| 04:12:43 | edwardam | is away: ZzZzZz |
| 11:37:50 | vorteX | hi all! |
| 11:38:06 | | dasher is at http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/Dasher |
| 11:38:06 | vorteX | ibot: dasher? |
| 11:45:41 | | vortex: wish i knew |
| 11:45:41 | vorteX | ibot: dasher binary? |
| 11:45:52 | | vortex: i haven't a clue |
| 11:45:52 | vorteX | ibot dasher download ? |
| 11:47:01 | Tangent | vorteX : There's insn't a linux binary for dasher around yet |
| 11:47:20 | vorteX | i see |
| 11:47:22 | Tangent | vorteX : I tried compiling it up a couple of days ago, but had problems with all the tcltk stuff it depends on... |
| 11:47:44 | vorteX | my ARM environment is not setup yet |
| 11:47:45 | Tangent | I got some way, but in the end... the last gcc line had a -ltcl in it that failed... |
| 11:47:55 | Tangent | I couldn't work out what was wrong with that... |
| 11:48:05 | Tangent | May arm enviromnent is intimate (obviously) |
| 11:48:09 | vorteX | i think dasher shows a _lot_ of promise though |
| 11:48:25 | Tangent | vorteX : Yeah.. it sure does look interesting... |
| 11:48:52 | vorteX | maybe i'll try it out on wince... :( |
| 11:48:52 | Tangent | vorteX : If you're looking for an ARM dev environment for familiar, you could always give intimate over NFS a try |
| 11:49:09 | vorteX | where would i nfs it from though ? |
| 11:49:16 | Tangent | Not sure how well it'd react to running without swap... but you should be able to get at lease some stuff going |
| 11:49:34 | Tangent | You have a desktop linux machine that can provide an NFS export? |
| 11:49:54 | vorteX | ye |
| 11:50:21 | vorteX | is there a howto for the environment on handhelds ? |
| 11:50:22 | Tangent | Set up an export on the host, and mount it on the iPAQ as /mnt/hda1 |
| 11:50:40 | Tangent | vorteX : There's howtos for the skiff cross compile chain... |
| 11:50:45 | | rumour has it cross compile docs is at http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT4800835123.html |
| 11:50:45 | Tangent | ibot cross compile docs |
| 11:50:59 | Tangent | Somewhere in the middle of that doc, they get onto cross compilation |
| 11:51:09 | vorteX | ok, thanks i will start with that |
| 11:58:35 | | rumour has it skiff is at http://handhelds.org/projects/skiffcluster.html |
| 11:58:35 | vorteX | ibot skiff? |
| 11:59:14 | Tangent | vorteX : Or of course, you can compile things on the skiff cluster |
| 11:59:21 | Tangent | :) |
| 11:59:42 | vorteX | i just need to find my feet first though... |
| 12:38:53 | | skiff is at http://handhelds.org/projects/skiffcluster.html |
| 12:38:53 | vorteX | ibot skiff? |
| 15:52:03 | chessy | is there a good chess game for familiar? I like Synctel PalmChess for WinCE... and when I "upgrade" :) to Linux, I'd like to continue playing chess with my iPAQ... |
| 16:41:24 | | a7r was last seen on #handhelds.org 7 hours, 59 minutes and 48 seconds ago, saying: and you can get a /128 from freenet6 in about 5 min.. they're also offering /48s from what I hear. [Sun Jun 17 09:41:35 2001] |
| 16:41:24 | jg | ibot: seen a7r? |
| 21:07:59 | bdkearns | does anyone else have gigantic fonts with the latest unstable feed xserver in portrait mode? |
| 21:08:18 | bdkearns | even bigger than they were before this update... |
| 23:04:25 | a7r | hey jg.. how's it going? |
| 23:04:31 | jg | OK. |
| 23:04:45 | jg | how goes things in CA? |
| 23:05:15 | jacques | hot |
| 23:05:30 | a7r | good.. playing the domestic, as my apartment looks like a plane carrying computer parts crashed into it. |
| 23:05:42 | a7r | jacques: yeah, it is a bit hot.. |
| 23:05:44 | jg | at what velocity? |
| 23:06:04 | a7r | slow enough not to destroy everything, fast enough to get good distribution. |
| 23:06:27 | a7r | I have like SBUS token ring cards and random assorted other shit lying around.. it's a joke. |
| 23:07:00 | jg | There is a modern invention, you know... |
| 23:07:07 | jg | It is called a trash can... |
| 23:07:14 | a7r | yeah yeah.. I'm working towards that. |
| 23:07:37 | a7r | I've got packrat mentality in my genes.. it's hard to break away from instinct. |
| 23:08:03 | jg | just ask yourself... What are you ever going to do with old sbus hardware? |
| 23:08:19 | a7r | yeah.. that's the technique I've been starting to use.. |
| 23:08:38 | a7r | I managed to actually throw away a broken SPARCstation 2 I've had for like 5 years. |
| 23:09:10 | Tangent | a7r: I got a working one here... switched off.. gathering dust... |
| 23:09:11 | jg | how goes familiar? |
| 23:09:32 | a7r | good.. I've got some crash reports on the new blackbox,.. I'm not sure what the deal is with that. |
| 23:09:59 | a7r | and I've got a new Python lined up.. I've got the on flash usage of base Python down to .22 megs.. I'm gonna try to make it smaller. |
| 23:10:16 | jg | Dunno, though I need to check if it leaks memory when restarting. |
| 23:11:18 | a7r | you have any clue if guido is going to be at Usenix? |
| 23:11:30 | jg | no. dunno. |
| 23:11:37 | a7r | cool, I'll mail him then. |
| 23:12:01 | jg | if he's coming, invite him to our hack session just before... |
| 23:12:10 | a7r | Okay, will do. |
| 23:12:32 | jg | when do you get to town? |
| 23:13:00 | a7r | I'm going to try to get in next sunday.. |
| 23:13:43 | jg | Ok. Drop in Monday. Carl and Keith get in Monday evening. |
| 23:13:44 | a7r | Radiohead is playing at the Santa Barbara bowl, so I'm going to try to get back to SB by Friday night,. |
| 23:13:49 | a7r | that's going to be interesting. :P |
| 23:14:22 | jg | Where do you live in CA? |
| 23:14:40 | a7r | Santa Barbara, about 90 miles north of LA, 360 south from SF. |
| 23:14:54 | jg | Usenix papers are thursday, Friday, Saturday this year... |
| 23:15:00 | a7r | yeah. :( |
| 23:15:15 | jg | I'll be in San Diego for the O'Reilly conference in July. |
| 23:15:32 | a7r | Ah, cool. Maybe I should come down for that. |
| 23:16:27 | jacques | jg: AFAYK has there been a fix/workaround for the rotation->screen blank fix put into the xfree CVS tree? |
| 23:17:04 | a7r | Hmm.. I didn't realize your, and keithp presentations were on Sat morning. |
| 23:17:06 | a7r | this sucks. |
| 23:19:51 | jacques | hmm |
| 23:24:45 | jacques | i guess that means 'no' |
| 23:25:09 | Tangent | Some people will go a long way to avoid a simple question ;0 |
| 23:25:17 | jacques | yep :-\ |
| 23:25:36 | jacques | "oops my network connection died - sorry" |
| 23:25:53 | a7r | hah, harsh. |
| 23:26:02 | Tangent | Yeah, right... More like ... saw the word fix... ran a mile :) |
| 23:26:03 | jacques | :-) |
| 23:26:19 | Tangent | Smart man :) |
| 23:28:08 | a7r | Gah. |
| 23:28:36 | a7r | Haha, WTF is Sun Country Air? |
| 23:28:39 | a7r | Anyone ever flown on them? |
| 23:30:02 | Tangent | a7r : Never even heard of them.. but then again.. unlikely that I would have really... |
| 23:30:25 | a7r | Yeah.. I'm gonna do carry on for this trip,. I think. |
| 23:30:47 | Tangent | a7r: Smart way to travel |
| 23:31:03 | Tangent | Laptop, underwear, credit card :) |
| 23:31:10 | a7r | pretty much. |
| 23:31:37 | a7r | I need to free up some cash for this trip. |
| 23:33:36 | a7r | 338 USD buys me roundtrip to Boston from LAX. |
| 23:34:04 | Tangent | Heck.. £252 buys me a round trip to Bboston from London |
| 23:34:26 | a7r | yeah.. but I'm booking this thing w/ a week's notice. |
| 23:34:27 | Tangent | or £3600 for business class |
| 23:34:38 | a7r | Hah |
| 23:34:51 | a7r | Business Class == Fuck You In The Ass. |
| 23:35:03 | Tangent | I could get on a flight tommorow.. but I get special privilleges for most flights... |
| 23:35:35 | Tangent | Company i work for does the computers for almost _all_ airlines |
| 23:35:40 | a7r | cool. |
| 23:35:52 | Tangent | They throw people off flights if they need to get an engineer on :) |
| 23:36:35 | Tangent | Shame I kinda quit that job now :) |
| 23:55:04 | Tangent | crashes out.. night all |
| 23:55:17 | nelson | 'nite. |