| 06:36:57 | jacques | anyone awaker here? |
| 07:18:52 | a7r | yeah. |
| 07:23:18 | digdude | a7r: dude. |
| 07:23:26 | a7r | digdude: Hey. |
| 07:27:04 | digdude | a7r: man this sucks. supershittle van gets here in 2 hrs. no sleep 2nite. |
| 07:27:52 | a7r | digdude: Ugg. |
| 07:28:40 | digdude | a7r: so i'm d/l'ing familiar .4 to my laptop, so I can load it up while i'm on the road next week. |
| 07:28:44 | a7r | nod. |
| 07:28:54 | a7r | I've had decent reports. |
| 07:29:10 | digdude | a7r: if I remember right, I've got the very first usable jffs2 implementation release. something-bleeding. |
| 07:29:18 | a7r | digdude: Nod. |
| 07:29:24 | a7r | you're going to need new everything. |
| 07:29:34 | | rumour has it bootldr is at http://cvs.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/bootldr/ or binaries can be found in the directories under ftp://ftp.handhelds.org/pub/linux/dists or binaries can be found in the directories under ftp://ftp.handhelds.org/pub/linux/dists |
| 07:29:34 | digdude | bootldr? |
| 07:29:41 | a7r | digdude: yup. |
| 07:29:47 | a7r | check out the new installation guide. |
| 07:30:53 | digdude | a7r: i read through it already, but I'll take it with too. |
| 07:31:00 | a7r | digdude: nod. |
| 07:31:28 | digdude | dude, debian just rocks. i didn't have gftp on my laptop just now, so I su'd, installed gftp, and then hit ctrl-d, up-arrow, and it worked. |
| 07:32:02 | a7r | haha |
| 07:42:59 | digdude | a7r: damn this tree is huge. how many packages are there? |
| 07:45:29 | a7r | digdude: Quite a few.. but in the end almost the same file count as the original CRAMFS based Familiars. |
| 09:27:50 | digdude | a7r_: see you in a few weeks. |
| 12:49:09 | nikos | cworth: Wasn't it the intention that pending packages would be taken care of on first boot? |
| 12:51:42 | cworth | I only got as far as making the user invoke ipkg at least once after the first boot, (I'm not sure if this is listed as optional in the instructions right now)... |
| 12:52:15 | cworth | the fact that pending packages are not deleted after being installed is a bug that I have already fixed, but that must have not been released. <sigh> |
| 12:52:51 | nikos | OK, I was just wondering about the intention. I suspected that the current state was not the intended. |
| 12:53:53 | nikos | Have you had further thoughts about moving to a compiled implementation? Or do you want to continue with the shell one for a while longer? |
| 12:54:20 | nikos | I'm giving some thought to what we can do to improve getting network support setup. |
| 12:56:24 | cworth | nikos: I'm very likely going to add the next big feature improvements in a compiled C version. I'm afraid I may have less time to dedicate to ipkg now though, :(. |
| 12:57:09 | nikos | cworth: Oh? What's going on? |
| 12:58:48 | nikos | cworth: Do you think you will have time to provide the direction of other's take up the bulk of the coding? |
| 12:58:53 | cworth | nikos: well, I've had a good story for doing this at work, (iPAQ administration was exceedingly painful before). Now that it is somewhat working though.... Also, other projects here at work are becoming more important. |
| 12:59:07 | nikos | OK. |
| 13:00:19 | cworth | nikos: I still want to do this on my own time and I think I'll be able to support it well enough. Fortunately, no major changes should be required, (although a lot of new features are desirable) |
| 13:23:13 | nikos | cworth: I was going to do so, but would you like to post regarding pending and ssh? Or shall I? |
| 14:34:46 | nikos | Hey sjohnson |
| 14:36:48 | sjohnson | Hi nikos, what's new besides v0.4 |
| 14:37:52 | nikos | Trying to get organized, I think it is hopeless. |
| 14:40:12 | sjohnson | nikos: Ahh. The never ending fight. Unfortunately the universe is stacked against us. :> |
| 14:41:13 | nikos | I got hit worse than usual yesterday, and I still havent' gotten sorted out. Something is going to have to change, even if I have to develop my own tool to run on the ipaq. |
| 14:46:23 | sjohnson | Hmm. Using a PDA to help organize. Fancy that. |
| 14:47:02 | nikos | I know, it's radical, but I gotta do something. ;) |
| 15:16:45 | nikos | cworth: Do we have any idea yet how we are going to handle package submissions? |
| 15:20:49 | nikos | cworth: We seem to be getting complaints about "having" to setup networking. I just got a very pointed one from someone who considers themselves an authority on packaging systems. I don't know if this is just a documentation thing, or if we really need to try to come up with another way, be it automation of the host side of the network setup (I'm assuming we already plan to automate the ipaq side), or something else. |
| 15:21:35 | cworth | nikos: no package submission process yet. |
| 15:21:53 | nikos | cworth: Is not being able to update the ipkg Packages information a problem? |
| 15:22:18 | nikos | cworth: OK, I think it's something we need to make a priority (package submission process). |
| 15:22:30 | nikos | cworth: If you are too busy right now, just let me know. |
| 15:23:43 | cworth | nikos: I just sent off a reply to familiar@ regarding "network dependence" in ipkg. I can only assume that our problem is documentation. I cannot conceive how the network dependence could be reduced. |
| 15:24:42 | nikos | cworth: The only way I can see is to have something on the host side. We can certainly automate the ipaq side, and I think that is doable. |
| 15:25:10 | nikos | cworth: Alternatively, we could have a system that could "feed" the ipaq from a host system that already has the packages. Via zmodem or whatever. |
| 15:25:34 | nikos | cworth: This is part of the reason that I think abstracting the package retrieval process in ipkg should be a priority. |
| 15:25:47 | cworth | nikos: that said, I think that network setup is seriously suffering right now in "ease-of-use"... mostly documentation, but maybe also some setup. |
| 15:26:21 | nikos | cworth: Right, I think documentation is the way to go first. I think we should probably point to existing wiki docs at the very least until we can work something up. |
| 15:26:30 | nikos | cworth: a7r has asked me to try to come up with something for usbnet. |
| 15:27:36 | cworth | nikos: I agree that an easy way to suck packages from a local host would be useful. Even if it is rz, this is still a "network dependence" and is the reason I mentioned it can't be avoided. |
| 15:28:17 | nikos | It requires no setup though that we don't already assume. |
| 15:28:22 | cworth | nikos: For now, it would be fairly easy to pull all the packages onto a local machine, setup ppp and a web/ftp server on the host. |
| 15:28:50 | cworth | nikos: I agree that package retrieval would ideally be more abstracted, (a la apt in Debian). |
| 15:28:51 | nikos | I don't see how you can call that "fairly easy" |
| 15:29:53 | nikos | I guess the real question is where we expect the installation process to go in the coming months. |
| 15:30:08 | nikos | Are we intending to get away from the use of the serial console that we do now? |
| 15:30:30 | cworth | nikos: I'm not the one to say... |
| 15:30:35 | nikos | Maybe it is not worth putting a lot of time into this until we know where we want to go with the install process. |
| 15:30:43 | nikos | cworth: Me neither. |
| 15:30:58 | cworth | nikos: I'm just a "Humble Package Man{ag|gl}er" remember? :) |
| 15:31:01 | nikos | Maybe we need to try to get the interested parties together including jamey and jg. |
| 15:56:42 | Tangent | I think it'd be nice to be able to install packages without downloading them first... |
| 15:56:59 | Tangent | i.e. so you could install a 285Mb image to udrive... for example ;) |
| 15:57:16 | Tangent | Something like nc | tar xzf |
| 15:58:19 | cworth | Tangent: if you have file.ipk available then you *can* install it with, "ipkg install file.ipk". Is that what you would want? |
| 15:58:44 | Tangent | cworth : No... file.ipk is too big to fit into flash.... |
| 15:59:05 | Tangent | cworth : I wanna to install http://host.web.net/distro/bigfile.ipk |
| 15:59:14 | Tangent | and it then runs the pre-install.... |
| 15:59:19 | nikos | So install while streaming? |
| 15:59:20 | Tangent | which asks me some questions... |
| 15:59:32 | Tangent | Then streams the file... via tar to the install location... |
| 15:59:39 | Tangent | Then does post install stuff |
| 15:59:50 | Tangent | Yeah.. install while streaming.... |
| 16:00:07 | Tangent | And find some way of dealing with it when it all goes horribly wrong |
| 16:00:14 | nikos | That's not possible with a gzipped file is it? |
| 16:00:24 | cworth | Tangent: Oh, I see... |
| 16:00:50 | nikos | cworth: On that note, the temp directory probably should be configurable. |
| 16:00:59 | cworth | Tangent: that might not be that hard... |
| 16:01:02 | cworth | nikos: no, it is, you can use "tar -O" for example. |
| 16:01:11 | nikos | OK |
| 16:02:35 | nikos | It probably does make sense to be able to install packages without writing to storage first, but there will need to be additional support for error situations. |
| 16:03:04 | Tangent | Yep... It's when it all goes wrong that the headaches begin... |
| 16:04:32 | cworth | Tangent: Currently ipkg untars everything to a tmp directory, runs preinst, then moves files to final resting spots, and finally runs postinst. |
| 16:04:33 | nikos | Tangent: Would it help if you just editted /usr/bin/ipkg and changed the temporary directory so it was on the udrive instead? |
| 16:04:41 | nikos | At least as a temporary measure. |
| 16:05:03 | cworth | Tangent: If "ipkg install" could accept '-' to mean installpackage on stdin, would that do what you wanted? |
| 16:07:42 | nikos | cworth: Can you really get the control information you need before you get the data? |
| 16:09:23 | nikos | At the same time, with a .gzs inside a .gz, you still have to be able to store the whole thing in between don't you? |
| 16:09:24 | cworth | nikos: no, because you can't rewind stdin, so you'd have to unextract it all first. But I think you could at least eliminate ever having two copies of each file. |
| 16:10:07 | nikos | cworth: How will you extract the data.tar.gz and not have it in storage at the same time? |
| 16:10:32 | nikos | That's the bulk of the .ipk isn't it? |
| 16:15:54 | cworth | nikos: hmm... I was thinking: "nc file.ipk | tar xzOf - ./data.tar.gz | tar xzf - -C /tmp/ipkg" but that only works for one of data.tar.gz or control.tar.gz, not both. We could send the file twice, (ugh), or have the first split performed on the server side, (either statically or on the fly). Not too pretty though... |
| 16:31:51 | nikos | Hey jg |
| 16:31:56 | jg | Hi. |
| 16:32:02 | Tangent | Hi jg |
| 16:32:27 | jg | Just played with DECtalk for an instant... |
| 16:32:33 | jg | Should make good demo material... |
| 16:32:51 | Tangent | jg : Question for you... The anti aliasing on X... Is it simple anti aliasing, or true sub-pixel rendering? |
| 16:33:06 | nikos | jg: We need to get everyone interested in the installation process together for a meeting to talk about direction sometime. |
| 16:33:09 | jg | Full blown with subpixel decimation... |
| 16:33:15 | jg | nikos: Yup. |
| 16:33:35 | Tangent | jg : Does the iPAQ screen work in Landscape or Portrait mode? |
| 16:33:54 | Tangent | WTR pixel layout |
| 16:34:43 | jg | Depends on how the config file is set up for AA; right now, it has to be set manually... |
| 16:36:26 | Tangent | jg : I mean... How are the pixels physically aligned on the iPAQ screen... |
| 16:36:26 | jg | Landscape. |
| 16:36:27 | Tangent | jg : As I understand it... SPR only works properly in one orientation... |
| 16:36:27 | Tangent | jg : OK.. Cool.. Thanks |
| 16:36:27 | jg | It is most effective in one direction: horizontal... |
| 16:36:27 | nikos | So it will never work well for portrait? |
| 16:36:35 | jg | Not as well... |
| 16:36:42 | nikos | That sucks! |
| 16:36:49 | jg | Your eyes don't get the edges as much... |
| 16:36:54 | cworth | jg: what would be the source of asymmetry? typical font shapes? or something more fundamental |
| 16:45:37 | nikos | The lcd color layout. |
| 16:45:37 | cworth | jg: ah, yes. asymmetry in the eye then... |
| 16:45:37 | jg | we read horizontally: sharpness on the vertical edges is most helpful... |
| 16:45:38 | jg | Dunno if Keith has implemented vertical decimation or not, off hand... |
| 16:45:38 | Tangent | cworth : http://grc.com/ctwhat.htm |
| 17:25:35 | a7r_ | morning.. |
| 17:25:55 | nikos | Morning |
| 17:26:30 | a7r_ | hey nikos, how's it going? |
| 17:26:55 | nikos | Good, I'm going to send out an email soon, but I want to say v0.4 is EXTREMELY amazing! |
| 17:27:22 | nikos | a7r: Thanks for all your work, I think v0.4 shows amazing progress over v0.3. |
| 17:27:37 | a7r | haha, great. :> |
| 17:28:04 | a7r | it really is a step ahead of everything else, as far as all the new functionality. |
| 17:29:52 | nikos | I think he just means familiar. |
| 17:30:06 | nikos | He can't seem to get osloader on to WinCE, he has not Win box. |
| 17:30:40 | cworth | hi a7r |
| 17:31:35 | cworth | a7r: I'm only now getting around to testing familiar 0.4. There's a mismatch in the name of the zImage within the .md5sum file, (so md5sum -c fails). But the sum is in fact correct. |
| 17:32:08 | a7r | cworth: note the symlinks. |
| 17:32:12 | nikos | cworth: Which zimage? I used the longest named one (fam2), seemed fine to me. |
| 17:32:19 | nikos | Ah symlinks, that explains it. |
| 17:33:45 | cworth | a7r: fair enough. I just downloaded from the http pages so I never saw the symlinks, (nor did my browser). |
| 17:34:15 | a7r | cworth: Yeah. |
| 17:34:38 | nikos | wb jg |
| 17:34:40 | a7r | I swapped out the kernel, as the old one still had that JFFS2 flash/resume bug. |
| 17:34:42 | a7r | hey jg.. |
| 17:34:46 | jg | hi there... |
| 17:34:53 | jg | reinstalling today... |
| 17:34:57 | a7r | great. |
| 17:35:03 | jg | Also played with dectalk... |
| 17:35:21 | a7r | cworth: I'm going to add install_pending to the instructions, as a first step. |
| 17:35:31 | a7r | jg: awesome, how is it? |
| 17:35:45 | cworth | a7r: that sounds good for now. |
| 17:36:24 | cworth | a7r: is that stupid pending bug still in the default ipkg? (ie. it doesn't erase the pending packages after installing) |
| 17:36:36 | a7r | cworth: Yeah,. we should upgrade the package. |
| 17:38:04 | jg | a7r: seems to work... |
| 17:38:13 | jg | a7r: sounds like dectalk... |
| 17:39:06 | a7r | haha |
| 17:39:10 | a7r | I guess you can't ask for anything more. ;> |
| 17:41:11 | nelson | jg: did you get a copy of dectalk already? |
| 17:42:52 | nelson | jg: I spoke to the person from force technology, or whatever, and he made noises about getting an agreement to me. |
| 17:43:48 | nikos | nelson: I think your ideas about getty are the right way to go. I just hope we can do them in a lightweight manner. |
| 17:44:18 | nelson | nikos: yes, given that that getty will be running all the time. |
| 17:44:51 | boodle | nelson: Does input core support provide a mechanism? |
| 17:45:09 | nikos | Considering the narrow range of use we will be making of getty, it might be best to roll our own. |
| 17:45:31 | a7r | I'm a little hazing on what/why we're doing w/ getty. |
| 17:45:36 | a7r | s/hazing/hazey/ |
| 17:45:36 | nelson | boodle: mgetty can at least recognize PPP packets and run pppd, so the technology exists. |
| 17:45:46 | cworth | nelson: but using magic login strings for getty would require all devices to talk at a common baud rate would it not? |
| 17:45:59 | nikos | a7r: Having to change runlevels for mutliple use of serial doesn't seem like the right solution. |
| 17:46:09 | nelson | AFAICS we're running the oldest possible getty. It even switches your terminal to all-caps if you login with all-caps. |
| 17:46:15 | nelson | cworth: autobauding. |
| 17:46:26 | a7r | nikos: changing the code doesn't make sense. |
| 17:46:32 | boodle | nelson: and with keyboard,joystick,mouse etc support.. it seems to offer most/all? permutations |
| 17:46:37 | cworth | nelson: OK, then. I'm out of my realm of expertise. |
| 17:46:38 | a7r | there are a shitload of different things that could be done. |
| 17:46:48 | nelson | Remember the old ADM-3A terminals, which didn't have lowercase characters? |
| 17:47:01 | nikos | a7r: There are many other cases of multiple use of a single port that don't require that sort of thing. |
| 17:47:10 | nelson | Where's the source for the getty we're using? |
| 17:47:23 | nelson | Is it just the debian standard getty? |
| 17:48:04 | a7r | yup. |
| 17:48:18 | a7r | nikos: I can't think of a sane reason to change getty. |
| 17:48:31 | a7r | I can think of many sane reason and ways to change what's listening on the port. |
| 17:48:37 | nelson | I'm not a getty expert (was hoping to roost one out), but I've looked at mgetty. |
| 17:48:49 | nelson | Yeah, but a7r, the whole point is to do it automagically. |
| 17:49:08 | nelson | We can afford that. |
| 17:49:42 | a7r | I think you'll find getting an automagical situation is going to suck. |
| 17:49:58 | nikos | I don't see any reason that someone can't experiment though. |
| 17:50:26 | a7r | nikos: Heh, since when has anything anyone has said stopped anyone else from doing anything? ;> |
| 17:51:42 | a7r | nelson: What's your current idea? Probe the unused port and then hand off to the write app? |
| 17:52:00 | a7r | s/write/right/ |
| 17:52:02 | a7r | ugg. |
| 17:53:40 | a7r | cworth: Good response to Richard Cohen, BTW. |
| 17:54:16 | cworth | a7r: thanks. |
| 17:58:28 | a7r | damn it, I'm late for a meeting. |
| 17:58:34 | a7r | I'll talk to you guys later. |
| 17:58:42 | cworth | a7r: later. |
| 17:58:43 | nikos | Bye |
| 18:22:29 | nikos | Are "missing" docs consider enough of a bug to be included in the GNATS db? |
| 18:24:28 | jg | nikos: I've just done an install. I'm losing... |
| 18:26:03 | jg | nikos: you there? |
| 18:33:20 | jg | cworth: you there? |
| 18:38:14 | nikos | I'm here now sorry |
| 18:39:15 | nikos | jg: You alive? |
| 18:39:23 | jg | yup. |
| 18:39:28 | jg | I've just done a fresh install... |
| 18:39:29 | nikos | What's going on? |
| 18:40:18 | jg | Following the directions, I try to do a ipkg update... |
| 18:40:31 | jg | It then mumbles about messing with ssh... |
| 18:40:48 | jg | And then anytime I try to do an ipkg command, it mumbles again... |
| 18:41:11 | nikos | rm /usr/lib/ipkg/pending/* |
| 18:41:22 | nikos | It's a bug, it's been fixed. The ipkg package just needs to be updated. |
| 18:41:39 | jg | Then why did I run into it? |
| 18:42:08 | nikos | The ipkg package hasn't been updated, the fix is only in CVS at this point probably. |
| 18:42:21 | jg | This will confuse anybody... |
| 18:42:28 | jg | Who tries to install. |
| 18:42:37 | jg | What does it take to get the ipkg package updated? |
| 18:42:40 | nikos | No argument I assume someone is going to update ipkg and the images very soon. |
| 18:42:52 | nikos | Someone with time, knowledge, and inclination. |
| 18:42:54 | nikos | :) |
| 18:44:00 | nikostest | Hello, I'm testing stever's CGI IRC client |
| 18:44:04 | jg | Unfortunately, I'm short on all three at the moment..., and without 1 or 2, I'm in trouble... |
| 18:44:07 | nikos | Seems to work. ;) |
| 18:44:19 | nikos | I'm missing 2 and some 1 as well. |
| 18:45:32 | jg | and cworth and a7r are elsewhere... |
| 18:45:59 | nikos | Yeah, but this is not a showstopper bug. |
| 18:46:06 | nikos | ipkg continues to do the right thing. |
| 18:46:13 | nikos | It just reinstalls sshd over and over again. |
| 18:46:19 | nikos | Doesn't it? |
| 18:46:20 | jg | But the install page needs to be fixed in the meanwhile... |
| 18:46:47 | nikos | I might be able to do that, just sec. |
| 18:47:51 | jg | needs link at appropriate place to the FAQ, which explains the problem... |
| 18:48:30 | nikos | OK, I'm editting... What do you suggest? |
| 18:49:00 | jg | In the boot the installation for the first time section, at the appropriate |
| 18:49:15 | jg | place, it should go to the FAQ, and proably suggest removing the pending afterwards... |
| 18:49:44 | nikos | dang, it's not in CVS. |
| 18:53:38 | nelson | a7r: sorry, got distracted by paying work. My suggestion is that getty should recognize that what it's getting at it's login: prompt is not a username, but instead a stream of characters from a device. |
| 18:53:59 | nikos | nelson: He's gone. |
| 18:54:25 | nelson | Yeah, but he's still on irc, so he'll have scroll-back. |
| 18:54:32 | nikos | True true |
| 18:54:58 | nikos | Thank god h0 has pico at least, editting that doc with vi would really suck. |
| 18:55:29 | nikos | Sure looks like he must have it in CVS somewhere... I can't find it though. |
| 18:59:52 | nikos | Huh, it is in the website, but I didn't get new directories. |
| 19:00:01 | nikos | I mean, it is in CVS. |
| 19:00:53 | nikos | OK, fixed that, really editting now. |
| 19:02:50 | nikos | a7r: I'm going to go ahead and add ipkg install_pending to the install doc |
| 19:07:34 | jg | nikos: ever used ae? |
| 19:07:51 | nikos | Yeah, sometime ago. |
| 19:07:58 | jg | how do you get out??? |
| 19:08:01 | nikos | jg: vi in familiar is iv. |
| 19:08:09 | nikos | :q! |
| 19:08:13 | jg | I'm stuck in ae! |
| 19:08:27 | nikos | :q! doesn't work? |
| 19:08:28 | jg | so I repeat... How do I get out? |
| 19:08:37 | nikos | I'm wrong |
| 19:08:39 | nikos | just sec |
| 19:08:50 | nikos | You want to save or abort? |
| 19:08:53 | jg | abort |
| 19:08:56 | nikos | ^Q |
| 19:09:05 | jg | thanks... |
| 19:09:08 | nikos | Sure |
| 19:09:12 | jg | Where would I find an AE doc? |
| 19:09:22 | jacques | cool. |
| 19:09:28 | jacques | never knew about iv |
| 19:09:41 | jacques | oh, iy's symlinked to vi or vice cersa |
| 19:09:45 | nikos | ^X^H should stick a little help doc up at the top. |
| 19:10:12 | nikos | It toggles. |
| 19:10:16 | nikos | right |
| 19:12:35 | jacques | how does one save screen calibration in familiar? |
| 19:13:41 | nikos | DANG IT! Someone removed the automatic website updater from CVS. |
| 19:16:49 | nikos | jg: Finally made some changes, please check them out. |
| 19:18:36 | jg | nik |
| 19:18:41 | jg | nikos: Much better |
| 19:18:51 | jg | would have saved me an hour or more... |
| 19:18:54 | nikos | great |
| 19:20:02 | jacques | anyone? |
| 19:20:14 | | jacques: no idea |
| 19:20:14 | jacques | ibot: how does one save screen calibration in familiar? |
| 19:20:23 | nikos | I'm hoping someone will speak up. |
| 19:20:34 | nikos | Because I don't have a clue. |
| 19:20:39 | | thanks jacques :) |
| 19:20:39 | jacques | ibot: bad ibot! no botsnack for you! |
| 19:20:44 | jacques | arg |
| 19:20:45 | nikos | Hehe |
| 19:20:53 | nikos | He's a greedy bot. |
| 19:20:58 | jacques | heh |
| 19:23:07 | nelson | jacques: I thought that sjohnson had made changes to calibrate to write out the calibration. Dunno is familiar is using it. |
| 19:23:24 | jacques | nelson: thanks :-) |
| 19:52:44 | cworth | jg: back now, reading the backlog... |
| 20:11:56 | jg | cworth: The ipkg package needs updateing to get the ssh postinst thing fixed; I had nikos update the install directions in the meanwhile, as it is causing great confusion (including me personally). |
| 20:12:45 | cworth | jg: nod. I told a7r about this bug last week and I thought I gave him a fixed package. I'm surprised the bug is still there. |
| 20:14:23 | jg | cworth: Nasty bug: it causes great confusion... |
| 20:14:54 | jg | cworth: I've played with DECtalk on the iPAQ a bit today... |
| 20:15:17 | cworth | jg: *sigh* I caught it seconds after I committed to CVS. The bug existed in CVS for a very short time. It's a shame it became part of the official release. |
| 20:15:33 | cworth | jg: speech recognition? |
| 20:15:42 | jg | No, speech synthesis... |
| 20:16:25 | cworth | jg: ah, very cool. pointer? |
| 20:16:48 | jg | Force Computing (fci.com). |
| 20:20:27 | jacques | binary only? |
| 20:21:20 | jg | yup. |
| 20:22:17 | jacques | self-extracting .exe files?? |
| 20:22:30 | jg | .tar.gz |
| 20:23:16 | jacques | I am looking on their site and am in the download section but cannot find any mention of different architecture versions |
| 20:24:11 | Disconnect | detached. [dircproxy log on] |
| 20:34:31 | jg | jacques: Order Numbers: 508-599-2477. |
| 20:34:31 | jg | Licensing Contact: Carl Leeber, New Business Manager, 508-599-2477. |
| 20:34:31 | jg | Carl.Leeber@fci.com or |
| 20:34:31 | jg | Contact your local sales representative |
| 20:35:33 | jacques | jg: sorry. I thought there might be a freely downloadable demo |
| 20:46:14 | jg | Not at the moment, to my knowledge... |
| 20:49:47 | jacques | i would love to have my ipaq talk to me |
| 20:50:18 | nikos | Crap, I don't know what I was thinking. When we say 'setup networking' many people will setup PPP and not have serial console access anymore. That makes ipkg install_pending before setting up network even more important. |
| 20:50:22 | jacques | somehow I dno't think festival would run |
| 20:51:03 | jacques | heh, I always do a netstat -at before starting ppp |
| 20:51:13 | Kero | remembers having seen /dev/speech in linux i386 quite a while ago... |
| 20:52:42 | jacques | heh, I bet a talking ipaq would startle ppl |
| 20:52:47 | jacques | would be cool |
| 20:53:21 | jacques | maybe use light sensor to detect motion |
| 20:54:20 | Kero | festival and rsynth are mentioned on the first link google supplies. |
| 20:54:56 | jacques | Kero: yeah, but I can't even get festival running on x86 :-( |
| 20:55:10 | jacques | Kero: won't compile with later gcc/g++ |
| 20:55:20 | jacques | Kero: and it's *huge* |
| 20:56:52 | Kero | http://www.speechio.org/ creates /dev/speech; I do not know the quality of rsynth (but they recommend festival :-) |
| 20:57:17 | Kero | can download the debian packages. |
| 20:57:32 | jacques | cool :-) |
| 21:04:44 | Kero | not that /dev/speech works... |
| 21:07:34 | mallum | Kero: I just got it working |
| 21:07:42 | mallum | Kero: with rsynth |
| 21:08:15 | mallum | Kero: needs Perl though. will compile for ipaq tommorow - bed now |
| 21:13:24 | Kero | festival has no voices installed. |
| 21:13:50 | Kero | apt-get does not show this, but dselect does suggest a few additional packages |
| 21:20:30 | Kero | festival speaks |
| 21:20:49 | Kero | still, /dev/speech doesn't |
| 21:22:34 | jacques | Kero: cool - on x86 ? |
| 21:22:41 | Kero | yup. |
| 21:23:11 | Kero | it seems to fork a bit, so I have two voices speaking to me from one file, simultaneously :-( |
| 21:23:20 | Kero | may be some 8kB vs 16 kB probem. |
| 21:24:13 | jacques | Kero: that sounds kinda funny |
| 21:24:36 | jacques | Kero: hmmm, maybe it's on the redhat 7.1 powertools disk... |
| 21:25:32 | Kero | Ooops, that's a whole crowd mumbling a mail-header... |
| 21:26:07 | jacques | darn. redhat dropped it from powertools |
| 21:26:16 | jacques | probably because they couldn't compile it |
| 21:27:14 | Kero | too bad. I'm not quite sure this debian package is 100% OK, either |
| 21:27:38 | jacques | Kero: heh :-) |