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| 00:27.55 | Thanatermesis | http://forum.elivelinux.org/ |
| 01:24.56 | Thanatermesis | w00t! with SSL (httpS) |
| 01:56.59 | Thanatermesis | server destroyed, new install tomorrow |
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| 10:43.14 | keyra | to upgrade your elive system manually you can run the command "apug" or "elive-upgrader --upgrade", but the system will already run elive-upgrader from time to time so do not care |
| 10:43.17 | keyra | yepee! fresh packages uploaded! yummy yummy :D |
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| 11:30.08 | grottem | Thana |
| 11:30.19 | grottem | Thanatermesis, afther apug etc etc |
| 11:30.29 | grottem | the battery indicator was disabled |
| 11:30.36 | grottem | i was working on battery power |
| 11:30.40 | grottem | en suddenly |
| 11:30.53 | Thanatermesis | hum |
| 11:30.55 | grottem | without warning battery died |
| 11:30.58 | Thanatermesis | you restarted your desktop configuration? |
| 11:31.11 | grottem | yes |
| 11:31.18 | grottem | i did everything you thought me :D |
| 11:31.29 | Thanatermesis | good :) |
| 11:31.32 | keyra | :) |
| 11:31.38 | Thanatermesis | so your battery widget doesn't shows up? |
| 11:32.07 | Thanatermesis | acpi | elivepaste -d |
| 11:34.15 | Thanatermesis | grottem, ^ |
| 11:37.17 | grottem | no |
| 11:37.21 | grottem | but when i load it |
| 11:37.23 | grottem | it shows |
| 11:37.49 | grottem | $ (piped) |
| 11:37.49 | grottem | Battery 0: Charging, 70%, 00:26:27 until charged |
| 11:38.36 | Thanatermesis | battery should be autodetected and enabled/disabled by default at new desktop conf |
| 11:39.33 | Thanatermesis | looking at the script, it is detected to DISABLE your battery |
| 11:39.39 | Thanatermesis | let me see why... |
| 11:44.36 | Thanatermesis | ok, i think that is fixed |
| 11:44.47 | Thanatermesis | good catch for the release :) |
| 11:44.50 | keyra | :) |
| 11:45.20 | Elmo40 | good catch indeed! |
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| 11:46.01 | Thanatermesis | mmh i think that battery should be disabled by default and THEN enabled if is found... |
| 11:46.09 | Thanatermesis | (was in the inverse way) |
| 11:49.08 | Thanatermesis | grottem, an you betatest? run "apug" and then restart to a new desktop configuration, battery should appear now |
| 11:50.19 | grottem | i loaded the module manual atm |
| 11:51.03 | Thanatermesis | yeah but try if the hooks works now (that detects your battery and enable/disable the module in new desktop conf depending on that) |
| 11:52.01 | grottem | ok i'll disable it |
| 11:52.05 | grottem | reload config |
| 11:52.14 | Thanatermesis | you can also do it from a second username (create new user, switch to that user) if you dont want to broke your actual E conf |
| 11:52.34 | Thanatermesis | no need to disable, restarting desktop configurations (you have that feature in the menus too) will cleanup it everything |
| 11:53.08 | grottem | restaring like |
| 11:53.14 | grottem | ctrl alt end ? |
| 11:53.22 | grottem | or breaking the e17 config :D |
| 11:53.28 | Thanatermesis | what it does: create a new .e dir, and run all the "new desktop" hooks that configures different parts (E configurations, font sizing, emodules, etc) |
| 11:53.33 | Thanatermesis | nope, that is a reload |
| 11:53.41 | Thanatermesis | breaking e17 conf :), so to make a new one |
| 11:53.48 | grottem | brb |
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| 11:55.08 | grottem | Thanatermesis, |
| 11:55.09 | grottem | nowp |
| 11:55.10 | grottem | didn't work |
| 11:55.47 | grottem | btw thana |
| 11:55.53 | grottem | you fixed the keypad issue? |
| 11:55.56 | Thanatermesis | mmmh, was your e17-conf and elive-tools packages upgraded? |
| 11:56.02 | grottem | yes |
| 11:56.05 | keyra | to upgrade your elive system manually you can run the command "apug" or "elive-upgrader --upgrade", but the system will already run elive-upgrader from time to time so do not care |
| 11:56.17 | Thanatermesis | hum, so you have your battery emodule NOT listed, right? |
| 11:56.57 | Thanatermesis | i mean, not showing as gadget |
| 11:57.18 | Thanatermesis | it is not loaded in your emodules too? |
| 11:57.40 | Thanatermesis | (dont do it manually, let's fix this to autodetect it correctly ) |
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| 12:13.13 | Thanatermesis | ok, let me try to simulate that battery thing... |
| 12:13.14 | keyra | welcome to Elive, Elive_user_en_27! =) |
| 12:13.23 | keyra | how is your experience with Elive so far? any suggestion or issue to report us so we can make it better? for a direct assistance just talk to Thanatermesi or use http://bugs.elivecd.org , your feedbacks is important for improve Elive and your reports are for the correct work for everybody! |
| 12:13.26 | Thanatermesis | Battery 0: Charging, 70%, 00:26:27 until charged |
| 12:13.36 | grottem | ok |
| 12:23.23 | Thanatermesis | ok the order of loading was wrong... let me try again now |
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| 12:29.15 | keyra | to upgrade your elive system manually you can run the command "apug" or "elive-upgrader --upgrade", but the system will already run elive-upgrader from time to time so do not care |
| 12:29.16 | Thanatermesis | good, seems like to work in both (battery good / battery bad) cases now |
| 12:29.18 | keyra | yepee! fresh packages uploaded! yummy yummy :D |
| 12:29.32 | Thanatermesis | grottem, can you test again to confirm that it works? (apug & restart confs) |
| 12:29.38 | Thanatermesis | food time calling me! brb :) |
| 12:29.40 | keyra | :) |
| 12:29.45 | grottem | ok have a good meal |
| 12:29.52 | grottem | i'll do it in a second |
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| 12:39.53 | grottem | Thanatermesis, |
| 12:39.55 | grottem | worked |
| 13:53.58 | Thanatermesis | back |
| 13:54.00 | Thanatermesis | grottem, nice! :) |
| 13:54.03 | keyra | :) |
| 14:00.19 | Thanatermesis | grottem, jfbourdeau: we may need a different name for the discourse, so instead of "elive forum", which names can be good to use? |
| 14:00.59 | grottem | :p Elive bar :p |
| 14:01.01 | keyra | :þ |
| 14:01.16 | grottem | Elive Pub? |
| 14:01.51 | Thanatermesis | i wonder if this discourse can be used as a BTS (bug tracking system) too... sicne can be more userfriendly for the users to report things |
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| 14:01.53 | keyra | wonder! wonder! |
| 14:01.56 | keyra | BTS Bug Tracking System http://bugs.elivecd.org |
| 14:01.58 | keyra | welcome EliveWeb_27151! If you have any problem with Elive just talk to Thanatermesi if is here or report it to http://bugs.elivecd.org to better assist and having you notified about it easier. |
| 14:02.42 | Thanatermesis | grottem, well, i dont quite know to what can be used the discourse website, as a personal blog too? jfbourdeau?, so in such case it can be good for users to write things like tutorials too, mmh... |
| 14:03.26 | Thanatermesis | Elive lovers, Elive community, Elive users (nah!), Elive techies (nah!), Elive talks, hum... |
| 14:03.55 | Thanatermesis | also to make it to look different, so the email notifications are "Elive Forum" right now, just like the other forum, people will think that is the same website! |
| 14:08.28 | jfbourdeau | sorry, am busy for an hour... WIll get back to you |
| 14:27.30 | jfbourdeau | https://www.discourse.org/features |
| 14:29.36 | grottem | hmmm |
| 14:29.36 | jfbourdeau | About Discourse : or now I only used the forums features ans Polls feature... don't think it can be a ticket / burg report system |
| 14:33.57 | jfbourdeau | So for now : discourse = forums and " May be " blog ( we need to dig and find if could be used for the blog... I don't know ) |
| 14:36.12 | Thanatermesis | yeah seems like incomplete to be a ticket system |
| 14:36.39 | Thanatermesis | but we can use "bug" #tags and close status (if im not wrong), which is a good (extra) thing too |
| 14:36.50 | Thanatermesis | there's some interesting plugins that we can implement |
| 14:36.55 | Thanatermesis | like a polls one, that is a must |
| 14:37.18 | Thanatermesis | and most of these too: |
| 14:37.19 | Thanatermesis | Users to log in only via your pre-existing website's registration system? Configure Single-Sign-On. |
| 14:37.19 | Thanatermesis | Users to log in via Google, Twitter, GitHub, or Facebook? |
| 14:37.20 | Thanatermesis | Users to post replies via email? Configure reply via email. |
| 14:37.20 | Thanatermesis | Automatic daily backups? Configure backups. |
| 14:37.21 | Thanatermesis | Free HTTPS / SSL support? Configure Let's Encrypt. Paid HTTPS / SSL support? Configure SSL. |
| 14:37.22 | keyra | fuck github! http://www.elivecd.org/news/rip-github-microsoft |
| 14:37.23 | Thanatermesis | Use a plugin from Discourse or a third party? Configure plugins |
| 14:37.25 | Thanatermesis | Multiple Discourse sites on the same server? Configure multisite. |
| 14:37.27 | Thanatermesis | Webhooks when events happen in Discourse? Configure webhooks. |
| 14:37.29 | Thanatermesis | A Content Delivery Network to speed up worldwide access? Configure a CDN. We recommend Fastly. |
| 14:37.31 | Thanatermesis | Import old content from vBulletin, PHPbb, Vanilla, Drupal, BBPress, etc? See our open source importers. |
| 14:37.33 | Thanatermesis | A user friendly offline page when rebuilding or upgrading? |
| 14:37.35 | Thanatermesis | To embed Discourse in your WordPress install, or on your static HTML site? |
| 14:37.49 | Thanatermesis | not sure if these was extra or already-included plugins |
| 14:42.02 | Thanatermesis | jfbourdeau, finished to install discourse, im configuring it now |
| 14:42.50 | jfbourdeau | Cool ! Sorry I am helping someone to configure a syncronization tool... Will be available soon |
| 14:43.23 | jfbourdeau | using https://syncthing.net/ |
| 14:52.03 | jfbourdeau | We'll take a look at how others structured their forums and duplicate good ideas they had using discourse |
| 14:52.07 | jfbourdeau | https://forum.syncthing.net/ |
| 14:52.08 | jfbourdeau | https://discourse.ubuntubudgie.org/ |
| 14:52.10 | jfbourdeau | https://community.endlessos.com/ |
| 14:52.35 | Thanatermesis | https://www.discourse.org/plugins |
| 14:52.47 | jfbourdeau | yes as a forum thread can be marked as " COMPLETE / ANSWERED" may be you could use is for bugs report... It's up to you / we'll test. |
| 14:54.03 | Thanatermesis | never tried syncthing, i use unison and more htan happy with :) (bidirectional sync data among computers, based on the last modified ones, you can also compare them and merge differences if something changed in both places |
| 14:54.17 | Thanatermesis | 2<20jfbourdeau2> We'll take a look at how others structured their forums and duplicate good ideas they had using discourse |
| 14:54.19 | Thanatermesis | good! :) |
| 14:54.20 | jfbourdeau | example of poll : |
| 14:54.21 | keyra | :) |
| 14:54.22 | jfbourdeau | https://discourse.ubuntubudgie.org/t/image-and-photo-viewing-software-poll/677 |
| 14:57.31 | Thanatermesis | "Elive You" |
| 14:57.32 | Thanatermesis | lol |
| 14:57.34 | Thanatermesis | searching names |
| 15:17.25 | jfbourdeau | ok I'm back ! Syncronisation done! ( a business man needed to sync some data between home/Office and I had to help a friend / IT guy to fix the problem,... was a simple Firewall problem) |
| 15:17.33 | jfbourdeau | I will now read what you wrote |
| 15:19.28 | jfbourdeau | Yes I love those / agree we need it : Users to log in only via your pre-existing website's registration system? Configure Single-Sign-On. Users to log in via Google, Twitter, GitHub, or Facebook? Users to post replies via email? Configure reply via email. |
| 15:19.30 | keyra | fuck github! http://www.elivecd.org/news/rip-github-microsoft |
| 15:28.38 | Thanatermesis | damn! how hard is to make a stupid (beautiful) logo ! |
| 15:28.55 | jfbourdeau | :-D |
| 15:29.03 | Thanatermesis | tring to mix the Elive logo with some community-concept images, the results are worse than horrible |
| 15:31.30 | Thanatermesis | http://main.elivecd.org/ss/e-5b47744b308982.11952249.jpg jfbourdeau grottem |
| 15:32.12 | jfbourdeau | last one 4 |
| 15:32.14 | Thanatermesis | these are so ugly that the website will have unsubscriptions (and there's 0 users actually) |
| 15:32.43 | jfbourdeau | or just use the logo you already have |
| 15:32.56 | Thanatermesis | yeah, maybe 4.png as a temporal one since makes sense the concept... but hum... |
| 15:33.12 | Thanatermesis | yeah, the idea was to differentiate a bit, but maybe should be used the same one |
| 15:33.42 | jfbourdeau | the idea is ok / good but, you are a "one man shop" and it is may be not a priority ? |
| 15:34.02 | Thanatermesis | http://main.elivecd.org/ss/e-5b4774e6ee6189.94404416.jpg |
| 15:34.21 | Thanatermesis | yup, i just try to finish configure the website |
| 15:35.03 | Thanatermesis | but the website needs to be "as best as possible", otherwise if not attractive/working/pleasant/etcetcetc the expected result will not happen (people won't want to use it ,etc) |
| 15:35.48 | Thanatermesis | i think that will be better looking to leave the plain/default Elive logo... |
| 15:35.56 | jfbourdeau | YEP, web site need to be sharp, forum to and as for me : Download process simple LOL |
| 15:36.12 | jfbourdeau | yes keep your actual logo |
| 15:52.43 | Thanatermesis | damn, there's a ton of options to configure in discourse panel... |
| 15:52.46 | Thanatermesis | which is good |
| 15:53.32 | Thanatermesis | and these options needs to be set carefully, to avoid spam or security holes... |
| 15:54.17 | Thanatermesis | i have blacklisted using hotmail/live/outlook emails jfbourdeau, unless we can made them to not go to spam (actually they ALL works correctly received in every email system, except for the microsoft ones... (of coursef |
| 15:54.30 | keyra | don't use hotmail, it's from microsoft and everything from them is garbage, hotmails makes real emails go to spam and spam go to inbox, they also don't like linux so you will never receive emails from Elive if you use hotmail, simply use Gmail, is safe and reliable |
| 15:59.35 | Thanatermesis | nice, weekly automated backups, manual backups, and the option to restore a backup state :), that can be good for hte first times using it... (mistakes and stuff) |
| 15:59.40 | Thanatermesis | > Send an email for every new post by default. |
| 15:59.54 | Thanatermesis | nice... tons of options, maybe this one can be good to have until the community grows |
| 16:08.48 | Thanatermesis | wooo nice! we can have own emojis like in the old forum ! yepeeeeeeeee |
| 16:08.50 | Thanatermesis | keyra dance! |
| 16:08.53 | keyra | here? seriosly.. how? |
| 16:16.27 | Thanatermesis | basically we need to: make the new forum ready before to make it public (good configured, betatested, no bugs, plugins wanted, etc), what i dont know is how to keep a track of the needed things/steps, i mean, in a handy & fast way |
| 16:22.52 | jfbourdeau | When you can : 1) Provide me an access 2) we'll create a forum for you, me and a few people you can choose if you want so we can discuss the structure, hierachy of the forum... SO choose a few loyal good elive addict and we'll discuss within Discrouse the section we need |
| 16:23.12 | jfbourdeau | or we can do it only you and me as you want |
| 16:23.48 | jfbourdeau | I am familard with forums tools, PHPBB etc but like you, I need to get up to speed with Discourse, as an admin.... |
| 16:23.58 | Thanatermesis | try to login with google: forum.elivelinux.org |
| 16:24.44 | jfbourdeau | Error: redirect_uri_mismatch |
| 16:24.45 | jfbourdeau | The redirect URI in the request, http://forum.elivelinux.org:25654/auth/google_oauth2/callback, does not match the ones authorized for the OAuth client. To update the authorized redirect URIs, visit: https://console.developers.google.com/apis/credentials/oauthclient/811783463836-djfutaf068r13kbgfpo7d09pu4clvhdo.apps.googleusercontent.com?project=811783463836 |
| 16:24.55 | keyra | to upgrade your elive system manually you can run the command "apug" or "elive-upgrader --upgrade", but the system will already run elive-upgrader from time to time so do not care |
| 16:24.59 | Thanatermesis | !memo grottem wanna help making a good new Forum website? https://forum.elivelinux.org |
| 16:24.59 | keyra | Ok, I'll notify grottem when I see him/her around! |
| 16:25.00 | keyra | actual developers are Thanatermesis and PrinceAMD, maybe I forgot others? well, im only a bot :þ |
| 16:25.02 | jfbourdeau | didn't worked in chrome and firefox |
| 16:25.03 | Thanatermesis | !memo Naglfar wanna help making a good new Forum website? https://forum.elivelinux.org |
| 16:25.04 | keyra | Ok, I'll notify Naglfar when I see him/her around! |
| 16:25.19 | Thanatermesis | !memo Elmo40 wanna help making a good new Forum website? https://forum.elivelinux.org |
| 16:25.20 | keyra | Ok, I'll notify Elmo40 when I see him/her around! |
| 16:25.29 | grottem | i'm here |
| 16:25.29 | keyra | grottem, memo for you: <Thanatermesis/#elive/2018-07-12 18:24> wanna help making a good new Forum website? https://forum.elivelinux.org |
| 16:25.38 | grottem | sorry Thanatermesis |
| 16:25.39 | Thanatermesis | heh, seems like i cannot reuse the configuration from the BTS :), i will need to set a new oauth for google logins... |
| 16:25.43 | keyra | BTS Bug Tracking System http://bugs.elivecd.org |
| 16:25.46 | Thanatermesis | give me a few minutes :) |
| 16:25.47 | grottem | i'm doing manythings at once :p |
| 16:25.49 | keyra | :) |
| 16:25.49 | keyra | :þ |
| 16:25.51 | Thanatermesis | jfbourdeau, have you see? httpS |
| 16:25.56 | Thanatermesis | future Elive website will have S too |
| 16:25.56 | Thanatermesis | lol |
| 16:26.17 | grottem | Thanatermesis, https is going to be mandatory |
| 16:26.36 | Thanatermesis | grottem, well, no need to be now, im just talking about an admin account and some organization to have a very nice community website |
| 16:26.41 | Thanatermesis | yup |
| 16:26.53 | Thanatermesis | but Elive website still need many work to do lol |
| 16:26.56 | grottem | ok :-) |
| 16:28.36 | grottem | but you are doing great work thana ;) |
| 16:29.06 | Thanatermesis | :) |
| 16:29.23 | Thanatermesis | now the forum only needs to allow to login... lol |
| 16:29.43 | jfbourdeau | ok I am back, am multitasking here too ( work life, family life, internet life ) |
| 16:29.50 | keyra | multitasking means screwing up several things at once, and productivity is decreased hard... but that's not the case for the robots :) |
| 16:29.56 | jfbourdeau | do you want me to create an normal account with user and password |
| 16:30.08 | jfbourdeau | I'll create a 2nd different account if we need to test gmail later |
| 16:30.19 | Thanatermesis | jfbourdeau, i think that for now we can just -use- the new forum to keep track of needs/changes/customizations etc... (instead of a bug/ticketing system), maybe not the best option but that should allow also to betatest it in the same time! |
| 16:30.36 | jfbourdeau | ok |
| 16:30.41 | Thanatermesis | i assume that topics/threads/forums can be private or deleted in the future |
| 16:30.49 | jfbourdeau | yes I supposed so too |
| 16:30.50 | Thanatermesis | only admins/moderators threads |
| 16:31.07 | Thanatermesis | 2<20jfbourdeau2> do you want me to create an normal account with user and password |
| 16:31.09 | Thanatermesis | nope |
| 16:31.15 | Thanatermesis | we need those social logins working |
| 16:31.18 | Thanatermesis | so better to just use them |
| 16:31.30 | Thanatermesis | <jfbourdeau> I'll create a 2nd different account if we need to test gmail later |
| 16:31.38 | Thanatermesis | thats good for tests :), with a secondary email etc etc |
| 16:31.39 | jfbourdeau | yes I know I am just creating an account so I can get familliar with the admin interface |
| 16:32.26 | jfbourdeau | failed. it didn't worked |
| 16:33.02 | jfbourdeau | when you have time let me know if you saw a user jfbourdeau name YODA I was KickedOut of the forum tool after pushing the last SAVE / Create button |
| 16:33.29 | Thanatermesis | which error? |
| 16:33.53 | jfbourdeau | trying again to be more precise one seond,... will record ( video) |
| 16:33.59 | Thanatermesis | jfbourdeau, i have see some problem with the urls before, like "example.comuser" instead of "example.com/user" |
| 16:34.03 | Thanatermesis | lacking the / |
| 16:34.08 | keyra | thanks for reporting the issue, by knowing it we can solve the problem for you and for everybody else affected, please use the BTS for that: http://bugs.elivecd.org |
| 16:34.14 | Thanatermesis | nah no video |
| 16:34.20 | jfbourdeau | LOL Ok |
| 16:34.32 | Thanatermesis | that takes time |
| 16:36.35 | jfbourdeau | ok I used the forgot password feature (jfbourdeau has been created) as he didn't wanted me to use it ( so it meant it worked the 1st time)... I am now in as jfbourdeau... Grant Admin to that user when you can |
| 16:36.58 | jfbourdeau | I will now again try to Register as a new user to see if I again, have a BUG |
| 16:37.07 | jfbourdeau | with a 2nd user jfbourdeau2 |
| 16:37.52 | Thanatermesis | no video, just make a screenshot and show the url to see the error |
| 16:37.56 | jfbourdeau | Hmm. Weâre having trouble finding that site. |
| 16:37.58 | jfbourdeau | We canât connect to the server at forum.elivelinux.orgu. |
| 16:37.59 | jfbourdeau | If that address is correct, here are three other things you can try: |
| 16:38.01 | jfbourdeau | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:38.01 | keyra | press the Print/Sys key of your keyboard and it will make a screenshot, or open the menu of applications, or alt + right-click in a window to screenshot this window only |
| 16:38.02 | jfbourdeau | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:38.04 | jfbourdeau | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:38.05 | jfbourdeau | on that url : https://forum.elivelinux.orgu/account-created |
| 16:38.08 | keyra | use the "impr sys" key of your keyboard to take a screenshot, you can also share it with the obtained web link! |
| 16:38.23 | jfbourdeau | but I assume like last time, the account has been created |
| 16:38.45 | Thanatermesis | seems like we still have the URL problems |
| 16:38.49 | Thanatermesis | orgu -> org/u |
| 16:39.10 | Thanatermesis | give me a minute and i check that |
| 16:39.24 | Thanatermesis | jfbourdeau, i will better delete your actual user so that you can create it again in a new test, thats ok? |
| 16:39.34 | jfbourdeau | no wait |
| 16:39.38 | jfbourdeau | here is what happen |
| 16:40.13 | jfbourdeau | when I registered as a new user again jfbourdeau2 I got the same ERROR on the screen.... BUT, the user was created and did receive the activation email and is functionnal 100% |
| 16:40.48 | Thanatermesis | do you have a screenshot of the error? or it is just that URL problem? |
| 16:41.03 | jfbourdeau | so it's just that for someone that is not patient or not good, what he sees is that it didn't worked... but when he check his email, within 2conds he does receive th activation email to complete the process |
| 16:41.06 | keyra | thanks for reporting the issue, by knowing it we can solve the problem for you and for everybody else affected, please use the BTS for that: http://bugs.elivecd.org |
| 16:41.41 | Thanatermesis | yeah email works, thats a good thing |
| 16:41.49 | Thanatermesis | give a minute and ill check that URL problem |
| 16:41.51 | grottem | jeej for email |
| 16:41.52 | grottem | :) |
| 16:41.54 | keyra | :) |
| 16:42.00 | Thanatermesis | yeah! damn emails! |
| 16:42.13 | grottem | Thanatermesis, if you need something make sure you mention my name so i get a ping :p |
| 16:42.15 | keyra | :þ |
| 16:42.26 | grottem | otherwise i miss something imporatant :p |
| 16:43.16 | jfbourdeau | OK I have screenshot, now trying to figure out how to give them to you here (probably dropbox simpler for me ) |
| 16:43.24 | keyra | use the "impr sys" key of your keyboard to take a screenshot, you can also share it with the obtained web link! |
| 16:44.14 | jfbourdeau | https://www.dropbox.com/s/36j1a91wnyynpdu/Screenshot%20from%202018-07-12%2012%3A42%3A43.png?dl=0 |
| 16:44.23 | jfbourdeau | https://www.dropbox.com/s/d5ipi3339aub6wf/Screenshot%20from%202018-07-12%2012%3A42%3A01.png?dl=0 |
| 16:45.23 | Thanatermesis | yeah, url problem: .orgu shoudl be .org/u |
| 16:45.28 | jfbourdeau | so one picture show the creation window, once I push CREATE ACCOUNT the next picture show what appear |
| 16:45.55 | jfbourdeau | LOL I missed it :-) |
| 16:45.59 | jfbourdeau | yea URL problem |
| 16:51.41 | jfbourdeau | BTW delete all my users when you can |
| 17:13.50 | Thanatermesis | ok, finally |
| 17:14.00 | Thanatermesis | everything seems fixed now (i hope!) |
| 17:14.14 | Thanatermesis | jfbourdeau, make a new try with google and also the normal register-user mode |
| 17:36.00 | Thanatermesis | twitter login also enabled, but hum... it says "this application will be able to: update your profile" wtf |
| 17:37.31 | Thanatermesis | LOL WTf, none of the links you showed me jfbourdeau about discourse websites has the plugin of twitter correctly working (all of them returns error) |
| 17:39.50 | Thanatermesis | ok, i configured twitter to only "read-mode" (not read-write) since i dont think that to WRITE in the user's profile twitter can be useful/needed (and its also a scary message) |
| 17:44.52 | jfbourdeau | did you deleted my others accounts ? |
| 17:44.59 | Thanatermesis | yes |
| 17:45.40 | jfbourdeau | for google : Sorry, there was an error authorizing your account. Perhaps you did not approve authorization? |
| 17:48.07 | Thanatermesis | hum |
| 17:49.24 | Thanatermesis | try twitter |
| 17:51.36 | jfbourdeau | for twitter, some kind of work but was confusing.... Will explain later, after one more test. |
| 17:51.40 | jfbourdeau | delete my account |
| 17:51.55 | jfbourdeau | I will be able to try in 15 minutes... Need to do something else |
| 17:52.05 | Thanatermesis | done |
| 17:52.10 | Thanatermesis | ok |
| 17:52.13 | jfbourdeau | I will create now a jfbourdeau account manualy user and pw and please give it admin control |
| 17:52.23 | Thanatermesis | ok |
| 18:04.27 | *** join/#elive Elive_user_ru_22 (~Elive_use@62.68.142.254) |
| 18:04.32 | keyra | welcome to Elive, Elive_user_ru_22! =) |
| 18:04.41 | keyra | how is your experience with Elive so far? any suggestion or issue to report us so we can make it better? for a direct assistance just talk to Thanatermesi or use http://bugs.elivecd.org , your feedbacks is important for improve Elive and your reports are for the correct work for everybody! |
| 18:05.19 | jfbourdeau | Activation link email does not work |
| 18:05.24 | jfbourdeau | at least for me |
| 18:05.39 | jfbourdeau | Welcome to Elive Forum 2.0! |
| 18:05.40 | jfbourdeau | Click the following link to confirm and activate your new account: |
| 18:05.41 | jfbourdeau | http://forum.elivelinux.org/u/activate-account/7f3b5feeb125a2e6b0606514ff853acc |
| 18:05.43 | jfbourdeau | If the above link is not clickable, try copying and pasting it into the address bar of your web browser. |
| 18:06.00 | jfbourdeau | if I lick that, it doesn't say account activated.... I just end up in somekinf of loop |
| 18:06.34 | jfbourdeau | it binrg me to login screen, I log, and tell me I didn't click the link, I ask to resend the link and I endup cliking again the link to log again.. |
| 18:07.29 | jfbourdeau | a video would show it to you if you want... Easy for me to do a video LOL |
| 18:08.39 | Thanatermesis | duh! it gave you an http link and not an https |
| 18:09.04 | Thanatermesis | so link cannot work |
| 18:09.11 | Thanatermesis | mmh.. stupid nginx rules |
| 18:09.26 | Thanatermesis | no video! that's 100x times slower to report lol |
| 18:09.59 | jfbourdeau | :-) |
| 18:11.00 | jfbourdeau | if I change manualy the link they sent me, and put https I can activate |
| 18:11.08 | Thanatermesis | maybe it can work good without the nginx extra proxy... |
| 18:11.17 | Thanatermesis | yeah, but dont do that |
| 18:11.20 | Thanatermesis | we are betatesting |
| 18:11.22 | jfbourdeau | jfbourdeau now active LOL |
| 18:11.30 | jfbourdeau | no problem I will test with another account |
| 18:11.34 | Thanatermesis | we dont want the account to be activated, we want the system be ABLE to activate correctly the accounts lol |
| 18:11.45 | Thanatermesis | <jfbourdeau> no problem I will test with another account |
| 18:11.47 | jfbourdeau | but if jfbourdeau can be admin, I'll be able to save you time deleting account for me |
| 18:11.52 | Thanatermesis | wait, it will give you the same problem until i fix that |
| 18:12.25 | jfbourdeau | I know but U can move forward getting familiar with admin access, test twitter and delete my test accounts etc etc |
| 18:12.34 | jfbourdeau | I can move forward I meant |
| 18:12.57 | Thanatermesis | let me finish to configure the other logins systems and we will test/fix the other ones |
| 18:13.04 | jfbourdeau | ok |
| 18:13.05 | Thanatermesis | is twitter & google ones working now? |
| 18:13.37 | jfbourdeau | give me admin access... I want to delete myself my google or twitter account if possible |
| 18:13.45 | jfbourdeau | but for now delete anything not jfbourdeau |
| 18:14.01 | jfbourdeau | Will try again Twitter as it was akward the 1st time I tried |
| 18:20.22 | jfbourdeau | ok tks admin access works... now trying Google and twitter |
| 18:20.46 | jfbourdeau | GOogle : |
| 18:20.48 | jfbourdeau | Corrupted Content Error |
| 18:20.50 | jfbourdeau | The site at https://forum.elivelinux.org/auth/google_oauth2 has experienced a network protocol violation that cannot be repaired. |
| 18:20.51 | jfbourdeau | The page you are trying to view cannot be shown because an error in the data transmission was detected. |
| 18:20.53 | jfbourdeau | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:21.05 | jfbourdeau | Corrupted Content Error |
| 18:21.20 | Thanatermesis | admin granted |
| 18:21.55 | jfbourdeau | Testing again google (as when cliking TRAY AGAIN seemed to work ! after the error... doing it again step by step ) |
| 18:21.59 | Thanatermesis | > has experienced a network protocol violation that cannot be repaired. |
| 18:22.02 | Thanatermesis | lol that sounds funny |
| 18:22.06 | keyra | see! a zoidberg in a single line! (\/) (°,,,°) (\/) |
| 18:22.10 | Thanatermesis | i was restarting the server so that could have been the cause |
| 18:23.04 | Thanatermesis | facebook login enabled, but dont try it, seems like i need to rebuild the confs (10 minutes, duh!) for that |
| 18:24.17 | jfbourdeau | Google worked on Chrome ! Doing more testing and will give you the final results when I am sure of what i see and experience |
| 18:24.28 | Thanatermesis | perfect :) |
| 18:24.31 | keyra | :) |
| 18:25.42 | jfbourdeau | You're the best LOL Twitter is working too |
| 18:26.09 | jfbourdeau | IN the user profile ( as an admin) if we click Logins " SHOW" we see the authentication method |
| 18:26.27 | jfbourdeau | so there is one jf bourdeau authentified through google and one twitter |
| 18:27.22 | jfbourdeau | Facebook seems to work well too ! |
| 18:28.39 | Thanatermesis | perfect! :) |
| 18:28.44 | Thanatermesis | only github login remaining |
| 18:28.46 | Thanatermesis | just added :) |
| 18:28.47 | keyra | fuck github! http://www.elivecd.org/news/rip-github-microsoft |
| 18:30.31 | jfbourdeau | Keyra behave ! :-) |
| 18:31.30 | jfbourdeau | GitHub seem to work well too |
| 18:32.16 | jfbourdeau | BTW interface is " FAST " That is cool |
| 18:32.41 | Thanatermesis | nice! :) |
| 18:32.43 | Thanatermesis | yeah very fast |
| 18:32.44 | keyra | :) |
| 18:32.54 | Thanatermesis | but im going to switch off the nginx proxy, so -maybe- it becomes slower |
| 18:32.59 | Thanatermesis | we will see how it works... |
| 18:35.32 | jfbourdeau | BTW it's cool to do your discourse STUFF on 2 screen.... on the left ( ADMIN) on the right ( normal user) so you see / can validate what sections or forums a normal user can see ( have access too) |
| 18:36.11 | Thanatermesis | yeah! :) |
| 18:36.13 | keyra | :) |
| 18:36.27 | Thanatermesis | its always important to see hte results of what's configuring in |
| 18:37.24 | Thanatermesis | jfbourdeau, tell me when you are ready so that i can rebuild the configurations |
| 18:37.32 | Thanatermesis | so website will not work for 10 min |
| 18:39.10 | jfbourdeau | ok you can go ahead... I will kep me busy with other things... my schedule for today : I will be available for the next 4.5 hours, after that PAUSE( something else) and atfer that will continue playing with the forum |
| 18:41.05 | Thanatermesis | ok :) |
| 18:41.08 | keyra | :) |
| 18:41.13 | Thanatermesis | so let me see if i can switch that https thing... |
| 18:56.28 | Thanatermesis | perfect, server UP with https in real/inside server (not external nginx/proxy) |
| 18:56.40 | Thanatermesis | jfbourdeau, server up, all the previous problems should be fixed now |
| 18:56.41 | jfbourdeau | ok cool |
| 18:56.48 | Thanatermesis | tell me if you feel the server slower now :) |
| 18:56.51 | keyra | :) |
| 18:57.12 | Thanatermesis | can you also try again the "register via email" option? |
| 18:57.17 | jfbourdeau | I don't know if it is slower, if it is, I don't feel it |
| 18:57.27 | jfbourdeau | ok will do |
| 19:02.43 | Thanatermesis | that's good then :) |
| 19:02.45 | keyra | :) |
| 19:03.07 | Thanatermesis | grottem, register! i grant you admin too |
| 19:03.12 | Thanatermesis | forum.elivelinux.org |
| 19:03.37 | grottem | ok |
| 19:05.08 | jfbourdeau | yes by email ok |
| 19:05.21 | jfbourdeau | link was http but been redirected to https and worked |
| 19:05.25 | Thanatermesis | jfbourdeau, after to test normal email register, we should also test a "send invite" (user receives invites via email and able to register from that link) |
| 19:05.38 | jfbourdeau | ok |
| 19:05.38 | Thanatermesis | good :) now the server manages it correctly |
| 19:08.43 | grottem | Thanatermesis, |
| 19:08.57 | jfbourdeau | Than.. " we should also test a "send invite" (user receives invites via email and able to register from that link) " you meen you would mass email an invite ? Or what ? |
| 19:09.07 | grottem | what is the process name of run everything |
| 19:10.09 | Thanatermesis | grottem, of run what? |
| 19:10.20 | grottem | alt+f2 |
| 19:10.46 | Thanatermesis | jfbourdeau, yes, probably (in the future), we need to test that it works and the experience/process is nice... i think that you have the "invite" option in your user profile |
| 19:11.08 | Thanatermesis | grottem, in the window borders you have the Elive hotkeys help, i think that is alt + esc |
| 19:11.23 | grottem | also |
| 19:11.24 | Thanatermesis | grottem, oh, process? it is an enlightenment emodule, so no process, just E |
| 19:11.38 | grottem | so i can't kill it? |
| 19:11.42 | grottem | without killing e? |
| 19:15.02 | grottem | i can start apps from it |
| 19:15.07 | grottem | but the thing won't close |
| 19:15.51 | Thanatermesis | !memo grottem if it is stuck just reload E: ctrl + alt + end |
| 19:15.52 | keyra | Ok, I'll notify grottem when I see him/her around! |
| 19:15.58 | keyra | hit 'ctrl + alt + end' for reload your desktop, or use the menu Enlightenment -> restart |
| 19:16.15 | *** join/#elive grottem (~grottem@ptr-1lh403gswucpb0w760o.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be) |
| 19:16.15 | keyra | grottem, memo for you: <Thanatermesis/#elive/2018-07-12 21:15> if it is stuck just reload E: ctrl + alt + end |
| 19:16.59 | grottem | yeah that did the trick |
| 19:17.51 | jfbourdeau | invite by email works well |
| 19:18.20 | jfbourdeau | as an admin I had access to the invite "button" as a normal user I suppose we need to give them accesss to that feature |
| 19:19.34 | Thanatermesis | idk, maybe users can invite users to join the forums too |
| 19:19.39 | Thanatermesis | but that is not a bad thing :) |
| 19:19.42 | keyra | :) |
| 19:19.43 | jfbourdeau | forum down but I supposed it is normal / you're doing some magic |
| 19:19.51 | jfbourdeau | up now |
| 19:20.06 | Thanatermesis | yup :) |
| 19:21.48 | grottem | finaly logged in |
| 19:27.04 | Thanatermesis | "finally" ? was your experience painful? :) (that is important to know) |
| 19:29.51 | jfbourdeau | Admins : should admins / moderator use real " human / normal " name in the forums ? Or we don't care ? ( yoda, grottem, thanatemesis ) ok ? |
| 19:30.35 | grottem | jfbourdeau, what's wrong with nicknames? |
| 19:31.09 | grottem | Thanatermesis, no the fault was all mine |
| 19:31.33 | grottem | if you use a complicated pswd and you can't remeber it :p hahah |
| 19:31.36 | keyra | :þ |
| 19:31.58 | grottem | then i have loads of fun with all my browsers :p |
| 19:32.19 | jfbourdeau | ok nickname ;) |
| 19:32.22 | Thanatermesis | jfbourdeau, i preffer nicknames, most of geeks (lets say linux users) preffer them too |
| 19:32.34 | Thanatermesis | also is a way that users use the "name" that they wants to be called |
| 19:33.01 | jfbourdeau | I am now Yoda !!! :-) |
| 19:33.22 | grottem | in addition if users join the chat |
| 19:33.31 | grottem | they know who's who |
| 19:33.32 | Thanatermesis | > Ma femme m'a fais désinstaller ELive apres 1 heure, mais moi je trouvais certain de des gadget amusants lOL. |
| 19:33.48 | Thanatermesis | jfbourdeau, ^ i know who is going to do the betatest of the new 3-profiles selector :) |
| 19:33.51 | keyra | :) |
| 19:34.06 | grottem | haha Thanatermesis |
| 19:34.08 | Thanatermesis | yep grottem +1 |
| 19:34.08 | keyra | Thanatermesis(6) gave +1 for grottem(4). |
| 19:34.15 | jfbourdeau | Me, myself and my wife |
| 19:34.40 | Thanatermesis | > Moi non plus, je n'aime pas cela moi non plus, mais j'ai été trop paresseux pour chercher où on doit aller pour désactiver cela. |
| 19:34.43 | grottem | jeej :D |
| 19:34.44 | Thanatermesis | non possible to deactivate |
| 19:34.53 | Thanatermesis | but can you tell me "whatr you dont like from them? |
| 19:35.03 | Thanatermesis | since they are hidden, should not be an obtrusive feature |
| 19:35.34 | jfbourdeau | who is hidden ? |
| 19:35.59 | jfbourdeau | for now my username(login name) is the one I see in a post and not my NAME ( yoda) |
| 19:36.59 | Thanatermesis | jfbourdeau, the "extra options in the window borders", they are hidden, or you are talking about another thing? |
| 19:37.26 | jfbourdeau | ok forget it... though you were talking about something in discourse |
| 19:39.31 | Thanatermesis | so what are the "not nice" thing in the window borders? let me understand :) |
| 19:39.33 | keyra | :) |
| 19:39.50 | jfbourdeau | Most company using discourse kept the default 20 cartacters in a post... I hate that... you ? |
| 19:41.11 | jfbourdeau | Than... ELIVE DISCUSSION : I meant, at the top of he window, near the close, enlarge minimuze, there is a bunch of litte icons there... Personaly I dont like them... |
| 19:42.01 | Thanatermesis | jfbourdeau, about the "painful 24h download delay" experience, in the past it was somewhat forced to donate for install elive, before it was forced for the download, now its optional for the download (donate or wait 1 day), it can be painful but donations are the only way to make the project survive (so that I can eat to continue working lol), there's no other way... i dont want to make painful experience but i dont know any other better w |
| 19:42.01 | Thanatermesis | ... by other side the time can be changed (i tried switching to 1 hour, or 1 week, to see how much changes, i may need to try this again) |
| 19:42.15 | Thanatermesis | To detail this better: half of the donations are generous (which is very good), but unfortunately there's tooooo few donations (one per day? approx), which makes the final result very low |
| 19:42.15 | Thanatermesis | |
| 19:42.50 | Thanatermesis | well, few characters in post are good so people can read fast whats the topic about, hum... |
| 19:43.04 | jfbourdeau | ok I'll set it to 5 |
| 19:43.24 | Thanatermesis | jfbourdeau, yeah these ones, i said that they (should not) be annoying because its a hidden menu, so it is not a n obtrusive experneice/feature |
| 19:44.00 | grottem | i think they are handy sometimes |
| 19:47.18 | Thanatermesis | yeah, the thing is "you can use them" or "you can ignore them" (since its hidden, blab la" |
| 19:47.23 | Thanatermesis | > Je viens juste de télécharger le ISO (DVD) 2.9.98 et j'ai eu l'erreur que le media n'etait pas bon, probleme avec le ISO, lors de l'installation |
| 19:47.24 | Thanatermesis | WTF |
| 19:47.25 | keyra | Thanatermesis ping |
| 19:47.26 | Thanatermesis | this is bad |
| 19:47.27 | Thanatermesis | very bad! |
| 19:47.28 | keyra | Thanatermesis ping, somebody needs you |
| 19:47.35 | Thanatermesis | keyra, yeah! world is ending! |
| 19:48.08 | jfbourdeau | about the ISO, I tried the a 2nd time with the ISO and the 2nd time it worked !! |
| 19:48.18 | jfbourdeau | I didn't figured out yet, what happened... |
| 19:48.24 | Thanatermesis | jfbourdeau, try this for me: wget http://www.elivecd.org/downloads/stable/2.9.98/elive_2.9.98_stable_hybrid.iso |
| 19:48.25 | jfbourdeau | Trying to reproduce the problem |
| 19:48.33 | Thanatermesis | tell me to which mirror is says that it redirects |
| 19:49.17 | jfbourdeau | isos.elive.4eigner.net |
| 19:49.26 | jfbourdeau | do you need me to download it and try it ? |
| 19:50.39 | jfbourdeau | through the Web browser |
| 19:50.47 | jfbourdeau | but trhough the comand line : |
| 19:50.49 | jfbourdeau | wget http://www.elivecd.org/downloads/stable/2.9.98/elive_2.9.98_stable_hybrid.iso |
| 19:50.50 | jfbourdeau | --2018-07-12 15:50:05-- http://www.elivecd.org/downloads/stable/2.9.98/elive_2.9.98_stable_hybrid.iso |
| 19:50.52 | jfbourdeau | Resolving www.elivecd.org (www.elivecd.org)... 188.226.235.52 |
| 19:50.53 | jfbourdeau | Connecting to www.elivecd.org (www.elivecd.org)|188.226.235.52|:80... connected. |
| 19:50.55 | jfbourdeau | HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 307 Temporary Redirect |
| 19:50.56 | jfbourdeau | Location: https://isos.elive.4eigner.net/development/kjowej/elive_2.9.98_stable_hybrid.iso [following] |
| 19:50.58 | jfbourdeau | --2018-07-12 15:50:06-- https://isos.elive.4eigner.net/development/kjowej/elive_2.9.98_stable_hybrid.iso |
| 19:50.59 | jfbourdeau | Resolving isos.elive.4eigner.net (isos.elive.4eigner.net)... 208.113.186.56 |
| 19:51.01 | jfbourdeau | Connecting to isos.elive.4eigner.net (isos.elive.4eigner.net)|208.113.186.56|:443... connected. |
| 19:51.02 | jfbourdeau | HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK |
| 19:51.04 | jfbourdeau | Length: 3476029440 (3.2G) [application/x-iso9660-image] |
| 19:51.05 | jfbourdeau | Saving to: âelive_2.9.98_stable_hybrid.isoâ |
| 19:51.07 | jfbourdeau | same thing |
| 19:54.36 | jfbourdeau | DISCOURSE LOG are cool... If I change forums settings and make a bade decision, you see what settings I changed |
| 19:54.38 | jfbourdeau | https://forum.elivelinux.org/admin/logs/staff_action_logs |
| 19:58.09 | Thanatermesis | these f**** of dreamhost... always with wrong connections, damn |
| 19:59.13 | Thanatermesis | the only way to solve the problem is by using an own mirror, but this costs 120$ more per year |
| 19:59.16 | grottem | is not allowed to see the logs :( |
| 20:00.08 | Thanatermesis | grottem, now you are (admin) :) |
| 20:00.10 | keyra | :) |
| 20:01.18 | Thanatermesis | new forum will cost 60$ extra per year |
| 20:05.37 | Thanatermesis | and maybe i need to upgrade it to the 120$ option... mmh |
| 20:06.49 | grottem | thinks Thanatermesis don't like @hotmail.* or @outlook.* mail addresses :p |
| 20:06.51 | keyra | :þ |
| 20:07.04 | keyra | don't use hotmail, it's from microsoft and everything from them is garbage, hotmails makes real emails go to spam and spam go to inbox, they also don't like linux so you will never receive emails from Elive if you use hotmail, simply use Gmail, is safe and reliable |
| 20:07.30 | Thanatermesis | grottem, that's true, but the main reason is that they don't like us, so all the emails goes to spam, solution? blacklist these emails and force users to use a reliable email like gmail |
| 20:07.55 | Thanatermesis | grottem, what is the message/thing that appeared if you try to use htomail* in the forum? |
| 20:08.10 | grottem | don't know i didn't tried it |
| 20:08.15 | grottem | i use the gmail XD |
| 20:08.25 | grottem | but i'll try give me sec |
| 20:11.31 | Thanatermesis | grottem, jfbourdeau, what is the time you think better for the download-free option? (actually 24h), 1 hour? 2, 4? |
| 20:11.53 | Thanatermesis | so the thing is: to not "lose users" because of the painful experience, and to not lose possible donations due to the "so easy free download" |
| 20:12.39 | grottem | Thanatermesis, i would keep it short for now |
| 20:12.58 | grottem | keep in mind we hope the 3.0 would boost download |
| 20:13.24 | grottem | and they are giving the question to donate after the first boot |
| 20:13.34 | grottem | i don't think the pop up is anoying |
| 20:13.34 | Thanatermesis | <grottem> keep in mind we hope the 3.0 would boost download |
| 20:13.41 | Thanatermesis | but distrowatch stopped to announce Elive versions |
| 20:13.43 | Thanatermesis | releases* |
| 20:13.52 | Thanatermesis | this is the BIGGEST damage in having users |
| 20:14.05 | Thanatermesis | Elive rank passed out of the top-100, this never happened before |
| 20:14.29 | grottem | yeah but maybe they would annouce the 3.0 |
| 20:14.55 | Thanatermesis | i dont have much hope... |
| 20:15.14 | Thanatermesis | but 1 announcment is not so important as constantly announce releases |
| 20:15.21 | Thanatermesis | that is just a 1 month boost, we need continuity |
| 20:16.50 | grottem | Thanatermesis, as i told you before i think you could reach that if the downloads are made more easy, using the up to date debian version and possibiility of an 64 bit system |
| 20:16.57 | keyra | elive is 32 bit, 64bits will be included after the release of 3.0, or you can run 64 bit executables too like this: http://forum.elivecd.org/read.php?58,8936,8957#msg-8957 |
| 20:17.16 | Thanatermesis | grottem, this is a ton of work that cannot happen before 3.0 |
| 20:17.27 | grottem | knows |
| 20:17.30 | Thanatermesis | this month only 78 $ in donations |
| 20:17.34 | Thanatermesis | not enough for food |
| 20:17.45 | Thanatermesis | fortunately i dont pay "housing" bills now |
| 20:17.51 | Thanatermesis | not even enough to pay the servers lol |
| 20:17.59 | grottem | i know your pain |
| 20:18.03 | grottem | trust me i do |
| 20:18.05 | grottem | i really do |
| 20:18.19 | Thanatermesis | 14 donnors: 78 $ |
| 20:18.26 | grottem | is thinking to take a cleaning job or somehting to earn some extra money |
| 20:18.27 | grottem | ... |
| 20:18.34 | grottem | but you need to build to it |
| 20:18.56 | grottem | i think the feel and look of elive is great now :) |
| 20:18.58 | keyra | :) |
| 20:19.27 | Thanatermesis | yeah but is not "worth" the work VS income |
| 20:19.37 | Thanatermesis | fortunately Elive is made by love and not interest lol |
| 20:19.44 | Thanatermesis | otherwise would have been rotten long time ago |
| 20:19.52 | grottem | :D |
| 20:20.23 | grottem | don't go rotten :p i finaly found a system i like :p |
| 20:20.25 | keyra | :þ |
| 20:20.44 | Thanatermesis | hopes that this is better explained in http://test.sandbox.elivecd.org/homepage-new/#costfree - for those who says "commercial distro", and "paying crapware" |
| 20:20.48 | keyra | are you searching for this? http://www.elivecd.org/?s=free |
| 20:24.09 | grottem | btw Thanatermesis |
| 20:24.09 | grottem | for the hotmail |
| 20:24.09 | grottem | if i fill in the form |
| 20:24.09 | keyra | don't use hotmail, it's from microsoft and everything from them is garbage, hotmails makes real emails go to spam and spam go to inbox, they also don't like linux so you will never receive emails from Elive if you use hotmail, simply use Gmail, is safe and reliable |
| 20:24.09 | grottem | i get a green check |
| 20:24.12 | grottem | so i think it's ok |
| 20:24.19 | grottem | when i click submit |
| 20:24.22 | jfbourdeau | THANA : "new forum will cost 60$ extra per year" Isn't it free ? |
| 20:24.24 | grottem | at the top i get a banner |
| 20:25.01 | grottem | Primary email is not allowed from that email provider. Please use another email address |
| 20:25.14 | Thanatermesis | jfbourdeau, free from who? lol |
| 20:25.28 | Thanatermesis | jfbourdeau, oh discourse? yes it is free, but i need to install it in a server |
| 20:25.59 | Thanatermesis | grottem, perfect! sounds good :) |
| 20:26.01 | keyra | :) |
| 20:26.28 | Thanatermesis | jfbourdeau, so, renting server, the cheapest option is 5$ month (60$ year), but it may need to upgrade to the 10$ option |
| 20:28.12 | jfbourdeau | for the renting, you meedn rent some Virtual Machine a AMazon or other provider who can rent a VM that is not expensive ? |
| 20:28.38 | jfbourdeau | sorry for typo... I make typo when typing fast... sometime too many |
| 20:28.56 | Thanatermesis | amazon is the worst experience i tried, ever |
| 20:29.07 | Thanatermesis | the hosting that i use is the best (and cheapest) one |
| 20:29.36 | jfbourdeau | As for hotmail, they will accept your emails don't worry... for now we'll concentrate on the forum and you on 3.0 and 64bits after... |
| 20:29.49 | keyra | don't use hotmail, it's from microsoft and everything from them is garbage, hotmails makes real emails go to spam and spam go to inbox, they also don't like linux so you will never receive emails from Elive if you use hotmail, simply use Gmail, is safe and reliable |
| 20:30.06 | Thanatermesis | <jfbourdeau> As for hotmail, they will accept your emails don't worry... for now we'll concentrate on the forum and you on 3.0 and 64bits after... |
| 20:30.10 | Thanatermesis | if i can still eat after 3.0 lol |
| 20:30.16 | jfbourdeau | I am ok backing the hosting fee for a while if you don't have somewhere to host your Forum... |
| 20:30.51 | Thanatermesis | well, as i said it is the cheapest option |
| 20:31.18 | Thanatermesis | now im worried about the isos... im tired of unreliable hostings that makes hte downloads broken to the users |
| 20:31.47 | Thanatermesis | this is like... well, in experience-talking: "i tried elive, doesnt works at all, doesnt boot, what a crapware, and i also needed to donate for download something tha tnot works" |
| 20:31.52 | jfbourdeau | I am not sure the iso are the problem |
| 20:31.58 | Naglfar | hello Thanatermesis |
| 20:31.58 | keyra | Naglfar, memo for you: <Thanatermesis/#elive/2018-07-12 18:25> wanna help making a good new Forum website? https://forum.elivelinux.org |
| 20:32.04 | Naglfar | hello jfbourdeau |
| 20:32.16 | Naglfar | hello grottem |
| 20:32.20 | grottem | hola Naglfar |
| 20:32.22 | keyra | que tal ? |
| 20:32.29 | Thanatermesis | the problem is the servers that are used for the mirrors of the isos, not the isos... servers reboots or has network probblems and the downloads are "cut" to everybody on that moment |
| 20:32.33 | keyra | Thanatermesis ping, somebody needs you |
| 20:32.42 | Thanatermesis | howdy! Naglfar :) |
| 20:32.45 | keyra | :) |
| 20:32.47 | jfbourdeau | I will make some test now... The same ISO didn't wort with that weird message about the iso and worked after... SO 1) I was able to boot a VM with the ISO but something went wrong at the install, compained about the ISO or the disk space... |
| 20:33.02 | jfbourdeau | Same iSO worked after I tried it again... |
| 20:33.38 | Thanatermesis | jfbourdeau, isos are good, servers that gives them to the user to "download" are not (connection cut, broken download) |
| 20:36.12 | jfbourdeau | I think what user are communicating to you is not clear let me explain : |
| 20:37.08 | jfbourdeau | I downloaded the iSO, I launched the VM with the ISO ( Elive working well), I launched the install, and " THERE " the problem happen after a while the installer told me there was a problem with the ISO... Or with my disk or with space... |
| 20:37.18 | keyra | to install elive in your hard disk just click in the last icon of the dock/bar, in live mode, follow the steps and select auto for everything if you want to have everything just working for you |
| 20:37.20 | keyra | Thanatermesis ping |
| 20:37.27 | jfbourdeau | I tried a 2nd installation with the same ISO, and no problems !!! But the settings I used were different |
| 20:37.31 | keyra | thanks for reporting the issue, by knowing it we can solve the problem for you and for everybody else affected, please use the BTS for that: http://bugs.elivecd.org |
| 20:37.33 | jfbourdeau | so I need to test more |
| 20:39.53 | Thanatermesis | jfbourdeau, im looking at the reports of your installation |
| 20:39.55 | Thanatermesis | D: [ /usr/sbin/eliveinstaller +97 ] Partitions is: |
| 20:39.55 | Thanatermesis | /dev/sda::::::::(unformatted)::262218240::244 MB:: |
| 20:39.56 | keyra | Thanatermesis ping, somebody needs you |
| 20:39.57 | Thanatermesis | this was your problem ^ |
| 20:40.04 | Thanatermesis | installing in a hard disk of 250 MB |
| 20:40.26 | Thanatermesis | extremely-small, the installation failed, no space left (it should have told you that the installer) |
| 20:41.03 | jfbourdeau | I think I choose 250 gig not MB but I just may be did a mistake speciyfing the size |
| 20:41.20 | Thanatermesis | looks like that :) |
| 20:41.22 | keyra | :) |
| 20:42.00 | Thanatermesis | brb |
| 20:49.11 | jfbourdeau | You are probably right |
| 20:49.23 | Thanatermesis | <jfbourdeau> You are probably right |
| 20:49.31 | Thanatermesis | me not, the reports says that! :) |
| 20:49.34 | keyra | :) |
| 20:49.37 | Thanatermesis | /dev/sda::::::::(unformatted)::262218240::244 MB:: <----- |
| 20:49.56 | jfbourdeau | LOL LOL LOL |
| 20:50.03 | jfbourdeau | you are right |
| 20:50.19 | jfbourdeau | Me I never had problem downloading the ISO BTW |
| 20:50.50 | Thanatermesis | yeah but i see sometimes emails from the checker tools about broken downloads |
| 20:50.59 | Thanatermesis | so mirrors are 95% reliable |
| 20:51.08 | Thanatermesis | there's a good % of broken downloads, bad experience users |
| 20:53.21 | grottem | brb |
| 20:59.19 | *** join/#elive grottem (~grottem@ptr-1lh403gswucpb0w760o.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be) |
| 21:01.32 | jfbourdeau | If you say that for 5 or 10$ per month you'll fix the download problem I am open to pay for a while |
| 21:04.21 | jfbourdeau | or is it 5 or 10$ per month for forum and 5 or 10$ per month for your ISO distribution server |
| 21:05.49 | jfbourdeau | ELive question : When the installer ask us if we want to install the FIRMWARE for Boradcom NetXStremell and the Firmeware for Qlogic QLA2xxx fibre channel did it detected I had that hardware ? I am under the impressison |
| 21:05.57 | jfbourdeau | is it asking that to everyone |
| 21:10.34 | grottem | jfbourdeau, it's asked to everyone |
| 21:13.03 | jfbourdeau | tks |
| 21:24.16 | Thanatermesis | 5 or 10 for the new forum, 5 (actually) for the Elive website, 10 more for the downloads |
| 21:24.24 | Thanatermesis | add add add and you have a bunch :) |
| 21:24.27 | keyra | :) |
| 21:24.41 | Thanatermesis | well, i dont count other things too |
| 21:25.14 | Thanatermesis | jfbourdeau, not detection for these ones (must be, no time to code that now lol) so it just asks if you want them |
| 21:26.44 | jfbourdeau | can't you put the forum in a Virtual Machine somewhere and on the same machine the ISO ? |
| 21:27.06 | jfbourdeau | I would be ok to help for one, for now.. But not 2 :-/ |
| 21:28.29 | Thanatermesis | i could probably use the same machine for isos and forum (except for that httpS redirection problem), but of course this will add "resources needed" and so the servers needs to be upgraded to manage these resources |
| 21:28.37 | Thanatermesis | <jfbourdeau> I would be ok to help for one, for now.. But not 2 :-/ |
| 21:28.52 | Thanatermesis | dont worry, the problem is always the same: lack of users, which leads to lack of donations, which leads to lack of resources |
| 21:28.55 | keyra | Thanatermesis ping, somebody needs you |
| 21:29.37 | Thanatermesis | and turning in circles: more users only IF more resources (better marketing, a good forum / community, faster releases, extra developers, social managers, etc bla bla ) |
| 21:29.41 | jfbourdeau | Are you looking to pay for a VM or real machine ? |
| 21:29.42 | keyra | actual developers are Thanatermesis and PrinceAMD, maybe I forgot others? well, im only a bot :þ |
| 21:30.30 | Thanatermesis | keyra, not anymore, update! |
| 21:31.01 | *** join/#elive keyra (~keyra@hostdo1.elivecd.org) |
| 21:31.02 | Thanatermesis | jfbourdeau, there's not much difference when we are talking about hosting services |
| 21:31.41 | Thanatermesis | well, let me see if i can make this httpS thing working... |
| 21:31.49 | Thanatermesis | will be restarting the forum |
| 21:32.00 | jfbourdeau | Just asking as VM are may be more scalable without reinstalling... If I am not wrong, along the road if you need more disk or CPU or Bandwith, I think we can just pay but without reinstalling anything |
| 21:32.02 | keyra | check this http://www.elivecd.org/?s=payment |
| 21:35.24 | Thanatermesis | believe, i use the best server option (quality/price/reliable), the problem is not the server but the resources (which are possible by donations) |
| 21:35.27 | keyra | Thanatermesis ping, somebody needs you |
| 21:35.39 | Thanatermesis | this month was only made 78 dollars from 14 donations, this is nothing |
| 21:35.48 | Thanatermesis | in the past I payed PrinceAMD as an extra developer |
| 21:36.01 | Thanatermesis | when donations were better |
| 21:36.09 | Thanatermesis | with the actual ones is not enough for nothing |
| 21:39.05 | jfbourdeau | https://www.ovh.com/ca/en/vps/ |
| 21:39.16 | jfbourdeau | one of my business partner is using that service and never had problems |
| 21:39.24 | jfbourdeau | 10$ / month unlimited bandwith, |
| 21:40.10 | jfbourdeau | very reliable provider |
| 21:41.22 | Thanatermesis | switched from 24h to 1h for free downloads |
| 21:41.28 | Thanatermesis | OVH is crap |
| 21:41.48 | jfbourdeau | Possible.... but my colleague never had any problem in the last 12 month |
| 21:42.19 | Thanatermesis | jfbourdeau, believe me, i tried many and all of them are bullshit (sorry for the word but is simply the truth), the only reliable one (and cheap! amazing!) was digitalocean |
| 21:42.45 | jfbourdeau | believe you |
| 21:43.05 | Thanatermesis | jfbourdeau, I head many, i complained a lot to them, i tried and wanted to make things running for more than 2 months working on the server, always failing, these are not computers but broken devices |
| 21:43.11 | Thanatermesis | had* |
| 21:44.11 | jfbourdeau | One of my friend who intiated me to linux and started my own company antispam service LastSpam been hired as the main Amazon AWS Technical Sales Ingineer in for CANADA... If is very very technical (like you or more...) so if you consider Amazxon in the future and have question, he'll be able to help us and answers our questions |
| 21:45.13 | Thanatermesis | i tried amazon too :) |
| 21:45.16 | keyra | :) |
| 21:45.20 | Thanatermesis | not even succeed setting this up |
| 21:45.28 | Thanatermesis | bloated of burocrazy |
| 21:45.41 | Thanatermesis | i mean, burocrazy in USING their services |
| 21:45.53 | Thanatermesis | user-experience -99999999999 |
| 21:53.06 | jfbourdeau | I want to setup my IRC app properly.... TAG me / write my name please again jfbourdeau |
| 21:53.15 | jfbourdeau | <jfbourdeau> test |
| 21:53.52 | jfbourdeau | want to see if the notification if you talk to me, " POP SOME WINDOW " on my screen |
| 21:58.19 | Thanatermesis | jfbourdeau, |
| 21:58.22 | Thanatermesis | you can say: keyra ping |
| 21:58.24 | keyra | lagged pong |
| 21:58.33 | Thanatermesis | oops, apt, apt ping |
| 21:58.45 | Thanatermesis | apt, say Thanatermesis ping |
| 21:58.45 | apt | Thanatermesis ping |
| 21:58.49 | Thanatermesis | good bot :P |
| 21:58.51 | keyra | good human :) |
| 21:58.53 | keyra | :þ |
| 21:58.59 | Thanatermesis | spanks keyra |
| 21:59.01 | keyra | pants OFF! |
| 21:59.48 | Thanatermesis | jfbourdeau, oh, making keyra be almost human also takes time lol |
| 22:01.00 | jfbourdeau | You are insane |
| 22:01.08 | jfbourdeau | apt, say I love you jfbourdeau |
| 22:01.08 | apt | I love you jfbourdeau |
| 22:02.50 | Thanatermesis | sanity is for normal people |
| 22:07.35 | jfbourdeau | spanks keyra |
| 22:07.37 | keyra | pants OFF! |
| 22:08.09 | Thanatermesis | /me spanks keyra |
| 22:08.31 | jfbourdeau | on Debian/Ubuntu which IRC client do you prefer ? I installed " Konversation" for now |
| 22:09.03 | jfbourdeau | I am curious, I am wrong or you go to bed at 2-3 am most of the time ?? |
| 22:09.29 | jfbourdeau | from the post I receive from you LOL it's 6:09 PM here |
| 22:12.00 | Thanatermesis | ha! the server httpS seems to work now! |
| 22:12.06 | Thanatermesis | redirecting correctly from http to https |
| 22:12.49 | jfbourdeau | Wasn't it before ? Anyway good |
| 22:13.05 | Thanatermesis | not good to use K* things in Elive (requires KDE, so it will bloat your computer resources) |
| 22:13.13 | Thanatermesis | just run htop in a console |
| 22:13.25 | Thanatermesis | see the difference of ram usage before and after to run K things (konversation) |
| 22:13.32 | Thanatermesis | xchat is the default one, extremely light and fast :) |
| 22:13.34 | keyra | :) |
| 22:13.45 | Thanatermesis | <jfbourdeau> I am curious, I am wrong or you go to bed at 2-3 am most of the time ?? |
| 22:13.49 | Thanatermesis | yep, dpeends of the work, sometimes 6 |
| 22:14.09 | Thanatermesis | <jfbourdeau> Wasn't it before ? Anyway good |
| 22:14.12 | Thanatermesis | the thing is... |
| 22:14.37 | Thanatermesis | discourse works (runs) from a container (docker) that is installed inside the system's of the server |
| 22:14.52 | Thanatermesis | that container uses ubuntu (crap! bloated and unstable), but its ok... |
| 22:15.04 | Thanatermesis | so the web server is INSIDE the system that is INSIDE that server |
| 22:15.27 | Thanatermesis | the good thing is to: use a proxy in the server that connects to the service on that container |
| 22:15.45 | Thanatermesis | then, it is possible to do more usages to that server (like using it to serve the isos too) |
| 22:16.00 | Thanatermesis | a webserver that is a bridge to the other webserver |
| 22:16.39 | jfbourdeau | ok get it |
| 22:16.44 | Thanatermesis | the only problem is that ubuntu is bloated and discourse is bloated (requires hte full thing an entire 1 GB of ram continuous usage), the server is already 1 GB so it is reaching the limit capacity (thats why it may be possible needed to switch to the next plan) |
| 22:16.46 | jfbourdeau | I undestand |
| 22:17.14 | Thanatermesis | which then can be also good to serve the Elive isos (more disk space too, which was not enough from the basic plan) |
| 22:17.15 | Thanatermesis | SO |
| 22:17.19 | Thanatermesis | for now: |
| 22:17.42 | Thanatermesis | let's try to use the forum as how it is right now (using that webserver proxy), if works good, perfect! it may be upgraded in the future and serve the isos too |
| 22:17.56 | Thanatermesis | if not, well, try to fix that... OR, just upgrade it to use it as a plain forum |
| 22:18.13 | jfbourdeau | ok |
| 22:18.13 | Thanatermesis | jfbourdeau, if you see any other URL problem like lacking a / part, tell me :) |
| 22:19.00 | Thanatermesis | seems like i also can use this discourse in the website of elive, for posts (releases for example), so people can make comments and talkings there |
| 22:19.06 | Thanatermesis | future features* |
| 22:19.17 | jfbourdeau | I think too |
| 22:19.28 | jfbourdeau | I just added for fun an section Annoucements |
| 22:19.41 | jfbourdeau | trying to bring it to the top ( learning discourse ) |
| 22:19.54 | Thanatermesis | sections can be organized like the old forum (some things), like "installed mode", "live mode", applications, etc etc |
| 22:19.59 | keyra | live mode means the not-installed Elive, so Elive booted from a USB or DVD |
| 22:19.59 | Thanatermesis | i think that is pretty intuitive for users |
| 22:20.05 | Thanatermesis | but we have also tags and categories so... |
| 22:20.08 | Thanatermesis | a good structure is important |
| 22:20.26 | Thanatermesis | categories can be "suggestions" and "bugs" for example |
| 22:20.48 | Thanatermesis | <jfbourdeau> trying to bring it to the top ( learning discourse ) |
| 22:21.09 | Thanatermesis | there's some guides, also in the default topics included, google has a lot of answers too |
| 22:21.16 | Thanatermesis | i didnt readed them yet |
| 22:21.17 | jfbourdeau | yep |
| 22:21.46 | jfbourdeau | https://meta.discourse.org/t/where-can-i-fix-my-category-ordering/16074 |
| 22:22.40 | Thanatermesis | nice :) |
| 22:22.42 | keyra | :) |
| 22:22.55 | Thanatermesis | when you think that the forum is pretty usable we will invite a few more admins/moderators |
| 22:23.03 | Thanatermesis | and then finally invite everybody |
| 22:23.22 | Thanatermesis | massive emails to all the users in old forum (i hope that the email will not become blacklisted as spammer lol) |
| 22:23.45 | Thanatermesis | there's also a ton of fake users in the old forum (by spamming bots) :/ |
| 22:23.46 | jfbourdeau | go https://forum.elivelinux.org/c/staff/elives-admins-discussions when you have time... No rush |
| 22:23.47 | keyra | :| |
| 22:24.37 | jfbourdeau | I just enabled TAG it was off by default |
| 22:24.59 | Thanatermesis | mmh, that link shows an error in an "incognito" browser... probably because is only for admins? (should say private instead of error maybe? well, doesnt matter) |
| 22:25.52 | Thanatermesis | did you set this to private or it was default? https://forum.elivelinux.org/c/announcements |
| 22:26.16 | jfbourdeau | Annoucnement I think I set it up READ for everyone |
| 22:26.19 | jfbourdeau | Admin : Write |
| 22:28.13 | Thanatermesis | jfbourdeau, http://main.elivecd.org/ss/e-5b47d5f9d87463.51627994.jpg |
| 22:28.45 | Thanatermesis | i was writting this "welcome text" in the setup, when i tried to save it it show me an error of "one line-long short sentece" WTF lol |
| 22:28.54 | Thanatermesis | so maybe we can use it somewhere... in the welcome email or something |
| 22:29.00 | Thanatermesis | but of course can be improved |
| 22:29.21 | Thanatermesis | <jfbourdeau> Annoucnement I think I set it up READ for everyone |
| 22:29.31 | jfbourdeau | I like it |
| 22:29.34 | Thanatermesis | nope, try to open it from an incognito and you cant |
| 22:29.59 | jfbourdeau | It is also easier to attach files / screen pictures etc.. no need to mention but this one was important for me LOL |
| 22:34.05 | Thanatermesis | we may need also a "welcome tutorial" or something like that about how to use the forum? (what is categories, how to add images, how things are organized, etc), or maybe not needed? (people dont read too) |
| 22:34.30 | Thanatermesis | yep, much more handier features, the forum seems to work pretty well |
| 22:34.42 | Thanatermesis | well featured |
| 22:34.50 | jfbourdeau | People knowloedgable enough to use Linx, Debian, Elive, will be able to understand how to use it LOL |
| 22:35.08 | jfbourdeau | And there are some FAQ of behavior built in by default already |
| 22:40.25 | jfbourdeau | I am changing this : |
| 22:40.26 | jfbourdeau | Categories will be displayed in order of activity. To control the order of categories in lists, enable the "fixed category positions" setting. |
| 22:40.33 | jfbourdeau | WIll put annoucement, for now at the top |
| 22:44.05 | Thanatermesis | well, my mother uses Elive |
| 22:44.11 | Thanatermesis | but i dont think she will be able to use the forum lol |
| 22:44.13 | Thanatermesis | or maybe :) |
| 22:44.15 | keyra | :) |
| 22:44.40 | jfbourdeau | LOL LOL |
| 22:44.48 | Thanatermesis | ok, 1 announcement is good to have (the improtant stuff & welcomes) |
| 22:45.17 | jfbourdeau | I need to dissapear... I'll come back in the forum later but you'll be im bed :-) If you write to me here https://forum.elivelinux.org/c/staff/elives-admins-discussions , I will reply later |
| 22:45.30 | Thanatermesis | ok :) |
| 22:45.33 | Thanatermesis | yeah let's use the tool! |
| 22:45.38 | Thanatermesis | keyra, join the forum! |
| 22:45.49 | Thanatermesis | "ask to keyra" plugin, we need |
| 22:45.52 | jfbourdeau | 300% sure you did a good movbe with Discourse |
| 22:46.03 | Thanatermesis | yeah it looks pretty good :) |
| 22:46.16 | Thanatermesis | hopefully doesnt bugs and doesnt give headaches lol |
| 22:47.40 | jfbourdeau | it should .... ciao good night !! BTW Elive is your baby, feel free to do whatever in Discourse LOL |
| 22:47.43 | keyra | are you searching for this? http://www.elivecd.org/?s=free |
| 22:47.46 | keyra | good night to you too! |
| 22:47.50 | Thanatermesis | i will try to make a "BETA link" in the old forum |
| 22:47.56 | Thanatermesis | so some people can join it |
| 22:47.58 | jfbourdeau | right now ?? |
| 22:48.02 | Thanatermesis | jfbourdeau, or we should wait? ^ |
| 22:48.02 | jfbourdeau | lol ? |
| 22:48.26 | jfbourdeau | we don't have any forum ( container yet ) for new people... ok let me see LOL |
| 22:48.49 | Thanatermesis | ok, we will better wait that is finished then |
| 22:49.13 | jfbourdeau | If you have time to put a Welcome in Annoucements you could invite some people LOL And in Site feedback we,Ll decide with them how to structure the forum ? |
| 22:49.18 | Thanatermesis | structured & plugins reviewed (warning! there's lots of bugs in the plugins world, we should not use them unless is a very good /needed one) |
| 22:49.26 | keyra | thanks for reporting the issue, by knowing it we can solve the problem for you and for everybody else affected, please use the BTS for that: http://bugs.elivecd.org |
| 22:49.39 | Thanatermesis | jfbourdeau, do you have see any conf for "welcome text" where i can paste that text? |
| 22:50.01 | Thanatermesis | yep im answering threads |
| 22:50.05 | jfbourdeau | What do you think of " https://forum.elivelinux.org/c/announcements " |
| 22:50.09 | jfbourdeau | this section ? |
| 22:51.01 | jfbourdeau | https://forum.syncthing.net/ |
| 22:51.15 | jfbourdeau | there is a way to post the welcome at the top and/or within the annoucement forum |
| 22:51.25 | jfbourdeau | but the welcome could be at he top like them : https://forum.syncthing.net/ |
| 22:51.53 | jfbourdeau | may be a smal text ( not more than 4-5 lines at the top |
| 22:52.06 | jfbourdeau | and if you have something longer, you 'll put it in Annoucements ? |
| 22:52.21 | Thanatermesis | im not sure to understand what is that announcements thing |
| 22:52.31 | jfbourdeau | https://forum.elivelinux.org/ |
| 22:52.37 | jfbourdeau | in green |
| 22:52.44 | jfbourdeau | 1st section (Category) |
| 22:53.25 | jfbourdeau | but if you take a look a this discourse, you'll see we can also put something outside the Categories at the top of the discourse window https://forum.syncthing.net/ |
| 22:53.57 | Thanatermesis | oh, i see, but what is the purpose of the Announcements exactly? |
| 22:54.05 | Thanatermesis | i mean, what we should do with |
| 22:54.10 | Thanatermesis | what we are announcing? |
| 22:54.12 | Thanatermesis | the new forum? |
| 22:54.32 | jfbourdeau | I created it, in case we want to use it for any annoucement : 3.0, new forum, 64 bits etc ? |
| 22:54.35 | jfbourdeau | make sens ? |
| 22:54.39 | keyra | elive is 32 bit, 64bits will be included after the release of 3.0, or you can run 64 bit executables too like this: http://forum.elivecd.org/read.php?58,8936,8957#msg-8957 |
| 22:55.08 | jfbourdeau | what will happen is that as we get more familliar with Discourse we'll realize that we're doing thing things the wrong way but " we'll learn" |
| 22:55.11 | Thanatermesis | yeah sounds good |
| 22:55.29 | jfbourdeau | I am just curious to know how they put that text at the top : https://forum.syncthing.net/ |
| 22:55.37 | jfbourdeau | Welcome to the Syncthing discussion forum! Please make sure you are running the latest release. See the documentation site for general documentation. You can also download the latest development snapshot. There is an IRC channel #syncthing on Freenode for realtime chats. |
| 22:55.38 | jfbourdeau | The latest Syncthing release is v0.14.48. The current release candidate is v0.14.49-rc.4. The next release, v0.14.49, is expected 2018-07-03. |
| 22:55.39 | jfbourdeau | Please look through the FAQ before posting a support question. |
| 22:56.13 | jfbourdeau | in the categroy menu allow you to easily see all the post in that Category : Example : https://forum.syncthing.net/c/announce |
| 22:57.05 | jfbourdeau | if you want me to create right now 1 or 2 or 3 important section Category ,I can do it |
| 22:57.17 | jfbourdeau | Installed Mode |
| 22:57.20 | jfbourdeau | Live Mode |
| 22:57.25 | keyra | live mode means the not-installed Elive, so Elive booted from a USB or DVD |
| 22:58.01 | Thanatermesis | hum... |
| 22:58.08 | Thanatermesis | i tried to add a topic in Announcments: https://forum.elivelinux.org/t/new-forum-for-elive/40 |
| 22:58.16 | Thanatermesis | but seems like it is not in announcements lol |
| 22:58.24 | Thanatermesis | i dont see any option to "move thread" |
| 22:58.28 | Thanatermesis | confused |
| 22:58.39 | jfbourdeau | it's here https://forum.elivelinux.org/c/announcements |
| 22:58.44 | jfbourdeau | I'll try to move it |
| 22:59.15 | Thanatermesis | that option is a must, for admins/moderators |
| 22:59.29 | Thanatermesis | <jfbourdeau> I am just curious to know how they put that text at the top : https://forum.syncthing.net/ |
| 22:59.37 | Thanatermesis | i think that we need to read carefully all the ton of options lol |
| 22:59.40 | Thanatermesis | it must be somwhere |
| 23:00.47 | jfbourdeau | I did it |
| 23:00.49 | jfbourdeau | ;-) |
| 23:03.25 | jfbourdeau | I just edited your message and changed the category (Forum / section / container ) |
| 23:03.31 | Thanatermesis | how? (to move topics) |
| 23:03.56 | Thanatermesis | ooh |
| 23:03.57 | jfbourdeau | I just edited your Topic/message/Thread and changed the category (Forum / section / container ) |
| 23:03.58 | Thanatermesis | i see |
| 23:04.33 | jfbourdeau | but I just logged as a normal user and there is stuff that show up I don't want them to see, Trying to fix it |
| 23:04.38 | Thanatermesis | heh, seems like my chrome is outdated, there's a "preview" in the right and i dont see anything |
| 23:04.49 | jfbourdeau | LOL LOL LOL |
| 23:05.09 | jfbourdeau | YEs your Chrome is outdated and you'll have probklem with some web sites features LOL |
| 23:05.14 | jfbourdeau | JaJAJA |
| 23:05.26 | Thanatermesis | yeah i know |
| 23:05.29 | Thanatermesis | not possible to update yet |
| 23:05.45 | Thanatermesis | mmmh... when i enter in a pinned topic seems like its unpinned! |
| 23:05.48 | Thanatermesis | is this expected? |
| 23:05.57 | Thanatermesis | or it only happens for me because i readed it? |
| 23:08.27 | jfbourdeau | OK if you log in a incognito window or as a normal user it is now CLEAN they only see what they are supposed to. |
| 23:08.42 | jfbourdeau | As for your pinned message let me see |
| 23:08.59 | Thanatermesis | yep |
| 23:10.14 | jfbourdeau | They have PInned TOPIC and banner topic. |
| 23:11.36 | Thanatermesis | jfbourdeau, do you see any difference? :) http://forum.elivecd.org/ |
| 23:13.04 | jfbourdeau | :-) |
| 23:13.08 | jfbourdeau | NEW BETA FORUM |
| 23:13.49 | Thanatermesis | that can welcome users that enters in the old forum, which is somewhat broken lol, to say "hey! we have a better thing here! but is BETA, so feel free to experiment" |
| 23:14.02 | jfbourdeau | DO you want me to create the 2 main section you needed Live Mode and Installed Mode and we invite people ? LOL |
| 23:14.07 | keyra | live mode means the not-installed Elive, so Elive booted from a USB or DVD |
| 23:14.25 | jfbourdeau | but your NEW BETA FORUM is not clickable yet you are probably working on that |
| 23:14.34 | Thanatermesis | yep, i think that they are needed... let me make a small research of the needed ones... |
| 23:14.46 | Thanatermesis | yeah, just enabled the link now :) |
| 23:14.49 | keyra | :) |
| 23:15.04 | Thanatermesis | let's see if there's new users that registers :) (will be very few! one per day maybe lol) |
| 23:15.18 | jfbourdeau | I sitll have 15 minutes LOL more than that I will be in trouble lOL Creating them If you have a description git it to me ( may be it is on the old forum) |
| 23:16.20 | Thanatermesis | ok :) |
| 23:16.42 | Thanatermesis | damn, those big fonts... |
| 23:17.01 | Thanatermesis | i have tons of pixels wasted in my screen with them lol |
| 23:20.19 | jfbourdeau | https://forum.elivelinux.org/ |
| 23:20.26 | jfbourdeau | for now it'll be ok ? |
| 23:20.35 | jfbourdeau | or there is something important missing ? |
| 23:20.49 | jfbourdeau | Hardware, WiFi, and Drivers ? |
| 23:21.10 | jfbourdeau | not sure... |
| 23:23.02 | Thanatermesis | jfbourdeau, https://forum.elivelinux.org/t/forum-structured-topics/44 |
| 23:23.12 | Thanatermesis | i just did a list :) |
| 23:23.14 | keyra | :) |
| 23:23.22 | Thanatermesis | not needed all, they are ideas |
| 23:24.12 | jfbourdeau | ok great WIll eply later |
| 23:24.38 | jfbourdeau | I saw that you posted / made your NEW BETA FORUM link functionnal... it is ok... It's not if you had 300,000 very active FORUMS users |
| 23:24.56 | jfbourdeau | we'll tweak and optimize along the road... Tks! it was fun !!! |
| 23:26.43 | Thanatermesis | yep :) |
| 23:26.55 | Thanatermesis | will continue configuring it all the night... or almost |
| 23:27.29 | Thanatermesis | keyra, you need a plugin to be able to code and work on things ! |
| 23:27.36 | keyra | I can do the best perfect code that you haven't see in the entire world... but i feel tired right now :) |
| 23:27.39 | Thanatermesis | keyra 2.0 :) |
| 23:27.46 | jfbourdeau | have fun... I will come back in 3 hours approx |
| 23:27.55 | jfbourdeau | LOL " keyra 2.0 :) " |
| 23:27.59 | Thanatermesis | you too jfbourdeau! :) |
| 23:28.07 | Thanatermesis | well, in fact keyra is already 2.0 |
| 23:28.20 | Thanatermesis | in the past she was Jaime (the name of a man, but with a girl's name) |
| 23:28.42 | Thanatermesis | she switched from perl to ruby |
| 23:28.45 | jfbourdeau | :-) |
| 23:28.46 | keyra | my body is full of ruby! wanna play with me? :) https://github.com/Elive/keyra-bot/issues |
| 23:35.41 | *** join/#elive jfbourdeau (~jeff@192.83.140.153) |
| 23:35.50 | jfbourdeau | I am back |
| 23:36.59 | Thanatermesis | so fast! |
| 23:37.26 | Thanatermesis | im making the screenshots section now jfbourdeau |
| 23:37.31 | Thanatermesis | (to not duplicate it heh) |
| 23:37.33 | keyra | use the "impr sys" key of your keyboard to take a screenshot, you can also share it with the obtained web link! |
| 23:38.02 | Thanatermesis | this is a LONG thread jfbourdeau ! http://forum.elivecd.org/list.php?32 |
| 23:38.20 | Thanatermesis | when Elive had a community lol |
| 23:38.59 | jfbourdeau | You dont intend to copye past or export import it ? |
| 23:39.20 | jfbourdeau | just create it and people will populate it / create new posts ? |
| 23:39.31 | Thanatermesis | nah |
| 23:39.34 | Thanatermesis | i think that better new |
| 23:39.35 | jfbourdeau | LOL |
| 23:39.50 | jfbourdeau | me too Would be insane / long to recreate it LOL |
| 23:40.15 | Thanatermesis | yeah |
| 23:40.29 | jfbourdeau | ok when a new user try to try Elive and he's not good with Linux, Debian, etc DO you want him to post inj Live and installed or we create a question for noobies ? |
| 23:40.47 | Thanatermesis | im a bit worried about the "uploads allowed" (we should disable them), so that the server can be overloaded (size growing, so will need to buy extra space in the future, hum) |
| 23:40.49 | keyra | check this http://www.elivecd.org/?s=payment |
| 23:41.48 | Thanatermesis | jfbourdeau, noobies could have been good to have, but i dont think that in a real world anybody can be considered himself a noobie and some middle users can also think that their hard question is noobie |
| 23:41.50 | jfbourdeau | Can we leave on and monitor lol ? What was a pain in the ass for me with your forum 1.0 is that I wanted to attach picture of problem or question I had and could not |
| 23:41.53 | Thanatermesis | i dont thin kthat we can sort that easly |
| 23:42.28 | jfbourdeau | ok for noobie we'll stick / stay with INstalled and Live mode |
| 23:42.33 | keyra | live mode means the not-installed Elive, so Elive booted from a USB or DVD |
| 23:42.36 | Thanatermesis | yeah we can monitor but if things grows, not sure how to deal with that (removing them will make posts looks wrong, hum) |
| 23:42.45 | Thanatermesis | yeah |
| 23:43.04 | jfbourdeau | I hated so much that I could not attached picture that I will contribute $$ if we need to upgrade LOL |
| 23:43.09 | Thanatermesis | https://forum.elivelinux.org/c/screenshots-users |
| 23:43.10 | Thanatermesis | lol |
| 23:43.16 | keyra | use the "impr sys" key of your keyboard to take a screenshot, you can also share it with the obtained web link! |
| 23:43.25 | jfbourdeau | though I will take a look at settings to protect ourselves... about file attachments |
| 23:44.03 | jfbourdeau | what is that https://forum.elivelinux.org/c/screenshots-users |
| 23:44.32 | jfbourdeau | mean, what do you want me to understand from that picture |
| 23:46.02 | jfbourdeau | https://forum.elivelinux.org/admin/site_settings/category/files |
| 23:46.30 | jfbourdeau | 3 MB limit for now ( Default) |
| 23:47.02 | Thanatermesis | i was playing with settings :) background image, looks funny |
| 23:47.06 | keyra | see! a zoidberg in a single line! (\/) (°,,,°) (\/) |
| 23:47.10 | jfbourdeau | ok :-) |
| 23:48.05 | jfbourdeau | BTW yoda is not me... Yoda the admin and JF Bourdeau posting in the forum are 2 different persons |
| 23:48.18 | jfbourdeau | I will create activity from time to time, post and answer to myself |
| 23:48.33 | jfbourdeau | BASIC Noobie question I can answer LOL LOL but |
| 23:48.41 | Thanatermesis | download remote images to local |
| 23:48.41 | Thanatermesis |  Convert remote images to local images by downloading them; this prevents broken images. |
| 23:48.43 | Thanatermesis | hum... |
| 23:48.45 | jfbourdeau | but usefull for people that are not professional |
| 23:49.25 | Thanatermesis | not sure if "convert and save locally" is a good idea |
| 23:49.57 | jfbourdeau | leave the default for this settings for now ? :-) |
| 23:50.17 | Thanatermesis | lol |
| 23:50.40 | Thanatermesis | i mean, if the remote image is lost it is a very rare case that can have over (long) time |
| 23:51.02 | Thanatermesis | ok i will leave it.. |
| 23:52.47 | jfbourdeau | insane everytihng it does.. We can monitor " Watch " tags so a user that want to be notified of post ( TOPIC ) with word ACER HP SSD MINT can create a TAG War |
| 23:52.52 | jfbourdeau | tag watch list |
| 23:53.25 | Thanatermesis | htats nice :) |
| 23:53.27 | keyra | :) |
| 23:56.07 | Thanatermesis | jfbourdeau, finish your editings, im going to do a full server backup (10 min) |
| 23:56.22 | Thanatermesis | i mean, tell me when* |
| 23:56.32 | jfbourdeau | ok go |
| 23:56.57 | jfbourdeau | was posting something as a normal user and trying to create a TAG |
| 23:59.03 | Thanatermesis | well, now we need to wait 10 min :) |
| 23:59.05 | keyra | :) |
| 23:59.28 | jfbourdeau | I think by default new user can't create TAGS They can only use tags greated by level 3 users |
| 23:59.42 | Thanatermesis | since the server has low resources in RAM i think that is delicated to reboot the server (it can break the database with everything) lol, we need to take care with that |
| 23:59.47 | jfbourdeau | People level increase, from what I thiink, by being active... posting, liking, relying, posting link etc |
| 23:59.57 | Thanatermesis | yeah, thats good! |
