| 00:01:29 | jn | goes to bed now. thanks for your friendly and helpful advice ! |
| 00:25:21 | nelson | nikos: I'm thinking that pyditor is a good start for a notepad application. |
| 00:26:25 | nikos | nelson: Well, or a code editor. scintilla has all the stuff, pyditor simply doesn't expose it. |
| 00:26:50 | nikos | nelson: But I'm sure a notepad could be put together quite quickly. |
| 00:27:19 | nikos | nelson: But I don't think pyscintilla widget makes much sense as a simple notepad. |
| 01:05:46 | Tima | anyone alive? |
| 02:32:28 | edwardam | is away: I'm busy |
| 09:21:44 | dLux | Hello! |
| 09:22:23 | jacques | 'lo :-) |
| 09:24:26 | dLux | Can anybody tell me how I can take part in the familiar development? |
| 09:28:15 | dLux | a7r seem outta here... |
| 09:28:58 | jacques | dLux: hmm, a7r might still be on #handhelds.org |
| 09:30:38 | dLux | jacques: He is idle more than one hour ago... |
| 09:31:05 | dLux | ... but I will try :-) |
| 09:31:17 | jacques | dLux: ah, sorry I don't know how to check idle times |
| 09:33:26 | dLux | I have a lot of idea and packages, which I want to incorporate with familiar... |
| 09:37:08 | dLux | Is there an "rsync"-able familiar somewhere? |
| 09:38:12 | jacques | dLux: not that I am aware of, but if you have a udrive we have an rsyncable intimate dist now |
| 09:38:58 | dLux | jacques: No I don't have a udrive :-( Intimati is fine for me, but I use it over NFS... |
| 09:39:09 | dLux | s/Intimati/intimate/ |
| 09:39:35 | jacques | dLux: ah, cool. well if you want to know the latest, Tangent and I are talking on #intimate |
| 10:20:49 | dLux | Tangent: Do some sport, and the problems will be solved. |
| 10:21:15 | dLux | Tangent: I also don't move so much, but I think I will start doing this as soon as I have problems... |
| 10:21:49 | dLux | Tangent: I usually lay on the bed when I use my computer. Carry your chair everywhere :-) |
| 10:23:12 | Tangent | dLux : But my only problem is that other people's chairs are sometimes uncomfortable |
| 12:31:24 | edwardam | is back (gone 09:58:55) |
| 14:41:58 | nikos | is away: Errands... |
| 15:39:57 | nikos | is back |
| 17:24:19 | nikos | a7r: Did you see that email from Dave Mozzoni? |
| 17:24:33 | a7r | nikos: which? |
| 17:25:05 | nikos | 'Your excellent article on the iPAQ and Linux' |
| 17:25:08 | nikos | Hello blended |
| 17:25:13 | blended | yo |
| 17:25:56 | blended | all i need to do to install x and all the x apps is to install the task-x package right? |
| 17:26:06 | blended | or do i need to install x first |
| 17:27:11 | nikos | task-x will certainly install X and some X apps, I'm not sure about 'all the x apps' though. ;) |
| 17:27:27 | blended | well, i guess that's all i was looking for |
| 17:34:16 | blended | i suppose there's not an ipkg of gcc is there? |
| 17:34:28 | a7r | yeah.. |
| 17:35:50 | blended | i was trying to put together a setup so i could compile for the arm on my redhat box but it got complicated fast |
| 17:36:21 | blended | is xlibs really needed? |
| 17:36:47 | a7r | xlib is, Xt and Xaw aren't. |
| 17:37:30 | blended | what do those do? |
| 17:38:49 | nikos | They are widget sets. |
| 17:39:29 | blended | i dont need pcmcia-cs to use a CF udrive do i? |
| 17:39:39 | a7r | yeah, you do. |
| 17:40:12 | blended | christ xlibs is huge! |
| 17:40:12 | blended | crapzor |
| 17:41:43 | nikos | blended: ~800KB? |
| 17:41:46 | blended | yah |
| 17:41:57 | blended | well, when you only have 16MB of flash its huge |
| 17:43:08 | nikos | Should be able to drop another 100-200K soon. |
| 17:51:03 | blended | how do you start x? im used to using startx but that doesnt seem to be on the system |
| 17:51:28 | nikos | /etc/init.d/x start |
| 17:51:55 | nikos | It's run as a system app rather than a user app. |
| 17:52:07 | blended | ahhh |
| 17:59:50 | blended | anyone know how to use bl or led? |
| 17:59:56 | blended | the --help isnt any used |
| 18:00:02 | blended | s/used/use |
| 18:57:37 | blended | god this is so frustrating |
| 18:57:48 | blended | all i need is a working text editor |
| 18:57:57 | nikos | blended: pyditor |
| 18:58:11 | blended | that only works in x |
| 18:58:25 | blended | it's not a very good text editor either |
| 18:58:35 | nikos | Get ae, it's not great, but workable. |
| 18:58:48 | nikos | I did a fair amount of writing with ae this weekend. ;) |
| 18:58:48 | a7r | blended: then write or package up your own. |
| 18:58:49 | blended | i tried using that but i couldnt save or open files |
| 18:58:55 | nikos | s/ae/pyditor/ |
| 18:59:04 | nikos | I wrote with pyditor, not ae... |
| 18:59:06 | blended | a7r: im working on that |
| 18:59:20 | nikos | blended: ctrl-X ctrl-W saves files. |
| 18:59:23 | blended | a7r: problem is getting a build env setup for arm on my system |
| 18:59:29 | nikos | blended: ctrl-X ctrl-H gets you a little help. |
| 18:59:36 | blended | thnx |
| 18:59:41 | a7r | pyditor's only problem is the fact that it doesn't have any on the fly dialogue. |
| 18:59:45 | cworth | blended: take a look at Debian's elvis-tiny. I think it would be a good replacement of iv as the default Familiar editor. |
| 19:00:13 | a7r | cworth: you looked at ``mg'' yet? |
| 19:00:25 | nikos | is alergic to vi. |
| 19:00:29 | nikos | or even allergic |
| 19:02:03 | cworth | a7r: mg? no. an editor? |
| 19:02:16 | a7r | cworth: yup.. mini-emacs-like editor.. quite good. |
| 19:04:53 | blended | i noticed that in the ttf fonts dir there is no fonts.dir |
| 19:05:04 | a7r | it doesn't need one. |
| 19:05:05 | blended | also, i cant find where the post install script dumped the ttf fonts |
| 19:05:10 | blended | oh cool |
| 19:05:17 | a7r | /usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/ttf |
| 19:06:46 | blended | i also have /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts on my ipaq |
| 19:06:51 | blended | i assume both are used? |
| 19:18:52 | nikos | is away: Picking up my truck again (NOT lifting it) |
| 19:21:48 | blended | i noticed that when i specify a font for rxvt when i start it i get alot of space after the prompt and weird things liek that |
| 19:22:02 | blended | anyone know the proper way to specify font? |
| 19:22:11 | a7r | blended; rxvt is buggered like that.. run postinst and use "Andale Mono" as your font. |
| 19:23:58 | blended | cool, that works much better |
| 19:24:05 | blended | how do i set the size? |
| 19:24:24 | blended | just tapped his monitor with the stylus by accident |
| 19:24:29 | blended | im loosing my mind |
| 20:21:06 | blended | i commented out the line in linuxrc that resets my date but when i reboot i still get a bad date |
| 20:21:13 | blended | now its sep something or other 1970 |
| 20:29:42 | blended | i dont get this |
| 20:29:50 | blended | any idea why the date gets changed when i reboot |
| 20:33:33 | Kero | blended: you set the hardware cock? |
| 20:33:47 | Kero | modprobe sa1100-rtc |
| 20:33:52 | Kero | hwclock --systohc |
| 20:34:07 | Kero | then reboot without taking battery off-line |
| 20:34:15 | Kero | then hwclock --hctosys |
| 20:40:08 | blended | hrmm i dont have hwclock |
| 20:43:40 | Demonishi | is away [Trying to relax and not freak out/l:on] |
| 20:44:35 | blended | Kero: where can i find hwclock? |
| 20:46:37 | Kero | hwclock is not available on fam v0.4 |
| 20:47:03 | Kero | probably has a binary from fam v0.3 on his main PC somewhere. |
| 20:47:22 | Kero | you could search the skiffs or compile it yourself on one. |
| 20:52:32 | nikos | is back |
| 22:09:14 | Demonishi | is back [TE/gone: 1h25m35s] |
| 22:14:48 | newbie- | hi |
| 22:15:56 | nikos | Hello |
| 22:29:55 | Demonishi | is away [*sighs* bank....../l:on] |
| 22:59:11 | Demonishi | is back [TE/gone: 29m15s] |