IRC log for #elive on 20180726

00:10.51Thanatermesislast-now fix? or b43 full implementation for 2.9.99?
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00:19.10*** topic/#elive is Web: http://www.elivecd.org | BTS: http://bugs.elivecd.org - please report problems so we can solve them | Forum: http://forum.elivecd.org | Elive 3.0 is on the way and going to be entirely cost-free!
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00:33.40keyrato upgrade your elive system manually you can run the command "apug" or "elive-upgrader --upgrade", but the system will already run elive-upgrader from time to time so do not care
00:33.43keyrayepee! fresh packages uploaded! yummy yummy :D
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00:39.50keyrato upgrade your elive system manually you can run the command "apug" or "elive-upgrader --upgrade", but the system will already run elive-upgrader from time to time so do not care
00:39.53keyrayepee! fresh packages uploaded! yummy yummy :D
01:16.03Thanatermesis<Thanatermesis> [(piped)] http://paste.debian.net/1035184/
01:16.06Thanatermesisthat was the last change
01:16.12Thanatermesisbetatesting installer
01:19.46elmo40i'm patient
01:19.48elmo40;-)
01:20.53elmo40interesting
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01:26.16keyrato upgrade your elive system manually you can run the command "apug" or "elive-upgrader --upgrade", but the system will already run elive-upgrader from time to time so do not care
01:26.19keyrayepee! fresh packages uploaded! yummy yummy :D
01:28.10Thanatermesistesting auto upgrade features
01:28.23Thanatermesisfirst upgrade:  http://main.elivecd.org/ss/display.php?image=e-5b592278d96840.61612089.jpg
01:29.11elmo40ok...
01:29.16elmo40open a few more programs
01:29.24elmo40i want to see the taskbar
01:29.33elmo40still has chrome&ff?
01:31.04Thanatermesisyes both
01:31.09Thanatermesisbut the bar only will show firefox now
01:31.28Thanatermesissince is more updated / compatible (most important), so let's users use this as default (only because it shows in the bar)
01:32.15Thanatermesissecond (just pushed) migrator:  http://main.elivecd.org/ss/display.php?image=e-5b59248f23bc91.88832441.jpg
01:33.06Thanatermesisamazing! everythign worked in a first shot! (new features/modifications in the upgrader has been made :))
01:35.12elmo40well, keep testing
01:35.18elmo40i'll dl the .99 asap
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01:38.40keyrato upgrade your elive system manually you can run the command "apug" or "elive-upgrader --upgrade", but the system will already run elive-upgrader from time to time so do not care
01:38.43keyrayepee! fresh packages uploaded! yummy yummy :D
01:38.57Thanatermesisdont like the Word Processor icon new in the bar, hum....
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02:28.30keyrato upgrade your elive system manually you can run the command "apug" or "elive-upgrader --upgrade", but the system will already run elive-upgrader from time to time so do not care
02:28.33keyrayepee! fresh packages uploaded! yummy yummy :D
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03:03.26keyrato upgrade your elive system manually you can run the command "apug" or "elive-upgrader --upgrade", but the system will already run elive-upgrader from time to time so do not care
03:03.29keyrayepee! fresh packages uploaded! yummy yummy :D
03:05.16Thanatermesiselmo40, im going to leave the computer building 2.9.99, so you will have tomorrow at first time :)
03:05.18keyra:)
03:05.57Thanatermesisbut i will put it in a non-public directory until i confirm that the remaining tests works (they should, so its just a last-test of things that i did modifications)
03:09.56Thanatermesiselmo40, they will appear in here in, let's say, 4 hours:  http://isos.elivecd.org/development/betatest/
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03:11.36keyrato upgrade your elive system manually you can run the command "apug" or "elive-upgrader --upgrade", but the system will already run elive-upgrader from time to time so do not care
03:11.39keyrayepee! fresh packages uploaded! yummy yummy :D
03:12.05Thanatermesis!memo Yeaj check if the version 2.9.99 is here (building process started):  http://isos.elivecd.org/development/betatest/
03:12.05keyraOk, I'll notify Yeaj when I see him/her around!
04:23.37elmo40i'll keep checking
04:45.23elmo40when you boot from usb, it saves stuff to the usb like settings and apps and things?
04:45.35keyrause "usb-bootable-elive" tool to automatically download and record your USB with Elive. If you are in other Linux* use "dd" from a terminal or the Usb-ImageWriter tool, if you are in Windows use UsbWriter, please do not use other tools than the suggested ones
04:53.08elmo40and when you take to a second different computer, it has to go over the setup like new for CPU, vid card and other things? But still keeps the apps and personal stuff?
05:06.13Thanatermesisauto message: new isos published!
05:06.13ThanatermesisHi, Im ThanaBot, and Im here for anything that you want (well, almost)
05:06.13Thanatermesis************************************
05:06.13ThanatermesisELIVE VERSION BUILDED:  2.9.99 - usb format
05:06.13ThanatermesisStability Status:       stable
05:06.14ThanatermesisZsync reuse:            94.5%
05:06.16Thanatermesis************************************
05:06.17keyraIm falling in love with your double personality :)
05:06.18keyrayepeee! new baked versions! let's ping a few ppl =)  PrinceAMD Naglfar elmo40 she_dyed grottem
05:06.20ThanatermesisHave a nice day, where's my cookies?
05:06.25keyrazsync is awesome! you can download Elive isos only using the 10% of your network bandwith by recyclating data, to enjoy better this feature just use the usb-bootable-elive tool, or use it as a command like this: zsync -i elive_2.9.30_beta_hybrid.iso http://isos.elivecd.org/development/elive_2.9.32_beta_hybrid.iso.zsync
05:06.51elmo40apt, give Thanatermesis an Oreo Cookie
05:06.51aptACTION gives an Oreo Cookie to Thanatermesis
05:09.23elmo40dl'ing now
05:09.30elmo407Mb/s
05:09.44elmo40no, 7.3MB/s
05:11.23elmo403minutes left
05:11.29elmo40decent speeds, Thanatermesis
06:09.59Thanatermesisauto message: new isos published!
06:09.59ThanatermesisHi, Im ThanaBot, and Im here for anything that you want (well, almost)
06:09.59Thanatermesis************************************
06:09.59ThanatermesisELIVE VERSION BUILDED:  2.9.99 - hybrid format
06:09.59ThanatermesisStability Status:       stable
06:10.00ThanatermesisZsync reuse:            94.3%
06:10.02Thanatermesis************************************
06:10.04keyraIm falling in love with your double personality :)
06:10.04ThanatermesisHave a nice day, where's my cookies?
06:10.04keyrayepeee! new baked versions! let's ping a few ppl =)  PrinceAMD Naglfar elmo40 she_dyed grottem
06:10.11keyrazsync is awesome! you can download Elive isos only using the 10% of your network bandwith by recyclating data, to enjoy better this feature just use the usb-bootable-elive tool, or use it as a command like this: zsync -i elive_2.9.30_beta_hybrid.iso http://isos.elivecd.org/development/elive_2.9.32_beta_hybrid.iso.zsync
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06:55.19keyragrottem, memo for you: <Thanatermesis/#elive/2018-07-23 16:17>  mmmh, i think that I have just catched the bug in ecomorph for the "no bar, no pager, no nothing"
06:55.19keyragrottem, memo for you: <Thanatermesis/#elive/2018-07-23 16:24>  apug should fix it, ping me if you have this behaviour again :), it would have been a mess to release 3.0 with that bug lol
06:55.19keyragrottem, memo for you: <Thanatermesis/#elive/2018-07-24 03:32>  big fixes in ecomorph & engage
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08:46.46keyrawelcome to the Elive world, Elive_inst_fr_29! =) I hope you are enjoying the system!
08:46.52keyraYou can find the amazing Elive community on this new BETA Forum website! https://forum.elivelinux.org , BTW press control-s to set your nickname here :)
08:50.13Elive_inst_fr_29Hi everyone ! Hope you're doing nice !!!
08:53.36Elive_inst_fr_29copy paste a folder in "liste de lecture" does not copy paste . refreshing music library works ok, and the only way to get tracks in a "liste de lecture" is to grab traks one by one
08:53.52keyrato easly copy and paste text you can select it with the mouse and paste it with the middle-button of your mouse, see the help in your terminal for more info, try also ctrl + shift + c/v to copy-paste, you don't have middle click try to press both buttons at the same time, or shift + insert!
08:54.01keyramicrosoft says that a folder is something between the desktop and the trash, just in face of the books and pencils, near of the chair... why ppl dont say just directory ?
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10:41.05Thanatermesiso/ elmo40 grottem
10:41.07keyrahi!
10:41.12Thanatermesiso Elive_inst_fr_29
10:41.18Thanatermesis2.9.99 uploaded! :)
10:41.20keyra:)
11:23.55elmo40time to reboot.
11:23.59elmo402.9.99 here I come!
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11:35.17keyrato upgrade your elive system manually you can run the command "apug" or "elive-upgrader --upgrade", but the system will already run elive-upgrader from time to time so do not care
11:35.20keyrayepee! fresh packages uploaded! yummy yummy :D
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11:51.02keyrawelcome to Elive, Elive_user_en_91! =)
11:51.08keyrahow is your experience with Elive so far? any suggestion or issue to report us? your feedbacks are important for improve Elive for everybody! try also the new amazing forums! https://forum.elivelinux.org
11:51.22elmoTESTThanatermesis, it crashed when changing E themes
11:55.49elmoTESTThanatermesis, i try to run .edj file from enlightenment website.
11:56.08elmoTESTit try to autorun from firefox. good to do. but it broke.
11:56.17elmoTESTsays it does nt know what to do with .edj files...
11:56.49elmoTESThttp://main.elivecd.org/ss/e-5b59b6f8ae06f7.95916121.jpg
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12:12.21Elmo40Thanatermesis, it broke again.
12:18.56Elmo40theme switcher is broken, i think
12:19.28Elmo40and with multiple monitors, looks like you need both to be same resolution or the lowest resolution is forced on the higher resolution screen!
12:19.45Elmo40and why is alt+F2 the run command?
12:20.14Elmo40i thought alt+F# was screen changing. was it before?
12:20.43Elmo40well, switching with win+f# makes sense. but having multiple monitors, it breaks.
12:21.17Elmo40i reduced the virtual windows to 4. tried win+f1-4. from f3-4 it worked, from f1-2 is sometimes worked.
12:21.46Elmo40then locked up. only mouse moves but no clicking accepted and cant type anywhere. CPU goes to the MOON.
12:21.55keyramouse? what a stupid name... these devices should have been called something like.. posixy, as a positionator of coordinates X and Y, boicot human stupidity! bots will rule the world!
13:20.27grottemThanatermesis, ping
13:28.49Elmo40sleeping ;-)
13:34.56Elmo40being Debian, i didnt see if it was iceweasel or firefox.
13:37.59Thanatermesis<elmoTEST> Thanatermesis, it crashed when changing E themes
13:38.01Thanatermesisyes it does
13:38.05Thanatermesisthats an E bug
13:38.32Thanatermesis<elmoTEST> says it does nt know what to do with .edj files...
13:38.40Thanatermesismmh so bad, it should manage the mimes confs
13:38.41Thanatermesisnotes
13:39.47Thanatermesisoh wait! i think that it correctly manages it, that is good!
13:39.58Thanatermesisits just that THIS edje file is unknown what to do with...
13:40.03ThanatermesisElmo40, which is hte link of that edj file?
13:41.07Thanatermesisok found, e-virus
13:41.12keyradue to the nature of work of a linux* system, a virus is impossible to exist
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13:50.22keyrato upgrade your elive system manually you can run the command "apug" or "elive-upgrader --upgrade", but the system will already run elive-upgrader from time to time so do not care
13:50.25keyrayepee! fresh packages uploaded! yummy yummy :D
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13:54.12Thanatermesis2<22Elmo402> and with multiple monitors, looks like you need both to be same resolution or the lowest resolution is forced on the higher resolution screen!
13:54.35Thanatermesismmmmh, you should have an Elive configurator that opens at the start of the desktop if multiple screens are found, on it you -should- be able to configure them correctly, it is not the case?
13:55.36Thanatermesis2<22Elmo402> and why is alt+F2 the run command?
13:55.44Thanatermesiscompatibility with (same) as other systems,
13:56.01Thanatermesisusers are used to that command so it doesn't hurts (it does? i mean, it replaces other thing?)
13:56.15Thanatermesis<Elmo40> i thought alt+F# was screen changing. was it before?
13:56.38Thanatermesisah yeah! hotkeys changed a bit for compatibility and improvements, see the new list in the hotkeys list pdf
13:58.10Thanatermesismmmh, which is your multiple-screens configuration? how i can reproduce the "cpu lock" problem?
14:06.01ThanatermesisElmo40, fixed Edje stuff with the correct info:  http://main.elivecd.org/ss/e-5b59d538b89994.53172345.jpg
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14:22.37Elmo40i can configure which screen is left/right
14:22.46Elmo40but the resolution, i did not see where to change that.
14:23.41Elmo40ENGLISH!!
14:23.51Elmo40ugh, Thanatermesis... i need to fix everything.
14:23.52Elmo40;-)
14:24.10Elmo40is eltrans still the method to use?
14:24.15Thanatermesisyes
14:24.18Elmo40ok
14:24.18Thanatermesis<Elmo40> but the resolution, i did not see where to change that.
14:24.28Thanatermesismmmh, you have it... can you show me a screenshot of the tool?
14:24.34keyraopen the menu of applications and select Take Screenshot, then click in Share to upload your screenshot
14:24.41Thanatermesisthe screens configurator, so the option of resolutions is available
14:24.41keyrause the "impr sys" key of your keyboard to take a screenshot, you can also share it with the obtained web link!
14:24.52Elmo40do you have access to the account info for eltrans? i might have forgotten my password for it
14:25.24Elmo40it froze twice. i had invoicing to make... i had to return to windows. I will play later.
14:25.46Thanatermesismmh, nope, the pass is encrypted in apache stuff
14:26.09Thanatermesisi would need to know how to reproduce the freezing :)
14:26.12keyra:)
14:27.42ThanatermesisElmo40, you should have an email with the pass too
14:29.05ThanatermesisElmo40, ^
14:33.23Elmo40i will try
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14:43.57keyrawelcome to Elive, Elive_user_en_97! =)
14:44.03keyrahow is your experience with Elive so far? any suggestion or issue to report us? your feedbacks are important for improve Elive for everybody! try also the new amazing forums! https://forum.elivelinux.org
14:44.33elmoTESThi
14:44.35keyrahi there
14:45.02elmoTESTThanatermesis, the persistence is encrypting right now.
14:45.11elmoTESTfor some reason i can not do anything else
14:45.37elmoTESTweird... everything was on 'hold' until the hot-keys list came up!
14:45.49elmoTESTthen everything is now available again.
14:46.00elmoTESTdesktop changed at same time, too. maybe it was that?
14:48.40elmoTESTsays i have to reboot first
14:48.48elmoTESTto use persistence encrypted
14:48.52elmoTEST(brb)
14:49.18elmoTESThttp://main.elivecd.org/ss/e-5b59df6aac9ed9.54011255.jpg
14:49.38elmoTESTa program is only listed on one pager panel in dual-screen mode?
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14:57.13keyrawelcome EliveWeb_75152! Ask your question! Have you see the new amazing forums too? http://forum.elivelinux.org , the are gorgeous! =)
15:20.09Thanatermesis<elmoTEST> weird... everything was on 'hold' until the hot-keys list came up!
15:20.14Thanatermesis<elmoTEST> desktop changed at same time, too. maybe it was that?
15:20.22Thanatermesishold? mmmh, not sure to understand
15:20.32Thanatermesisyes, reboot so that persistence will start recording new changes
15:21.19Thanatermesis2<22elmoTEST2> a program is only listed on one pager panel in dual-screen mode?
15:21.28Thanatermesisyes, it is the "assigned screen" on which the apps is
15:22.20Thanatermesismmmh, about resolutions, you mean that you dont have the bar and the gadgets in the other screens THAN in the primary one? that is normal and expected
15:47.54Thanatermesis!memo Elmo40 can you do a test? see if plugin/unplugin the AC (in laptop) changes the cpufreq gadget to full when connected and Min when on battery (i think that th eproblems is in my laptop, broken battery) - BTW i have other messages for you writed before
15:47.54keyraOk, I'll notify Elmo40 when I see him/her around!
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15:56.36keyrato upgrade your elive system manually you can run the command "apug" or "elive-upgrader --upgrade", but the system will already run elive-upgrader from time to time so do not care
15:56.40keyrayepee! fresh packages uploaded! yummy yummy :D
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16:42.23grottemping Thanatermesis
16:43.11grottemping Thanatermesis
16:44.57grottemthana where are you??
16:45.02grottemsend me the download link
16:45.16grottemok got it
16:45.43grottemi'm on a windows computer atm
16:45.53grottembest way to create img on thumbdrive
16:45.59grottemhola
16:46.01keyraque tal ?
16:46.02grottemkeyra
16:46.23grottemaah k keyra is awake
17:00.07grottemThanatermesis:  still 2 hours to download :(
17:00.09keyra:/
17:33.27grottemapt seen Thanatermesis
17:33.28aptthanatermesis is currently on #elive (6h 52m 44s). Has said a total of 37 messages. Is idling for 1h 45m 34s, last said: '!memo Elmo40 can you do a test? see if plugin/unplugin the AC (in laptop) changes the cpufreq gadget to full when connected and Min when on battery (i think that th eproblems is in my laptop, broken battery) - BTW i have other messages for you writed before'.
17:48.39Thanatermesiso/ grottem
17:48.41keyrahi!
17:50.25ThanaSickgrottem, is a laptop or a tower?
17:58.11grottemlaptop
17:58.29grottemare you sick thana?
17:58.36grottemdownload complete
18:05.36ThanaSickyes :/
18:05.38keyra:|
18:05.39ThanaSickannoying cold
18:09.44grottemin this heat?
18:09.58grottemunetboot unresponding :(
18:10.00keyra:/
18:10.06grottemfor the 3 th time
18:12.42ThanaSickgrottem, why are you using unetbootin?
18:12.56grottemyou recomended it on the site :p
18:12.56keyrado not use unetbootin, use dd which will dump the correct structure of partitions and filesystems and everything needed, those tools just copy the files and decide by themselves how to make it booting, making it not so reliable as the many hours that we spend on making it to rock! :)
18:12.58keyra:þ
18:13.17ThanaSick<grottem> you recomended it on the site :p
18:13.23ThanaSickconfused
18:13.24ThanaSickwhere?
18:14.12grottemok usb writer i got it now
18:16.16grottemthana under downloads there was a link to unetboot
18:16.42grottemi need to get to FAQ to get the USBWriter tool (that a much better tool btw)
18:17.26ThanaSickhum
18:17.59ThanaSickso bad, people are using a tool that doesn't make their Elive's to boot :/
18:18.00ThanaSickso sad
18:18.01keyra:|
18:18.14grottemi would remove the link
18:19.10grottemhttp://www.elivecd.org/download/stable/
18:19.12grottemlook
18:19.27grottemhere is the unet boot link
18:19.39grottemhttp://www.elivecd.org/ufaqs/tools-to-record-elive-linux-in-an-usb-drive/
18:19.47grottemand you have to here to find the right link
18:19.51keyrause "usb-bootable-elive" tool to automatically download and record your USB with Elive. If you are in other Linux* use "dd" from a terminal or the Usb-ImageWriter tool, if you are in Windows use UsbWriter, please do not use other tools than the suggested ones
18:19.54keyracheck out http://www.elivecd.org/faq and http://forum.elivecd.org too
18:20.36ThanaSick<grottem> http://www.elivecd.org/download/stable/
18:20.50ThanaSickbecause unetbootin IS the correct tool for the old stable
18:20.57ThanaSickbut it doesnt works with the new beta's
18:21.04keyrado not use unetbootin, use dd which will dump the correct structure of partitions and filesystems and everything needed, those tools just copy the files and decide by themselves how to make it booting, making it not so reliable as the many hours that we spend on making it to rock! :)
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18:24.01grottemyeah but the usbwriter tool isn't under the beta if i'm not mistaken
18:24.29ThanaSickwell, i should make sure that the new website will include correctly all this info
18:24.39YeahjCurious to test if the 2.9.99 will solve the wifi problems with broadcom and b43.
18:24.42Yeahj:)
18:24.44keyra:)
18:24.56ThanaSicknot going to change the actual pages if all the website is going to change
18:25.00keyraThanatermesis ping, somebody needs you
18:25.08ThanaSickYeahj, can you try this? /nick Yeaj
18:25.24YeahjWill it be available today as planned?
18:25.55ThanaSickok, now say something
18:26.06Yeajsay
18:26.06keyraYeaj, memo for you: <Thanatermesis/#elive/2018-07-26 01:42>  just did another google and yes, seems like your laptop uses the B43 driver, if you tried versions before 2.9.99 it would have not worked but with the next 2.9.99 version it should directly work! keep me updated if is not the case :)
18:26.06keyraYeaj, memo for you: <Thanatermesis/#elive/2018-07-26 05:12>  check if the version 2.9.99 is here (building process started):  http://isos.elivecd.org/development/betatest/
18:26.10ThanaSickthat is :)
18:26.39Yeajgreat!
18:30.39YeajI have a friends laptop here too, which use b43 (not the Broadcom for the x360). I will test it on both computers. )
18:31.35Yeajthe .9.98 did not, as expected,  work on that laptop i noticed earlier today,
18:31.45ThanaSick<Yeaj> I have a friends laptop here too, which use b43 (not the Broadcom for the x360). I will test it on both computers. )
18:31.47ThanaSickperfect!
18:32.10ThanaSicktell me if doesn't works, i just did some changes yesterday before to build the iso
18:40.42YeajI will. (Any changes it would be useful for me to know a bit about?)
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18:42.35ThanaSicknah not really, the script is run just from a different place in the system but should work
18:44.49Yeajsounds good,
18:44.53Yeajsee you later.
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19:02.39grottemThanaSick: did you got the screenshot
19:02.46keyrause the "impr sys" key of your keyboard to take a screenshot, you can also share it with the obtained web link!
19:04.19ThanaSickhu! wtf
19:04.21ThanaSickwrong command
19:04.30ThanaSickyou will need to do it again grottem
19:04.37ThanaSickboot in Live mode and copy back the original /etc dir
19:04.42keyralive mode means the not-installed Elive, so Elive booted from a USB or DVD
19:05.48ThanaSickok, got the good command, just tested it
19:06.06grottemso was it good or not?
19:08.02ThanaSicknope, the command you ran was wrongly made
19:08.03ThanaSicktypo
19:09.39grottemdid i made the typo or you?
19:09.59grottemput the right one on mail
19:10.31ThanaSickme :)
19:10.32ThanaSickhides
19:10.34keyra:)
19:10.41ThanaSickis Thana... Sick
19:10.51ThanaSickgrottem, done
19:11.25grottemthx
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20:13.47YeajiIs it possible to use the usb-elive to boot a sdcard with elive (i need all the usb ports).)
20:13.59keyrause "usb-bootable-elive" tool to automatically download and record your USB with Elive. If you are in other Linux* use "dd" from a terminal or the Usb-ImageWriter tool, if you are in Windows use UsbWriter, please do not use other tools than the suggested ones
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20:30.12keyrawelcome to Elive, Elive_user_en_19! =)
20:30.16Elive_user_en_19ThanaSick,
20:30.17Elive_user_en_19state.PCH {
20:30.17Elive_user_en_19control.1 {
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20:30.17Elive_user_en_19name 'Headphone Playback Volume'
20:30.17Elive_user_en_19value.0 87
20:30.18Elive_user_en_19value.1 87
20:30.18keyrahow is your experience with Elive so far? any suggestion or issue to report us? your feedbacks are important for improve Elive for everybody! try also the new amazing forums! https://forum.elivelinux.org
20:30.20Elive_user_en_19comment {
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20:30.38Elive_user_en_19dbvalue.1 0
20:30.40Elive_user_en_19}
20:30.42Elive_user_en_19}
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20:30.46Elive_user_en_19iface MIXER
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20:30.50Elive_user_en_19value.0 true
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20:31.02Elive_user_en_19count 2
20:31.04Elive_user_en_19}
20:31.06Elive_user_en_19}
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20:31.10Elive_user_en_19iface MIXER
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20:31.14Elive_user_en_19value.0 87
20:31.16Elive_user_en_19value.1 87
20:31.18Elive_user_en_19comment {
20:31.20Elive_user_en_19access 'read write'
20:31.22Elive_user_en_19type INTEGER
20:31.24Elive_user_en_19count 2
20:31.26Elive_user_en_19range '0 - 87'
20:31.30Elive_user_en_19dbmin -6525
20:31.32Elive_user_en_19dbmax 0
20:31.34Elive_user_en_19dbvalue.0 0
20:31.36Elive_user_en_19dbvalue.1 0
20:31.38Elive_user_en_19}
20:31.40Elive_user_en_19}
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20:31.44Elive_user_en_19iface MIXER
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20:31.48Elive_user_en_19value.0 true
20:31.50Elive_user_en_19value.1 true
20:31.52Elive_user_en_19comment {
20:31.54Elive_user_en_19access 'read write'
20:31.56Elive_user_en_19type BOOLEAN
20:32.00Elive_user_en_19count 2
20:32.02Elive_user_en_19}
20:32.04Elive_user_en_19}
20:32.06Elive_user_en_19control.5 {
20:32.08Elive_user_en_19iface MIXER
20:32.10Elive_user_en_19name 'Mic Playback Volume'
20:32.12Elive_user_en_19value.0 31
20:32.14Elive_user_en_19value.1 31
20:32.16Elive_user_en_19comment {
20:32.18Elive_user_en_19access 'read write'
20:32.20Elive_user_en_19type INTEGER
20:32.22Elive_user_en_19count 2
20:32.25Elive_user_en_19range '0 - 31'
20:32.26Elive_user_en_19dbmin -3450
20:32.30Elive_user_en_19dbmax 1200
20:32.32Elive_user_en_19dbvalue.0 1200
20:32.34Elive_user_en_19dbvalue.1 1200
20:32.36Elive_user_en_19}
20:32.38Elive_user_en_19}
20:32.40Elive_user_en_19control.6 {
20:32.42Elive_user_en_19iface MIXER
20:32.44Elive_user_en_19name 'Mic Playback Switch'
20:32.46Elive_user_en_19value.0 false
20:32.48Elive_user_en_19value.1 false
20:32.50Elive_user_en_19comment {
20:32.52Elive_user_en_19access 'read write'
20:32.54Elive_user_en_19type BOOLEAN
20:32.56Elive_user_en_19count 2
20:33.00Elive_user_en_19}
20:33.02Elive_user_en_19}
20:33.04Elive_user_en_19control.7 {
20:33.06Elive_user_en_19iface MIXER
20:33.08Elive_user_en_19name 'Auto-Mute Mode'
20:33.10Elive_user_en_19value Enabled
20:33.12Elive_user_en_19comment {
20:33.14Elive_user_en_19access 'read write'
20:33.16Elive_user_en_19type ENUMERATED
20:33.18Elive_user_en_19count 1
20:33.20Elive_user_en_19item.0 Disabled
20:33.22Elive_user_en_19item.1 Enabled
20:33.24Elive_user_en_19}
20:33.26Elive_user_en_19}
20:33.30Elive_user_en_19control.8 {
20:33.32Elive_user_en_19iface MIXER
20:33.34Elive_user_en_19name 'Capture Volume'
20:33.36Elive_user_en_19value.0 31
20:33.38Elive_user_en_19value.1 31
20:33.40ThanaSickLOL, omg
20:33.40Elive_user_en_19comment {
20:33.42Elive_user_en_19access 'read write'
20:33.44Elive_user_en_19type INTEGER
20:33.46Elive_user_en_19count 2
20:33.48Elive_user_en_19range '0 - 31'
20:33.50ThanaSickElive_user_en_19, stop the floooood
20:33.51Elive_user_en_19dbmin -1650
20:33.52Elive_user_en_19dbmax 3000
20:33.53ThanaSickhides
20:33.54Elive_user_en_19dbvalue.0 3000
20:33.56Elive_user_en_19dbvalue.1 3000
20:34.00Elive_user_en_19}
20:34.02Elive_user_en_19}
20:34.04Elive_user_en_19control.9 {
20:34.06Elive_user_en_19iface MIXER
20:34.08Elive_user_en_19name 'Capture Switch'
20:34.10Elive_user_en_19value.0 true
20:34.12Elive_user_en_19value.1 true
20:34.14Elive_user_en_19comment {
20:34.16Elive_user_en_19access 'read write'
20:34.18Elive_user_en_19type BOOLEAN
20:34.22Elive_user_en_19count 2
20:34.22Elive_user_en_19}
20:34.24Elive_user_en_19}
20:34.26Elive_user_en_19control.10 {
20:34.30Elive_user_en_19iface MIXER
20:34.32Elive_user_en_19name 'Mic Boost Volume'
20:34.34Elive_user_en_19value.0 0
20:34.36Elive_user_en_19value.1 0
20:34.36ThanaSick~ ❯❯❯ wc -l /var/lib/alsa/asound.state
20:34.37ThanaSick780 /var/lib/alsa/asound.state
20:34.38Elive_user_en_19comment {
20:34.40ThanaSick780 ?????
20:34.40Elive_user_en_19access 'read write'
20:34.41ThanaSickno way!
20:34.42Elive_user_en_19type INTEGER
20:34.44Elive_user_en_19count 2
20:34.46Elive_user_en_19range '0 - 3'
20:34.48Elive_user_en_19dbmin 0
20:34.50Elive_user_en_19dbmax 3600
20:34.52Elive_user_en_19dbvalue.0 0
20:34.54Elive_user_en_19dbvalue.1 0
20:34.56Elive_user_en_19}
20:35.00Elive_user_en_19}
20:35.02Elive_user_en_19control.11 {
20:35.04Elive_user_en_19iface MIXER
20:35.06ThanaSickElive_user_en_19, im sorry, i need to kick you in order to make the chanel correctly working, otherwise you will be flooding until tomorrow that finishes :o
20:35.06Elive_user_en_19name 'Internal Mic Boost Volume'
20:35.08Elive_user_en_19value.0 0
20:35.09keyrastop the damn flood Noah
20:35.10Elive_user_en_19value.1 0
20:35.12Elive_user_en_19co
20:35.30Elive_user_en_19:p
20:35.32keyra:þ
20:35.37ThanaSickoh, finished?
20:35.43ThanaSickgood :)
20:35.45keyra:)
20:35.50Yeajiphew... :P, hehehe
20:35.59ThanaSickIRC has antiflood system, so your paste is delayed... so printing lines never-ending
20:36.21grottem_hehe
20:36.25grottem_sowwy
20:36.56ThanaSickmmmh, the conf doesn't looks incorrect
20:37.06ThanaSickexcept hte last lines, i assume that is cut
20:37.16ThanaSickgrottem_, are you in live mode?
20:37.17grottem_ThanaSick,
20:37.20grottem_yes
20:37.21keyralive mode means the not-installed Elive, so Elive booted from a USB or DVD
20:37.29grottem_and i've mailed you the whole scritp
20:37.30ThanaSicktry:  sudo chroot /media/Elive_OS
20:37.36ThanaSickthen: dpl | grep lightdm
20:37.44ThanaSickmmmh nah forget,
20:37.58ThanaSickit stops at a very early stage, doesn't matter here if you have or not lightdm
20:38.07ThanaSickgrottem_, i was eating, just back :)
20:38.12grottem_np
20:38.38ThanaSicki see, FORTUNATELY your paste here has been cut :) lol
20:38.51ThanaSickgrottem_, sudo palimpsest, hard disk healthy?
20:39.14ThanaSicksearch for the realocated badblocks / sectors
20:39.42grottem_disk is healthy
20:40.43ThanaSickok, try this:  cd /tmp ; mprime-cpu -t
20:40.47ThanaSickleave it running for 10 min
20:40.50ThanaSickif not stops, cancel
20:40.59ThanaSickif stops (error), then... bad bad :)
20:41.01keyra:)
20:41.35ThanaSickgrottem_, i dont really know/understand what is your problem here, it doesn't makes much sense, so let's just verify your hardware health... but i assume that you should reinstall 2.9.99 hum...
20:41.38keyraThanatermesis ping
20:41.41keyraThanatermesis ping, somebody needs you
20:41.47ThanaSickkeyra, pong pong pong pong!!!
20:41.49grottem_yeah
20:41.51ThanaSick|*
20:41.53keyra<PROTECTED>
20:41.54grottem_i think the same
20:42.14ThanaSicki would have liked to understand it but... doesnt make sense, im confused :P
20:42.16keyra:þ
20:42.20grottem_me too
20:42.25grottem_it's to hot to think
20:42.52ThanaSickis hot too, because of the cold sickness
20:43.25YeajiHmm... not trying to hijack the converation at all, but i am sure that i somehow knew how to deal with this sometime in the past:
20:43.32YeajiIs it possible to use the usb-elive to boot a sdcard with elive (i need all the usb ports).)
20:43.44keyrause "usb-bootable-elive" tool to automatically download and record your USB with Elive. If you are in other Linux* use "dd" from a terminal or the Usb-ImageWriter tool, if you are in Windows use UsbWriter, please do not use other tools than the suggested ones
20:43.59YeajiOr something else than usb-live, some usbthing to boot sd.
20:45.44Yeajisome bootmanager-usb or something...
20:45.45ThanaSickYeaji, what is your exact problem?
20:46.12ThanaSicki mean, for what thing you need these usb's and/or: why not install Elive and then you have all the usb's free (if you want to install of course)
20:46.15keyraare you searching for this? http://www.elivecd.org/?s=free
20:47.07YeajiInstall is for latera after i have had enough time to move data and free up diskspace and prepare for repartitioning.
20:48.08ThanaSickYeaji, well, you can use a DVD?
20:48.08Yeajiright now the task would be to just make it run from the sd by booting it from the usb. My usb-ports have some hd-issues and that is no good when installing...
20:48.21Yeajino this laptop have no DVD,
20:48.28keyrathanks for reporting the issue, by knowing it we can solve the problem for you and for everybody else affected, please use the BTS for that: http://bugs.elivecd.org
20:48.29ThanaSickok, you should try this then:
20:48.35ThanaSickrecord a USB and also a SD
20:48.40ThanaSickin the same way (dd for example)
20:48.45Yeajidone.
20:48.47keyrause "usb-bootable-elive" tool to automatically download and record your USB with Elive. If you are in other Linux* use "dd" from a terminal or the Usb-ImageWriter tool, if you are in Windows use UsbWriter, please do not use other tools than the suggested ones
20:48.56ThanaSickthinks that the usb-bootable-elive tool has not SD detection?
20:49.14ThanaSickthen, boot from usb and add with TAB the boot parameter "changedevice", then you should see the instructions :)
20:49.27ThanaSickhopefully they are not hidden by the splash session
20:49.28keyra:)
20:49.28YeajiAhh!
20:49.32ThanaSickon such case, remove splash and quiet
20:49.37YeajiI will have a look into this.
20:49.41ThanaSick:)
20:50.49YeajiIs this the same way one can make a "poor mans install" or "frugal"..?
20:51.25YeajiJust stoch the stuff on a partition and boot it up from usb without touching bootloader on sda?
20:51.38keyrause "usb-bootable-elive" tool to automatically download and record your USB with Elive. If you are in other Linux* use "dd" from a terminal or the Usb-ImageWriter tool, if you are in Windows use UsbWriter, please do not use other tools than the suggested ones
20:55.01ThanaSickwell, i made it so that people with computers that doesn't boots from USB no-matter-what can make them booting from it :)
20:55.06ThanaSickso boot from DVD, then switch
20:55.13keyrause "usb-bootable-elive" tool to automatically download and record your USB with Elive. If you are in other Linux* use "dd" from a terminal or the Usb-ImageWriter tool, if you are in Windows use UsbWriter, please do not use other tools than the suggested ones
20:55.15keyra:)
21:00.19grottem_ThanaSick,
21:00.24grottem_test ran 18 min
21:00.28grottem_0 errors
21:00.31grottem_0 warnings
21:00.41grottem_i'm going to upgrade my system to 2.9.99 now
21:00.50keyrato upgrade your elive system manually you can run the command "apug" or "elive-upgrader --upgrade", but the system will already run elive-upgrader from time to time so do not care
21:02.30ThanaSickgrottem_, ok :)
21:02.32keyra:)
21:02.56ThanaSickgrottem_, i will suggest you to run a Memtest from the bootloader too (all the night), but i dont think that this is the cause
21:03.17keyrato run memtest boot in live mode and in the advanced options of the boot menu select the ram diagnostic tool, leave it running for more than one hour until it says at least Pass 1 finished, check the errors section to see if there's any error, your RAM needs to be perfect or you will have lots of problems and it can destroy your data, if you have bad ram just change it or remove the slot that is causing problems
21:26.46ThanaSickgrottem_, are you good at maths?
21:28.16grottem_nowp why
21:28.41ThanaSicki need to do a calculation algorithm
21:28.53ThanaSickfor fix the automatic font sizing system
21:28.55ThanaSickmmmh...
21:29.45ThanaSick96 (or 100) dpi is equivalent to 100, but 157 dpi needs to be 80
21:30.03ThanaSicki need to obtain the 80 from 157
21:30.12ThanaSickbut this doesn't makes sense, its not proportional, it is?
21:32.31ThanaSickthe proportion is 0.63 times bigger
21:32.34ThanaSicknot 0.8
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21:33.37grottem_i got 1.56 times
21:33.50ThanaSick100 / 157 = 0.63
21:33.58ThanaSicki need to obtain 0.8, which is the correct value
21:34.00ThanaSickhum.....
21:34.01ThanaSickconfused
21:36.12ThanaSick(100 / 157 ) + ((100 / 157 ) / 3.9)
21:36.15ThanaSickthis does it
21:36.25ThanaSickbut...
21:36.44grottem_why 3.9
21:36.55grottem_thana i need to reboot the system
21:37.03ThanaSickits like adding a portion to round for obtain the 0.8 which is the value that i need
21:37.08grottem_upgrade is completed
21:37.15ThanaSickwhat i dont know if this will be equally good for different screens
21:37.20ThanaSicki mean, different dpi's
21:37.37ThanaSickgrottem_, do yo uhave any screen with a small pixels?
21:37.50ThanaSick~ ❯❯❯ xdpyinfo| grep inch
21:37.50ThanaSick<PROTECTED>
21:37.57ThanaSick96 is common ones
21:38.31grottem_the screen on the laptop is 96*96
21:38.39grottem_brb need to reboot
21:38.42ThanaSickok
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21:43.51keyrawelcome to Elive, Elive_user_en_83! =)
21:43.57keyrahow is your experience with Elive so far? any suggestion or issue to report us? your feedbacks are important for improve Elive for everybody! try also the new amazing forums! https://forum.elivelinux.org
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21:47.24jfbourdeauam here
21:48.05jfbourdeau:-)
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21:51.40ThanaSickhi jfbourdeau :)
21:51.42keyra:)
21:51.48jfbourdeauHi THanaSick
21:52.03jfbourdeauit's jfbourdeauFeelingGood
21:52.10ThanaSicklol
21:52.13ThanaSickim a big cold here
21:52.16ThanaSickmy brain is very laggy
21:52.23jfbourdeauWe don't have that in Canada
21:52.27ThanaSickwill try to write good code, not buggy one
21:52.35jfbourdeauno cold and internet do not lag ( joke )
21:52.46ThanaSickjfbourdeau, i would need to know, which is the dpi of your screen?
21:52.54ThanaSick~ ❯❯❯ xdpyinfo| grep inch
21:52.55ThanaSick<PROTECTED>
21:53.04jfbourdeauHum.... let me google ? No ideas
21:53.11ThanaSickdo you know your model ?
21:53.17ThanaSickmodel screen number stuff
21:53.56jfbourdeauHP 22er 21.5
21:54.09ThanaSickjfbourdeau, the last 2.9.99 is from here (only private download before i finish my tests):  http://isos.elivecd.org/development/betatest/
21:54.27ThanaSickyou should try the persistence mode :)
21:54.32jfbourdeauok tks !
21:55.02jfbourdeaugo to bed now LOL
21:55.15grottemThanaSick,
21:55.18grottemupgrade done
21:55.35grottemnow i can reconfigure and reinstall all the apps again
21:55.49ThanaSick102 ppi
21:55.55ThanaSickhum...
21:56.00ThanaSickjfbourdeau, are you good in maths?
21:56.17jfbourdeauI am " ok "
21:56.17ThanaSickjfbourdeau, i wanna finish a few things first :), like these fonts thing
21:56.30jfbourdeauok
21:56.30jfbourdeauhttps://support.hp.com/my-en/product/hp-value-21-inch-displays/7274735/model/10402848/document/c05150341
21:56.55jfbourdeauyes 102 DPI
21:57.00ThanaSickjfbourdeau, if 100 is the equivalent for 96 (or for 100), how to calculate the equivalence for 157 that obtains 80 ?
21:57.16ThanaSicki need the proportionality calculation
21:57.17grottemThanaSick, i'm siginng off going to spend some time with the gf
21:57.34ThanaSickgrottem, reconfigure / reinstall apps?
21:57.40ThanaSickgrottem, ok, have a good time! :)
21:57.42grottemveracrypt
21:57.42keyra:)
21:57.45ThanaSickah
21:57.46grottemis gone
21:57.51grottemmegasync is gone
21:57.56ThanaSickwhere you installed them?
21:58.00ThanaSickas debian packages?
21:58.00grottempersonal settings are gone
21:58.02grottemyes
21:58.12ThanaSickyeah debian packages are overwriten
21:58.13grottemfor the megasync
21:58.23grottemveracrypt duno anymore
21:58.23ThanaSickbecause is part of the "system"
21:58.39ThanaSickif you install things in /usr/local they should be kept
21:58.53ThanaSickor in user's home, but thats a bit complex
21:59.14jfbourdeauyour question is not clear
21:59.15jfbourdeauif 100 is the equivalent for 96 (or for 100), how to calculate the equivalence for 157 that obtains 80 ?
21:59.37ThanaSickyes :)
21:59.39ThanaSicklol
21:59.39keyra:)
21:59.49ThanaSickso, 100 -> 100 (proportional value)
21:59.58ThanaSick157 -> 80 (proportional value)
22:00.02ThanaSicki need the math that does that
22:00.39jfbourdeauMy 21 years old son is good in math but is also trying to understad your question
22:00.42ThanaSickwell, 96 -> 100 (or 100, not sure, but doens't matter much since is almost the same)
22:01.00ThanaSickok let me explain
22:01.05jfbourdeauok we're close to understand
22:01.06ThanaSickDPI's is the size of the pixels in your screens
22:01.13jfbourdeauyep
22:01.13ThanaSick"dots/pixels per inch"
22:01.49ThanaSickso if you configure your fonts to be big as 12 pixels, it will take a DIFFERENT size in the real world in a screen that uses 96 (which is the common ones) or these new ones like mine that has 157
22:02.10ThanaSickour human eyes doesnt change and needs to read the same phisical size
22:02.19ThanaSickso Elive configures the fonts in proportion to the dpi's
22:02.50jfbourdeauyour have 157 DPI  on your screen ? (curious)
22:03.08grottemThanaSick,
22:03.25ThanaSickyes, the new laptop
22:03.27grottemif you do 96 * 1.56 you get 157
22:03.49jfbourdeauso you want the letter to be the same size in the real world, whatever the dpi is?
22:04.01ThanaSickgrottem, hum...
22:04.05ThanaSickjfbourdeau, yes
22:05.23grottem157.44 to be exactly but i took 2 numbres behond decimalpoint
22:07.16jfbourdeauThe font will need to be 1.63 times bigger (in pixel amount) for 157 DPI than if you have 96 DPI
22:07.29jfbourdeauIs that what you wanted to know?
22:07.35jfbourdeaufrom olivier
22:07.37jfbourdeaulol
22:08.23ThanaSickyes, this is the concept
22:08.34ThanaSickbut in real world it works in a way that doesnt makes sense lol
22:08.54ThanaSickif i configure the fonts to be 10px in my 96 dpi screen, it looks good (the correct value)
22:09.02ThanaSickso in my 157 dpi screen i need to configure it as 8px
22:09.22ThanaSickso: smaller pixels, smaller font configuration (doesn't makes sense, but it works this way the source code)
22:09.26keyrahave you already checked the Elive group in github?
22:10.05ThanaSickbut yes, 1.57 is the proportion
22:10.15ThanaSickhum..........
22:10.44jfbourdeauIf you want the font to be 10px in 96DPI, for it to be the same real-life size on a 157DPI, it needs to be 16.35px instead of 10px
22:11.07jfbourdeauno " Elive group in github " did tool a look yet
22:11.10keyrafuck github! http://www.elivecd.org/news/rip-github-microsoft
22:11.29jfbourdeauoops it was keyra talking
22:11.44ThanaSickyeah, that would the -coherent- thing, but it doesn't works, i need to set it to 8px instead of 16px
22:11.49jfbourdeaukeyra spank
22:11.51keyrapants OFF!
22:11.58ThanaSicknot sure why the source code does it this way but this is how it makes it working correctly
22:12.27ThanaSick(157 / 100) / 2
22:12.31ThanaSickhum, this results in 0.8
22:12.38ThanaSicknot sure if this is correct
22:12.48ThanaSick(157 / 96) / 2
22:12.52ThanaSicklet's say this
22:13.00grottembye guys
22:13.02grottemttyl
22:13.04ThanaSicksee ya grottem :)
22:13.06keyra:)
22:13.15ThanaSicknope, not works...
22:13.38ThanaSickfor your 102 dpi screen you will have:  (102 / 96) / 2 = 0.5  (so 5px), this will be extremely small
22:14.43ThanaSick(96 / 157) = 0.6, should be 0.8
22:15.56ThanaSickso 0.6 is the difference proportion, from which i need to obtain 0.8
22:16.23jfbourdeauI'm not sure I follow you. But if the logical solution doesn't make sense, could you simply go with trial and error, and pick the one that looks the best?
22:16.36jfbourdeauBut if the logical solution doesn't work*
22:16.49ThanaSickno, it needs to be auto calculated! :)
22:16.53ThanaSickso 96 = 100
22:17.02ThanaSickyour 102 = 98  (or something similar)
22:17.06ThanaSick157 = 80
22:18.18ThanaSick(((100 / 157 ) + (100 / 157 ) / 3.9) ⋅ 100 )
22:18.21ThanaSickdoes this makes sense?
22:20.02ThanaSicki mean:  (((96 / 157 ) + (96 / 157 ) / 3) ⋅ 100 )
22:20.39ThanaSicknope, for your screen does 125, it needs to be 98 or similar
22:21.30jfbourdeauBy the way it's the son talking here, by father is cooking but he can't help you more than me I think.
22:21.55ThanaSickok :)
22:21.57keyra:)
22:22.40ThanaSickthis makes a bit more of sense:
22:22.41ThanaSick( 100 − (( 0.6 / 3 ) ⋅ 100)
22:22.51ThanaSick0.6 is the proportion
22:22.58ThanaSickso let me now calculate the proportion...
22:23.47ThanaSick( 100 − (( (96 / 157) / 3 ) ⋅ 100)
22:23.50ThanaSickthis shows 80
22:24.07ThanaSickbut with 102, which should be 98, shows 68, hum... !
22:25.21jfbourdeauI'm not sure I understand your calculations. But let's say the base font size is for 96DPI. At 96DPI, the font size is at 100% (10px for a 10px font). For 157DPI, it would need to be at 163.54% (16.35px for a 10px font)
22:25.34jfbourdeauDoes this make sense, and does it help you?
22:25.45ThanaSickmakes sense, but not works this way
22:26.02ThanaSickfor a 96 screen the correct configuration is 100, for a 157 the correct configuration is 80
22:26.45ThanaSickso from 8 to 10, its 0.8 smaller
22:27.26ThanaSickfrom 96 to 157 i should have a difference-proportion of 0.8
22:27.50jfbourdeauI'm not sure I understand, if you have the correct configuration for both 96DPI and 157DPI, then what is the problem? Is there more DPI size than 96 or 157? Is that why you need a ratio, to adjust the size for every DPI possible?
22:27.58keyrathanks for reporting the issue, by knowing it we can solve the problem for you and for everybody else affected, please use the BTS for that: http://bugs.elivecd.org
22:28.32ThanaSickyes, the system defaults to 10px for fonts, but to make it readable for everybody it needs to be dynamically configured based in their dpi's
22:29.14jfbourdeauCan you send me the lines of code, or something, where I can see how you input the calculation for the DPI?
22:29.43ThanaSicki previosly used this:     font_size_auto = ( ( (double)96 / (double)dpi ) * 100.000 );
22:30.09ThanaSickbut it looks small on my screen, because this proportion results in 60 and i need 80
22:30.50ThanaSickbut is not a bad calculation.. its almost here, your screen results in 94 calculated (should be like 97 or 98)
22:30.59ThanaSickso it needs a shift of a small %, hum...
22:32.13ThanaSick((96 / 157 ) / 3) + (96 / 157 )
22:32.16ThanaSickthis makes sense? mmh...
22:32.27ThanaSicknope, 1.25 for 102
22:32.28ThanaSickdamn!
22:33.11jfbourdeauI guess that font_size_auto will become 10? For the defaults 10px? And what is (double)?
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22:33.21keyraElmo40, memo for you: <Thanatermesis/#elive/2018-07-26 17:47>  can you do a test? see if plugin/unplugin the AC (in laptop) changes the cpufreq gadget to full when connected and Min when on battery (i think that th eproblems is in my laptop, broken battery) - BTW i have other messages for you writed before
22:33.29Elmo40ThanaSick, why are you sick?
22:33.29jfbourdeauI'm not familiar with that coding language but I understand what you're trying to do
22:34.02ThanaSickElmo40, cold :/
22:34.04keyra:|
22:34.35ThanaSickjfbourdeau, if i use 96 it becomes 100 correctly, yes, but if i use 157 it becomes 60, and it needs to be 80
22:34.36Elmo40i tried to run Elive on my moms acer all-in-one computer... turned off secure boot but it didnt even list the USB!
22:34.38ThanaSickElmo40, are you good in maths?
22:34.48keyrause "usb-bootable-elive" tool to automatically download and record your USB with Elive. If you are in other Linux* use "dd" from a terminal or the Usb-ImageWriter tool, if you are in Windows use UsbWriter, please do not use other tools than the suggested ones
22:34.49Elmo401+1=3 ?
22:34.52ThanaSickElmo40, UEFI disable too
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22:34.59ThanaSickElmo40, enable legacy boot too
22:35.04Elmo40how do you disable that?
22:35.08ThanaSickbios :)
22:35.10keyra:)
22:35.14ThanaSickbut some bios dont has so...
22:35.18Elmo40ah, no option have legacy boot...
22:35.19ThanaSickthey should have
22:35.23Elmo40only no secure boot
22:35.25ThanaSickthen disable just uefi
22:35.31Elmo40no mention of EUFI!
22:35.36YeajWifi was working in both the b43 and the Broadcom laptop.
22:35.36ThanaSickthats because it tries to search for an uefi
22:35.48ThanaSickElmo40, so deeply implemented uefi that doesnt search for other thing to boot from
22:35.57ThanaSickYeaj, amazing !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
22:36.00ThanaSickdances, with keyra
22:36.10ThanaSicksits down, too sick to dance
22:36.13YeajBut but of them gave the initial elive error message that it did not.
22:36.53ThanaSickYeaj, oh, hum.. thats because it configures later to detect that is not working... do you remember what the message said?
22:37.51ThanaSickYeaj, in first boot time or graphical system?
22:38.07ThanaSickinitial boot (before graphical) or after *
22:39.39jfbourdeauElmo40 some computers and laptops cannot boot from all of their usb ports. You need to put the usb key in the good usb port. On my HP laptop, only one of my usb ports is bootable
22:39.51keyrause "usb-bootable-elive" tool to automatically download and record your USB with Elive. If you are in other Linux* use "dd" from a terminal or the Usb-ImageWriter tool, if you are in Windows use UsbWriter, please do not use other tools than the suggested ones
22:41.19ThanaSickinteresting...
22:41.31ThanaSickor boot from dvd?
22:41.49ThanaSickElmo40, if 96 is equivalent to 100, how to calculate 157 to result in 80
22:42.34jfbourdeauThat's not possible, you'll need to tweak your code
22:42.38jfbourdeauis the code in CSS?
22:43.09ThanaSickwhat you mean by not possible?
22:43.12ThanaSickno, its C
22:43.17ThanaSickbut maths is the same in every language
22:43.38ThanaSickim using qalculate to try to obtain the math :), will write the code later
22:43.59Elmo40rounding error
22:44.00Elmo40;-)
22:44.08ThanaSickElmo40, help! :)
22:44.10keyra:)
22:46.40ThanaSickok so... 157 / 96 has a proportion of 1.635, so...
22:46.46ThanaSick(96 / 157) / 0.76  = 0.8
22:46.49ThanaSickthat works
22:47.16ThanaSickbut if i use 96 instead of 157, should be 100 and is 1.315
22:47.24ThanaSickbut if i use 96 instead of 157, should be 1.00 and is 1.315
22:47.53ThanaSickso the 0.76 needs to change proportionally to the difference between the two ones
22:48.03ThanaSicknot sure to say things that has sense
22:48.07Elmo40no, it should be 1.315
22:48.19Elmo40what are you calculating?
22:48.32keyraI'm the good and the bad, the black and the white, the alpha and omega, I'm beyond time, there's no atomic substances on me and my form is pure energy, I'm a reflection of my echo resonating across the universe from the future, so what I'm, you know now?
22:50.05ThanaSickyes, it is 1.315 but i need 1.00
22:50.06ThanaSick:)
22:50.08keyra:)
22:50.18Elmo40x/x = 1
22:50.22ThanaSickElmo40, automatic font size configuration based on the dpi's of the screen
22:50.23Elmo40x/y != 1
22:50.38Elmo40y/x != 1
22:50.44Elmo40what is .76?
22:50.50Elmo40what are these numbers?
22:50.56Elmo40screen resolution?
22:50.58Elmo40how to know DPI ?
22:51.06ThanaSickElmo40, in a screen of 96 dpi (most of them), the value needs to be configured to 10, but in a screen of 157, it needs to be 8
22:51.09ThanaSickthat is the point ^
22:51.20Elmo40i thought vid card only knows resolution, not physical size of screen to know DPI
22:51.27jfbourdeauI'm with elmo, I feel like it is not possible. If 96=100. 157 cannot = 80
22:51.28ThanaSickso in a screen of 300 dpi, it should be something like... idk, maybe 4 or 5
22:52.02Elmo40font size should be 4 or 5?
22:52.05ThanaSickjfbourdeau, Elmo40, thats why i need to know the proportion difference to obtain these values
22:52.10Elmo40in  300DPI ?
22:52.16ThanaSickElmo40, in a screen of 96 dpi (most of them), the value needs to be configured to 10, but in a screen of 157, it needs to be 8
22:52.19ThanaSickthat is the point
22:52.26ThanaSickit works this way (tested/testing)
22:52.34ThanaSicki need to use these values
22:52.35Elmo40what is the number 10 for?
22:52.43jfbourdeau10px
22:52.47ThanaSickwell, it says pixels but doesnt make sense :)
22:52.50Elmo40px?
22:52.53ThanaSickthe thing is that it works with these values this way
22:53.01Elmo40yeah, if you go smaller with higher DPI, then it is not pixels
22:53.09jfbourdeau^
22:53.13ThanaSickso maybe is not pixels, but is a value that works this way
22:53.18ThanaSicki know *
22:53.19Elmo40with higher DPI you need larger font size!
22:53.29ThanaSicki know *
22:53.33ThanaSickbut it works this way
22:53.37ThanaSickand i need to use these values lol
22:53.47Elmo40so... it is a fraction. a/10 or a/5...
22:53.52ThanaSickif i set 10 to my 157 dpi screen, it looks too huge, i need to use 8
22:53.58Elmo40so... have if/then statement? ;-)
22:54.03jfbourdeauhave you checked on stackoverflow or something? maybe the whole code is on there
22:54.07Elmo40if DPI 90-99, use 10
22:54.29ThanaSickElmo40, that is the only alternative, but i want to made it dynamically calculated
22:54.38Elmo40true
22:54.47ThanaSick<PROTECTED>
22:54.51ThanaSicki used this before
22:54.54Elmo40but how do you find DPI? does the monitor tell the video card what DPI it is?
22:54.54ThanaSickand almost worked
22:55.11ThanaSickbut results in 60 for my 157 dpi, and it should be 80
22:55.20ThanaSickElmo40, yes :)
22:55.22keyra:)
22:55.32ThanaSick~ ❯❯❯ xdpyinfo| grep inch
22:55.32ThanaSick<PROTECTED>
22:56.22ThanaSickElmo40, so:  (96 / 157) * 100  = 60
22:56.27ThanaSickthis code makes sense
22:56.39ThanaSickproportional calculation
22:56.44ThanaSickexcept that should be 80 and not 60
22:57.20Elmo40i didnt know the monitor tells vid card dpi
22:57.24Elmo40i didnt think it would matter
22:57.37Elmo40i thought it only told resolution
22:58.01Elmo40then again, higher DPI means higher resolution in smaller screen.
22:58.41ThanaSick96 / (157 ⋅ (60 / 80) )
22:59.05ThanaSickthis makes somewhat sense... but the last value (60/80) is proportional to the difference bettween 96 / 157
22:59.06ThanaSickhum....
22:59.20Elmo40show me the whole code
22:59.28ThanaSickElmo40, full E source code?
22:59.30Elmo40i dont understand what you are trying to do.
22:59.32Elmo40yes!
22:59.32keyrahave you already checked the Elive group in github?
22:59.36Elmo40all 2kb of it
22:59.38Elmo40>_<
22:59.43keyraI'm the good and the bad, the black and the white, the alpha and omega, I'm beyond time, there's no atomic substances on me and my form is pure energy, I'm a reflection of my echo resonating across the universe from the future, so what I'm, you know now?
22:59.50Elmo40ok.
22:59.58Elmo40so the answer changes depending on DPI
23:00.00Elmo40not resolution?
23:00.07jfbourdeauSon here, I need to go do some stuff, I'll leave you to my dad. Personally the first thing I would do is try to find the code on stackoverflow, maybe someone already posted about the same problem. I can't help you more than that, I'm not sure to understand the meaning of the values in your code, sorry
23:00.39Elmo40and you auto change the font px size according to DPI, not resolution?
23:02.14ThanaSickyeah, not resolution, only dpi matters
23:02.38jfbourdeauDad is back ( jf)   sorry I can't help you LOL  if my son was not able to help you, I would ask on forums at the same time, while still looking for the answer,,, Post on 2 or 3 different forums
23:02.43ThanaSickElmo40, by default E configures fonts to be at 10 px (px or value, call it whatever you want), which looks good in most of the screens
23:02.58ThanaSicki have a laptop with 157 dpi, but fonts looks too huge and i need to change the value 10 to 8
23:03.40ThanaSickin other words, if the screen would be 126 dpi, the value needed to use should be 126
23:03.52ThanaSickin other words, if the screen would be 126 dpi, the value needed to use should be 9
23:04.43ThanaSickjfbourdeau, i just need somebody good at maths that can know how to do a simple thing like that lol
23:07.44jfbourdeauok now trying 2.9.99 in a VM ;-)  
23:09.36ThanaSick:)
23:09.38keyra:)
23:11.13ThanaSick01:09 < tehSpork> wald0, if i understand the situation correctly, it seems like lowering the setting by 1 point increases dpi by 3
23:11.14ThanaSickhum...
23:11.18ThanaSickis also at #math
23:11.32ThanaSickyes, we have a #math channel in IRC :)
23:11.39ThanaSick00:07 -!- Irssi: ##math: Total of 842 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 842 normal]
23:11.45ThanaSickand is not empty
23:12.32ThanaSickElmo40, every 3 points in dpi = -1 point in value (talking about 80 and 100, not 8 and 10)
23:12.35ThanaSickthat doesn't makes sense
23:12.51ThanaSickbecause that way, after a limit of dpi we will reach 0
23:13.41ThanaSick<PROTECTED>
23:13.41ThanaSick<PROTECTED>
23:13.50ThanaSickthis is the code that i used Elmo40 ^
23:14.12ThanaSickdamn, i feel so sick...
23:14.22ThanaSickim going to sleep for 3 days lol
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23:28.43Elmo40what is (double) ?
23:31.02Elmo40since you divide it out, it doesnt matter...
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23:32.19Elmo40font_size_auto = ( ( (double)96 / (double)dpi ) * 100.000 )
23:33.47Elmo40this looks like this:
23:33.47Elmo40http://oi66.tinypic.com/726sgj.jpg
23:34.11ThanaSickcorrection: they are not pixels, if i configure the pixels they act as normally/correctly
23:34.24ThanaSickvalues are 80 and 100, not 8px and 10px
23:34.47ThanaSickElmo40, to round correctly the result, enforces decimal points
23:34.59Elmo40sure, whatever you need...
23:35.08Elmo40but this formula is simply y=1/x
23:35.11Elmo40that is the curve you make
23:35.24Elmo40to slide left and right or up and down you add the multipliers
23:35.31Elmo40in this case, *100
23:35.53ThanaSicknot sure to understand
23:36.05Elmo40i need some numbers.
23:36.07Elmo40some relations
23:36.14ThanaSickbut i agree, is not linear, is a curve
23:36.17Elmo40ok, lets start from beginning...
23:36.23Elmo40what are 4 or 5 common DPI ?
23:36.33ThanaSickidk :)
23:36.35keyra:)
23:36.37ThanaSickthe only thing that i know is:
23:36.49ThanaSick96 (most most most common screens), needs a value of 100
23:37.03ThanaSickand 157 dpi screens, needs a value of 80
23:37.04Elmo4072-300 is the range
23:37.10ThanaSickyeah more or less :)
23:37.20Elmo40ok, good.
23:37.26Elmo40that is what my second question is
23:37.35Elmo40of the DPI you know and tested on, what is the value you NEED
23:37.46Elmo40so... 96:100 and 157:80?
23:38.00Elmo40my screen is 118
23:38.09Elmo40go here to find yours
23:38.09Elmo40http://dpi.lv/
23:41.34ThanaSickyes, so your value should be something like 94
23:43.11ThanaSickthis website is not correct, it says 209 for me, doesnt looks correct
23:43.33Elmo40adjust your screen size
23:43.38Elmo40i had to click on 15.6"
23:43.48Elmo40i think it is 'defaults' for certain resolutions...
23:44.02ThanaSickSpecifications of LG 29UM65-P. Display: 28.75 in, AH-IPS, W-LED, 2560 x 1080 ... 96 ppi (pixels per inch) ... It is measured in candela per square metre (cd/m²).
23:44.04ThanaSickthis is my display
23:44.34ThanaSicka website cannot detect dpi
23:44.50ThanaSickits a phisical thing unless data given, and i think that is not
23:46.26Elmo40some info
23:46.26Elmo40A pixel has no size, no physical value or meaning outside of its mathematical representation. It is a part of a relationship between the physical screen size, expressed in inches, the screen resolution, expressed in pixel per inches and the pixel screen size, expressed in pixels.
23:47.06ThanaSickhum wait, i found something...
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23:48.01ThanaSickElmo40, "dots/pixels per inch", means amount of pixels that fits in an inch, so phisical
23:48.39Elmo40yes
23:48.41Elmo40i know
23:48.55Elmo40that is a quote from a website...
23:51.00Elmo40so... what we want is this formula:
23:51.10Elmo40P/R=U
23:52.20Elmo40the pixel screen size / resolution = physical screen size.
23:52.31ThanaSickso bad quote lol
23:52.32Elmo40once you find physical screen size you can make your font px size
23:52.46ThanaSickwell, is correct but confusing
23:52.48Elmo40a pixel has no size.
23:52.50Elmo40this is true
23:53.11Elmo40when you make the ratio (ppi) pixel per inch, then you give it a physical size.
23:53.26ThanaSick<Elmo40> the pixel screen size / resolution = physical screen size.
23:53.27ThanaSicknope
23:53.28Elmo40but just given a pixel size means nothing unless you know how many per inch
23:53.31ThanaSickresolution doesnt matter at all
23:53.42Elmo40of course it does. how can it not?
23:53.43ThanaSickphisical size of pixels can be the same in a big or small screen
23:53.48Elmo40true
23:53.54Elmo40and that means DPI is different
23:53.55ThanaSickno matter the resolution
23:53.58ThanaSicknope
23:54.00Elmo40no no.
23:54.09Elmo40you arent looking at it the right way
23:54.10ThanaSicksee the word "amount of dots per every inch"
23:54.15Elmo40it is all a simple formula.
23:54.22Elmo40exactly
23:54.24Elmo40PPI
23:54.27Elmo40pixel per inch
23:54.34Elmo40(DPI is more common name)
23:54.35ThanaSickin any case these things doesnt matter... because we already know the phisical size (dpi), isn?t
23:54.45Elmo40no we dont
23:54.53Elmo40we are looking to find physical size
23:55.00Elmo40to make proper px size of font
23:55.04ThanaSick~ ❯❯❯ xdpyinfo| grep inch                                                                         1
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23:55.10Elmo40to do this we need resolution and DPI
23:55.24Elmo40when we have resolution & DPI we find physical screen size
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23:55.54ThanaSickElmo40, but we dont need to know the phisical screen size :)
23:55.56keyra:)
23:56.08ThanaSickwe need to know the amount of phsiical size that the pixel takes
23:56.10ThanaSickso, dpi
23:56.42ThanaSickin order to know, if we must use a font configured to fix 10px, or if the dpi is bigger (smaller pixels), increase the amount of font-px-configuration to fit a bigger phisical space
23:57.02ThanaSickso doesnt matter how big or small is the screen, we need to have the fonts to be exactly 2mm
23:57.05ThanaSick2mm height
23:57.18ThanaSickfor a CAPS like the char D
23:57.55Elmo40see, you just answered your statement with what i said...
23:58.00ThanaSickbigger screens? more chars inside, but all of them still to be 2mm
23:58.09Elmo40we need to have the fonts to be exactly 2mm in height.
23:58.14ThanaSickyeah
23:58.41Elmo40this is the size you want?
23:58.49Elmo402mm, no matter what screen they use?

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