| 03:46:36 | edwardam | is away: ZzZzZz |
| 17:11:45 | boodle | is back (gone 01:17:16) |
| 18:28:04 | mallum | anyone think of an X app you CANT resize ? |
| 18:33:04 | edwardam | mallum: anything in mwm :-) |
| 18:33:08 | edwardam | err |
| 18:33:09 | edwardam | twm |
| 18:37:42 | mallum | hmm, think there parts of the wm |
| 18:37:51 | mallum | can you think of an actual app ? |
| 18:38:10 | edwardam | mallum: I know ... I was jk |
| 18:39:30 | edwardam | mallum: fscrib ... But that because of the type of window it creates |
| 18:39:51 | BBrox | mallum: well, with any gtk application you can specify a minimum window size |
| 18:41:08 | edwardam | BBrox: and you can set a window to not be able to grow/shrink ... But That mayu only set wm hints |
| 18:41:51 | mallum | yeah I need to check an apps source to find out how to do it |
| 18:41:59 | mallum | I think Im sending the right hints........ |
| 18:42:45 | cworth | mallum: I think you're taking the wrong approach here.... making the keyboard work with the size it's given shouldn't be too hard... |
| 18:42:54 | edwardam | s/mayu only set/sets/ |
| 18:43:44 | cworth | mallum: here's an idea for you: Keyboard layout is an array of key objects. Each key object can have fixed or rubber width... |
| 18:44:51 | cworth | mallum: you take the total width you are given and divide by the number of keys to get the fixed width, then all the rubber keys get to divide up what is left. |
| 18:45:07 | cworth | mallum: hrm... I said that wrong, but hopefully you get the idea. |
| 18:45:32 | mallum | cworth: it harder than it sounds |
| 18:45:50 | mallum | cworth: all the buttons can be different widths |
| 18:46:28 | cworth | mallum: or you could be simpler and just slap a percentage width onto each key, (a bit harder to maintain that way). |
| 18:47:16 | cworth | mallum: is your code in CVS yet? |
| 18:47:24 | mallum | cworth: yep |
| 18:47:35 | mallum | cworth: one sec, I'll commit the latest |
| 18:47:42 | cworth | mallum: great |
| 18:48:25 | mallum | cworth: ok apps/xkbd |
| 18:49:51 | cworth | mallum: BTW, would you like my ion input_hint patch? I'm preparing to send it to Tuomo now/ |
| 18:51:37 | mallum | cworth: yeah sure, Id be interested to see it |
| 18:53:05 | cworth | mallum: OK. you should get an email soon. |
| 18:53:13 | mallum | cworth: cool |
| 18:59:17 | boodle | edwardam: found the next_song problem.. status not addressed in new layout.. was a global var.. changing to reside in player class |
| 19:08:05 | edwardam | boodle: ahh cool |
| 19:08:18 | edwardam | is really sick of Act! and JSPs ... |
| 19:10:05 | boodle | edwardam: working :) |
| 19:10:58 | boodle | edwardam: do you have a min. on streaming stuff? |
| 19:11:01 | edwardam | boodle: me? I'm working. Or is scream skipping to the next song working? |
| 19:11:12 | edwardam | boodle: yes .. I have a minute ... I need to rest my brain :-) |
| 19:11:13 | boodle | edwardam: heh sorry, scream next_song() working |
| 19:11:30 | mallum | cworth: are you planning on making ion hounour min/max size requests ? |
| 19:12:04 | edwardam | brb ... grabbing drink |
| 19:12:05 | boodle | edwardam: ok.. I'm to where I need to design a new interface for streams.. what I really mean is the 'playlist' tab.. I'd like to turn it into something else when 'Stream mode' selected (from a menu) |
| 19:13:44 | boodle | edwardam: I'm thinking of something kinda similar to 'playlist' tab with the following changes.. when you hit the + button, it then greps the servers and lists them (no biggie there but won't be gtktreelist (thank goodness ;)) but for main 'playlist' window itself... just another list and when user clicks on a given entry they 'tune in' |
| 19:15:02 | edwardam | boodle: How about ... |
| 19:15:46 | edwardam | boodle: adding either a radiogroup to the top of the window that comes up when you hit '+' (I forget the name at the moment) ... or instead of a radiogroup a listbox ... |
| 19:16:36 | edwardam | the listbox/radiogroup should consist of 'files' (and we could break this out to different file locations eventually) 'Icecast', 'shoutcast', etc... |
| 19:16:40 | boodle | edwardam: fyi, here's a samplle of what I grep from icecast: 63.200.123.140 8000 Collective_Soul Default genre 32 kbps 0/90 users |
| 19:16:53 | cworth | mallum: sure, what's the hint mechanism for this? |
| 19:17:20 | edwardam | then depending on what the selection is ... the 'right' thing is displayed where the GtkTree is now |
| 19:17:25 | boodle | edwardam: that has server, port, name, genre, bitrate, userinfo |
| 19:17:33 | mallum | cworth: XSetWMSizeHints |
| 19:17:45 | edwardam | for files we'll put the tree in ... for a 'stram' we'll put in something else ... maybe a GtkCList |
| 19:18:06 | cworth | mallum: ah yes. should have remembered that... |
| 19:18:36 | boodle | edwardam: I have a menu radiogroup doing same kind of thing.. Mode -> mp3 or stream |
| 19:18:43 | mallum | cworth: I didn't remember it - just copy'd and pasted it from my code ;) |
| 19:18:57 | edwardam | boodle: I just think we may want to do it in the playlist modification window |
| 19:19:03 | edwardam | err |
| 19:19:11 | edwardam | the window that pops up when you hit '+' |
| 19:19:19 | boodle | edwardam: well this way it allows for future ui changes even in 1st window.. |
| 19:19:19 | mallum | cworth: if you get a chance to look at my code, I appreciate any input |
| 19:19:54 | edwardam | boodle: yeah ... but it makes it seem like it's a one or the other type of thing, which I'm not sure of |
| 19:19:55 | mallum | cworth: I really think if I have to do resizes I'll do it with gtk ( and c not python ) |
| 19:19:55 | boodle | edwardam: we really can't mix modes and I think menu's a bit cleaner.. then the 2nd tab changes between modes.. yes on GtkCList |
| 19:20:08 | edwardam | boodle: okay ... |
| 19:20:36 | boodle | edwardam: also it allows for first tab to change too (which it really ought to be labeled a bit differently etc.. not a biggie) |
| 19:20:39 | edwardam | boodle: Agreed then ... (I made up my mind) ... Modes in menu it is ... yeack you've already coded part of it |
| 19:21:03 | edwardam | s/yeack/heck/ |
| 19:21:08 | boodle | edwardam: I've got the foundation.. and now that we've hashed out 2nd tab I know how to continue |
| 19:21:34 | edwardam | boodle: wanna send me a diff or something vs. CVS and tell me what to work on? |
| 19:21:52 | edwardam | or do you wanna tackle most of it? |
| 19:22:05 | cworth | mallum: will do. BTW, a quick grep shows that ion never calls XGetWMSizeHints, so that work will be from scratch, (shouldn't be too hard actually). |
| 19:22:30 | boodle | edwardam: well I've got it going so no biggie.. shouldn't take me too much longer 2-3 days for icecast/mp3 modes fully changed over (then shoutcast trivial ;) |
| 19:22:46 | boodle | measures the length of the rope with which he loops over a tree |
| 19:23:22 | edwardam | boodle: If you've got it I'll work on something else then. What else do you think we should add to scream ? |
| 19:23:24 | boodle | edwardam: I'm also cleaning up some of my old cruft that you commented out and wondered about |
| 19:23:31 | boodle | edwardam: skins :) |
| 19:23:51 | mallum | cworeth: cool. |
| 19:23:51 | boodle | edwardam: or getting away from glade with your Mixin idea :) |
| 19:24:20 | edwardam | boodle: The best bet would be for me to probably play with the mixin idea. I can use that everywhere :-) |
| 19:24:27 | boodle | edwardam: seriously with skins + a better dynamic resizing thingy.. scream would be nice for non ipaq platform too! |
| 19:24:31 | mallum | cworth: Are you really picking all this stuff up from just the X Docs ? |
| 19:24:42 | cworth | mallum: yes, GTK would be easier for resizing, (you'd also pick up 3D-stlye buttons too) |
| 19:24:56 | cworth | mallum: umm... yes. |
| 19:25:00 | edwardam | boodle: We also need to check your mix module code into CVS and any of your ipkg files |
| 19:25:11 | boodle | edwardam: ok |
| 19:25:26 | boodle | edwardam: have you toyed with glade pixmaps + pygtk at all? |
| 19:25:27 | mallum | cworth: yes. though I wont change the xlib only version - the gtk will be a seperate app |
| 19:25:39 | boodle | edwardam: e.g. pixmap buttons |
| 19:25:41 | edwardam | boodle: Which reminds me Do you have an i386 copy of the mix module? |
| 19:25:45 | cworth | mallum: good idea |
| 19:26:10 | mallum | cworth: because the xlib version could be nice when the transparent stuff get sorted out |
| 19:26:13 | edwardam | boodle: I think pixmap skins needs some of the gnome libs ... but I'm not sure ... Unless we do them by hand (which I think we can) |
| 19:26:36 | mallum | cwroth: do you have a lot of c programming experience ? |
| 19:26:43 | boodle | edwardam: http://ipaq.sytes.net/ipaq/mixmodule-i386.so |
| 19:27:06 | cworth | mallum: xkbd segfaults if atari-small isn't around. |
| 19:27:08 | boodle | edwardam: well really skins is one of my kinda farfetched things but I'd like to try for it sometime |
| 19:27:36 | boodle | edwardam: put that in your python/lib-dynload directory as 'mixmodule.so' |
| 19:27:50 | mallum | cworth: yeah I gotta sort that ...... try xkbd -f 6x13 |
| 19:27:54 | cworth | mallum: a bit here and there. |
| 19:28:00 | edwardam | boodle: done. Now I should be able to test on laptop. :-) and use it instead of XMMS. :-) |
| 19:28:10 | boodle | edwardam: as do I :-) |
| 19:28:18 | edwardam | boodle: oh ... do you have an i386 madplay of the right version ? |
| 19:28:21 | cworth | mallum: oh, I got past it already, (I guessed with "xkbd -fn fixed"). Just thought I'd let you know. |
| 19:28:31 | boodle | edwardam: sure.. just a sec |
| 19:28:41 | cworth | mallum: it works just fine with my patched ion too, (in terms of focus and event sending) |
| 19:28:56 | mallum | cworth: cool, just looks a bit ugly |
| 19:29:32 | boodle | edwardam: http://ipaq.sytes.net/ipaq/madplay-386 |
| 19:29:36 | boodle | edwardam: http://ipaq.sytes.net/ipaq/madtime-386 |
| 19:29:41 | mallum | cworth: or I guess it could look ok with the right font ............... |
| 19:29:45 | boodle | edwardam: http://ipaq.sytes.net/ipaq/madtime-i386 |
| 19:29:48 | boodle | edwardam: http://ipaq.sytes.net/ipaq/madtime-i386 |
| 19:29:50 | boodle | oops :) |
| 19:30:13 | gjg | hmm..you know what would be a rad feature of ion? |
| 19:30:18 | boodle | edwardam: heh, they're not stripped |
| 19:31:03 | cworth | gjg: yes? |
| 19:31:24 | edwardam | boodle: madtime ?? |
| 19:32:08 | gjg | cworth: not necessily just for the ipaq. but being able to split frames vertically or horizontally. like one big frame and then split sub frames. |
| 19:33:04 | boodle | edwardam: you betcha! that's how I can fast forward + rewind in scream.. it's a part of the madplay-bleed ipkg and required by scream |
| 19:33:17 | boodle | edwardam: need to know exact song length |
| 19:33:46 | edwardam | boodle: makes sense ... I really haven't spent much time going over the controller code ... mostly because it worked sooooo well. |
| 19:34:09 | boodle | edwardam: that was the 'fun' part ;) |
| 19:34:34 | edwardam | boodle: heh ... I can imagine ... I re-wrote the original controller three different ways ... |
| 19:34:52 | boodle | edwardam: it would've been a whole lot easier with mpg123 with all the hooks it has but not the same snd quality + floating point.. |
| 19:35:07 | edwardam | boodle: yep |
| 19:38:07 | edwardam | boodle: Scream works well on my laptop :-) |
| 19:38:34 | boodle | edwardam: great! |
| 19:38:36 | mallum | cworth: how does the keyboard look on ion ? |
| 19:38:50 | edwardam | boodle: I need to add the patch for the next song ... What variable was it ? status ? |
| 19:39:28 | boodle | edwardam: if you like.. since it doesn't spew gore, I can up my current stuff to cvs.. you'll get a non-functional mode menu and that's it |
| 19:39:40 | edwardam | boodle: cool ... :-) |
| 19:40:05 | boodle | disabling experimental cruft |
| 19:40:19 | edwardam | boodle: lemme tag the current version first |
| 19:40:45 | cworth | gjg: I can email you a patch for that if you would like it. |
| 19:40:52 | boodle | edwardam: ok |
| 19:41:08 | gjg | cworth: bring it on. |
| 19:41:45 | mallum | X crashed |
| 19:42:54 | cworth | types "mail gjg < /dev/null" |
| 19:43:31 | gjg | haha |
| 19:43:57 | mallum | cworth: sorry, how does the keyboard look in ion ? |
| 19:44:58 | cworth | mallum: I'm running xkbd on my i386 machine with ion. It looks fine, it just draws itself in the upper-left corner of whatever window-size I give it. |
| 19:47:08 | mallum | cworth: ok, I just thinking - there must be a font that would make the keyboard approx 320 pixels wide and it would not 'waste' so much space |
| 19:47:33 | edwardam | okay ... cvs users ... can I get a clue? |
| 19:47:38 | mallum | cworth: also well done on getting the Input stuff working on ion |
| 19:48:05 | edwardam | how can I tag the remote version (i.e. what's in cvs now)? cvs rtag <dirname> ? |
| 19:50:09 | edwardam | anyone know ? |
| 19:50:26 | cworth | mallum: thanks... but see my followup mail now. :-P |
| 19:50:47 | mallum | edwardam: I have my cvs ref open ........... |
| 19:51:01 | cworth | later all |
| 19:51:13 | mallum | bye cworth |
| 19:52:32 | edwardam | mallum: looking ... not sure if I just tagged the dir or everything in it |
| 19:52:34 | boodle | edwardam: http://www.loria.fr/~molli/cvs/doc/cvs_16.html#SEC144 |
| 19:53:43 | boodle | edwardam: in viewcvs, scream_handlers.py showing as 1.4, scream.glade + scream_playlist.py as 1.3 |
| 19:53:52 | edwardam | okay cvs rtag PRE_STREAMING scream everything seems to be tagged |
| 19:54:13 | edwardam | boodle: that's okay ... I made more changes to scream_handlers than scream_playlist |
| 19:54:37 | boodle | edwardam: ok.. dunno if it's what you expect but hope it helps :) |
| 19:54:41 | edwardam | now just to verify that means that I can later on checkout the tagged version of these files later. |
| 19:55:05 | edwardam | and boodle can checkin now and his new files won't get tagged as well? |
| 19:55:57 | edwardam | does not use CVS much (no duh) ... and should be considered cvs stupid ... |
| 19:56:20 | boodle | sees edwardam as a cvs expert in comparison |
| 19:57:21 | mallum | is crap at cvs too |
| 19:57:36 | edwardam | ahhh yes |
| 19:57:37 | edwardam | that works |
| 19:57:51 | edwardam | I just added a bs loine to scream_application and used cvs view to verify the tags |
| 19:57:52 | edwardam | cool |
| 19:58:30 | edwardam | boodle feel free to checking (We can always get back to a PRE_STREAMING verison now) |
| 19:58:42 | boodle | edwardam: ok |
| 19:58:52 | boodle | edwardam: umm.. how to login again? |
| 19:59:24 | edwardam | boodle can you ssh to handhelds.org ? |
| 19:59:39 | boodle | edwardam: yes |
| 19:59:43 | edwardam | boodle: and login via your identify/id_dsa/id_rsa.pub files ? |
| 19:59:49 | edwardam | boodle: i.e. without a password ? |
| 20:00:23 | boodle | edwardam: um no.. how do I set that up |
| 20:00:36 | edwardam | boodle: do you have a public ssh key ? |
| 20:00:50 | boodle | edwardam: um um um... :) don't think so |
| 20:01:04 | edwardam | boodle: look in ~/.ssh on the machine you want to use |
| 20:01:24 | boodle | there |
| 20:01:35 | edwardam | there should be an identity.pub (for v1 protocol) ... or and id_dsa.pub and id_rsa.pub files |
| 20:01:39 | edwardam | which ones are there ? |
| 20:01:50 | boodle | neither :( |
| 20:02:06 | edwardam | none ? okay .. what version of ssh are you using ? |
| 20:02:15 | boodle | openssh |
| 20:02:49 | edwardam | version ? |
| 20:02:57 | boodle | OpenSSH_2.5.2p2, SSH protocols 1.5/2.0, OpenSSL 0x0090600f |
| 20:03:25 | boodle | ssh-keygen? |
| 20:03:56 | edwardam | yeah ... but with |
| 20:05:03 | edwardam | ssh-keygen -t dsa ... ummm ... hold on a sec |
| 20:05:08 | boodle | ok |
| 20:05:36 | edwardam | "ssh-keygen -t dsa" and "ssh-keygen -t rsa" Will create both dsa and rsa keys for V2 of the ssh protocol |
| 20:06:14 | edwardam | once that is done you should have ~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub and ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub files |
| 20:06:48 | boodle | got them |
| 20:06:50 | edwardam | scp ~/.ssh/id*pub <username@>handhelds.org:/home/<username> |
| 20:07:39 | edwardam | then "ssh handhelds.org" |
| 20:07:50 | boodle | it won't let me copy them in.. my pwd not working |
| 20:08:20 | edwardam | boodle: are your username on this machine the same as on hh.org ? and did you specify your username |
| 20:08:47 | boodle | scp ~/.ssh/id*pub gberenfield@handhelds.org:/home/gberenfield |
| 20:09:00 | boodle | I'm logged in locally as a different user |
| 20:09:23 | edwardam | hold on a sec |
| 20:09:34 | edwardam | ahh |
| 20:09:35 | boodle | also I did enter passphrases on ssh-keygen (and they were diff. than what you gave me for hh.org) |
| 20:09:48 | edwardam | scp ~/.ssh/id*pub <username@>handhelds.org:/home/users/<username> |
| 20:09:54 | boodle | heh ok |
| 20:09:59 | edwardam | boodle: keys don't matter (yet) |
| 20:10:38 | edwardam | boodle: once they copy ssh into hh.org |
| 20:10:39 | boodle | gberenfield@handhelds.org's password: |
| 20:10:39 | boodle | Permission denied, please try again. |
| 20:10:39 | boodle | gberenfield@handhelds.org's password: |
| 20:10:39 | boodle | Permission denied, please try again. |
| 20:10:39 | boodle | gberenfield@handhelds.org's password: |
| 20:10:41 | boodle | Permission denied (publickey,password). |
| 20:10:43 | boodle | lost connection |
| 20:10:45 | boodle | [root@razor .ssh]# |
| 20:34:59 | nikos | boodle: Have you tried to FTP? |
| 20:35:12 | edwardam | nikos: we solved the problem |
| 20:35:13 | boodle | nikos: fraid not.. gotta run right now. |
| 20:35:17 | edwardam | err |
| 20:35:20 | edwardam | I thought we did |
| 20:35:28 | nikos | Hmm, whatever. ;) |
| 20:35:32 | edwardam | :-) |
| 20:35:39 | edwardam | bbl |
| 20:35:46 | nikos | He's in the system at least. |
| 20:36:08 | edwardam | nikos: yeah ... he didn't know his password or something ... so I put his pub keys in place for him |
| 20:36:21 | edwardam | bbl |
| 20:36:50 | edwardam | is away: RandR |
| 21:29:33 | nikos | Cool screenshots of an application created with Squeak: http://minnow.cc.gatech.edu/squeak/1794 |
| 21:48:20 | kyle_ | is away: I'm busy |
| 22:16:03 | kyle_ | is back (gone 00:27:36) |