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| 02:51.42 | keyra | welcome EliveWeb_88512! Ask your question! Have you see the new amazing forums too? http://forum.elivelinux.org , the are gorgeous! =) |
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| 07:53.20 | keyra | welcome to Elive, Elive_user_en_82! =) |
| 07:53.26 | keyra | how is your experience with Elive so far? any suggestion or issue to report us? your feedbacks are important for improve Elive for everybody! try also the new amazing forums! https://forum.elivelinux.org |
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| 08:44.24 | ravensun | Have a nice day :) |
| 08:44.26 | keyra | :) |
| 09:21.55 | grottem | hi ravensun |
| 09:50.24 | ravensun | grottem: hi |
| 11:22.07 | grottem | how are you ravensun |
| 11:22.09 | keyra | very good, thx :) |
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| 12:54.55 | keyra | Thanatermesis, memo for you: <grottem/#elive/2018-07-27 18:35> i thinkso |
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| 12:56.32 | grottem | hi Thanatermesis |
| 12:56.38 | Thanatermesis | hi grottem :) |
| 12:56.40 | keyra | :) |
| 12:57.38 | grottem | how are you o great one |
| 12:57.40 | keyra | very good, thx :) |
| 12:58.12 | Thanatermesis | still sick, maybe a little better today :) |
| 12:58.25 | grottem | sick isn't good |
| 12:58.45 | Thanatermesis | apt-get remove --purge sickness |
| 12:59.08 | Thanatermesis | # process will take 48 more hours... |
| 12:59.08 | grottem | you forgot sudo :p |
| 12:59.11 | keyra | :þ |
| 12:59.18 | Thanatermesis | yeah, sudo is important :D |
| 13:01.00 | grottem | yeah :D |
| 13:01.40 | grottem | you know the first thing you learn in a bacholor computer science?? |
| 13:01.55 | grottem | that reneable root and use root ... as a user |
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| 13:15.59 | keyra | to upgrade your elive system manually you can run the command "apug" or "elive-upgrader --upgrade", but the system will already run elive-upgrader from time to time so do not care |
| 13:16.02 | keyra | yepee! fresh packages uploaded! yummy yummy :D |
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| 13:32.41 | keyra | yepee! fresh packages uploaded! yummy yummy :D |
| 13:44.43 | Thanatermesis | Elmo40, can you tell me if there was a problem with the screens configurator or something to improve? im doing the last modifications/tests for the final version :) |
| 13:44.45 | keyra | :) |
| 13:44.53 | keyra | thanks for reporting the issue, by knowing it we can solve the problem for you and for everybody else affected, please use the BTS for that: http://bugs.elivecd.org |
| 13:45.57 | Thanatermesis | grottem, do you have moultiple monitors too? |
| 13:49.39 | grottem | yes |
| 13:50.01 | grottem | but didn't test elive on external monitor |
| 13:55.23 | Thanatermesis | grottem, could be good if you made a test :), Elmo40 reported some issues but im not sure if there's really an issue with that |
| 13:55.31 | keyra | thanks for reporting the issue, by knowing it we can solve the problem for you and for everybody else affected, please use the BTS for that: http://bugs.elivecd.org |
| 13:55.41 | Thanatermesis | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:55.41 | Thanatermesis | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:55.41 | Thanatermesis | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:55.41 | Thanatermesis | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:55.43 | Thanatermesis | --- |
| 13:55.50 | keyra | mouse? what a stupid name... these devices should have been called something like.. posixy, as a positionator of coordinates X and Y, boicot human stupidity! bots will rule the world! |
| 13:55.52 | Thanatermesis | so, if im not wrong, the resolutions thing can be perfectly configured |
| 13:56.22 | grottem | i'll do my best to test this |
| 13:56.31 | Thanatermesis | switching hotkey -should- work too, not sure which Elmo40 problem found with that (see that E with multiple screens works in a special way, there's no "single screen" concept or "different screen" concept, but a mix between the too |
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| 13:56.44 | keyra | to upgrade your elive system manually you can run the command "apug" or "elive-upgrader --upgrade", but the system will already run elive-upgrader from time to time so do not care |
| 13:56.47 | keyra | yepee! fresh packages uploaded! yummy yummy :D |
| 13:57.10 | Thanatermesis | so, windows can be between these 2 screens and moved between them, WHILE you can change the virtual desktops from each screen independently, not like "this is a unique big screen" concept |
| 13:57.12 | Thanatermesis | ^ Elmo40 |
| 13:57.13 | keyra | Thanatermesis ping, somebody needs you |
| 13:57.46 | Thanatermesis | in other words, Elmo40 should not have needed to reduce their virtual desktops to horizontal or vertical only... not sure |
| 13:58.26 | Thanatermesis | by other side, "cpu going to the moon" is an important issue, if we can detect it I can add it to the daemon to "catch and kill" it correctly so that we will never have E consuming cpu to the moon :) |
| 13:58.29 | keyra | :) |
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| 14:49.46 | Elmo40 | Thanatermesis, i resolved the dual monitor resolution issue. |
| 14:49.46 | keyra | Elmo40, memo for you: <Thanatermesis/#elive/2018-07-27 18:31> solved dpi stuff, btw dont use memoserv, use !memo Thanatermesis something |
| 14:50.04 | Elmo40 | i didnt look through the program enough to realize that i can control each monitor's resolution |
| 14:50.17 | Thanatermesis | good :) |
| 14:50.19 | keyra | :) |
| 14:50.25 | Thanatermesis | so what's remaining? the cpu on the moon? |
| 14:50.27 | Elmo40 | Thanatermesis, how did you solve the 2mm font that you want with any DPI screen? |
| 14:51.23 | Elmo40 | i'll reboot into elive later today. i'll do a full fun of everything. touch all the apps in the menu. move, close, edit files. listen to music, video, read pdf. |
| 14:51.23 | Thanatermesis | Elmo40, there was a limitation in the (other) scaling configuration, so 60 was correct if the scaling were not limited, so i limited also the other one to fit the other limits |
| 14:51.31 | Elmo40 | i'll try to break it. ;-) |
| 14:52.00 | Thanatermesis | Elmo40, good :), if you use persistence make sure to run "apug", and "api laptop-mode-tools" |
| 14:52.27 | Elmo40 | ok, i will. |
| 14:52.32 | Elmo40 | first thing, right? |
| 14:52.34 | Elmo40 | then reboot? |
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| 14:52.51 | Thanatermesis | nope, first reboot in persistence and then update (and restart to a new desktop configuration) |
| 14:53.04 | Thanatermesis | persistence changes are recorded after the first "new" boot |
| 14:53.07 | keyra | Thanatermesis ping, somebody needs you |
| 14:53.11 | Thanatermesis | keyra, blalbalblallblal |
| 14:53.43 | Elmo40 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:53.48 | Elmo40 | or grub line? |
| 14:54.05 | Thanatermesis | these are going to be the last tests, will build a new 2.9.99 to make it public and then 3.0 can be released after a few days :) |
| 14:54.15 | Elmo40 | is grub still edited by the menu.lst? or sometihng different now? |
| 14:54.19 | Thanatermesis | api is apt-get install |
| 14:54.21 | Thanatermesis | shortcut alias |
| 14:54.22 | keyra | how to get free invitations: http://www.elivecd.org/codes |
| 14:54.25 | keyra | not here! in your terminal |
| 14:54.32 | Elmo40 | k |
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| 14:56.28 | keyra | to upgrade your elive system manually you can run the command "apug" or "elive-upgrader --upgrade", but the system will already run elive-upgrader from time to time so do not care |
| 14:56.31 | keyra | yepee! fresh packages uploaded! yummy yummy :D |
| 14:57.33 | Elmo40 | i do want to edit the grub menu |
| 14:57.37 | Elmo40 | how can i do this? |
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| 15:33.29 | Thanatermesis | o/ AlexAnteMachina |
| 15:33.31 | keyra | hi! |
| 15:33.32 | Thanatermesis | long time! :) |
| 15:33.34 | keyra | :) |
| 15:33.56 | Thanatermesis | !memo Elmo40 what you exactly want to do with grub menu? let me understand that |
| 15:33.56 | keyra | Ok, I'll notify Elmo40 when I see him/her around! |
| 15:34.36 | Thanatermesis | brb, testing nvidia drivers time |
| 15:35.56 | AlexAnteMachina | hi Thana |
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| 15:55.49 | AlexAnteMachina | hi Thanatermesis |
| 15:59.46 | Thanatermesis | how are you AlexAnteMachina ? :) |
| 15:59.48 | keyra | very good, thx :) |
| 15:59.50 | keyra | :) |
| 16:00.08 | AlexAnteMachina | fine thanks |
| 16:00.17 | AlexAnteMachina | you? |
| 16:00.38 | AlexAnteMachina | .. why is keyra answering for me? |
| 16:01.13 | Thanatermesis | she likes to be the center of attention :) |
| 16:01.21 | Thanatermesis | not bad, a bit sick these days |
| 16:02.47 | AlexAnteMachina | afaik I've once corrected keyras database... there was nothing that would suggest this kind of behaviour |
| 16:02.52 | keyra | my database is on the server, if you want massive editing ask Thana for it |
| 16:03.20 | AlexAnteMachina | remembers THIS! |
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| 16:17.29 | Thanatermesis | AlexAnteMachina, that database changed a lot since that time! |
| 16:17.43 | Thanatermesis | she has new many knonwledge and updates added |
| 16:18.20 | Elmoooo | hi |
| 16:18.21 | keyra | hi there |
| 16:18.29 | AlexAnteMachina | kay |
| 16:18.35 | Elmoooo | persistence is annoyingly slow when encrypted |
| 16:18.37 | Thanatermesis | fixed keyra very good, thx |
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| 16:18.59 | Thanatermesis | Elmoooo, is this a slow machine? |
| 16:19.14 | Thanatermesis | Elmoooo, it works good on fast machines & fast usb (didn't tested with encryption) |
| 16:19.16 | Elmoooo | i5 quad core |
| 16:19.22 | Thanatermesis | Elmoooo, what is your statistics speed for the persistence? |
| 16:19.29 | Thanatermesis | hum |
| 16:19.33 | Thanatermesis | and usb speed? |
| 16:19.45 | Elmoooo | you need to test encryption |
| 16:19.58 | Elmoooo | ThinkPad t510 |
| 16:20.15 | Elmoooo | USB 2, most likely |
| 16:20.27 | Elmoooo | brand new USB stick |
| 16:20.43 | Elmoooo | but it was hanging on samba. |
| 16:23.35 | Elmoooo | what is nmbd? |
| 16:27.16 | Elmoooo | Thanatermesis: why is e17-conf being down graded? |
| 16:28.47 | Elmoooo | wow. updating takes a while |
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| 16:28.49 | keyra | woooha! |
| 16:28.51 | Elmoooo | must be the encryption |
| 16:30.03 | Elmoooo | ok. dual monitor of different resolution isn't working too well |
| 16:30.43 | Elmoooo | i try to drag a program over, it is too large. when I minimize it goes away but when I maximize it returns to the first screen |
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| 16:31.12 | keyra | welcome to Elive, Elive_user_en_97! =) |
| 16:31.18 | keyra | how is your experience with Elive so far? any suggestion or issue to report us? your feedbacks are important for improve Elive for everybody! try also the new amazing forums! https://forum.elivelinux.org |
| 16:33.10 | elmooo | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:33.41 | elmooo | i clearly dont use that command very often... |
| 16:34.16 | elmooo | holy crap. updating takes FOREVER with encrypted drive! |
| 16:38.05 | Thanatermesis | <Elmoooo> brand new USB stick |
| 16:38.07 | Thanatermesis | which brand? |
| 16:38.26 | Thanatermesis | anyways... tell me the speed statistics provided by the persistence statistics, elmooo, thats the only thing that matters :) |
| 16:38.28 | keyra | :) |
| 16:38.38 | Thanatermesis | <Elmoooo> but it was hanging on samba. |
| 16:38.42 | Thanatermesis | in shutdown? mmh... |
| 16:38.56 | Thanatermesis | <Elmoooo> Thanatermesis: why is e17-conf being down graded? |
| 16:38.58 | elmooo | no, hanging on boot. |
| 16:39.00 | Thanatermesis | ignore the word "down" :) |
| 16:39.01 | keyra | Thanatermesis ping, somebody needs you |
| 16:39.18 | elmooo | how do i find these speed stats? |
| 16:39.33 | Thanatermesis | <Elmoooo> i try to drag a program over, it is too large. when I minimize it goes away but when I maximize it returns to the first screen |
| 16:39.41 | Thanatermesis | mmmh, that can be due to the ibox gadget, i must try that |
| 16:39.43 | elmooo | how do i display the output of /exec on xchat? |
| 16:40.16 | Thanatermesis | <elmooo> how do i find these speed stats? |
| 16:40.22 | Thanatermesis | everytime you start with persistence, it shows up |
| 16:40.29 | elmooo | i didnt notice |
| 16:40.34 | elmooo | where does it show up? |
| 16:40.36 | Thanatermesis | or run persistence-statistics |
| 16:40.54 | Thanatermesis | elmooo, output? just copy paste as keyra says |
| 16:41.04 | Thanatermesis | o/ jfbourdeau :) |
| 16:41.08 | keyra | hi! |
| 16:41.10 | keyra | to easly copy and paste text you can select it with the mouse and paste it with the middle-button of your mouse, see the help in your terminal for more info, try also ctrl + shift + c/v to copy-paste, you don't have middle click try to press both buttons at the same time, or shift + insert! |
| 16:41.35 | elmooo | there is no output for persistence-statistics |
| 16:41.48 | Thanatermesis | elmooo, you have removed it? :) |
| 16:41.58 | Thanatermesis | rm -f /etc/default/persistence* |
| 16:42.10 | elmooo | i need to remove it? |
| 16:42.17 | Thanatermesis | yes, better |
| 16:42.21 | Thanatermesis | so will make new statistics |
| 16:42.38 | jfbourdeau | hi |
| 16:42.40 | keyra | hi there |
| 16:43.19 | Thanatermesis | elmooo, you have this file? /etc/xdg/autostart/elive-persistence-statistics.desktop |
| 16:43.21 | elmooo | ok, removed |
| 16:43.24 | Thanatermesis | jfbourdeau, how are you? :) |
| 16:43.27 | elmooo | now reboot again? |
| 16:43.31 | Thanatermesis | elmooo, you have this file? /etc/xdg/autostart/elive-persistence-statistics.desktop |
| 16:43.34 | jfbourdeau | Well tks... you better ? |
| 16:43.47 | Thanatermesis | jfbourdeau, just a bit better :), tmorrow maybe more :D |
| 16:43.51 | elmooo | yes |
| 16:43.57 | jfbourdeau | Good |
| 16:44.25 | Thanatermesis | elmooo, mmh yes reboot, in fact i think that you need to wait 5 minutes that they shows up |
| 16:44.32 | Thanatermesis | 5 min after desktop run |
| 16:45.45 | elmooo | Thanatermesis, https://paste.debian.net/1035567/ |
| 16:46.24 | Thanatermesis | elmooo, yeah good, reboot and wait 5 min that statistics show |
| 16:46.51 | jfbourdeau | got some work to do on my computer but if you need me to test someting today, I have some free time available ... pm and this evening ( 12h46 pm here ) |
| 16:47.42 | Thanatermesis | jfbourdeau, elmooo said that he has found some "not good things" working on multiple screens |
| 16:47.52 | Thanatermesis | we are checking this a bit more... |
| 16:47.55 | jfbourdeau | ok |
| 16:48.03 | Thanatermesis | brb, will go for the second test of nvidia & persistence, back in 10 min |
| 16:48.31 | elmooo | i hate how he sets up locales. |
| 16:48.39 | elmooo | 3 versions of french?? wtf for? |
| 16:49.05 | jfbourdeau | lol |
| 16:49.26 | jfbourdeau | THink most OS do have French France, French Canada |
| 16:49.37 | jfbourdeau | as for a 3rd one.... not sure |
| 16:50.30 | elmooo | belgium, i think |
| 16:50.35 | elmooo | or swiss. i forget |
| 16:50.41 | elmooo | and 3 or 4 englishes@ |
| 16:50.43 | elmooo | ! |
| 16:50.51 | elmooo | uk, australia, canada, us... |
| 16:50.52 | jfbourdeau | :-) |
| 16:50.53 | elmooo | so silly |
| 16:51.06 | elmooo | i will also reboot. |
| 16:51.09 | elmooo | https://paste.debian.net/1035568/ |
| 16:51.17 | elmooo | this is my USB list if he wants to know. |
| 16:51.23 | jfbourdeau | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:53.59 | Elmoooo | I'm still on my other device |
| 16:54.04 | Elmoooo | but not with Elive |
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| 16:54.21 | jfbourdeau | what r u running on that other device ? |
| 17:02.15 | Elmoooo | my phone |
| 17:02.20 | Elmoooo | Android |
| 17:02.34 | Elmoooo | ð |
| 17:07.00 | Thanatermesis | hum, these nvidia things needs a better test in persistence mode... |
| 17:08.15 | jfbourdeau | I have another desktop PC, IBM... I will check which card I have on it ( it is connected to my TV ) |
| 17:08.19 | Elmoooo | Thanatermesis: how do I edit the grub menu? |
| 17:08.36 | Thanatermesis | Elmoooo, what you need for grub? |
| 17:08.46 | Elmoooo | everything |
| 17:08.52 | Elmoooo | :-) |
| 17:08.52 | Thanatermesis | like? :) |
| 17:08.55 | keyra | :) |
| 17:09.02 | Thanatermesis | let me understand to see what is the better option |
| 17:09.20 | Elmoooo | i want to change my name. it auto boots into Elive user |
| 17:09.23 | keyra | Thanatermesis ping, somebody needs you |
| 17:09.46 | Thanatermesis | Elmoooo, this is not tested, i cannot guaratee you that it wont give you a ton of errors :) |
| 17:09.47 | Elmoooo | i think you should have a user name question in the very beginning... |
| 17:10.13 | Thanatermesis | theres probably eliveuser names statically set, i should made the scripts more dynamic for that to work correctly |
| 17:10.15 | Thanatermesis | BUT |
| 17:10.24 | Thanatermesis | you can create a new user in your persistence and switch to it |
| 17:10.27 | Elmoooo | especially with USB image. to add user name instead is eliveuser |
| 17:10.28 | Thanatermesis | this is what i suggest |
| 17:10.35 | Thanatermesis | eliveuser is a dynamic user |
| 17:11.32 | Thanatermesis | better to simply create an user that you want to use and switch to it, booting in a different one can lead to bugs |
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| 17:12.43 | Elmoooo | damn bugs... why are there still user name bugs? |
| 17:12.51 | keyra | thanks for reporting the issue, by knowing it we can solve the problem for you and for everybody else affected, please use the BTS for that: http://bugs.elivecd.org |
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| 17:13.24 | keyra | welcome to Elive, Elive_user_en_97! =) |
| 17:13.30 | keyra | how is your experience with Elive so far? any suggestion or issue to report us? your feedbacks are important for improve Elive for everybody! try also the new amazing forums! https://forum.elivelinux.org |
| 17:13.46 | elm00 | http://main.elivecd.org/ss/e-5b5ca4260b6065.77474856.jpg |
| 17:13.50 | elm00 | something broke! |
| 17:13.58 | elm00 | ecomorph... |
| 17:14.10 | Thanatermesis | because the default user is a dynamic user created on the fly, things can be removed/added/etc, not meant to be a "static user" |
| 17:14.19 | elm00 | i can not place apps on the second screen |
| 17:14.51 | elm00 | so... in persistence, how do i make it boot to login screen |
| 17:15.05 | elm00 | if i want 2 users to use the USB key |
| 17:15.17 | elm00 | because right now it boots to eliveuser, no login screen |
| 17:15.35 | Thanatermesis | mmmh |
| 17:15.46 | Thanatermesis | i assume that this is not supported |
| 17:15.54 | Thanatermesis | and im not going to implement this feature before 3.0 :) |
| 17:15.56 | keyra | :) |
| 17:16.00 | Thanatermesis | otherwise, massive breakages coming lol |
| 17:16.03 | Thanatermesis | i can look to that after 3.0 |
| 17:16.13 | Thanatermesis | elm00, question: why not use eliveuser as "your user" ? |
| 17:16.18 | Thanatermesis | for persistence mode, i mean |
| 17:16.30 | elm00 | http://main.elivecd.org/ss/e-5b5ca4d3e06803.68017301.jpg |
| 17:16.34 | elm00 | take a look |
| 17:16.58 | elm00 | something fishy about multiple screens and virtual desktops |
| 17:17.35 | Thanatermesis | elm00, i would speculate that all these problems that you have with multiple screens are ALL caused by ecomorph |
| 17:17.41 | elm00 | when i switch to middle virtual, the program in the first screen(in third virtual desktop) goes into the second screen(into second virtual desktop) |
| 17:17.45 | Thanatermesis | elm00, try to disable it to see if all of them are gone :) |
| 17:17.54 | Thanatermesis | in such case, i should blacklist ecomorph for multiple screens |
| 17:17.57 | Thanatermesis | by default |
| 17:18.51 | Elmoooo | I disabled but it must be sitting there and thinking |
| 17:19.01 | Elmoooo | screen is frozen again |
| 17:19.20 | Elmoooo | I want to think it is encrypted USB issue |
| 17:19.32 | Thanatermesis | elm00, usb speeds statistics? |
| 17:20.00 | Thanatermesis | restart the graphical system just to make sure that no ecomorph thingies remains |
| 17:24.44 | Elmoooo | i can't |
| 17:24.47 | Elmoooo | it is frozen |
| 17:25.03 | Thanatermesis | then reboot |
| 17:25.04 | Elmoooo | i went to turn off ecomorph |
| 17:25.21 | Elmoooo | then restart enlightenment |
| 17:25.26 | Elmoooo | then froze |
| 17:25.28 | keyra | hit 'ctrl + alt + end' for reload your desktop, or use the menu Enlightenment -> restart |
| 17:25.34 | Thanatermesis | mmmh |
| 17:25.40 | Elmoooo | but xchat is still updating |
| 17:25.47 | Elmoooo | i see my messages |
| 17:25.52 | Elmoooo | this is weird |
| 17:26.15 | Elmoooo | what kills x? |
| 17:26.36 | Thanatermesis | you want a freaking good kill? :) |
| 17:26.38 | keyra | :) |
| 17:26.49 | Elmoooo | other than unplug... |
| 17:26.52 | Thanatermesis | altgr + imprsys + k |
| 17:27.10 | Elmoooo | i don't know those keys |
| 17:27.17 | Thanatermesis | kernel magic keys :) |
| 17:27.20 | Thanatermesis | kills all that you have on that tty |
| 17:27.39 | Elmoooo | ok. killed |
| 17:27.46 | Thanatermesis | seems like it worked lol |
| 17:28.19 | Elmoooo | that is a nice command!! |
| 17:28.47 | Thanatermesis | altgr + imprsys + h in a console to se all the available ones ;) |
| 17:29.07 | Thanatermesis | if you want a very good tip when your computer really frozes, use S, then U, then B |
| 17:29.15 | Thanatermesis | (force sync, umount, reboot) |
| 17:29.29 | Thanatermesis | that wont break your filesystems data |
| 17:29.37 | Elmoooo | nice! |
| 17:30.20 | Elmoooo | give a little minute in between s u b? |
| 17:30.49 | Thanatermesis | just a few seconds |
| 17:31.00 | Thanatermesis | you can also check the hard disk LEDs |
| 17:39.14 | Elmoooo | apparently the computer only boots from one USB |
| 17:39.26 | keyra | use "usb-bootable-elive" tool to automatically download and record your USB with Elive. If you are in other Linux* use "dd" from a terminal or the Usb-ImageWriter tool, if you are in Windows use UsbWriter, please do not use other tools than the suggested ones |
| 17:39.30 | Elmoooo | that is new for me! |
| 17:39.35 | Thanatermesis | for me too :/ |
| 17:39.38 | keyra | :| |
| 17:39.44 | Thanatermesis | what a crappy hardwares |
| 17:39.59 | Elmoooo | t510? |
| 17:40.02 | Elmoooo | no sir |
| 17:40.13 | Elmoooo | but it used to boot from any of them! |
| 17:40.31 | Elmoooo | i don't know why it only finds the USB on one now... |
| 17:40.47 | Thanatermesis | because crappy hardware |
| 17:40.53 | Thanatermesis | i mean, no sense to put this limit |
| 17:40.55 | Thanatermesis | it increases confusing |
| 17:40.58 | Elmoooo | ok. just entered password for encryption |
| 17:41.05 | Elmoooo | let's time the boot up |
| 17:41.21 | Elmoooo | it used to boot from any USB |
| 17:42.15 | Elmoooo | why start geolocation? |
| 17:42.27 | Thanatermesis | langauges prefoncfiguations |
| 17:42.35 | Elmoooo | wow. fast this time!! |
| 17:42.37 | keyra | woooha! |
| 17:42.42 | Thanatermesis | hum... |
| 17:42.51 | Elmoooo | 1.75 minutes |
| 17:42.54 | Thanatermesis | persistence is pretty slow only in slow usbs |
| 17:43.14 | Elmoooo | not after you dpkg-reconfigure locales!! |
| 17:43.56 | Thanatermesis | thats fast in Elive :) |
| 17:43.58 | keyra | :) |
| 17:44.21 | Elmoooo | i removed everything except en_us-ut8 |
| 17:44.35 | Thanatermesis | lol you dont need to touch that |
| 17:44.37 | Thanatermesis | it is fast in Elive |
| 17:44.39 | Thanatermesis | already manages it |
| 17:44.42 | Elmoooo | why do you select 4 English? and 3 French?? |
| 17:44.53 | Thanatermesis | mmh, and you dont need to reconfigure locales |
| 17:45.00 | Thanatermesis | the system shows YOUR language, just use it |
| 17:45.02 | Thanatermesis | no dpkg |
| 17:45.05 | Elmoooo | screen isn't Auto selecting now... |
| 17:45.15 | Elmoooo | what is the program to make dual monitor settings? |
| 17:45.18 | Thanatermesis | dpkg wont include all the integration to support hte languages for you |
| 17:45.51 | Thanatermesis | <Elmoooo> screen isn't Auto selecting now... |
| 17:45.53 | Thanatermesis | you have it connected ? |
| 17:46.53 | Elmoooo | ugh... why can't I alt+middle click to edit program sizes? |
| 17:46.58 | keyra | if you cannot middle-click, press both 2-unique buttons of your mouse at the same time |
| 17:47.14 | Thanatermesis | you mean resize? |
| 17:47.16 | Elmoooo | you used to be able to resize |
| 17:47.23 | Thanatermesis | this hotkey has been changed because it conflicts with some apps |
| 17:47.24 | Elmoooo | with alt+middle button |
| 17:47.28 | Thanatermesis | like gimp if i remember correctly |
| 17:47.34 | Elmoooo | screw gimp |
| 17:47.34 | Thanatermesis | so losing features in gimp having this hotkey |
| 17:47.40 | Thanatermesis | use Win instead of Alt for most of the things now |
| 17:47.49 | Thanatermesis | Win is correct key for OS things |
| 17:48.12 | Thanatermesis | reads gimp users saying "screw elive" to Elmoooo |
| 17:48.35 | Elmoooo | apt-get remove gimp* --purge |
| 17:49.14 | Elmoooo | what is the screen program? |
| 17:50.40 | Thanatermesis | you have the extra screen connected ? Elmoooo |
| 17:51.30 | Thanatermesis | needs to know details to understand what is happening |
| 17:51.42 | Elmoooo | i found in |
| 17:51.43 | Elmoooo | it |
| 17:52.00 | Thanatermesis | Elmoooo, but you had the screen connected before to start the graphical system ? |
| 17:52.07 | Elmoooo | i think when i did the kernel k command, it broke the GUI |
| 17:52.15 | Elmoooo | never removed |
| 17:52.41 | Thanatermesis | mmmmh... |
| 17:52.47 | Thanatermesis | ok so if i rememeber correctly: |
| 17:53.05 | Thanatermesis | * when configuring, it asks you if you want to use this configuration in every Elive boot |
| 17:53.06 | Thanatermesis | so: |
| 17:53.17 | Elmoooo | I said yes |
| 17:53.28 | Thanatermesis | * when starting your new (now) desktop, it should have LOADED your multiscreens configuration, if both of your screens are detected |
| 17:53.44 | Thanatermesis | your xinerama/multiscreens was not loaded when desktop started Elmoooo ? |
| 17:54.10 | Elmoooo | no it was not |
| 17:54.25 | Elmoooo | i even saved the configuration file from before |
| 17:54.29 | Elmoooo | it didn't auto load it |
| 17:54.41 | Thanatermesis | hum, that sounds like a bug |
| 17:54.45 | Thanatermesis | notes TODO... |
| 17:55.25 | Elmoooo | I'll boot again |
| 17:55.27 | Elmoooo | see what happens |
| 17:55.39 | Thanatermesis | Elmoooo, |
| 17:55.58 | Thanatermesis | your new/now desktop run included an "already saved desktop" or it was a new desktop configuraiton ? |
| 17:56.11 | Elmoooo | oh, wow. non of my settings saved |
| 17:56.14 | keyra | woooha! |
| 17:56.31 | Thanatermesis | which settings? |
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| 17:57.01 | keyra | welcome to Elive, elm00! =) |
| 17:57.07 | keyra | how is your experience with Elive so far? any suggestion or issue to report us? your feedbacks are important for improve Elive for everybody! try also the new amazing forums! https://forum.elivelinux.org |
| 17:57.16 | elm00 | i had changed virtual deskjtop to only 3 |
| 17:57.26 | elm00 | that changed back to default |
| 17:57.44 | Thanatermesis | i think that this app doesnt save your conf |
| 17:57.50 | Thanatermesis | it is saved to a file, but the app doesnt read it |
| 17:57.57 | Thanatermesis | if im not wrong |
| 17:58.08 | elm00 | no no, it boot twice before as my saved settings |
| 17:58.18 | elm00 | i think it is the kernel+k command i did |
| 17:58.20 | elm00 | something happened |
| 17:58.27 | Thanatermesis | who knows... |
| 17:58.33 | Thanatermesis | try to reboot and see if multiscreens are loaded |
| 17:58.59 | Thanatermesis | elm00, what more is in the todo? slow encripted persistence experience, mmmh waht more? |
| 17:59.02 | elm00 | why cant i apt-get install programs and find them in the terminal? |
| 17:59.06 | keyra | how to get free invitations: http://www.elivecd.org/codes |
| 17:59.08 | elm00 | i installed irssi |
| 17:59.09 | keyra | Thanatermesis ping, somebody needs you |
| 17:59.14 | elm00 | i type irssi and it isnt there. it shows _irssi |
| 17:59.16 | elm00 | and wont run |
| 17:59.20 | Thanatermesis | elm00, you need a new zsh conf, or just run XX |
| 17:59.26 | Thanatermesis | caches |
| 17:59.38 | elm00 | how to do that? |
| 17:59.40 | Thanatermesis | elm00, when says "correct to _something", say no |
| 18:00.18 | elm00 | it says it is not installed |
| 18:01.21 | Thanatermesis | api irssi ; irssi |
| 18:01.24 | keyra | not here! in your terminal |
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| 18:01.50 | elm00 | but i installed it already |
| 18:02.23 | Thanatermesis | so run irssi |
| 18:02.28 | Thanatermesis | open a new terminal |
| 18:05.09 | elm00 | libxmmsclient6: subprocess installed post-removal script returned error exit status 135 |
| 18:05.13 | elm00 | problem |
| 18:05.28 | Thanatermesis | xmms ? |
| 18:05.28 | elm00 | dpkg fucked up... libxmms wont remove and now NOTHING happens |
| 18:05.33 | Thanatermesis | apif |
| 18:06.00 | elm00 | i told you. |
| 18:06.02 | elm00 | doesnt work |
| 18:06.14 | Thanatermesis | complain to the xmms packager :) |
| 18:06.17 | keyra | :) |
| 18:06.17 | elm00 | do you have a fresh 2.9.99 up yet? |
| 18:06.17 | Thanatermesis | ok not a good idea... |
| 18:06.29 | Thanatermesis | nope, will build it after to fix the nvidia problems here |
| 18:06.34 | elm00 | ok |
| 18:06.47 | Thanatermesis | elm00, hwich xmms package you tried to install? i will test it here |
| 18:06.49 | keyra | Thanatermesis ping |
| 18:06.49 | elm00 | can i manually fix this? |
| 18:07.03 | elm00 | xmms2 |
| 18:07.09 | elm00 | all i did was apt-get install xmms2 |
| 18:07.12 | keyra | how to get free invitations: http://www.elivecd.org/codes |
| 18:07.26 | Thanatermesis | if apif not works... then is not very easy, you need to edit the postcript package file |
| 18:07.46 | Thanatermesis | i will check what is doing this package later... |
| 18:08.14 | Thanatermesis | elm00, when persistence, to restart from scratch, you can just remove the persistence partition (and then you can create it again) |
| 18:08.15 | elm00 | now i can not install anything! |
| 18:08.28 | Thanatermesis | well, you can mount the partition and delete all the dirs, except the main conf file |
| 18:08.52 | elm00 | /dev/mapper/sdb3 120399020 410640 113849348 1% /lib/live/mount/persistence/sdb3 |
| 18:08.53 | Thanatermesis | give me a minute, i check that xmms thing |
| 18:08.54 | elm00 | this one? |
| 18:09.30 | Thanatermesis | elm00, you have also audacious in elive, dont like it ? (instead of xmms) |
| 18:09.50 | Thanatermesis | Elmoooo, yes, but you need to remove files outside the booted system |
| 18:10.04 | Elmoooo | which files? |
| 18:10.19 | Thanatermesis | <Thanatermesis> well, you can mount the partition and delete all the dirs, except the main conf file |
| 18:10.33 | Thanatermesis | elm00, you have also audacious in elive, dont like it ? (instead of xmms) Elmoooo |
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| 18:11.17 | keyra | welcome to Elive, Elive_user_en_97! =) |
| 18:11.20 | Elive_user_en_97 | http://main.elivecd.org/ss/e-5b5cb1b38a22e4.34847680.jpg |
| 18:11.23 | keyra | how is your experience with Elive so far? any suggestion or issue to report us? your feedbacks are important for improve Elive for everybody! try also the new amazing forums! https://forum.elivelinux.org |
| 18:11.23 | Elive_user_en_97 | another glitch |
| 18:11.41 | Elive_user_en_97 | audacity opened, started playing automatically a stream..... |
| 18:11.57 | Elive_user_en_97 | i tried to move away from the terminal and get this beautiful mess... |
| 18:12.25 | Elive_user_en_97 | i forogt about audacious |
| 18:12.53 | Thanatermesis | Elive_user_en_97, i assume that you disabled ecomorph in multiscreens :) |
| 18:12.53 | Elive_user_en_97 | i can not even move audacious |
| 18:12.55 | keyra | :) |
| 18:13.01 | Elive_user_en_97 | no ecomorph |
| 18:13.01 | Elive_user_en_97 | i dont think. |
| 18:13.13 | Thanatermesis | 6<Thanatermesis6> elm00, i would speculate that all these problems that you have with multiple screens are ALL caused by ecomorph |
| 18:13.24 | Thanatermesis | see the emodules loaded |
| 18:13.29 | Thanatermesis | this graphs looks very ecomorph |
| 18:13.36 | Elive_user_en_97 | ok, closed ecomorph |
| 18:13.43 | Elive_user_en_97 | yup |
| 18:13.48 | Elive_user_en_97 | that breaks everything... LoL |
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| 18:14.57 | Elmoooo | no ecomorph with multi monitor... so sad |
| 18:17.00 | Thana` | well, you can try to fix the code if you want ) |
| 18:17.02 | Thana` | :) |
| 18:17.05 | Thana` | to make it work good |
| 18:17.07 | Thana` | its on github |
| 18:17.10 | keyra | fuck github! http://www.elivecd.org/news/rip-github-microsoft |
| 18:17.19 | Thana` | emodule-ecomorph & ecomp (compiz fork) |
| 18:25.44 | Thana` | Elmoooo, im going to disable by default ecomorph in multiscreens, can you confirm that it works good now? (so, the cause was ecomorph with multiscreens) |
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| 18:47.47 | keyra | welcome to Elive, Elive_user_en_16! =) |
| 18:47.53 | keyra | how is your experience with Elive so far? any suggestion or issue to report us? your feedbacks are important for improve Elive for everybody! try also the new amazing forums! https://forum.elivelinux.org |
| 18:48.23 | Thana` | Elmoooo, im going to disable by default ecomorph in multiscreens, can you confirm that it works good now? (so, the cause was ecomorph with multiscreens) |
| 18:48.38 | Thana` | > The module Ecomorph has been deactivated because it doesn't works good with multiple screens. If you want this feature working you can look at the source code in our Github. |
| 18:48.42 | keyra | have you already checked the Elive group in github? |
| 18:48.44 | keyra | fuck github! http://www.elivecd.org/news/rip-github-microsoft |
| 18:51.34 | Thana` | commits the code without waiting the answer of Elmoooo |
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| 18:52.23 | Thana` | !memo Elmo40 i added a check and disable of ecomorph emodule when going to use multiscreens, so we want things working by dfeault for users :), unless you tell me that ecomorph was NOT the cause of the multiscreens problems you found |
| 18:52.24 | keyra | Ok, I'll notify Elmo40 when I see him/her around! |
| 18:52.39 | Thana` | this has been a good catch, no more desktops broken for multiscreened users lol |
| 18:53.14 | Thana` | what more?... |
| 18:53.19 | Thana` | lost in TODO's... |
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| 18:56.06 | Elmoooo | yes. it is ecomorph causing the problem |
| 18:56.22 | Thana` | perfect :) |
| 18:56.24 | keyra | :) |
| 18:56.32 | Thana` | this wont give problems anymore to users with multiscreens |
| 18:56.39 | Thana` | like jfbourdeau O_o |
| 18:56.43 | Thana` | or grottem |
| 18:56.47 | Thana` | or Elmoooo |
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| 18:56.53 | Thana` | im the only to not have multiscreens? lol |
| 18:56.59 | keyra | to upgrade your elive system manually you can run the command "apug" or "elive-upgrader --upgrade", but the system will already run elive-upgrader from time to time so do not care |
| 18:57.02 | keyra | yepee! fresh packages uploaded! yummy yummy :D |
| 18:57.04 | Thana` | had in the past, not anymore working like this |
| 18:57.43 | Thana` | Elmoooo, can you betatest again the other "multiscreen issues" without the ecomorph module?, to see if there's other things to fix |
| 18:57.52 | Elmoooo | does the finger print scanner work for login? |
| 18:58.12 | Thana` | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:58.12 | Thana` | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:58.12 | Thana` | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:58.12 | Thana` | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:58.14 | Thana` | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:58.22 | keyra | mouse? what a stupid name... these devices should have been called something like.. posixy, as a positionator of coordinates X and Y, boicot human stupidity! bots will rule the world! |
| 18:58.46 | Elmoooo | ecomorph is the cause |
| 18:58.59 | Thana` | mmmh, yes i had it configured in my thinkpad, but im not sure that is by default implemented in Elive 3.0 (dont think so) |
| 18:59.22 | Thana` | it is in one of my TODO tasks in one of my huge lists of tasks :), just not wanted to make it for 3.0... otherwise, bottleneck |
| 18:59.43 | Thana` | Elmoooo, of all of these listed reports? no more bugs about multiscreens? |
| 18:59.58 | Elmoooo | I'll test one more time. |
| 19:01.16 | grottem | did some one needed me? |
| 19:01.26 | Elmoooo | everyone! |
| 19:01.30 | Thana` | :) |
| 19:01.33 | keyra | :) |
| 19:07.59 | Elmoooo | I rewrote the USB image |
| 19:08.08 | Thana` | ok |
| 19:08.14 | Elmoooo | I didn't want to deal with that broken libxmms crap |
| 19:08.20 | Thana` | tell me about the speed statistics to know from where is your "slowness" problem with the usb |
| 19:08.23 | keyra | Thanatermesis ping, somebody needs you |
| 19:08.28 | Elmoooo | Thanatermesis: did you test installing xmms2? |
| 19:08.35 | Thana` | ^ i was just going to test it in a virtualmachine Elmoooo :) |
| 19:08.37 | keyra | :) |
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| 19:08.57 | keyra | welcome to Elive, Elive_user_es_51! =) |
| 19:09.03 | keyra | how is your experience with Elive so far? any suggestion or issue to report us? your feedbacks are important for improve Elive for everybody! try also the new amazing forums! https://forum.elivelinux.org |
| 19:09.13 | ThanaVbox | ok so let's see what it does... |
| 19:09.30 | ThanaVbox | hum |
| 19:09.35 | ThanaVbox | it installed correctly here Elmoooo |
| 19:09.40 | ThanaVbox | no problems with "api xmms2" |
| 19:09.45 | Elmoooo | :-| |
| 19:09.48 | ThanaVbox | you should have installed other thing that conflicted that |
| 19:10.27 | Elmoooo | what does "quiet" do in grub menu? |
| 19:10.38 | Thanatermesis | <elm00> libxmmsclient6: subprocess installed post-removal script returned error exit status 135 |
| 19:10.41 | Thanatermesis | let me see that... |
| 19:10.55 | ThanaVbox | Elmoooo, less messages, you can remove that if you like more verbosity |
| 19:11.00 | ThanaVbox | is more friendly for users |
| 19:11.07 | ThanaVbox | users are scared of letters scrolling in black screens |
| 19:11.08 | ThanaVbox | lol |
| 19:11.54 | ThanaVbox | Elmoooo, nothing, removing that libxmms... package no problem too, like i said, you should have installed something "extra" that broke the xmms thingy |
| 19:11.56 | keyra | Thanatermesis ping |
| 19:12.06 | ThanaVbox | thinks that Elmoooo did "apt-get install *" |
| 19:12.09 | keyra | how to get free invitations: http://www.elivecd.org/codes |
| 19:12.27 | Thana` | keyra, you are going to have these invitations thing removed |
| 19:12.31 | Elmoooo | if I remove the username from the grub menu, it will boot to login screen? |
| 19:12.36 | grottem | Thanatermesis, i'm going to test the external screen tomorrow |
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| 19:13.55 | Thana` | Elmoooo, i dont think so, but as i have said, the system is not ready to work this way |
| 19:14.03 | Thana` | Elmoooo, so you will lead to many bugs |
| 19:14.08 | Elmoooo | until you install, right? |
| 19:14.24 | Thana` | yeah, installing can allow you to customize in any sense, or have any users |
| 19:14.30 | Elmoooo | ok |
| 19:14.55 | Elmoooo | what is geolocation for? |
| 19:15.04 | Thana` | for live mode, persistence or not, the best is to create an user, and switch to it (you can keep both grahpical user sessions running at the same time, and switchable, feature in the applications menu) |
| 19:15.09 | keyra | live mode means the not-installed Elive, so Elive booted from a USB or DVD |
| 19:15.19 | jfbourdeau | Is it normal when bootin with usb stick, with persistence, it is as lot slower ? NO encrpytion, fast USB stick 100MB/sec on recent HP desktop i7 16 gig RAM |
| 19:15.31 | keyra | use "usb-bootable-elive" tool to automatically download and record your USB with Elive. If you are in other Linux* use "dd" from a terminal or the Usb-ImageWriter tool, if you are in Windows use UsbWriter, please do not use other tools than the suggested ones |
| 19:15.38 | Thana` | grottem, make sure to do "apug" before to test anything :), and if persistence: apug, reboot, restart desktop |
| 19:15.40 | jfbourdeau | when not persistent, it is fast |
| 19:15.51 | Thana` | Elmoooo, geolocation is for languages preconfigurations |
| 19:16.12 | grottem | i always apug :D |
| 19:16.16 | Thana` | jfbourdeau, yes, it is normal, BUT with MY usb is VERY FAST |
| 19:16.20 | Thana` | you have the same problem as Elmoooo ^ |
| 19:16.25 | Thana` | i had this problem with my OLD usb |
| 19:16.26 | jfbourdeau | weird |
| 19:16.28 | keyra | thanks for reporting the issue, by knowing it we can solve the problem for you and for everybody else affected, please use the BTS for that: http://bugs.elivecd.org |
| 19:16.28 | keyra | Thanatermesis ping, somebody needs you |
| 19:16.36 | Thana` | but i got a good one now, my previous one broke |
| 19:17.10 | Elmoooo | how to test USB speed? |
| 19:17.13 | Thana` | jfbourdeau, Elmoooo im thinking to whitelist some usb trademarks and if is not the one used, warn the user about a freaking slow experience! |
| 19:17.14 | Thana` | :) |
| 19:17.16 | keyra | :) |
| 19:17.16 | Thana` | what do you think? |
| 19:17.26 | Thana` | its a pita to have this slow persistence experience |
| 19:17.36 | Thana` | Elmoooo, i told you, you have this in the persistence-statistics |
| 19:17.41 | Thana` | at every boot of grahpical session |
| 19:17.50 | jfbourdeau | https://www.kingston.com/datasheets/DTSE9G2_en.pdf |
| 19:17.52 | jfbourdeau | 64 gig |
| 19:18.07 | grottem | i almost always use sandisk |
| 19:18.47 | jfbourdeau | your tool reported I was going a little bit less than half the speed it could go ( 800 MB/sec I think ) amd me under 400MB/sec according to the popup on my screen after booting in Live mode / persistence |
| 19:19.37 | Thana` | jfbourdeau, mmmh, persistence-statistics tool? |
| 19:19.48 | Thana` | 800mb/s ? o_o |
| 19:20.01 | Thana` | confused |
| 19:20.07 | jfbourdeau | I meat after booting a 2nd time ( I didn't know if I had too) in persistrence mode, Elive made some window popup saying |
| 19:20.27 | jfbourdeau | I could go to 800MB/sec in persistence mode and I was at 396 |
| 19:20.33 | jfbourdeau | I met |
| 19:20.54 | jfbourdeau | that window appear automatically |
| 19:21.14 | Thana` | mmmh, jfbourdeau or this was "read" vs "write" speeds? |
| 19:21.38 | jfbourdeau | mhhh will pay more attention to the Information window poping up next time |
| 19:22.03 | Thana` | jfbourdeau, will need to know the read and write speed results by the statistics tool to see why is slow your* persistence exprience |
| 19:22.13 | Thana` | jfbourdeau, try to run: persistence-statistics |
| 19:22.43 | jfbourdeau | ok will do it next time / when booting with the usb |
| 19:22.55 | keyra | use "usb-bootable-elive" tool to automatically download and record your USB with Elive. If you are in other Linux* use "dd" from a terminal or the Usb-ImageWriter tool, if you are in Windows use UsbWriter, please do not use other tools than the suggested ones |
| 19:23.24 | Thana` | lol, the link you give me says 100 mb/s read, 15 mb/s write.... what a difference, so bad |
| 19:23.38 | Thana` | is not easy to find (real) good usb's, that doesn't lie in the specs |
| 19:23.57 | jfbourdeau | usually good one, write speed match read speed ? |
| 19:24.27 | Thana` | btw jfbourdeau grottem Elmoooo, if you want to buy a CHEAP fast usb that works very good (confirmed from my own tests), go for this exact model: https://es.aliexpress.com/item/original-SanDisk-USB3-0-Pen-Drive-Ultra-Flair-PENDRIVE-CZ73-USB-Flash-Drive-64GB-32GB-16GB/32705055461.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.1d6b63c02QCWXA |
| 19:24.38 | jfbourdeau | ok |
| 19:24.45 | Thana` | there's faster ones from sandisk, like "extreme" models, but are more expensive, this works pretty good |
| 19:24.54 | Thana` | <jfbourdeau> usually good one, write speed match read speed ? |
| 19:25.20 | Thana` | not necesarily, but the difference is very different, only the 15% of the speed of reading |
| 19:25.33 | grottem | yeah |
| 19:25.35 | grottem | true |
| 19:25.53 | Thana` | AND, i would bet that the reading speed is NOT 100 Mb/s, not even 80... just because always manufacturers lie on this |
| 19:25.58 | grottem | didn't bought that one :p but also a sandisk i think most of my usb's are |
| 19:26.00 | keyra | :þ |
| 19:26.19 | Thana` | im even cursious to know what persistence-statistics reports, jfbourdeau :) |
| 19:26.21 | keyra | :) |
| 19:26.51 | Thana` | grottem, yeah, they are very good and reliable :), but not all the models are really/enough fast, a little of research is needed |
| 19:27.06 | jfbourdeau | will let you know next time I boot with it |
| 19:27.14 | Thana` | jfbourdeau, ok :) |
| 19:27.29 | Thana` | Elmoooo, have your persistence-statistics speed? |
| 19:28.22 | grottem | Thanatermesis, the latest i bought was a cruzer blade 16gb |
| 19:28.46 | Thana` | jfbourdeau, grottem, Elmoooo: any of you have an ATI/AMD graphic card to test the drivers? |
| 19:28.59 | jfbourdeau | non |
| 19:29.21 | Thana` | thinks that has an old card... somewhere |
| 19:30.08 | grottem | nope sorry |
| 19:30.36 | jfbourdeau | your USB spec : 1. (for 32GB, 64GB & 128GB) Write to drive up to 15x faster than standard USB 2.0 drives (4MB/s); up to 150MB/s read speed. |
| 19:30.52 | jfbourdeau | so it's about 4 times faster than mine in Writing |
| 19:31.39 | Thana` | jfbourdeau, the only and real benchmarks that you can have is the ones provided by Elive in persistence-statistics :) |
| 19:31.41 | keyra | :) |
| 19:31.53 | jfbourdeau | At this price, I almost better buy a cheap 120 GB SSD drive and DUAL boot https://www.amazon.ca/Kingston-Digital-120GB-SA400S37-120G/dp/B01N6JQS8C/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1530716336&sr=1-1&keywords=Crucial+ssd+drive |
| 19:32.03 | Thana` | everything else on the web is blabla marketing, or unknown-author bencharmks |
| 19:32.10 | Thana` | Elive reports the real hardware results |
| 19:32.32 | Thana` | jfbourdeau, i wont believe in kingston :P |
| 19:32.34 | keyra | :þ |
| 19:32.36 | grottem | i know my usb isn't that fast but good enough to install elive |
| 19:32.37 | grottem | :D |
| 19:32.40 | Thana` | jfbourdeau, this is cheap! https://es.aliexpress.com/item/original-SanDisk-USB3-0-Pen-Drive-Ultra-Flair-PENDRIVE-CZ73-USB-Flash-Drive-64GB-32GB-16GB/32705055461.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.1d6b63c02QCWXA |
| 19:32.44 | Thana` | 18 euros, 64 gb |
| 19:32.54 | Thana` | 16 gb, 8 euros |
| 19:32.54 | grottem | Thana`, |
| 19:32.55 | Thana` | lol |
| 19:33.06 | grottem | kingston does have good drives |
| 19:33.17 | Thana` | grottem, yeah, but if you want to use persistence, you really need a not lagged one |
| 19:33.40 | grottem | true but if i want that |
| 19:33.45 | grottem | i buy a usb 3.0 one |
| 19:33.57 | Thana` | yeah, but a confident noe |
| 19:33.58 | Thana` | one* |
| 19:34.02 | Thana` | like sandisk ultra or extreme |
| 19:34.06 | grottem | yeah |
| 19:34.14 | Thana` | otherwise, the experience in persistence is F****** SLOW! |
| 19:34.18 | Thana` | its a painful experience |
| 19:35.03 | grottem | true |
| 19:35.07 | Thana` | im going to show up 10 popups one-after-other to the user saying "this is not an enough fast usb to use persistence! you will suffer! |
| 19:35.29 | Thana` | joking... maybe :) |
| 19:36.04 | Thana` | btw persistence is a great experience, you can keep your USB updated without need to re-write it lol, and has hardware-based profiles for drivers and desktop confgiruations |
| 19:36.23 | Thana` | persistence is a great experience if it works correctly lol |
| 19:36.29 | Thana` | but Elive has many customizations for its persistence |
| 19:36.31 | grottem | thana i won't use that many popups but i you can detect that the users is using persitstence and usb 2.0 or a slow 3.0 then you COULD do that |
| 19:36.42 | Thana` | so unless new bugs found or missing feature, it works amazing good |
| 19:36.59 | Thana` | grottem, yeah, just using the statistics thing |
| 19:37.14 | Thana` | but i would need to know the results of jfbourdeau and Elmoooo to understand better which ones are good or not |
| 19:40.27 | jfbourdeau | wiull do the test in the next few minutes |
| 19:42.17 | Thana` | :) |
| 19:42.19 | keyra | :) |
| 19:45.44 | Elmoooo | ok. if I boot into non persistence, how do I make it persistent? |
| 19:45.58 | Elmoooo | or do i have to boot into persistence only? |
| 19:46.01 | Thanatermesis | only persistence works from persistence boot option |
| 19:46.09 | Thanatermesis | yes |
| 19:46.21 | jfbourdeau | brb |
| 19:47.14 | Elmoooo | and to make a new persistence, I simply delete the partition? |
| 19:47.36 | Thanatermesis | or just delete the contents except the main conf file |
| 19:47.58 | Thanatermesis | which is good because you can mount the partition persistence in any normal system and hack the inside contents, deleting them is like a new clean persistence |
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| 19:49.44 | Elmoooo | but the main conf file only said / Union |
| 19:50.02 | Thana` | yes |
| 19:50.03 | Thana` | that is |
| 19:50.06 | Thana` | dont delete this one |
| 19:50.16 | Thana` | is the only one you need to keep it working and having everything else like new |
| 19:50.41 | Elmoooo | ok |
| 19:51.03 | Thana` | mmmh... could be nice to have an option to "clean all your persistence" stuff, but i dont know where to implement that in the correct way, hum... normal users must create a new usb instead |
| 19:51.45 | Elmoooo | says read only... |
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| 19:51.54 | keyra | to upgrade your elive system manually you can run the command "apug" or "elive-upgrader --upgrade", but the system will already run elive-upgrader from time to time so do not care |
| 19:51.57 | keyra | yepee! fresh packages uploaded! yummy yummy :D |
| 19:52.31 | Thana` | Elmoooo, of course! because you are in live mode! i mean, you are USING the partition |
| 19:52.36 | keyra | live mode means the not-installed Elive, so Elive booted from a USB or DVD |
| 19:52.42 | Elmoooo | i am not using it |
| 19:52.42 | Thana` | you need to do it from another computer, |
| 19:52.45 | Thana` | shutdown, delete, boot |
| 19:52.49 | Elmoooo | i booted into normal |
| 19:53.00 | Elmoooo | it is a partition not mounted |
| 19:53.06 | Elmoooo | then i mounted it. tried to delete |
| 19:53.09 | Elmoooo | says read only |
| 19:53.10 | Thana` | mmh, so you can mount it from thunar? |
| 19:53.20 | Thana` | Elmoooo, because owned by root? |
| 19:53.33 | Elmoooo | i am as root |
| 19:53.59 | Thana` | hum |
| 19:54.11 | Thana` | mabye hte live mode doesnt allows you to edit the partitions |
| 19:54.12 | Thana` | not sure |
| 19:54.21 | Thana` | mabye hte live mode doesnt allows you to edit the partitions of the live usb |
| 19:55.38 | Thanatermesis | more nvidia tests |
| 19:58.25 | Elmoooo | this is no good |
| 19:58.30 | Elmoooo | i can't even format it... |
| 19:58.52 | Thanatermesis | from live mode, is possible that the device is locked for protection |
| 19:58.57 | keyra | live mode means the not-installed Elive, so Elive booted from a USB or DVD |
| 19:59.16 | Thanatermesis | try to plug the usb from another OS |
| 19:59.24 | Thanatermesis | to delete them from that os |
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| 19:59.46 | keyra | welcome to Elive, Elive_user_en_16! =) |
| 19:59.52 | keyra | how is your experience with Elive so far? any suggestion or issue to report us? your feedbacks are important for improve Elive for everybody! try also the new amazing forums! https://forum.elivelinux.org |
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| 20:02.01 | keyra | welcome to Elive, Elive_user_en_16! =) |
| 20:02.07 | keyra | how is your experience with Elive so far? any suggestion or issue to report us? your feedbacks are important for improve Elive for everybody! try also the new amazing forums! https://forum.elivelinux.org |
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| 20:08.41 | keyra | welcome to Elive, Elive_user_en_10! =) |
| 20:08.46 | Elive_user_en_10 | I am back JF |
| 20:08.47 | keyra | how is your experience with Elive so far? any suggestion or issue to report us? your feedbacks are important for improve Elive for everybody! try also the new amazing forums! https://forum.elivelinux.org |
| 20:09.35 | Elive_user_en_10 | when I boot from the usb key, the 2nd choice is persistence. Booting this way was too slow, lag, delay, often time unresponsive... I booted from the same key (that was made peristent) but choosing the 1st option LIVE MODE |
| 20:09.38 | Elive_user_en_10 | now it's fast |
| 20:09.47 | keyra | use "usb-bootable-elive" tool to automatically download and record your USB with Elive. If you are in other Linux* use "dd" from a terminal or the Usb-ImageWriter tool, if you are in Windows use UsbWriter, please do not use other tools than the suggested ones |
| 20:09.52 | keyra | live mode means the not-installed Elive, so Elive booted from a USB or DVD |
| 20:09.53 | Elive_user_en_10 | I will try again booting with option 2 to see if will go better |
| 20:10.10 | Elive_user_en_10 | brb |
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| 20:24.26 | keyra | to upgrade your elive system manually you can run the command "apug" or "elive-upgrader --upgrade", but the system will already run elive-upgrader from time to time so do not care |
| 20:24.29 | keyra | yepee! fresh packages uploaded! yummy yummy :D |
| 20:25.56 | Thanatermesis | good good nvidia good |
| 20:26.45 | Thanatermesis | jfbourdeau, a slow persistence will be always a slow persistence, but i speculate that this is due to the usb -only- |
| 20:26.52 | Thanatermesis | will need to know the statistics results |
| 20:27.00 | Thanatermesis | first statistics may take 5 minutes to appear |
| 20:28.35 | jfbourdeau | sorry was too painfull... Will have to figure out why it is so slow, lag, become unresponsive |
| 20:29.02 | jfbourdeau | once I figureout if it is my hardware, after I run the command, what happen ? some text file is created ? |
| 20:29.08 | jfbourdeau | or some window will popup ? |
| 20:30.12 | Thanatermesis | i speculate that is only because of your usb type |
| 20:30.47 | Thanatermesis | jfbourdeau, yes, a popup will show with the READ and WRITE speed results, probably you need to wait 5 minutes |
| 20:30.58 | jfbourdeau | ok tks |
| 20:31.43 | jfbourdeau | Now trying to back up some SATA drive on a USB 1 TB drive to be able to install Elive on the 2 drive in my Desktop ( SATA drive)... SO instead of booting from a USB stick or using Elive in a VM, I'll boot from that 2nd drive |
| 20:31.56 | keyra | use "usb-bootable-elive" tool to automatically download and record your USB with Elive. If you are in other Linux* use "dd" from a terminal or the Usb-ImageWriter tool, if you are in Windows use UsbWriter, please do not use other tools than the suggested ones |
| 20:37.50 | Thanatermesis | well, experience from installed and live are a bit different :) |
| 20:37.52 | keyra | :) |
| 20:38.25 | Thanatermesis | jfbourdeau, if you have already these backuped data in the external disk i strongly suggest you to use rsync instead (commandline), which simply updates the contents instead of re-putting-everything-again (slow damn slow) |
| 20:39.16 | jfbourdeau | What do you think if I make my SSD (main drive) invisible, I boot with USB stic, install on the SATA and in the future, if I want to book from ELive, I press my computer boot option mode F9 and choose the SATA ? TO aoivd messing up my actual SDD installation ? |
| 20:39.28 | keyra | use "usb-bootable-elive" tool to automatically download and record your USB with Elive. If you are in other Linux* use "dd" from a terminal or the Usb-ImageWriter tool, if you are in Windows use UsbWriter, please do not use other tools than the suggested ones |
| 20:39.51 | Thanatermesis | define "make my disk invisible" |
| 20:40.13 | jfbourdeau | I will play in BIOS to hide it instead of unpluging it... |
| 20:40.25 | Thanatermesis | i dont believe in that :) |
| 20:40.29 | Thanatermesis | bios is only pre-os |
| 20:40.33 | Thanatermesis | post-os can show it |
| 20:40.34 | jfbourdeau | Don't want to mess my boot records / GRUB / whatever you call it |
| 20:40.44 | Thanatermesis | better to unplug it |
| 20:40.46 | jfbourdeau | ok |
| 20:41.57 | Thanatermesis | yes, press F9 to boot from the SATA is a good idea, but hum... well, the installer should be -ready- to correctly boot from the sata AFTER you ahve added a disk which turned then to be the "main one" |
| 20:42.13 | jfbourdeau | exact |
| 20:42.13 | Thanatermesis | i already fixed this multiple times in the past so it should work :), let me know if doesnt |
| 20:42.37 | Thanatermesis | just make sure you have backuped your imoprtant data of the SATA before to install |
| 20:42.43 | jfbourdeau | will let you know how it went |
| 20:42.54 | Thanatermesis | jfbourdeau, are you in persistence mode now? |
| 20:43.07 | jfbourdeau | nope. had to reboot was too painfull |
| 20:43.11 | Thanatermesis | heh |
| 20:43.14 | Thanatermesis | are you in live then ? |
| 20:43.19 | jfbourdeau | nope |
| 20:43.27 | Thanatermesis | mmh, i would need to know the stats of your usb |
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| 20:43.34 | jfbourdeau | backup for 2 hours my stuff, after will install on the SATA drive |
| 20:43.35 | Thanatermesis | benchmarks* |
| 20:43.41 | keyra | to upgrade your elive system manually you can run the command "apug" or "elive-upgrader --upgrade", but the system will already run elive-upgrader from time to time so do not care |
| 20:43.44 | keyra | yepee! fresh packages uploaded! yummy yummy :D |
| 20:43.50 | Thanatermesis | jfbourdeau, did you had anohter backup previously on that disk? |
| 20:43.59 | Thanatermesis | if you have not deleted it, rsync is a better option |
| 20:44.15 | jfbourdeau | Will try again later tonight but it was more than slow / weird... it was becoming unresponsive not sure it is normal |
| 20:45.08 | jfbourdeau | but I I drag the content from the SATA to the USB drive form the GUI ( in ubuntu) isn't it doing rsynch under the hood ? |
| 20:45.19 | jfbourdeau | else I'll stop the transfer and start over |
| 20:45.44 | Thanatermesis | nope, they dont feature rsync at all |
| 20:45.49 | jfbourdeau | ok |
| 20:45.51 | Thanatermesis | and i dont believe in guis for important data lol |
| 20:46.08 | Thanatermesis | they can have silent errors / skippings |
| 20:46.14 | Thanatermesis | but not a common thing :) |
| 20:46.16 | keyra | :) |
| 20:46.24 | Thanatermesis | <jfbourdeau> else I'll stop the transfer and start over |
| 20:46.32 | Thanatermesis | the thing is: do you have an old previous backup there? |
| 20:46.48 | Thanatermesis | if you dont have ancient data, rsync wont benefit you much (except for the reliability stuff) |
| 20:47.07 | jfbourdeau | nope this data was only on that sleeping / no in use HArd Disk ( was disconnected in my Desktop) |
| 20:47.20 | jfbourdeau | I will do the 1st / intial backup of that data. |
| 20:47.32 | Thanatermesis | ok, then do a normal backup |
| 20:47.49 | Elmoooo | why can't i reboot from terminal? |
| 20:47.49 | jfbourdeau | all my important stuff is " online " but I don't want to delete that disk as I am not sure what is good or not... Just being cautious |
| 20:47.51 | Thanatermesis | and in fact, i can show you later how to "update the contents" using rsync so that you can backup easier |
| 20:47.52 | keyra | Thanatermesis ping, somebody needs you |
| 20:47.58 | Thanatermesis | Elmoooo, i can |
| 20:48.27 | Thanatermesis | jfbourdeau, backups is very important, for sure! |
| 20:48.33 | Thanatermesis | and 99% of population dont do any backup |
| 20:48.37 | Thanatermesis | 99.9999999 % |
| 20:48.38 | Elmoooo | I type reboot, says error |
| 20:48.44 | Elmoooo | as root... |
| 20:48.49 | jfbourdeau | yep I use keybase.io ( the 250 gig free I was telling ab out ) for important stuff |
| 20:48.54 | Thanatermesis | Elmoooo, huh? screenshot? |
| 20:49.01 | keyra | use the "impr sys" key of your keyboard to take a screenshot, you can also share it with the obtained web link! |
| 20:49.04 | Thanatermesis | Elmoooo, dmesg | tail | elivepaste |
| 20:49.16 | jfbourdeau | don't laugh at me, now will install a rsyc GUI to backup LOL will be easire that google the syntax |
| 20:49.50 | Thanatermesis | jfbourdeau, the syntax is VERY easy, but you need to be familiarized with commandline, otherwise i dont recommend you it much, these things are dangerous :) |
| 20:51.09 | Thanatermesis | basically is: rsync -avn --delete /foo/bar/dir-orig/ /media/somewhere/dir-backup/ (always put a slash in the end of the destinations or it can be a mess, and remove the option "n" if the result looks satisfactory, so that it runs it for real) |
| 20:51.17 | Thanatermesis | always do rsync with a previous "n" option |
| 20:51.34 | jfbourdeau | http://luckybackup.sourceforge.net/ preparing my backup with a GUI LOL |
| 20:52.40 | jfbourdeau | BAckup in progress ;-) |
| 20:52.45 | Thanatermesis | http://luckybackup.sourceforge.net/features.html |
| 20:52.46 | Thanatermesis | lol |
| 20:54.00 | Thanatermesis | jfbourdeau, looking at the screenshots it looks really good |
| 20:54.07 | keyra | use the "impr sys" key of your keyboard to take a screenshot, you can also share it with the obtained web link! |
| 20:54.22 | Thanatermesis | looks like a mix between rsync and rdiff-backup |
| 20:55.42 | jfbourdeau | I am very famlliar with backup... (windows world.. .Was paid over 100$ / hour to help companies who alread had IT guys... one day I had to tell a guy their Microsoft Exchange ( email) were not good for 2 years !!! I was billing the guy who was reselling me to those guy 75$ / hour.... and the end customer told me. I hhope you found for the price we pay you, I ask, how mych do you pay me, he said 175$ / hour !!! I was selling ( subcontracting for 7 |
| 20:55.45 | jfbourdeau | 5$ / hour)... Adnd the end of the day, the company who hired me and sold me to the end customer had a meeting with me !! I Was hangry LOL |
| 20:56.10 | Elmoooo | Thanatermesis: how do you install the image in Linux? |
| 20:58.53 | Thanatermesis | heh welcome to capitalist world :) |
| 20:58.55 | keyra | :) |
| 20:59.10 | Thanatermesis | Elmoooo, image? install what? |
| 20:59.17 | Thanatermesis | Elive .img -> usb ? use dd |
| 21:00.07 | jfbourdeau | off topic : do you know a good voice recognition software ? SO I can peak instead of typing sometime.. I know some Chrome Add on but looking more for a linux app I could dictate instead of typing ( like here LOL ) |
| 21:00.36 | jfbourdeau | problem with my wrists... Typed to much in my life ;-) |
| 21:01.32 | Elmoooo | try Simon |
| 21:01.40 | jfbourdeau | Tks Elmooo |
| 21:06.42 | Thanatermesis | didnt know simon |
| 21:06.49 | Thanatermesis | but google may the best one |
| 21:07.01 | Thanatermesis | i assume that it has just some AI learned stuff from humans, like their translator |
| 21:07.24 | Thanatermesis | <jfbourdeau> problem with my wrists... Typed to much in my life ;-) |
| 21:07.28 | Thanatermesis | you need an ergodox :) |
| 21:07.30 | keyra | :) |
| 21:07.32 | Thanatermesis | i have this problem too |
| 21:07.40 | keyra | thanks for reporting the issue, by knowing it we can solve the problem for you and for everybody else affected, please use the BTS for that: http://bugs.elivecd.org |
| 21:07.48 | Thanatermesis | so i needed to build an ergodox to stop having wrists problems |
| 21:07.56 | jfbourdeau | within GOogle Chrome I found one in the past working well...but only works well within chrome... DOesn't work within apps other that tne www browser... |
| 21:08.04 | Thanatermesis | the problem is not "we are old", the problem is that the normal keyboards SUCKS and makes you have pain |
| 21:08.11 | jfbourdeau | LOL |
| 21:08.12 | keyra | The first thing to do if anything sucks is to report it to http://bugs.elivecd.org ! Or do you think things might get fixed magically without anybody knowing?? |
| 21:08.38 | Thanatermesis | didnt had more problems after that :) |
| 21:09.21 | Thanatermesis | jfbourdeau, do you feel more pain in the right hand? then the answer is: what you do with your right hand? moving the mouse of course! these are another crappy devices that are made to make pain to humans |
| 21:09.30 | keyra | mouse? what a stupid name... these devices should have been called something like.. posixy, as a positionator of coordinates X and Y, boicot human stupidity! bots will rule the world! |
| 21:09.38 | jfbourdeau | ha ha |
| 21:10.37 | jfbourdeau | bouth some Anker ergonomive mouse the the position of my hand are not natural... And don't like don't weird keyboard that can help ( would need to re learn to type with those Sc Fi Ergonomic keyboards) |
| 21:10.57 | Thanatermesis | jfbourdeau, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f74I7lsyRO4 |
| 21:11.52 | Thanatermesis | this keyboard is programable, you dont need to learn a new keymap, you can set any keymap that you want on it |
| 21:12.15 | jfbourdeau | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:12.15 | Thanatermesis | i have mine pretty well programmed :), lots of fast access to programming chars or sentences |
| 21:12.33 | Thanatermesis | very useful for emails, one key for my full name, another for insert my email, another key for say "have a good day bla bla" |
| 21:12.42 | Thanatermesis | two shots and send email |
| 21:12.54 | Thanatermesis | <jfbourdeau> you don't have a keyboard like this for real !!! ? |
| 21:12.56 | Thanatermesis | yes this is mine |
| 21:13.22 | jfbourdeau | OMG LOL |
| 21:14.06 | Thanatermesis | no one in the market like this :) |
| 21:14.08 | keyra | :) |
| 21:14.17 | Thanatermesis | thats why i needed to build it, instead of just buy it lol |
| 21:14.36 | jfbourdeau | realy cool LOL |
| 21:16.41 | grottem | is back |
| 21:17.26 | Thanatermesis | searching for an ATI card i just found 2 wifi's in tower computers (PCI), one for USB, an USB webcam, and a USB cards reader... not bad! more betatesting hardware support! yepeeeee |
| 21:17.30 | Thanatermesis | dances with keyra |
| 21:17.34 | Thanatermesis | virtually* |
| 21:19.13 | Thanatermesis | jfbourdeau, there's also a hidden awesome keyboard layout that you can switch in your Elive if you want ;) |
| 21:19.16 | Thanatermesis | see this image: https://github.com/Elive/programmerskblayout |
| 21:19.18 | keyra | fuck github! http://www.elivecd.org/news/rip-github-microsoft |
| 21:19.22 | Thanatermesis | maybe grottem interested on that too |
| 21:19.28 | Thanatermesis | the image explains everything from the layout |
| 21:19.56 | Thanatermesis | is extremely useful for programming, because you don't need to access to these ugly-unreachable number keys where you miss the correct one 80% of the times |
| 21:20.17 | Thanatermesis | the special chars are all reachable in your 3 main rows |
| 21:20.18 | grottem | is sleepy and it's hot here so i'm might be interested in what? |
| 21:21.11 | jfbourdeau | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:21.14 | Thanatermesis | Focus goals: |
| 21:21.14 | Thanatermesis | Include a better combination of keys for faster typing with common programming languages |
| 21:21.14 | Thanatermesis | Better access to common programming keys and less typos |
| 21:21.14 | Thanatermesis | Uses the default keyboard layout, so you dont't have to learn a new layout (only since version 6) |
| 21:21.14 | Thanatermesis | Very easy to remember the location of the new characters |
| 21:21.18 | Thanatermesis | --- |
| 21:21.30 | Thanatermesis | grottem, where are you? |
| 21:21.46 | grottem | i'm here :p |
| 21:21.48 | keyra | :þ |
| 21:21.56 | Thanatermesis | pings with geolocation to grottem |
| 21:22.06 | grottem | :p |
| 21:22.07 | Thanatermesis | hot in middle europe at 23:22? |
| 21:22.13 | grottem | yep |
| 21:22.33 | Thanatermesis | you should try mexico :D |
| 21:22.40 | Thanatermesis | same all the year lol |
| 21:22.55 | grottem | i would try mexican food, girls and tecquilla |
| 21:22.57 | jfbourdeau | need to go to my grocery / out of wine for me " every saturday spaghetti / wine night".... ( Back at 5 % LOL ) install of Elive on my old SATA Drive will be for tomorrow I think... The External 1000 GB Drive is an old USB Western DIgital drive so.. Slow... |
| 21:23.24 | jfbourdeau | backup 5 % I was saying |
| 21:24.20 | jfbourdeau | brb if we don't talk gain, good night.... Tomorrow I'll finaly have Elive installed on my HD, not only in a VM or USB stick |
| 21:24.23 | keyra | good night to you too! |
| 21:24.24 | jfbourdeau | take care |
| 21:25.28 | Thanatermesis | my USB stick in this average computer is 29mb/s read, 6.4mb/s write, persistence is just fast as live mode |
| 21:25.33 | keyra | live mode means the not-installed Elive, so Elive booted from a USB or DVD |
| 21:25.48 | Thanatermesis | oh, today is saturday? |
| 21:26.25 | grottem | Thanatermesis, :p marketing :D XD ElivePhone :D |
| 21:26.28 | Thanatermesis | you too jfbourdeau :) have a good night |
| 21:27.43 | Thanatermesis | elivephone? |
| 21:29.13 | Thanatermesis | jfbourdeau, we may have another build of 2.9.99 for tomorrow :) |
| 21:29.15 | keyra | :) |
| 21:29.20 | Thanatermesis | if you wanna install* |
| 21:29.22 | Thanatermesis | check before |
| 21:29.48 | jfbourdeau | what card of video card you were looking for you said ? |
| 21:30.01 | Thanatermesis | ATI |
| 21:30.10 | Thanatermesis | these are the historical known problematic ones |
| 21:30.44 | jfbourdeau | oops though it was Nvidia I have 3 desktop here.... Will take a look later tonight in the 3rd one to see what it is |
| 21:31.11 | jfbourdeau | now going onto a " wine mission " ok for 2.9.99 will install it tomorrow |
| 21:31.39 | Thanatermesis | all nvidias are welcome too :) |
| 21:31.45 | Thanatermesis | if is not too new, it should work |
| 21:32.00 | grottem | is looking for a new phone |
| 21:32.29 | Thanatermesis | grottem, http://main.elivecd.org/tmp/iphone-elive-wallpaper.png |
| 21:33.13 | grottem | dosn't like iphone |
| 21:34.09 | Thanatermesis | i dont know much about phones :) |
| 21:34.18 | Thanatermesis | grottem, do you know that there's a phone that uses enlightenment? |
| 21:34.25 | Thanatermesis | made by samsung |
| 21:34.42 | grottem | really? |
| 21:34.52 | Thanatermesis | yes |
| 21:34.56 | Thanatermesis | runs the Tizen OS |
| 21:35.01 | Thanatermesis | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tizen |
| 21:35.18 | Thanatermesis | and Tizen is entirely made in EFL (enlightenment) libraries , + enlightenment desktop |
| 21:35.48 | Thanatermesis | well, the developers of enlightenment are 90% of them working for tizen now, or for enlightenment, payed by samsung |
| 21:39.57 | grottem | yeah Tizen |
| 21:39.59 | grottem | .. true |
| 21:40.19 | grottem | i tested it time ago (long time) |
| 21:40.48 | grottem | i also attended the premier of sailfish OS |
| 21:41.00 | grottem | and Beta tested FirefoxOS |
| 21:45.48 | Thanatermesis | nice! :) |
| 21:45.51 | keyra | :) |
| 21:45.51 | Thanatermesis | how was tizen? |
| 21:46.18 | Thanatermesis | lots of years ago i tried, i even received the first prototypes, but it was not good/ready yet |
| 21:46.34 | Thanatermesis | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_NX1 |
| 21:46.38 | Thanatermesis | this camera also uses tizen |
| 21:46.49 | Thanatermesis | i was just looking the photos now on flickr... they are amazing! |
| 21:46.51 | Thanatermesis | good camera |
| 21:48.31 | Thanatermesis | and the nx300 too... wow, im in shock, what a good quality |
| 21:48.33 | keyra | woooha! |
| 21:48.37 | Thanatermesis | https://www.flickr.com/search/?text=samsung%20nx300 |
| 21:52.40 | Thanatermesis | really amazing |
| 21:52.52 | Thanatermesis | i have a good middle nikon and im thyinking to resell it to buy this model lol |
| 21:52.57 | grottem | it was ok |
| 21:53.34 | grottem | but not that great |
| 21:54.27 | Thanatermesis | wtf its even cheaper |
| 21:54.45 | Thanatermesis | really? have you see htese photos? loosk very pro and its a small camera! |
| 21:54.52 | Thanatermesis | my nikon b700 is not better |
| 21:55.19 | Thanatermesis | https://www.flickr.com/search/?q=b700 |
| 21:55.20 | Thanatermesis | thats mine |
| 21:55.24 | grottem | like i said it was a year or 2 ago |
| 21:55.39 | grottem | the dev should be better now |
| 21:55.53 | Thanatermesis | oh, you said the tizen, i thought you were talking of th ecamera |
| 21:56.03 | grottem | no tizen |
| 21:56.12 | grottem | brb going to change rooms |
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