| 07:44:34 | darkworm | anyone awake ? |
| 08:37:44 | vh | ye |
| 09:43:42 | jjc | I've just installed familiar 0.4, and I cannot get my CF memory card working |
| 09:44:07 | jjc | Can anybody help? |
| 09:45:03 | jjc | It looks like an /sbin/ide-info file is missing from the pcmcia-cs package |
| 11:32:39 | cworth | good morning |
| 11:54:09 | serialdev | hi all |
| 11:57:39 | mpakula | hi qflash returns 00000000 do i have to reset pda to protect it manually |
| 14:15:37 | cworth | re |
| 14:15:38 | nikos | Hey |
| 14:15:54 | nikos | Fighting my worst install yet in #ipaq. |
| 14:16:20 | cworth | nikos: not dead yet though, right? ;) |
| 14:16:59 | nikos | No, very true. |
| 14:17:09 | nikos | We have a bootloader. Can't seem to get past that though. |
| 14:20:33 | vh | nikos, on what? |
| 14:20:49 | nikos | vh: Huh? |
| 14:43:14 | nikos | boot> set linuxargs "noinitrd root=/dev/mtdblock/3 init=/linuxrc console=ttySA0" |
| 14:43:58 | nikos | Is that necessarily right in all cases? |
| 14:46:41 | boodle | nikos: looks right to me. is mpakula trying anything different than normal fam. install? |
| 14:46:52 | nikos | The complete image, but otherwise no. |
| 14:47:15 | nikos | I'm suspecting corrupted image, despite md5sum verification. |
| 14:47:25 | boodle | ok |
| 14:54:47 | nikos | <mpakula> Bootldr Partition: "bootldr", 0x00000000-0x00040000 |
| 14:54:47 | nikos | <mpakula> Bootldr Partition: "params", 0x00040000-0x00080000 |
| 14:54:47 | nikos | <mpakula> Bootldr Partition: "kernel", 0x00080000-0x00100000 |
| 14:54:47 | nikos | <mpakula> Bootldr Partition: "root", 0x00100000-0x00100000 |
| 14:54:50 | nikos | <mpakula> SA1100 flash access initialized |
| 14:55:01 | nikos | kernel and root aren't right there. Right? |
| 14:55:25 | nikos | should be 0x00080000-0x00080000 |
| 14:55:30 | nikos | for kernel |
| 14:58:38 | boodle | checking |
| 15:00:48 | boodle | nikos: looks like his root partition is 0 in size.. start/stop same.. ok if he used 24 at end iirc but shouldn't it show up correctly where he pasted |
| 15:05:28 | nikos | boodle: I don't understand the kernel output I pasted above. |
| 15:05:38 | nikos | boodle: It sure looks fine in 'partition show' |
| 15:05:49 | nikos | boodle: I'm going to ignore that for now I guess |
| 15:06:17 | boodle | agreed.. strange. I thought what you pasted above was start/top addresses, not start/size |
| 15:31:26 | serial | hello everyone |
| 15:32:08 | nikos | Hi serial |
| 15:33:30 | serial | hi nikos |
| 15:33:54 | serial | I was wondering if there is any chance of getting some hints with serial pcmcia cards |
| 15:36:15 | serial | anyone? |
| 15:36:43 | nikos | Like what? |
| 15:38:05 | serial | I've got a pcmcia gps module that I'm writing a program for, and since setserial doesn't work on the ipaq I've made some changes to the way /etc/pcmcia/serial initialises it |
| 15:38:23 | serial | I was wondering if it is correct/safe to do.. |
| 15:39:06 | serial | stty -F /dev/ttyS0 4800 |
| 15:39:29 | serial | where /dev/ttyS0 is what cardmgr tries to set it up as |
| 15:40:00 | serial | I haven't been able to test it yet, since I am still writing the program |
| 15:40:07 | nikos | serial: Sorry can't help you there. You might want to try #handhelds.org where the population is higher. Also be patient. |
| 15:40:21 | serial | ok |
| 15:40:24 | serial | thanks |
| 15:40:44 | serial | I'll try there now |
| 15:40:49 | serial | thanks again |
| 15:41:19 | nikos | Sure |
| 15:41:49 | nikos | serial: At the same time, you might be more likely to get a response from the ipaq@handhelds.org list also. |
| 15:42:52 | serial | ok |
| 15:42:52 | serial | thanks |
| 15:43:02 | serial | actually, one last question |
| 15:43:13 | serial | whatever happened to the skiffcluster? |
| 15:43:20 | serial | I can't seem to ping any of them |
| 15:43:30 | nikos | It's down for maintenance until Thursday or Friday. |
| 15:43:38 | serial | ahhh |
| 15:43:44 | serial | nods |
| 15:43:46 | nikos | Email was sent to the lists about it. |
| 15:44:12 | serial | Hmm, I can't recall seeing that one |
| 15:44:24 | nikos | serial: There have been 2 or 3 at least. |
| 15:44:25 | serial | ipaq@handhelds.org list? |
| 15:44:53 | nikos | There and linux@, yes |
| 15:45:02 | serial | ok |
| 15:45:36 | nikos | serial: See [iPAQ] skiff cluster from George France from 8:30PM EDT last night. |
| 15:45:54 | nikos | That's the latest. |
| 15:46:12 | nikos | There have been earlier messages this week and last week. |
| 15:46:15 | serial | I probably missed them due to just scanning over the topics of the emails |
| 15:46:42 | serial | np |
| 15:46:53 | vh | umm, what happened? |
| 15:47:21 | vh | originally someone said they'll be up on monday afternoon. |
| 15:47:55 | serial | looks like I'll have to get the cross-compiler going then for now :) |
| 15:48:48 | nikos | vh: I believe Tuesday was mentioned, then email was sent out last night that it is going to take until Thursday or Friday. |
| 15:49:10 | serial | brb |
| 15:52:22 | serial | better |
| 15:52:33 | serial | more than 1 window now |
| 15:56:31 | serial | hi ocrampal |
| 15:56:33 | serial | erk |
| 15:56:35 | serial | :) |
| 15:56:57 | serial | multiple windows, multiple problems |
| 15:57:15 | serial | (can't pick the right one to write in!) |
| 15:58:21 | cworth | serial: I've used: "(stty 4800; gps_program) < /dev/ttySA0" |
| 15:59:54 | nikos | cworth: Is it true that setserial is non-functional? |
| 16:00:12 | cworth | nikos: I don't know. |
| 16:02:42 | nikos | serial: Did you see cworth's comment above? |
| 16:05:14 | serial | cworth: thans |
| 16:05:17 | serial | thanks even |
| 16:05:53 | serial | ok |
| 16:48:16 | boodle | edwardam: Are you 'available' perchance |
| 16:49:26 | boodle | edwardam: I did it again.. solved :) nevermind :) |
| 16:59:43 | edwardam | boodle: heh |
| 17:23:46 | Garry | hi. does anyone know how to get the updates etc when installing when i have no network card or anything on my ipaq?? |
| 17:24:12 | nikos | Garry: USBnet, PPP, ethernet, wireless, etc., etc. |
| 17:24:44 | Garry | well all i have is the Serial connection to the computer. also, how would i set it all up? |
| 17:25:24 | nikos | http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/How%20to%20setup%20networking%20between%20a%20desktop%20PC%20and%20an%20iPAQ%20using%20the%20serial%20or%20USB%20cables |
| 17:26:19 | Garry | thanks, i will read and follow through |
| 18:06:48 | nikos | is away: errand |
| 18:21:33 | nikos | is back |
| 20:13:37 | gjg | did someone ever setup a PIM wiki page? |
| 20:14:35 | nikos | Don't know, try the search. |
| 20:14:42 | gjg | I will not. |
| 20:14:55 | nikos | Well, just be that way then. |
| 20:16:07 | gjg | looks like no. |
| 20:16:37 | nikos | Sounds about right, I sure don't remember one. |
| 20:17:39 | gjg | be good to have, for the sole purpose of seeing who was working on what. |
| 20:17:54 | gjg | I nominate nikos to create it |
| 20:18:00 | foo | I second that |
| 20:18:13 | gjg | motion carried. |
| 20:18:35 | nikos | is blind, deaf, and dumb. |
| 20:18:48 | nikos | and StructuredText-impaired. |
| 20:28:22 | gjg | Okay, who wants to give some mingle feedback to an idea. |
| 20:30:53 | gjg | nikos: Okay you win. |
| 20:31:09 | nikos | What's my prize? |
| 20:31:22 | gjg | You get to give feedback on a mingle change. |
| 20:31:23 | nikos | A custom Morph-developed wiki page? |
| 20:31:28 | gjg | HAHA |
| 20:31:55 | nikos | I'm listening, I doubt my advice is worth much though. |
| 20:32:01 | gjg | you've used it right? |
| 20:32:09 | nikos | Eh, no. ;( |
| 20:32:14 | gjg | Oh. |
| 20:32:18 | gjg | seen the screenshots? |
| 20:32:26 | nikos | I believe so yes. |
| 20:32:43 | gjg | do you think the buttons would be better was menu items? |
| 20:33:07 | nikos | gjg: URL to screenshots? |
| 20:33:20 | nikos | I need a little reminder. ;) |
| 20:34:05 | gjg | digs one up |
| 20:34:45 | gjg | damnit, a7r took one but it hides the main screen. |
| 20:34:48 | gjg | snaps a new one |
| 20:36:00 | gjg | haha import crashed xnset |
| 20:36:04 | gjg | xnest rather |
| 20:41:23 | gjg | http://gareth.wiked.org/mingle-main.jpg |
| 20:41:59 | nikos | OK, so how would you open the menu? |
| 20:42:16 | BBrox | What's that for a GUI ? |
| 20:42:32 | gjg | BBrox: thats mingle. |
| 20:42:42 | gjg | nikos: a top menu |
| 20:42:54 | nikos | gjg: Are you going to have a lot more items? |
| 20:43:07 | BBrox | gjg: I know, but what toolkit is used ? I did not know Gtk did rounded buttons :-) |
| 20:43:15 | nikos | gjg: What use would you make of the rest of the line? |
| 20:43:17 | gjg | BBrox: OH..gtk. thats the them. |
| 20:43:19 | gjg | er theme |
| 20:44:18 | gjg | nikos: im just plotting out a schedule manager and trying to make all the apps be similar in design to each other. if I use buttons in the schedule manager it'll be less space for the schedule items because the calendar widget is such a space hog. |
| 20:44:37 | gjg | BBrox: that is the flat theme, I tried it on the ipaq but it was too light :) |
| 20:45:12 | nikos | gjg: I'm just not sure how you regain space with a menu since you would still need space for at least one menu button. |
| 20:45:22 | nikos | gjg: How about laying out a mockup or something? |
| 20:45:34 | gjg | nikos: the menu would take less space than the buttons. |
| 20:45:51 | gjg | nikos: nod lemme try that. its not an issue in mingle but it would be in the schedule manager. |
| 20:46:06 | nikos | gjg: I don't see a problem with menus. If it gains you space, go for it. |
| 20:46:31 | nikos | gjg: As functions are added you would probably have to go that way anyway. |
| 20:46:41 | gjg | Yup..exactly. |
| 20:47:27 | nikos | I think I would like menus at the bottom though. That way I can open a menu without my hand obscuring the display. |
| 20:47:40 | gjg | hmm |
| 20:47:50 | gjg | that would be cool, lemme try that. I should do that with clerk too. |
| 20:47:55 | nikos | Depends on how you hold your hand and the PDA I guess though. |
| 20:48:13 | gjg | I dont know anyone that holds it from the top though :) |
| 20:48:19 | nikos | True. |
| 20:49:27 | gjg | the menu can go at the bottom. |
| 20:49:30 | gjg | tests this out. |
| 20:52:00 | nikos | Got a Mingle page yet? Someone on #ipaq is asking about PIM software. |
| 20:53:06 | gjg | there is info on familiar.handhelds.org I think. |
| 21:12:27 | | edwardam was last seen on #ipaq 19 minutes and 37 seconds ago, saying: bbl [Wed Jun 6 21:52:50 2001] |
| 21:12:27 | gjg | ibot: seen edwardam |
| 21:12:50 | gjg | need to ask him how sysset apps work. |
| 22:36:56 | kyle_ | is away: I'm busy |
| 22:57:41 | kyle_ | is back (gone 00:20:45) |
