
17:41.42Grottemyep still have to the work-around
17:41.47Grottembut that works
17:41.56Thanatermesisi will try your suggestion
17:42.01Thanatermesistrying to implement that
17:42.10Grottemso i was thinking to code it my self to code a button
17:42.21Thanatermesiswill tell you to betatest and confirm that the bug is fixed when ill finish it :)
17:42.23keyra:)
17:42.25Grottembut i couldn't find the process :D so i was stuck
17:42.42ThanatermesisGrottem, check the youtube video called "make an e17 module in 10 minutes" :)
17:43.02Thanatermesisdamn! just trying to compile E but is downloading the sources and this will take some time... omg
17:43.10ThanatermesisReceiving objects:  13% (22590/162816), 11.64 MiB | 88.00 KiB/s
17:43.17Thanatermesis88 KiB/s hum....
17:43.22Grottem:D
17:43.25Grottemhehe
17:43.49Thanatermesiswell, let's wait for it then :\
17:44.03Grottemthe best thing you can do is wait
17:44.56Grottembut Thanatermesis the sollution of Naglfar could work when you have a SSH connection it's like chatting you sending only small Kb packages so you can work on a remote computer rather quickly
17:45.04Thanatermesiss/best/only/
17:45.04Thanatermesislol
17:45.35Grottemand when you need to upload thing you use the remote 'servers's connection which is faster
17:45.50Grottemso you can do your work from home on a slow connection
17:47.13Naglfaryou just need slow connection and ssh, then you can use fast connection into it
17:47.25Grottemyeah
17:50.09Thanatermesisyeah, i can understand the solution of SSH, is a good thing but as i said, is not a "complete" solution, and this will lead to much more difficulties
17:50.12Thanatermesisfor example, on this case:
17:50.57Thanatermesisi will be able to fastly make a build (well, first i need to set up an environment), but then, i will build it and... how to test it? i need to run it -here-, to make changes in the sources and try the E modifications in a real machine, i could not see it
17:51.01Thanatermesisso... not easy
17:51.26Grottemfor that you can start a teamviewer connection?
17:51.34Grottemor RDP connection?
17:51.37Thanatermesissounds very painful :/
17:51.39keyra:|
17:51.40Thanatermesisnot handy
17:52.33Grottemhey while you where away i did my internship like that a teamviewer connection to a computer to make a RDP connection in a RDP in a RDP connection...
17:52.39Grottemworks like a charm
17:54.09NaglfarI understand now what do you mean for "complete" solution, it's only a solution for download/upload/compile, but do not for graphical tests
17:54.30Grottemhence the RDP
17:55.08Naglfarwhat RDP is ?
17:55.21GrottemRemote Desktop Protocol
17:56.23Grottemso you have a GUI
17:56.47Naglfarbut probably RDP needs more bandwidth usage than Thanatermesis has
17:58.59GrottemThanatermesis, can you watch youtube?
17:59.22Grottemwith RDP you can lower the graphs to keep it smooth
17:59.50Thanatermesisyeah, i need a "full" solution which is just "practical and being able to focus on the work", not to focus on "how i can do that?..."
18:00.33Thanatermesisthis needs to be so complete that for example i buyed a switch in the past, to be able to work with the computers... just because is too slow when i need to transfer a big thing (like a big sources, or an iso) from one computer to other
18:01.17Thanatermesischeck that ;)
18:01.22ThanatermesisVenus:~ ❯❯❯ scp srv/upload/elive_2.9.2_beta_hybrid.iso zeus:/tmp
18:01.23ThanatermesisWarning: Permanently added 'zeus,192.168.2.162' (RSA) to the list of known hosts.
18:01.23Thanatermesiselive_2.9.2_beta_hybrid.iso                                         2%   81MB  40.2MB/s   01:12 ETA
18:01.59Thanatermesisthats fast
18:08.21Grottem:D
18:09.47Thanatermesisso think about how non-practical could be to send an iso among these computers... via wifi heh
18:27.41Thanatermesisfinally downloaded
18:27.52Thanatermesisbtw i did a small change in the "stars" wallpaper :)
18:27.54keyra:)
18:27.54Grottemthat was fast
18:28.00Grottemseen it :)
18:28.05Thanatermesisif you upgrade it, has a little animation at the start of the desktop
18:28.15Thanatermesisnice! how does looks like?
18:29.12Grottemseen you did the update
18:29.18Thanatermesisunfortunately its a bit jumpy but this cannot be optimized, not for e17 at least (moving out of e17 will mean no ecomorph too)
18:29.18Grottembut no stars on my desktop
18:29.24Thanatermesisoh ok
18:29.34Thanatermesiswell, just select that wallpaper to try it
18:29.47Grottemi selected the star wallpaper
18:30.07Grottembut i run ecomorph  ;)
18:30.55Thanatermesisyeah i mean, next versions of Elive 3.0 will probably not use e17, and not using e17 means no more ecomorph
18:31.13Grottemwait whut? :p
18:31.29Grottemno more ecomorph
18:31.39Grottemso no more fun fancy animations?
18:57.20Thanatermesisexactly
18:57.24Thanatermesisthats why we stick at e17
18:57.52Grottem:'(
18:57.53Thanatermesisby other side other effects are available, like realtime windows representation in the pager by composite... well, more stable too
18:57.58Thanatermesisits not decided yet :)
18:58.00keyra:)
18:58.03Thanatermesisthere's different options
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18:58.52Thana`[(piped)] http://paste.debian.net/974277/
18:59.18Thanatermesislet's try this piece of code for fix the ecomorph & desklock bug, Grottem ;)
18:59.19Thanatermesis^
19:02.36Grottemalso wouldn't be more wise to upgrade to jessie for security reasons?
19:03.19Thanatermesiswise yes, but stretch is better option
19:03.35Thanatermesisthe problem is that this kind of "move" will take even much more time in the development
19:03.43Thanatermesiswhich translates to "elive 3.0 never out"
19:04.13Grottemwhich translates to Thanatermesis code harder faster :p
19:04.29Thanatermesiswhich translates to Thanatermesis died
19:04.58Grottemwhich translates to Thanatermesis on redbull diet :D
19:05.11Thanatermesismmmh, that worked in the past
19:05.42Grottemredbull and meatfeast pizza :D
19:05.45Grottemthe coders way
19:07.01Grottemi'm asking for Elive can't promoted in to a professional enviroment due the european law of may 2018
19:08.12ThanatermesisGrottem, uses git?
19:08.37Thanatermesiswhat law what?
19:08.46Grottemi used gitkraken to manage git but it can't be used on Elive :(
19:08.48keyra:/
19:08.58Grottemit's a law on euro base
19:10.11Grottemcontaining Data Loss Prevention and state that proffecionals who handle sensitive data are responsible for that data
19:10.13Grottemmeaning
19:10.45Grottemall computers that contain such data must be up to date with the latest and most secure versions of programs
19:10.59Grottemso it's hard to penatrate the systems
19:11.18Grottemand it's wise to encrypted every thing
19:11.30Grottemif they fail to protect the computer
19:12.09Thanatermesisi see
19:12.13Thanatermesiswell, Elive includes encription
19:12.29Thanatermesisbut is not updated, and cannot be before 3.0, needs to be scheduled for after the release
19:12.30Grottemand sensitive data leakage could occure there i a fine of 250 000 euro (mininmum) or 5% of the total capatial wish is the most
19:12.38Thanatermesisafter 3.0, it can fastly build updated software, but not before
19:13.15Grottemok but programs like chrome, firefox, ... would those also be the latest?
19:13.15Thanatermesisok so... and what about the microsoft security requirements? and so for example that virus that affected the entire world recently? :P
19:13.23Grottemjust aksing because that a security risk
19:13.51ThanatermesisGrottem, answer to them: there's no sense to say that any linux is less secure than windows which is the main used system in computers
19:14.15Thanatermesischrome, firefox, etc... cannot be updated for 3.0
19:14.29Grottembut can afther?
19:15.20Grottemi know about this because my whole internship was based on that law
19:15.25Grottem:)
19:15.27keyra:)
19:17.37Thanatermesisafter of course :)
19:17.42Thanatermesisand cannot be hard / slow
19:17.55Thanatermesisbut otherwise is a ton of more work and bugs to discover
19:18.09Grottem:)
19:18.12Thanatermesisjust after the release, same day, can be possible for next beta's lol
19:18.13Grottembugs are fun :)
19:18.22Thanatermesiswell, not after you fix them for eyars :/
19:18.24keyra:|
19:19.15Grottemhehe and a 64 bit version would also be nice (good for new users) because users with 64 bit machine don't like to install 32 bit os :p
19:19.20Grottemfor some weird reason
19:19.26keyraelive in 64 bits is planned in the near future, if you don't have the package that you need you can just use --arch i386 for now, so i386 on amd64 works simply perfectly good and without any performance impact,
19:19.55Thanatermesisbugs are fun only when like this GIF:  http://dev.elivecd.org/wiki/HowtoBugbuster
19:19.56Thanatermesis:)
19:20.08Thanatermesisyes, 64 bit, uefi, and updated, thats the plan
19:20.24Grottemstill I against UEFI
19:20.31keyradon't talk me about this shit invented by microsoft to make the computers unable to boot in other operating systems that is not microshit (unless you pay some bucks to them to allow you to boot it, by signing your boot as 'allowed')
19:20.33Grottemi always change to BIOS :p
19:20.52Thanatermesisbut some computers cannot work without it... like a friend on mexico which i tried to assist lost data, bios cannot boot non-uefi ones
19:21.01Thanatermesisyep, but you cannot change the ones like that one :P
19:21.07keyraThanatermesis ping, somebody needs you
19:21.16Thanatermesiseven if says "no secure boot" option, you cannot "non-uefi boot"
19:21.35Thanatermesiskeyra, who? what? where?!
19:22.05Grottemi do first boot uefi
19:22.13Grottemchange it to legacy bios
19:22.21Grottemthen install :)
19:22.23keyra:)
19:22.39Thanatermesisthere's no option of legacy boot on that computer
19:22.51Thanatermesisand so my friend still having the data lost for now :/, without being able to boot Elive on it
19:22.53Grottemif data can't be recoverd from stupid people who use UEFI bad luck stupid people :p
19:23.16Thanatermesisbut she's sexy :)
19:23.17Thanatermesislol
19:23.18Grottemweird what type of MOBO does he uses?
19:23.18keyra:)
19:23.30Grottema friend :p yeah ... right :p
19:23.42Thanatermesisdissapears
19:23.57Thanatermesisquit: see ya!
19:24.11Grottemwhen you say a friend :p and its a girl and you hide the fact she's a girl somethings more is happening :p
19:25.30Thanatermesiswell, THANKS TO the emigration police of mexico, now she's a far away friend lol
19:25.52Thanatermesisso thank you! you mexican police suckers!
19:25.58Grottemhehehe
19:26.00Thanatermesisapt, you can publish the logs on internet now :)
19:26.02keyra:)
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19:26.17keyrayepee! fresh packages uploaded! yummy yummy :D
19:26.30Grottemwhiieeee new packages :D
19:27.07Grottemooh no new packages for me :(
19:27.09keyra:/
19:27.21Thanatermesisnot for you?
19:27.37Grottemnope
19:27.47Grottemno updates came in after the apug
19:28.24Thanatermesisoh wait
19:28.31Thanatermesisyou are using by default e17-stable, not e17
19:28.35Thanatermesiswhich is almost the same
19:28.53Thanatermesisso e17-stable cannot broke desktops when there's an update :)
19:28.55keyra:)
19:29.02Grottem:D
19:29.05Thanatermesislike right now... there's something strange, desktop blocked in a strange way now...
19:29.12Grottemhehe
19:29.13Thanatermesislet me try it here first...
19:31.32Grottemk
19:32.55Thanatermesismmmh there's something strange here
19:33.06Grottemcall ghostbusters
19:33.12Grottem(sorry lame joke)
19:37.55Thanatermesisbugbusters
19:38.10Grottem:p
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21:47.25Thanatermesisfinally! damn
21:47.28Thanatermesistook some time
21:47.41Grottem:-)
21:51.19Thanatermesiswell, that was an important one for the stability of Elive
21:51.21Thanatermesis3.0
21:51.33Thanatermesisnow... what was the trick that i have used to avoid this problem? let me remember...
21:51.46keyrathe best way to fix a problem is by reporting the issue into our BTS, if we don't know about the problems that you can have we cannot solve them, your problem can affect to other users too, so you can collaborate with Elive by reporting them to http://bugs.elivecd.org
22:04.15ThanatermesisGrottem, intel graphic card?
22:06.11Thanatermesisdamn, so slow upload
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22:36.24keyrayepee! fresh packages uploaded! yummy yummy :D
23:29.50ThanatermesisGrottem, it should work now, tell me if you still having problems with :)
23:29.52keyra:)
23:30.14Thanatermesisnot sure if is the same but there was a similar bug with intel cards after a long pause in locked
23:33.54Thanatermesissleep time!
23:33.58keyrasleep well! even if i dont understand why humans needs that :P
23:34.38Thanatermesis!keyword "sleep time" sleep well! you needy human :P
23:34.38keyraRedefining 'sleep time' from: 'sleep well! even if i dont understand why humans needs that :P' to: 'sleep well! you needy human :P'.

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