| 00:56:59 | BadMind | see you |
| 05:44:18 | a7r | is back (gone 10:57:46) |
| 07:31:44 | a7r_ | is away: -> sleep |
| 07:51:35 | _Axu__ | hi folks |
| 08:34:00 | cworth | re |
| 08:36:30 | jacques | hi |
| 08:37:20 | cworth | jacques: hi. what've you been up to? |
| 08:49:21 | jacques | cworth: building kernels for ipaq |
| 08:49:52 | jacques | cworth: I tried flashing kernel from within linux but that didn't work :-) |
| 08:55:53 | cworth | jacques: hmmm... I know in the past there was a magic header in the flash before the kernel. That might be what bit you. |
| 09:01:07 | jacques | cworth: yes, but I was following something from the ipaq list: (echo -en \\357\\276\\132\\132\\377\\377\\7\\0\\0\\0\\0\\300 ; cat arch/arm/boo |
| 09:01:07 | jacques | t/zImage )> asd ; |
| 09:01:29 | jacques | which supposedly put the magic header on, but it did not work |
| 09:02:04 | jacques | not a big deal, I can still flash from serial |
| 09:08:38 | Tangent | I think thay may have finally got round to removing the magic header from the kernel |
| 09:08:44 | Tangent | Which would be nice :) |
| 09:10:32 | Tangent | BTW... They = Bootloader People |
| 09:12:10 | cworth | jacques: oh, yes. I think that may be gone now. That's why I said "in the past" |
| 09:12:25 | cworth | hi Tangent, how goes it? |
| 09:12:44 | jacques | damn, you mean I should have just tried it straight?? :-) |
| 09:13:00 | Tangent | cworth : Pretty good actually... I been doing loads of work on intimate... which has made me happy (Talk about please yourself ;) |
| 09:13:37 | cworth | Tangent: cool. |
| 09:13:40 | Tangent | cworth : And it's a sunny day, and I'm going out house hunting soon... :) |
| 09:13:55 | Tangent | cworth : How're things with you? |
| 09:14:06 | cworth | Tangent: I'm getting a lot of requests to make ipkg target different filesystems, so I'll probably do that soon. |
| 09:14:18 | cworth | Tangent: good. lots of fun ideas and no time. :) |
| 09:14:39 | Tangent | cworth : Yeah.. that's cool :) |
| 09:14:45 | cworth | Tangent: I'm actually brushing the dust off of xstroke today. |
| 09:14:58 | Tangent | cworth : My recogniser of chioce... |
| 09:15:09 | Tangent | cworth : I'm really quite fast with it now :) |
| 09:20:36 | Tangent | cworth : Still the only recogniser where I can find the #, : and <TAB> chars :) |
| 09:23:01 | cworth | Tangent: yeah, I wrote it basically so I could do <TAB> and <ESC>. :) |
| 09:23:31 | Tangent | cworth : I just need to master CTRL-C and life will be complete :) |
| 09:24:11 | cworth | Tangent: not there yet, (on the TODO). I just use an iPAQ button mapped to control. |
| 09:24:36 | Tangent | cworth : Hmm... I have a button mapped to control, but it doesn't seem to work... |
| 09:24:55 | Tangent | cworth : Are you able to drag windows by holding down one of the buttons (like in the old days) ? |
| 09:25:02 | cworth | Tangent: no? I use that all the time. |
| 09:25:19 | cworth | Tangent: I don't drag windows anymore! I use ion. :) |
| 09:25:46 | Tangent | ion? Differnt window manager? |
| 09:26:13 | cworth | Tangent: yup: see http://thump.east.isi.edu/ipaq/ion |
| 09:27:38 | cworth | Tangent: also http://www.students.tut.fi/~tuomov/ion/ |
| 09:29:14 | Tangent | BRB |
| 09:31:45 | Tangent | cworth : ion uses full screen for everything? |
| 09:32:18 | cworth | Tangent: starts out full-screen, then you can split the frame into multiple non-overlapping windows. |
| 09:32:52 | Tangent | http://vigneron.free.fr/enotes/ Been trying (half-heartedly) to get this working... |
| 09:33:17 | jacques | cworth: does ion allow for fixed-size windows? |
| 09:33:32 | jacques | cworth: or does it assume that any window can be arbitrarily resized? |
| 09:33:43 | cworth | Tangent: each frame can also have multiple clients, (ie. in the screenshot the top frame has an rxvt and pyditor). You can switch between them by tapping on the titlebars. |
| 09:34:03 | cworth | jacques: it resizes the windows to the frame sizes the user supplies. |
| 09:34:09 | Tangent | cworth : How does prboom react to it? |
| 09:34:21 | Tangent | cworth : and other things that run full screen? |
| 09:34:41 | jacques | cworth: supplies how? |
| 09:34:44 | cworth | Tangent: haven't tried. |
| 09:35:09 | cworth | jacques: initially you have a single full-size frame, so that's what the program will get... |
| 09:35:47 | cworth | jacques: then you can split the frame horizontally or vertically and adjust the relative sizes by dragging the dividing bar, (or using keyboard commands) |
| 09:36:15 | cworth | jacques: you can drag and drop titlebars of clients between frames. |
| 09:36:30 | cworth | ion is the only window manager I use on all of my machines these days. |
| 09:36:40 | cworth | oh, it also supports workspaces. |
| 09:37:08 | jacques | cworth: what about constraints - can you say a window cannot get any narrower than X pixels? |
| 09:37:09 | cworth | and, I've been using fstroke together with ion keybindings for full gesture-based control of all of its functions. |
| 09:37:38 | cworth | jacques: there is a default minimum size compiled in. |
| 09:37:56 | jacques | cworth: I am thinking about trying ion for my desktops, but I DO NOT like my terminal windows being strange widths |
| 09:38:41 | jacques | cworth: I would like to be able to move them around without resizing them |
| 09:39:46 | cworth | jacques: I've learned to deal with this personally, (ie. on my laptop's 1024x768 display I usually have one vertical split giving two 84x57 terms) |
| 09:40:08 | jacques | cworth: nod |
| 09:42:10 | cworth | you can "ipkg install ion-nasty-hacks" if you want to try it there. |
| 09:44:42 | jacques | cworth: yeah, I will probably try it. I am looking for a desktop replacement as my favorite flwm is not being developed anymore |
| 09:46:32 | cworth | jacques: another one that might be interesting would be scwm, (especially if you developed a set of constraints that made it act like an extended version of ion). Probably not the right wm for the iPAQ though --- who wants yet another interpreter?! |
| 09:50:53 | jacques | cworth: :-) |
| 09:56:15 | jacques | time for bed |
| 09:56:27 | cworth | later jacques |
| 09:56:27 | Tangent | Night jacques_idle |
| 09:56:35 | jacquesZzZz | 'night guys |
| 14:01:05 | _Axu_ | good morning |
| 14:10:07 | _Axu_ | i cant get not Dīs with familiar 0.4s binary dist. fscrib |
| 17:49:12 | a7r_ | is back (gone 10:17:27) |
| 17:57:40 | _Axu_ | welcome back a7r :) |
| 17:57:52 | a7r | _Axu_: thanks. |
| 17:58:45 | _Axu_ | a7r: i have to thank, nice work you do with familiar |
| 17:58:55 | a7r | thanks, again. |
| 17:58:59 | _Axu_ | hehe ;) |
| 20:29:06 | _Axu_ | how to list installed packages with ipkg ? |
| 20:30:27 | _Axu_ | ipkg list |
| 20:30:29 | _Axu_ | oki :) |
| 20:30:30 | _Axu_ | hehe |