| 00:38:38 | boodle | a7r/cworth: fyi, foal ipkg still downloading fscrib ipkg instead |
| 01:06:10 | Demonishi | is away [Getting alocholic drinks/l:on] |
| 01:53:15 | Demonishi | is back [TE/gone: 47m5s] |
| 01:56:44 | edwardam | Demonishi: yeh! |
| 01:56:52 | Demonishi | hey |
| 01:58:02 | edwardam | Demonishi: how go the ipkg docs? |
| 01:58:30 | Demonishi | edwardam: There will be something out soon =.) |
| 02:34:11 | edwardam | Demonishi: have you tried pypaq ? |
| 02:34:18 | Demonishi | Nope. |
| 02:35:04 | edwardam | Demonishi: hmm .. Okay .. Well if you ever need an mp3 gui for the ipaq .. check it out and let me know what you think. |
| 02:35:13 | edwardam | It will be re-released under the name scream soon BTW. |
| 02:35:27 | Demonishi | edwardam: I no longer have an ipaq. I gotta buy one |
| 02:37:51 | edwardam | Demonishi: what happened ? |
| 03:54:25 | edwardamZzZzZz | is away: ZzZzZz |
| 04:26:56 | Demonishi | is away [autogone:60/l:on] |
| 04:30:19 | edwardam | is away: I'm busy |
| 04:30:21 | edwardam | is back (gone 00:00:02) |
| 04:33:54 | edwardam | is away: ZzZzZz |
| 06:41:30 | dLux | Hello! |
| 06:42:03 | a7r | dLux: Hi. |
| 06:42:30 | dLux | a7r: What is the status of familiar 4.1? Is it the official "unstable" ? |
| 06:42:43 | dLux | a7r: I saw the directory in the ftp, that's why I ask... |
| 06:42:53 | a7r | dLux: it's not available yet.. the latest is v0.4 |
| 06:43:34 | dLux | a7r: ok. Then I will install v0.4. Why don't you include osloader.exe and bootloader-*0c0* versions in familiar? |
| 06:44:33 | a7r | dLux: because I don't consider that part of the installation step.. I really didn't even want to include bootloader instructions, but it was kind of necessary. |
| 06:45:13 | dLux | a7r: Hmmm. ok. But, you know if someone want to install it for PocketPC... |
| 06:45:49 | dLux | a7r: But ok, I understand. But it is not so elegant that the first step of the installation points to the HH distrib install guide... |
| 06:45:56 | a7r | dLux: then they can follow the bootloader installation steps that there's a link to. |
| 06:46:20 | a7r | dLux: the HH distrib is no more.. one of the steps that needs to happen is the bootloader to be moved into its own distribution directory. |
| 06:47:02 | dLux | a7r: Yes, it is a good idea, I support it... |
| 06:49:43 | jacques | bootldr != familiar after all |
| 06:50:21 | a7r | yeah.. Familiar should just say ``you need to run x bootloader, see this page.'' |
| 06:50:23 | dLux | jacques: ok, ok! |
| 06:51:00 | jacques | perhaps one day there will be more than one bootloader which can be used |
| 06:51:13 | jacques | of course, then support will get that much more complex |
| 06:59:35 | dLux | wow. I finally managed to install bootloader... |
| 07:01:05 | jacques | jeezus H. |
| 07:01:15 | jacques | the ipaq list is starting to depress me |
| 07:01:28 | a7r | jacques: you mean w/ all the morons? |
| 07:01:45 | a7r | yeah.. believe me, people don't like going NT. |
| 07:01:59 | a7r | well, maybe Arnie and the fuckfaces where we work.. but artists don't like it. |
| 07:02:11 | a7r | er.. |
| 07:04:13 | jacques | a7r: yes. depressing. |
| 07:04:22 | a7r | jacques: yeah, I don't get what the deal is. |
| 07:04:33 | a7r | I think it's just the mainstream coming to use it. |
| 07:04:59 | jacques | a7r: why would a person decide to install linux on their ipaq - a whole new OS, not know anything about unix/linux, get stuck and immediately decide to go back to wince??? |
| 07:05:18 | jacques | not follow the instructions and screw up their ipaq |
| 07:05:20 | a7r | jacques: yeah.. because they're fucking lazy. |
| 07:05:39 | a7r | A guy I knew bought an iPAQ, and then realized he had to do work to make it super sexy w/ Linux, so he returned it. |
| 07:06:28 | jacques | what I don;t understand is wher these non-unix ppl even find out about linux on the ipaq? |
| 07:06:37 | jacques | they would never install it on their desktop |
| 07:06:55 | jacques | something here does not add up at all |
| 07:07:02 | a7r | how do you know they aren't Linux people? |
| 07:07:43 | jacques | well they guy today said "and then it said setup networking and I have no idea how to do that" |
| 07:07:52 | a7r | oh, that one. |
| 07:08:03 | a7r | yeah.. well.. people sell them Linux like it somehow saves the world. |
| 07:08:18 | jacques | "so I immediately tried reverting to wince and bricked it" |
| 07:08:36 | a7r | Yeah.. I had to hold back a flame. |
| 07:09:02 | a7r | those people deserve a ``too fucking bad'' response. |
| 07:09:08 | jacques | why would someone spend $550 on an ipaq and then risk it by installing linux if they have no more commitment than that? |
| 07:10:04 | jacques | did I miss the part of the hh site that says "please try this even if you are totally ignorant - there is no risk whatsoever and you can revert at a moment's notice!" |
| 07:10:11 | dLux | guys! familiar improved so much, even in the installation method also... |
| 07:10:19 | a7r | dLux: great. |
| 07:11:08 | jacques | heh, alan cox does still read the ipaq lists |
| 07:12:04 | dLux | a7r: which kernel I should use? fam1 or fam2? |
| 07:12:10 | a7r | -fam2 |
| 07:13:15 | a7r | I need to take a break from Familiar for a couple days, and work on my IMAP server. |
| 07:14:13 | jacques | a7r: what's your imap server? |
| 07:14:48 | a7r | jacques: it's called soyuz.. I haven't made an official release of it yet. |
| 07:15:21 | pergj | a7r: any interesting key-features? |
| 07:15:52 | a7r | pergj: light weight and simple.. Maildir based. I wanted something w/ less code than Courier-IMAP |
| 07:15:58 | jacques | a7r: sounds to fern for me. maybe if it was called chevy or applepie |
| 07:16:08 | a7r | grins. |
| 07:16:37 | a7r | I've gotta make an excuse to get the OS X developer tools going. |
| 07:16:53 | jacques | a7r: ahh, it's for OS X? |
| 07:17:05 | a7r | jacques: it's for anything POSIX |
| 07:17:58 | jacques | a7r: cool |
| 07:18:04 | a7r | developed on OpenBSD |
| 07:18:58 | a7r | the only thing OS X is missing right now is the KAME IPv6 stack.. besides that, it's amazing. |
| 07:21:34 | jacques | a7r: seriously. it's amazing? |
| 07:22:01 | jacques | a7r: I am really wanting to know. thing is, a guy at my office got it and it was crashing left and right, esp in tcp stuff |
| 07:22:16 | a7r | jacques: it's got issues.. but it's become my new desktop OS alongside OBSD. |
| 07:22:21 | jacques | a7r: this was when it first came out, before first service pack or whatver |
| 07:22:33 | a7r | I stopped running Mac OS 9 and Linux on my desktop because of it. |
| 07:22:57 | jacques | a7r: wow. that's a serious endorsement |
| 07:22:59 | a7r | jacques: Nod.. I had it crash on me for the first time today.. it's been totally rock solid besides that. |
| 07:23:25 | a7r | also, it needs better disk caching and buffer.. |
| 07:24:09 | a7r | OBSD still owns it from a UNIX side of things.. but I can play QuickTimes in UNIX, run IE and all my old MacOS apps, while being able to build my POSIX code, and use the new fancy developer tools. |
| 07:25:17 | jacques | a7r: they got gcc working on it? |
| 07:25:27 | a7r | jacques: yeah.. the whole thing is built w/ gcc |
| 07:26:13 | jacques | a7r: so, this is a toolchain that I could download? |
| 07:26:35 | a7r | jacques: yup.. but there's no need to, OS X comes default w/ all teh developer tools. |
| 07:27:23 | jacques | a7r: Hmmmmmm. /me is thinking of getting a mac |
| 07:27:42 | jacques | a7r: I heard OSX does not run well on Ti yet |
| 07:27:58 | a7r | jacques: My dad runs it on his.. what issues have you heard about? |
| 07:30:11 | jacques | a7r: power management, sound |
| 07:30:23 | a7r | sound works fine.. powermanagement works, although not as well as OS 9. |
| 07:30:43 | jacques | a7r: interesting. |
| 07:32:28 | dLux | a7r: Is OSX installable for i386 notebooks? |
| 07:32:34 | a7r | no. |
| 07:32:38 | a7r | it's PowerPC only. |
| 07:35:56 | dLux | Don't you know why the transfer is better in osloader than before? Is it because of newer osloader, my kernel upgrade (I am using 2.4.4 right now) or what? There was a lot of errors in the transfer screen, but now there is nothing... |
| 07:36:16 | a7r | a lot of changes have been made. |
| 07:36:19 | dLux | ... just the counter is spinning... |
| 07:36:31 | dLux | a7r: including the transfer code? |
| 07:37:56 | a7r | dLux: most likely. |
| 07:40:51 | dLux | a7r: Good news... |
| 07:41:01 | dLux | a7r: Are you using CF or udrive? |
| 07:41:18 | a7r | dLux: both, and neither.. it depends. |
| 07:45:02 | dLux | a7r: Do you have problems with sleep? |
| 07:45:15 | a7r | dLux: what do you mean? |
| 07:45:16 | dLux | a7r: I mean fs corruption, etc... |
| 07:45:21 | a7r | no. |
| 07:45:40 | dLux | a7r: Then ok. |
| 07:46:04 | dLux | a7r: When can we test the next unstable version? |
| 07:46:50 | dLux | is just importing a mysql database, which is 990M |
| 07:47:14 | a7r | dLux; you can test right now by changing over to the unstable feed. |
| 07:48:28 | dLux | a7r: ql. ipkg system is really good then! |
| 07:49:02 | dLux | ooops... I got "NAK on sector" messages again... |
| 11:25:42 | mallum | cworth: ......? |
| 12:01:22 | nelson | a7r: soyuz sounds cool. |
| 12:06:15 | edwardam | is back (gone 07:32:21) |
| 12:14:43 | cworth | mallum: what's up? |
| 12:18:33 | mallum | cworth: hi |
| 12:18:44 | mallum | cworth: did you get the src I sent you ? |
| 12:19:12 | cworth | mallum: yes, just now as I checked mail I'll try it out soon. |
| 12:20:22 | mallum | cworth: cool. Be aware the coed still needs a little cleaning up |
| 12:20:37 | cworth | mallum: nod. what code doesn't... ;-) |
| 12:20:39 | mallum | cworth: But I welcome any advice on it ..... My c aint brilliant ;) |
| 14:21:34 | cworth | mallum: still around? |
| 14:22:37 | cworth | ah, guess not. |
| 14:32:32 | Demonishi | is back [TE/gone: 10h5m37s] |
| 15:01:01 | vh | Umm, there's already v0.4.1 in the ftp directory, what's that? a patch level v1? |
| 15:01:18 | nikos | It will be a bugfix release yes. |
| 15:01:53 | vh | Hmm, any real problems with 0.5, worth wasting a flash rom ...? |
| 15:02:01 | nikos | 0.5? |
| 15:02:19 | vh | 0.5 is the unstable I believe? |
| 15:02:19 | nikos | There is no 0.5 release yet. |
| 15:02:33 | nikos | Well, not exactly. |
| 15:02:51 | vh | somehow I got that picture by reading handhelds.org. |
| 15:03:30 | nikos | a7r has set us up with a system where we work in feeds, a stable feed for stable packages, an unstable feed for questionable packages. Periodically snapshots are made of the stable feed, and that would be a release. |
| 15:03:43 | vh | that directory just exists on familiar.handhelds.org (ftp) |
| 15:03:58 | vh | permission flags just deny accessing the dir.. upcoming release? |
| 15:04:04 | nikos | Which? v0.5? |
| 15:04:25 | nikos | I don't think there is any real content in the directory at this time. |
| 15:04:34 | nikos | release/v0.4.1 or releases/v0.5 |
| 15:04:48 | nikos | feeds/stable and feeds/unstable have packages and you are welcome to subscribe to whatever you like. |
| 15:05:09 | nikos | by modifying /etc/ipkg.conf |
| 15:09:07 | vh | ok. |
| 15:09:19 | vh | Just now getting the sources from cvs rep. |
| 16:22:57 | nikos | is away: Errands |
| 16:33:05 | Demonishi | is away [Movie *sighs*/l:on] |
| 16:39:39 | ladyada | yo |
| 17:28:45 | nikos | is back |
| 18:01:27 | edwardam | is away: dentist :-( |
| 18:06:42 | Demonishi | is back [TE/gone: 1h33m37s] |
| 19:55:17 | edwardam | is back (gone 01:53:48) |
| 22:26:53 | Demonishi | is away [autogone:60/l:on] |
| 22:34:31 | Demonishi | is back [TE/gone: 7m37s] |
| 23:22:45 | tvraman | jim --I'm back --started hacking the speech-enabled extension in emacspeak for my IRC client, and all hell broke loose --which is why I disconnected. So you were saying aeronet card would require latest drivers --I assume familiar 0.4 plus something out of CVS? I should probably install myself a cross-compile env on my Linux box? |
| 23:39:57 | tvraman | help |
| 23:40:08 | tvraman | /help channels |
| 23:48:29 | jg | tvraman: from what I saw on the kernel mailing list, there have been recent bug fixes to the aironet driver in general. |
| 23:55:43 | tvraman | thanks. |